Abstract Wikipedia abstractwiki https://abstract.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abstract_Wikipedia:Main_page MediaWiki 1.46.0-wmf.24 first-letter Media Special Talk User User talk Abstract Wikipedia Abstract Wikipedia talk File File talk MediaWiki MediaWiki talk Template Template talk Help Help talk Category Category talk TimedText TimedText talk Module Module talk Translations Translations talk 4 6 6665 6571 2026-04-23T13:47:21Z Feeglgeef 36 /* Layout guidelines? */ Reply 6665 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Shortcut|[[Project:PC]]|[[Project:VP]]}} __NEWSECTIONLINK__ [[Category:Abstract Wikipedia administration|Project Chat]] This is the Abstract Wikipedia Project chat. This is where discussions on the project happen. Add your discussion below this line. More technical issues should go to [[Abstract Wikipedia:Report a technical problem]]. ==Discussions not working== I keep getting a type error whenever I try to create a new topic. Anybody else? [[ talk:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 18:05, 19 March 2026 (UTC) :I'm also experiencing the same error. [[User: Tenshi Hinanawi|Tenshi!]] ([[User talk: Tenshi Hinanawi|Talk page]]) 18:19, 19 March 2026 (UTC) :@[[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]], @[[User:Tenshi Hinanawi|Tenshi Hinanawi]]: Sorry about that; it was due to a production mis-configuration that I've worked around for now. Unfortunately the same bug also meant that the community's first Abstract articles were all mis-created into the <code>Abstract Wikipedia:</code> namespace, and I don't think we can move them into the proper positions right now, so they'll need to be re-created. Please reply here, on [[Abstract Wikipedia:Report a technical problem]], or file any issues you run into in Phabricator. [[User:Jdforrester (WMF)|Jdforrester (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Jdforrester (WMF)|talk]]) 18:34, 19 March 2026 (UTC) ::The new abstract table is breaking globalcontribs counter across all Wikis, [[:phab:T420632]] [[User:Shushugah|Shushugah]] ([[User talk:Shushugah|talk]]) 18:51, 19 March 2026 (UTC) == Horray! 🎉 == This is just a celebratory post acknowledging the milestone of getting this project started. Great work on the engineering team so far, now we can get some community creating content as well! [[User:Ainali|Ainali]] ([[User talk:Ainali|talk]]) 18:53, 19 March 2026 (UTC) :I want to contribute but I'm a bit lost with the function editor so I'll wait until some documentation is uploaded on the community page. [[User:Hathor1719|Hathor1719]] ([[User talk:Hathor1719|talk]]) 18:55, 19 March 2026 (UTC) :🎉🎉🎉! [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 18:56, 19 March 2026 (UTC) == Local help page == The Help page in the sidebar goes to [[mw:Help:Contents]]. We should change that to just [[Help:Contents]]. (But I guess for that we need a local admin as well.) [[User:Ainali|Ainali]] ([[User talk:Ainali|talk]]) 18:59, 19 March 2026 (UTC) :@[[User:Ainali|Ainali]], done. But the page [[Help:Contents]] needs to be written. [[User:Tanbiruzzaman|Tanbiruzzaman]] ([[User talk:Tanbiruzzaman|talk]]) 19:13, 19 March 2026 (UTC) ::Is there a caching thing, that it is still not working? We have [[MediaWiki:Helppage]], but the link in the sidebar still goes to Mediawiki for me. <span style="color:#EAA">♥</span>[[User:Ainali|Ainali]] <small>^{[[User talk:Ainali|diskussion]]}_{[[Special:Bidrag/Ainali|bidrag]]}</small> 07:36, 20 March 2026 (UTC) :::Try [https://abstract.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abstract_Wikipedia:Project_chat?action=purge purge]. [[User:Tanbiruzzaman|Tanbiruzzaman]] ([[User talk:Tanbiruzzaman|talk]]) 07:59, 20 March 2026 (UTC) ::::I tried purging, it doesn't help. Interestingly, if I change the interface language to English, I get the new link, but not when I use it in Swedish. A bug, or do we need to define this for each language? <span style="color:#EAA">♥</span>[[User:Ainali|Ainali]] <small>^{[[User talk:Ainali|diskussion]]}_{[[Special:Bidrag/Ainali|bidrag]]}</small> 12:48, 20 March 2026 (UTC) :::::couldn’t find the solution, I think it's because multilingual feature hasn’t enabled yet. [[User:Tanbiruzzaman|Tanbiruzzaman]] ([[User talk:Tanbiruzzaman|talk]]) 13:44, 20 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::Now it works, without any new purging. Weird (but good). <span style="color:#EAA">♥</span>[[User:Ainali|Ainali]] <small>^{[[User talk:Ainali|diskussion]]}_{[[Special:Bidrag/Ainali|bidrag]]}</small> 15:36, 20 March 2026 (UTC) == qqx doesn't seem to work == I switched my user interface language to Hebrew. I'm trying to [[Special:CreateAbstract/Q18383|create a page]]. There's a plus button under "lead paragraph (Q8776414)". It has several items that begin with "Add" and continue with English strings that are probably function names: "section title", "paragraph", "HTML unordered list", etc. I tried using uselang=qqx to see what functions those are, but then the editing interface is not loaded at all. I see a yellow box with this text: : (wikilambda-initialize-error) : (wikilambda-renderer-error-footer-project-chat) uselang=qqx works quite nicely in Wikifunctions and shows ZIDs of objects when their labels are used in the interface, but it seems to fail here. It would be quite nice to make it work. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 19:06, 19 March 2026 (UTC) == Visual editor on this page == The first time I posted something here on this page (using DiscussionTools), I noticed a mistake and wanted to fix it. I clicked "edit" near the section heading, and it started editing the whole page in Visual editor. If I recall correctly, the default on other wikis is that the edit button next to the section heading on discussion pages opens only that section and in the wikitext editor. It should probably be the same here. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 19:10, 19 March 2026 (UTC) :[[Abstract Wikipedia:Report a technical problem]] would be more appropriate. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 19:14, 19 March 2026 (UTC) == Temporary adminship == I'm requesting temporary adminship here (for 24 hours to a week) to help set up the wiki on the community side. As administrator on Wikifunctions, I designed the current layout of the main page (also used locally), among other things. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 19:16, 19 March 2026 (UTC) :{{ping|Feeglgeef}} while I agree that temporary adminship could be useful, both personally and as a steward, I'm not sure it's a good idea to grant this request. First of all, you didn't really say why you need admin rights (and your history, both on Wikifunctions and Meta, make me want to be extra cautious). In the meantime, stewards and global admins can also (and already do) help if needed, don't hesitate to ask. Cheers, [[User:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[User talk:VIGNERON|talk]]) 21:36, 19 March 2026 (UTC) ::Ah, right! Please update the main page as I've requested on its talk page, as well as delete the existing pages on the Abstract Wikipedia namespace with QIDs (they are now redundant), and add the correct license to [[MediaWiki:License]]. I have a few more things, but they're relatively minor. Consider the above request retracted. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 22:29, 19 March 2026 (UTC) :::{{reply to|VIGNERON}} ? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 15:50, 20 March 2026 (UTC) ::::{{reply to|Feeglgeef}} yes ? please [https://dontasktoask.com/ Don't ask to ask, just ask]. Cdlt, [[User:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[User talk:VIGNERON|talk]]) 16:28, 20 March 2026 (UTC) :::::{{ping|VIGNERON}} I wanted you to do the things I asked in the above reply (which you ignored :(. ). The main page is fixed and the license is fine (not complete, but alas), but any page following the pattern "Abstract Wikipedia:Q[n]" should be deleted. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 17:57, 20 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::{{reply to|Feeglgeef}} I did the deletion this morning, did I miss any pages? Cheers, [[User:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[User talk:VIGNERON|talk]]) 18:00, 20 March 2026 (UTC) == Templates - per usual or as abstract content? == I was about to import a few templates that can come in handy in discussions and other meta-related activities but then realized that it may be a great use case for abstract content. Or will it not be possible to do it in that way on this wiki (or at all)? [[User:Ainali|Ainali]] ([[User talk:Ainali|talk]]) 19:28, 19 March 2026 (UTC) :Calling functions here is currently possible, but some templates are impossible to replace and functions are inconvenient in any case. It'd be helpful if you said which templates you intended to import, but generally I'd say import them. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 19:33, 19 March 2026 (UTC) ::I think what I wonder most is if we always should do multilingual templates with the traditional <code><nowiki><translate></nowiki></code> tags or use functions wherever we can. [[User:Ainali|Ainali]] ([[User talk:Ainali|talk]]) 19:42, 19 March 2026 (UTC) :::The problem with "functions wherever we can" is that most template-like functions are content based, like abbr or 0. I'm assuming you mean templates that are more about meta stuff, which probably should '''not''' be functions, at least under the current idea. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 19:46, 19 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Yes, I was only thinking about meta stuff. Where can I read about this idea you are referring to? It seems important enough that it should be part of [[Abstract Wikipedia:Scope|this project's scope]] (or similar page/policy). [[User:Ainali|Ainali]] ([[User talk:Ainali|talk]]) 19:52, 19 March 2026 (UTC) :::::It's not written down, I suppose. I didn't mean there was a rule against creating the functions, (feel free, if you'd like). The main problem with putting them on Wikifunctions is speed and the fact that you must use HTML fragments (no wikitext), which to me makes it unreasonable. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 19:56, 19 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::That's a fair point of view. The reason I asked was that it would be an excellent way of [[d:Q3033752|Q3033752]] (note to self, we need the functionality of [[d:Template:Q]]). If we get used here to not falling back into wikitext, we get more training at creating excellent abstract content. [[User:Ainali|Ainali]] ([[User talk:Ainali|talk]]) 20:03, 19 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::I haven’t tried an embedded function on an AW Project page, so I suppose I should… if you’ll forgive me! :::::::{{#function:Z32878|Q2013|}} [[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 14:37, 30 March 2026 (UTC) == Articles now creatable properly == Hello all! To those not on the telegram (or not following), articles are now able to be created in the correct way. Any articles you have previously made will need to be recreated. I'd courtesy ping those who have already created one but it seems we don't have that set up yet! [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 22:31, 19 March 2026 (UTC) == Testing from a different language == I have set the UI to Spanish and there are some menus not translated (Create an article in the sidebar, for example). Where can I translate the content I see missing? Also, I tried to create a very simple abstract article on the environment ([[Q43619]]) and it fails to render (Wikifunctions returned a failed response: Alcanzado el límite de tiempo en el Orquestador): I also found a random, decently big one ([[Q408]]) and it keeps loading for five minutes already in Spanish. Finally, if this is going to be with the purpose of multi lingual edition, shouldn't help and talk pages like these be also automatically translated? Because otherwise it becomes just an output of information, an editor who isn't familiar with English would be able to read the Abstract Wikipedia in their language but unable to provide feedback (as I'm doing now). [[User:Hathor1719|Hathor1719]] ([[User talk:Hathor1719|talk]]) 06:56, 20 March 2026 (UTC) :I am not sure that we want "automatic" translation. But regular translation, I truly agree that we should have. There is a Phabricator created to enable the Translate extension on this wiki ([[Phab:T420656]]). <span style="color:#EAA">♥</span>[[User:Ainali|Ainali]] <small>^{[[User talk:Ainali|diskussion]]}_{[[Special:Bidrag/Ainali|bidrag]]}</small> 07:42, 20 March 2026 (UTC) ::Yes at least the ability to translate user messages, so that I for example could read the messages in this page in Spanish and reply in Spanish, and the rest of users translate them to their local languages. Otherwise cross-lingual collaborative effort isn't going to work unless everyone has a decent level of English as a second language. Thank you for the link! [[User:Hathor1719|Hathor1719]] ([[User talk:Hathor1719|talk]]) 08:42, 20 March 2026 (UTC) :: ::I would greatly appreciate automatic per-comment translation (the way Discourse implements it), and hope we find a way to implement that for the truly multilingual sites like this. In the wiki spirit, the outputs of the automatic translation should be savable and editable so that a) the computation of auto-translation only happens once into each target language and b) everyone can improve each of those translations. [[User:Sj|Sj]] ([[User talk:Sj|talk]]) 21:23, 22 March 2026 (UTC) == Using Function IDs == It seems like when creating an article you cannot insert a function ID (i.e. Z6839) in a function call's function field and you have to type in it's name and hope it pops up (which it seems as though it doesn't always). [[User:VivianIsBee|VivianIsBee]] ([[User talk:VivianIsBee|talk]]) 13:13, 20 March 2026 (UTC) == Not showing functions that return strings where an HTML fragment is needed == It might be good to adjust the search function inside the abstract wikipedia editor to show functions that return strings as grayed-out where an HTML fragment is needed, as it took me a while to realize that [https://www.wikifunctions.org/view/en/Z24102 label of item reference in specific/general lang] returns a string and not an HTML fragment, meaning that it doesn't show up when searching. [[User:VivianIsBee|VivianIsBee]] ([[User talk:VivianIsBee|talk]]) 13:30, 20 March 2026 (UTC) == Cannot find Lorrain in the language list == Hi, I wanted to try generating an article in lorrain ([[d:Q671198]]), but it does not appear in the selection list. Where can I ask for it to be added, so that I can try experimenting with it? Thanks! [[User:Poslovitch|Poslovitch]] ([[User talk:Poslovitch|talk]]) 19:48, 20 March 2026 (UTC) :I'm not certain, but I know it's a bit of a process that I think begins on Wikidata. Even if it were added, there would be no support for it in community-made functions, so for the foreseeable future this will be impossible. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 19:54, 20 March 2026 (UTC) ::There are already plenty of lexemes in lorrain on Wikidata. [[User:Poslovitch|Poslovitch]] ([[User talk:Poslovitch|talk]]) 20:38, 20 March 2026 (UTC) :::Can you point me to them? [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-17446-79|&#126;2026-17446-79]] ([[User talk:&#126;2026-17446-79|talk]]) 22:04, 20 March 2026 (UTC) ::::https://w.wiki/FiVz [[User:Poslovitch|Poslovitch]] ([[User talk:Poslovitch|talk]]) 06:12, 21 March 2026 (UTC) :I see no reason for not adding this to our list of languages, after all we already have plenty of languages, including dialects like [[f:Z1640]]. {{ping|Poslovitch}} does this mean you are volunteering to create wikifunctions in lorrain 🤣 Cheers, [[User:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[User talk:VIGNERON|talk]]) 09:50, 21 March 2026 (UTC) ::@[[User:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] Of course! I suppose this means the fonctions will need to support the many ways to write in lorrain, since it is not standardized. Do you have any examples of functions that support such things? [[User:Poslovitch|Poslovitch]] ([[User talk:Poslovitch|talk]]) 09:54, 21 March 2026 (UTC) :::I tried creating a "Natural language" object on Wikifunctions, but it seems I don't have permission to do this. &lt;rant&gt;Why is it always so hard with languages that have no ISO codes :sob: &lt;/rant&gt; [[User:Poslovitch|Poslovitch]] ([[User talk:Poslovitch|talk]]) 13:32, 21 March 2026 (UTC) ::::You wouldn’t be able to create a Natural language object even if you did have an ISO code to hand. Could you raise a ticket on Phabricator, tagged with [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/tag/abstract_wikipedia_team/ Abstract Wikipedia team]? [[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 14:54, 21 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Thanks @[[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]], will do! [[User:Poslovitch|Poslovitch]] ([[User talk:Poslovitch|talk]]) 14:56, 21 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Raised: [[phab:T420823]]. [[User:Poslovitch|Poslovitch]] ([[User talk:Poslovitch|talk]]) 15:09, 21 March 2026 (UTC) == Project namespace alias == On all other Wikipedias, "WP" is an alias of the Project namespace. Why isn't it here? There's also "Abstract", but that's too long for my liking. [[User:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|<span class="skin-invert" style="color:black;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:110%;font-weight:normal;line-height:normal">NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh</span>]] 21:48, 20 March 2026 (UTC) :Noting that this has been discussed multiple times on the telegram. I would prefer AWP, but it doesn't really matter. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-17446-79|&#126;2026-17446-79]] ([[User talk:&#126;2026-17446-79|talk]]) 22:02, 20 March 2026 (UTC) :well it’s not like another language version of Wikipedia, and there're still confusion if it’s a sister project or else. [[User:Tanbiruzzaman|Tanbiruzzaman]] ([[User talk:Tanbiruzzaman|talk]]) 22:09, 20 March 2026 (UTC) ::{{ping|Tanbiruzzaman}} It is listed as a Wikipedia on [[Special:SiteMatrix]]. The domain and database ID says so as well. [[User:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|<span class="skin-invert" style="color:black;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:110%;font-weight:normal;line-height:normal">NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh</span>]] 22:13, 20 March 2026 (UTC) :::It was an initial process to connect wikidata, but will be configured later, per [[phab:T420420]] (also check comments in [[phab:T420643]]). [[User:Tanbiruzzaman|Tanbiruzzaman]] ([[User talk:Tanbiruzzaman|talk]]) 22:32, 20 March 2026 (UTC) :On a similar note, is there a reason why [[Main Page]] is a redlink? Feels useful to redirect it to [[Abstract Wikipedia:Main page]]. //[[User:SHB2000|SHB2000]] ([[User talk:SHB2000|talk]]) 07:33, 25 March 2026 (UTC) ::redirect from mainspace is not possible here, I guess. You may give a try. [[User:Tanbiruzzaman|Tanbiruzzaman]] ([[User talk:Tanbiruzzaman|talk]]) 07:39, 25 March 2026 (UTC) :::Fair enough I guess. --[[User:SHB2000|SHB2000]] ([[User talk:SHB2000|talk]]) 07:41, 25 March 2026 (UTC) ::::I can do it if I'm an admin. This project has no local admins or bureaucrats. [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 23:42, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::I tried to create it and it shows "The provided title 'Main_Page' is not valid for an Abstract Article.", also tried to change the content model to wikitext and shows the same error. Note that I also have the similar technical rights as admin. @[[User:Koavf|Koavf]], is there another way you'd try if you're an administrator? [[User:Tanbiruzzaman|Tanbiruzzaman]] ([[User talk:Tanbiruzzaman|talk]]) 03:44, 27 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::Import from another project's "[[Main Page]]". I did this at [[:d:Main Page]] (but the community decided to delete it, which I did). [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 03:47, 27 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::We do not have [[:f:Main Page]] either and I do not see why it would be needed here. --[[User:Ameisenigel|Ameisenigel]] ([[User talk:Ameisenigel|talk]]) 23:06, 27 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::I can easily imagine the scenario where there are incoming links to it. [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 23:58, 27 March 2026 (UTC) ::@[[User:SHB2000|SHB2000]]: Because the main namespace is not meant to have anything other than abstract articles in it, the same as for Wikifunctions and Wikidata. [[User:Jdforrester (WMF)|Jdforrester (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Jdforrester (WMF)|talk]]) 18:22, 27 March 2026 (UTC) :I checked the [[Special:NamespaceInfo|namespace information]] to see if there were any aliases for the Project namespace and I saw that Abstract: was an alias. Would that conflict with the interwiki prefix abstract:? [[User:ChaoticVermillion|<span style="color: orangered">Chaotic</span><span style="color: crimson">Vermillion</span>]] ([[User talk:ChaoticVermillion|converse]], [[Special:Contributions/ChaoticVermillion|contribs]]) 23:07, 28 March 2026 (UTC) == Making it easier to contribute == I'm aware that we're only a few days into the public beta of this project, and everything is a little rough around the edges, but I thought it could be useful to come up with some goals to work towards in order to make the site more accommodating and easier to contribute to, for newer and more experienced editors alike. (If there's a place where this discussion is already taking place please tell me and I can move there). Here are some thoughts I had so far: * Most of the current articles are extremely short, just one or two sentences long. I think it would be good to pick one article in each of a few main categories (e.g. one country, one type of food, one notable person, etc.) and work to try to include as much relevant information as possible, to serve as an example for future articles of similar types. * As I understand it, a lot of the limitations for what kind of information we can include in an article is due to which functions exist on Wikifunctions. We have [[Abstract Wikipedia:Useful functions for article composition]], which is a good way to find some functions, but this list can't include every single function, so it would be good to have some way to find relevant functions on Wikifunctions. Is there a category containing AWP-related functions there? I'm not too familiar with Wikifunctions yet but if there is a category, we should link it there. * In a similar vein, it seems like there are very few such functions currently available. It would be good to have some kind of guide as to how to create such functions that can be used here. I tried creating a new function there yesterday and it took me a while to find my way around, and I still haven't figured it out completely, so a guide specifically for people wanting to improve Abstract Wikipedia could be useful. * Lastly it might be worth coming up with a list of policies and guidelines that we want to make to begin with. Currently there are none, and obviously it's quite time consuming to create new policies, but coming up with a set of basic ones would be helpful I think. Let me know your thoughts. Cheers, &#123;&#123;[[User:GearsDatapacks|GearsDatapacks]]&#124;[[User talk:GearsDatapacks|talk]]&#124;[[Special:Contributions/GearsDatapacks|contribs]]&#125;&#125; 19:52, 21 March 2026 (UTC) :Just had a closer look at Wikifunctions; seems [[f:Wikifunctions:Catalogue/Natural language operations/Global language functions]] might be a good place to link to. &#123;&#123;[[User:GearsDatapacks|GearsDatapacks]]&#124;[[User talk:GearsDatapacks|talk]]&#124;[[Special:Contributions/GearsDatapacks|contribs]]&#125;&#125; 20:00, 21 March 2026 (UTC) ::I support the goal of making it easier to contribute. From my point of view a place where people can write example sentences in specific languages about specific facts and can request a function for it will be useful. So far I it is difficult for me to understand how it is possible to define content in a abstract way and convert it into texts in different natural languages. It seems to me like it requires to much available data at functions and Wikidata Lexemes what is not there for many small languages so far. So I prefer a monolingual approach based on Wikidata statements. Then people can write sentences what explain a specific Wikidata statement or multiple ones and this can be done for many languages. [[User:Hogü-456|Hogü-456]] ([[User talk:Hogü-456|talk]]) 20:49, 21 March 2026 (UTC) :I do agree that creating these linguistic functions would be easier if we had a guide, though it's not exactly a cut and paste process (it requires a lot of thinking to figure out edge cases, whether your use case makes sense across languages, what will be included in the scope of your function, what will not be, what the utility will be, etc.). An example of thinking this out poorly is [[f:Z31405]], where it's painfullyy clear that the Abstract Wikipedia team didn't think these questions through well enough, where the description says that they couldn't even decide whether the function would output a phrase or a noun, there is little to no utility in composing articles, and the edge cases are insurmountable with their current approach. :It's not exactly the same, but I've noted on the telegram that we should make it easier to make new language versions of existing functions. Unlike object labels, however, that requires either programming experience or a very in-depth tutorial, which we do not have. The lack of language-versions is natural if you think about it (if 1% of the world can make a Wikifunctions function and 1% can translate the concepts effectively between the languages we want, 0.01% can help us here), so the tutorial route seems like the only logical method. Spreading awareness as to contributing this way on the main page could also be helpful [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 00:35, 22 March 2026 (UTC) ::Yeah, some kind of tutorial would be phenomenal. There could be some walk-through tutorials for creating some basic linguistic functions. That seems to be the bottleneck to progress here - practically all sentences follow the format "X is Y". ::I've been looking forward to Abstract for awhile now (finding out it released yesterday, a bit too late), but it's completely unapproachable - it feels like I need a master's degree in both Computer Science and Linguistics in order to contribute to the growth of this project. It's a new project, sure, but it took at least an hour to write two sentences in [[Q711|Q711 (Mongolia)]]. Doesn't help that I only speak English. [[User:EatingCarBatteries|EatingCarBatteries]] ([[User talk:EatingCarBatteries|talk]]) 05:41, 27 March 2026 (UTC) :I suggest a bot that extract useful information and statistics including which functions are used. [[github:dpriskorn/wf-dump-scripts|See my prototype pipeline]]. [[User:So9q|So9q]] ([[User talk:So9q|talk]]) 06:26, 31 March 2026 (UTC) == Involving small language versions == As Abstract Wikipedia can help small Wikipedia language versions offering more content in this language I think it is important to try to get people from such projects involved. From my point of view the highest chance to get it done is if people who know people contributing to small language version talk to the contributors and invite them to contribute to Abstract Wikipedia. In Wikifunctions I expected more involvement of small language versions and I think it is important to make it easier to contribute and find a way how to communicate with people who do not speak English. As it is not the case everyone can speak this language. What do you think how is it possible to get more people from small Wikipedia language versions involved in Abstract Wikipedia and Wikifunctions. [[User:Hogü-456|Hogü-456]] ([[User talk:Hogü-456|talk]]) 20:55, 21 March 2026 (UTC) : I am interested in using AW/WF with the [[incubator:]], perhaps a workflow could be developed for that. — [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 18:52, 22 March 2026 (UTC) :: Have you tried to call Wikifunctions functions in the Incubatorwiki. I think adding language specific implementatations is the first step. It seems to me like simple sentences can be generated through calling Wikifunctions functions and so for this no Abstract Wikipedia is required. — [[User:Hogü-456|Hogü-456]] ([[User talk:Hogü-456|talk]]) 20:38, 22 March 2026 (UTC) ::: I'll try it. [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 06:02, 23 March 2026 (UTC) == URL-Parameter for specific language == Is it possible to call an abstract Wikipedia article with a URL-Parameter specifying the language. I looked for random pages and I got examples without a german Implementation. I am interested in sharing an example and for this I want to set a link people can klick on to get the result in the expected language afterwards. [[User:Hogü-456|Hogü-456]] ([[User talk:Hogü-456|talk]]) 20:43, 22 March 2026 (UTC) :You can add "?uselang=de" to render the article in German, if that is what you mean. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 22:41, 22 March 2026 (UTC) :@[[User:Hogü-456|Hogü-456]]: Yes, like with Wikifunctions you should be able to go to <code>/view/fr/Q123456</code> but that's waiting for some production re-configuration to work. [[User:Jdforrester (WMF)|Jdforrester (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Jdforrester (WMF)|talk]]) 13:12, 23 March 2026 (UTC) ::Great 🤩 [[User:So9q|So9q]] ([[User talk:So9q|talk]]) 06:28, 31 March 2026 (UTC) == Purpose of language-specific functions? == Some functions that produce sentences seem to have language-specific functions for every language, I.e. "Brazilian Sign Language: article-less defining". Why is this? What functions have this multiplicity? I thought one point of AWP was to have language-independend functions, all of which have specifications for how they would render outputs in different languages (where the choice of output language is decided at the client, or at the final step of rendering, not for each function in turn). [[User:Sj|Sj]] ([[User talk:Sj|talk]]) 21:23, 22 March 2026 (UTC) :This is just a side effect of how Wikifunctions works. Essentially the generic "Article-less defining fragment" checks which language you want, and then calls the language-specific version. You should only use the generic ones in abstract articles. &#123;&#123;[[User:GearsDatapacks|GearsDatapacks]]&#124;[[User talk:GearsDatapacks|talk]]&#124;[[Special:Contributions/GearsDatapacks|contribs]]&#125;&#125; 21:50, 22 March 2026 (UTC) ::Aha thanks, then the interface should probably not be showing the hundreds of language-specific ones in the selector drop-down for editors. [[User:Sj|Sj]] ([[User talk:Sj|talk]]) 18:55, 23 March 2026 (UTC) :::Agreed, although I'm not sure how easy it would be to filter them out; there's not really anything distinguishing them from the general functions, they're both functions that take some input and return monolingual text as output. Maybe worth opening a phabricator ticket to get the opinion of people on the technical side of Abstract Wikipedia. &#123;&#123;[[User:GearsDatapacks|GearsDatapacks]]&#124;[[User talk:GearsDatapacks|talk]]&#124;[[Special:Contributions/GearsDatapacks|contribs]]&#125;&#125; 19:39, 23 March 2026 (UTC) ::::I think the best way to do it would be to have some sort of tag for "multilingual function"? [[User:Infernostars|Infernostars]] ([[User talk:Infernostars|talk]]) 21:43, 25 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Yes. I think this reveals that there are (at least) two kinds of functions on Wikifunctions. Those that are (mainly) helper functions (although they may be useful for external reuse or in abstract articles about a language) and Abstract-ready functions. Having a way to mark them as such on Wikidata, and then by default filter on Wikifunctions would increase usability a lot. <span style="color:#EAA">♥</span>[[User:Ainali|Ainali]] <small>^{[[User talk:Ainali|discussion]]}_{[[Special:Contributions/Ainali|contributions]]}</small> 08:22, 28 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::I agree that we need to be able to reduce the noise when finding functions. ::::::I also agree that it would be very valuable to create function categories and be able to filter when searching. ::::::I also agree that defaulting on AW to "top-level" functions is a good idea. ::::::@ainali what do y mean mark them in Wikidata? Functions are not notable there if I understood correctly. [[User:So9q|So9q]] ([[User talk:So9q|talk]]) 06:33, 31 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::@[[User:So9q|So9q]] Oh, it's my mistake, mind wandering while writing. Instead of "on Wikidata" I meant "in metadata". <span style="color:#EAA">♥</span>[[User:Ainali|Ainali]] <small>^{[[User talk:Ainali|discussion]]}_{[[Special:Contributions/Ainali|contributions]]}</small> 15:48, 31 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::Oh, ok, I agree. My prototype to extract statistics could be used to find sll top level html functions. ::::::::We could limit it to functions over a certain number to not count the built in functions. ::::::::We could do quite a lot of work with the data to help people gaps. E.g. most used functions in AW missing support for Swedish for example. 😀 [[User:So9q|So9q]] ([[User talk:So9q|talk]]) 20:17, 31 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::::The prototype script used to generate https://www.wikifunctions.org/wiki/Wikifunctions:Statistics/Z8 could rather easily be forked and adapted to AW 😀 [[User:So9q|So9q]] ([[User talk:So9q|talk]]) 06:45, 1 April 2026 (UTC) == "It" in abstract wikipedia == How should the concept of "it" be represented in abstract wikipedia? Otherwise it leads to a lot of sentences like "Brussels is the capital of Belgium. Brussels is a large city. Brussels is...". Also, is there any plans for some form of easier to understand "authoring language" or something? The current approach with writing wikifunctions is hard to understand and write. [[User:VivianIsBee|VivianIsBee]] ([[User talk:VivianIsBee|talk]]) 19:35, 23 March 2026 (UTC) :Every concept is represented in Abstract Wikipedia through its Wikidata item, which would be [[d:Q6091500]] in this case. I'm not exactly sure what you mean by an "authoring language" (some sample texts of your idea would be helpful), but I don't think there's much improvement to be had while still writing in an abstract language (that is to say, most improvements would make the language more concrete). [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 20:18, 23 March 2026 (UTC) ::I mean more like a format easier to work with than wikifunctions. Like some form of computer-parsable conlang which can be "compiled" into wikifunctions. [[User:VivianIsBee|VivianIsBee]] ([[User talk:VivianIsBee|talk]]) 20:47, 23 March 2026 (UTC) :This is a tough problem, because the pronoun you would use is semantically different in different languages. I think we have to make a "refer to previously-mentioned" function that takes a Wikidata item, reads properties like person or object, (linguistic) gender, etc, and spits out a pronoun. Hopefully it can be done that simply. [[User:Snowmanonahoe|Snowmanonahoe]] ([[User talk:Snowmanonahoe|talk]]) 18:41, 25 March 2026 (UTC) ::Yeah that would make sense. I can try to draft one for English (that's the only language I know at least for now) so we can get a proof of concept. [[User:VivianIsBee|VivianIsBee]] ([[User talk:VivianIsBee|talk]]) 18:48, 25 March 2026 (UTC) ::Ooh. I could be wrong but I think wikidata doesn't have a property for "grammatical gender". For English I'll probably match on P21 and if it's an instance of Q5, and if it doesn't have P21 and is an instance of Q5 do they/them, if not an instance of Q5 and doesn't have P21 it/its, and otherwise match on P21. Also we'll need multiple "refer to" functions for different types of pronouns (possessive, nominative, etc). [[User:VivianIsBee|VivianIsBee]] ([[User talk:VivianIsBee|talk]]) 18:57, 25 March 2026 (UTC) :::About the grammatical gender property: yeah, you're probably right. That's the tough part, because we're going to need individual properties for every language with grammatical gender. See the similar discussion about classifier/measure words and articles below. [[User:Snowmanonahoe|Snowmanonahoe]] ([[User talk:Snowmanonahoe|talk]]) 19:06, 25 March 2026 (UTC) ::@[[User:VivianIsBee|VivianIsBee]] We do have [[:d:Property:P5185]], but this is applied only to lexemes and not to items. [[User:Mahir256|Mahir256]] ([[User talk:Mahir256|talk]]) 20:49, 25 March 2026 (UTC) == Supported languages for an article == Is there a possiblity to see all languages an article can be displayed in. I looked at [[Q2290517]] and it seems like there is not yet a German version for this article. From my point of view knowing what articles are missing in the language of interest is important for working on abstract articles. As I looked at random pages I got a timeout as my user interface is in German and the generation of the article in German was not sucessful. So I think it is also necessary for checking if the article can be displayed in the user interface language. [[User:Hogü-456|Hogü-456]] ([[User talk:Hogü-456|talk]]) 21:17, 24 March 2026 (UTC) :This is not something that is convenient to check at all. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 21:55, 24 March 2026 (UTC) ::It would be great if it were clearer which was the first (or all, if possible) function that failed to render in a language to help the user go make necessary additions on Wikifunctions. <span style="color:#EAA">♥</span>[[User:Ainali|Ainali]] <small>^{[[User talk:Ainali|discussion]]}_{[[Special:Contributions/Ainali|contributions]]}</small> 08:24, 28 March 2026 (UTC) :::I agree, I recently wrote the team and suggested a clear backtrace so the user can see an overview of the chain of functions and steps in which step failed in which function. :::I'm imagining something like the GitHub actions job pipeline overview, where you can easily see the process and the output from the failing step. [[User:So9q|So9q]] ([[User talk:So9q|talk]]) 06:41, 31 March 2026 (UTC) == [[f:Z26039|Z26039]] and [[f:Z26095|Z26095]] == This is a big mistake, and it's best we fix it now. Anything relating to particular languages or even groups of languages needs to stay all the way out of the generic functions. Languages have different rules for articles, some of them don't even have articles. This kind of thing cannot be reconciled at the general function-level. As to the alternate way we deal with this, that's a little tougher. My first thought is a bunch of Wikidata properties that tell you whether an article precedes an entity's label in a particular language. That idea could work, but there are some obvious problems: *Are there languages where the presence of an article is contextual, too? *No one will fill these properties, especially in languages other than English, because we will accumulate dozens of them that have to go on every single word ever [[User:Snowmanonahoe|Snowmanonahoe]] ([[User talk:Snowmanonahoe|talk]]) 13:23, 25 March 2026 (UTC) :Can you give me an example of a language where this distinction actively prevents the functions from working? Some languages do not have articles, but that just means that the two are interchangeable. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 13:26, 25 March 2026 (UTC) ::Trivially. ::*[[w:Golf|Golf]] on enwiki: "Golf is a club-and-ball sport in which players use various clubs to hit a ball into a series of holes on a course in as few strokes as possible." ::*[[w:es:Golf|Golf]] on eswiki: "El golf es un deporte cuyo objetivo es introducir una bola en los hoyos que están distribuidos en el campo con el menor número de golpes, utilizando para cada tipo de golpe uno de entre un conjunto de palos ligeramente diferentes entre sí, ya que la cabeza del palo tiene ángulos distintos, al igual que las varillas tienen longitudes diferentes." ::[[User:Snowmanonahoe|Snowmanonahoe]] ([[User talk:Snowmanonahoe|talk]]) 13:34, 25 March 2026 (UTC) :::That's not a meaningful difference, though, and both examples use Z26039. Z26039 and Z26095 have different semantic meanings, they aren't stylistic choices. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 16:01, 25 March 2026 (UTC) ::::<em>Stylistic choice?</em> Is this a joke? Do you think the word "the" in English is a stylistic choice? [[User:Snowmanonahoe|Snowmanonahoe]] ([[User talk:Snowmanonahoe|talk]]) 16:19, 25 March 2026 (UTC) :::::I mean, yes? If you can be understood perfectly without it that's what it is. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 16:21, 25 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::You just said "Z26039 and Z26095 have different semantic meanings". [[User:Snowmanonahoe|Snowmanonahoe]] ([[User talk:Snowmanonahoe|talk]]) 16:27, 25 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Yes. "The" has no semantic meaning, but there is a semantic difference between "A bird is a dinosaur" and "Bird is a dinosaur" (The latter is about a specific animal names Bird). [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 21:06, 25 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::It does though, no? See Wiktionary's second example: ::::::::: ''You live on Main Street, don't you? You know, you should tell the mayor '''the''' street needs cleaning.'' ::::::::Generally it's used to refer to a singular identifiable instance (there's more definitions, but this is the primary one), which I think is definitely enough to put it outside of "no semantic meaning". [[User:Infernostars|Infernostars]] ([[User talk:Infernostars|talk]]) 21:18, 25 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::::I can understand it perfectly fine if you remove "the", though. The fact that the thing can be obviously identified with "the" means that it can be obviously identified without it. It's convenient, though. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 21:21, 25 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::::The solution you're proposing to the problem at hand is pretty much "completely abandon grammatical articles in every language except English". You're right that it's not the end of the world, but we should at least try to solve the problem first. [[User:Snowmanonahoe|Snowmanonahoe]] ([[User talk:Snowmanonahoe|talk]]) 21:26, 25 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::No. That's definitely ''not'' what I'm saying. I'm disputing your insinuation that something is wrong with our current approach. We can solve any stylistic problems on a language by language basis, and semantic problems in the abstract content. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 22:09, 25 March 2026 (UTC) :By the way, even a single generic function for "X is a Y" is already too much, it neglects [[w:measure word|measure word]]s in Chinese, Japanese, and Korean. [[User:Snowmanonahoe|Snowmanonahoe]] ([[User talk:Snowmanonahoe|talk]]) 13:39, 25 March 2026 (UTC) ::Oh god... measure words. How the fuck do we deal with measure words? ::Have a look at the article for [[w:Chinese classifiers|Chinese classifiers]]. I have no idea how to deal with these. [[User:Snowmanonahoe|Snowmanonahoe]] ([[User talk:Snowmanonahoe|talk]]) 14:58, 25 March 2026 (UTC) :::I would presume Wikidata has those available to find? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 16:09, 25 March 2026 (UTC) ::::No, I just checked and Wikidata doesn't have a property for this yet. We would need to do a decent amount of workshopping to define such a property well for the proposal there (it wouldn't just be "Chinese classifier for"; I think something like "Chinese count-classifier for"? The count-classifiers that simply disappear in Germanic languages are the real concern, as the mass-classifiers can generally be paired with the noun to translate into an English word) but I think it could work barring some edge cases. ::::My main concern is if fundamentally we want to solve these sorts of problems this way. If so, we're going to be asking Wikidata to make hundreds if not thousands of properties over the coming months. Is that the best way to do this? I'm wondering if anyone has a better idea. [[User:Snowmanonahoe|Snowmanonahoe]] ([[User talk:Snowmanonahoe|talk]]) 18:15, 25 March 2026 (UTC) :::::And... is it going to <em>work?</em> How many Wikidata items only have a label in one or two languages as-is? This is only going to exacerbate that problem by quadrupling the work to translate a word, and putting us basically at square one. [[User:Snowmanonahoe|Snowmanonahoe]] ([[User talk:Snowmanonahoe|talk]]) 18:27, 25 March 2026 (UTC) ::::@[[User:Snowmanonahoe|Snowmanonahoe]] There is [[:d:Property:P5978]] which can be used to say that a particular lexeme sense is used with a specific classifier (not just in Mandarin but also in languages like Malay), as well as [[:d:Property:P10927]] which can indicate the reverse relation (but for parsimony's sake should point to more general classes rather than to every applicable sense in existence). [[User:Mahir256|Mahir256]] ([[User talk:Mahir256|talk]]) 20:53, 25 March 2026 (UTC) :::::@[[User:Mahir256|Mahir256]]: Thank you, I didn't know about Wikidata's work on lexemes. This seems a lot more doable now. Question: is there any way to move from an item to a lexeme, e.g. if I had [[d:Q81727]] and I wanted [[d:L:L3965]]? [[User:Snowmanonahoe|Snowmanonahoe]] ([[User talk:Snowmanonahoe|talk]]) 20:58, 25 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::@[[User:Snowmanonahoe|Snowmanonahoe]] re: your first sentence, I suspect that most people with questions here are clueless about lexemes (something the Abstract Wikipedia team made a grave mistake in not properly having addressed before this launch). In general links go from lexeme senses to items and not the other way around, [[:d:Wikidata:Lexicographical_data/Documentation/Senses#Properties_regarding_relationships_to_Wikidata_items|with several properties available to do so]], and while there is a Wikifunction to go from an item to a lexeme, I cannot endorse the current method of composing abstract articles (<small>see my reply under "Authoring Language" below</small>) enough to mention what Wikifunction that is. [[User:Mahir256|Mahir256]] ([[User talk:Mahir256|talk]]) 21:11, 25 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::The function being referred to by Mahir is [[f:Z6830]]. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 21:25, 25 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::It would be helpful if you read a bit about the project before insisting that we're doing it wrong. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18667-44|&#126;2026-18667-44]] ([[User talk:&#126;2026-18667-44|talk]]) 22:11, 25 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Could you elaborate? [[User:Snowmanonahoe|Snowmanonahoe]] ([[User talk:Snowmanonahoe|talk]]) 22:15, 25 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::You don't even know about Lexemes, much less the complexities of the project. You come into the project chat without the slightest sliver of a clue and then tell everyone that they are "making a big mistake." Perhaps next time you could phrase it like "What is the distinction between these two functions? Does this not present concerns about XYZ?" [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18688-73|&#126;2026-18688-73]] ([[User talk:&#126;2026-18688-73|talk]]) 02:09, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::::I'd be happy to hear why I'm wrong. [[User:Snowmanonahoe|Snowmanonahoe]] ([[User talk:Snowmanonahoe|talk]]) 02:18, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :Is it just me or does 26039 only return void? [[User:MetalBreaksAndBends|MetalBreaksAndBends]] ([[User talk:MetalBreaksAndBends|talk]]) 18:31, 25 March 2026 (UTC) ::Does for me, too, the English version anyway. [[User:Snowmanonahoe|Snowmanonahoe]] ([[User talk:Snowmanonahoe|talk]]) 18:42, 25 March 2026 (UTC) :::If my debugging is right, everything except Russian, Ukrainian, and Belarusian is completely broken. [[User:MetalBreaksAndBends|MetalBreaksAndBends]] ([[User talk:MetalBreaksAndBends|talk]]) 18:44, 25 March 2026 (UTC) ::::For me, English renders fine now [perhaps due to a recent edit? hard to be sure]. Not sure if it's entirely fixed though. [[User:Infernostars|Infernostars]] ([[User talk:Infernostars|talk]]) 21:08, 25 March 2026 (UTC) :I agree there is a problem with the current approach. My proposed solution: I'm hoping the top level call from Abstract Wikipedia will be optionally allowed to send parameters like the grammatical number "plural" of the subject, which could be considered by the specific language alongside other context about the subject/object item to formulate the grammar (e.g. [[f:Z32496]]), and by the time it gets to the English constructor (e.g. [[f:Z32410]]), the English function will have the "subject is plural" boolean set (to decide "has"/"have" as well as the articles). I'm working on this particular example and all the required helper functions. If the English version works, I'll seek to make a configuration that allows similar in other languages. PS off topic, but I also think we will often want these functions to return HTML not monolingual text, so that we can embed hyperlinks. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 02:37, 26 March 2026 (UTC) ::HTML is ideal because you don't need to convert it. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 13:16, 26 March 2026 (UTC) ::I’m not sure we want to favour particular features; don’t we simply want to determine the relevant set of lexemes for an item/language pairing? We don’t have selective fetch for lexemes, so the set may need to be limited, but identifying the more salient lexemes still requires considering the full set, unless we filter by “lexical similarity” between the item’s labels and/or aliases and the lexeme’s lemma and/or forms. [[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 13:58, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::I don't quite understand what you are objecting to, or what problem you forsee. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 00:22, 27 March 2026 (UTC) ::::I’m not objecting to anything, although the notion of “sending” is a little alien in a functional context. The problem is knowing which features (predicates) are most salient. I guess it’s simply an optimisation, so further relevant details can be fetched later if the context requires them. But I’d still think in terms of filtered statement sets, and perhaps different filters per language. If we’re going to be language specific, it’s natural to consider extending the selective fetch to include sense-related lexemes. [[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 11:26, 27 March 2026 (UTC) == Authoring Language == Wikifunctions are kind of a pain to work with directly (no offense to the creators of them, they're an amazing platform and overall very impressive, just kind of by their nature they are built to be more abstract and closer to lambda calculus over "regular" programming languages), and that extends to Abstract Wikipedia. Has it been thought about making a sort of "authoring language" that is easier to work with than directly using Wikifunctions, but then "compiles" directly to Wikifunctions? My idea is sort of making a computer-parsable, natural language-agnostic conlang or even just some sort of custom markup language that could optionally be used to write abwiki articles and then would be stored along with the compiled wikifunctions and a timestamp of last compile so if an update was made then previous articles could be recompiled automatically. I'm of course not one of the abwiki staff members, so if this doesn't fit the "spirit" of it or something let me know, but I think it'd be helpful. [[User:VivianIsBee|VivianIsBee]] ([[User talk:VivianIsBee|talk]]) 19:14, 25 March 2026 (UTC) :I proposed adding support for Spreadsheetfunctions to Wikifunctions. It is better than defining a new language. From my point of view there are in relation to other programming languages many people who can write spreadsheet functions and they are translated into many different natural languages. In the past I did some experiments regarding the automatical conversion of Spreadsheet functions into the programming language R. I am interested in defining an Abstract Article in an Spreadsheet and I think it is possible. It is from my point of view important to lower the barrer to create an Abstract Article and creating functions in Wikifunctions. Maybe the goal of making it abstract makes it more complicated and language specific functions are easier to create for many people. [[User:Hogü-456|Hogü-456]] ([[User talk:Hogü-456|talk]]) 20:25, 25 March 2026 (UTC) :@[[User:VivianIsBee|VivianIsBee]] I have presented to the Abstract Wikipedia team about an abstract content authoring language [[f:Wikifunctions:Status updates/2024-10-17|multiple]] [https://elemwala.toolforge.org/static/nlgsig-nov2025.html times]. It is unfortunate that the current infrastructure does not seek to support this yet. [[User:Mahir256|Mahir256]] ([[User talk:Mahir256|talk]]) 20:49, 25 March 2026 (UTC) == Definite articles == Heya! Been working on the page [[Q778]] [and thus the [https://www.wikifunctions.org/view/en/Z26570 Z26570] function] - is there a way to check if a word needs a definite article [i.e. the] or not? Right now it's "''The Bahamas is an island country in Caribbean.''" which is close but needs a definite article [before Caribbean]. But I can't just always add it, since cases like "''Lubeck is a city in the Germany.''" would be wrong. Is there any solution for this yet? [[User:Infernostars|Infernostars]] ([[User talk:Infernostars|talk]]) 21:06, 25 March 2026 (UTC) :IIRC this has been discussed on the telegram/IRC. Not sure if a solution was found. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 21:23, 25 March 2026 (UTC) :@[[User:99of9|99of9]] is working on this: [[:f:Z32645]] [[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 14:02, 26 March 2026 (UTC) ::hmm, tried adding this to [[f:Z30397]], but it makes it return an empty string for some reason? presumably i'm doing something wrong but not sure what... :( [faulty implementation at [[f:Z32738]]] [[User:Infernostars|Infernostars]] ([[User talk:Infernostars|talk]]) 19:55, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::The reason was that the argument to Z32645 is a Wikidata item reference, not a Wikidata item. I've fixed it now. But I switched it so that it only adds the definite article when the Kleenean is absolutely True, more than Maybe. I hope I will be able to achieve that for Caribbean, although it doesn't currently do so. I'll keep working on it today. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 00:20, 27 March 2026 (UTC) == Editing the direct code of pages == I find the current GUI editor to be quite clunky and harder for more complex topics. I'm assuming there is some way that I can edit the code of pages, so I can more quickly write functions without clicking through GUIs. Like I heavily doubt someone wrote [[Q15433043]] by clicking through GUIs. Also, does anyone know of a function that concats two strings with a space in between? Would I just use [[wikifunctions:Z21394|Z21394]], adding a space between two calls to objects (i.e. "Mars" + " " + "Jupiter")? [[User:EatingCarBatteries|EatingCarBatteries]] ([[User talk:EatingCarBatteries|talk]]) 20:19, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :For [[Q15433043]], it looks like they just wrote it in plain English and didn't use functions, so that's why it's so long I think. For joining, [[f:Z22504]] looks like a pretty good option. [[User:Infernostars|Infernostars]] ([[User talk:Infernostars|talk]]) 20:40, 26 March 2026 (UTC) ::Thanks, that looks good. I hope more languages support it down the road. [[User:EatingCarBatteries|EatingCarBatteries]] ([[User talk:EatingCarBatteries|talk]]) 20:45, 26 March 2026 (UTC) ::When I try to insert this in a [[wikifunctions:Z28016|"defining role sentence"]], it doesn't appear and throws an error. Do you know why? [[User:EatingCarBatteries|EatingCarBatteries]] ([[User talk:EatingCarBatteries|talk]]) 20:51, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :There are several, but I think they are best left to language-specific functions on Wikifunctions. How do you know that a space is required? [[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 20:42, 26 March 2026 (UTC) ::For example, in [[Q711|Mongolia]], I would like to write "Ulaanbaatar is the capital and largest city of Mongolia". As of now, I would have to write that in two separate sentences and be very repetitive. [[User:EatingCarBatteries|EatingCarBatteries]] ([[User talk:EatingCarBatteries|talk]]) 20:46, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::There’s a long journey ahead of us. At this stage I’d be thinking more in terms of [[f:Z32163]]. At least that way we can join adjacent sentences more naturally, when we have appropriate functions to do that. And we can implement “paragraph” differently according to the target language, without having to change the existing abstract content. [[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 21:07, 26 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Yeah that's what I expected, the project has just started after all. Thanks for this. ::::How are you finding these functions? I'm having trouble locating them. Also, is there a way that I can copy and paste functions from one article to another in the case of cookie-cutter articles? [[User:EatingCarBatteries|EatingCarBatteries]] ([[User talk:EatingCarBatteries|talk]]) 21:45, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::You can copy individual function calls in edit mode. Just click on the three vertical dots and select Copy to clipboard. This is currently specific to a particular browser and site, so you cannot copy between Wikifunctions and AW. You can also copy parts of calls by clicking on the three horizontal dots [[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 22:26, 26 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::Great, I didn't see that, thank you! So there is no current way to edit the underlying code of the page? [[User:EatingCarBatteries|EatingCarBatteries]] ([[User talk:EatingCarBatteries|talk]]) 22:35, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::It depends what you mean by “underlying code”. All articles are a list of one or more sections containing function calls. You can add and remove sections (apart from the first) and move sections up and down. Within a section, you can move function calls up and down, but you can only move a function call (or part of one) from one section to another by using the clipboard. The real underlying code is the functions themselves, and these can be amended on Wikifunctions. [[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 22:44, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::For tips on finding functions, please see [[:f:Wikifunctions:Find]]. It is also helpful to look at other AW articles, of course. On Wikifunctions, you can look at a related function’s implementations or test cases, as these may reference broader or narrower functions. And “What links here” is available from the Tools menu. [[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 22:38, 26 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::Thank you very much for you help. I think that's all I need to know for now, happy editing :) [[User:EatingCarBatteries|EatingCarBatteries]] ([[User talk:EatingCarBatteries|talk]]) 23:07, 26 March 2026 (UTC) == Code editing == I created and am attempting to edit [[Q687168]]. It is difficult to figure out what is going on because I am stuck at a visual editor. I would like to play around with comparing it to code on other pages, but the visual thing makes that pretty difficult. Also is there a way to edit things in a sandbox or something so I can experiment without it being in mainspace? [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 23:25, 27 March 2026 (UTC) :Code-based (as in, the underlying form articles are stored in, which was temporarily visible due to a bug when the wiki was just being set up) editing is currently not possible, and I'm not sure if the development team has any plan to implement it (cc {{ping|Jdforrester (WMF)}}). As for your issue, you should not be using a literal string, but a function call instead, which allows you to use one of the functions on Wikifunctions (how to pictured). Though the project is in its early days, a general guide on creating articles is available at [[Help:How to create an article]] with links to other helpful pages. As for sandboxes, you can subscribe to the [[phab:T421417| task on Phabricator]] if you have an account there. [[File:Set literal string to function call guide, Abstract Wikipedia.png|thumb|How to convert to function call]] [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 00:40, 28 March 2026 (UTC) ::Well I really hope that they implement code editing because wikidata is okay since it only has properties. But these functions are just too much. I feel like I should be able to relatively easily take code from one article and put it on another one. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 02:58, 28 March 2026 (UTC) :::You can use the copying feature! If you click the 3 dots next to a function call you get an option to copy, which you can then paste elsewhere using the same 3 dots. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 03:06, 28 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Thank you. I do not think that this is the best alternative, but it is better [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 18:50, 28 March 2026 (UTC) == Put this on ice == How are non-English speakers (who this project is specifically for) meant to develop this wiki's practices and policies if a) all project pages are only available in English, and discussion is largely done in English, and b) there's no attempt to get non-en.wiki communities onboard. At present this looks like it's just going to produce Anglocentric/Eurocentric content, which belies the whole point of having a wiki in one's native language. Yes it's early days and everyone is experimenting and bug-fixing, but the project has already been released to community control, with a predominantly English-speaking/European community. This needs to be put on ice until it can be launched properly with multilingual support and invitations to all wikis, particularly smaller ones. [[User:Kowal2701|Kowal2701]] ([[User talk:Kowal2701|talk]]) 11:44, 28 March 2026 (UTC) :Just because it's not perfect doesn't mean it needs to be shut down. These are all gradual processes. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 15:58, 28 March 2026 (UTC) ::There’s being "not perfect" where things can be improved at a later date, and then there's having antithetical foundations. Also see [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(WMF)#c-Warudo-20260327114000-Warudo-20260327113600] re functions. [[User:Kowal2701|Kowal2701]] ([[User talk:Kowal2701|talk]]) 16:15, 28 March 2026 (UTC) :::You haven't named a single thing that can't be improved at a later date. We're hoping to be able to translate project pages. Non-enwiki communities can be gotten on board later. Function generation already works multilingually in many cases, and those where it does not can be improved. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 16:57, 28 March 2026 (UTC) ::::When the practices and policies will have already been developed, and informal positions of authority already filled. [[User:Kowal2701|Kowal2701]] ([[User talk:Kowal2701|talk]]) 17:04, 28 March 2026 (UTC) :::::@[[User:Kowal2701|Kowal2701]] Thank you for your concerns. We are already aiming at less-served communities through specific calls to action to create more language functions and abstract content in their language. Just give the time to actually see these changes happen. Cheers, [[User:Sannita (WMF)|Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 18:55, 28 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::Hi Sannita, I'm just wondering how are AW project pages planned to be translated in the future? Is there going to be use of some kind of automated tool such as DeepL or Google Translate, or will it be a custom-designed system? [[User:EatingCarBatteries|EatingCarBatteries]] ([[User talk:EatingCarBatteries|talk]]) 20:39, 28 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::@[[User:EatingCarBatteries|EatingCarBatteries]] We will enable the Translate extension soon, so everyone will be able to translate project pages into their own languages. Sorry for keeping you waiting on this. [[User:Sannita (WMF)|Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 10:41, 29 March 2026 (UTC) :@[[User:Kowal2701|Kowal2701]]: thank you for your concern and suggestion. When this Beta started, we have immediately [[:f:Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-03-19|mentioned that there might be the possibility of restarting the project]]. So that might indeed happen. :But so far, this early start of the not fully polished project allows us to learn so incredibly much. In the last few days we have learned so much more than we would have been able without the launch in months! And it helps us to focus on where to put our limited resources, so that we can make the overall project better quicker than would have been possible otherwise. From that perspective, this has been quite a success. :I am trying to understand your suggestion: what do you think would need to be in place before a possible relaunch? Which requirements would need to be met? --[[User:DVrandecic (WMF)|DVrandecic (WMF)]] ([[User talk:DVrandecic (WMF)|talk]]) 13:53, 29 March 2026 (UTC) ::Thank you, I wasn't aware of that. Some uninformed thoughts below. ::Re communication: ideally people would communicate using functions, and there'd be some kind of visual editor where people type in their native language and it gets translated into functions, but I realise that's a pipe dream. Something that allows people who don't have a mutual language to communicate is imo necessary, maybe there could be a tool that machine translates comments. Machine translation ''sucks'', but so long as people get the gist of what is being said, that'd be better than nothing. I dread to think what disputes would be like though. ::Re invitations, idk what has already been done, but I would've thought now would the time to get some people from smaller wikis editing and experimenting, just an invitation on a wiki's main noticeboard would probably do the trick (is there a [[meta:MassMessage]] service for updates re Abstract wiki that could be recommended?). Then a central or watchlist notice for the actual launch, hopefully by which time there'd already be a small group of editors able to assist the influx of newbies. An intuitive tutorial is also necessary, as well as an intuitive version of [[f:Wikifunctions:Catalogue]]. [[User:Kowal2701|Kowal2701]] ([[User talk:Kowal2701|talk]]) 18:14, 29 March 2026 (UTC) :::What do you think about boilerplate templates. So writing a sentence and then marking the parts of the sentence what can be derived from Wikidataitems or the lexeme linked to it. This seems to me like an realistic approach for making it easier to contribute. I am happy you wrote about the predominantly English-speaking/European community involved in this project. It seems like it is different to contribute so far and I had the expectation people from small language versions come on their own and contribute also if they dont speak English. So far it seems to be not the case and I hope it will be easier to contribute. I think for the beginning the goal of Abstract Wikipedia should be generating sentences based on data. So supporting small language versions should be not the goal of the first phase as it seems to take some time and improvements of the structures to make it easier to contribute. Sharing the work and offering people help with creating an function for an specific sentence can be a important way of getting more content in Abstract Wikipedia. Maybe it is unrealistic to find a huge number of people who are interested in writing functions who generate text. [[User:Hogü-456|Hogü-456]] ([[User talk:Hogü-456|talk]]) 20:58, 29 March 2026 (UTC) :::[[Abstract Wikipedia:Useful functions for article composition]] is already available, as is [[Help:How to create an article]], but they are not perfect. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 22:05, 29 March 2026 (UTC) :Wikidata has a project chat in many languages. We can do that in the future. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 14:28, 16 April 2026 (UTC) ::Anyone can write on this page in any language. Personally, I’d prefer to see the original and get it translated into English rather than trying to make sense of a poor machine translation without even knowing which language the original was in. For the same reason, I would generally reply in English. [[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 23:18, 16 April 2026 (UTC) == Gendered languages == I've created [[Q79097672]], an article for a woman singer. In gendered languages however, it defaults to using masculine words. An example: in Portuguese, it reads "Arlo Parks é um cantor", when it should be "Arlo Parks é uma cantora". Is there any fix to this? [[User:Skyshifter|Skyshifter]] ([[User talk:Skyshifter|talk]]) 23:49, 28 March 2026 (UTC) :Yes. But each language is handled separately. I think Italian is doing it. German was started but got stuck… it should be working here soon. [[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 00:48, 29 March 2026 (UTC) ::Italian is not doing it. It is just a happy coincidence that for some reason "cantante" is always treated as feminine (I have to investigate why). [[User:Dv103|Dv103]] ([[User talk:Dv103|talk]]) 19:59, 7 April 2026 (UTC) == Why don't we just structure this with wikitemplates? == I feel like the project could be done a lot better by using templates kind of like how wikipedia does them. Just the entire thing is templates that can be rendered in many languages. So like [[Q106289265]] would have the content \{\{Z26039|Q7257\}\}\ and could even have some aliasing done across languages so it could be \{\{subject is|Q7257\}\}\. Code would be editable with a regular visual editor or code editor. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 04:34, 29 March 2026 (UTC) :This is available in pages when Parsoid rendering is enabled. We don't use this becuase it doesn't make sense for constructing and editing massive articles. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 21:37, 29 March 2026 (UTC) ::How do you do parsoid rendering? And why wouldn't it make sense? With aliases and everything could work great. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 23:12, 29 March 2026 (UTC) :::I believe it is enabled by default. If you do have it on: {{#function:Z10000|you'll s|ee this}} [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 14:54, 30 March 2026 (UTC) == Automatically querying wikidata == Is it possible in the future for this project to have things that automatically query wikidata? Like an infobox that gives people's spouses, or a function that queries a specific property on wikidata [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 20:10, 29 March 2026 (UTC) :Yes, that is the long term goal. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 21:37, 29 March 2026 (UTC) ::What’s “long term” about it? We already have functions that query specific properties on Wikidata, [[f:Z32431]] being a simple example. A list of spouses seems like a fairly simple function too, although there might be performance issues if there are a lot of spouses. [[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 22:01, 31 March 2026 (UTC) :I had exactly this question. One of the example here is [[Q1033]] where I read "Nigeria is the most populous country in Africa.". The problem is that this concept is hard-coded. What if its population will decrease and it will become the second-most populous country? [[User:Wiso|Wiso]] ([[User talk:Wiso|talk]]) 08:21, 20 April 2026 (UTC) == Searching for other namespaces in the search bar == Something that has always irked me with Wikidata, Wikifunctions, and now Abstract Wiki is that there are no search suggestions when you are searching in other namespaces in the search bar. For example, if I were to type "Abstract Wikipedia:", nothing shows up. Whereas on enwiki, you can do this just fine. Is this because these sites are using a more "modified" version of MediaWiki? [[User:EatingCarBatteries|EatingCarBatteries]] ([[User talk:EatingCarBatteries|talk]]) 04:38, 30 March 2026 (UTC) :I also find this very annoying. I'm not sure if there's anything that can be done about it or if it is a result of technical limitations ({{ping|Jdforrester (WMF)}}?). [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 04:41, 30 March 2026 (UTC) ::@[[User:EatingCarBatteries|EatingCarBatteries]], @[[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]]: The search interface indeed is designed to only search the Wikidata concepts that would take up the main namespace. This is conceptually the same as the search on Wikidata.org. We'd welcome Phabricator tasks for ideas on how to additionally provide wikitext community page search, though implementing that might not be a priority. [[User:Jdforrester (WMF)|Jdforrester (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Jdforrester (WMF)|talk]]) 12:11, 30 March 2026 (UTC) :::Hint: don’t use the Search bar… :::When it is empty, click the adjacent Search button. This takes you to the Search page. :::Type the namespace with final colon. You are prompted with available pages and the prompt is refined as you type. :::Click a page title in the suggestions or click Search for a full search in the entered namespace. :::A search with just a namespace will return no results. A search with a partial identifier will work only [[Special:Search/Talk:Q1*|with an appended asterisk]] (delete the asterisk to see page suggestions). [[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 13:11, 30 March 2026 (UTC) == List articles == I am interested in creating list articles ([[:de:Liste_der_Naturdenkmale_im_Bezirk_Mitte|like this one]]). But I have no idea what it needs and how to start. [[User:GPSLeo|GPSLeo]] ([[User talk:GPSLeo|talk]]) 19:58, 30 March 2026 (UTC) :An example I've created that you can copy and adapt is [[Q11750]]. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 01:27, 3 April 2026 (UTC) == Logo == In vector2009 and monobook, the logo shows as the standard enwiki logo. Which is confusing as this is technically a whole other sisterproject. I suggest [[:File:Wikipedia-logo-blank.svg|this]] be used as a temporary logo for these skins. [[User:Kinopiko|Kinopiko]] ([[User talk:Kinopiko|talk]]) 06:00, 31 March 2026 (UTC) :There's also the scalable favicon, [[commons:File:Abstract-Wikipedia-favicon.svg|Abstract-Wikipedia-favicon.svg]] [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 01:54, 3 April 2026 (UTC) :This still appears to be as of yet unfixed. I understand this wiki is still very early in its lifespan so I'm not particularly miffed about it, it looking identical due to the logo is rather confusing at first but with separation with tab groups in my browser it becomes manageable. I am personally excited to see what logo(s) will be devised for this project; seeing the same thing happen for the other sister projects has been very fun to watch in the past. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 21:49, 20 April 2026 (UTC) == Extra spaces between sentences == There should be no spaces between two sentences of Chinese and Japanese. —[[User:内存溢出的猫|内存溢出的猫]] ([[User talk:内存溢出的猫|talk]]) 12:38, 2 April 2026 (UTC) :I'm not sure how we plan to handle this. I'll bring it up on the Telegram/IRC. This applies to Korean too, yes? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 01:28, 3 April 2026 (UTC) {{tracked|T}} :Please link to the corresponding Phabricator ticket when it’s raised. (Or I will, when I raise it). I think the technical issue is that the space is inserted between function calls. There may be two, but HTML reduces their appearance to one, which is one too many for certain languages. [[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 08:58, 3 April 2026 (UTC) ::No, your sentences should not be individual fragments. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 02:40, 11 April 2026 (UTC) == community curation of abstract articles of the week/month/etc. == [[wikifunctions:wikifunctions talk:status updates/2026-03-26#Move Status Updates to Abstract Wikipedia?|this thread]] at WF mentions that WMF staff are refraining from content decisions at Abstract Wikipedia; so I thought that it might be a good idea to figure out if and how there will be editathons here focussed on a selection of articles. — [[user:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[user talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 20:38, 2 April 2026 (UTC) : I would support this. — [[user:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[user talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 01:29, 3 April 2026 (UTC) : now I notice [[abstract:featured article]] in the same category as the project chat, so there's a location for a related concept already! (coming at it the other direction: recognizing already good articles versus barnraising that quality) — [[user:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[user talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 01:48, 3 April 2026 (UTC) ::I think it will be quite a while before we can support a “good” article, let a “featured” one. At this stage, I’d settle for “technically interesting”, to include “of archaeological interest” (like the first use of a particular function or function-call pattern). [[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 08:51, 3 April 2026 (UTC) :::one goal could be to make stubs and grow them for the basic concepts underlying Abstract Wikipedia, in an attempt to self-document. [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 02:45, 7 April 2026 (UTC) == JSON format == The JSON format for Wikifunctions is described at [[:f:Wikifunctions:Function model]]. Is there such a documentation page for Abstract Wikipedia? [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 15:19, 2 April 2026 (UTC) :I imagine that it would be identical? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 02:39, 11 April 2026 (UTC) ::No, they aren't. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 02:50, 11 April 2026 (UTC) :::Oh, I see, you're talking about the underlying text format? That isn't and (from what I've gathered, though {{ping|Jdforrester (WMF)}} didn't respond last time I pinged him) will never be editable by users. The function model where the calls are actually made is identical to Wikifunctions. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 15:36, 11 April 2026 (UTC) ::::I'm not asking whether it's editable. I'm asking whether there is a page that documents what it is. ::::The JSON of the function calls is perhaps the same as Wikifunctions compositions, but there are also other things there, which are not the same as Wikifunctions. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 22:40, 11 April 2026 (UTC) :::::I'm saying that I'm not sure why you'd ''need'' or ''want'' to understand it if you can't edit it and it doesn't impact the user experience in any way. Is there a specific problem that you are running into? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 00:28, 12 April 2026 (UTC) ::::::I'm a very curious person. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 01:19, 12 April 2026 (UTC) :This is an example JSON of an Abstract Wikipedia article, with only the [[f:Z801|Echo function]], if you're curious: { "qid": "Q27318", "sections": { "Q8776414": { "index": 0, "fragments": [ "Z89", { "Z1K1": "Z7", "Z7K1": "Z801" } ] } } }. :The base has two key value pairs, "qid" and "sections". "sections" currently only contains one key-value pair as of now, [[d:Q8776414]], aka lead section. "fragments" is where the Wikifunctions compositions are stored. I have no idea what "index" is. [[User:ChaoticVermillion|<span style="color: orangered">Chaotic</span><span style="color: crimson">Vermillion</span>]] ([[User talk:ChaoticVermillion|converse]], [[Special:Contributions/ChaoticVermillion|contribs]]) 02:35, 12 April 2026 (UTC) ::Yes, that's what I see. I can make educated guesses about those things, but if possible, I'd prefer to read an official reference documentation page. The one about Wikifunctions is fairly good. The one about Abstracts Wikipedia doesn't seem to exist. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 03:25, 12 April 2026 (UTC) :::I think the reason there's no documentation is that it's merely a curiosity, whereas the mainspace of the wiki is barely functional right now. Perhaps we'll get one later, or whenever/if ever we get the ability to edit it? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 19:09, 12 April 2026 (UTC) ::Just to clarify (?), index is 0! I believe it can only be 0 at present, at least through the user interface, and I imagine [[:phab:T411699|this ticket]] is to allow a non-zero index to be set and modified (so long as it is positive and, in all likelihood, sequential). [[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 14:00, 12 April 2026 (UTC) :Not yet. I think such a page on Abstract Wikipedia would be for the community to create and maintain. I don’t know how [[:phab:maniphest/graph/411686|these things]] are decided upon, but I don’t see a task that would cover technical documentation of any kind. :The development team will no doubt respond with enthusiasm to any questions from the community on matters of technical detail, but I’d be inclined to let such interactions be led by the needs of on-wiki documentation, rather than a proliferation of Phabricator tasks and Project-chat topics. :Shall we ask once on [[Abstract Wikipedia talk:Frequently Asked Questions]] and see which questions should count among the frequently-asked? [[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 13:37, 12 April 2026 (UTC) ::@[[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]], this is quite definitely something that the extension developers are supposed to create and maintain. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 20:32, 12 April 2026 (UTC) :::Not as content on this wiki, was my point. Here, I suggest, we should reference any relevant technical documentation from whichever pages we, as a community, choose to create for such a purpose. [[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 23:06, 12 April 2026 (UTC) ::::I don't care very much where it is. I'd just like to read it. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 23:25, 12 April 2026 (UTC) :@[[User:Amire80|Amire80]]: The Wikifunctions function model is documented (alongside its two JSON forms) because we anticipate people would (and should) build tools using it directly. Conversely, the vague expectation ("plan" would be too strong at this point) for Abstract Wikipedia, on the other hand, is that we'll provide APIs to interact with the content, but its serialisation will change over time as features are added to better support the Abstract Wikipedia community's wishes. :For a concrete example (''not a commitment!'') of how the serialisation might change, whilst the system kept working as before, we might in the future add a top-level concept for an abstract article's infobox, which would be shown, edited, and stored apart from the rest of the article's sections, and used differently downstream. [[User:Jdforrester (WMF)|Jdforrester (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Jdforrester (WMF)|talk]]) 19:27, 12 April 2026 (UTC) == Bot request == {{Tracked|T421151}} Can someone smarter than me please create a bot that connects local items to Wikidata equivalents? Right now, we are growing and there are [[Special:UnconnectedPages|hundreds of unconnected pages]] here that are just 1:1 main namespace entries that have identical names at [[:d:]]. I have connected several of these, but this seems like a very inefficient and silly thing to do manually. Can someone help here by making a bot that checks [[Special:UnconnectedPages]] regularly or even [[Special:NewPages]] and connects pages? [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 06:17, 3 April 2026 (UTC) :This doesn't sound like something that should be a bot, but like something more automatic and built-in. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 11:27, 3 April 2026 (UTC) ::@[[User:Amire80|Amire80]] and [[User:Koavf|Koavf]]: Would a bot be a good idea in the interim period before that can be added to the software? [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 14:31, 3 April 2026 (UTC) :::Yes, please. Granted, Amir, doing it automatically would be nice, but that feature doesn't exist. Until then, a bot would be very helpful and seems like it would be very difficult to cause problems. [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 14:57, 3 April 2026 (UTC) ::::@[[User:Amire80|Amire80]] and [[User:Koavf|Koavf]]: I've written some code for this purpose [[gitlab:toolforge-repos/jjpmaster-bot-wd-t1|here]]. <code>Retrospective.py</code> is meant to be run once, and would connect all existing pages (once the trial run is over). <code>Prospective.py</code> would run once daily and connect any pages that have been created since the previous day. That is, until the Phabricator ticket is resolved, obviously. [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 21:42, 3 April 2026 (UTC) :::::Boss. I'm so glad that you're smarter than me. [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 03:25, 4 April 2026 (UTC) :::::{{ping|JJPMaster}} You might want to use <syntaxhighlight lang="python" inline>{ 'action': 'query', 'list': 'querypage', 'qppage': 'UnconnectedPages' }</syntaxhighlight> instead. That way, you won't have to maintain two scripts. [[User:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|<span class="skin-invert" style="color:black;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:110%;font-weight:normal;line-height:normal">NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh</span>]] 03:58, 4 April 2026 (UTC) ::::::@[[User:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh]]: This is [[gitlab:toolforge-repos/jjpmaster-bot-wd-t1/-/commit/415688aa6f9e1dcbafa21a8b3249899c07f298e9|done]]. [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 05:01, 4 April 2026 (UTC) :::::::{{ping|JJPMaster}} One more problem: You seem to be linking non-mainspace pages as well. Don't forget to check <syntaxhighlight lang="python" inline>page['ns']</syntaxhighlight>. Also, why <syntaxhighlight lang="python" inline>if(i > 2): break</syntaxhighlight>? [[User:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|<span class="skin-invert" style="color:black;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:110%;font-weight:normal;line-height:normal">NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh</span>]] 05:27, 4 April 2026 (UTC) ::::::::@[[User:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh]]: The <code>if not qid.startswith("Q")</code> bit was supposed to address the namespace problem. The break statement is for the trial of the bot. The integer in the if statement will change once the request is made. [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 17:04, 4 April 2026 (UTC) :::::::::{{ping|JJPMaster}} [[Special:UnconnectedPages]] results are ordered by namespace, so checking for <syntaxhighlight lang="python" inline>page['ns']</syntaxhighlight> will also help prevent unnecessary iterations. [[User:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|<span class="skin-invert" style="color:black;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:110%;font-weight:normal;line-height:normal">NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh</span>]] 19:54, 4 April 2026 (UTC) :::@[[User:Amire80|Amire80]], [[User:Koavf|Koavf]], and [[User:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh]]: Is a Wikidata BRFA in order at this time? [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 05:03, 4 April 2026 (UTC) ::::{{ping|JJPMaster}} Go ahead, please. [[User:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|<span class="skin-invert" style="color:black;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:110%;font-weight:normal;line-height:normal">NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh</span>]] 05:25, 4 April 2026 (UTC) :::::See [[d:Wikidata:Requests for permissions/Bot/JJPMaster (bot)]]. [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 18:00, 4 April 2026 (UTC) == Wikifunctions & Abstract Wikipedia Newsletter #242 is out: Request for Discussion: Syntactic tables == There is [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-04-02|a new update]] for Abstract Wikipedia and Wikifunctions. Please, come and read it! In this issue, we introduce a proposal for Natural Language Generation, we introduce a page for function suggestions from Abstract Wikipedia, we inform you that there will be a presentation about Abstract Wikipedia at WikiCon Australia, and we take a look at the latest software developments. Want to catch up with the previous updates? Check [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates|our archive]]! Also, we remind you that if you have questions or ideas to discuss, the next '''Volunteers' Corner''' will be held on '''[https://zonestamp.toolforge.org/1776101400 April 13, at 17:30 UTC]''' ([https://meet.google.com/xuy-njxh-rkw link to the meeting]). Enjoy the reading! -- [[User:Sannita (WMF)|User:Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 13:37, 3 April 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Sannita (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Wikifunctions_%26_Abstract_Wikipedia&oldid=30325620 --> == Way to specify population == Hi! I was wondering if there was a function to specify the population of a place, possibly resembling the following: :N X live in Y. N would be the population size, X would be what comprises the population (e.g., humans, frogs, etc.), and Y would be the location. [[User:Babelball|Babelball]] ([[User talk:Babelball|talk]]) 15:43, 3 April 2026 (UTC) :I don't believe we do. Thinking about it now, we should probably have a page where users can request linguistic functions in a more viable format than [[f:WF:Suggest a function]]. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 02:39, 11 April 2026 (UTC) == The problem of when "X is a Y" and Y is a phrase == Consider [[Q486972]], whose second sentence is supposed to be "A human settlement is a populated place," generated using the "Article-ful instantiating fragment" function. However, it fails, because the implementation [[f:Z23414|Z23414]] inherently checks for a lexeme linked to the superclass ("[[D:Q123964505|populated place]]"). However, since "populated place" is a phrase whose meaning is reducible to the sum of its parts, there is no lexeme for it. Therefore, it's virtually impossible to say "An X is a Y" where Y is a non-idiomatic phrase. Additionally, languages with grammatical gender are rendered particularly problematic. Consider [[Q6636]]. The first sentence of this article renders perfectly fine in English: "Homosexuality is a sexual orientation." However, it does not render at all in Spanish. That's because that language's NLG functions use lexicographic data to determine the gender of the phrase "sexual orientation." As there are no such data available for that phrase, it errors out. I did think about using [[f:Z29743|Z29743]] (description of class with adjective and superclass) instead, but that didn't work, since there's no item linked to the adjective "sexual"! Any ideas for how to avoid this? [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 00:21, 4 April 2026 (UTC) :We'd the co-operation of Wikidata contributors here, I think. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 02:37, 11 April 2026 (UTC) == I made a desktop app that helps with editing == [[file:Abstract Wikipedia Editor v4.1.0.png|thumb|alt=screenshot|now there's a screenshot available]] I made a desktop app that helps with creating and editing Abstract Wikipedia pages. It pulls data from wikidata to form templates that it makes into wikitext, and it can round-trip articles into and from the wikitext. Here it is [[User:Immanuelle/Abstract Wikipedia Editor]]. I hope that it helps with editing. — [[user:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[user talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 00:51, 6 April 2026 (UTC) : I've created [[Abstract Wikipedia:Tools]] for tracking these things. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 14:44, 7 April 2026 (UTC) : @[[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] But the main namespace is not for wikitext. Are you publishing this content there anyway? <span style="color:#EAA">♥</span>[[User:Ainali|Ainali]] <small>^{[[User talk:Ainali|discussion]]}_{[[Special:Contributions/Ainali|contributions]]}</small> 15:05, 7 April 2026 (UTC) :: It's not actual wikitext. It's a custom template syntax that's kind of like wikitext, which gets converted into abstract content when you press "Push to Abstract Wikipedia." [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 16:57, 7 April 2026 (UTC) ::: @[[User:Ainali|Ainali]]@[[User:JJPMaster|JJPMaster]] if you have syntax suggestions I am interested. I was in a rush with implementing this, and I want to in the future implement aliases for wikifunctions and possibly items, so that you can type things out yourself. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 19:53, 7 April 2026 (UTC) ::: Ah, I see. IT was just the announcement that was ambiguous then. <span style="color:#EAA">♥</span>[[User:Ainali|Ainali]] <small>^{[[User talk:Ainali|discussion]]}_{[[Special:Contributions/Ainali|contributions]]}</small> 20:03, 7 April 2026 (UTC) : FYI anything made by a clanker AI robot is not "made by you." Thank you for your attention to this matter. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 15:18, 7 April 2026 (UTC) :: Who, then? [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 20:16, 7 April 2026 (UTC) ::: The clanker AI robot. [[User:Babelball|Babelball]] ([[User talk:Babelball|talk]]) 16:42, 8 April 2026 (UTC) :::: I edited the Wikidata page for the tool to mention Claude. [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 21:35, 8 April 2026 (UTC) ::::: FYI that LLM-generated code is not eligible for copyright, and therefore the MIT license by extension. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 17:59, 9 April 2026 (UTC) :::::: I think the statements that Wikidata could make are limited by what references can be found. [https://docs.github.com/en/repositories/managing-your-repositorys-settings-and-features/customizing-your-repository/licensing-a-repository This help page] makes it sound as if there are limited options for expressing a repo's licensing situation, so I am not surprised that MIT should be the blanket release, even if strictly speaking some of the code contained within is ineligible for copyright, or infringes on an existing copyright (which would need to be demonstrated). But I suppose [https://cpomagazine.com/cyber-security/taking-stock-of-the-anthropic-source-code-leak-ai-agent-compromise-signals-security-issues-claude-copies-ahead-of-massive-ipo turnabout] is fair play? — [[user:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[user talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 19:53, 9 April 2026 (UTC) ::::::: @[[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] I like the idea of the wikidata content being restricted based on sources provided. I will try to implement something like this in the next release. Any ideas of which particular statements are useful and should be imported more readily? [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 20:28, 9 April 2026 (UTC) :::::::: I meant in [[d:Q138963952|the Wikidata item]] ''for'' AWE, but in general I think our articles should incorporate references early on, since even abstract content needs justification. [[d:help:sources#Language-independent general principles|This help page]] may be handy; '[[d:property:P3680|statement supported by]]' could be useful for linking to biographical articles in the manner "According to [source], [claim]" (obviously adjusted to the relevant language structures in each language for saying such things). — [[user:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[user talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 20:42, 9 April 2026 (UTC) :::::::::@[[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] oh that makes sense. But as for the wikidata sources, actually providing the sources is something that is trivially easy as far as accessing wikidata is concerned, but I am not sure how to give sources for claims in wikilambdas. Do you know how? [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 20:44, 9 April 2026 (UTC) ::::::::::I don't. Currently the distinction between content and format is unclear to me. [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 21:48, 9 April 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::@[[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] what do you mean by content vs format? [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 21:52, 9 April 2026 (UTC) ::::::::::::In the most 'abstract' sense, an article would have as irreducible parts semantic content only (from Wikidata), with syntax handled by the group of functions responsible for getting things looking right in a given target language. In practice, the overall structuring of the article largely defines or limits the syntactic structures of language produced. This is sensible for an encyclopedia which has a fairly conventional or constrained sort of prose. Of course, a web encyclopedia needs more than prose. Hence the functions for making links and formatting text (right now directly to HTML, bypassing wikitext). Although this is a MediaWiki installation, no article has had media content added to it yet, since the formatting functions that would enable that aren't in place. So I would say that content and formatting are entangled, currently. A reference could be considered either: the text that provides the sourcing of a statement, or the formatting that enables this semantic content to read as a reference, perhaps inline or as a footnote, end note, or marginal note. [[f:WF:type proposals#Representing abstract content]] has a couple RfCs about this. — [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 01:45, 10 April 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::Yeah I am very confused about what the intention of Abstract Wikipedia is and how much it lines up with the reality. I had thought that the articles would be mostly directly generated from wikidata. :::::::::::::Only particular direction I see clearly is that I think we need articles on all of these pages [[d:Wikidata:List of articles that Abstract Wikipedia should have]] since they will likely bring a lot of traffic to the site and since they have a lot of information, people will have a lot of reason to come to this site and come up with new ways of expressing things on the pages. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 04:06, 10 April 2026 (UTC) ::::::::::::::I am however really liking section headers like the one here [[Q12539]] and I am going to include them in the next release [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 04:13, 10 April 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::::Yes I think that adding sections to articles might be really the first part of the journey towards actually having somewhat readable articles. Although a lot of this is dependent on the article text actually rendering at all [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 04:21, 10 April 2026 (UTC) ::::::::::::::::Yeah I think I am getting the hang of things. Adding sections and paragraph breaks to the new versions. Denoted by ::::::::::::::::<nowiki>{{p}}</nowiki> ::::::::::::::::for a paragraph break ::::::::::::::::and ::::::::::::::::==QID== ::::::::::::::::for a subheading ::::::::::::::::All content is now generated within paragraphs, and the <nowiki>{{p}}</nowiki> splits the paragraphs up. Feeglgeef mentioned that the paragraphs are a significant accessibility feature, and the paragraphs are also easier to insert with the methods of the app. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 04:36, 10 April 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::::::I am also implementing "it" to avoid repeating the name of the article constantly, and I am implementing citation preservation on certain things.Meanwhile also trying to fix the accessibility issue that was criticized. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 05:25, 10 April 2026 (UTC) ::::::::::::::::::New release is out [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 07:42, 10 April 2026 (UTC) ::::::::::::::::::I would suggest not to use [[d:Q6091500]] at the moment. In some languages, there might be multiple words for different uses of "it". If you are editing with only the English logic, it won't help build a multilingual wiki. [[User:Sun8908|Sun8908]] ([[User talk:Sun8908|talk]]) 17:42, 11 April 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::::::::@[[User:Sun8908|Sun8908]] fair. I had thought it would be dropped in pro-drop languages but I do not think that was a reasonable assumption. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 19:47, 11 April 2026 (UTC) ::::::::::::::::::::I asked at the Monday meeting. Not sure if anything is being done about it though. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 20:15, 15 April 2026 (UTC) :Nice work. I for one don't care how you made the tool, the important part to me is how it works and if it helps me/us edit AW. [[User:So9q|So9q]] ([[User talk:So9q|talk]]) 20:23, 11 April 2026 (UTC) :[[File:AWE split paragraphs.png|thumb|Article on wheat]] {{ping|Immanuelle}} your tool is back at it again! I've asked you to test it before you use it to create a bunch of articles twice now. You, evidently, haven't listened! I understand you're probably acting in good faith, but you ''have'' to test your tool before you unleash it on the wiki. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 01:38, 18 April 2026 (UTC) ::No, I did listen. I am not sure what your objection is, but this looks like intended behaviour. I was asked to make every single sentence into its own paragraph to make it easier to debug maintaining accessibility. Previous the tool grouped many sentences into a single paragraph. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 02:49, 18 April 2026 (UTC) :::@[[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]]: You were asked to make each actual paragraph into a call of the "paragraph" function. You were not asked to make every individual sentence a paragraph. That is probably even less accessible than what we started with. [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 03:06, 18 April 2026 (UTC) ::::The content itself needs refining. As it is, most articles have no value-added over the Wikidata triples plus labels; basically just slight readability improvements. We require complex structures sooner rather than later. [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 03:08, 18 April 2026 (UTC) ::::I thought that the rule was that we put every single sentence into a paragraph of its own because text readers need a paragraph to read the text. We cannot debug things if there are multiple sentences within a paragraph, because these sentences go up to the top and make it so that the paragraph itself fails to render. ::::So this was specifically an accessibility concern for people who are visually impaired, with an accepted reduction in readability for people with regular vision so that it can also be debugged. ::::Like this: ::::{{quote| ::::What we might try is wrapping each sentence as a paragraph, with occasional pairing of closely related sentences. That keeps failure isolated while preserving at least some natural flow. ::::We could consider also implementing a “sentence” or “content unit” function that simply calls “paragraph”, so we can later tell where the intended paragraphs are.}} [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 04:11, 18 April 2026 (UTC) :::::We need to import the quote template [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 04:12, 18 April 2026 (UTC) :Does anybody want any other changes to be made to this tool? Things are still relatively up in the air about what an optimum article even is, and as a result it kind of makes us limited in what we can do with it. I'm changing the way that the paragraphs work to fit what I now perceive as the consensus. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 18:11, 18 April 2026 (UTC) : I tried to run it on macOS 14.5, but it errored out when I clicked "Pull from Wikidata." It appears that this was because you hardcoded your Python path. <code>Error: Error invoking remote method 'generate-wikitext': Error: spawn C:/Users/Immanuelle/AppData/Local/Programs/Python/Python313/python.exe ENOENT</code> — [[user:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[user talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[special:contribs/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 11:56, 6 April 2026 (UTC) :: For the record, the solution is to go into <code>src/main.ts</code> and change the Python path to something other than <code>C:/Users/Immanuelle/...</code> — [[user:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[user talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[special:contribs/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 12:05, 6 April 2026 (UTC) : TYSM!! I did have to debug the code a little first to get it working, but this will be so helpful for me. — [[user:ChaoticVermillion|<span style="color: orangered">Chaotic</span><span style="color: crimson">Vermillion</span>]] ([[user talk:ChaoticVermillion|converse]], [[special:contribs/ChaoticVermillion|contribs]]) 11:59, 6 April 2026 (UTC) :: I am so sorry and I fixed it so the new release should avoid that problem in the future. — [[user:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[user talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 17:55, 6 April 2026 (UTC) ::: @[[User:ChaoticVermillion|ChaoticVermillion]] btw there is an update that has a lot more functions and I am not sure if you are using it. The new one allows you to undo edits or restore revisions. Something that I cannot figure out how to do in regular Abstract Wikipedia. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 17:55, 8 April 2026 (UTC) == Wikiprojects == Are there wiki projects here? Can I just make some in this namespace? [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 15:12, 10 April 2026 (UTC) :I don't see why not. It's a wiki, after all :). Please just don't flood the talkspace with templates that don't exist. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 16:51, 10 April 2026 (UTC) ::I've created a first Wikiproject ([[Abstract Wikipedia:WikiProject Core articles]]) and an explainer page ([[Abstract Wikipedia:WikiProject]]). [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 17:11, 10 April 2026 (UTC) :::I made this one too [[Abstract Wikipedia:WikiProject Quality Prose]] [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 18:39, 10 April 2026 (UTC) ::{{ping|Feeglgeef}} Are WikiProjects for specific languages OK? Responsibility seems to be stretched between maintaining Wikidata labels and lexemes alongside creating and maintaining functions on Wikifunctions, so I'm unsure if Abstract Wikipedia would be considered a good place to coordinate these things. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 21:56, 20 April 2026 (UTC) :::There's no community consensus for or against, so, since this is a wiki, I don't see any reason why anyone would stop you :). [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 23:46, 20 April 2026 (UTC) == Wikifunctions & Abstract Wikipedia Newsletter #243 is out: Community proposals for capturing meaning == There is [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-04-10|a new update]] for Abstract Wikipedia and Wikifunctions. Please, come and read it! In this issue, we report on three community proposals on syntactic approaches, we introduce a new Type (Complex numbers), we report on current hiccups on Abstract Wikipedia, we share more information about a presentation about Abstract Wikipedia at WikiCon Australia, and we take a look at the latest software developments. Want to catch up with the previous updates? Check [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates|our archive]]! Also, we remind you that if you have questions or ideas to discuss, the next '''Volunteers' Corner''' will be held on '''[https://zonestamp.toolforge.org/1776101400 April 13, at 17:30 UTC]''' ([https://meet.google.com/xuy-njxh-rkw link to the meeting]). Enjoy the reading! -- [[User:Sannita (WMF)|User:Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 15:35, 10 April 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Sannita (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Wikifunctions_%26_Abstract_Wikipedia&oldid=30325620 --> == Numerous errors have been introduced, possibly due to the "AWE" tool == As [[User:Fram|Fram]] has [[w:Wikipedia:Village_pump_(WMF)#c-Fram-20260410163000-Fram-20260408131600|pointed out]] over on the English Wikipedia in his usual style, [[User:Immanuelle]] has been breaking pages such as [[Q711]] with edits such as [[Special:Diff/4383]]. I was able to [[Special:Diff/4415|fix this]] by changing "it" to Wikidata item reference in "defining role sentence". @[[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]]: Judging by your edit history, you have introduced this error to a lot of pages. Before continuing with your work to make the rest of the articles from your list, [[d:Wikidata:List of articles that Abstract Wikipedia should have]], I kindly ask you to fix the pages you've already made. [[User:Warudo|Warudo]] ([[User talk:Warudo|talk]]) 17:16, 10 April 2026 (UTC) :This is, of course, what happens when you use a slop-machine to write code. See existing discussion on [[User talk:Immanuelle/Abstract Wikipedia Editor#Creates inaccessible content]]. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 17:19, 10 April 2026 (UTC) ::@[[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] I thought you wanted everything nested in the paragraph things. That's why I did that, following your request that you linked to. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 17:45, 10 April 2026 (UTC) :::I know. In the future, can you test whatever the slop-machine gives you ''on-wiki'' to ensure you don't mass-vandalize it again? Thank you! [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 17:52, 10 April 2026 (UTC) ::::@[[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] the problem I faced is that I do not know how to actually understand error messages on this wiki. When every page fails to render, it is very difficult to know if I introduced an error, or the program introduced an error. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 18:18, 10 April 2026 (UTC) :::::@[[User:Warudo|Warudo]] I guess my question for you would be how did you figure out that this was an error on the page? [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 18:19, 10 April 2026 (UTC) ::::::That's a fair question. The way things are now you can't be sure if the error is because of technical issues with the site or a bad page. In this case it was rather easy though. The "dependency" parameter of [[f:Z28016]] expects a reference to a Wikidata item but you passed the string "it" to it. That is an obvious mistake so it was easy to tell that it's not a random error. [[User:Warudo|Warudo]] ([[User talk:Warudo|talk]]) 19:23, 10 April 2026 (UTC) :::::::That makes sense. I will try to be a lot more careful with error detection in the future. Hopefully the technical issues with the site are fixed and I can see the content issues more soon [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 20:08, 10 April 2026 (UTC) ::::I suggest that “vandalize” is an inappropriate choice of word in this case. Whatever your feelings about the quality of the code or the care with which it is being deployed, I think you could manage to assume good faith on the part of a fellow contributor. Thank you. ::::At a technical level, there is an issue with simply bracketing multiple calls together to yield a paragraph, since a failure in any one call will lead to the loss of the whole paragraph. In [[:f:Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-03-26]], the advice given was: ::::::“By the way, here’s one tip: currently, caching for Abstract Wikipedia happens on the level of the “fragment”. This means that by putting several sentences into a single paragraph, the paragraph as a whole is being run, may cause time-outs, and will be cached. Instead, if, for now, you put one sentence into each fragment, caching and evaluation can be more spread out and should allow for more content.” ::::[[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 19:00, 10 April 2026 (UTC) :::::@[[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] would you suggest removing the paragraph by default behavior in the editor over this? [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 19:50, 10 April 2026 (UTC) ::::::What we might try is wrapping each sentence as a paragraph, with occasional pairing of closely related sentences. That keeps failure isolated while preserving at least some natural flow. ::::::We could consider also implementing a “sentence” or “content unit” function that simply calls “paragraph”, so we can later tell where the intended paragraphs are. [[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 21:23, 10 April 2026 (UTC) :::::::This is not accessible for users with screen-readers, and thus not a viable work-around. Each paragraph must be in a paragraph tag. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 22:31, 10 April 2026 (UTC) ::::::::It’s sub-optimal, I agree, but every unit of meaning would be wrapped in p tags, which is more accessible than a series of bare fragments or failed function calls. [[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 17:07, 11 April 2026 (UTC) :::::::::If you do need to make inaccessible articles, please at least give them a category on the talk page. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 21:21, 11 April 2026 (UTC) ::::::::::We’d need to agree an accessibility standard first, but I’m not planning on creating any articles until there are suitable functions available. [[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 22:36, 11 April 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::I agree. Accessibility standards need to be established and not just assumed. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 23:28, 11 April 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::I definitely do agree that we need accessibility standards, but this isn't really a nice-to-have that you debate about but rather the floor. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 00:27, 12 April 2026 (UTC) ::::::::::::I took this thread as consensus that we need to have every sentence as its own paragraph. Is that incorrect? Do people want me to change it back to one paragraph per paragraph break? I removed that one because it covered up errors. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 04:21, 18 April 2026 (UTC) :::::When someone "vandalizes" it is not necessarily intentional, see [[wikt:vandalise]]. I do understand that Immanuelle has good faith, but at the same time, the "deployment" caused tens of articles to be broken, and furthermore I don't suspect something this bad would have slipped through had a human carefully reviewed the code. When a contributor deploys a semi-automated tool and uses it to make edits at the rate {{ping|Immanuelle}} was at this rate, you are morally obligated to test it. This wasn't the first time the slop-machine that they used caused them to mess up tens of articles, and if Immanuelle doesn't exercise extreme care in the future, I don't suspect it will be the last. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 22:25, 10 April 2026 (UTC) ::::::It was a silent error that was only discovered by chance. What kind of testing would you have done to avoid this? [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 22:37, 10 April 2026 (UTC) ::::::@[[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]]": On Wikipedia, "[[:en:WP:VAND|Vandalism]]" is a technical term that means "editing (or other behavior) '''''deliberately''' intended to [[:en:Wikipedia:DE|obstruct or defeat]] the [[:en:Wikipedia:Five_pillars|project's purpose]]''". Accidental disruptive editing is not considered vandalism. [[User:Warudo|Warudo]] ([[User talk:Warudo|talk]]) 22:52, 10 April 2026 (UTC) :::::::@[[User:Warudo|Warudo]] on the topic of this glitch. I think I have removed it from all pages that had it. Please tell me if there are more that you see. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 23:29, 10 April 2026 (UTC) ::::::::Thanks for cleaning up :) [[User:So9q|So9q]] ([[User talk:So9q|talk]]) 20:29, 11 April 2026 (UTC) :::::::This isn't the English Wikipedia, or even a wikipedia at all, despite the domain. Unless a defined technical term related to Wikifunctions I'd consider words to have their natural language meaning. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 01:28, 11 April 2026 (UTC) ::::::::@[[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]]: Last time I checked, this was the Abstract ''Wikipedia''. But in any case, this is the definition provided in [[f:Wikifunctions:Vandalism|Wikifunctions]] as well as [[meta:meta:Vandalism|meta]]. Vandalism has to be deliberate. [[User:Warudo|Warudo]] ([[User talk:Warudo|talk]]) 08:50, 11 April 2026 (UTC) :::::::::It's not ''the'' Abstract Wikipedia like ''the'' English Wikipedia, but just Abstract Wikipedia. It isn't a Wikipedia in and of itself (as in, it's not supposed to be viewed by end readers), but rather a tool for Wikipedias. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 15:33, 11 April 2026 (UTC) ::::::::::It still has an independent editing community. Just because it draws from Wikidata and Wikifunctions doesn't mean content decisions aren't made here; it necessarily has to have some autonomy just like any language edition. [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 19:18, 11 April 2026 (UTC) :::::::::“Deliberately” is also the first word of section 3.3 of our Code of Conduct, linked at the foot of every page. [[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 17:11, 11 April 2026 (UTC) :::::+1 Please assume good faith and keep it civil. [[User:So9q|So9q]] ([[User talk:So9q|talk]]) 20:27, 11 April 2026 (UTC) :@[[User:Warudo|Warudo]] will hold off on page creation [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 17:43, 10 April 2026 (UTC) :Just a note @[[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]], the project is a Beta version, so, in my opinion, it's not a good idea to flood it with a large number of [{{fullurl:Special:Contributions|target=Immanuelle&namespace=0&newOnly=1&limit=250&end=2026-04-10}} article stubs]. Additionally, the natural language functions are still limited.--[[User:Mdktb|Mdktb]] ([[User talk:Mdktb|talk]]) 18:58, 10 April 2026 (UTC) ::@[[User:Mdktb|Mdktb]] okay that is a good point. I think I was confused since I thought that we were more on the trying to get new users stage. I will stick to fixing up my errors and only making pages on things that I have a lot of stuff to say on. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 19:20, 10 April 2026 (UTC) :::@[[User:Mdktb|Mdktb]] and here is a wikiproject I made and tagged some pages with that is specifically related to developing more natural language [[Abstract Wikipedia:WikiProject Quality Prose]] [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 19:27, 10 April 2026 (UTC) ::Would you be willing to raise this in the project chat? I'm thinking we are in an experimentation state that will keep improving incrementally just like the first edition of Wikipedia did since January 15, 2001. Just like back then I don't think it's a good idea to arbitrarily limit good faith editing. We probably will have to revisit these articles later as more and better functions become available but that in itself is not a valid argument for refraining from edits. [[User:So9q|So9q]] ([[User talk:So9q|talk]]) 20:36, 11 April 2026 (UTC) :::Already here ;) [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 21:05, 11 April 2026 (UTC) ::I agree with your stub-flooding comment, I don't think it's particularly useful to have a bunch of articles that say nothing. The concern right now should be testing. I expect that the way in which we write abstract articles will change drastically eventually, so writing hundreds of articles is not only a waste of time but a debt. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 21:07, 11 April 2026 (UTC) :::We can always use [[Special:AncientPages]] to find them later on. :::My expectation is that things will change, but we’ll be able to change the articles. They aren’t set in stone. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 03:21, 18 April 2026 (UTC) :The error in question was that "it" ended up getting into the jsons as a string instead of the id for "it". This occurred due to an error with the program with function aliasing, functions and items can have aliases that are used to be human readable, and replaced with their codes during insertion. But apparently when you try to insert a nonexistent alias then it just inserts the text and there is no server side validation at all of edits. :My guess is that basically they do not have an api since they have no server side validation and were relying on solely client side, and did not anticipate someone building such a tool that accidentally bypassed client side validation through a cache injection which was motivated by UX purposes :I plan on attending the Monday volunteer meeting and asking about this issue. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 22:45, 10 April 2026 (UTC) ::> But apparently when you try to insert a nonexistent alias then it just inserts the text and there is no server side validation at all of edits. ::This sounds like a bug. Would you be willing to create a ticket in phab with details? [[User:So9q|So9q]] ([[User talk:So9q|talk]]) 20:38, 11 April 2026 (UTC) :::The team has already declined (or indicated that they had no plans) to do validation in this form, so I don't think a new ticket would be ideal. Either way, this shouldn't affect anyone besides those using a headless browser (or anyone using good, human-reviewed code and a headless browser), so I don't think it would be a priority anyway. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 21:19, 11 April 2026 (UTC) ::::Not sure what you are talking about. At the meeting they did not seem to be opposed to doing server side validation. They just said that they had a bit of concerns about infrastructure that was stopping it as an immediate thing. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 20:14, 15 April 2026 (UTC) :::::The volunteer's corner? I unfortunately missed that, but it was more than a year ago that I believe they decided not to pursue it, so you're probably right. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 13:46, 16 April 2026 (UTC) :So I have resolved this issue, as I have resolved most of the issues that people brought up. The whole paragraph debate is something I am returning to the older version of. Does anybody want other changes to the way that it makes articles? [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 18:09, 18 April 2026 (UTC) == Sandbox page == The previous discussion about bot-created pages does raise a question: is it possible to have sandbox pages here? As far as I can tell, one can only create pages in the main namespace, and it has to be one page per Wikidata item. So there's no good place to experiment. Or am I missing something? The only other thing I can think of is to write the whole abstract article (or a part of it) as a function with a composition implementation on Wikifunctions and then to call it from a user-space sandbox page here. That, however, doesn't actually seem to work: [[User:Amire80/sandbox|I've just tried to call a function from my user space]], and I just see "⏳ Function is being called…". That is possibly a bug that can be fixed (maybe [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T422299 T422299]?), but even if it's fixed, it doesn't look like the best user experience. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 18:48, 10 April 2026 (UTC) :[[phab:T421417]] [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 18:52, 10 April 2026 (UTC) ::For now [[Q3938]] can be used for test edits . [[User:ChaoticVermillion|<span style="color: orangered">Chaotic</span><span style="color: crimson">Vermillion</span>]] ([[User talk:ChaoticVermillion|converse]], [[Special:Contributions/ChaoticVermillion|contribs]]) 02:06, 11 April 2026 (UTC) :We have [[Q138864867]]. [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 23:30, 11 April 2026 (UTC) == I propose Q10693 for featured article == I think [[Q10693]] is the best article here. Can I propose it for [[Abstract Wikipedia:Featured article]] [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 22:24, 10 April 2026 (UTC) :We'd to come to a consensus on criteria first before we nominate anything. Anyway, the talk page of [[Abstract Wikipedia:Featured article]] would be a better place to decide this, not ''everything'' belongs on the project chat. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 02:36, 11 April 2026 (UTC) == REST API for editing? == Hi, does anyone know if there is a ticket in phab for a public API endpoint that allows editing of AW content? It would be very useful to improve tooling and content. [[User:So9q|So9q]] ([[User talk:So9q|talk]]) 20:41, 11 April 2026 (UTC) :I don't believe so. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 21:03, 11 April 2026 (UTC) :I do not know why there isn't a REST API, but I had to [[Abstract Wikipedia:Project chat#I made a desktop app that helps with editing|specifically work around it with my editing tool]]. It will be very nice in the future to have a REST API. :I think that right now there isn't actually any server-side verification of whether an article is well-structured, and that might be the reason why there isn't a REST API yet. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 23:46, 11 April 2026 (UTC) ::What rest api are you talking about? Checkout [[Special:RestSandbox]]. [[User:Tanbiruzzaman|Tanbiruzzaman]] ([[User talk:Tanbiruzzaman|talk]]) 16:50, 12 April 2026 (UTC) :I would like to proudly announce that it can be done. See [[Special:Diff/6102]]. Here was my request: :<syntaxhighlight lang="json">{ "source": "{\"qid\":\"Q100000\",\"sections\":{\"Q8776414\":{\"index\":0,\"fragments\":[\"Z89\"]}}}", "title": "Q100000", "comment": "Hello from MediaWiki REST API", "content_model": "abstractwiki", "token": "[token]" } </syntaxhighlight> [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 04:43, 20 April 2026 (UTC) == Spaces between sentences == In abstract articles with two sentences or more, I usually see two spaces between the sentences. Why two? I usually write one space, and that's probably what most people do in English. I know that some people write two; I don't like it myself, but this practice does exist. But here, it raises a few more nuanced questions: # Where is it actually defined that there are supposed to be ''any'' spaces between the sentences? I might be wrong, but it probably comes from the extension code and not from the functions. # Can this be customized per language? I don't know all the rules for all the languages, but I strongly suspect that some languages use spaces between sentences differently, and no default is good for all the languages. I'd especially check if it's good for Thai, Burmese, Japanese, and Chinese. # When I examine the HTML code of the rendered sentences, each of them is a <code><nowiki><div></nowiki></code>. It's a bit odd—I'd expect <code><nowiki><span></nowiki></code> there. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 21:07, 14 April 2026 (UTC) :Can you give an example article, please? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 14:01, 15 April 2026 (UTC) ::[[Q833]], [[Q11361384]], and probably every other abstract article whose rendered English text has more than sentence. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 14:34, 15 April 2026 (UTC) :::No, not every single one (see [[Q333]]), but most of them. This has happened because Denny promoted separating sentences into individual fragments and Immanuel used an AI slop-machine to create an editing tool. Essentially, they're being treated as separate elements (like how one paragraph is different from a section heading), so the UI adds a space. This, of course, should not be done, because it breaks screen-readers and looks weird, but apparently everyone is just OK with it. Like a thousand articles have been created by the afforementioned slop-generated tool (because the person who oversaw the bot that created it seems to care more about quantity than quality), whereas I've only created three myself (because I care more about quality and shaping the direction of the wiki in preparation for when abstract content becomes actually viable). [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 15:02, 15 April 2026 (UTC) ::::If I understand correctly, [[Q333]] has one fragment, which is one function call, which in turn creates two sentences and joins them using a hardcoded space. If each sentence was created using a separate fragment, they would probably appear with two spaces in practice. Neither option is very good. ::::The mass creation of abstract articles using that tool is probably not really related to this. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 15:52, 15 April 2026 (UTC) :::::No, one of them is objectively wrong and one of them is correct. You're not ''supposed'' to split two sentences into two fragments. That's the point. The mass creation of articles using that tool ''is'' related, because it's responsible for the proliferation of articles that follow the wrong one. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 17:36, 15 April 2026 (UTC) ::::::Why not split sentences into fragments? I can easily imagine some functions that produce several sentences, but it's not universal. ::::::And why is it ''correct'' to join sentences using a hardcoded space? Joining sentences shouldn't be done using a hardcoded space, but with a generic "join sentences" function, which will be one space for many languages, but probably not for all of them. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 17:55, 15 April 2026 (UTC) :::::::Yes, not having to hardcode is the eventual goal. Splitting sentences into fragments is bad because it adds extra spacing (this is a feature, and a good one!), because it's bad for screen-readers, and because it would be impossible to distinguish between paragraphs, the article would just be a collection of sentences. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 18:03, 15 April 2026 (UTC) ::::::::I still don't understand why splitting into fragments is bad. What is good about extra spacing? It looks like a bad feature, not a good one. It sounds like a rendering and presentation issue, not a logical issue. Fragments can be inline, and the inline ones should be <code><nowiki><span></nowiki></code>s, not <code><nowiki><div></nowiki></code>s. And there should also be an option for <code><nowiki><div></nowiki></code> fragments. And maybe some others. Forcing every fragment to be a <code><nowiki><div></nowiki></code> sounds like a bad feature. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 18:46, 15 April 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Again, the spacing is good because the correct reason to split is to create two separate paragraphs. Even if the spacing ''was'' removed, it would still not work for screen-readers, and blocking out blind people when the mission is to spread knowledge to neglected languages is incredibly ironic. I'm not sure how else I'm supposed to communicate this to you. It's like asking "why is magma so hot! I want to drink magma instead of water, but it's too hot and not refreshing!" [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 19:07, 15 April 2026 (UTC) ::::::::::Maybe I understand what a "fragment" is supposed to be differently. Where is defined what is it supposed to be? [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 20:22, 15 April 2026 (UTC) == Archiving discussions on this page? == We're soon coming up to having a month old messages here, and considering the current length of it and size of the community, perhaps 30 days is a good limit for archiving them. Does anyone know how to get an archive bot running here? <span style="color:#EAA">♥</span>[[User:Ainali|Ainali]] <small>^{[[User talk:Ainali|discussion]]}_{[[Special:Contributions/Ainali|contributions]]}</small> 06:44, 16 April 2026 (UTC) :+1 [[User:So9q|So9q]] ([[User talk:So9q|talk]]) 09:55, 16 April 2026 (UTC) :+1 [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 13:41, 16 April 2026 (UTC) :+1. I think SpBot does archiving on Wikifunctions. Maybe it could be brought here as well? [[User:ChaoticVermillion|<span style="color: orangered">Chaotic</span><span style="color: crimson">Vermillion</span>]] ([[User talk:ChaoticVermillion|converse]], [[Special:Contributions/ChaoticVermillion|contribs]]) 14:18, 16 April 2026 (UTC) :+1 [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 14:24, 16 April 2026 (UTC) == Importing the q template == I really want the <nowiki>{{q}}</nowiki> template here imported from wikidata. It is very helpful with qids. Linking to here instead of wikidata. Might be able to be expanded for lexemes and wikifunctions too. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 14:26, 16 April 2026 (UTC) :I've copied it and its dependencies from Wikifunctions: see {{Q|1}} It may need some tweaking to work well here, because we also use QIDs. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 04:51, 17 April 2026 (UTC) ::Great! I think we need [[Template:Quote]] too [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 04:13, 18 April 2026 (UTC) == Caching issues (hopefully) fixed == Hey all, I know the caching issues have been a real pain for you. I've just now deployed what (I hope) is a fix that works for calls on Wikifunctions.org, fragments here, and embedded Wikifunctions calls. See for example [https://abstract.wikipedia.org/view/en/Q1344227 view/en/Q1344227] which should load fragments near-immediately for you (not need a retry or time out). You'll also see e.g. that https://test.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikifunctions now has "stable" results, not just endless "please wait" comments. That said, please tell me where I'm wrong and you're having issues! Much better to hear now than assume it's fixed and start all over again tomorrow. I appreciate your feedback and patience over this; it has been very generous of you all. Our next work in this area is to make the cache much more scalable and resilient over time, so it's faster and more reliable for you, and cheaper for us to support. Thank you again. [[User:Jdforrester (WMF)|Jdforrester (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Jdforrester (WMF)|talk]]) 14:47, 16 April 2026 (UTC) :Thank you (and the rest of the team) for your efforts for this new wiki! We really appreciate it. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 14:58, 16 April 2026 (UTC) :Wow this is great! Now we can do a lot more verification on whether created pages are working well! Gotta look over a bunch of pages. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 15:20, 16 April 2026 (UTC) ::Yes I tried to fix up a bunch of pages. Many of them actually render properly now. But I did need to change quite a few [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 17:36, 16 April 2026 (UTC) :::Yes, please give your attention to the quality of pages you've already created rather than expanding the quantity. For example, on [[Q153]] I notice that you used Z28016 a lot, but that "defining" should only be used when it is the only instance of that class in that location (which works fine for a capital city), but not e.g. for hydrogen being "the" part of ethanol. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 04:43, 17 April 2026 (UTC) == Importing templates from wikipedias == I think it would be a good idea to set something up so that templates from wikipedia can be represented as wikifunctions. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 14:59, 16 April 2026 (UTC) :Already {{done}} on WF, see [[f:WF:MediaWiki parser functions]]. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 15:08, 16 April 2026 (UTC) == Idea for the project chat == I've been thinking of some ideas that we could implement related to the project chat. I'm not saying I endorse anything, just throwing out an idea. There's been a ''lot'' of activity on here, I'm not sure if this is going to be a permanent thing or if it's just because the wiki just started. If it maintains its activity, we might want to divide it up like the English Wikipedia does, perhaps into "Proposals", "Technical and Wikifunctions", and "Miscellaneous." [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 15:19, 16 April 2026 (UTC) :Simple english wikipedia has almost all discussion happen on its Project chat. I think we should only add nerw things once we really need more chats. Having everything here makes it easier for people to keep up with the news of abstract wikipedia. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 16:31, 16 April 2026 (UTC) ::The place to keep up with news for "abstract [sic] wikipedia [sic]" is the newsletter. I think that separating might actually make it easier to follow the specific discussion that you want, as you can choose which of the three to subscribe to. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 17:58, 16 April 2026 (UTC) ::We should at least have a talk page archiving bot, like [[:en:User:lowercase sigmabot III]]. [[User:EatingCarBatteries|EatingCarBatteries]] ([[User talk:EatingCarBatteries|talk]]) 20:18, 16 April 2026 (UTC) == What to do with Z26955 == There are a lot of articles with [[:f:Z26955|Z26955]] in them, since it has this obvious warning on it, what should we do with existing articles that have it? Just remove it on sight? [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 15:33, 16 April 2026 (UTC) :We should only improve articles by fixing the problems, not by removing them. If you can replace a function by a better one, that’s great. Otherwise, please leave it for now so that we can see what needs fixing. [[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 23:04, 16 April 2026 (UTC) == Representing "part of" == How do I represent that something is part of another thing? I used to use the spo sentence without understanding that it did not work. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 16:30, 16 April 2026 (UTC) :I think [[f:Z32982]] can be used, with the role as [[d:Q1310239]]. [[User:ChaoticVermillion|<span style="color: orangered">Chaotic</span><span style="color: crimson">Vermillion</span>]] ([[User talk:ChaoticVermillion|converse]], [[Special:Contributions/ChaoticVermillion|contribs]]) 18:55, 16 April 2026 (UTC) == Wikifunctions & Abstract Wikipedia Newsletter #244 is out: Milestones; Some major issues hopefully resolved == There is [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-04-16|a new update]] for Abstract Wikipedia and Wikifunctions. Please, come and read it! In this issue, we celebrate 4000 functions on Wikifunctions and 1000 abstract articles on Abstract Wikipedia, we announce that we should have fixed some major issues with the websites, we inform you on our latest outreach activities, and we take a look at the latest software developments. Want to catch up with the previous updates? Check [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates|our archive]]! Enjoy the reading! -- [[User:Sannita (WMF)|User:Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 10:22, 17 April 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Sannita (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Wikifunctions_%26_Abstract_Wikipedia&oldid=30325620 --> == AceWiki: Abstract Wikipedia before Abstract Wikipedia? == For those of you not in the know, ACE is [[w:Attempto Controlled English|Attempto Controlled English]]. This is a special subset of English that, unlike regular English, is entirely grammatically unambiguous and is machine-readable. For example, the sentence "Every person has a cat" is ACE, as a computer could easily parse that into a logical structure of the form "for any person P, P has a cat." Well, I found a semantic wiki software called AceWiki, whose articles are written entirely in Attempto Controlled English (see [https://acewiki.petapico.org/acewikigeo/ AceWikiGEO]). The sentence structures seen in AceWiki articles (while I can't link directly to any article, the article on the United States of America, which can be found in the Index in the sidebar, is a good example) are quite similar to those in our existing abstract articles. Using a tool called [https://github.com/Attempto/ACE-in-GF ACE-in-GF], ACE text could be translated into any language. I've been thinking about the idea of a tool that allows an editor to write Attempto Controlled English text, and have that text turned into an abstract article. As an example: '''ACE''' -- "Every antelope is a mammal." &rarr; '''Abstract content''' -- [[f:Z26627|Classifying a class of nouns (Z26627)]]: [[d:Q25894|antelope (Q25894)]], [[d:Q7377|mammal (Q7377)]] This tool would not be optimized for mass article creation, since it would not include an option to generate articles directly from Wikidata, but I think it could be interesting to see how being able to write abstract articles in natural language might lower the barrier to contributing to this project. Thoughts? [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 01:59, 20 April 2026 (UTC) :I'm not sure how we'd actually do the conversion step. If you'd be willing to attempt to make a prototype I'd love to look at it, but I'm skeptical. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 18:12, 21 April 2026 (UTC) == Help with the news section on main page == Hi all, I would like to have some help in importing [[:f:Template:Main page/News]] here and inserting it in the main page's module. Can someone help me to do it? [[User:Sannita (WMF)|Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 10:26, 20 April 2026 (UTC) :I believe [[Template:Main page/News]] is already set up and visible on the main page, unless you mean importing the history of the WF template over. [[User: Tenshi Hinanawi|Tenshi!]] ([[User talk: Tenshi Hinanawi|Talk page]]) 11:12, 20 April 2026 (UTC) ::Ah, that's great, thanks! [[User:Sannita (WMF)|Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 14:53, 20 April 2026 (UTC) == Layout guidelines? == One thing I'm noticing is that there are a ''lot'' of ways to do the same thing. I'd like to know which is preferred in the simple case of making single-sentence articles that just say what they are. Take [[Q503]] for example. If you look at the edit history of the article, you'll see it went through a few changes: * Initially, it was a [[f:Z14396|''string of monolingual text'']] call wrapped inside of a [[f:Z27868|''string to HTML fragment'']] call. The innermost function got the monolingual text returned from [[f:Z26095|''subject is kind of'']], converted it to a string, and then to a HTML fragment. * Afterwards the two topmost functions were removed until only the ''subject is kind of'' function call remained, and this was wrapped in a call to [[f:Z29749|''monolingual text as HTML with visible language tag'']]. * Finally the ''subject is kind of'' call was placed into a typed list provided as an argument to the [[f:Z32234|''join text-like objects into HTML fragment'']] call, which in turn was made into a proper paragraph rather than a standalone <code>&lt;div&gt;</code> as it was previously. None of these seem like a particularly bad way to approach things, and I have seem all of them in the wild; the first thing I tried I did so as it was the way the first article I stumbled upon chose to render its text. Since [[Abstract Wikipedia:Useful functions for article composition]] only goes over linguistic functions, and doesn't seem to provide any guidance on ''composition'' functions (i.e. building the HTML contents itself, as you have to do in the plain visual editor online), I thought I'd ask here if there is a preferred way to do things, and if it could perhaps be made clearer on the website if so. It is rather bothersome wanting to build e.g. a wikitable, and needing to peruse the available functions on Wikifunctions instead of having an easily-accessible way to see what is generally recommended for the particular circumstance. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 21:36, 20 April 2026 (UTC) :I'm partial to paragraph(join text-like objects into HTML fragment(your sentences)), as not using a paragraph tag is bad for those who use screen readers, and I designed join text-like objects to reduce function calls and therefore speed up the article processing step. The long-term problem with this method is that Japanese and Chinese both do not have spaces between sentences, so I plan to soon create a function that takes a list of text-like objects and then converts it into a paragraph under the correct style of each language. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 23:51, 20 April 2026 (UTC) ::That sounds good, I have grown more fond of that method as well. What you described would be great to have, I have been adding [[f:Z13128]] references inbetween each sentence to counteract the lack of spacing but something that would do this automatically for English while also obeying the sentence rules of other languages it renders in would be very ideal. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 16:33, 21 April 2026 (UTC) ::{{ping|Feeglgeef}} I noticed [[f:Z33068]]. I decided to hack up an implementation of it that aligns with what you said, I don't know if this is what your original intention for the function was and I apologize if I misconstrued it. At the moment, it just runs the ''join text-like objects'' function I mentioned earlier wrapped in a call to ''paragraph'', but adds spaces if the language is not Japanese or Chinese. I'm not sure if, in this scope, a lack of spaces is the only difference between how certain languages arrange their sentences. This also only accounts for the ZObjects for Chinese and Japanese specifically, I think some sort of switch statement or separate configuration object would be better suited for this—not to mention that there are separate natural language objects for the different scripts of Japanese, so those would have to be blanketed under Japanese when considering the language passed in (which I don't want to chain a bunch of ORs to do at the moment). For now, though, it seems to work fine. I added two different test cases and they both pass, and I have also utilized the function on [[Q241691]]. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 03:31, 23 April 2026 (UTC) :::Ah, thank you for implementing that, it looks good to me. I've created a persistent object for storing the languages that don't use spaces, [[f:Z33984]]. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 13:47, 23 April 2026 (UTC) == Wikidata problems == Sorry for posting two questions here in a row. I'll try to make this brief. On the bottom of [[Q247237]] is what ''should'' be a list of albums, but on my end it appears as just "''PLUS''" repeated fourteen times. This seems to occur any time I use [[f:Z13464]] on a list of Wikidata item references... is anyone else seeing this? I'm not sure what I could be doing wrong. Related to this, I wonder if I can avoid needing to explicitly state each of these items? I moved the list to a separately-defined object on Wikifunctions to avoid having to constantly transfer it between websites since I don't think the clipboard works cross-site. Ordinarily, if I were trying to get all Autechre studio albums, I would use Wikidata's SPARQL query feature to do this, by finding every entity whose [[wikidata:P31|P31]] is [[wikidata:Q482994|Q482994]] and whose [[wikidata:P50|P50]] is [[wikidata:Q247237|Q247237]]. This doesn't seem to be doable with Wikifunctions, though, or at least I'm not seeing it... so I don't know how I would do this automatically. We are making articles out of functions here, so I think it would be worthwhile if I tried to future-proof the list using this paradigm. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 16:30, 21 April 2026 (UTC) :On your first question, I've [[f:Z33903|tried to replicate this on WF]] and I cannot, which makes it difficult to solve. :We cannot currently reverse most WD statements, so your use case is not ''currently'' possible, but we are able to access the statements that are ''on'' an item. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 18:10, 21 April 2026 (UTC) 10xg9fgxzu21v8mavtv1vpfrlotvou4 6670 6665 2026-04-23T16:17:04Z Theki 2698 /* Wikidata problems */ re 6670 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Shortcut|[[Project:PC]]|[[Project:VP]]}} __NEWSECTIONLINK__ [[Category:Abstract Wikipedia administration|Project Chat]] This is the Abstract Wikipedia Project chat. This is where discussions on the project happen. Add your discussion below this line. More technical issues should go to [[Abstract Wikipedia:Report a technical problem]]. ==Discussions not working== I keep getting a type error whenever I try to create a new topic. Anybody else? [[ talk:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 18:05, 19 March 2026 (UTC) :I'm also experiencing the same error. [[User: Tenshi Hinanawi|Tenshi!]] ([[User talk: Tenshi Hinanawi|Talk page]]) 18:19, 19 March 2026 (UTC) :@[[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]], @[[User:Tenshi Hinanawi|Tenshi Hinanawi]]: Sorry about that; it was due to a production mis-configuration that I've worked around for now. Unfortunately the same bug also meant that the community's first Abstract articles were all mis-created into the <code>Abstract Wikipedia:</code> namespace, and I don't think we can move them into the proper positions right now, so they'll need to be re-created. Please reply here, on [[Abstract Wikipedia:Report a technical problem]], or file any issues you run into in Phabricator. [[User:Jdforrester (WMF)|Jdforrester (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Jdforrester (WMF)|talk]]) 18:34, 19 March 2026 (UTC) ::The new abstract table is breaking globalcontribs counter across all Wikis, [[:phab:T420632]] [[User:Shushugah|Shushugah]] ([[User talk:Shushugah|talk]]) 18:51, 19 March 2026 (UTC) == Horray! 🎉 == This is just a celebratory post acknowledging the milestone of getting this project started. Great work on the engineering team so far, now we can get some community creating content as well! [[User:Ainali|Ainali]] ([[User talk:Ainali|talk]]) 18:53, 19 March 2026 (UTC) :I want to contribute but I'm a bit lost with the function editor so I'll wait until some documentation is uploaded on the community page. [[User:Hathor1719|Hathor1719]] ([[User talk:Hathor1719|talk]]) 18:55, 19 March 2026 (UTC) :🎉🎉🎉! [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 18:56, 19 March 2026 (UTC) == Local help page == The Help page in the sidebar goes to [[mw:Help:Contents]]. We should change that to just [[Help:Contents]]. (But I guess for that we need a local admin as well.) [[User:Ainali|Ainali]] ([[User talk:Ainali|talk]]) 18:59, 19 March 2026 (UTC) :@[[User:Ainali|Ainali]], done. But the page [[Help:Contents]] needs to be written. [[User:Tanbiruzzaman|Tanbiruzzaman]] ([[User talk:Tanbiruzzaman|talk]]) 19:13, 19 March 2026 (UTC) ::Is there a caching thing, that it is still not working? We have [[MediaWiki:Helppage]], but the link in the sidebar still goes to Mediawiki for me. <span style="color:#EAA">♥</span>[[User:Ainali|Ainali]] <small>^{[[User talk:Ainali|diskussion]]}_{[[Special:Bidrag/Ainali|bidrag]]}</small> 07:36, 20 March 2026 (UTC) :::Try [https://abstract.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abstract_Wikipedia:Project_chat?action=purge purge]. [[User:Tanbiruzzaman|Tanbiruzzaman]] ([[User talk:Tanbiruzzaman|talk]]) 07:59, 20 March 2026 (UTC) ::::I tried purging, it doesn't help. Interestingly, if I change the interface language to English, I get the new link, but not when I use it in Swedish. A bug, or do we need to define this for each language? <span style="color:#EAA">♥</span>[[User:Ainali|Ainali]] <small>^{[[User talk:Ainali|diskussion]]}_{[[Special:Bidrag/Ainali|bidrag]]}</small> 12:48, 20 March 2026 (UTC) :::::couldn’t find the solution, I think it's because multilingual feature hasn’t enabled yet. [[User:Tanbiruzzaman|Tanbiruzzaman]] ([[User talk:Tanbiruzzaman|talk]]) 13:44, 20 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::Now it works, without any new purging. Weird (but good). <span style="color:#EAA">♥</span>[[User:Ainali|Ainali]] <small>^{[[User talk:Ainali|diskussion]]}_{[[Special:Bidrag/Ainali|bidrag]]}</small> 15:36, 20 March 2026 (UTC) == qqx doesn't seem to work == I switched my user interface language to Hebrew. I'm trying to [[Special:CreateAbstract/Q18383|create a page]]. There's a plus button under "lead paragraph (Q8776414)". It has several items that begin with "Add" and continue with English strings that are probably function names: "section title", "paragraph", "HTML unordered list", etc. I tried using uselang=qqx to see what functions those are, but then the editing interface is not loaded at all. I see a yellow box with this text: : (wikilambda-initialize-error) : (wikilambda-renderer-error-footer-project-chat) uselang=qqx works quite nicely in Wikifunctions and shows ZIDs of objects when their labels are used in the interface, but it seems to fail here. It would be quite nice to make it work. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 19:06, 19 March 2026 (UTC) == Visual editor on this page == The first time I posted something here on this page (using DiscussionTools), I noticed a mistake and wanted to fix it. I clicked "edit" near the section heading, and it started editing the whole page in Visual editor. If I recall correctly, the default on other wikis is that the edit button next to the section heading on discussion pages opens only that section and in the wikitext editor. It should probably be the same here. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 19:10, 19 March 2026 (UTC) :[[Abstract Wikipedia:Report a technical problem]] would be more appropriate. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 19:14, 19 March 2026 (UTC) == Temporary adminship == I'm requesting temporary adminship here (for 24 hours to a week) to help set up the wiki on the community side. As administrator on Wikifunctions, I designed the current layout of the main page (also used locally), among other things. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 19:16, 19 March 2026 (UTC) :{{ping|Feeglgeef}} while I agree that temporary adminship could be useful, both personally and as a steward, I'm not sure it's a good idea to grant this request. First of all, you didn't really say why you need admin rights (and your history, both on Wikifunctions and Meta, make me want to be extra cautious). In the meantime, stewards and global admins can also (and already do) help if needed, don't hesitate to ask. Cheers, [[User:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[User talk:VIGNERON|talk]]) 21:36, 19 March 2026 (UTC) ::Ah, right! Please update the main page as I've requested on its talk page, as well as delete the existing pages on the Abstract Wikipedia namespace with QIDs (they are now redundant), and add the correct license to [[MediaWiki:License]]. I have a few more things, but they're relatively minor. Consider the above request retracted. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 22:29, 19 March 2026 (UTC) :::{{reply to|VIGNERON}} ? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 15:50, 20 March 2026 (UTC) ::::{{reply to|Feeglgeef}} yes ? please [https://dontasktoask.com/ Don't ask to ask, just ask]. Cdlt, [[User:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[User talk:VIGNERON|talk]]) 16:28, 20 March 2026 (UTC) :::::{{ping|VIGNERON}} I wanted you to do the things I asked in the above reply (which you ignored :(. ). The main page is fixed and the license is fine (not complete, but alas), but any page following the pattern "Abstract Wikipedia:Q[n]" should be deleted. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 17:57, 20 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::{{reply to|Feeglgeef}} I did the deletion this morning, did I miss any pages? Cheers, [[User:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[User talk:VIGNERON|talk]]) 18:00, 20 March 2026 (UTC) == Templates - per usual or as abstract content? == I was about to import a few templates that can come in handy in discussions and other meta-related activities but then realized that it may be a great use case for abstract content. Or will it not be possible to do it in that way on this wiki (or at all)? [[User:Ainali|Ainali]] ([[User talk:Ainali|talk]]) 19:28, 19 March 2026 (UTC) :Calling functions here is currently possible, but some templates are impossible to replace and functions are inconvenient in any case. It'd be helpful if you said which templates you intended to import, but generally I'd say import them. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 19:33, 19 March 2026 (UTC) ::I think what I wonder most is if we always should do multilingual templates with the traditional <code><nowiki><translate></nowiki></code> tags or use functions wherever we can. [[User:Ainali|Ainali]] ([[User talk:Ainali|talk]]) 19:42, 19 March 2026 (UTC) :::The problem with "functions wherever we can" is that most template-like functions are content based, like abbr or 0. I'm assuming you mean templates that are more about meta stuff, which probably should '''not''' be functions, at least under the current idea. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 19:46, 19 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Yes, I was only thinking about meta stuff. Where can I read about this idea you are referring to? It seems important enough that it should be part of [[Abstract Wikipedia:Scope|this project's scope]] (or similar page/policy). [[User:Ainali|Ainali]] ([[User talk:Ainali|talk]]) 19:52, 19 March 2026 (UTC) :::::It's not written down, I suppose. I didn't mean there was a rule against creating the functions, (feel free, if you'd like). The main problem with putting them on Wikifunctions is speed and the fact that you must use HTML fragments (no wikitext), which to me makes it unreasonable. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 19:56, 19 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::That's a fair point of view. The reason I asked was that it would be an excellent way of [[d:Q3033752|Q3033752]] (note to self, we need the functionality of [[d:Template:Q]]). If we get used here to not falling back into wikitext, we get more training at creating excellent abstract content. [[User:Ainali|Ainali]] ([[User talk:Ainali|talk]]) 20:03, 19 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::I haven’t tried an embedded function on an AW Project page, so I suppose I should… if you’ll forgive me! :::::::{{#function:Z32878|Q2013|}} [[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 14:37, 30 March 2026 (UTC) == Articles now creatable properly == Hello all! To those not on the telegram (or not following), articles are now able to be created in the correct way. Any articles you have previously made will need to be recreated. I'd courtesy ping those who have already created one but it seems we don't have that set up yet! [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 22:31, 19 March 2026 (UTC) == Testing from a different language == I have set the UI to Spanish and there are some menus not translated (Create an article in the sidebar, for example). Where can I translate the content I see missing? Also, I tried to create a very simple abstract article on the environment ([[Q43619]]) and it fails to render (Wikifunctions returned a failed response: Alcanzado el límite de tiempo en el Orquestador): I also found a random, decently big one ([[Q408]]) and it keeps loading for five minutes already in Spanish. Finally, if this is going to be with the purpose of multi lingual edition, shouldn't help and talk pages like these be also automatically translated? Because otherwise it becomes just an output of information, an editor who isn't familiar with English would be able to read the Abstract Wikipedia in their language but unable to provide feedback (as I'm doing now). [[User:Hathor1719|Hathor1719]] ([[User talk:Hathor1719|talk]]) 06:56, 20 March 2026 (UTC) :I am not sure that we want "automatic" translation. But regular translation, I truly agree that we should have. There is a Phabricator created to enable the Translate extension on this wiki ([[Phab:T420656]]). <span style="color:#EAA">♥</span>[[User:Ainali|Ainali]] <small>^{[[User talk:Ainali|diskussion]]}_{[[Special:Bidrag/Ainali|bidrag]]}</small> 07:42, 20 March 2026 (UTC) ::Yes at least the ability to translate user messages, so that I for example could read the messages in this page in Spanish and reply in Spanish, and the rest of users translate them to their local languages. Otherwise cross-lingual collaborative effort isn't going to work unless everyone has a decent level of English as a second language. Thank you for the link! [[User:Hathor1719|Hathor1719]] ([[User talk:Hathor1719|talk]]) 08:42, 20 March 2026 (UTC) :: ::I would greatly appreciate automatic per-comment translation (the way Discourse implements it), and hope we find a way to implement that for the truly multilingual sites like this. In the wiki spirit, the outputs of the automatic translation should be savable and editable so that a) the computation of auto-translation only happens once into each target language and b) everyone can improve each of those translations. [[User:Sj|Sj]] ([[User talk:Sj|talk]]) 21:23, 22 March 2026 (UTC) == Using Function IDs == It seems like when creating an article you cannot insert a function ID (i.e. Z6839) in a function call's function field and you have to type in it's name and hope it pops up (which it seems as though it doesn't always). [[User:VivianIsBee|VivianIsBee]] ([[User talk:VivianIsBee|talk]]) 13:13, 20 March 2026 (UTC) == Not showing functions that return strings where an HTML fragment is needed == It might be good to adjust the search function inside the abstract wikipedia editor to show functions that return strings as grayed-out where an HTML fragment is needed, as it took me a while to realize that [https://www.wikifunctions.org/view/en/Z24102 label of item reference in specific/general lang] returns a string and not an HTML fragment, meaning that it doesn't show up when searching. [[User:VivianIsBee|VivianIsBee]] ([[User talk:VivianIsBee|talk]]) 13:30, 20 March 2026 (UTC) == Cannot find Lorrain in the language list == Hi, I wanted to try generating an article in lorrain ([[d:Q671198]]), but it does not appear in the selection list. Where can I ask for it to be added, so that I can try experimenting with it? Thanks! [[User:Poslovitch|Poslovitch]] ([[User talk:Poslovitch|talk]]) 19:48, 20 March 2026 (UTC) :I'm not certain, but I know it's a bit of a process that I think begins on Wikidata. Even if it were added, there would be no support for it in community-made functions, so for the foreseeable future this will be impossible. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 19:54, 20 March 2026 (UTC) ::There are already plenty of lexemes in lorrain on Wikidata. [[User:Poslovitch|Poslovitch]] ([[User talk:Poslovitch|talk]]) 20:38, 20 March 2026 (UTC) :::Can you point me to them? [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-17446-79|&#126;2026-17446-79]] ([[User talk:&#126;2026-17446-79|talk]]) 22:04, 20 March 2026 (UTC) ::::https://w.wiki/FiVz [[User:Poslovitch|Poslovitch]] ([[User talk:Poslovitch|talk]]) 06:12, 21 March 2026 (UTC) :I see no reason for not adding this to our list of languages, after all we already have plenty of languages, including dialects like [[f:Z1640]]. {{ping|Poslovitch}} does this mean you are volunteering to create wikifunctions in lorrain 🤣 Cheers, [[User:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[User talk:VIGNERON|talk]]) 09:50, 21 March 2026 (UTC) ::@[[User:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] Of course! I suppose this means the fonctions will need to support the many ways to write in lorrain, since it is not standardized. Do you have any examples of functions that support such things? [[User:Poslovitch|Poslovitch]] ([[User talk:Poslovitch|talk]]) 09:54, 21 March 2026 (UTC) :::I tried creating a "Natural language" object on Wikifunctions, but it seems I don't have permission to do this. &lt;rant&gt;Why is it always so hard with languages that have no ISO codes :sob: &lt;/rant&gt; [[User:Poslovitch|Poslovitch]] ([[User talk:Poslovitch|talk]]) 13:32, 21 March 2026 (UTC) ::::You wouldn’t be able to create a Natural language object even if you did have an ISO code to hand. Could you raise a ticket on Phabricator, tagged with [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/tag/abstract_wikipedia_team/ Abstract Wikipedia team]? [[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 14:54, 21 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Thanks @[[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]], will do! [[User:Poslovitch|Poslovitch]] ([[User talk:Poslovitch|talk]]) 14:56, 21 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Raised: [[phab:T420823]]. [[User:Poslovitch|Poslovitch]] ([[User talk:Poslovitch|talk]]) 15:09, 21 March 2026 (UTC) == Project namespace alias == On all other Wikipedias, "WP" is an alias of the Project namespace. Why isn't it here? There's also "Abstract", but that's too long for my liking. [[User:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|<span class="skin-invert" style="color:black;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:110%;font-weight:normal;line-height:normal">NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh</span>]] 21:48, 20 March 2026 (UTC) :Noting that this has been discussed multiple times on the telegram. I would prefer AWP, but it doesn't really matter. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-17446-79|&#126;2026-17446-79]] ([[User talk:&#126;2026-17446-79|talk]]) 22:02, 20 March 2026 (UTC) :well it’s not like another language version of Wikipedia, and there're still confusion if it’s a sister project or else. [[User:Tanbiruzzaman|Tanbiruzzaman]] ([[User talk:Tanbiruzzaman|talk]]) 22:09, 20 March 2026 (UTC) ::{{ping|Tanbiruzzaman}} It is listed as a Wikipedia on [[Special:SiteMatrix]]. The domain and database ID says so as well. [[User:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|<span class="skin-invert" style="color:black;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:110%;font-weight:normal;line-height:normal">NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh</span>]] 22:13, 20 March 2026 (UTC) :::It was an initial process to connect wikidata, but will be configured later, per [[phab:T420420]] (also check comments in [[phab:T420643]]). [[User:Tanbiruzzaman|Tanbiruzzaman]] ([[User talk:Tanbiruzzaman|talk]]) 22:32, 20 March 2026 (UTC) :On a similar note, is there a reason why [[Main Page]] is a redlink? Feels useful to redirect it to [[Abstract Wikipedia:Main page]]. //[[User:SHB2000|SHB2000]] ([[User talk:SHB2000|talk]]) 07:33, 25 March 2026 (UTC) ::redirect from mainspace is not possible here, I guess. You may give a try. [[User:Tanbiruzzaman|Tanbiruzzaman]] ([[User talk:Tanbiruzzaman|talk]]) 07:39, 25 March 2026 (UTC) :::Fair enough I guess. --[[User:SHB2000|SHB2000]] ([[User talk:SHB2000|talk]]) 07:41, 25 March 2026 (UTC) ::::I can do it if I'm an admin. This project has no local admins or bureaucrats. [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 23:42, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::I tried to create it and it shows "The provided title 'Main_Page' is not valid for an Abstract Article.", also tried to change the content model to wikitext and shows the same error. Note that I also have the similar technical rights as admin. @[[User:Koavf|Koavf]], is there another way you'd try if you're an administrator? [[User:Tanbiruzzaman|Tanbiruzzaman]] ([[User talk:Tanbiruzzaman|talk]]) 03:44, 27 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::Import from another project's "[[Main Page]]". I did this at [[:d:Main Page]] (but the community decided to delete it, which I did). [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 03:47, 27 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::We do not have [[:f:Main Page]] either and I do not see why it would be needed here. --[[User:Ameisenigel|Ameisenigel]] ([[User talk:Ameisenigel|talk]]) 23:06, 27 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::I can easily imagine the scenario where there are incoming links to it. [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 23:58, 27 March 2026 (UTC) ::@[[User:SHB2000|SHB2000]]: Because the main namespace is not meant to have anything other than abstract articles in it, the same as for Wikifunctions and Wikidata. [[User:Jdforrester (WMF)|Jdforrester (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Jdforrester (WMF)|talk]]) 18:22, 27 March 2026 (UTC) :I checked the [[Special:NamespaceInfo|namespace information]] to see if there were any aliases for the Project namespace and I saw that Abstract: was an alias. Would that conflict with the interwiki prefix abstract:? [[User:ChaoticVermillion|<span style="color: orangered">Chaotic</span><span style="color: crimson">Vermillion</span>]] ([[User talk:ChaoticVermillion|converse]], [[Special:Contributions/ChaoticVermillion|contribs]]) 23:07, 28 March 2026 (UTC) == Making it easier to contribute == I'm aware that we're only a few days into the public beta of this project, and everything is a little rough around the edges, but I thought it could be useful to come up with some goals to work towards in order to make the site more accommodating and easier to contribute to, for newer and more experienced editors alike. (If there's a place where this discussion is already taking place please tell me and I can move there). Here are some thoughts I had so far: * Most of the current articles are extremely short, just one or two sentences long. I think it would be good to pick one article in each of a few main categories (e.g. one country, one type of food, one notable person, etc.) and work to try to include as much relevant information as possible, to serve as an example for future articles of similar types. * As I understand it, a lot of the limitations for what kind of information we can include in an article is due to which functions exist on Wikifunctions. We have [[Abstract Wikipedia:Useful functions for article composition]], which is a good way to find some functions, but this list can't include every single function, so it would be good to have some way to find relevant functions on Wikifunctions. Is there a category containing AWP-related functions there? I'm not too familiar with Wikifunctions yet but if there is a category, we should link it there. * In a similar vein, it seems like there are very few such functions currently available. It would be good to have some kind of guide as to how to create such functions that can be used here. I tried creating a new function there yesterday and it took me a while to find my way around, and I still haven't figured it out completely, so a guide specifically for people wanting to improve Abstract Wikipedia could be useful. * Lastly it might be worth coming up with a list of policies and guidelines that we want to make to begin with. Currently there are none, and obviously it's quite time consuming to create new policies, but coming up with a set of basic ones would be helpful I think. Let me know your thoughts. Cheers, &#123;&#123;[[User:GearsDatapacks|GearsDatapacks]]&#124;[[User talk:GearsDatapacks|talk]]&#124;[[Special:Contributions/GearsDatapacks|contribs]]&#125;&#125; 19:52, 21 March 2026 (UTC) :Just had a closer look at Wikifunctions; seems [[f:Wikifunctions:Catalogue/Natural language operations/Global language functions]] might be a good place to link to. &#123;&#123;[[User:GearsDatapacks|GearsDatapacks]]&#124;[[User talk:GearsDatapacks|talk]]&#124;[[Special:Contributions/GearsDatapacks|contribs]]&#125;&#125; 20:00, 21 March 2026 (UTC) ::I support the goal of making it easier to contribute. From my point of view a place where people can write example sentences in specific languages about specific facts and can request a function for it will be useful. So far I it is difficult for me to understand how it is possible to define content in a abstract way and convert it into texts in different natural languages. It seems to me like it requires to much available data at functions and Wikidata Lexemes what is not there for many small languages so far. So I prefer a monolingual approach based on Wikidata statements. Then people can write sentences what explain a specific Wikidata statement or multiple ones and this can be done for many languages. [[User:Hogü-456|Hogü-456]] ([[User talk:Hogü-456|talk]]) 20:49, 21 March 2026 (UTC) :I do agree that creating these linguistic functions would be easier if we had a guide, though it's not exactly a cut and paste process (it requires a lot of thinking to figure out edge cases, whether your use case makes sense across languages, what will be included in the scope of your function, what will not be, what the utility will be, etc.). An example of thinking this out poorly is [[f:Z31405]], where it's painfullyy clear that the Abstract Wikipedia team didn't think these questions through well enough, where the description says that they couldn't even decide whether the function would output a phrase or a noun, there is little to no utility in composing articles, and the edge cases are insurmountable with their current approach. :It's not exactly the same, but I've noted on the telegram that we should make it easier to make new language versions of existing functions. Unlike object labels, however, that requires either programming experience or a very in-depth tutorial, which we do not have. The lack of language-versions is natural if you think about it (if 1% of the world can make a Wikifunctions function and 1% can translate the concepts effectively between the languages we want, 0.01% can help us here), so the tutorial route seems like the only logical method. Spreading awareness as to contributing this way on the main page could also be helpful [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 00:35, 22 March 2026 (UTC) ::Yeah, some kind of tutorial would be phenomenal. There could be some walk-through tutorials for creating some basic linguistic functions. That seems to be the bottleneck to progress here - practically all sentences follow the format "X is Y". ::I've been looking forward to Abstract for awhile now (finding out it released yesterday, a bit too late), but it's completely unapproachable - it feels like I need a master's degree in both Computer Science and Linguistics in order to contribute to the growth of this project. It's a new project, sure, but it took at least an hour to write two sentences in [[Q711|Q711 (Mongolia)]]. Doesn't help that I only speak English. [[User:EatingCarBatteries|EatingCarBatteries]] ([[User talk:EatingCarBatteries|talk]]) 05:41, 27 March 2026 (UTC) :I suggest a bot that extract useful information and statistics including which functions are used. [[github:dpriskorn/wf-dump-scripts|See my prototype pipeline]]. [[User:So9q|So9q]] ([[User talk:So9q|talk]]) 06:26, 31 March 2026 (UTC) == Involving small language versions == As Abstract Wikipedia can help small Wikipedia language versions offering more content in this language I think it is important to try to get people from such projects involved. From my point of view the highest chance to get it done is if people who know people contributing to small language version talk to the contributors and invite them to contribute to Abstract Wikipedia. In Wikifunctions I expected more involvement of small language versions and I think it is important to make it easier to contribute and find a way how to communicate with people who do not speak English. As it is not the case everyone can speak this language. What do you think how is it possible to get more people from small Wikipedia language versions involved in Abstract Wikipedia and Wikifunctions. [[User:Hogü-456|Hogü-456]] ([[User talk:Hogü-456|talk]]) 20:55, 21 March 2026 (UTC) : I am interested in using AW/WF with the [[incubator:]], perhaps a workflow could be developed for that. — [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 18:52, 22 March 2026 (UTC) :: Have you tried to call Wikifunctions functions in the Incubatorwiki. I think adding language specific implementatations is the first step. It seems to me like simple sentences can be generated through calling Wikifunctions functions and so for this no Abstract Wikipedia is required. — [[User:Hogü-456|Hogü-456]] ([[User talk:Hogü-456|talk]]) 20:38, 22 March 2026 (UTC) ::: I'll try it. [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 06:02, 23 March 2026 (UTC) == URL-Parameter for specific language == Is it possible to call an abstract Wikipedia article with a URL-Parameter specifying the language. I looked for random pages and I got examples without a german Implementation. I am interested in sharing an example and for this I want to set a link people can klick on to get the result in the expected language afterwards. [[User:Hogü-456|Hogü-456]] ([[User talk:Hogü-456|talk]]) 20:43, 22 March 2026 (UTC) :You can add "?uselang=de" to render the article in German, if that is what you mean. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 22:41, 22 March 2026 (UTC) :@[[User:Hogü-456|Hogü-456]]: Yes, like with Wikifunctions you should be able to go to <code>/view/fr/Q123456</code> but that's waiting for some production re-configuration to work. [[User:Jdforrester (WMF)|Jdforrester (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Jdforrester (WMF)|talk]]) 13:12, 23 March 2026 (UTC) ::Great 🤩 [[User:So9q|So9q]] ([[User talk:So9q|talk]]) 06:28, 31 March 2026 (UTC) == Purpose of language-specific functions? == Some functions that produce sentences seem to have language-specific functions for every language, I.e. "Brazilian Sign Language: article-less defining". Why is this? What functions have this multiplicity? I thought one point of AWP was to have language-independend functions, all of which have specifications for how they would render outputs in different languages (where the choice of output language is decided at the client, or at the final step of rendering, not for each function in turn). [[User:Sj|Sj]] ([[User talk:Sj|talk]]) 21:23, 22 March 2026 (UTC) :This is just a side effect of how Wikifunctions works. Essentially the generic "Article-less defining fragment" checks which language you want, and then calls the language-specific version. You should only use the generic ones in abstract articles. &#123;&#123;[[User:GearsDatapacks|GearsDatapacks]]&#124;[[User talk:GearsDatapacks|talk]]&#124;[[Special:Contributions/GearsDatapacks|contribs]]&#125;&#125; 21:50, 22 March 2026 (UTC) ::Aha thanks, then the interface should probably not be showing the hundreds of language-specific ones in the selector drop-down for editors. [[User:Sj|Sj]] ([[User talk:Sj|talk]]) 18:55, 23 March 2026 (UTC) :::Agreed, although I'm not sure how easy it would be to filter them out; there's not really anything distinguishing them from the general functions, they're both functions that take some input and return monolingual text as output. Maybe worth opening a phabricator ticket to get the opinion of people on the technical side of Abstract Wikipedia. &#123;&#123;[[User:GearsDatapacks|GearsDatapacks]]&#124;[[User talk:GearsDatapacks|talk]]&#124;[[Special:Contributions/GearsDatapacks|contribs]]&#125;&#125; 19:39, 23 March 2026 (UTC) ::::I think the best way to do it would be to have some sort of tag for "multilingual function"? [[User:Infernostars|Infernostars]] ([[User talk:Infernostars|talk]]) 21:43, 25 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Yes. I think this reveals that there are (at least) two kinds of functions on Wikifunctions. Those that are (mainly) helper functions (although they may be useful for external reuse or in abstract articles about a language) and Abstract-ready functions. Having a way to mark them as such on Wikidata, and then by default filter on Wikifunctions would increase usability a lot. <span style="color:#EAA">♥</span>[[User:Ainali|Ainali]] <small>^{[[User talk:Ainali|discussion]]}_{[[Special:Contributions/Ainali|contributions]]}</small> 08:22, 28 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::I agree that we need to be able to reduce the noise when finding functions. ::::::I also agree that it would be very valuable to create function categories and be able to filter when searching. ::::::I also agree that defaulting on AW to "top-level" functions is a good idea. ::::::@ainali what do y mean mark them in Wikidata? Functions are not notable there if I understood correctly. [[User:So9q|So9q]] ([[User talk:So9q|talk]]) 06:33, 31 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::@[[User:So9q|So9q]] Oh, it's my mistake, mind wandering while writing. Instead of "on Wikidata" I meant "in metadata". <span style="color:#EAA">♥</span>[[User:Ainali|Ainali]] <small>^{[[User talk:Ainali|discussion]]}_{[[Special:Contributions/Ainali|contributions]]}</small> 15:48, 31 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::Oh, ok, I agree. My prototype to extract statistics could be used to find sll top level html functions. ::::::::We could limit it to functions over a certain number to not count the built in functions. ::::::::We could do quite a lot of work with the data to help people gaps. E.g. most used functions in AW missing support for Swedish for example. 😀 [[User:So9q|So9q]] ([[User talk:So9q|talk]]) 20:17, 31 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::::The prototype script used to generate https://www.wikifunctions.org/wiki/Wikifunctions:Statistics/Z8 could rather easily be forked and adapted to AW 😀 [[User:So9q|So9q]] ([[User talk:So9q|talk]]) 06:45, 1 April 2026 (UTC) == "It" in abstract wikipedia == How should the concept of "it" be represented in abstract wikipedia? Otherwise it leads to a lot of sentences like "Brussels is the capital of Belgium. Brussels is a large city. Brussels is...". Also, is there any plans for some form of easier to understand "authoring language" or something? The current approach with writing wikifunctions is hard to understand and write. [[User:VivianIsBee|VivianIsBee]] ([[User talk:VivianIsBee|talk]]) 19:35, 23 March 2026 (UTC) :Every concept is represented in Abstract Wikipedia through its Wikidata item, which would be [[d:Q6091500]] in this case. I'm not exactly sure what you mean by an "authoring language" (some sample texts of your idea would be helpful), but I don't think there's much improvement to be had while still writing in an abstract language (that is to say, most improvements would make the language more concrete). [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 20:18, 23 March 2026 (UTC) ::I mean more like a format easier to work with than wikifunctions. Like some form of computer-parsable conlang which can be "compiled" into wikifunctions. [[User:VivianIsBee|VivianIsBee]] ([[User talk:VivianIsBee|talk]]) 20:47, 23 March 2026 (UTC) :This is a tough problem, because the pronoun you would use is semantically different in different languages. I think we have to make a "refer to previously-mentioned" function that takes a Wikidata item, reads properties like person or object, (linguistic) gender, etc, and spits out a pronoun. Hopefully it can be done that simply. [[User:Snowmanonahoe|Snowmanonahoe]] ([[User talk:Snowmanonahoe|talk]]) 18:41, 25 March 2026 (UTC) ::Yeah that would make sense. I can try to draft one for English (that's the only language I know at least for now) so we can get a proof of concept. [[User:VivianIsBee|VivianIsBee]] ([[User talk:VivianIsBee|talk]]) 18:48, 25 March 2026 (UTC) ::Ooh. I could be wrong but I think wikidata doesn't have a property for "grammatical gender". For English I'll probably match on P21 and if it's an instance of Q5, and if it doesn't have P21 and is an instance of Q5 do they/them, if not an instance of Q5 and doesn't have P21 it/its, and otherwise match on P21. Also we'll need multiple "refer to" functions for different types of pronouns (possessive, nominative, etc). [[User:VivianIsBee|VivianIsBee]] ([[User talk:VivianIsBee|talk]]) 18:57, 25 March 2026 (UTC) :::About the grammatical gender property: yeah, you're probably right. That's the tough part, because we're going to need individual properties for every language with grammatical gender. See the similar discussion about classifier/measure words and articles below. [[User:Snowmanonahoe|Snowmanonahoe]] ([[User talk:Snowmanonahoe|talk]]) 19:06, 25 March 2026 (UTC) ::@[[User:VivianIsBee|VivianIsBee]] We do have [[:d:Property:P5185]], but this is applied only to lexemes and not to items. [[User:Mahir256|Mahir256]] ([[User talk:Mahir256|talk]]) 20:49, 25 March 2026 (UTC) == Supported languages for an article == Is there a possiblity to see all languages an article can be displayed in. I looked at [[Q2290517]] and it seems like there is not yet a German version for this article. From my point of view knowing what articles are missing in the language of interest is important for working on abstract articles. As I looked at random pages I got a timeout as my user interface is in German and the generation of the article in German was not sucessful. So I think it is also necessary for checking if the article can be displayed in the user interface language. [[User:Hogü-456|Hogü-456]] ([[User talk:Hogü-456|talk]]) 21:17, 24 March 2026 (UTC) :This is not something that is convenient to check at all. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 21:55, 24 March 2026 (UTC) ::It would be great if it were clearer which was the first (or all, if possible) function that failed to render in a language to help the user go make necessary additions on Wikifunctions. <span style="color:#EAA">♥</span>[[User:Ainali|Ainali]] <small>^{[[User talk:Ainali|discussion]]}_{[[Special:Contributions/Ainali|contributions]]}</small> 08:24, 28 March 2026 (UTC) :::I agree, I recently wrote the team and suggested a clear backtrace so the user can see an overview of the chain of functions and steps in which step failed in which function. :::I'm imagining something like the GitHub actions job pipeline overview, where you can easily see the process and the output from the failing step. [[User:So9q|So9q]] ([[User talk:So9q|talk]]) 06:41, 31 March 2026 (UTC) == [[f:Z26039|Z26039]] and [[f:Z26095|Z26095]] == This is a big mistake, and it's best we fix it now. Anything relating to particular languages or even groups of languages needs to stay all the way out of the generic functions. Languages have different rules for articles, some of them don't even have articles. This kind of thing cannot be reconciled at the general function-level. As to the alternate way we deal with this, that's a little tougher. My first thought is a bunch of Wikidata properties that tell you whether an article precedes an entity's label in a particular language. That idea could work, but there are some obvious problems: *Are there languages where the presence of an article is contextual, too? *No one will fill these properties, especially in languages other than English, because we will accumulate dozens of them that have to go on every single word ever [[User:Snowmanonahoe|Snowmanonahoe]] ([[User talk:Snowmanonahoe|talk]]) 13:23, 25 March 2026 (UTC) :Can you give me an example of a language where this distinction actively prevents the functions from working? Some languages do not have articles, but that just means that the two are interchangeable. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 13:26, 25 March 2026 (UTC) ::Trivially. ::*[[w:Golf|Golf]] on enwiki: "Golf is a club-and-ball sport in which players use various clubs to hit a ball into a series of holes on a course in as few strokes as possible." ::*[[w:es:Golf|Golf]] on eswiki: "El golf es un deporte cuyo objetivo es introducir una bola en los hoyos que están distribuidos en el campo con el menor número de golpes, utilizando para cada tipo de golpe uno de entre un conjunto de palos ligeramente diferentes entre sí, ya que la cabeza del palo tiene ángulos distintos, al igual que las varillas tienen longitudes diferentes." ::[[User:Snowmanonahoe|Snowmanonahoe]] ([[User talk:Snowmanonahoe|talk]]) 13:34, 25 March 2026 (UTC) :::That's not a meaningful difference, though, and both examples use Z26039. Z26039 and Z26095 have different semantic meanings, they aren't stylistic choices. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 16:01, 25 March 2026 (UTC) ::::<em>Stylistic choice?</em> Is this a joke? Do you think the word "the" in English is a stylistic choice? [[User:Snowmanonahoe|Snowmanonahoe]] ([[User talk:Snowmanonahoe|talk]]) 16:19, 25 March 2026 (UTC) :::::I mean, yes? If you can be understood perfectly without it that's what it is. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 16:21, 25 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::You just said "Z26039 and Z26095 have different semantic meanings". [[User:Snowmanonahoe|Snowmanonahoe]] ([[User talk:Snowmanonahoe|talk]]) 16:27, 25 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Yes. "The" has no semantic meaning, but there is a semantic difference between "A bird is a dinosaur" and "Bird is a dinosaur" (The latter is about a specific animal names Bird). [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 21:06, 25 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::It does though, no? See Wiktionary's second example: ::::::::: ''You live on Main Street, don't you? You know, you should tell the mayor '''the''' street needs cleaning.'' ::::::::Generally it's used to refer to a singular identifiable instance (there's more definitions, but this is the primary one), which I think is definitely enough to put it outside of "no semantic meaning". [[User:Infernostars|Infernostars]] ([[User talk:Infernostars|talk]]) 21:18, 25 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::::I can understand it perfectly fine if you remove "the", though. The fact that the thing can be obviously identified with "the" means that it can be obviously identified without it. It's convenient, though. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 21:21, 25 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::::The solution you're proposing to the problem at hand is pretty much "completely abandon grammatical articles in every language except English". You're right that it's not the end of the world, but we should at least try to solve the problem first. [[User:Snowmanonahoe|Snowmanonahoe]] ([[User talk:Snowmanonahoe|talk]]) 21:26, 25 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::No. That's definitely ''not'' what I'm saying. I'm disputing your insinuation that something is wrong with our current approach. We can solve any stylistic problems on a language by language basis, and semantic problems in the abstract content. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 22:09, 25 March 2026 (UTC) :By the way, even a single generic function for "X is a Y" is already too much, it neglects [[w:measure word|measure word]]s in Chinese, Japanese, and Korean. [[User:Snowmanonahoe|Snowmanonahoe]] ([[User talk:Snowmanonahoe|talk]]) 13:39, 25 March 2026 (UTC) ::Oh god... measure words. How the fuck do we deal with measure words? ::Have a look at the article for [[w:Chinese classifiers|Chinese classifiers]]. I have no idea how to deal with these. [[User:Snowmanonahoe|Snowmanonahoe]] ([[User talk:Snowmanonahoe|talk]]) 14:58, 25 March 2026 (UTC) :::I would presume Wikidata has those available to find? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 16:09, 25 March 2026 (UTC) ::::No, I just checked and Wikidata doesn't have a property for this yet. We would need to do a decent amount of workshopping to define such a property well for the proposal there (it wouldn't just be "Chinese classifier for"; I think something like "Chinese count-classifier for"? The count-classifiers that simply disappear in Germanic languages are the real concern, as the mass-classifiers can generally be paired with the noun to translate into an English word) but I think it could work barring some edge cases. ::::My main concern is if fundamentally we want to solve these sorts of problems this way. If so, we're going to be asking Wikidata to make hundreds if not thousands of properties over the coming months. Is that the best way to do this? I'm wondering if anyone has a better idea. [[User:Snowmanonahoe|Snowmanonahoe]] ([[User talk:Snowmanonahoe|talk]]) 18:15, 25 March 2026 (UTC) :::::And... is it going to <em>work?</em> How many Wikidata items only have a label in one or two languages as-is? This is only going to exacerbate that problem by quadrupling the work to translate a word, and putting us basically at square one. [[User:Snowmanonahoe|Snowmanonahoe]] ([[User talk:Snowmanonahoe|talk]]) 18:27, 25 March 2026 (UTC) ::::@[[User:Snowmanonahoe|Snowmanonahoe]] There is [[:d:Property:P5978]] which can be used to say that a particular lexeme sense is used with a specific classifier (not just in Mandarin but also in languages like Malay), as well as [[:d:Property:P10927]] which can indicate the reverse relation (but for parsimony's sake should point to more general classes rather than to every applicable sense in existence). [[User:Mahir256|Mahir256]] ([[User talk:Mahir256|talk]]) 20:53, 25 March 2026 (UTC) :::::@[[User:Mahir256|Mahir256]]: Thank you, I didn't know about Wikidata's work on lexemes. This seems a lot more doable now. Question: is there any way to move from an item to a lexeme, e.g. if I had [[d:Q81727]] and I wanted [[d:L:L3965]]? [[User:Snowmanonahoe|Snowmanonahoe]] ([[User talk:Snowmanonahoe|talk]]) 20:58, 25 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::@[[User:Snowmanonahoe|Snowmanonahoe]] re: your first sentence, I suspect that most people with questions here are clueless about lexemes (something the Abstract Wikipedia team made a grave mistake in not properly having addressed before this launch). In general links go from lexeme senses to items and not the other way around, [[:d:Wikidata:Lexicographical_data/Documentation/Senses#Properties_regarding_relationships_to_Wikidata_items|with several properties available to do so]], and while there is a Wikifunction to go from an item to a lexeme, I cannot endorse the current method of composing abstract articles (<small>see my reply under "Authoring Language" below</small>) enough to mention what Wikifunction that is. [[User:Mahir256|Mahir256]] ([[User talk:Mahir256|talk]]) 21:11, 25 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::The function being referred to by Mahir is [[f:Z6830]]. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 21:25, 25 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::It would be helpful if you read a bit about the project before insisting that we're doing it wrong. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18667-44|&#126;2026-18667-44]] ([[User talk:&#126;2026-18667-44|talk]]) 22:11, 25 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Could you elaborate? [[User:Snowmanonahoe|Snowmanonahoe]] ([[User talk:Snowmanonahoe|talk]]) 22:15, 25 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::You don't even know about Lexemes, much less the complexities of the project. You come into the project chat without the slightest sliver of a clue and then tell everyone that they are "making a big mistake." Perhaps next time you could phrase it like "What is the distinction between these two functions? Does this not present concerns about XYZ?" [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18688-73|&#126;2026-18688-73]] ([[User talk:&#126;2026-18688-73|talk]]) 02:09, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::::I'd be happy to hear why I'm wrong. [[User:Snowmanonahoe|Snowmanonahoe]] ([[User talk:Snowmanonahoe|talk]]) 02:18, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :Is it just me or does 26039 only return void? [[User:MetalBreaksAndBends|MetalBreaksAndBends]] ([[User talk:MetalBreaksAndBends|talk]]) 18:31, 25 March 2026 (UTC) ::Does for me, too, the English version anyway. [[User:Snowmanonahoe|Snowmanonahoe]] ([[User talk:Snowmanonahoe|talk]]) 18:42, 25 March 2026 (UTC) :::If my debugging is right, everything except Russian, Ukrainian, and Belarusian is completely broken. [[User:MetalBreaksAndBends|MetalBreaksAndBends]] ([[User talk:MetalBreaksAndBends|talk]]) 18:44, 25 March 2026 (UTC) ::::For me, English renders fine now [perhaps due to a recent edit? hard to be sure]. Not sure if it's entirely fixed though. [[User:Infernostars|Infernostars]] ([[User talk:Infernostars|talk]]) 21:08, 25 March 2026 (UTC) :I agree there is a problem with the current approach. My proposed solution: I'm hoping the top level call from Abstract Wikipedia will be optionally allowed to send parameters like the grammatical number "plural" of the subject, which could be considered by the specific language alongside other context about the subject/object item to formulate the grammar (e.g. [[f:Z32496]]), and by the time it gets to the English constructor (e.g. [[f:Z32410]]), the English function will have the "subject is plural" boolean set (to decide "has"/"have" as well as the articles). I'm working on this particular example and all the required helper functions. If the English version works, I'll seek to make a configuration that allows similar in other languages. PS off topic, but I also think we will often want these functions to return HTML not monolingual text, so that we can embed hyperlinks. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 02:37, 26 March 2026 (UTC) ::HTML is ideal because you don't need to convert it. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 13:16, 26 March 2026 (UTC) ::I’m not sure we want to favour particular features; don’t we simply want to determine the relevant set of lexemes for an item/language pairing? We don’t have selective fetch for lexemes, so the set may need to be limited, but identifying the more salient lexemes still requires considering the full set, unless we filter by “lexical similarity” between the item’s labels and/or aliases and the lexeme’s lemma and/or forms. [[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 13:58, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::I don't quite understand what you are objecting to, or what problem you forsee. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 00:22, 27 March 2026 (UTC) ::::I’m not objecting to anything, although the notion of “sending” is a little alien in a functional context. The problem is knowing which features (predicates) are most salient. I guess it’s simply an optimisation, so further relevant details can be fetched later if the context requires them. But I’d still think in terms of filtered statement sets, and perhaps different filters per language. If we’re going to be language specific, it’s natural to consider extending the selective fetch to include sense-related lexemes. [[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 11:26, 27 March 2026 (UTC) == Authoring Language == Wikifunctions are kind of a pain to work with directly (no offense to the creators of them, they're an amazing platform and overall very impressive, just kind of by their nature they are built to be more abstract and closer to lambda calculus over "regular" programming languages), and that extends to Abstract Wikipedia. Has it been thought about making a sort of "authoring language" that is easier to work with than directly using Wikifunctions, but then "compiles" directly to Wikifunctions? My idea is sort of making a computer-parsable, natural language-agnostic conlang or even just some sort of custom markup language that could optionally be used to write abwiki articles and then would be stored along with the compiled wikifunctions and a timestamp of last compile so if an update was made then previous articles could be recompiled automatically. I'm of course not one of the abwiki staff members, so if this doesn't fit the "spirit" of it or something let me know, but I think it'd be helpful. [[User:VivianIsBee|VivianIsBee]] ([[User talk:VivianIsBee|talk]]) 19:14, 25 March 2026 (UTC) :I proposed adding support for Spreadsheetfunctions to Wikifunctions. It is better than defining a new language. From my point of view there are in relation to other programming languages many people who can write spreadsheet functions and they are translated into many different natural languages. In the past I did some experiments regarding the automatical conversion of Spreadsheet functions into the programming language R. I am interested in defining an Abstract Article in an Spreadsheet and I think it is possible. It is from my point of view important to lower the barrer to create an Abstract Article and creating functions in Wikifunctions. Maybe the goal of making it abstract makes it more complicated and language specific functions are easier to create for many people. [[User:Hogü-456|Hogü-456]] ([[User talk:Hogü-456|talk]]) 20:25, 25 March 2026 (UTC) :@[[User:VivianIsBee|VivianIsBee]] I have presented to the Abstract Wikipedia team about an abstract content authoring language [[f:Wikifunctions:Status updates/2024-10-17|multiple]] [https://elemwala.toolforge.org/static/nlgsig-nov2025.html times]. It is unfortunate that the current infrastructure does not seek to support this yet. [[User:Mahir256|Mahir256]] ([[User talk:Mahir256|talk]]) 20:49, 25 March 2026 (UTC) == Definite articles == Heya! Been working on the page [[Q778]] [and thus the [https://www.wikifunctions.org/view/en/Z26570 Z26570] function] - is there a way to check if a word needs a definite article [i.e. the] or not? Right now it's "''The Bahamas is an island country in Caribbean.''" which is close but needs a definite article [before Caribbean]. But I can't just always add it, since cases like "''Lubeck is a city in the Germany.''" would be wrong. Is there any solution for this yet? [[User:Infernostars|Infernostars]] ([[User talk:Infernostars|talk]]) 21:06, 25 March 2026 (UTC) :IIRC this has been discussed on the telegram/IRC. Not sure if a solution was found. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 21:23, 25 March 2026 (UTC) :@[[User:99of9|99of9]] is working on this: [[:f:Z32645]] [[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 14:02, 26 March 2026 (UTC) ::hmm, tried adding this to [[f:Z30397]], but it makes it return an empty string for some reason? presumably i'm doing something wrong but not sure what... :( [faulty implementation at [[f:Z32738]]] [[User:Infernostars|Infernostars]] ([[User talk:Infernostars|talk]]) 19:55, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::The reason was that the argument to Z32645 is a Wikidata item reference, not a Wikidata item. I've fixed it now. But I switched it so that it only adds the definite article when the Kleenean is absolutely True, more than Maybe. I hope I will be able to achieve that for Caribbean, although it doesn't currently do so. I'll keep working on it today. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 00:20, 27 March 2026 (UTC) == Editing the direct code of pages == I find the current GUI editor to be quite clunky and harder for more complex topics. I'm assuming there is some way that I can edit the code of pages, so I can more quickly write functions without clicking through GUIs. Like I heavily doubt someone wrote [[Q15433043]] by clicking through GUIs. Also, does anyone know of a function that concats two strings with a space in between? Would I just use [[wikifunctions:Z21394|Z21394]], adding a space between two calls to objects (i.e. "Mars" + " " + "Jupiter")? [[User:EatingCarBatteries|EatingCarBatteries]] ([[User talk:EatingCarBatteries|talk]]) 20:19, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :For [[Q15433043]], it looks like they just wrote it in plain English and didn't use functions, so that's why it's so long I think. For joining, [[f:Z22504]] looks like a pretty good option. [[User:Infernostars|Infernostars]] ([[User talk:Infernostars|talk]]) 20:40, 26 March 2026 (UTC) ::Thanks, that looks good. I hope more languages support it down the road. [[User:EatingCarBatteries|EatingCarBatteries]] ([[User talk:EatingCarBatteries|talk]]) 20:45, 26 March 2026 (UTC) ::When I try to insert this in a [[wikifunctions:Z28016|"defining role sentence"]], it doesn't appear and throws an error. Do you know why? [[User:EatingCarBatteries|EatingCarBatteries]] ([[User talk:EatingCarBatteries|talk]]) 20:51, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :There are several, but I think they are best left to language-specific functions on Wikifunctions. How do you know that a space is required? [[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 20:42, 26 March 2026 (UTC) ::For example, in [[Q711|Mongolia]], I would like to write "Ulaanbaatar is the capital and largest city of Mongolia". As of now, I would have to write that in two separate sentences and be very repetitive. [[User:EatingCarBatteries|EatingCarBatteries]] ([[User talk:EatingCarBatteries|talk]]) 20:46, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::There’s a long journey ahead of us. At this stage I’d be thinking more in terms of [[f:Z32163]]. At least that way we can join adjacent sentences more naturally, when we have appropriate functions to do that. And we can implement “paragraph” differently according to the target language, without having to change the existing abstract content. [[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 21:07, 26 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Yeah that's what I expected, the project has just started after all. Thanks for this. ::::How are you finding these functions? I'm having trouble locating them. Also, is there a way that I can copy and paste functions from one article to another in the case of cookie-cutter articles? [[User:EatingCarBatteries|EatingCarBatteries]] ([[User talk:EatingCarBatteries|talk]]) 21:45, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::You can copy individual function calls in edit mode. Just click on the three vertical dots and select Copy to clipboard. This is currently specific to a particular browser and site, so you cannot copy between Wikifunctions and AW. You can also copy parts of calls by clicking on the three horizontal dots [[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 22:26, 26 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::Great, I didn't see that, thank you! So there is no current way to edit the underlying code of the page? [[User:EatingCarBatteries|EatingCarBatteries]] ([[User talk:EatingCarBatteries|talk]]) 22:35, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::It depends what you mean by “underlying code”. All articles are a list of one or more sections containing function calls. You can add and remove sections (apart from the first) and move sections up and down. Within a section, you can move function calls up and down, but you can only move a function call (or part of one) from one section to another by using the clipboard. The real underlying code is the functions themselves, and these can be amended on Wikifunctions. [[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 22:44, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::For tips on finding functions, please see [[:f:Wikifunctions:Find]]. It is also helpful to look at other AW articles, of course. On Wikifunctions, you can look at a related function’s implementations or test cases, as these may reference broader or narrower functions. And “What links here” is available from the Tools menu. [[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 22:38, 26 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::Thank you very much for you help. I think that's all I need to know for now, happy editing :) [[User:EatingCarBatteries|EatingCarBatteries]] ([[User talk:EatingCarBatteries|talk]]) 23:07, 26 March 2026 (UTC) == Code editing == I created and am attempting to edit [[Q687168]]. It is difficult to figure out what is going on because I am stuck at a visual editor. I would like to play around with comparing it to code on other pages, but the visual thing makes that pretty difficult. Also is there a way to edit things in a sandbox or something so I can experiment without it being in mainspace? [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 23:25, 27 March 2026 (UTC) :Code-based (as in, the underlying form articles are stored in, which was temporarily visible due to a bug when the wiki was just being set up) editing is currently not possible, and I'm not sure if the development team has any plan to implement it (cc {{ping|Jdforrester (WMF)}}). As for your issue, you should not be using a literal string, but a function call instead, which allows you to use one of the functions on Wikifunctions (how to pictured). Though the project is in its early days, a general guide on creating articles is available at [[Help:How to create an article]] with links to other helpful pages. As for sandboxes, you can subscribe to the [[phab:T421417| task on Phabricator]] if you have an account there. [[File:Set literal string to function call guide, Abstract Wikipedia.png|thumb|How to convert to function call]] [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 00:40, 28 March 2026 (UTC) ::Well I really hope that they implement code editing because wikidata is okay since it only has properties. But these functions are just too much. I feel like I should be able to relatively easily take code from one article and put it on another one. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 02:58, 28 March 2026 (UTC) :::You can use the copying feature! If you click the 3 dots next to a function call you get an option to copy, which you can then paste elsewhere using the same 3 dots. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 03:06, 28 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Thank you. I do not think that this is the best alternative, but it is better [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 18:50, 28 March 2026 (UTC) == Put this on ice == How are non-English speakers (who this project is specifically for) meant to develop this wiki's practices and policies if a) all project pages are only available in English, and discussion is largely done in English, and b) there's no attempt to get non-en.wiki communities onboard. At present this looks like it's just going to produce Anglocentric/Eurocentric content, which belies the whole point of having a wiki in one's native language. Yes it's early days and everyone is experimenting and bug-fixing, but the project has already been released to community control, with a predominantly English-speaking/European community. This needs to be put on ice until it can be launched properly with multilingual support and invitations to all wikis, particularly smaller ones. [[User:Kowal2701|Kowal2701]] ([[User talk:Kowal2701|talk]]) 11:44, 28 March 2026 (UTC) :Just because it's not perfect doesn't mean it needs to be shut down. These are all gradual processes. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 15:58, 28 March 2026 (UTC) ::There’s being "not perfect" where things can be improved at a later date, and then there's having antithetical foundations. Also see [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(WMF)#c-Warudo-20260327114000-Warudo-20260327113600] re functions. [[User:Kowal2701|Kowal2701]] ([[User talk:Kowal2701|talk]]) 16:15, 28 March 2026 (UTC) :::You haven't named a single thing that can't be improved at a later date. We're hoping to be able to translate project pages. Non-enwiki communities can be gotten on board later. Function generation already works multilingually in many cases, and those where it does not can be improved. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 16:57, 28 March 2026 (UTC) ::::When the practices and policies will have already been developed, and informal positions of authority already filled. [[User:Kowal2701|Kowal2701]] ([[User talk:Kowal2701|talk]]) 17:04, 28 March 2026 (UTC) :::::@[[User:Kowal2701|Kowal2701]] Thank you for your concerns. We are already aiming at less-served communities through specific calls to action to create more language functions and abstract content in their language. Just give the time to actually see these changes happen. Cheers, [[User:Sannita (WMF)|Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 18:55, 28 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::Hi Sannita, I'm just wondering how are AW project pages planned to be translated in the future? Is there going to be use of some kind of automated tool such as DeepL or Google Translate, or will it be a custom-designed system? [[User:EatingCarBatteries|EatingCarBatteries]] ([[User talk:EatingCarBatteries|talk]]) 20:39, 28 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::@[[User:EatingCarBatteries|EatingCarBatteries]] We will enable the Translate extension soon, so everyone will be able to translate project pages into their own languages. Sorry for keeping you waiting on this. [[User:Sannita (WMF)|Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 10:41, 29 March 2026 (UTC) :@[[User:Kowal2701|Kowal2701]]: thank you for your concern and suggestion. When this Beta started, we have immediately [[:f:Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-03-19|mentioned that there might be the possibility of restarting the project]]. So that might indeed happen. :But so far, this early start of the not fully polished project allows us to learn so incredibly much. In the last few days we have learned so much more than we would have been able without the launch in months! And it helps us to focus on where to put our limited resources, so that we can make the overall project better quicker than would have been possible otherwise. From that perspective, this has been quite a success. :I am trying to understand your suggestion: what do you think would need to be in place before a possible relaunch? Which requirements would need to be met? --[[User:DVrandecic (WMF)|DVrandecic (WMF)]] ([[User talk:DVrandecic (WMF)|talk]]) 13:53, 29 March 2026 (UTC) ::Thank you, I wasn't aware of that. Some uninformed thoughts below. ::Re communication: ideally people would communicate using functions, and there'd be some kind of visual editor where people type in their native language and it gets translated into functions, but I realise that's a pipe dream. Something that allows people who don't have a mutual language to communicate is imo necessary, maybe there could be a tool that machine translates comments. Machine translation ''sucks'', but so long as people get the gist of what is being said, that'd be better than nothing. I dread to think what disputes would be like though. ::Re invitations, idk what has already been done, but I would've thought now would the time to get some people from smaller wikis editing and experimenting, just an invitation on a wiki's main noticeboard would probably do the trick (is there a [[meta:MassMessage]] service for updates re Abstract wiki that could be recommended?). Then a central or watchlist notice for the actual launch, hopefully by which time there'd already be a small group of editors able to assist the influx of newbies. An intuitive tutorial is also necessary, as well as an intuitive version of [[f:Wikifunctions:Catalogue]]. [[User:Kowal2701|Kowal2701]] ([[User talk:Kowal2701|talk]]) 18:14, 29 March 2026 (UTC) :::What do you think about boilerplate templates. So writing a sentence and then marking the parts of the sentence what can be derived from Wikidataitems or the lexeme linked to it. This seems to me like an realistic approach for making it easier to contribute. I am happy you wrote about the predominantly English-speaking/European community involved in this project. It seems like it is different to contribute so far and I had the expectation people from small language versions come on their own and contribute also if they dont speak English. So far it seems to be not the case and I hope it will be easier to contribute. I think for the beginning the goal of Abstract Wikipedia should be generating sentences based on data. So supporting small language versions should be not the goal of the first phase as it seems to take some time and improvements of the structures to make it easier to contribute. Sharing the work and offering people help with creating an function for an specific sentence can be a important way of getting more content in Abstract Wikipedia. Maybe it is unrealistic to find a huge number of people who are interested in writing functions who generate text. [[User:Hogü-456|Hogü-456]] ([[User talk:Hogü-456|talk]]) 20:58, 29 March 2026 (UTC) :::[[Abstract Wikipedia:Useful functions for article composition]] is already available, as is [[Help:How to create an article]], but they are not perfect. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 22:05, 29 March 2026 (UTC) :Wikidata has a project chat in many languages. We can do that in the future. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 14:28, 16 April 2026 (UTC) ::Anyone can write on this page in any language. Personally, I’d prefer to see the original and get it translated into English rather than trying to make sense of a poor machine translation without even knowing which language the original was in. For the same reason, I would generally reply in English. [[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 23:18, 16 April 2026 (UTC) == Gendered languages == I've created [[Q79097672]], an article for a woman singer. In gendered languages however, it defaults to using masculine words. An example: in Portuguese, it reads "Arlo Parks é um cantor", when it should be "Arlo Parks é uma cantora". Is there any fix to this? [[User:Skyshifter|Skyshifter]] ([[User talk:Skyshifter|talk]]) 23:49, 28 March 2026 (UTC) :Yes. But each language is handled separately. I think Italian is doing it. German was started but got stuck… it should be working here soon. [[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 00:48, 29 March 2026 (UTC) ::Italian is not doing it. It is just a happy coincidence that for some reason "cantante" is always treated as feminine (I have to investigate why). [[User:Dv103|Dv103]] ([[User talk:Dv103|talk]]) 19:59, 7 April 2026 (UTC) == Why don't we just structure this with wikitemplates? == I feel like the project could be done a lot better by using templates kind of like how wikipedia does them. Just the entire thing is templates that can be rendered in many languages. So like [[Q106289265]] would have the content \{\{Z26039|Q7257\}\}\ and could even have some aliasing done across languages so it could be \{\{subject is|Q7257\}\}\. Code would be editable with a regular visual editor or code editor. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 04:34, 29 March 2026 (UTC) :This is available in pages when Parsoid rendering is enabled. We don't use this becuase it doesn't make sense for constructing and editing massive articles. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 21:37, 29 March 2026 (UTC) ::How do you do parsoid rendering? And why wouldn't it make sense? With aliases and everything could work great. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 23:12, 29 March 2026 (UTC) :::I believe it is enabled by default. If you do have it on: {{#function:Z10000|you'll s|ee this}} [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 14:54, 30 March 2026 (UTC) == Automatically querying wikidata == Is it possible in the future for this project to have things that automatically query wikidata? Like an infobox that gives people's spouses, or a function that queries a specific property on wikidata [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 20:10, 29 March 2026 (UTC) :Yes, that is the long term goal. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 21:37, 29 March 2026 (UTC) ::What’s “long term” about it? We already have functions that query specific properties on Wikidata, [[f:Z32431]] being a simple example. A list of spouses seems like a fairly simple function too, although there might be performance issues if there are a lot of spouses. [[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 22:01, 31 March 2026 (UTC) :I had exactly this question. One of the example here is [[Q1033]] where I read "Nigeria is the most populous country in Africa.". The problem is that this concept is hard-coded. What if its population will decrease and it will become the second-most populous country? [[User:Wiso|Wiso]] ([[User talk:Wiso|talk]]) 08:21, 20 April 2026 (UTC) == Searching for other namespaces in the search bar == Something that has always irked me with Wikidata, Wikifunctions, and now Abstract Wiki is that there are no search suggestions when you are searching in other namespaces in the search bar. For example, if I were to type "Abstract Wikipedia:", nothing shows up. Whereas on enwiki, you can do this just fine. Is this because these sites are using a more "modified" version of MediaWiki? [[User:EatingCarBatteries|EatingCarBatteries]] ([[User talk:EatingCarBatteries|talk]]) 04:38, 30 March 2026 (UTC) :I also find this very annoying. I'm not sure if there's anything that can be done about it or if it is a result of technical limitations ({{ping|Jdforrester (WMF)}}?). [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 04:41, 30 March 2026 (UTC) ::@[[User:EatingCarBatteries|EatingCarBatteries]], @[[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]]: The search interface indeed is designed to only search the Wikidata concepts that would take up the main namespace. This is conceptually the same as the search on Wikidata.org. We'd welcome Phabricator tasks for ideas on how to additionally provide wikitext community page search, though implementing that might not be a priority. [[User:Jdforrester (WMF)|Jdforrester (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Jdforrester (WMF)|talk]]) 12:11, 30 March 2026 (UTC) :::Hint: don’t use the Search bar… :::When it is empty, click the adjacent Search button. This takes you to the Search page. :::Type the namespace with final colon. You are prompted with available pages and the prompt is refined as you type. :::Click a page title in the suggestions or click Search for a full search in the entered namespace. :::A search with just a namespace will return no results. A search with a partial identifier will work only [[Special:Search/Talk:Q1*|with an appended asterisk]] (delete the asterisk to see page suggestions). [[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 13:11, 30 March 2026 (UTC) == List articles == I am interested in creating list articles ([[:de:Liste_der_Naturdenkmale_im_Bezirk_Mitte|like this one]]). But I have no idea what it needs and how to start. [[User:GPSLeo|GPSLeo]] ([[User talk:GPSLeo|talk]]) 19:58, 30 March 2026 (UTC) :An example I've created that you can copy and adapt is [[Q11750]]. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 01:27, 3 April 2026 (UTC) == Logo == In vector2009 and monobook, the logo shows as the standard enwiki logo. Which is confusing as this is technically a whole other sisterproject. I suggest [[:File:Wikipedia-logo-blank.svg|this]] be used as a temporary logo for these skins. [[User:Kinopiko|Kinopiko]] ([[User talk:Kinopiko|talk]]) 06:00, 31 March 2026 (UTC) :There's also the scalable favicon, [[commons:File:Abstract-Wikipedia-favicon.svg|Abstract-Wikipedia-favicon.svg]] [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 01:54, 3 April 2026 (UTC) :This still appears to be as of yet unfixed. I understand this wiki is still very early in its lifespan so I'm not particularly miffed about it, it looking identical due to the logo is rather confusing at first but with separation with tab groups in my browser it becomes manageable. I am personally excited to see what logo(s) will be devised for this project; seeing the same thing happen for the other sister projects has been very fun to watch in the past. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 21:49, 20 April 2026 (UTC) == Extra spaces between sentences == There should be no spaces between two sentences of Chinese and Japanese. —[[User:内存溢出的猫|内存溢出的猫]] ([[User talk:内存溢出的猫|talk]]) 12:38, 2 April 2026 (UTC) :I'm not sure how we plan to handle this. I'll bring it up on the Telegram/IRC. This applies to Korean too, yes? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 01:28, 3 April 2026 (UTC) {{tracked|T}} :Please link to the corresponding Phabricator ticket when it’s raised. (Or I will, when I raise it). I think the technical issue is that the space is inserted between function calls. There may be two, but HTML reduces their appearance to one, which is one too many for certain languages. [[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 08:58, 3 April 2026 (UTC) ::No, your sentences should not be individual fragments. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 02:40, 11 April 2026 (UTC) == community curation of abstract articles of the week/month/etc. == [[wikifunctions:wikifunctions talk:status updates/2026-03-26#Move Status Updates to Abstract Wikipedia?|this thread]] at WF mentions that WMF staff are refraining from content decisions at Abstract Wikipedia; so I thought that it might be a good idea to figure out if and how there will be editathons here focussed on a selection of articles. — [[user:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[user talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 20:38, 2 April 2026 (UTC) : I would support this. — [[user:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[user talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 01:29, 3 April 2026 (UTC) : now I notice [[abstract:featured article]] in the same category as the project chat, so there's a location for a related concept already! (coming at it the other direction: recognizing already good articles versus barnraising that quality) — [[user:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[user talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 01:48, 3 April 2026 (UTC) ::I think it will be quite a while before we can support a “good” article, let a “featured” one. At this stage, I’d settle for “technically interesting”, to include “of archaeological interest” (like the first use of a particular function or function-call pattern). [[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 08:51, 3 April 2026 (UTC) :::one goal could be to make stubs and grow them for the basic concepts underlying Abstract Wikipedia, in an attempt to self-document. [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 02:45, 7 April 2026 (UTC) == JSON format == The JSON format for Wikifunctions is described at [[:f:Wikifunctions:Function model]]. Is there such a documentation page for Abstract Wikipedia? [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 15:19, 2 April 2026 (UTC) :I imagine that it would be identical? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 02:39, 11 April 2026 (UTC) ::No, they aren't. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 02:50, 11 April 2026 (UTC) :::Oh, I see, you're talking about the underlying text format? That isn't and (from what I've gathered, though {{ping|Jdforrester (WMF)}} didn't respond last time I pinged him) will never be editable by users. The function model where the calls are actually made is identical to Wikifunctions. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 15:36, 11 April 2026 (UTC) ::::I'm not asking whether it's editable. I'm asking whether there is a page that documents what it is. ::::The JSON of the function calls is perhaps the same as Wikifunctions compositions, but there are also other things there, which are not the same as Wikifunctions. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 22:40, 11 April 2026 (UTC) :::::I'm saying that I'm not sure why you'd ''need'' or ''want'' to understand it if you can't edit it and it doesn't impact the user experience in any way. Is there a specific problem that you are running into? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 00:28, 12 April 2026 (UTC) ::::::I'm a very curious person. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 01:19, 12 April 2026 (UTC) :This is an example JSON of an Abstract Wikipedia article, with only the [[f:Z801|Echo function]], if you're curious: { "qid": "Q27318", "sections": { "Q8776414": { "index": 0, "fragments": [ "Z89", { "Z1K1": "Z7", "Z7K1": "Z801" } ] } } }. :The base has two key value pairs, "qid" and "sections". "sections" currently only contains one key-value pair as of now, [[d:Q8776414]], aka lead section. "fragments" is where the Wikifunctions compositions are stored. I have no idea what "index" is. [[User:ChaoticVermillion|<span style="color: orangered">Chaotic</span><span style="color: crimson">Vermillion</span>]] ([[User talk:ChaoticVermillion|converse]], [[Special:Contributions/ChaoticVermillion|contribs]]) 02:35, 12 April 2026 (UTC) ::Yes, that's what I see. I can make educated guesses about those things, but if possible, I'd prefer to read an official reference documentation page. The one about Wikifunctions is fairly good. The one about Abstracts Wikipedia doesn't seem to exist. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 03:25, 12 April 2026 (UTC) :::I think the reason there's no documentation is that it's merely a curiosity, whereas the mainspace of the wiki is barely functional right now. Perhaps we'll get one later, or whenever/if ever we get the ability to edit it? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 19:09, 12 April 2026 (UTC) ::Just to clarify (?), index is 0! I believe it can only be 0 at present, at least through the user interface, and I imagine [[:phab:T411699|this ticket]] is to allow a non-zero index to be set and modified (so long as it is positive and, in all likelihood, sequential). [[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 14:00, 12 April 2026 (UTC) :Not yet. I think such a page on Abstract Wikipedia would be for the community to create and maintain. I don’t know how [[:phab:maniphest/graph/411686|these things]] are decided upon, but I don’t see a task that would cover technical documentation of any kind. :The development team will no doubt respond with enthusiasm to any questions from the community on matters of technical detail, but I’d be inclined to let such interactions be led by the needs of on-wiki documentation, rather than a proliferation of Phabricator tasks and Project-chat topics. :Shall we ask once on [[Abstract Wikipedia talk:Frequently Asked Questions]] and see which questions should count among the frequently-asked? [[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 13:37, 12 April 2026 (UTC) ::@[[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]], this is quite definitely something that the extension developers are supposed to create and maintain. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 20:32, 12 April 2026 (UTC) :::Not as content on this wiki, was my point. Here, I suggest, we should reference any relevant technical documentation from whichever pages we, as a community, choose to create for such a purpose. [[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 23:06, 12 April 2026 (UTC) ::::I don't care very much where it is. I'd just like to read it. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 23:25, 12 April 2026 (UTC) :@[[User:Amire80|Amire80]]: The Wikifunctions function model is documented (alongside its two JSON forms) because we anticipate people would (and should) build tools using it directly. Conversely, the vague expectation ("plan" would be too strong at this point) for Abstract Wikipedia, on the other hand, is that we'll provide APIs to interact with the content, but its serialisation will change over time as features are added to better support the Abstract Wikipedia community's wishes. :For a concrete example (''not a commitment!'') of how the serialisation might change, whilst the system kept working as before, we might in the future add a top-level concept for an abstract article's infobox, which would be shown, edited, and stored apart from the rest of the article's sections, and used differently downstream. [[User:Jdforrester (WMF)|Jdforrester (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Jdforrester (WMF)|talk]]) 19:27, 12 April 2026 (UTC) == Bot request == {{Tracked|T421151}} Can someone smarter than me please create a bot that connects local items to Wikidata equivalents? Right now, we are growing and there are [[Special:UnconnectedPages|hundreds of unconnected pages]] here that are just 1:1 main namespace entries that have identical names at [[:d:]]. I have connected several of these, but this seems like a very inefficient and silly thing to do manually. Can someone help here by making a bot that checks [[Special:UnconnectedPages]] regularly or even [[Special:NewPages]] and connects pages? [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 06:17, 3 April 2026 (UTC) :This doesn't sound like something that should be a bot, but like something more automatic and built-in. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 11:27, 3 April 2026 (UTC) ::@[[User:Amire80|Amire80]] and [[User:Koavf|Koavf]]: Would a bot be a good idea in the interim period before that can be added to the software? [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 14:31, 3 April 2026 (UTC) :::Yes, please. Granted, Amir, doing it automatically would be nice, but that feature doesn't exist. Until then, a bot would be very helpful and seems like it would be very difficult to cause problems. [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 14:57, 3 April 2026 (UTC) ::::@[[User:Amire80|Amire80]] and [[User:Koavf|Koavf]]: I've written some code for this purpose [[gitlab:toolforge-repos/jjpmaster-bot-wd-t1|here]]. <code>Retrospective.py</code> is meant to be run once, and would connect all existing pages (once the trial run is over). <code>Prospective.py</code> would run once daily and connect any pages that have been created since the previous day. That is, until the Phabricator ticket is resolved, obviously. [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 21:42, 3 April 2026 (UTC) :::::Boss. I'm so glad that you're smarter than me. [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 03:25, 4 April 2026 (UTC) :::::{{ping|JJPMaster}} You might want to use <syntaxhighlight lang="python" inline>{ 'action': 'query', 'list': 'querypage', 'qppage': 'UnconnectedPages' }</syntaxhighlight> instead. That way, you won't have to maintain two scripts. [[User:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|<span class="skin-invert" style="color:black;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:110%;font-weight:normal;line-height:normal">NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh</span>]] 03:58, 4 April 2026 (UTC) ::::::@[[User:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh]]: This is [[gitlab:toolforge-repos/jjpmaster-bot-wd-t1/-/commit/415688aa6f9e1dcbafa21a8b3249899c07f298e9|done]]. [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 05:01, 4 April 2026 (UTC) :::::::{{ping|JJPMaster}} One more problem: You seem to be linking non-mainspace pages as well. Don't forget to check <syntaxhighlight lang="python" inline>page['ns']</syntaxhighlight>. Also, why <syntaxhighlight lang="python" inline>if(i > 2): break</syntaxhighlight>? [[User:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|<span class="skin-invert" style="color:black;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:110%;font-weight:normal;line-height:normal">NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh</span>]] 05:27, 4 April 2026 (UTC) ::::::::@[[User:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh]]: The <code>if not qid.startswith("Q")</code> bit was supposed to address the namespace problem. The break statement is for the trial of the bot. The integer in the if statement will change once the request is made. [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 17:04, 4 April 2026 (UTC) :::::::::{{ping|JJPMaster}} [[Special:UnconnectedPages]] results are ordered by namespace, so checking for <syntaxhighlight lang="python" inline>page['ns']</syntaxhighlight> will also help prevent unnecessary iterations. [[User:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|<span class="skin-invert" style="color:black;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:110%;font-weight:normal;line-height:normal">NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh</span>]] 19:54, 4 April 2026 (UTC) :::@[[User:Amire80|Amire80]], [[User:Koavf|Koavf]], and [[User:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh]]: Is a Wikidata BRFA in order at this time? [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 05:03, 4 April 2026 (UTC) ::::{{ping|JJPMaster}} Go ahead, please. [[User:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|<span class="skin-invert" style="color:black;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:110%;font-weight:normal;line-height:normal">NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh</span>]] 05:25, 4 April 2026 (UTC) :::::See [[d:Wikidata:Requests for permissions/Bot/JJPMaster (bot)]]. [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 18:00, 4 April 2026 (UTC) == Wikifunctions & Abstract Wikipedia Newsletter #242 is out: Request for Discussion: Syntactic tables == There is [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-04-02|a new update]] for Abstract Wikipedia and Wikifunctions. Please, come and read it! In this issue, we introduce a proposal for Natural Language Generation, we introduce a page for function suggestions from Abstract Wikipedia, we inform you that there will be a presentation about Abstract Wikipedia at WikiCon Australia, and we take a look at the latest software developments. Want to catch up with the previous updates? Check [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates|our archive]]! Also, we remind you that if you have questions or ideas to discuss, the next '''Volunteers' Corner''' will be held on '''[https://zonestamp.toolforge.org/1776101400 April 13, at 17:30 UTC]''' ([https://meet.google.com/xuy-njxh-rkw link to the meeting]). Enjoy the reading! -- [[User:Sannita (WMF)|User:Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 13:37, 3 April 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Sannita (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Wikifunctions_%26_Abstract_Wikipedia&oldid=30325620 --> == Way to specify population == Hi! I was wondering if there was a function to specify the population of a place, possibly resembling the following: :N X live in Y. N would be the population size, X would be what comprises the population (e.g., humans, frogs, etc.), and Y would be the location. [[User:Babelball|Babelball]] ([[User talk:Babelball|talk]]) 15:43, 3 April 2026 (UTC) :I don't believe we do. Thinking about it now, we should probably have a page where users can request linguistic functions in a more viable format than [[f:WF:Suggest a function]]. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 02:39, 11 April 2026 (UTC) == The problem of when "X is a Y" and Y is a phrase == Consider [[Q486972]], whose second sentence is supposed to be "A human settlement is a populated place," generated using the "Article-ful instantiating fragment" function. However, it fails, because the implementation [[f:Z23414|Z23414]] inherently checks for a lexeme linked to the superclass ("[[D:Q123964505|populated place]]"). However, since "populated place" is a phrase whose meaning is reducible to the sum of its parts, there is no lexeme for it. Therefore, it's virtually impossible to say "An X is a Y" where Y is a non-idiomatic phrase. Additionally, languages with grammatical gender are rendered particularly problematic. Consider [[Q6636]]. The first sentence of this article renders perfectly fine in English: "Homosexuality is a sexual orientation." However, it does not render at all in Spanish. That's because that language's NLG functions use lexicographic data to determine the gender of the phrase "sexual orientation." As there are no such data available for that phrase, it errors out. I did think about using [[f:Z29743|Z29743]] (description of class with adjective and superclass) instead, but that didn't work, since there's no item linked to the adjective "sexual"! Any ideas for how to avoid this? [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 00:21, 4 April 2026 (UTC) :We'd the co-operation of Wikidata contributors here, I think. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 02:37, 11 April 2026 (UTC) == I made a desktop app that helps with editing == [[file:Abstract Wikipedia Editor v4.1.0.png|thumb|alt=screenshot|now there's a screenshot available]] I made a desktop app that helps with creating and editing Abstract Wikipedia pages. It pulls data from wikidata to form templates that it makes into wikitext, and it can round-trip articles into and from the wikitext. Here it is [[User:Immanuelle/Abstract Wikipedia Editor]]. I hope that it helps with editing. — [[user:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[user talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 00:51, 6 April 2026 (UTC) : I've created [[Abstract Wikipedia:Tools]] for tracking these things. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 14:44, 7 April 2026 (UTC) : @[[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] But the main namespace is not for wikitext. Are you publishing this content there anyway? <span style="color:#EAA">♥</span>[[User:Ainali|Ainali]] <small>^{[[User talk:Ainali|discussion]]}_{[[Special:Contributions/Ainali|contributions]]}</small> 15:05, 7 April 2026 (UTC) :: It's not actual wikitext. It's a custom template syntax that's kind of like wikitext, which gets converted into abstract content when you press "Push to Abstract Wikipedia." [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 16:57, 7 April 2026 (UTC) ::: @[[User:Ainali|Ainali]]@[[User:JJPMaster|JJPMaster]] if you have syntax suggestions I am interested. I was in a rush with implementing this, and I want to in the future implement aliases for wikifunctions and possibly items, so that you can type things out yourself. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 19:53, 7 April 2026 (UTC) ::: Ah, I see. IT was just the announcement that was ambiguous then. <span style="color:#EAA">♥</span>[[User:Ainali|Ainali]] <small>^{[[User talk:Ainali|discussion]]}_{[[Special:Contributions/Ainali|contributions]]}</small> 20:03, 7 April 2026 (UTC) : FYI anything made by a clanker AI robot is not "made by you." Thank you for your attention to this matter. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 15:18, 7 April 2026 (UTC) :: Who, then? [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 20:16, 7 April 2026 (UTC) ::: The clanker AI robot. [[User:Babelball|Babelball]] ([[User talk:Babelball|talk]]) 16:42, 8 April 2026 (UTC) :::: I edited the Wikidata page for the tool to mention Claude. [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 21:35, 8 April 2026 (UTC) ::::: FYI that LLM-generated code is not eligible for copyright, and therefore the MIT license by extension. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 17:59, 9 April 2026 (UTC) :::::: I think the statements that Wikidata could make are limited by what references can be found. [https://docs.github.com/en/repositories/managing-your-repositorys-settings-and-features/customizing-your-repository/licensing-a-repository This help page] makes it sound as if there are limited options for expressing a repo's licensing situation, so I am not surprised that MIT should be the blanket release, even if strictly speaking some of the code contained within is ineligible for copyright, or infringes on an existing copyright (which would need to be demonstrated). But I suppose [https://cpomagazine.com/cyber-security/taking-stock-of-the-anthropic-source-code-leak-ai-agent-compromise-signals-security-issues-claude-copies-ahead-of-massive-ipo turnabout] is fair play? — [[user:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[user talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 19:53, 9 April 2026 (UTC) ::::::: @[[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] I like the idea of the wikidata content being restricted based on sources provided. I will try to implement something like this in the next release. Any ideas of which particular statements are useful and should be imported more readily? [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 20:28, 9 April 2026 (UTC) :::::::: I meant in [[d:Q138963952|the Wikidata item]] ''for'' AWE, but in general I think our articles should incorporate references early on, since even abstract content needs justification. [[d:help:sources#Language-independent general principles|This help page]] may be handy; '[[d:property:P3680|statement supported by]]' could be useful for linking to biographical articles in the manner "According to [source], [claim]" (obviously adjusted to the relevant language structures in each language for saying such things). — [[user:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[user talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 20:42, 9 April 2026 (UTC) :::::::::@[[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] oh that makes sense. But as for the wikidata sources, actually providing the sources is something that is trivially easy as far as accessing wikidata is concerned, but I am not sure how to give sources for claims in wikilambdas. Do you know how? [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 20:44, 9 April 2026 (UTC) ::::::::::I don't. Currently the distinction between content and format is unclear to me. [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 21:48, 9 April 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::@[[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] what do you mean by content vs format? [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 21:52, 9 April 2026 (UTC) ::::::::::::In the most 'abstract' sense, an article would have as irreducible parts semantic content only (from Wikidata), with syntax handled by the group of functions responsible for getting things looking right in a given target language. In practice, the overall structuring of the article largely defines or limits the syntactic structures of language produced. This is sensible for an encyclopedia which has a fairly conventional or constrained sort of prose. Of course, a web encyclopedia needs more than prose. Hence the functions for making links and formatting text (right now directly to HTML, bypassing wikitext). Although this is a MediaWiki installation, no article has had media content added to it yet, since the formatting functions that would enable that aren't in place. So I would say that content and formatting are entangled, currently. A reference could be considered either: the text that provides the sourcing of a statement, or the formatting that enables this semantic content to read as a reference, perhaps inline or as a footnote, end note, or marginal note. [[f:WF:type proposals#Representing abstract content]] has a couple RfCs about this. — [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 01:45, 10 April 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::Yeah I am very confused about what the intention of Abstract Wikipedia is and how much it lines up with the reality. I had thought that the articles would be mostly directly generated from wikidata. :::::::::::::Only particular direction I see clearly is that I think we need articles on all of these pages [[d:Wikidata:List of articles that Abstract Wikipedia should have]] since they will likely bring a lot of traffic to the site and since they have a lot of information, people will have a lot of reason to come to this site and come up with new ways of expressing things on the pages. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 04:06, 10 April 2026 (UTC) ::::::::::::::I am however really liking section headers like the one here [[Q12539]] and I am going to include them in the next release [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 04:13, 10 April 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::::Yes I think that adding sections to articles might be really the first part of the journey towards actually having somewhat readable articles. Although a lot of this is dependent on the article text actually rendering at all [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 04:21, 10 April 2026 (UTC) ::::::::::::::::Yeah I think I am getting the hang of things. Adding sections and paragraph breaks to the new versions. Denoted by ::::::::::::::::<nowiki>{{p}}</nowiki> ::::::::::::::::for a paragraph break ::::::::::::::::and ::::::::::::::::==QID== ::::::::::::::::for a subheading ::::::::::::::::All content is now generated within paragraphs, and the <nowiki>{{p}}</nowiki> splits the paragraphs up. Feeglgeef mentioned that the paragraphs are a significant accessibility feature, and the paragraphs are also easier to insert with the methods of the app. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 04:36, 10 April 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::::::I am also implementing "it" to avoid repeating the name of the article constantly, and I am implementing citation preservation on certain things.Meanwhile also trying to fix the accessibility issue that was criticized. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 05:25, 10 April 2026 (UTC) ::::::::::::::::::New release is out [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 07:42, 10 April 2026 (UTC) ::::::::::::::::::I would suggest not to use [[d:Q6091500]] at the moment. In some languages, there might be multiple words for different uses of "it". If you are editing with only the English logic, it won't help build a multilingual wiki. [[User:Sun8908|Sun8908]] ([[User talk:Sun8908|talk]]) 17:42, 11 April 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::::::::@[[User:Sun8908|Sun8908]] fair. I had thought it would be dropped in pro-drop languages but I do not think that was a reasonable assumption. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 19:47, 11 April 2026 (UTC) ::::::::::::::::::::I asked at the Monday meeting. Not sure if anything is being done about it though. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 20:15, 15 April 2026 (UTC) :Nice work. I for one don't care how you made the tool, the important part to me is how it works and if it helps me/us edit AW. [[User:So9q|So9q]] ([[User talk:So9q|talk]]) 20:23, 11 April 2026 (UTC) :[[File:AWE split paragraphs.png|thumb|Article on wheat]] {{ping|Immanuelle}} your tool is back at it again! I've asked you to test it before you use it to create a bunch of articles twice now. You, evidently, haven't listened! I understand you're probably acting in good faith, but you ''have'' to test your tool before you unleash it on the wiki. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 01:38, 18 April 2026 (UTC) ::No, I did listen. I am not sure what your objection is, but this looks like intended behaviour. I was asked to make every single sentence into its own paragraph to make it easier to debug maintaining accessibility. Previous the tool grouped many sentences into a single paragraph. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 02:49, 18 April 2026 (UTC) :::@[[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]]: You were asked to make each actual paragraph into a call of the "paragraph" function. You were not asked to make every individual sentence a paragraph. That is probably even less accessible than what we started with. [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 03:06, 18 April 2026 (UTC) ::::The content itself needs refining. As it is, most articles have no value-added over the Wikidata triples plus labels; basically just slight readability improvements. We require complex structures sooner rather than later. [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 03:08, 18 April 2026 (UTC) ::::I thought that the rule was that we put every single sentence into a paragraph of its own because text readers need a paragraph to read the text. We cannot debug things if there are multiple sentences within a paragraph, because these sentences go up to the top and make it so that the paragraph itself fails to render. ::::So this was specifically an accessibility concern for people who are visually impaired, with an accepted reduction in readability for people with regular vision so that it can also be debugged. ::::Like this: ::::{{quote| ::::What we might try is wrapping each sentence as a paragraph, with occasional pairing of closely related sentences. That keeps failure isolated while preserving at least some natural flow. ::::We could consider also implementing a “sentence” or “content unit” function that simply calls “paragraph”, so we can later tell where the intended paragraphs are.}} [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 04:11, 18 April 2026 (UTC) :::::We need to import the quote template [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 04:12, 18 April 2026 (UTC) :Does anybody want any other changes to be made to this tool? Things are still relatively up in the air about what an optimum article even is, and as a result it kind of makes us limited in what we can do with it. I'm changing the way that the paragraphs work to fit what I now perceive as the consensus. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 18:11, 18 April 2026 (UTC) : I tried to run it on macOS 14.5, but it errored out when I clicked "Pull from Wikidata." It appears that this was because you hardcoded your Python path. <code>Error: Error invoking remote method 'generate-wikitext': Error: spawn C:/Users/Immanuelle/AppData/Local/Programs/Python/Python313/python.exe ENOENT</code> — [[user:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[user talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[special:contribs/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 11:56, 6 April 2026 (UTC) :: For the record, the solution is to go into <code>src/main.ts</code> and change the Python path to something other than <code>C:/Users/Immanuelle/...</code> — [[user:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[user talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[special:contribs/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 12:05, 6 April 2026 (UTC) : TYSM!! I did have to debug the code a little first to get it working, but this will be so helpful for me. — [[user:ChaoticVermillion|<span style="color: orangered">Chaotic</span><span style="color: crimson">Vermillion</span>]] ([[user talk:ChaoticVermillion|converse]], [[special:contribs/ChaoticVermillion|contribs]]) 11:59, 6 April 2026 (UTC) :: I am so sorry and I fixed it so the new release should avoid that problem in the future. — [[user:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[user talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 17:55, 6 April 2026 (UTC) ::: @[[User:ChaoticVermillion|ChaoticVermillion]] btw there is an update that has a lot more functions and I am not sure if you are using it. The new one allows you to undo edits or restore revisions. Something that I cannot figure out how to do in regular Abstract Wikipedia. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 17:55, 8 April 2026 (UTC) == Wikiprojects == Are there wiki projects here? Can I just make some in this namespace? [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 15:12, 10 April 2026 (UTC) :I don't see why not. It's a wiki, after all :). Please just don't flood the talkspace with templates that don't exist. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 16:51, 10 April 2026 (UTC) ::I've created a first Wikiproject ([[Abstract Wikipedia:WikiProject Core articles]]) and an explainer page ([[Abstract Wikipedia:WikiProject]]). [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 17:11, 10 April 2026 (UTC) :::I made this one too [[Abstract Wikipedia:WikiProject Quality Prose]] [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 18:39, 10 April 2026 (UTC) ::{{ping|Feeglgeef}} Are WikiProjects for specific languages OK? Responsibility seems to be stretched between maintaining Wikidata labels and lexemes alongside creating and maintaining functions on Wikifunctions, so I'm unsure if Abstract Wikipedia would be considered a good place to coordinate these things. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 21:56, 20 April 2026 (UTC) :::There's no community consensus for or against, so, since this is a wiki, I don't see any reason why anyone would stop you :). [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 23:46, 20 April 2026 (UTC) == Wikifunctions & Abstract Wikipedia Newsletter #243 is out: Community proposals for capturing meaning == There is [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-04-10|a new update]] for Abstract Wikipedia and Wikifunctions. Please, come and read it! In this issue, we report on three community proposals on syntactic approaches, we introduce a new Type (Complex numbers), we report on current hiccups on Abstract Wikipedia, we share more information about a presentation about Abstract Wikipedia at WikiCon Australia, and we take a look at the latest software developments. Want to catch up with the previous updates? Check [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates|our archive]]! Also, we remind you that if you have questions or ideas to discuss, the next '''Volunteers' Corner''' will be held on '''[https://zonestamp.toolforge.org/1776101400 April 13, at 17:30 UTC]''' ([https://meet.google.com/xuy-njxh-rkw link to the meeting]). Enjoy the reading! -- [[User:Sannita (WMF)|User:Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 15:35, 10 April 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Sannita (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Wikifunctions_%26_Abstract_Wikipedia&oldid=30325620 --> == Numerous errors have been introduced, possibly due to the "AWE" tool == As [[User:Fram|Fram]] has [[w:Wikipedia:Village_pump_(WMF)#c-Fram-20260410163000-Fram-20260408131600|pointed out]] over on the English Wikipedia in his usual style, [[User:Immanuelle]] has been breaking pages such as [[Q711]] with edits such as [[Special:Diff/4383]]. I was able to [[Special:Diff/4415|fix this]] by changing "it" to Wikidata item reference in "defining role sentence". @[[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]]: Judging by your edit history, you have introduced this error to a lot of pages. Before continuing with your work to make the rest of the articles from your list, [[d:Wikidata:List of articles that Abstract Wikipedia should have]], I kindly ask you to fix the pages you've already made. [[User:Warudo|Warudo]] ([[User talk:Warudo|talk]]) 17:16, 10 April 2026 (UTC) :This is, of course, what happens when you use a slop-machine to write code. See existing discussion on [[User talk:Immanuelle/Abstract Wikipedia Editor#Creates inaccessible content]]. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 17:19, 10 April 2026 (UTC) ::@[[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] I thought you wanted everything nested in the paragraph things. That's why I did that, following your request that you linked to. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 17:45, 10 April 2026 (UTC) :::I know. In the future, can you test whatever the slop-machine gives you ''on-wiki'' to ensure you don't mass-vandalize it again? Thank you! [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 17:52, 10 April 2026 (UTC) ::::@[[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] the problem I faced is that I do not know how to actually understand error messages on this wiki. When every page fails to render, it is very difficult to know if I introduced an error, or the program introduced an error. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 18:18, 10 April 2026 (UTC) :::::@[[User:Warudo|Warudo]] I guess my question for you would be how did you figure out that this was an error on the page? [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 18:19, 10 April 2026 (UTC) ::::::That's a fair question. The way things are now you can't be sure if the error is because of technical issues with the site or a bad page. In this case it was rather easy though. The "dependency" parameter of [[f:Z28016]] expects a reference to a Wikidata item but you passed the string "it" to it. That is an obvious mistake so it was easy to tell that it's not a random error. [[User:Warudo|Warudo]] ([[User talk:Warudo|talk]]) 19:23, 10 April 2026 (UTC) :::::::That makes sense. I will try to be a lot more careful with error detection in the future. Hopefully the technical issues with the site are fixed and I can see the content issues more soon [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 20:08, 10 April 2026 (UTC) ::::I suggest that “vandalize” is an inappropriate choice of word in this case. Whatever your feelings about the quality of the code or the care with which it is being deployed, I think you could manage to assume good faith on the part of a fellow contributor. Thank you. ::::At a technical level, there is an issue with simply bracketing multiple calls together to yield a paragraph, since a failure in any one call will lead to the loss of the whole paragraph. In [[:f:Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-03-26]], the advice given was: ::::::“By the way, here’s one tip: currently, caching for Abstract Wikipedia happens on the level of the “fragment”. This means that by putting several sentences into a single paragraph, the paragraph as a whole is being run, may cause time-outs, and will be cached. Instead, if, for now, you put one sentence into each fragment, caching and evaluation can be more spread out and should allow for more content.” ::::[[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 19:00, 10 April 2026 (UTC) :::::@[[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] would you suggest removing the paragraph by default behavior in the editor over this? [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 19:50, 10 April 2026 (UTC) ::::::What we might try is wrapping each sentence as a paragraph, with occasional pairing of closely related sentences. That keeps failure isolated while preserving at least some natural flow. ::::::We could consider also implementing a “sentence” or “content unit” function that simply calls “paragraph”, so we can later tell where the intended paragraphs are. [[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 21:23, 10 April 2026 (UTC) :::::::This is not accessible for users with screen-readers, and thus not a viable work-around. Each paragraph must be in a paragraph tag. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 22:31, 10 April 2026 (UTC) ::::::::It’s sub-optimal, I agree, but every unit of meaning would be wrapped in p tags, which is more accessible than a series of bare fragments or failed function calls. [[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 17:07, 11 April 2026 (UTC) :::::::::If you do need to make inaccessible articles, please at least give them a category on the talk page. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 21:21, 11 April 2026 (UTC) ::::::::::We’d need to agree an accessibility standard first, but I’m not planning on creating any articles until there are suitable functions available. [[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 22:36, 11 April 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::I agree. Accessibility standards need to be established and not just assumed. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 23:28, 11 April 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::I definitely do agree that we need accessibility standards, but this isn't really a nice-to-have that you debate about but rather the floor. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 00:27, 12 April 2026 (UTC) ::::::::::::I took this thread as consensus that we need to have every sentence as its own paragraph. Is that incorrect? Do people want me to change it back to one paragraph per paragraph break? I removed that one because it covered up errors. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 04:21, 18 April 2026 (UTC) :::::When someone "vandalizes" it is not necessarily intentional, see [[wikt:vandalise]]. I do understand that Immanuelle has good faith, but at the same time, the "deployment" caused tens of articles to be broken, and furthermore I don't suspect something this bad would have slipped through had a human carefully reviewed the code. When a contributor deploys a semi-automated tool and uses it to make edits at the rate {{ping|Immanuelle}} was at this rate, you are morally obligated to test it. This wasn't the first time the slop-machine that they used caused them to mess up tens of articles, and if Immanuelle doesn't exercise extreme care in the future, I don't suspect it will be the last. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 22:25, 10 April 2026 (UTC) ::::::It was a silent error that was only discovered by chance. What kind of testing would you have done to avoid this? [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 22:37, 10 April 2026 (UTC) ::::::@[[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]]": On Wikipedia, "[[:en:WP:VAND|Vandalism]]" is a technical term that means "editing (or other behavior) '''''deliberately''' intended to [[:en:Wikipedia:DE|obstruct or defeat]] the [[:en:Wikipedia:Five_pillars|project's purpose]]''". Accidental disruptive editing is not considered vandalism. [[User:Warudo|Warudo]] ([[User talk:Warudo|talk]]) 22:52, 10 April 2026 (UTC) :::::::@[[User:Warudo|Warudo]] on the topic of this glitch. I think I have removed it from all pages that had it. Please tell me if there are more that you see. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 23:29, 10 April 2026 (UTC) ::::::::Thanks for cleaning up :) [[User:So9q|So9q]] ([[User talk:So9q|talk]]) 20:29, 11 April 2026 (UTC) :::::::This isn't the English Wikipedia, or even a wikipedia at all, despite the domain. Unless a defined technical term related to Wikifunctions I'd consider words to have their natural language meaning. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 01:28, 11 April 2026 (UTC) ::::::::@[[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]]: Last time I checked, this was the Abstract ''Wikipedia''. But in any case, this is the definition provided in [[f:Wikifunctions:Vandalism|Wikifunctions]] as well as [[meta:meta:Vandalism|meta]]. Vandalism has to be deliberate. [[User:Warudo|Warudo]] ([[User talk:Warudo|talk]]) 08:50, 11 April 2026 (UTC) :::::::::It's not ''the'' Abstract Wikipedia like ''the'' English Wikipedia, but just Abstract Wikipedia. It isn't a Wikipedia in and of itself (as in, it's not supposed to be viewed by end readers), but rather a tool for Wikipedias. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 15:33, 11 April 2026 (UTC) ::::::::::It still has an independent editing community. Just because it draws from Wikidata and Wikifunctions doesn't mean content decisions aren't made here; it necessarily has to have some autonomy just like any language edition. [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 19:18, 11 April 2026 (UTC) :::::::::“Deliberately” is also the first word of section 3.3 of our Code of Conduct, linked at the foot of every page. [[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 17:11, 11 April 2026 (UTC) :::::+1 Please assume good faith and keep it civil. [[User:So9q|So9q]] ([[User talk:So9q|talk]]) 20:27, 11 April 2026 (UTC) :@[[User:Warudo|Warudo]] will hold off on page creation [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 17:43, 10 April 2026 (UTC) :Just a note @[[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]], the project is a Beta version, so, in my opinion, it's not a good idea to flood it with a large number of [{{fullurl:Special:Contributions|target=Immanuelle&namespace=0&newOnly=1&limit=250&end=2026-04-10}} article stubs]. Additionally, the natural language functions are still limited.--[[User:Mdktb|Mdktb]] ([[User talk:Mdktb|talk]]) 18:58, 10 April 2026 (UTC) ::@[[User:Mdktb|Mdktb]] okay that is a good point. I think I was confused since I thought that we were more on the trying to get new users stage. I will stick to fixing up my errors and only making pages on things that I have a lot of stuff to say on. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 19:20, 10 April 2026 (UTC) :::@[[User:Mdktb|Mdktb]] and here is a wikiproject I made and tagged some pages with that is specifically related to developing more natural language [[Abstract Wikipedia:WikiProject Quality Prose]] [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 19:27, 10 April 2026 (UTC) ::Would you be willing to raise this in the project chat? I'm thinking we are in an experimentation state that will keep improving incrementally just like the first edition of Wikipedia did since January 15, 2001. Just like back then I don't think it's a good idea to arbitrarily limit good faith editing. We probably will have to revisit these articles later as more and better functions become available but that in itself is not a valid argument for refraining from edits. [[User:So9q|So9q]] ([[User talk:So9q|talk]]) 20:36, 11 April 2026 (UTC) :::Already here ;) [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 21:05, 11 April 2026 (UTC) ::I agree with your stub-flooding comment, I don't think it's particularly useful to have a bunch of articles that say nothing. The concern right now should be testing. I expect that the way in which we write abstract articles will change drastically eventually, so writing hundreds of articles is not only a waste of time but a debt. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 21:07, 11 April 2026 (UTC) :::We can always use [[Special:AncientPages]] to find them later on. :::My expectation is that things will change, but we’ll be able to change the articles. They aren’t set in stone. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 03:21, 18 April 2026 (UTC) :The error in question was that "it" ended up getting into the jsons as a string instead of the id for "it". This occurred due to an error with the program with function aliasing, functions and items can have aliases that are used to be human readable, and replaced with their codes during insertion. But apparently when you try to insert a nonexistent alias then it just inserts the text and there is no server side validation at all of edits. :My guess is that basically they do not have an api since they have no server side validation and were relying on solely client side, and did not anticipate someone building such a tool that accidentally bypassed client side validation through a cache injection which was motivated by UX purposes :I plan on attending the Monday volunteer meeting and asking about this issue. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 22:45, 10 April 2026 (UTC) ::> But apparently when you try to insert a nonexistent alias then it just inserts the text and there is no server side validation at all of edits. ::This sounds like a bug. Would you be willing to create a ticket in phab with details? [[User:So9q|So9q]] ([[User talk:So9q|talk]]) 20:38, 11 April 2026 (UTC) :::The team has already declined (or indicated that they had no plans) to do validation in this form, so I don't think a new ticket would be ideal. Either way, this shouldn't affect anyone besides those using a headless browser (or anyone using good, human-reviewed code and a headless browser), so I don't think it would be a priority anyway. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 21:19, 11 April 2026 (UTC) ::::Not sure what you are talking about. At the meeting they did not seem to be opposed to doing server side validation. They just said that they had a bit of concerns about infrastructure that was stopping it as an immediate thing. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 20:14, 15 April 2026 (UTC) :::::The volunteer's corner? I unfortunately missed that, but it was more than a year ago that I believe they decided not to pursue it, so you're probably right. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 13:46, 16 April 2026 (UTC) :So I have resolved this issue, as I have resolved most of the issues that people brought up. The whole paragraph debate is something I am returning to the older version of. Does anybody want other changes to the way that it makes articles? [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 18:09, 18 April 2026 (UTC) == Sandbox page == The previous discussion about bot-created pages does raise a question: is it possible to have sandbox pages here? As far as I can tell, one can only create pages in the main namespace, and it has to be one page per Wikidata item. So there's no good place to experiment. Or am I missing something? The only other thing I can think of is to write the whole abstract article (or a part of it) as a function with a composition implementation on Wikifunctions and then to call it from a user-space sandbox page here. That, however, doesn't actually seem to work: [[User:Amire80/sandbox|I've just tried to call a function from my user space]], and I just see "⏳ Function is being called…". That is possibly a bug that can be fixed (maybe [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T422299 T422299]?), but even if it's fixed, it doesn't look like the best user experience. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 18:48, 10 April 2026 (UTC) :[[phab:T421417]] [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 18:52, 10 April 2026 (UTC) ::For now [[Q3938]] can be used for test edits . [[User:ChaoticVermillion|<span style="color: orangered">Chaotic</span><span style="color: crimson">Vermillion</span>]] ([[User talk:ChaoticVermillion|converse]], [[Special:Contributions/ChaoticVermillion|contribs]]) 02:06, 11 April 2026 (UTC) :We have [[Q138864867]]. [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 23:30, 11 April 2026 (UTC) == I propose Q10693 for featured article == I think [[Q10693]] is the best article here. Can I propose it for [[Abstract Wikipedia:Featured article]] [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 22:24, 10 April 2026 (UTC) :We'd to come to a consensus on criteria first before we nominate anything. Anyway, the talk page of [[Abstract Wikipedia:Featured article]] would be a better place to decide this, not ''everything'' belongs on the project chat. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 02:36, 11 April 2026 (UTC) == REST API for editing? == Hi, does anyone know if there is a ticket in phab for a public API endpoint that allows editing of AW content? It would be very useful to improve tooling and content. [[User:So9q|So9q]] ([[User talk:So9q|talk]]) 20:41, 11 April 2026 (UTC) :I don't believe so. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 21:03, 11 April 2026 (UTC) :I do not know why there isn't a REST API, but I had to [[Abstract Wikipedia:Project chat#I made a desktop app that helps with editing|specifically work around it with my editing tool]]. It will be very nice in the future to have a REST API. :I think that right now there isn't actually any server-side verification of whether an article is well-structured, and that might be the reason why there isn't a REST API yet. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 23:46, 11 April 2026 (UTC) ::What rest api are you talking about? Checkout [[Special:RestSandbox]]. [[User:Tanbiruzzaman|Tanbiruzzaman]] ([[User talk:Tanbiruzzaman|talk]]) 16:50, 12 April 2026 (UTC) :I would like to proudly announce that it can be done. See [[Special:Diff/6102]]. Here was my request: :<syntaxhighlight lang="json">{ "source": "{\"qid\":\"Q100000\",\"sections\":{\"Q8776414\":{\"index\":0,\"fragments\":[\"Z89\"]}}}", "title": "Q100000", "comment": "Hello from MediaWiki REST API", "content_model": "abstractwiki", "token": "[token]" } </syntaxhighlight> [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 04:43, 20 April 2026 (UTC) == Spaces between sentences == In abstract articles with two sentences or more, I usually see two spaces between the sentences. Why two? I usually write one space, and that's probably what most people do in English. I know that some people write two; I don't like it myself, but this practice does exist. But here, it raises a few more nuanced questions: # Where is it actually defined that there are supposed to be ''any'' spaces between the sentences? I might be wrong, but it probably comes from the extension code and not from the functions. # Can this be customized per language? I don't know all the rules for all the languages, but I strongly suspect that some languages use spaces between sentences differently, and no default is good for all the languages. I'd especially check if it's good for Thai, Burmese, Japanese, and Chinese. # When I examine the HTML code of the rendered sentences, each of them is a <code><nowiki><div></nowiki></code>. It's a bit odd—I'd expect <code><nowiki><span></nowiki></code> there. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 21:07, 14 April 2026 (UTC) :Can you give an example article, please? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 14:01, 15 April 2026 (UTC) ::[[Q833]], [[Q11361384]], and probably every other abstract article whose rendered English text has more than sentence. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 14:34, 15 April 2026 (UTC) :::No, not every single one (see [[Q333]]), but most of them. This has happened because Denny promoted separating sentences into individual fragments and Immanuel used an AI slop-machine to create an editing tool. Essentially, they're being treated as separate elements (like how one paragraph is different from a section heading), so the UI adds a space. This, of course, should not be done, because it breaks screen-readers and looks weird, but apparently everyone is just OK with it. Like a thousand articles have been created by the afforementioned slop-generated tool (because the person who oversaw the bot that created it seems to care more about quantity than quality), whereas I've only created three myself (because I care more about quality and shaping the direction of the wiki in preparation for when abstract content becomes actually viable). [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 15:02, 15 April 2026 (UTC) ::::If I understand correctly, [[Q333]] has one fragment, which is one function call, which in turn creates two sentences and joins them using a hardcoded space. If each sentence was created using a separate fragment, they would probably appear with two spaces in practice. Neither option is very good. ::::The mass creation of abstract articles using that tool is probably not really related to this. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 15:52, 15 April 2026 (UTC) :::::No, one of them is objectively wrong and one of them is correct. You're not ''supposed'' to split two sentences into two fragments. That's the point. The mass creation of articles using that tool ''is'' related, because it's responsible for the proliferation of articles that follow the wrong one. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 17:36, 15 April 2026 (UTC) ::::::Why not split sentences into fragments? I can easily imagine some functions that produce several sentences, but it's not universal. ::::::And why is it ''correct'' to join sentences using a hardcoded space? Joining sentences shouldn't be done using a hardcoded space, but with a generic "join sentences" function, which will be one space for many languages, but probably not for all of them. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 17:55, 15 April 2026 (UTC) :::::::Yes, not having to hardcode is the eventual goal. Splitting sentences into fragments is bad because it adds extra spacing (this is a feature, and a good one!), because it's bad for screen-readers, and because it would be impossible to distinguish between paragraphs, the article would just be a collection of sentences. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 18:03, 15 April 2026 (UTC) ::::::::I still don't understand why splitting into fragments is bad. What is good about extra spacing? It looks like a bad feature, not a good one. It sounds like a rendering and presentation issue, not a logical issue. Fragments can be inline, and the inline ones should be <code><nowiki><span></nowiki></code>s, not <code><nowiki><div></nowiki></code>s. And there should also be an option for <code><nowiki><div></nowiki></code> fragments. And maybe some others. Forcing every fragment to be a <code><nowiki><div></nowiki></code> sounds like a bad feature. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 18:46, 15 April 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Again, the spacing is good because the correct reason to split is to create two separate paragraphs. Even if the spacing ''was'' removed, it would still not work for screen-readers, and blocking out blind people when the mission is to spread knowledge to neglected languages is incredibly ironic. I'm not sure how else I'm supposed to communicate this to you. It's like asking "why is magma so hot! I want to drink magma instead of water, but it's too hot and not refreshing!" [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 19:07, 15 April 2026 (UTC) ::::::::::Maybe I understand what a "fragment" is supposed to be differently. Where is defined what is it supposed to be? [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 20:22, 15 April 2026 (UTC) == Archiving discussions on this page? == We're soon coming up to having a month old messages here, and considering the current length of it and size of the community, perhaps 30 days is a good limit for archiving them. Does anyone know how to get an archive bot running here? <span style="color:#EAA">♥</span>[[User:Ainali|Ainali]] <small>^{[[User talk:Ainali|discussion]]}_{[[Special:Contributions/Ainali|contributions]]}</small> 06:44, 16 April 2026 (UTC) :+1 [[User:So9q|So9q]] ([[User talk:So9q|talk]]) 09:55, 16 April 2026 (UTC) :+1 [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 13:41, 16 April 2026 (UTC) :+1. I think SpBot does archiving on Wikifunctions. Maybe it could be brought here as well? [[User:ChaoticVermillion|<span style="color: orangered">Chaotic</span><span style="color: crimson">Vermillion</span>]] ([[User talk:ChaoticVermillion|converse]], [[Special:Contributions/ChaoticVermillion|contribs]]) 14:18, 16 April 2026 (UTC) :+1 [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 14:24, 16 April 2026 (UTC) == Importing the q template == I really want the <nowiki>{{q}}</nowiki> template here imported from wikidata. It is very helpful with qids. Linking to here instead of wikidata. Might be able to be expanded for lexemes and wikifunctions too. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 14:26, 16 April 2026 (UTC) :I've copied it and its dependencies from Wikifunctions: see {{Q|1}} It may need some tweaking to work well here, because we also use QIDs. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 04:51, 17 April 2026 (UTC) ::Great! I think we need [[Template:Quote]] too [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 04:13, 18 April 2026 (UTC) == Caching issues (hopefully) fixed == Hey all, I know the caching issues have been a real pain for you. I've just now deployed what (I hope) is a fix that works for calls on Wikifunctions.org, fragments here, and embedded Wikifunctions calls. See for example [https://abstract.wikipedia.org/view/en/Q1344227 view/en/Q1344227] which should load fragments near-immediately for you (not need a retry or time out). You'll also see e.g. that https://test.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikifunctions now has "stable" results, not just endless "please wait" comments. That said, please tell me where I'm wrong and you're having issues! Much better to hear now than assume it's fixed and start all over again tomorrow. I appreciate your feedback and patience over this; it has been very generous of you all. Our next work in this area is to make the cache much more scalable and resilient over time, so it's faster and more reliable for you, and cheaper for us to support. Thank you again. [[User:Jdforrester (WMF)|Jdforrester (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Jdforrester (WMF)|talk]]) 14:47, 16 April 2026 (UTC) :Thank you (and the rest of the team) for your efforts for this new wiki! We really appreciate it. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 14:58, 16 April 2026 (UTC) :Wow this is great! Now we can do a lot more verification on whether created pages are working well! Gotta look over a bunch of pages. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 15:20, 16 April 2026 (UTC) ::Yes I tried to fix up a bunch of pages. Many of them actually render properly now. But I did need to change quite a few [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 17:36, 16 April 2026 (UTC) :::Yes, please give your attention to the quality of pages you've already created rather than expanding the quantity. For example, on [[Q153]] I notice that you used Z28016 a lot, but that "defining" should only be used when it is the only instance of that class in that location (which works fine for a capital city), but not e.g. for hydrogen being "the" part of ethanol. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 04:43, 17 April 2026 (UTC) == Importing templates from wikipedias == I think it would be a good idea to set something up so that templates from wikipedia can be represented as wikifunctions. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 14:59, 16 April 2026 (UTC) :Already {{done}} on WF, see [[f:WF:MediaWiki parser functions]]. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 15:08, 16 April 2026 (UTC) == Idea for the project chat == I've been thinking of some ideas that we could implement related to the project chat. I'm not saying I endorse anything, just throwing out an idea. There's been a ''lot'' of activity on here, I'm not sure if this is going to be a permanent thing or if it's just because the wiki just started. If it maintains its activity, we might want to divide it up like the English Wikipedia does, perhaps into "Proposals", "Technical and Wikifunctions", and "Miscellaneous." [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 15:19, 16 April 2026 (UTC) :Simple english wikipedia has almost all discussion happen on its Project chat. I think we should only add nerw things once we really need more chats. Having everything here makes it easier for people to keep up with the news of abstract wikipedia. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 16:31, 16 April 2026 (UTC) ::The place to keep up with news for "abstract [sic] wikipedia [sic]" is the newsletter. I think that separating might actually make it easier to follow the specific discussion that you want, as you can choose which of the three to subscribe to. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 17:58, 16 April 2026 (UTC) ::We should at least have a talk page archiving bot, like [[:en:User:lowercase sigmabot III]]. [[User:EatingCarBatteries|EatingCarBatteries]] ([[User talk:EatingCarBatteries|talk]]) 20:18, 16 April 2026 (UTC) == What to do with Z26955 == There are a lot of articles with [[:f:Z26955|Z26955]] in them, since it has this obvious warning on it, what should we do with existing articles that have it? Just remove it on sight? [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 15:33, 16 April 2026 (UTC) :We should only improve articles by fixing the problems, not by removing them. If you can replace a function by a better one, that’s great. Otherwise, please leave it for now so that we can see what needs fixing. [[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 23:04, 16 April 2026 (UTC) == Representing "part of" == How do I represent that something is part of another thing? I used to use the spo sentence without understanding that it did not work. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 16:30, 16 April 2026 (UTC) :I think [[f:Z32982]] can be used, with the role as [[d:Q1310239]]. [[User:ChaoticVermillion|<span style="color: orangered">Chaotic</span><span style="color: crimson">Vermillion</span>]] ([[User talk:ChaoticVermillion|converse]], [[Special:Contributions/ChaoticVermillion|contribs]]) 18:55, 16 April 2026 (UTC) == Wikifunctions & Abstract Wikipedia Newsletter #244 is out: Milestones; Some major issues hopefully resolved == There is [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-04-16|a new update]] for Abstract Wikipedia and Wikifunctions. Please, come and read it! In this issue, we celebrate 4000 functions on Wikifunctions and 1000 abstract articles on Abstract Wikipedia, we announce that we should have fixed some major issues with the websites, we inform you on our latest outreach activities, and we take a look at the latest software developments. Want to catch up with the previous updates? Check [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates|our archive]]! Enjoy the reading! -- [[User:Sannita (WMF)|User:Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 10:22, 17 April 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Sannita (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Wikifunctions_%26_Abstract_Wikipedia&oldid=30325620 --> == AceWiki: Abstract Wikipedia before Abstract Wikipedia? == For those of you not in the know, ACE is [[w:Attempto Controlled English|Attempto Controlled English]]. This is a special subset of English that, unlike regular English, is entirely grammatically unambiguous and is machine-readable. For example, the sentence "Every person has a cat" is ACE, as a computer could easily parse that into a logical structure of the form "for any person P, P has a cat." Well, I found a semantic wiki software called AceWiki, whose articles are written entirely in Attempto Controlled English (see [https://acewiki.petapico.org/acewikigeo/ AceWikiGEO]). The sentence structures seen in AceWiki articles (while I can't link directly to any article, the article on the United States of America, which can be found in the Index in the sidebar, is a good example) are quite similar to those in our existing abstract articles. Using a tool called [https://github.com/Attempto/ACE-in-GF ACE-in-GF], ACE text could be translated into any language. I've been thinking about the idea of a tool that allows an editor to write Attempto Controlled English text, and have that text turned into an abstract article. As an example: '''ACE''' -- "Every antelope is a mammal." &rarr; '''Abstract content''' -- [[f:Z26627|Classifying a class of nouns (Z26627)]]: [[d:Q25894|antelope (Q25894)]], [[d:Q7377|mammal (Q7377)]] This tool would not be optimized for mass article creation, since it would not include an option to generate articles directly from Wikidata, but I think it could be interesting to see how being able to write abstract articles in natural language might lower the barrier to contributing to this project. Thoughts? [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 01:59, 20 April 2026 (UTC) :I'm not sure how we'd actually do the conversion step. If you'd be willing to attempt to make a prototype I'd love to look at it, but I'm skeptical. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 18:12, 21 April 2026 (UTC) == Help with the news section on main page == Hi all, I would like to have some help in importing [[:f:Template:Main page/News]] here and inserting it in the main page's module. Can someone help me to do it? [[User:Sannita (WMF)|Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 10:26, 20 April 2026 (UTC) :I believe [[Template:Main page/News]] is already set up and visible on the main page, unless you mean importing the history of the WF template over. [[User: Tenshi Hinanawi|Tenshi!]] ([[User talk: Tenshi Hinanawi|Talk page]]) 11:12, 20 April 2026 (UTC) ::Ah, that's great, thanks! [[User:Sannita (WMF)|Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 14:53, 20 April 2026 (UTC) == Layout guidelines? == One thing I'm noticing is that there are a ''lot'' of ways to do the same thing. I'd like to know which is preferred in the simple case of making single-sentence articles that just say what they are. Take [[Q503]] for example. If you look at the edit history of the article, you'll see it went through a few changes: * Initially, it was a [[f:Z14396|''string of monolingual text'']] call wrapped inside of a [[f:Z27868|''string to HTML fragment'']] call. The innermost function got the monolingual text returned from [[f:Z26095|''subject is kind of'']], converted it to a string, and then to a HTML fragment. * Afterwards the two topmost functions were removed until only the ''subject is kind of'' function call remained, and this was wrapped in a call to [[f:Z29749|''monolingual text as HTML with visible language tag'']]. * Finally the ''subject is kind of'' call was placed into a typed list provided as an argument to the [[f:Z32234|''join text-like objects into HTML fragment'']] call, which in turn was made into a proper paragraph rather than a standalone <code>&lt;div&gt;</code> as it was previously. None of these seem like a particularly bad way to approach things, and I have seem all of them in the wild; the first thing I tried I did so as it was the way the first article I stumbled upon chose to render its text. Since [[Abstract Wikipedia:Useful functions for article composition]] only goes over linguistic functions, and doesn't seem to provide any guidance on ''composition'' functions (i.e. building the HTML contents itself, as you have to do in the plain visual editor online), I thought I'd ask here if there is a preferred way to do things, and if it could perhaps be made clearer on the website if so. It is rather bothersome wanting to build e.g. a wikitable, and needing to peruse the available functions on Wikifunctions instead of having an easily-accessible way to see what is generally recommended for the particular circumstance. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 21:36, 20 April 2026 (UTC) :I'm partial to paragraph(join text-like objects into HTML fragment(your sentences)), as not using a paragraph tag is bad for those who use screen readers, and I designed join text-like objects to reduce function calls and therefore speed up the article processing step. The long-term problem with this method is that Japanese and Chinese both do not have spaces between sentences, so I plan to soon create a function that takes a list of text-like objects and then converts it into a paragraph under the correct style of each language. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 23:51, 20 April 2026 (UTC) ::That sounds good, I have grown more fond of that method as well. What you described would be great to have, I have been adding [[f:Z13128]] references inbetween each sentence to counteract the lack of spacing but something that would do this automatically for English while also obeying the sentence rules of other languages it renders in would be very ideal. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 16:33, 21 April 2026 (UTC) ::{{ping|Feeglgeef}} I noticed [[f:Z33068]]. I decided to hack up an implementation of it that aligns with what you said, I don't know if this is what your original intention for the function was and I apologize if I misconstrued it. At the moment, it just runs the ''join text-like objects'' function I mentioned earlier wrapped in a call to ''paragraph'', but adds spaces if the language is not Japanese or Chinese. I'm not sure if, in this scope, a lack of spaces is the only difference between how certain languages arrange their sentences. This also only accounts for the ZObjects for Chinese and Japanese specifically, I think some sort of switch statement or separate configuration object would be better suited for this—not to mention that there are separate natural language objects for the different scripts of Japanese, so those would have to be blanketed under Japanese when considering the language passed in (which I don't want to chain a bunch of ORs to do at the moment). For now, though, it seems to work fine. I added two different test cases and they both pass, and I have also utilized the function on [[Q241691]]. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 03:31, 23 April 2026 (UTC) :::Ah, thank you for implementing that, it looks good to me. I've created a persistent object for storing the languages that don't use spaces, [[f:Z33984]]. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 13:47, 23 April 2026 (UTC) == Wikidata problems == Sorry for posting two questions here in a row. I'll try to make this brief. On the bottom of [[Q247237]] is what ''should'' be a list of albums, but on my end it appears as just "''PLUS''" repeated fourteen times. This seems to occur any time I use [[f:Z13464]] on a list of Wikidata item references... is anyone else seeing this? I'm not sure what I could be doing wrong. Related to this, I wonder if I can avoid needing to explicitly state each of these items? I moved the list to a separately-defined object on Wikifunctions to avoid having to constantly transfer it between websites since I don't think the clipboard works cross-site. Ordinarily, if I were trying to get all Autechre studio albums, I would use Wikidata's SPARQL query feature to do this, by finding every entity whose [[wikidata:P31|P31]] is [[wikidata:Q482994|Q482994]] and whose [[wikidata:P50|P50]] is [[wikidata:Q247237|Q247237]]. This doesn't seem to be doable with Wikifunctions, though, or at least I'm not seeing it... so I don't know how I would do this automatically. We are making articles out of functions here, so I think it would be worthwhile if I tried to future-proof the list using this paradigm. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 16:30, 21 April 2026 (UTC) :On your first question, I've [[f:Z33903|tried to replicate this on WF]] and I cannot, which makes it difficult to solve. :We cannot currently reverse most WD statements, so your use case is not ''currently'' possible, but we are able to access the statements that are ''on'' an item. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 18:10, 21 April 2026 (UTC) ::I'm experiencing the issue again on [[f:Z33997]], it seems. Check the test results of the three-item test, "''programmer''" should not appear twice. I ran into a similar problem earlier in working on the implementation. For the two-item case, using a call to ''[[f:Z13397|get the nth element of a list]]'' on both items (index 1 and 2 respectively) returned the first item twice. I had to use a call to ''[[f:Z811|first element]]'' to fix it. ::Could this be a caching issue, perhaps? That seems likely, because I don't know why else this would be happening. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 16:16, 23 April 2026 (UTC) rsibqccln2lmq64oh9vettkbuw6g8l8 6694 6670 2026-04-23T21:47:55Z Koavf 723 [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] redlink template 6694 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Shortcut|[[Project:PC]]|[[Project:VP]]}} __NEWSECTIONLINK__ [[Category:Abstract Wikipedia administration|Project Chat]] This is the Abstract Wikipedia Project chat. This is where discussions on the project happen. Add your discussion below this line. More technical issues should go to [[Abstract Wikipedia:Report a technical problem]]. ==Discussions not working== I keep getting a type error whenever I try to create a new topic. Anybody else? [[ talk:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 18:05, 19 March 2026 (UTC) :I'm also experiencing the same error. [[User: Tenshi Hinanawi|Tenshi!]] ([[User talk: Tenshi Hinanawi|Talk page]]) 18:19, 19 March 2026 (UTC) :@[[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]], @[[User:Tenshi Hinanawi|Tenshi Hinanawi]]: Sorry about that; it was due to a production mis-configuration that I've worked around for now. Unfortunately the same bug also meant that the community's first Abstract articles were all mis-created into the <code>Abstract Wikipedia:</code> namespace, and I don't think we can move them into the proper positions right now, so they'll need to be re-created. Please reply here, on [[Abstract Wikipedia:Report a technical problem]], or file any issues you run into in Phabricator. [[User:Jdforrester (WMF)|Jdforrester (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Jdforrester (WMF)|talk]]) 18:34, 19 March 2026 (UTC) ::The new abstract table is breaking globalcontribs counter across all Wikis, [[:phab:T420632]] [[User:Shushugah|Shushugah]] ([[User talk:Shushugah|talk]]) 18:51, 19 March 2026 (UTC) == Horray! 🎉 == This is just a celebratory post acknowledging the milestone of getting this project started. Great work on the engineering team so far, now we can get some community creating content as well! [[User:Ainali|Ainali]] ([[User talk:Ainali|talk]]) 18:53, 19 March 2026 (UTC) :I want to contribute but I'm a bit lost with the function editor so I'll wait until some documentation is uploaded on the community page. [[User:Hathor1719|Hathor1719]] ([[User talk:Hathor1719|talk]]) 18:55, 19 March 2026 (UTC) :🎉🎉🎉! [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 18:56, 19 March 2026 (UTC) == Local help page == The Help page in the sidebar goes to [[mw:Help:Contents]]. We should change that to just [[Help:Contents]]. (But I guess for that we need a local admin as well.) [[User:Ainali|Ainali]] ([[User talk:Ainali|talk]]) 18:59, 19 March 2026 (UTC) :@[[User:Ainali|Ainali]], done. But the page [[Help:Contents]] needs to be written. [[User:Tanbiruzzaman|Tanbiruzzaman]] ([[User talk:Tanbiruzzaman|talk]]) 19:13, 19 March 2026 (UTC) ::Is there a caching thing, that it is still not working? We have [[MediaWiki:Helppage]], but the link in the sidebar still goes to Mediawiki for me. <span style="color:#EAA">♥</span>[[User:Ainali|Ainali]] <small>^{[[User talk:Ainali|diskussion]]}_{[[Special:Bidrag/Ainali|bidrag]]}</small> 07:36, 20 March 2026 (UTC) :::Try [https://abstract.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abstract_Wikipedia:Project_chat?action=purge purge]. [[User:Tanbiruzzaman|Tanbiruzzaman]] ([[User talk:Tanbiruzzaman|talk]]) 07:59, 20 March 2026 (UTC) ::::I tried purging, it doesn't help. Interestingly, if I change the interface language to English, I get the new link, but not when I use it in Swedish. A bug, or do we need to define this for each language? <span style="color:#EAA">♥</span>[[User:Ainali|Ainali]] <small>^{[[User talk:Ainali|diskussion]]}_{[[Special:Bidrag/Ainali|bidrag]]}</small> 12:48, 20 March 2026 (UTC) :::::couldn’t find the solution, I think it's because multilingual feature hasn’t enabled yet. [[User:Tanbiruzzaman|Tanbiruzzaman]] ([[User talk:Tanbiruzzaman|talk]]) 13:44, 20 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::Now it works, without any new purging. Weird (but good). <span style="color:#EAA">♥</span>[[User:Ainali|Ainali]] <small>^{[[User talk:Ainali|diskussion]]}_{[[Special:Bidrag/Ainali|bidrag]]}</small> 15:36, 20 March 2026 (UTC) == qqx doesn't seem to work == I switched my user interface language to Hebrew. I'm trying to [[Special:CreateAbstract/Q18383|create a page]]. There's a plus button under "lead paragraph (Q8776414)". It has several items that begin with "Add" and continue with English strings that are probably function names: "section title", "paragraph", "HTML unordered list", etc. I tried using uselang=qqx to see what functions those are, but then the editing interface is not loaded at all. I see a yellow box with this text: : (wikilambda-initialize-error) : (wikilambda-renderer-error-footer-project-chat) uselang=qqx works quite nicely in Wikifunctions and shows ZIDs of objects when their labels are used in the interface, but it seems to fail here. It would be quite nice to make it work. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 19:06, 19 March 2026 (UTC) == Visual editor on this page == The first time I posted something here on this page (using DiscussionTools), I noticed a mistake and wanted to fix it. I clicked "edit" near the section heading, and it started editing the whole page in Visual editor. If I recall correctly, the default on other wikis is that the edit button next to the section heading on discussion pages opens only that section and in the wikitext editor. It should probably be the same here. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 19:10, 19 March 2026 (UTC) :[[Abstract Wikipedia:Report a technical problem]] would be more appropriate. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 19:14, 19 March 2026 (UTC) == Temporary adminship == I'm requesting temporary adminship here (for 24 hours to a week) to help set up the wiki on the community side. As administrator on Wikifunctions, I designed the current layout of the main page (also used locally), among other things. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 19:16, 19 March 2026 (UTC) :{{ping|Feeglgeef}} while I agree that temporary adminship could be useful, both personally and as a steward, I'm not sure it's a good idea to grant this request. First of all, you didn't really say why you need admin rights (and your history, both on Wikifunctions and Meta, make me want to be extra cautious). In the meantime, stewards and global admins can also (and already do) help if needed, don't hesitate to ask. Cheers, [[User:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[User talk:VIGNERON|talk]]) 21:36, 19 March 2026 (UTC) ::Ah, right! Please update the main page as I've requested on its talk page, as well as delete the existing pages on the Abstract Wikipedia namespace with QIDs (they are now redundant), and add the correct license to [[MediaWiki:License]]. I have a few more things, but they're relatively minor. Consider the above request retracted. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 22:29, 19 March 2026 (UTC) :::{{reply to|VIGNERON}} ? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 15:50, 20 March 2026 (UTC) ::::{{reply to|Feeglgeef}} yes ? please [https://dontasktoask.com/ Don't ask to ask, just ask]. Cdlt, [[User:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[User talk:VIGNERON|talk]]) 16:28, 20 March 2026 (UTC) :::::{{ping|VIGNERON}} I wanted you to do the things I asked in the above reply (which you ignored :(. ). The main page is fixed and the license is fine (not complete, but alas), but any page following the pattern "Abstract Wikipedia:Q[n]" should be deleted. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 17:57, 20 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::{{reply to|Feeglgeef}} I did the deletion this morning, did I miss any pages? Cheers, [[User:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[User talk:VIGNERON|talk]]) 18:00, 20 March 2026 (UTC) == Templates - per usual or as abstract content? == I was about to import a few templates that can come in handy in discussions and other meta-related activities but then realized that it may be a great use case for abstract content. Or will it not be possible to do it in that way on this wiki (or at all)? [[User:Ainali|Ainali]] ([[User talk:Ainali|talk]]) 19:28, 19 March 2026 (UTC) :Calling functions here is currently possible, but some templates are impossible to replace and functions are inconvenient in any case. It'd be helpful if you said which templates you intended to import, but generally I'd say import them. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 19:33, 19 March 2026 (UTC) ::I think what I wonder most is if we always should do multilingual templates with the traditional <code><nowiki><translate></nowiki></code> tags or use functions wherever we can. [[User:Ainali|Ainali]] ([[User talk:Ainali|talk]]) 19:42, 19 March 2026 (UTC) :::The problem with "functions wherever we can" is that most template-like functions are content based, like abbr or 0. I'm assuming you mean templates that are more about meta stuff, which probably should '''not''' be functions, at least under the current idea. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 19:46, 19 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Yes, I was only thinking about meta stuff. Where can I read about this idea you are referring to? It seems important enough that it should be part of [[Abstract Wikipedia:Scope|this project's scope]] (or similar page/policy). [[User:Ainali|Ainali]] ([[User talk:Ainali|talk]]) 19:52, 19 March 2026 (UTC) :::::It's not written down, I suppose. I didn't mean there was a rule against creating the functions, (feel free, if you'd like). The main problem with putting them on Wikifunctions is speed and the fact that you must use HTML fragments (no wikitext), which to me makes it unreasonable. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 19:56, 19 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::That's a fair point of view. The reason I asked was that it would be an excellent way of [[d:Q3033752|Q3033752]] (note to self, we need the functionality of [[d:Template:Q]]). If we get used here to not falling back into wikitext, we get more training at creating excellent abstract content. [[User:Ainali|Ainali]] ([[User talk:Ainali|talk]]) 20:03, 19 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::I haven’t tried an embedded function on an AW Project page, so I suppose I should… if you’ll forgive me! :::::::{{#function:Z32878|Q2013|}} [[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 14:37, 30 March 2026 (UTC) == Articles now creatable properly == Hello all! To those not on the telegram (or not following), articles are now able to be created in the correct way. Any articles you have previously made will need to be recreated. I'd courtesy ping those who have already created one but it seems we don't have that set up yet! [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 22:31, 19 March 2026 (UTC) == Testing from a different language == I have set the UI to Spanish and there are some menus not translated (Create an article in the sidebar, for example). Where can I translate the content I see missing? Also, I tried to create a very simple abstract article on the environment ([[Q43619]]) and it fails to render (Wikifunctions returned a failed response: Alcanzado el límite de tiempo en el Orquestador): I also found a random, decently big one ([[Q408]]) and it keeps loading for five minutes already in Spanish. Finally, if this is going to be with the purpose of multi lingual edition, shouldn't help and talk pages like these be also automatically translated? Because otherwise it becomes just an output of information, an editor who isn't familiar with English would be able to read the Abstract Wikipedia in their language but unable to provide feedback (as I'm doing now). [[User:Hathor1719|Hathor1719]] ([[User talk:Hathor1719|talk]]) 06:56, 20 March 2026 (UTC) :I am not sure that we want "automatic" translation. But regular translation, I truly agree that we should have. There is a Phabricator created to enable the Translate extension on this wiki ([[Phab:T420656]]). <span style="color:#EAA">♥</span>[[User:Ainali|Ainali]] <small>^{[[User talk:Ainali|diskussion]]}_{[[Special:Bidrag/Ainali|bidrag]]}</small> 07:42, 20 March 2026 (UTC) ::Yes at least the ability to translate user messages, so that I for example could read the messages in this page in Spanish and reply in Spanish, and the rest of users translate them to their local languages. Otherwise cross-lingual collaborative effort isn't going to work unless everyone has a decent level of English as a second language. Thank you for the link! [[User:Hathor1719|Hathor1719]] ([[User talk:Hathor1719|talk]]) 08:42, 20 March 2026 (UTC) :: ::I would greatly appreciate automatic per-comment translation (the way Discourse implements it), and hope we find a way to implement that for the truly multilingual sites like this. In the wiki spirit, the outputs of the automatic translation should be savable and editable so that a) the computation of auto-translation only happens once into each target language and b) everyone can improve each of those translations. [[User:Sj|Sj]] ([[User talk:Sj|talk]]) 21:23, 22 March 2026 (UTC) == Using Function IDs == It seems like when creating an article you cannot insert a function ID (i.e. Z6839) in a function call's function field and you have to type in it's name and hope it pops up (which it seems as though it doesn't always). [[User:VivianIsBee|VivianIsBee]] ([[User talk:VivianIsBee|talk]]) 13:13, 20 March 2026 (UTC) == Not showing functions that return strings where an HTML fragment is needed == It might be good to adjust the search function inside the abstract wikipedia editor to show functions that return strings as grayed-out where an HTML fragment is needed, as it took me a while to realize that [https://www.wikifunctions.org/view/en/Z24102 label of item reference in specific/general lang] returns a string and not an HTML fragment, meaning that it doesn't show up when searching. [[User:VivianIsBee|VivianIsBee]] ([[User talk:VivianIsBee|talk]]) 13:30, 20 March 2026 (UTC) == Cannot find Lorrain in the language list == Hi, I wanted to try generating an article in lorrain ([[d:Q671198]]), but it does not appear in the selection list. Where can I ask for it to be added, so that I can try experimenting with it? Thanks! [[User:Poslovitch|Poslovitch]] ([[User talk:Poslovitch|talk]]) 19:48, 20 March 2026 (UTC) :I'm not certain, but I know it's a bit of a process that I think begins on Wikidata. Even if it were added, there would be no support for it in community-made functions, so for the foreseeable future this will be impossible. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 19:54, 20 March 2026 (UTC) ::There are already plenty of lexemes in lorrain on Wikidata. [[User:Poslovitch|Poslovitch]] ([[User talk:Poslovitch|talk]]) 20:38, 20 March 2026 (UTC) :::Can you point me to them? [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-17446-79|&#126;2026-17446-79]] ([[User talk:&#126;2026-17446-79|talk]]) 22:04, 20 March 2026 (UTC) ::::https://w.wiki/FiVz [[User:Poslovitch|Poslovitch]] ([[User talk:Poslovitch|talk]]) 06:12, 21 March 2026 (UTC) :I see no reason for not adding this to our list of languages, after all we already have plenty of languages, including dialects like [[f:Z1640]]. {{ping|Poslovitch}} does this mean you are volunteering to create wikifunctions in lorrain 🤣 Cheers, [[User:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[User talk:VIGNERON|talk]]) 09:50, 21 March 2026 (UTC) ::@[[User:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] Of course! I suppose this means the fonctions will need to support the many ways to write in lorrain, since it is not standardized. Do you have any examples of functions that support such things? [[User:Poslovitch|Poslovitch]] ([[User talk:Poslovitch|talk]]) 09:54, 21 March 2026 (UTC) :::I tried creating a "Natural language" object on Wikifunctions, but it seems I don't have permission to do this. &lt;rant&gt;Why is it always so hard with languages that have no ISO codes :sob: &lt;/rant&gt; [[User:Poslovitch|Poslovitch]] ([[User talk:Poslovitch|talk]]) 13:32, 21 March 2026 (UTC) ::::You wouldn’t be able to create a Natural language object even if you did have an ISO code to hand. Could you raise a ticket on Phabricator, tagged with [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/tag/abstract_wikipedia_team/ Abstract Wikipedia team]? [[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 14:54, 21 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Thanks @[[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]], will do! [[User:Poslovitch|Poslovitch]] ([[User talk:Poslovitch|talk]]) 14:56, 21 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Raised: [[phab:T420823]]. [[User:Poslovitch|Poslovitch]] ([[User talk:Poslovitch|talk]]) 15:09, 21 March 2026 (UTC) == Project namespace alias == On all other Wikipedias, "WP" is an alias of the Project namespace. Why isn't it here? There's also "Abstract", but that's too long for my liking. [[User:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|<span class="skin-invert" style="color:black;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:110%;font-weight:normal;line-height:normal">NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh</span>]] 21:48, 20 March 2026 (UTC) :Noting that this has been discussed multiple times on the telegram. I would prefer AWP, but it doesn't really matter. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-17446-79|&#126;2026-17446-79]] ([[User talk:&#126;2026-17446-79|talk]]) 22:02, 20 March 2026 (UTC) :well it’s not like another language version of Wikipedia, and there're still confusion if it’s a sister project or else. [[User:Tanbiruzzaman|Tanbiruzzaman]] ([[User talk:Tanbiruzzaman|talk]]) 22:09, 20 March 2026 (UTC) ::{{ping|Tanbiruzzaman}} It is listed as a Wikipedia on [[Special:SiteMatrix]]. The domain and database ID says so as well. [[User:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|<span class="skin-invert" style="color:black;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:110%;font-weight:normal;line-height:normal">NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh</span>]] 22:13, 20 March 2026 (UTC) :::It was an initial process to connect wikidata, but will be configured later, per [[phab:T420420]] (also check comments in [[phab:T420643]]). [[User:Tanbiruzzaman|Tanbiruzzaman]] ([[User talk:Tanbiruzzaman|talk]]) 22:32, 20 March 2026 (UTC) :On a similar note, is there a reason why [[Main Page]] is a redlink? Feels useful to redirect it to [[Abstract Wikipedia:Main page]]. //[[User:SHB2000|SHB2000]] ([[User talk:SHB2000|talk]]) 07:33, 25 March 2026 (UTC) ::redirect from mainspace is not possible here, I guess. You may give a try. [[User:Tanbiruzzaman|Tanbiruzzaman]] ([[User talk:Tanbiruzzaman|talk]]) 07:39, 25 March 2026 (UTC) :::Fair enough I guess. --[[User:SHB2000|SHB2000]] ([[User talk:SHB2000|talk]]) 07:41, 25 March 2026 (UTC) ::::I can do it if I'm an admin. This project has no local admins or bureaucrats. [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 23:42, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::I tried to create it and it shows "The provided title 'Main_Page' is not valid for an Abstract Article.", also tried to change the content model to wikitext and shows the same error. Note that I also have the similar technical rights as admin. @[[User:Koavf|Koavf]], is there another way you'd try if you're an administrator? [[User:Tanbiruzzaman|Tanbiruzzaman]] ([[User talk:Tanbiruzzaman|talk]]) 03:44, 27 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::Import from another project's "[[Main Page]]". I did this at [[:d:Main Page]] (but the community decided to delete it, which I did). [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 03:47, 27 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::We do not have [[:f:Main Page]] either and I do not see why it would be needed here. --[[User:Ameisenigel|Ameisenigel]] ([[User talk:Ameisenigel|talk]]) 23:06, 27 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::I can easily imagine the scenario where there are incoming links to it. [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 23:58, 27 March 2026 (UTC) ::@[[User:SHB2000|SHB2000]]: Because the main namespace is not meant to have anything other than abstract articles in it, the same as for Wikifunctions and Wikidata. [[User:Jdforrester (WMF)|Jdforrester (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Jdforrester (WMF)|talk]]) 18:22, 27 March 2026 (UTC) :I checked the [[Special:NamespaceInfo|namespace information]] to see if there were any aliases for the Project namespace and I saw that Abstract: was an alias. Would that conflict with the interwiki prefix abstract:? [[User:ChaoticVermillion|<span style="color: orangered">Chaotic</span><span style="color: crimson">Vermillion</span>]] ([[User talk:ChaoticVermillion|converse]], [[Special:Contributions/ChaoticVermillion|contribs]]) 23:07, 28 March 2026 (UTC) == Making it easier to contribute == I'm aware that we're only a few days into the public beta of this project, and everything is a little rough around the edges, but I thought it could be useful to come up with some goals to work towards in order to make the site more accommodating and easier to contribute to, for newer and more experienced editors alike. (If there's a place where this discussion is already taking place please tell me and I can move there). Here are some thoughts I had so far: * Most of the current articles are extremely short, just one or two sentences long. I think it would be good to pick one article in each of a few main categories (e.g. one country, one type of food, one notable person, etc.) and work to try to include as much relevant information as possible, to serve as an example for future articles of similar types. * As I understand it, a lot of the limitations for what kind of information we can include in an article is due to which functions exist on Wikifunctions. We have [[Abstract Wikipedia:Useful functions for article composition]], which is a good way to find some functions, but this list can't include every single function, so it would be good to have some way to find relevant functions on Wikifunctions. Is there a category containing AWP-related functions there? I'm not too familiar with Wikifunctions yet but if there is a category, we should link it there. * In a similar vein, it seems like there are very few such functions currently available. It would be good to have some kind of guide as to how to create such functions that can be used here. I tried creating a new function there yesterday and it took me a while to find my way around, and I still haven't figured it out completely, so a guide specifically for people wanting to improve Abstract Wikipedia could be useful. * Lastly it might be worth coming up with a list of policies and guidelines that we want to make to begin with. Currently there are none, and obviously it's quite time consuming to create new policies, but coming up with a set of basic ones would be helpful I think. Let me know your thoughts. Cheers, &#123;&#123;[[User:GearsDatapacks|GearsDatapacks]]&#124;[[User talk:GearsDatapacks|talk]]&#124;[[Special:Contributions/GearsDatapacks|contribs]]&#125;&#125; 19:52, 21 March 2026 (UTC) :Just had a closer look at Wikifunctions; seems [[f:Wikifunctions:Catalogue/Natural language operations/Global language functions]] might be a good place to link to. &#123;&#123;[[User:GearsDatapacks|GearsDatapacks]]&#124;[[User talk:GearsDatapacks|talk]]&#124;[[Special:Contributions/GearsDatapacks|contribs]]&#125;&#125; 20:00, 21 March 2026 (UTC) ::I support the goal of making it easier to contribute. From my point of view a place where people can write example sentences in specific languages about specific facts and can request a function for it will be useful. So far I it is difficult for me to understand how it is possible to define content in a abstract way and convert it into texts in different natural languages. It seems to me like it requires to much available data at functions and Wikidata Lexemes what is not there for many small languages so far. So I prefer a monolingual approach based on Wikidata statements. Then people can write sentences what explain a specific Wikidata statement or multiple ones and this can be done for many languages. [[User:Hogü-456|Hogü-456]] ([[User talk:Hogü-456|talk]]) 20:49, 21 March 2026 (UTC) :I do agree that creating these linguistic functions would be easier if we had a guide, though it's not exactly a cut and paste process (it requires a lot of thinking to figure out edge cases, whether your use case makes sense across languages, what will be included in the scope of your function, what will not be, what the utility will be, etc.). An example of thinking this out poorly is [[f:Z31405]], where it's painfullyy clear that the Abstract Wikipedia team didn't think these questions through well enough, where the description says that they couldn't even decide whether the function would output a phrase or a noun, there is little to no utility in composing articles, and the edge cases are insurmountable with their current approach. :It's not exactly the same, but I've noted on the telegram that we should make it easier to make new language versions of existing functions. Unlike object labels, however, that requires either programming experience or a very in-depth tutorial, which we do not have. The lack of language-versions is natural if you think about it (if 1% of the world can make a Wikifunctions function and 1% can translate the concepts effectively between the languages we want, 0.01% can help us here), so the tutorial route seems like the only logical method. Spreading awareness as to contributing this way on the main page could also be helpful [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 00:35, 22 March 2026 (UTC) ::Yeah, some kind of tutorial would be phenomenal. There could be some walk-through tutorials for creating some basic linguistic functions. That seems to be the bottleneck to progress here - practically all sentences follow the format "X is Y". ::I've been looking forward to Abstract for awhile now (finding out it released yesterday, a bit too late), but it's completely unapproachable - it feels like I need a master's degree in both Computer Science and Linguistics in order to contribute to the growth of this project. It's a new project, sure, but it took at least an hour to write two sentences in [[Q711|Q711 (Mongolia)]]. Doesn't help that I only speak English. [[User:EatingCarBatteries|EatingCarBatteries]] ([[User talk:EatingCarBatteries|talk]]) 05:41, 27 March 2026 (UTC) :I suggest a bot that extract useful information and statistics including which functions are used. [[github:dpriskorn/wf-dump-scripts|See my prototype pipeline]]. [[User:So9q|So9q]] ([[User talk:So9q|talk]]) 06:26, 31 March 2026 (UTC) == Involving small language versions == As Abstract Wikipedia can help small Wikipedia language versions offering more content in this language I think it is important to try to get people from such projects involved. From my point of view the highest chance to get it done is if people who know people contributing to small language version talk to the contributors and invite them to contribute to Abstract Wikipedia. In Wikifunctions I expected more involvement of small language versions and I think it is important to make it easier to contribute and find a way how to communicate with people who do not speak English. As it is not the case everyone can speak this language. What do you think how is it possible to get more people from small Wikipedia language versions involved in Abstract Wikipedia and Wikifunctions. [[User:Hogü-456|Hogü-456]] ([[User talk:Hogü-456|talk]]) 20:55, 21 March 2026 (UTC) : I am interested in using AW/WF with the [[incubator:]], perhaps a workflow could be developed for that. — [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 18:52, 22 March 2026 (UTC) :: Have you tried to call Wikifunctions functions in the Incubatorwiki. I think adding language specific implementatations is the first step. It seems to me like simple sentences can be generated through calling Wikifunctions functions and so for this no Abstract Wikipedia is required. — [[User:Hogü-456|Hogü-456]] ([[User talk:Hogü-456|talk]]) 20:38, 22 March 2026 (UTC) ::: I'll try it. [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 06:02, 23 March 2026 (UTC) == URL-Parameter for specific language == Is it possible to call an abstract Wikipedia article with a URL-Parameter specifying the language. I looked for random pages and I got examples without a german Implementation. I am interested in sharing an example and for this I want to set a link people can klick on to get the result in the expected language afterwards. [[User:Hogü-456|Hogü-456]] ([[User talk:Hogü-456|talk]]) 20:43, 22 March 2026 (UTC) :You can add "?uselang=de" to render the article in German, if that is what you mean. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 22:41, 22 March 2026 (UTC) :@[[User:Hogü-456|Hogü-456]]: Yes, like with Wikifunctions you should be able to go to <code>/view/fr/Q123456</code> but that's waiting for some production re-configuration to work. [[User:Jdforrester (WMF)|Jdforrester (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Jdforrester (WMF)|talk]]) 13:12, 23 March 2026 (UTC) ::Great 🤩 [[User:So9q|So9q]] ([[User talk:So9q|talk]]) 06:28, 31 March 2026 (UTC) == Purpose of language-specific functions? == Some functions that produce sentences seem to have language-specific functions for every language, I.e. "Brazilian Sign Language: article-less defining". Why is this? What functions have this multiplicity? I thought one point of AWP was to have language-independend functions, all of which have specifications for how they would render outputs in different languages (where the choice of output language is decided at the client, or at the final step of rendering, not for each function in turn). [[User:Sj|Sj]] ([[User talk:Sj|talk]]) 21:23, 22 March 2026 (UTC) :This is just a side effect of how Wikifunctions works. Essentially the generic "Article-less defining fragment" checks which language you want, and then calls the language-specific version. You should only use the generic ones in abstract articles. &#123;&#123;[[User:GearsDatapacks|GearsDatapacks]]&#124;[[User talk:GearsDatapacks|talk]]&#124;[[Special:Contributions/GearsDatapacks|contribs]]&#125;&#125; 21:50, 22 March 2026 (UTC) ::Aha thanks, then the interface should probably not be showing the hundreds of language-specific ones in the selector drop-down for editors. [[User:Sj|Sj]] ([[User talk:Sj|talk]]) 18:55, 23 March 2026 (UTC) :::Agreed, although I'm not sure how easy it would be to filter them out; there's not really anything distinguishing them from the general functions, they're both functions that take some input and return monolingual text as output. Maybe worth opening a phabricator ticket to get the opinion of people on the technical side of Abstract Wikipedia. &#123;&#123;[[User:GearsDatapacks|GearsDatapacks]]&#124;[[User talk:GearsDatapacks|talk]]&#124;[[Special:Contributions/GearsDatapacks|contribs]]&#125;&#125; 19:39, 23 March 2026 (UTC) ::::I think the best way to do it would be to have some sort of tag for "multilingual function"? [[User:Infernostars|Infernostars]] ([[User talk:Infernostars|talk]]) 21:43, 25 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Yes. I think this reveals that there are (at least) two kinds of functions on Wikifunctions. Those that are (mainly) helper functions (although they may be useful for external reuse or in abstract articles about a language) and Abstract-ready functions. Having a way to mark them as such on Wikidata, and then by default filter on Wikifunctions would increase usability a lot. <span style="color:#EAA">♥</span>[[User:Ainali|Ainali]] <small>^{[[User talk:Ainali|discussion]]}_{[[Special:Contributions/Ainali|contributions]]}</small> 08:22, 28 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::I agree that we need to be able to reduce the noise when finding functions. ::::::I also agree that it would be very valuable to create function categories and be able to filter when searching. ::::::I also agree that defaulting on AW to "top-level" functions is a good idea. ::::::@ainali what do y mean mark them in Wikidata? Functions are not notable there if I understood correctly. [[User:So9q|So9q]] ([[User talk:So9q|talk]]) 06:33, 31 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::@[[User:So9q|So9q]] Oh, it's my mistake, mind wandering while writing. Instead of "on Wikidata" I meant "in metadata". <span style="color:#EAA">♥</span>[[User:Ainali|Ainali]] <small>^{[[User talk:Ainali|discussion]]}_{[[Special:Contributions/Ainali|contributions]]}</small> 15:48, 31 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::Oh, ok, I agree. My prototype to extract statistics could be used to find sll top level html functions. ::::::::We could limit it to functions over a certain number to not count the built in functions. ::::::::We could do quite a lot of work with the data to help people gaps. E.g. most used functions in AW missing support for Swedish for example. 😀 [[User:So9q|So9q]] ([[User talk:So9q|talk]]) 20:17, 31 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::::The prototype script used to generate https://www.wikifunctions.org/wiki/Wikifunctions:Statistics/Z8 could rather easily be forked and adapted to AW 😀 [[User:So9q|So9q]] ([[User talk:So9q|talk]]) 06:45, 1 April 2026 (UTC) == "It" in abstract wikipedia == How should the concept of "it" be represented in abstract wikipedia? Otherwise it leads to a lot of sentences like "Brussels is the capital of Belgium. Brussels is a large city. Brussels is...". Also, is there any plans for some form of easier to understand "authoring language" or something? The current approach with writing wikifunctions is hard to understand and write. [[User:VivianIsBee|VivianIsBee]] ([[User talk:VivianIsBee|talk]]) 19:35, 23 March 2026 (UTC) :Every concept is represented in Abstract Wikipedia through its Wikidata item, which would be [[d:Q6091500]] in this case. I'm not exactly sure what you mean by an "authoring language" (some sample texts of your idea would be helpful), but I don't think there's much improvement to be had while still writing in an abstract language (that is to say, most improvements would make the language more concrete). [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 20:18, 23 March 2026 (UTC) ::I mean more like a format easier to work with than wikifunctions. Like some form of computer-parsable conlang which can be "compiled" into wikifunctions. [[User:VivianIsBee|VivianIsBee]] ([[User talk:VivianIsBee|talk]]) 20:47, 23 March 2026 (UTC) :This is a tough problem, because the pronoun you would use is semantically different in different languages. I think we have to make a "refer to previously-mentioned" function that takes a Wikidata item, reads properties like person or object, (linguistic) gender, etc, and spits out a pronoun. Hopefully it can be done that simply. [[User:Snowmanonahoe|Snowmanonahoe]] ([[User talk:Snowmanonahoe|talk]]) 18:41, 25 March 2026 (UTC) ::Yeah that would make sense. I can try to draft one for English (that's the only language I know at least for now) so we can get a proof of concept. [[User:VivianIsBee|VivianIsBee]] ([[User talk:VivianIsBee|talk]]) 18:48, 25 March 2026 (UTC) ::Ooh. I could be wrong but I think wikidata doesn't have a property for "grammatical gender". For English I'll probably match on P21 and if it's an instance of Q5, and if it doesn't have P21 and is an instance of Q5 do they/them, if not an instance of Q5 and doesn't have P21 it/its, and otherwise match on P21. Also we'll need multiple "refer to" functions for different types of pronouns (possessive, nominative, etc). [[User:VivianIsBee|VivianIsBee]] ([[User talk:VivianIsBee|talk]]) 18:57, 25 March 2026 (UTC) :::About the grammatical gender property: yeah, you're probably right. That's the tough part, because we're going to need individual properties for every language with grammatical gender. See the similar discussion about classifier/measure words and articles below. [[User:Snowmanonahoe|Snowmanonahoe]] ([[User talk:Snowmanonahoe|talk]]) 19:06, 25 March 2026 (UTC) ::@[[User:VivianIsBee|VivianIsBee]] We do have [[:d:Property:P5185]], but this is applied only to lexemes and not to items. [[User:Mahir256|Mahir256]] ([[User talk:Mahir256|talk]]) 20:49, 25 March 2026 (UTC) == Supported languages for an article == Is there a possiblity to see all languages an article can be displayed in. I looked at [[Q2290517]] and it seems like there is not yet a German version for this article. From my point of view knowing what articles are missing in the language of interest is important for working on abstract articles. As I looked at random pages I got a timeout as my user interface is in German and the generation of the article in German was not sucessful. So I think it is also necessary for checking if the article can be displayed in the user interface language. [[User:Hogü-456|Hogü-456]] ([[User talk:Hogü-456|talk]]) 21:17, 24 March 2026 (UTC) :This is not something that is convenient to check at all. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 21:55, 24 March 2026 (UTC) ::It would be great if it were clearer which was the first (or all, if possible) function that failed to render in a language to help the user go make necessary additions on Wikifunctions. <span style="color:#EAA">♥</span>[[User:Ainali|Ainali]] <small>^{[[User talk:Ainali|discussion]]}_{[[Special:Contributions/Ainali|contributions]]}</small> 08:24, 28 March 2026 (UTC) :::I agree, I recently wrote the team and suggested a clear backtrace so the user can see an overview of the chain of functions and steps in which step failed in which function. :::I'm imagining something like the GitHub actions job pipeline overview, where you can easily see the process and the output from the failing step. [[User:So9q|So9q]] ([[User talk:So9q|talk]]) 06:41, 31 March 2026 (UTC) == [[f:Z26039|Z26039]] and [[f:Z26095|Z26095]] == This is a big mistake, and it's best we fix it now. Anything relating to particular languages or even groups of languages needs to stay all the way out of the generic functions. Languages have different rules for articles, some of them don't even have articles. This kind of thing cannot be reconciled at the general function-level. As to the alternate way we deal with this, that's a little tougher. My first thought is a bunch of Wikidata properties that tell you whether an article precedes an entity's label in a particular language. That idea could work, but there are some obvious problems: *Are there languages where the presence of an article is contextual, too? *No one will fill these properties, especially in languages other than English, because we will accumulate dozens of them that have to go on every single word ever [[User:Snowmanonahoe|Snowmanonahoe]] ([[User talk:Snowmanonahoe|talk]]) 13:23, 25 March 2026 (UTC) :Can you give me an example of a language where this distinction actively prevents the functions from working? Some languages do not have articles, but that just means that the two are interchangeable. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 13:26, 25 March 2026 (UTC) ::Trivially. ::*[[w:Golf|Golf]] on enwiki: "Golf is a club-and-ball sport in which players use various clubs to hit a ball into a series of holes on a course in as few strokes as possible." ::*[[w:es:Golf|Golf]] on eswiki: "El golf es un deporte cuyo objetivo es introducir una bola en los hoyos que están distribuidos en el campo con el menor número de golpes, utilizando para cada tipo de golpe uno de entre un conjunto de palos ligeramente diferentes entre sí, ya que la cabeza del palo tiene ángulos distintos, al igual que las varillas tienen longitudes diferentes." ::[[User:Snowmanonahoe|Snowmanonahoe]] ([[User talk:Snowmanonahoe|talk]]) 13:34, 25 March 2026 (UTC) :::That's not a meaningful difference, though, and both examples use Z26039. Z26039 and Z26095 have different semantic meanings, they aren't stylistic choices. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 16:01, 25 March 2026 (UTC) ::::<em>Stylistic choice?</em> Is this a joke? Do you think the word "the" in English is a stylistic choice? [[User:Snowmanonahoe|Snowmanonahoe]] ([[User talk:Snowmanonahoe|talk]]) 16:19, 25 March 2026 (UTC) :::::I mean, yes? If you can be understood perfectly without it that's what it is. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 16:21, 25 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::You just said "Z26039 and Z26095 have different semantic meanings". [[User:Snowmanonahoe|Snowmanonahoe]] ([[User talk:Snowmanonahoe|talk]]) 16:27, 25 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Yes. "The" has no semantic meaning, but there is a semantic difference between "A bird is a dinosaur" and "Bird is a dinosaur" (The latter is about a specific animal names Bird). [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 21:06, 25 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::It does though, no? See Wiktionary's second example: ::::::::: ''You live on Main Street, don't you? You know, you should tell the mayor '''the''' street needs cleaning.'' ::::::::Generally it's used to refer to a singular identifiable instance (there's more definitions, but this is the primary one), which I think is definitely enough to put it outside of "no semantic meaning". [[User:Infernostars|Infernostars]] ([[User talk:Infernostars|talk]]) 21:18, 25 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::::I can understand it perfectly fine if you remove "the", though. The fact that the thing can be obviously identified with "the" means that it can be obviously identified without it. It's convenient, though. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 21:21, 25 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::::The solution you're proposing to the problem at hand is pretty much "completely abandon grammatical articles in every language except English". You're right that it's not the end of the world, but we should at least try to solve the problem first. [[User:Snowmanonahoe|Snowmanonahoe]] ([[User talk:Snowmanonahoe|talk]]) 21:26, 25 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::No. That's definitely ''not'' what I'm saying. I'm disputing your insinuation that something is wrong with our current approach. We can solve any stylistic problems on a language by language basis, and semantic problems in the abstract content. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 22:09, 25 March 2026 (UTC) :By the way, even a single generic function for "X is a Y" is already too much, it neglects [[w:measure word|measure word]]s in Chinese, Japanese, and Korean. [[User:Snowmanonahoe|Snowmanonahoe]] ([[User talk:Snowmanonahoe|talk]]) 13:39, 25 March 2026 (UTC) ::Oh god... measure words. How the fuck do we deal with measure words? ::Have a look at the article for [[w:Chinese classifiers|Chinese classifiers]]. I have no idea how to deal with these. [[User:Snowmanonahoe|Snowmanonahoe]] ([[User talk:Snowmanonahoe|talk]]) 14:58, 25 March 2026 (UTC) :::I would presume Wikidata has those available to find? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 16:09, 25 March 2026 (UTC) ::::No, I just checked and Wikidata doesn't have a property for this yet. We would need to do a decent amount of workshopping to define such a property well for the proposal there (it wouldn't just be "Chinese classifier for"; I think something like "Chinese count-classifier for"? The count-classifiers that simply disappear in Germanic languages are the real concern, as the mass-classifiers can generally be paired with the noun to translate into an English word) but I think it could work barring some edge cases. ::::My main concern is if fundamentally we want to solve these sorts of problems this way. If so, we're going to be asking Wikidata to make hundreds if not thousands of properties over the coming months. Is that the best way to do this? I'm wondering if anyone has a better idea. [[User:Snowmanonahoe|Snowmanonahoe]] ([[User talk:Snowmanonahoe|talk]]) 18:15, 25 March 2026 (UTC) :::::And... is it going to <em>work?</em> How many Wikidata items only have a label in one or two languages as-is? This is only going to exacerbate that problem by quadrupling the work to translate a word, and putting us basically at square one. [[User:Snowmanonahoe|Snowmanonahoe]] ([[User talk:Snowmanonahoe|talk]]) 18:27, 25 March 2026 (UTC) ::::@[[User:Snowmanonahoe|Snowmanonahoe]] There is [[:d:Property:P5978]] which can be used to say that a particular lexeme sense is used with a specific classifier (not just in Mandarin but also in languages like Malay), as well as [[:d:Property:P10927]] which can indicate the reverse relation (but for parsimony's sake should point to more general classes rather than to every applicable sense in existence). [[User:Mahir256|Mahir256]] ([[User talk:Mahir256|talk]]) 20:53, 25 March 2026 (UTC) :::::@[[User:Mahir256|Mahir256]]: Thank you, I didn't know about Wikidata's work on lexemes. This seems a lot more doable now. Question: is there any way to move from an item to a lexeme, e.g. if I had [[d:Q81727]] and I wanted [[d:L:L3965]]? [[User:Snowmanonahoe|Snowmanonahoe]] ([[User talk:Snowmanonahoe|talk]]) 20:58, 25 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::@[[User:Snowmanonahoe|Snowmanonahoe]] re: your first sentence, I suspect that most people with questions here are clueless about lexemes (something the Abstract Wikipedia team made a grave mistake in not properly having addressed before this launch). In general links go from lexeme senses to items and not the other way around, [[:d:Wikidata:Lexicographical_data/Documentation/Senses#Properties_regarding_relationships_to_Wikidata_items|with several properties available to do so]], and while there is a Wikifunction to go from an item to a lexeme, I cannot endorse the current method of composing abstract articles (<small>see my reply under "Authoring Language" below</small>) enough to mention what Wikifunction that is. [[User:Mahir256|Mahir256]] ([[User talk:Mahir256|talk]]) 21:11, 25 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::The function being referred to by Mahir is [[f:Z6830]]. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 21:25, 25 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::It would be helpful if you read a bit about the project before insisting that we're doing it wrong. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18667-44|&#126;2026-18667-44]] ([[User talk:&#126;2026-18667-44|talk]]) 22:11, 25 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Could you elaborate? [[User:Snowmanonahoe|Snowmanonahoe]] ([[User talk:Snowmanonahoe|talk]]) 22:15, 25 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::You don't even know about Lexemes, much less the complexities of the project. You come into the project chat without the slightest sliver of a clue and then tell everyone that they are "making a big mistake." Perhaps next time you could phrase it like "What is the distinction between these two functions? Does this not present concerns about XYZ?" [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18688-73|&#126;2026-18688-73]] ([[User talk:&#126;2026-18688-73|talk]]) 02:09, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::::I'd be happy to hear why I'm wrong. [[User:Snowmanonahoe|Snowmanonahoe]] ([[User talk:Snowmanonahoe|talk]]) 02:18, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :Is it just me or does 26039 only return void? [[User:MetalBreaksAndBends|MetalBreaksAndBends]] ([[User talk:MetalBreaksAndBends|talk]]) 18:31, 25 March 2026 (UTC) ::Does for me, too, the English version anyway. [[User:Snowmanonahoe|Snowmanonahoe]] ([[User talk:Snowmanonahoe|talk]]) 18:42, 25 March 2026 (UTC) :::If my debugging is right, everything except Russian, Ukrainian, and Belarusian is completely broken. [[User:MetalBreaksAndBends|MetalBreaksAndBends]] ([[User talk:MetalBreaksAndBends|talk]]) 18:44, 25 March 2026 (UTC) ::::For me, English renders fine now [perhaps due to a recent edit? hard to be sure]. Not sure if it's entirely fixed though. [[User:Infernostars|Infernostars]] ([[User talk:Infernostars|talk]]) 21:08, 25 March 2026 (UTC) :I agree there is a problem with the current approach. My proposed solution: I'm hoping the top level call from Abstract Wikipedia will be optionally allowed to send parameters like the grammatical number "plural" of the subject, which could be considered by the specific language alongside other context about the subject/object item to formulate the grammar (e.g. [[f:Z32496]]), and by the time it gets to the English constructor (e.g. [[f:Z32410]]), the English function will have the "subject is plural" boolean set (to decide "has"/"have" as well as the articles). I'm working on this particular example and all the required helper functions. If the English version works, I'll seek to make a configuration that allows similar in other languages. PS off topic, but I also think we will often want these functions to return HTML not monolingual text, so that we can embed hyperlinks. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 02:37, 26 March 2026 (UTC) ::HTML is ideal because you don't need to convert it. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 13:16, 26 March 2026 (UTC) ::I’m not sure we want to favour particular features; don’t we simply want to determine the relevant set of lexemes for an item/language pairing? We don’t have selective fetch for lexemes, so the set may need to be limited, but identifying the more salient lexemes still requires considering the full set, unless we filter by “lexical similarity” between the item’s labels and/or aliases and the lexeme’s lemma and/or forms. [[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 13:58, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::I don't quite understand what you are objecting to, or what problem you forsee. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 00:22, 27 March 2026 (UTC) ::::I’m not objecting to anything, although the notion of “sending” is a little alien in a functional context. The problem is knowing which features (predicates) are most salient. I guess it’s simply an optimisation, so further relevant details can be fetched later if the context requires them. But I’d still think in terms of filtered statement sets, and perhaps different filters per language. If we’re going to be language specific, it’s natural to consider extending the selective fetch to include sense-related lexemes. [[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 11:26, 27 March 2026 (UTC) == Authoring Language == Wikifunctions are kind of a pain to work with directly (no offense to the creators of them, they're an amazing platform and overall very impressive, just kind of by their nature they are built to be more abstract and closer to lambda calculus over "regular" programming languages), and that extends to Abstract Wikipedia. Has it been thought about making a sort of "authoring language" that is easier to work with than directly using Wikifunctions, but then "compiles" directly to Wikifunctions? My idea is sort of making a computer-parsable, natural language-agnostic conlang or even just some sort of custom markup language that could optionally be used to write abwiki articles and then would be stored along with the compiled wikifunctions and a timestamp of last compile so if an update was made then previous articles could be recompiled automatically. I'm of course not one of the abwiki staff members, so if this doesn't fit the "spirit" of it or something let me know, but I think it'd be helpful. [[User:VivianIsBee|VivianIsBee]] ([[User talk:VivianIsBee|talk]]) 19:14, 25 March 2026 (UTC) :I proposed adding support for Spreadsheetfunctions to Wikifunctions. It is better than defining a new language. From my point of view there are in relation to other programming languages many people who can write spreadsheet functions and they are translated into many different natural languages. In the past I did some experiments regarding the automatical conversion of Spreadsheet functions into the programming language R. I am interested in defining an Abstract Article in an Spreadsheet and I think it is possible. It is from my point of view important to lower the barrer to create an Abstract Article and creating functions in Wikifunctions. Maybe the goal of making it abstract makes it more complicated and language specific functions are easier to create for many people. [[User:Hogü-456|Hogü-456]] ([[User talk:Hogü-456|talk]]) 20:25, 25 March 2026 (UTC) :@[[User:VivianIsBee|VivianIsBee]] I have presented to the Abstract Wikipedia team about an abstract content authoring language [[f:Wikifunctions:Status updates/2024-10-17|multiple]] [https://elemwala.toolforge.org/static/nlgsig-nov2025.html times]. It is unfortunate that the current infrastructure does not seek to support this yet. [[User:Mahir256|Mahir256]] ([[User talk:Mahir256|talk]]) 20:49, 25 March 2026 (UTC) == Definite articles == Heya! Been working on the page [[Q778]] [and thus the [https://www.wikifunctions.org/view/en/Z26570 Z26570] function] - is there a way to check if a word needs a definite article [i.e. the] or not? Right now it's "''The Bahamas is an island country in Caribbean.''" which is close but needs a definite article [before Caribbean]. But I can't just always add it, since cases like "''Lubeck is a city in the Germany.''" would be wrong. Is there any solution for this yet? [[User:Infernostars|Infernostars]] ([[User talk:Infernostars|talk]]) 21:06, 25 March 2026 (UTC) :IIRC this has been discussed on the telegram/IRC. Not sure if a solution was found. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 21:23, 25 March 2026 (UTC) :@[[User:99of9|99of9]] is working on this: [[:f:Z32645]] [[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 14:02, 26 March 2026 (UTC) ::hmm, tried adding this to [[f:Z30397]], but it makes it return an empty string for some reason? presumably i'm doing something wrong but not sure what... :( [faulty implementation at [[f:Z32738]]] [[User:Infernostars|Infernostars]] ([[User talk:Infernostars|talk]]) 19:55, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::The reason was that the argument to Z32645 is a Wikidata item reference, not a Wikidata item. I've fixed it now. But I switched it so that it only adds the definite article when the Kleenean is absolutely True, more than Maybe. I hope I will be able to achieve that for Caribbean, although it doesn't currently do so. I'll keep working on it today. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 00:20, 27 March 2026 (UTC) == Editing the direct code of pages == I find the current GUI editor to be quite clunky and harder for more complex topics. I'm assuming there is some way that I can edit the code of pages, so I can more quickly write functions without clicking through GUIs. Like I heavily doubt someone wrote [[Q15433043]] by clicking through GUIs. Also, does anyone know of a function that concats two strings with a space in between? Would I just use [[wikifunctions:Z21394|Z21394]], adding a space between two calls to objects (i.e. "Mars" + " " + "Jupiter")? [[User:EatingCarBatteries|EatingCarBatteries]] ([[User talk:EatingCarBatteries|talk]]) 20:19, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :For [[Q15433043]], it looks like they just wrote it in plain English and didn't use functions, so that's why it's so long I think. For joining, [[f:Z22504]] looks like a pretty good option. [[User:Infernostars|Infernostars]] ([[User talk:Infernostars|talk]]) 20:40, 26 March 2026 (UTC) ::Thanks, that looks good. I hope more languages support it down the road. [[User:EatingCarBatteries|EatingCarBatteries]] ([[User talk:EatingCarBatteries|talk]]) 20:45, 26 March 2026 (UTC) ::When I try to insert this in a [[wikifunctions:Z28016|"defining role sentence"]], it doesn't appear and throws an error. Do you know why? [[User:EatingCarBatteries|EatingCarBatteries]] ([[User talk:EatingCarBatteries|talk]]) 20:51, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :There are several, but I think they are best left to language-specific functions on Wikifunctions. How do you know that a space is required? [[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 20:42, 26 March 2026 (UTC) ::For example, in [[Q711|Mongolia]], I would like to write "Ulaanbaatar is the capital and largest city of Mongolia". As of now, I would have to write that in two separate sentences and be very repetitive. [[User:EatingCarBatteries|EatingCarBatteries]] ([[User talk:EatingCarBatteries|talk]]) 20:46, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::There’s a long journey ahead of us. At this stage I’d be thinking more in terms of [[f:Z32163]]. At least that way we can join adjacent sentences more naturally, when we have appropriate functions to do that. And we can implement “paragraph” differently according to the target language, without having to change the existing abstract content. [[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 21:07, 26 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Yeah that's what I expected, the project has just started after all. Thanks for this. ::::How are you finding these functions? I'm having trouble locating them. Also, is there a way that I can copy and paste functions from one article to another in the case of cookie-cutter articles? [[User:EatingCarBatteries|EatingCarBatteries]] ([[User talk:EatingCarBatteries|talk]]) 21:45, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::You can copy individual function calls in edit mode. Just click on the three vertical dots and select Copy to clipboard. This is currently specific to a particular browser and site, so you cannot copy between Wikifunctions and AW. You can also copy parts of calls by clicking on the three horizontal dots [[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 22:26, 26 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::Great, I didn't see that, thank you! So there is no current way to edit the underlying code of the page? [[User:EatingCarBatteries|EatingCarBatteries]] ([[User talk:EatingCarBatteries|talk]]) 22:35, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::It depends what you mean by “underlying code”. All articles are a list of one or more sections containing function calls. You can add and remove sections (apart from the first) and move sections up and down. Within a section, you can move function calls up and down, but you can only move a function call (or part of one) from one section to another by using the clipboard. The real underlying code is the functions themselves, and these can be amended on Wikifunctions. [[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 22:44, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::For tips on finding functions, please see [[:f:Wikifunctions:Find]]. It is also helpful to look at other AW articles, of course. On Wikifunctions, you can look at a related function’s implementations or test cases, as these may reference broader or narrower functions. And “What links here” is available from the Tools menu. [[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 22:38, 26 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::Thank you very much for you help. I think that's all I need to know for now, happy editing :) [[User:EatingCarBatteries|EatingCarBatteries]] ([[User talk:EatingCarBatteries|talk]]) 23:07, 26 March 2026 (UTC) == Code editing == I created and am attempting to edit [[Q687168]]. It is difficult to figure out what is going on because I am stuck at a visual editor. I would like to play around with comparing it to code on other pages, but the visual thing makes that pretty difficult. Also is there a way to edit things in a sandbox or something so I can experiment without it being in mainspace? [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 23:25, 27 March 2026 (UTC) :Code-based (as in, the underlying form articles are stored in, which was temporarily visible due to a bug when the wiki was just being set up) editing is currently not possible, and I'm not sure if the development team has any plan to implement it (cc {{ping|Jdforrester (WMF)}}). As for your issue, you should not be using a literal string, but a function call instead, which allows you to use one of the functions on Wikifunctions (how to pictured). Though the project is in its early days, a general guide on creating articles is available at [[Help:How to create an article]] with links to other helpful pages. As for sandboxes, you can subscribe to the [[phab:T421417| task on Phabricator]] if you have an account there. [[File:Set literal string to function call guide, Abstract Wikipedia.png|thumb|How to convert to function call]] [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 00:40, 28 March 2026 (UTC) ::Well I really hope that they implement code editing because wikidata is okay since it only has properties. But these functions are just too much. I feel like I should be able to relatively easily take code from one article and put it on another one. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 02:58, 28 March 2026 (UTC) :::You can use the copying feature! If you click the 3 dots next to a function call you get an option to copy, which you can then paste elsewhere using the same 3 dots. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 03:06, 28 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Thank you. I do not think that this is the best alternative, but it is better [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 18:50, 28 March 2026 (UTC) == Put this on ice == How are non-English speakers (who this project is specifically for) meant to develop this wiki's practices and policies if a) all project pages are only available in English, and discussion is largely done in English, and b) there's no attempt to get non-en.wiki communities onboard. At present this looks like it's just going to produce Anglocentric/Eurocentric content, which belies the whole point of having a wiki in one's native language. Yes it's early days and everyone is experimenting and bug-fixing, but the project has already been released to community control, with a predominantly English-speaking/European community. This needs to be put on ice until it can be launched properly with multilingual support and invitations to all wikis, particularly smaller ones. [[User:Kowal2701|Kowal2701]] ([[User talk:Kowal2701|talk]]) 11:44, 28 March 2026 (UTC) :Just because it's not perfect doesn't mean it needs to be shut down. These are all gradual processes. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 15:58, 28 March 2026 (UTC) ::There’s being "not perfect" where things can be improved at a later date, and then there's having antithetical foundations. Also see [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(WMF)#c-Warudo-20260327114000-Warudo-20260327113600] re functions. [[User:Kowal2701|Kowal2701]] ([[User talk:Kowal2701|talk]]) 16:15, 28 March 2026 (UTC) :::You haven't named a single thing that can't be improved at a later date. We're hoping to be able to translate project pages. Non-enwiki communities can be gotten on board later. Function generation already works multilingually in many cases, and those where it does not can be improved. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 16:57, 28 March 2026 (UTC) ::::When the practices and policies will have already been developed, and informal positions of authority already filled. [[User:Kowal2701|Kowal2701]] ([[User talk:Kowal2701|talk]]) 17:04, 28 March 2026 (UTC) :::::@[[User:Kowal2701|Kowal2701]] Thank you for your concerns. We are already aiming at less-served communities through specific calls to action to create more language functions and abstract content in their language. Just give the time to actually see these changes happen. Cheers, [[User:Sannita (WMF)|Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 18:55, 28 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::Hi Sannita, I'm just wondering how are AW project pages planned to be translated in the future? Is there going to be use of some kind of automated tool such as DeepL or Google Translate, or will it be a custom-designed system? [[User:EatingCarBatteries|EatingCarBatteries]] ([[User talk:EatingCarBatteries|talk]]) 20:39, 28 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::@[[User:EatingCarBatteries|EatingCarBatteries]] We will enable the Translate extension soon, so everyone will be able to translate project pages into their own languages. Sorry for keeping you waiting on this. [[User:Sannita (WMF)|Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 10:41, 29 March 2026 (UTC) :@[[User:Kowal2701|Kowal2701]]: thank you for your concern and suggestion. When this Beta started, we have immediately [[:f:Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-03-19|mentioned that there might be the possibility of restarting the project]]. So that might indeed happen. :But so far, this early start of the not fully polished project allows us to learn so incredibly much. In the last few days we have learned so much more than we would have been able without the launch in months! And it helps us to focus on where to put our limited resources, so that we can make the overall project better quicker than would have been possible otherwise. From that perspective, this has been quite a success. :I am trying to understand your suggestion: what do you think would need to be in place before a possible relaunch? Which requirements would need to be met? --[[User:DVrandecic (WMF)|DVrandecic (WMF)]] ([[User talk:DVrandecic (WMF)|talk]]) 13:53, 29 March 2026 (UTC) ::Thank you, I wasn't aware of that. Some uninformed thoughts below. ::Re communication: ideally people would communicate using functions, and there'd be some kind of visual editor where people type in their native language and it gets translated into functions, but I realise that's a pipe dream. Something that allows people who don't have a mutual language to communicate is imo necessary, maybe there could be a tool that machine translates comments. Machine translation ''sucks'', but so long as people get the gist of what is being said, that'd be better than nothing. I dread to think what disputes would be like though. ::Re invitations, idk what has already been done, but I would've thought now would the time to get some people from smaller wikis editing and experimenting, just an invitation on a wiki's main noticeboard would probably do the trick (is there a [[meta:MassMessage]] service for updates re Abstract wiki that could be recommended?). Then a central or watchlist notice for the actual launch, hopefully by which time there'd already be a small group of editors able to assist the influx of newbies. An intuitive tutorial is also necessary, as well as an intuitive version of [[f:Wikifunctions:Catalogue]]. [[User:Kowal2701|Kowal2701]] ([[User talk:Kowal2701|talk]]) 18:14, 29 March 2026 (UTC) :::What do you think about boilerplate templates. So writing a sentence and then marking the parts of the sentence what can be derived from Wikidataitems or the lexeme linked to it. This seems to me like an realistic approach for making it easier to contribute. I am happy you wrote about the predominantly English-speaking/European community involved in this project. It seems like it is different to contribute so far and I had the expectation people from small language versions come on their own and contribute also if they dont speak English. So far it seems to be not the case and I hope it will be easier to contribute. I think for the beginning the goal of Abstract Wikipedia should be generating sentences based on data. So supporting small language versions should be not the goal of the first phase as it seems to take some time and improvements of the structures to make it easier to contribute. Sharing the work and offering people help with creating an function for an specific sentence can be a important way of getting more content in Abstract Wikipedia. Maybe it is unrealistic to find a huge number of people who are interested in writing functions who generate text. [[User:Hogü-456|Hogü-456]] ([[User talk:Hogü-456|talk]]) 20:58, 29 March 2026 (UTC) :::[[Abstract Wikipedia:Useful functions for article composition]] is already available, as is [[Help:How to create an article]], but they are not perfect. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 22:05, 29 March 2026 (UTC) :Wikidata has a project chat in many languages. We can do that in the future. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 14:28, 16 April 2026 (UTC) ::Anyone can write on this page in any language. Personally, I’d prefer to see the original and get it translated into English rather than trying to make sense of a poor machine translation without even knowing which language the original was in. For the same reason, I would generally reply in English. [[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 23:18, 16 April 2026 (UTC) == Gendered languages == I've created [[Q79097672]], an article for a woman singer. In gendered languages however, it defaults to using masculine words. An example: in Portuguese, it reads "Arlo Parks é um cantor", when it should be "Arlo Parks é uma cantora". Is there any fix to this? [[User:Skyshifter|Skyshifter]] ([[User talk:Skyshifter|talk]]) 23:49, 28 March 2026 (UTC) :Yes. But each language is handled separately. I think Italian is doing it. German was started but got stuck… it should be working here soon. [[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 00:48, 29 March 2026 (UTC) ::Italian is not doing it. It is just a happy coincidence that for some reason "cantante" is always treated as feminine (I have to investigate why). [[User:Dv103|Dv103]] ([[User talk:Dv103|talk]]) 19:59, 7 April 2026 (UTC) == Why don't we just structure this with wikitemplates? == I feel like the project could be done a lot better by using templates kind of like how wikipedia does them. Just the entire thing is templates that can be rendered in many languages. So like [[Q106289265]] would have the content \{\{Z26039|Q7257\}\}\ and could even have some aliasing done across languages so it could be \{\{subject is|Q7257\}\}\. Code would be editable with a regular visual editor or code editor. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 04:34, 29 March 2026 (UTC) :This is available in pages when Parsoid rendering is enabled. We don't use this becuase it doesn't make sense for constructing and editing massive articles. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 21:37, 29 March 2026 (UTC) ::How do you do parsoid rendering? And why wouldn't it make sense? With aliases and everything could work great. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 23:12, 29 March 2026 (UTC) :::I believe it is enabled by default. If you do have it on: {{#function:Z10000|you'll s|ee this}} [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 14:54, 30 March 2026 (UTC) == Automatically querying wikidata == Is it possible in the future for this project to have things that automatically query wikidata? Like an infobox that gives people's spouses, or a function that queries a specific property on wikidata [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 20:10, 29 March 2026 (UTC) :Yes, that is the long term goal. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 21:37, 29 March 2026 (UTC) ::What’s “long term” about it? We already have functions that query specific properties on Wikidata, [[f:Z32431]] being a simple example. A list of spouses seems like a fairly simple function too, although there might be performance issues if there are a lot of spouses. [[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 22:01, 31 March 2026 (UTC) :I had exactly this question. One of the example here is [[Q1033]] where I read "Nigeria is the most populous country in Africa.". The problem is that this concept is hard-coded. What if its population will decrease and it will become the second-most populous country? [[User:Wiso|Wiso]] ([[User talk:Wiso|talk]]) 08:21, 20 April 2026 (UTC) == Searching for other namespaces in the search bar == Something that has always irked me with Wikidata, Wikifunctions, and now Abstract Wiki is that there are no search suggestions when you are searching in other namespaces in the search bar. For example, if I were to type "Abstract Wikipedia:", nothing shows up. Whereas on enwiki, you can do this just fine. Is this because these sites are using a more "modified" version of MediaWiki? [[User:EatingCarBatteries|EatingCarBatteries]] ([[User talk:EatingCarBatteries|talk]]) 04:38, 30 March 2026 (UTC) :I also find this very annoying. I'm not sure if there's anything that can be done about it or if it is a result of technical limitations ({{ping|Jdforrester (WMF)}}?). [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 04:41, 30 March 2026 (UTC) ::@[[User:EatingCarBatteries|EatingCarBatteries]], @[[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]]: The search interface indeed is designed to only search the Wikidata concepts that would take up the main namespace. This is conceptually the same as the search on Wikidata.org. We'd welcome Phabricator tasks for ideas on how to additionally provide wikitext community page search, though implementing that might not be a priority. [[User:Jdforrester (WMF)|Jdforrester (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Jdforrester (WMF)|talk]]) 12:11, 30 March 2026 (UTC) :::Hint: don’t use the Search bar… :::When it is empty, click the adjacent Search button. This takes you to the Search page. :::Type the namespace with final colon. You are prompted with available pages and the prompt is refined as you type. :::Click a page title in the suggestions or click Search for a full search in the entered namespace. :::A search with just a namespace will return no results. A search with a partial identifier will work only [[Special:Search/Talk:Q1*|with an appended asterisk]] (delete the asterisk to see page suggestions). [[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 13:11, 30 March 2026 (UTC) == List articles == I am interested in creating list articles ([[:de:Liste_der_Naturdenkmale_im_Bezirk_Mitte|like this one]]). But I have no idea what it needs and how to start. [[User:GPSLeo|GPSLeo]] ([[User talk:GPSLeo|talk]]) 19:58, 30 March 2026 (UTC) :An example I've created that you can copy and adapt is [[Q11750]]. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 01:27, 3 April 2026 (UTC) == Logo == In vector2009 and monobook, the logo shows as the standard enwiki logo. Which is confusing as this is technically a whole other sisterproject. I suggest [[:File:Wikipedia-logo-blank.svg|this]] be used as a temporary logo for these skins. [[User:Kinopiko|Kinopiko]] ([[User talk:Kinopiko|talk]]) 06:00, 31 March 2026 (UTC) :There's also the scalable favicon, [[commons:File:Abstract-Wikipedia-favicon.svg|Abstract-Wikipedia-favicon.svg]] [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 01:54, 3 April 2026 (UTC) :This still appears to be as of yet unfixed. I understand this wiki is still very early in its lifespan so I'm not particularly miffed about it, it looking identical due to the logo is rather confusing at first but with separation with tab groups in my browser it becomes manageable. I am personally excited to see what logo(s) will be devised for this project; seeing the same thing happen for the other sister projects has been very fun to watch in the past. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 21:49, 20 April 2026 (UTC) == Extra spaces between sentences == There should be no spaces between two sentences of Chinese and Japanese. —[[User:内存溢出的猫|内存溢出的猫]] ([[User talk:内存溢出的猫|talk]]) 12:38, 2 April 2026 (UTC) :I'm not sure how we plan to handle this. I'll bring it up on the Telegram/IRC. This applies to Korean too, yes? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 01:28, 3 April 2026 (UTC) {{tracked|T}} :Please link to the corresponding Phabricator ticket when it’s raised. (Or I will, when I raise it). I think the technical issue is that the space is inserted between function calls. There may be two, but HTML reduces their appearance to one, which is one too many for certain languages. [[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 08:58, 3 April 2026 (UTC) ::No, your sentences should not be individual fragments. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 02:40, 11 April 2026 (UTC) == community curation of abstract articles of the week/month/etc. == [[wikifunctions:wikifunctions talk:status updates/2026-03-26#Move Status Updates to Abstract Wikipedia?|this thread]] at WF mentions that WMF staff are refraining from content decisions at Abstract Wikipedia; so I thought that it might be a good idea to figure out if and how there will be editathons here focussed on a selection of articles. — [[user:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[user talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 20:38, 2 April 2026 (UTC) : I would support this. — [[user:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[user talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 01:29, 3 April 2026 (UTC) : now I notice [[abstract:featured article]] in the same category as the project chat, so there's a location for a related concept already! (coming at it the other direction: recognizing already good articles versus barnraising that quality) — [[user:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[user talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 01:48, 3 April 2026 (UTC) ::I think it will be quite a while before we can support a “good” article, let a “featured” one. At this stage, I’d settle for “technically interesting”, to include “of archaeological interest” (like the first use of a particular function or function-call pattern). [[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 08:51, 3 April 2026 (UTC) :::one goal could be to make stubs and grow them for the basic concepts underlying Abstract Wikipedia, in an attempt to self-document. [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 02:45, 7 April 2026 (UTC) == JSON format == The JSON format for Wikifunctions is described at [[:f:Wikifunctions:Function model]]. Is there such a documentation page for Abstract Wikipedia? [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 15:19, 2 April 2026 (UTC) :I imagine that it would be identical? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 02:39, 11 April 2026 (UTC) ::No, they aren't. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 02:50, 11 April 2026 (UTC) :::Oh, I see, you're talking about the underlying text format? That isn't and (from what I've gathered, though {{ping|Jdforrester (WMF)}} didn't respond last time I pinged him) will never be editable by users. The function model where the calls are actually made is identical to Wikifunctions. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 15:36, 11 April 2026 (UTC) ::::I'm not asking whether it's editable. I'm asking whether there is a page that documents what it is. ::::The JSON of the function calls is perhaps the same as Wikifunctions compositions, but there are also other things there, which are not the same as Wikifunctions. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 22:40, 11 April 2026 (UTC) :::::I'm saying that I'm not sure why you'd ''need'' or ''want'' to understand it if you can't edit it and it doesn't impact the user experience in any way. Is there a specific problem that you are running into? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 00:28, 12 April 2026 (UTC) ::::::I'm a very curious person. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 01:19, 12 April 2026 (UTC) :This is an example JSON of an Abstract Wikipedia article, with only the [[f:Z801|Echo function]], if you're curious: { "qid": "Q27318", "sections": { "Q8776414": { "index": 0, "fragments": [ "Z89", { "Z1K1": "Z7", "Z7K1": "Z801" } ] } } }. :The base has two key value pairs, "qid" and "sections". "sections" currently only contains one key-value pair as of now, [[d:Q8776414]], aka lead section. "fragments" is where the Wikifunctions compositions are stored. I have no idea what "index" is. [[User:ChaoticVermillion|<span style="color: orangered">Chaotic</span><span style="color: crimson">Vermillion</span>]] ([[User talk:ChaoticVermillion|converse]], [[Special:Contributions/ChaoticVermillion|contribs]]) 02:35, 12 April 2026 (UTC) ::Yes, that's what I see. I can make educated guesses about those things, but if possible, I'd prefer to read an official reference documentation page. The one about Wikifunctions is fairly good. The one about Abstracts Wikipedia doesn't seem to exist. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 03:25, 12 April 2026 (UTC) :::I think the reason there's no documentation is that it's merely a curiosity, whereas the mainspace of the wiki is barely functional right now. Perhaps we'll get one later, or whenever/if ever we get the ability to edit it? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 19:09, 12 April 2026 (UTC) ::Just to clarify (?), index is 0! I believe it can only be 0 at present, at least through the user interface, and I imagine [[:phab:T411699|this ticket]] is to allow a non-zero index to be set and modified (so long as it is positive and, in all likelihood, sequential). [[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 14:00, 12 April 2026 (UTC) :Not yet. I think such a page on Abstract Wikipedia would be for the community to create and maintain. I don’t know how [[:phab:maniphest/graph/411686|these things]] are decided upon, but I don’t see a task that would cover technical documentation of any kind. :The development team will no doubt respond with enthusiasm to any questions from the community on matters of technical detail, but I’d be inclined to let such interactions be led by the needs of on-wiki documentation, rather than a proliferation of Phabricator tasks and Project-chat topics. :Shall we ask once on [[Abstract Wikipedia talk:Frequently Asked Questions]] and see which questions should count among the frequently-asked? [[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 13:37, 12 April 2026 (UTC) ::@[[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]], this is quite definitely something that the extension developers are supposed to create and maintain. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 20:32, 12 April 2026 (UTC) :::Not as content on this wiki, was my point. Here, I suggest, we should reference any relevant technical documentation from whichever pages we, as a community, choose to create for such a purpose. [[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 23:06, 12 April 2026 (UTC) ::::I don't care very much where it is. I'd just like to read it. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 23:25, 12 April 2026 (UTC) :@[[User:Amire80|Amire80]]: The Wikifunctions function model is documented (alongside its two JSON forms) because we anticipate people would (and should) build tools using it directly. Conversely, the vague expectation ("plan" would be too strong at this point) for Abstract Wikipedia, on the other hand, is that we'll provide APIs to interact with the content, but its serialisation will change over time as features are added to better support the Abstract Wikipedia community's wishes. :For a concrete example (''not a commitment!'') of how the serialisation might change, whilst the system kept working as before, we might in the future add a top-level concept for an abstract article's infobox, which would be shown, edited, and stored apart from the rest of the article's sections, and used differently downstream. [[User:Jdforrester (WMF)|Jdforrester (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Jdforrester (WMF)|talk]]) 19:27, 12 April 2026 (UTC) == Bot request == {{Tracked|T421151}} Can someone smarter than me please create a bot that connects local items to Wikidata equivalents? Right now, we are growing and there are [[Special:UnconnectedPages|hundreds of unconnected pages]] here that are just 1:1 main namespace entries that have identical names at [[:d:]]. I have connected several of these, but this seems like a very inefficient and silly thing to do manually. Can someone help here by making a bot that checks [[Special:UnconnectedPages]] regularly or even [[Special:NewPages]] and connects pages? [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 06:17, 3 April 2026 (UTC) :This doesn't sound like something that should be a bot, but like something more automatic and built-in. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 11:27, 3 April 2026 (UTC) ::@[[User:Amire80|Amire80]] and [[User:Koavf|Koavf]]: Would a bot be a good idea in the interim period before that can be added to the software? [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 14:31, 3 April 2026 (UTC) :::Yes, please. Granted, Amir, doing it automatically would be nice, but that feature doesn't exist. Until then, a bot would be very helpful and seems like it would be very difficult to cause problems. [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 14:57, 3 April 2026 (UTC) ::::@[[User:Amire80|Amire80]] and [[User:Koavf|Koavf]]: I've written some code for this purpose [[gitlab:toolforge-repos/jjpmaster-bot-wd-t1|here]]. <code>Retrospective.py</code> is meant to be run once, and would connect all existing pages (once the trial run is over). <code>Prospective.py</code> would run once daily and connect any pages that have been created since the previous day. That is, until the Phabricator ticket is resolved, obviously. [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 21:42, 3 April 2026 (UTC) :::::Boss. I'm so glad that you're smarter than me. [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 03:25, 4 April 2026 (UTC) :::::{{ping|JJPMaster}} You might want to use <syntaxhighlight lang="python" inline>{ 'action': 'query', 'list': 'querypage', 'qppage': 'UnconnectedPages' }</syntaxhighlight> instead. That way, you won't have to maintain two scripts. [[User:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|<span class="skin-invert" style="color:black;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:110%;font-weight:normal;line-height:normal">NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh</span>]] 03:58, 4 April 2026 (UTC) ::::::@[[User:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh]]: This is [[gitlab:toolforge-repos/jjpmaster-bot-wd-t1/-/commit/415688aa6f9e1dcbafa21a8b3249899c07f298e9|done]]. [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 05:01, 4 April 2026 (UTC) :::::::{{ping|JJPMaster}} One more problem: You seem to be linking non-mainspace pages as well. Don't forget to check <syntaxhighlight lang="python" inline>page['ns']</syntaxhighlight>. Also, why <syntaxhighlight lang="python" inline>if(i > 2): break</syntaxhighlight>? [[User:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|<span class="skin-invert" style="color:black;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:110%;font-weight:normal;line-height:normal">NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh</span>]] 05:27, 4 April 2026 (UTC) ::::::::@[[User:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh]]: The <code>if not qid.startswith("Q")</code> bit was supposed to address the namespace problem. The break statement is for the trial of the bot. The integer in the if statement will change once the request is made. [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 17:04, 4 April 2026 (UTC) :::::::::{{ping|JJPMaster}} [[Special:UnconnectedPages]] results are ordered by namespace, so checking for <syntaxhighlight lang="python" inline>page['ns']</syntaxhighlight> will also help prevent unnecessary iterations. [[User:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|<span class="skin-invert" style="color:black;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:110%;font-weight:normal;line-height:normal">NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh</span>]] 19:54, 4 April 2026 (UTC) :::@[[User:Amire80|Amire80]], [[User:Koavf|Koavf]], and [[User:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh]]: Is a Wikidata BRFA in order at this time? [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 05:03, 4 April 2026 (UTC) ::::{{ping|JJPMaster}} Go ahead, please. [[User:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|<span class="skin-invert" style="color:black;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:110%;font-weight:normal;line-height:normal">NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh</span>]] 05:25, 4 April 2026 (UTC) :::::See [[d:Wikidata:Requests for permissions/Bot/JJPMaster (bot)]]. [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 18:00, 4 April 2026 (UTC) == Wikifunctions & Abstract Wikipedia Newsletter #242 is out: Request for Discussion: Syntactic tables == There is [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-04-02|a new update]] for Abstract Wikipedia and Wikifunctions. Please, come and read it! In this issue, we introduce a proposal for Natural Language Generation, we introduce a page for function suggestions from Abstract Wikipedia, we inform you that there will be a presentation about Abstract Wikipedia at WikiCon Australia, and we take a look at the latest software developments. Want to catch up with the previous updates? Check [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates|our archive]]! Also, we remind you that if you have questions or ideas to discuss, the next '''Volunteers' Corner''' will be held on '''[https://zonestamp.toolforge.org/1776101400 April 13, at 17:30 UTC]''' ([https://meet.google.com/xuy-njxh-rkw link to the meeting]). Enjoy the reading! -- [[User:Sannita (WMF)|User:Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 13:37, 3 April 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Sannita (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Wikifunctions_%26_Abstract_Wikipedia&oldid=30325620 --> == Way to specify population == Hi! I was wondering if there was a function to specify the population of a place, possibly resembling the following: :N X live in Y. N would be the population size, X would be what comprises the population (e.g., humans, frogs, etc.), and Y would be the location. [[User:Babelball|Babelball]] ([[User talk:Babelball|talk]]) 15:43, 3 April 2026 (UTC) :I don't believe we do. Thinking about it now, we should probably have a page where users can request linguistic functions in a more viable format than [[f:WF:Suggest a function]]. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 02:39, 11 April 2026 (UTC) == The problem of when "X is a Y" and Y is a phrase == Consider [[Q486972]], whose second sentence is supposed to be "A human settlement is a populated place," generated using the "Article-ful instantiating fragment" function. However, it fails, because the implementation [[f:Z23414|Z23414]] inherently checks for a lexeme linked to the superclass ("[[D:Q123964505|populated place]]"). However, since "populated place" is a phrase whose meaning is reducible to the sum of its parts, there is no lexeme for it. Therefore, it's virtually impossible to say "An X is a Y" where Y is a non-idiomatic phrase. Additionally, languages with grammatical gender are rendered particularly problematic. Consider [[Q6636]]. The first sentence of this article renders perfectly fine in English: "Homosexuality is a sexual orientation." However, it does not render at all in Spanish. That's because that language's NLG functions use lexicographic data to determine the gender of the phrase "sexual orientation." As there are no such data available for that phrase, it errors out. I did think about using [[f:Z29743|Z29743]] (description of class with adjective and superclass) instead, but that didn't work, since there's no item linked to the adjective "sexual"! Any ideas for how to avoid this? [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 00:21, 4 April 2026 (UTC) :We'd the co-operation of Wikidata contributors here, I think. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 02:37, 11 April 2026 (UTC) == I made a desktop app that helps with editing == [[file:Abstract Wikipedia Editor v4.1.0.png|thumb|alt=screenshot|now there's a screenshot available]] I made a desktop app that helps with creating and editing Abstract Wikipedia pages. It pulls data from wikidata to form templates that it makes into wikitext, and it can round-trip articles into and from the wikitext. Here it is [[User:Immanuelle/Abstract Wikipedia Editor]]. I hope that it helps with editing. — [[user:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[user talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 00:51, 6 April 2026 (UTC) : I've created [[Abstract Wikipedia:Tools]] for tracking these things. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 14:44, 7 April 2026 (UTC) : @[[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] But the main namespace is not for wikitext. Are you publishing this content there anyway? <span style="color:#EAA">♥</span>[[User:Ainali|Ainali]] <small>^{[[User talk:Ainali|discussion]]}_{[[Special:Contributions/Ainali|contributions]]}</small> 15:05, 7 April 2026 (UTC) :: It's not actual wikitext. It's a custom template syntax that's kind of like wikitext, which gets converted into abstract content when you press "Push to Abstract Wikipedia." [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 16:57, 7 April 2026 (UTC) ::: @[[User:Ainali|Ainali]]@[[User:JJPMaster|JJPMaster]] if you have syntax suggestions I am interested. I was in a rush with implementing this, and I want to in the future implement aliases for wikifunctions and possibly items, so that you can type things out yourself. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 19:53, 7 April 2026 (UTC) ::: Ah, I see. IT was just the announcement that was ambiguous then. <span style="color:#EAA">♥</span>[[User:Ainali|Ainali]] <small>^{[[User talk:Ainali|discussion]]}_{[[Special:Contributions/Ainali|contributions]]}</small> 20:03, 7 April 2026 (UTC) : FYI anything made by a clanker AI robot is not "made by you." Thank you for your attention to this matter. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 15:18, 7 April 2026 (UTC) :: Who, then? [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 20:16, 7 April 2026 (UTC) ::: The clanker AI robot. [[User:Babelball|Babelball]] ([[User talk:Babelball|talk]]) 16:42, 8 April 2026 (UTC) :::: I edited the Wikidata page for the tool to mention Claude. [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 21:35, 8 April 2026 (UTC) ::::: FYI that LLM-generated code is not eligible for copyright, and therefore the MIT license by extension. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 17:59, 9 April 2026 (UTC) :::::: I think the statements that Wikidata could make are limited by what references can be found. [https://docs.github.com/en/repositories/managing-your-repositorys-settings-and-features/customizing-your-repository/licensing-a-repository This help page] makes it sound as if there are limited options for expressing a repo's licensing situation, so I am not surprised that MIT should be the blanket release, even if strictly speaking some of the code contained within is ineligible for copyright, or infringes on an existing copyright (which would need to be demonstrated). But I suppose [https://cpomagazine.com/cyber-security/taking-stock-of-the-anthropic-source-code-leak-ai-agent-compromise-signals-security-issues-claude-copies-ahead-of-massive-ipo turnabout] is fair play? — [[user:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[user talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 19:53, 9 April 2026 (UTC) ::::::: @[[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] I like the idea of the wikidata content being restricted based on sources provided. I will try to implement something like this in the next release. Any ideas of which particular statements are useful and should be imported more readily? [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 20:28, 9 April 2026 (UTC) :::::::: I meant in [[d:Q138963952|the Wikidata item]] ''for'' AWE, but in general I think our articles should incorporate references early on, since even abstract content needs justification. [[d:help:sources#Language-independent general principles|This help page]] may be handy; '[[d:property:P3680|statement supported by]]' could be useful for linking to biographical articles in the manner "According to [source], [claim]" (obviously adjusted to the relevant language structures in each language for saying such things). — [[user:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[user talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 20:42, 9 April 2026 (UTC) :::::::::@[[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] oh that makes sense. But as for the wikidata sources, actually providing the sources is something that is trivially easy as far as accessing wikidata is concerned, but I am not sure how to give sources for claims in wikilambdas. Do you know how? [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 20:44, 9 April 2026 (UTC) ::::::::::I don't. Currently the distinction between content and format is unclear to me. [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 21:48, 9 April 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::@[[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] what do you mean by content vs format? [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 21:52, 9 April 2026 (UTC) ::::::::::::In the most 'abstract' sense, an article would have as irreducible parts semantic content only (from Wikidata), with syntax handled by the group of functions responsible for getting things looking right in a given target language. In practice, the overall structuring of the article largely defines or limits the syntactic structures of language produced. This is sensible for an encyclopedia which has a fairly conventional or constrained sort of prose. Of course, a web encyclopedia needs more than prose. Hence the functions for making links and formatting text (right now directly to HTML, bypassing wikitext). Although this is a MediaWiki installation, no article has had media content added to it yet, since the formatting functions that would enable that aren't in place. So I would say that content and formatting are entangled, currently. A reference could be considered either: the text that provides the sourcing of a statement, or the formatting that enables this semantic content to read as a reference, perhaps inline or as a footnote, end note, or marginal note. [[f:WF:type proposals#Representing abstract content]] has a couple RfCs about this. — [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 01:45, 10 April 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::Yeah I am very confused about what the intention of Abstract Wikipedia is and how much it lines up with the reality. I had thought that the articles would be mostly directly generated from wikidata. :::::::::::::Only particular direction I see clearly is that I think we need articles on all of these pages [[d:Wikidata:List of articles that Abstract Wikipedia should have]] since they will likely bring a lot of traffic to the site and since they have a lot of information, people will have a lot of reason to come to this site and come up with new ways of expressing things on the pages. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 04:06, 10 April 2026 (UTC) ::::::::::::::I am however really liking section headers like the one here [[Q12539]] and I am going to include them in the next release [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 04:13, 10 April 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::::Yes I think that adding sections to articles might be really the first part of the journey towards actually having somewhat readable articles. Although a lot of this is dependent on the article text actually rendering at all [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 04:21, 10 April 2026 (UTC) ::::::::::::::::Yeah I think I am getting the hang of things. Adding sections and paragraph breaks to the new versions. Denoted by ::::::::::::::::<nowiki>{{p}}</nowiki> ::::::::::::::::for a paragraph break ::::::::::::::::and ::::::::::::::::==QID== ::::::::::::::::for a subheading ::::::::::::::::All content is now generated within paragraphs, and the <nowiki>{{p}}</nowiki> splits the paragraphs up. Feeglgeef mentioned that the paragraphs are a significant accessibility feature, and the paragraphs are also easier to insert with the methods of the app. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 04:36, 10 April 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::::::I am also implementing "it" to avoid repeating the name of the article constantly, and I am implementing citation preservation on certain things.Meanwhile also trying to fix the accessibility issue that was criticized. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 05:25, 10 April 2026 (UTC) ::::::::::::::::::New release is out [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 07:42, 10 April 2026 (UTC) ::::::::::::::::::I would suggest not to use [[d:Q6091500]] at the moment. In some languages, there might be multiple words for different uses of "it". If you are editing with only the English logic, it won't help build a multilingual wiki. [[User:Sun8908|Sun8908]] ([[User talk:Sun8908|talk]]) 17:42, 11 April 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::::::::@[[User:Sun8908|Sun8908]] fair. I had thought it would be dropped in pro-drop languages but I do not think that was a reasonable assumption. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 19:47, 11 April 2026 (UTC) ::::::::::::::::::::I asked at the Monday meeting. Not sure if anything is being done about it though. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 20:15, 15 April 2026 (UTC) :Nice work. I for one don't care how you made the tool, the important part to me is how it works and if it helps me/us edit AW. [[User:So9q|So9q]] ([[User talk:So9q|talk]]) 20:23, 11 April 2026 (UTC) :[[File:AWE split paragraphs.png|thumb|Article on wheat]] {{ping|Immanuelle}} your tool is back at it again! I've asked you to test it before you use it to create a bunch of articles twice now. You, evidently, haven't listened! I understand you're probably acting in good faith, but you ''have'' to test your tool before you unleash it on the wiki. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 01:38, 18 April 2026 (UTC) ::No, I did listen. I am not sure what your objection is, but this looks like intended behaviour. I was asked to make every single sentence into its own paragraph to make it easier to debug maintaining accessibility. Previous the tool grouped many sentences into a single paragraph. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 02:49, 18 April 2026 (UTC) :::@[[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]]: You were asked to make each actual paragraph into a call of the "paragraph" function. You were not asked to make every individual sentence a paragraph. That is probably even less accessible than what we started with. [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 03:06, 18 April 2026 (UTC) ::::The content itself needs refining. As it is, most articles have no value-added over the Wikidata triples plus labels; basically just slight readability improvements. We require complex structures sooner rather than later. [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 03:08, 18 April 2026 (UTC) ::::I thought that the rule was that we put every single sentence into a paragraph of its own because text readers need a paragraph to read the text. We cannot debug things if there are multiple sentences within a paragraph, because these sentences go up to the top and make it so that the paragraph itself fails to render. ::::So this was specifically an accessibility concern for people who are visually impaired, with an accepted reduction in readability for people with regular vision so that it can also be debugged. ::::Like this: ::::"What we might try is wrapping each sentence as a paragraph, with occasional pairing of closely related sentences. That keeps failure isolated while preserving at least some natural flow. ::::We could consider also implementing a “sentence” or “content unit” function that simply calls “paragraph”, so we can later tell where the intended paragraphs are." [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 04:11, 18 April 2026 (UTC) :::::We need to import the quote template [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 04:12, 18 April 2026 (UTC) :Does anybody want any other changes to be made to this tool? Things are still relatively up in the air about what an optimum article even is, and as a result it kind of makes us limited in what we can do with it. I'm changing the way that the paragraphs work to fit what I now perceive as the consensus. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 18:11, 18 April 2026 (UTC) : I tried to run it on macOS 14.5, but it errored out when I clicked "Pull from Wikidata." It appears that this was because you hardcoded your Python path. <code>Error: Error invoking remote method 'generate-wikitext': Error: spawn C:/Users/Immanuelle/AppData/Local/Programs/Python/Python313/python.exe ENOENT</code> — [[user:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[user talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[special:contribs/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 11:56, 6 April 2026 (UTC) :: For the record, the solution is to go into <code>src/main.ts</code> and change the Python path to something other than <code>C:/Users/Immanuelle/...</code> — [[user:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[user talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[special:contribs/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 12:05, 6 April 2026 (UTC) : TYSM!! I did have to debug the code a little first to get it working, but this will be so helpful for me. — [[user:ChaoticVermillion|<span style="color: orangered">Chaotic</span><span style="color: crimson">Vermillion</span>]] ([[user talk:ChaoticVermillion|converse]], [[special:contribs/ChaoticVermillion|contribs]]) 11:59, 6 April 2026 (UTC) :: I am so sorry and I fixed it so the new release should avoid that problem in the future. — [[user:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[user talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 17:55, 6 April 2026 (UTC) ::: @[[User:ChaoticVermillion|ChaoticVermillion]] btw there is an update that has a lot more functions and I am not sure if you are using it. The new one allows you to undo edits or restore revisions. Something that I cannot figure out how to do in regular Abstract Wikipedia. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 17:55, 8 April 2026 (UTC) == Wikiprojects == Are there wiki projects here? Can I just make some in this namespace? [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 15:12, 10 April 2026 (UTC) :I don't see why not. It's a wiki, after all :). Please just don't flood the talkspace with templates that don't exist. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 16:51, 10 April 2026 (UTC) ::I've created a first Wikiproject ([[Abstract Wikipedia:WikiProject Core articles]]) and an explainer page ([[Abstract Wikipedia:WikiProject]]). [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 17:11, 10 April 2026 (UTC) :::I made this one too [[Abstract Wikipedia:WikiProject Quality Prose]] [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 18:39, 10 April 2026 (UTC) ::{{ping|Feeglgeef}} Are WikiProjects for specific languages OK? Responsibility seems to be stretched between maintaining Wikidata labels and lexemes alongside creating and maintaining functions on Wikifunctions, so I'm unsure if Abstract Wikipedia would be considered a good place to coordinate these things. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 21:56, 20 April 2026 (UTC) :::There's no community consensus for or against, so, since this is a wiki, I don't see any reason why anyone would stop you :). [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 23:46, 20 April 2026 (UTC) == Wikifunctions & Abstract Wikipedia Newsletter #243 is out: Community proposals for capturing meaning == There is [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-04-10|a new update]] for Abstract Wikipedia and Wikifunctions. Please, come and read it! In this issue, we report on three community proposals on syntactic approaches, we introduce a new Type (Complex numbers), we report on current hiccups on Abstract Wikipedia, we share more information about a presentation about Abstract Wikipedia at WikiCon Australia, and we take a look at the latest software developments. Want to catch up with the previous updates? Check [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates|our archive]]! Also, we remind you that if you have questions or ideas to discuss, the next '''Volunteers' Corner''' will be held on '''[https://zonestamp.toolforge.org/1776101400 April 13, at 17:30 UTC]''' ([https://meet.google.com/xuy-njxh-rkw link to the meeting]). Enjoy the reading! -- [[User:Sannita (WMF)|User:Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 15:35, 10 April 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Sannita (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Wikifunctions_%26_Abstract_Wikipedia&oldid=30325620 --> == Numerous errors have been introduced, possibly due to the "AWE" tool == As [[User:Fram|Fram]] has [[w:Wikipedia:Village_pump_(WMF)#c-Fram-20260410163000-Fram-20260408131600|pointed out]] over on the English Wikipedia in his usual style, [[User:Immanuelle]] has been breaking pages such as [[Q711]] with edits such as [[Special:Diff/4383]]. I was able to [[Special:Diff/4415|fix this]] by changing "it" to Wikidata item reference in "defining role sentence". @[[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]]: Judging by your edit history, you have introduced this error to a lot of pages. Before continuing with your work to make the rest of the articles from your list, [[d:Wikidata:List of articles that Abstract Wikipedia should have]], I kindly ask you to fix the pages you've already made. [[User:Warudo|Warudo]] ([[User talk:Warudo|talk]]) 17:16, 10 April 2026 (UTC) :This is, of course, what happens when you use a slop-machine to write code. See existing discussion on [[User talk:Immanuelle/Abstract Wikipedia Editor#Creates inaccessible content]]. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 17:19, 10 April 2026 (UTC) ::@[[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] I thought you wanted everything nested in the paragraph things. That's why I did that, following your request that you linked to. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 17:45, 10 April 2026 (UTC) :::I know. In the future, can you test whatever the slop-machine gives you ''on-wiki'' to ensure you don't mass-vandalize it again? Thank you! [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 17:52, 10 April 2026 (UTC) ::::@[[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] the problem I faced is that I do not know how to actually understand error messages on this wiki. When every page fails to render, it is very difficult to know if I introduced an error, or the program introduced an error. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 18:18, 10 April 2026 (UTC) :::::@[[User:Warudo|Warudo]] I guess my question for you would be how did you figure out that this was an error on the page? [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 18:19, 10 April 2026 (UTC) ::::::That's a fair question. The way things are now you can't be sure if the error is because of technical issues with the site or a bad page. In this case it was rather easy though. The "dependency" parameter of [[f:Z28016]] expects a reference to a Wikidata item but you passed the string "it" to it. That is an obvious mistake so it was easy to tell that it's not a random error. [[User:Warudo|Warudo]] ([[User talk:Warudo|talk]]) 19:23, 10 April 2026 (UTC) :::::::That makes sense. I will try to be a lot more careful with error detection in the future. Hopefully the technical issues with the site are fixed and I can see the content issues more soon [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 20:08, 10 April 2026 (UTC) ::::I suggest that “vandalize” is an inappropriate choice of word in this case. Whatever your feelings about the quality of the code or the care with which it is being deployed, I think you could manage to assume good faith on the part of a fellow contributor. Thank you. ::::At a technical level, there is an issue with simply bracketing multiple calls together to yield a paragraph, since a failure in any one call will lead to the loss of the whole paragraph. In [[:f:Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-03-26]], the advice given was: ::::::“By the way, here’s one tip: currently, caching for Abstract Wikipedia happens on the level of the “fragment”. This means that by putting several sentences into a single paragraph, the paragraph as a whole is being run, may cause time-outs, and will be cached. Instead, if, for now, you put one sentence into each fragment, caching and evaluation can be more spread out and should allow for more content.” ::::[[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 19:00, 10 April 2026 (UTC) :::::@[[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] would you suggest removing the paragraph by default behavior in the editor over this? [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 19:50, 10 April 2026 (UTC) ::::::What we might try is wrapping each sentence as a paragraph, with occasional pairing of closely related sentences. That keeps failure isolated while preserving at least some natural flow. ::::::We could consider also implementing a “sentence” or “content unit” function that simply calls “paragraph”, so we can later tell where the intended paragraphs are. [[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 21:23, 10 April 2026 (UTC) :::::::This is not accessible for users with screen-readers, and thus not a viable work-around. Each paragraph must be in a paragraph tag. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 22:31, 10 April 2026 (UTC) ::::::::It’s sub-optimal, I agree, but every unit of meaning would be wrapped in p tags, which is more accessible than a series of bare fragments or failed function calls. [[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 17:07, 11 April 2026 (UTC) :::::::::If you do need to make inaccessible articles, please at least give them a category on the talk page. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 21:21, 11 April 2026 (UTC) ::::::::::We’d need to agree an accessibility standard first, but I’m not planning on creating any articles until there are suitable functions available. [[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 22:36, 11 April 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::I agree. Accessibility standards need to be established and not just assumed. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 23:28, 11 April 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::I definitely do agree that we need accessibility standards, but this isn't really a nice-to-have that you debate about but rather the floor. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 00:27, 12 April 2026 (UTC) ::::::::::::I took this thread as consensus that we need to have every sentence as its own paragraph. Is that incorrect? Do people want me to change it back to one paragraph per paragraph break? I removed that one because it covered up errors. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 04:21, 18 April 2026 (UTC) :::::When someone "vandalizes" it is not necessarily intentional, see [[wikt:vandalise]]. I do understand that Immanuelle has good faith, but at the same time, the "deployment" caused tens of articles to be broken, and furthermore I don't suspect something this bad would have slipped through had a human carefully reviewed the code. When a contributor deploys a semi-automated tool and uses it to make edits at the rate {{ping|Immanuelle}} was at this rate, you are morally obligated to test it. This wasn't the first time the slop-machine that they used caused them to mess up tens of articles, and if Immanuelle doesn't exercise extreme care in the future, I don't suspect it will be the last. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 22:25, 10 April 2026 (UTC) ::::::It was a silent error that was only discovered by chance. What kind of testing would you have done to avoid this? [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 22:37, 10 April 2026 (UTC) ::::::@[[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]]": On Wikipedia, "[[:en:WP:VAND|Vandalism]]" is a technical term that means "editing (or other behavior) '''''deliberately''' intended to [[:en:Wikipedia:DE|obstruct or defeat]] the [[:en:Wikipedia:Five_pillars|project's purpose]]''". Accidental disruptive editing is not considered vandalism. [[User:Warudo|Warudo]] ([[User talk:Warudo|talk]]) 22:52, 10 April 2026 (UTC) :::::::@[[User:Warudo|Warudo]] on the topic of this glitch. I think I have removed it from all pages that had it. Please tell me if there are more that you see. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 23:29, 10 April 2026 (UTC) ::::::::Thanks for cleaning up :) [[User:So9q|So9q]] ([[User talk:So9q|talk]]) 20:29, 11 April 2026 (UTC) :::::::This isn't the English Wikipedia, or even a wikipedia at all, despite the domain. Unless a defined technical term related to Wikifunctions I'd consider words to have their natural language meaning. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 01:28, 11 April 2026 (UTC) ::::::::@[[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]]: Last time I checked, this was the Abstract ''Wikipedia''. But in any case, this is the definition provided in [[f:Wikifunctions:Vandalism|Wikifunctions]] as well as [[meta:meta:Vandalism|meta]]. Vandalism has to be deliberate. [[User:Warudo|Warudo]] ([[User talk:Warudo|talk]]) 08:50, 11 April 2026 (UTC) :::::::::It's not ''the'' Abstract Wikipedia like ''the'' English Wikipedia, but just Abstract Wikipedia. It isn't a Wikipedia in and of itself (as in, it's not supposed to be viewed by end readers), but rather a tool for Wikipedias. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 15:33, 11 April 2026 (UTC) ::::::::::It still has an independent editing community. Just because it draws from Wikidata and Wikifunctions doesn't mean content decisions aren't made here; it necessarily has to have some autonomy just like any language edition. [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 19:18, 11 April 2026 (UTC) :::::::::“Deliberately” is also the first word of section 3.3 of our Code of Conduct, linked at the foot of every page. [[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 17:11, 11 April 2026 (UTC) :::::+1 Please assume good faith and keep it civil. [[User:So9q|So9q]] ([[User talk:So9q|talk]]) 20:27, 11 April 2026 (UTC) :@[[User:Warudo|Warudo]] will hold off on page creation [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 17:43, 10 April 2026 (UTC) :Just a note @[[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]], the project is a Beta version, so, in my opinion, it's not a good idea to flood it with a large number of [{{fullurl:Special:Contributions|target=Immanuelle&namespace=0&newOnly=1&limit=250&end=2026-04-10}} article stubs]. Additionally, the natural language functions are still limited.--[[User:Mdktb|Mdktb]] ([[User talk:Mdktb|talk]]) 18:58, 10 April 2026 (UTC) ::@[[User:Mdktb|Mdktb]] okay that is a good point. I think I was confused since I thought that we were more on the trying to get new users stage. I will stick to fixing up my errors and only making pages on things that I have a lot of stuff to say on. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 19:20, 10 April 2026 (UTC) :::@[[User:Mdktb|Mdktb]] and here is a wikiproject I made and tagged some pages with that is specifically related to developing more natural language [[Abstract Wikipedia:WikiProject Quality Prose]] [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 19:27, 10 April 2026 (UTC) ::Would you be willing to raise this in the project chat? I'm thinking we are in an experimentation state that will keep improving incrementally just like the first edition of Wikipedia did since January 15, 2001. Just like back then I don't think it's a good idea to arbitrarily limit good faith editing. We probably will have to revisit these articles later as more and better functions become available but that in itself is not a valid argument for refraining from edits. [[User:So9q|So9q]] ([[User talk:So9q|talk]]) 20:36, 11 April 2026 (UTC) :::Already here ;) [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 21:05, 11 April 2026 (UTC) ::I agree with your stub-flooding comment, I don't think it's particularly useful to have a bunch of articles that say nothing. The concern right now should be testing. I expect that the way in which we write abstract articles will change drastically eventually, so writing hundreds of articles is not only a waste of time but a debt. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 21:07, 11 April 2026 (UTC) :::We can always use [[Special:AncientPages]] to find them later on. :::My expectation is that things will change, but we’ll be able to change the articles. They aren’t set in stone. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 03:21, 18 April 2026 (UTC) :The error in question was that "it" ended up getting into the jsons as a string instead of the id for "it". This occurred due to an error with the program with function aliasing, functions and items can have aliases that are used to be human readable, and replaced with their codes during insertion. But apparently when you try to insert a nonexistent alias then it just inserts the text and there is no server side validation at all of edits. :My guess is that basically they do not have an api since they have no server side validation and were relying on solely client side, and did not anticipate someone building such a tool that accidentally bypassed client side validation through a cache injection which was motivated by UX purposes :I plan on attending the Monday volunteer meeting and asking about this issue. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 22:45, 10 April 2026 (UTC) ::> But apparently when you try to insert a nonexistent alias then it just inserts the text and there is no server side validation at all of edits. ::This sounds like a bug. Would you be willing to create a ticket in phab with details? [[User:So9q|So9q]] ([[User talk:So9q|talk]]) 20:38, 11 April 2026 (UTC) :::The team has already declined (or indicated that they had no plans) to do validation in this form, so I don't think a new ticket would be ideal. Either way, this shouldn't affect anyone besides those using a headless browser (or anyone using good, human-reviewed code and a headless browser), so I don't think it would be a priority anyway. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 21:19, 11 April 2026 (UTC) ::::Not sure what you are talking about. At the meeting they did not seem to be opposed to doing server side validation. They just said that they had a bit of concerns about infrastructure that was stopping it as an immediate thing. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 20:14, 15 April 2026 (UTC) :::::The volunteer's corner? I unfortunately missed that, but it was more than a year ago that I believe they decided not to pursue it, so you're probably right. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 13:46, 16 April 2026 (UTC) :So I have resolved this issue, as I have resolved most of the issues that people brought up. The whole paragraph debate is something I am returning to the older version of. Does anybody want other changes to the way that it makes articles? [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 18:09, 18 April 2026 (UTC) == Sandbox page == The previous discussion about bot-created pages does raise a question: is it possible to have sandbox pages here? As far as I can tell, one can only create pages in the main namespace, and it has to be one page per Wikidata item. So there's no good place to experiment. Or am I missing something? The only other thing I can think of is to write the whole abstract article (or a part of it) as a function with a composition implementation on Wikifunctions and then to call it from a user-space sandbox page here. That, however, doesn't actually seem to work: [[User:Amire80/sandbox|I've just tried to call a function from my user space]], and I just see "⏳ Function is being called…". That is possibly a bug that can be fixed (maybe [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T422299 T422299]?), but even if it's fixed, it doesn't look like the best user experience. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 18:48, 10 April 2026 (UTC) :[[phab:T421417]] [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 18:52, 10 April 2026 (UTC) ::For now [[Q3938]] can be used for test edits . [[User:ChaoticVermillion|<span style="color: orangered">Chaotic</span><span style="color: crimson">Vermillion</span>]] ([[User talk:ChaoticVermillion|converse]], [[Special:Contributions/ChaoticVermillion|contribs]]) 02:06, 11 April 2026 (UTC) :We have [[Q138864867]]. [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 23:30, 11 April 2026 (UTC) == I propose Q10693 for featured article == I think [[Q10693]] is the best article here. Can I propose it for [[Abstract Wikipedia:Featured article]] [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 22:24, 10 April 2026 (UTC) :We'd to come to a consensus on criteria first before we nominate anything. Anyway, the talk page of [[Abstract Wikipedia:Featured article]] would be a better place to decide this, not ''everything'' belongs on the project chat. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 02:36, 11 April 2026 (UTC) == REST API for editing? == Hi, does anyone know if there is a ticket in phab for a public API endpoint that allows editing of AW content? It would be very useful to improve tooling and content. [[User:So9q|So9q]] ([[User talk:So9q|talk]]) 20:41, 11 April 2026 (UTC) :I don't believe so. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 21:03, 11 April 2026 (UTC) :I do not know why there isn't a REST API, but I had to [[Abstract Wikipedia:Project chat#I made a desktop app that helps with editing|specifically work around it with my editing tool]]. It will be very nice in the future to have a REST API. :I think that right now there isn't actually any server-side verification of whether an article is well-structured, and that might be the reason why there isn't a REST API yet. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 23:46, 11 April 2026 (UTC) ::What rest api are you talking about? Checkout [[Special:RestSandbox]]. [[User:Tanbiruzzaman|Tanbiruzzaman]] ([[User talk:Tanbiruzzaman|talk]]) 16:50, 12 April 2026 (UTC) :I would like to proudly announce that it can be done. See [[Special:Diff/6102]]. Here was my request: :<syntaxhighlight lang="json">{ "source": "{\"qid\":\"Q100000\",\"sections\":{\"Q8776414\":{\"index\":0,\"fragments\":[\"Z89\"]}}}", "title": "Q100000", "comment": "Hello from MediaWiki REST API", "content_model": "abstractwiki", "token": "[token]" } </syntaxhighlight> [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 04:43, 20 April 2026 (UTC) == Spaces between sentences == In abstract articles with two sentences or more, I usually see two spaces between the sentences. Why two? I usually write one space, and that's probably what most people do in English. I know that some people write two; I don't like it myself, but this practice does exist. But here, it raises a few more nuanced questions: # Where is it actually defined that there are supposed to be ''any'' spaces between the sentences? I might be wrong, but it probably comes from the extension code and not from the functions. # Can this be customized per language? I don't know all the rules for all the languages, but I strongly suspect that some languages use spaces between sentences differently, and no default is good for all the languages. I'd especially check if it's good for Thai, Burmese, Japanese, and Chinese. # When I examine the HTML code of the rendered sentences, each of them is a <code><nowiki><div></nowiki></code>. It's a bit odd—I'd expect <code><nowiki><span></nowiki></code> there. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 21:07, 14 April 2026 (UTC) :Can you give an example article, please? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 14:01, 15 April 2026 (UTC) ::[[Q833]], [[Q11361384]], and probably every other abstract article whose rendered English text has more than sentence. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 14:34, 15 April 2026 (UTC) :::No, not every single one (see [[Q333]]), but most of them. This has happened because Denny promoted separating sentences into individual fragments and Immanuel used an AI slop-machine to create an editing tool. Essentially, they're being treated as separate elements (like how one paragraph is different from a section heading), so the UI adds a space. This, of course, should not be done, because it breaks screen-readers and looks weird, but apparently everyone is just OK with it. Like a thousand articles have been created by the afforementioned slop-generated tool (because the person who oversaw the bot that created it seems to care more about quantity than quality), whereas I've only created three myself (because I care more about quality and shaping the direction of the wiki in preparation for when abstract content becomes actually viable). [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 15:02, 15 April 2026 (UTC) ::::If I understand correctly, [[Q333]] has one fragment, which is one function call, which in turn creates two sentences and joins them using a hardcoded space. If each sentence was created using a separate fragment, they would probably appear with two spaces in practice. Neither option is very good. ::::The mass creation of abstract articles using that tool is probably not really related to this. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 15:52, 15 April 2026 (UTC) :::::No, one of them is objectively wrong and one of them is correct. You're not ''supposed'' to split two sentences into two fragments. That's the point. The mass creation of articles using that tool ''is'' related, because it's responsible for the proliferation of articles that follow the wrong one. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 17:36, 15 April 2026 (UTC) ::::::Why not split sentences into fragments? I can easily imagine some functions that produce several sentences, but it's not universal. ::::::And why is it ''correct'' to join sentences using a hardcoded space? Joining sentences shouldn't be done using a hardcoded space, but with a generic "join sentences" function, which will be one space for many languages, but probably not for all of them. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 17:55, 15 April 2026 (UTC) :::::::Yes, not having to hardcode is the eventual goal. Splitting sentences into fragments is bad because it adds extra spacing (this is a feature, and a good one!), because it's bad for screen-readers, and because it would be impossible to distinguish between paragraphs, the article would just be a collection of sentences. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 18:03, 15 April 2026 (UTC) ::::::::I still don't understand why splitting into fragments is bad. What is good about extra spacing? It looks like a bad feature, not a good one. It sounds like a rendering and presentation issue, not a logical issue. Fragments can be inline, and the inline ones should be <code><nowiki><span></nowiki></code>s, not <code><nowiki><div></nowiki></code>s. And there should also be an option for <code><nowiki><div></nowiki></code> fragments. And maybe some others. Forcing every fragment to be a <code><nowiki><div></nowiki></code> sounds like a bad feature. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 18:46, 15 April 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Again, the spacing is good because the correct reason to split is to create two separate paragraphs. Even if the spacing ''was'' removed, it would still not work for screen-readers, and blocking out blind people when the mission is to spread knowledge to neglected languages is incredibly ironic. I'm not sure how else I'm supposed to communicate this to you. It's like asking "why is magma so hot! I want to drink magma instead of water, but it's too hot and not refreshing!" [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 19:07, 15 April 2026 (UTC) ::::::::::Maybe I understand what a "fragment" is supposed to be differently. Where is defined what is it supposed to be? [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 20:22, 15 April 2026 (UTC) == Archiving discussions on this page? == We're soon coming up to having a month old messages here, and considering the current length of it and size of the community, perhaps 30 days is a good limit for archiving them. Does anyone know how to get an archive bot running here? <span style="color:#EAA">♥</span>[[User:Ainali|Ainali]] <small>^{[[User talk:Ainali|discussion]]}_{[[Special:Contributions/Ainali|contributions]]}</small> 06:44, 16 April 2026 (UTC) :+1 [[User:So9q|So9q]] ([[User talk:So9q|talk]]) 09:55, 16 April 2026 (UTC) :+1 [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 13:41, 16 April 2026 (UTC) :+1. I think SpBot does archiving on Wikifunctions. Maybe it could be brought here as well? [[User:ChaoticVermillion|<span style="color: orangered">Chaotic</span><span style="color: crimson">Vermillion</span>]] ([[User talk:ChaoticVermillion|converse]], [[Special:Contributions/ChaoticVermillion|contribs]]) 14:18, 16 April 2026 (UTC) :+1 [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 14:24, 16 April 2026 (UTC) == Importing the q template == I really want the <nowiki>{{q}}</nowiki> template here imported from wikidata. It is very helpful with qids. Linking to here instead of wikidata. Might be able to be expanded for lexemes and wikifunctions too. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 14:26, 16 April 2026 (UTC) :I've copied it and its dependencies from Wikifunctions: see {{Q|1}} It may need some tweaking to work well here, because we also use QIDs. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 04:51, 17 April 2026 (UTC) ::Great! I think we need [[Template:Quote]] too [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 04:13, 18 April 2026 (UTC) == Caching issues (hopefully) fixed == Hey all, I know the caching issues have been a real pain for you. I've just now deployed what (I hope) is a fix that works for calls on Wikifunctions.org, fragments here, and embedded Wikifunctions calls. See for example [https://abstract.wikipedia.org/view/en/Q1344227 view/en/Q1344227] which should load fragments near-immediately for you (not need a retry or time out). You'll also see e.g. that https://test.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikifunctions now has "stable" results, not just endless "please wait" comments. That said, please tell me where I'm wrong and you're having issues! Much better to hear now than assume it's fixed and start all over again tomorrow. I appreciate your feedback and patience over this; it has been very generous of you all. Our next work in this area is to make the cache much more scalable and resilient over time, so it's faster and more reliable for you, and cheaper for us to support. Thank you again. [[User:Jdforrester (WMF)|Jdforrester (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Jdforrester (WMF)|talk]]) 14:47, 16 April 2026 (UTC) :Thank you (and the rest of the team) for your efforts for this new wiki! We really appreciate it. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 14:58, 16 April 2026 (UTC) :Wow this is great! Now we can do a lot more verification on whether created pages are working well! Gotta look over a bunch of pages. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 15:20, 16 April 2026 (UTC) ::Yes I tried to fix up a bunch of pages. Many of them actually render properly now. But I did need to change quite a few [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 17:36, 16 April 2026 (UTC) :::Yes, please give your attention to the quality of pages you've already created rather than expanding the quantity. For example, on [[Q153]] I notice that you used Z28016 a lot, but that "defining" should only be used when it is the only instance of that class in that location (which works fine for a capital city), but not e.g. for hydrogen being "the" part of ethanol. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 04:43, 17 April 2026 (UTC) == Importing templates from wikipedias == I think it would be a good idea to set something up so that templates from wikipedia can be represented as wikifunctions. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 14:59, 16 April 2026 (UTC) :Already {{done}} on WF, see [[f:WF:MediaWiki parser functions]]. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 15:08, 16 April 2026 (UTC) == Idea for the project chat == I've been thinking of some ideas that we could implement related to the project chat. I'm not saying I endorse anything, just throwing out an idea. There's been a ''lot'' of activity on here, I'm not sure if this is going to be a permanent thing or if it's just because the wiki just started. If it maintains its activity, we might want to divide it up like the English Wikipedia does, perhaps into "Proposals", "Technical and Wikifunctions", and "Miscellaneous." [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 15:19, 16 April 2026 (UTC) :Simple english wikipedia has almost all discussion happen on its Project chat. I think we should only add nerw things once we really need more chats. Having everything here makes it easier for people to keep up with the news of abstract wikipedia. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 16:31, 16 April 2026 (UTC) ::The place to keep up with news for "abstract [sic] wikipedia [sic]" is the newsletter. I think that separating might actually make it easier to follow the specific discussion that you want, as you can choose which of the three to subscribe to. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 17:58, 16 April 2026 (UTC) ::We should at least have a talk page archiving bot, like [[:en:User:lowercase sigmabot III]]. [[User:EatingCarBatteries|EatingCarBatteries]] ([[User talk:EatingCarBatteries|talk]]) 20:18, 16 April 2026 (UTC) == What to do with Z26955 == There are a lot of articles with [[:f:Z26955|Z26955]] in them, since it has this obvious warning on it, what should we do with existing articles that have it? Just remove it on sight? [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 15:33, 16 April 2026 (UTC) :We should only improve articles by fixing the problems, not by removing them. If you can replace a function by a better one, that’s great. Otherwise, please leave it for now so that we can see what needs fixing. [[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 23:04, 16 April 2026 (UTC) == Representing "part of" == How do I represent that something is part of another thing? I used to use the spo sentence without understanding that it did not work. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 16:30, 16 April 2026 (UTC) :I think [[f:Z32982]] can be used, with the role as [[d:Q1310239]]. [[User:ChaoticVermillion|<span style="color: orangered">Chaotic</span><span style="color: crimson">Vermillion</span>]] ([[User talk:ChaoticVermillion|converse]], [[Special:Contributions/ChaoticVermillion|contribs]]) 18:55, 16 April 2026 (UTC) == Wikifunctions & Abstract Wikipedia Newsletter #244 is out: Milestones; Some major issues hopefully resolved == There is [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-04-16|a new update]] for Abstract Wikipedia and Wikifunctions. Please, come and read it! In this issue, we celebrate 4000 functions on Wikifunctions and 1000 abstract articles on Abstract Wikipedia, we announce that we should have fixed some major issues with the websites, we inform you on our latest outreach activities, and we take a look at the latest software developments. Want to catch up with the previous updates? Check [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates|our archive]]! Enjoy the reading! -- [[User:Sannita (WMF)|User:Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 10:22, 17 April 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Sannita (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Wikifunctions_%26_Abstract_Wikipedia&oldid=30325620 --> == AceWiki: Abstract Wikipedia before Abstract Wikipedia? == For those of you not in the know, ACE is [[w:Attempto Controlled English|Attempto Controlled English]]. This is a special subset of English that, unlike regular English, is entirely grammatically unambiguous and is machine-readable. For example, the sentence "Every person has a cat" is ACE, as a computer could easily parse that into a logical structure of the form "for any person P, P has a cat." Well, I found a semantic wiki software called AceWiki, whose articles are written entirely in Attempto Controlled English (see [https://acewiki.petapico.org/acewikigeo/ AceWikiGEO]). The sentence structures seen in AceWiki articles (while I can't link directly to any article, the article on the United States of America, which can be found in the Index in the sidebar, is a good example) are quite similar to those in our existing abstract articles. Using a tool called [https://github.com/Attempto/ACE-in-GF ACE-in-GF], ACE text could be translated into any language. I've been thinking about the idea of a tool that allows an editor to write Attempto Controlled English text, and have that text turned into an abstract article. As an example: '''ACE''' -- "Every antelope is a mammal." &rarr; '''Abstract content''' -- [[f:Z26627|Classifying a class of nouns (Z26627)]]: [[d:Q25894|antelope (Q25894)]], [[d:Q7377|mammal (Q7377)]] This tool would not be optimized for mass article creation, since it would not include an option to generate articles directly from Wikidata, but I think it could be interesting to see how being able to write abstract articles in natural language might lower the barrier to contributing to this project. Thoughts? [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 01:59, 20 April 2026 (UTC) :I'm not sure how we'd actually do the conversion step. If you'd be willing to attempt to make a prototype I'd love to look at it, but I'm skeptical. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 18:12, 21 April 2026 (UTC) == Help with the news section on main page == Hi all, I would like to have some help in importing [[:f:Template:Main page/News]] here and inserting it in the main page's module. Can someone help me to do it? [[User:Sannita (WMF)|Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 10:26, 20 April 2026 (UTC) :I believe [[Template:Main page/News]] is already set up and visible on the main page, unless you mean importing the history of the WF template over. [[User: Tenshi Hinanawi|Tenshi!]] ([[User talk: Tenshi Hinanawi|Talk page]]) 11:12, 20 April 2026 (UTC) ::Ah, that's great, thanks! [[User:Sannita (WMF)|Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 14:53, 20 April 2026 (UTC) == Layout guidelines? == One thing I'm noticing is that there are a ''lot'' of ways to do the same thing. I'd like to know which is preferred in the simple case of making single-sentence articles that just say what they are. Take [[Q503]] for example. If you look at the edit history of the article, you'll see it went through a few changes: * Initially, it was a [[f:Z14396|''string of monolingual text'']] call wrapped inside of a [[f:Z27868|''string to HTML fragment'']] call. The innermost function got the monolingual text returned from [[f:Z26095|''subject is kind of'']], converted it to a string, and then to a HTML fragment. * Afterwards the two topmost functions were removed until only the ''subject is kind of'' function call remained, and this was wrapped in a call to [[f:Z29749|''monolingual text as HTML with visible language tag'']]. * Finally the ''subject is kind of'' call was placed into a typed list provided as an argument to the [[f:Z32234|''join text-like objects into HTML fragment'']] call, which in turn was made into a proper paragraph rather than a standalone <code>&lt;div&gt;</code> as it was previously. None of these seem like a particularly bad way to approach things, and I have seem all of them in the wild; the first thing I tried I did so as it was the way the first article I stumbled upon chose to render its text. Since [[Abstract Wikipedia:Useful functions for article composition]] only goes over linguistic functions, and doesn't seem to provide any guidance on ''composition'' functions (i.e. building the HTML contents itself, as you have to do in the plain visual editor online), I thought I'd ask here if there is a preferred way to do things, and if it could perhaps be made clearer on the website if so. It is rather bothersome wanting to build e.g. a wikitable, and needing to peruse the available functions on Wikifunctions instead of having an easily-accessible way to see what is generally recommended for the particular circumstance. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 21:36, 20 April 2026 (UTC) :I'm partial to paragraph(join text-like objects into HTML fragment(your sentences)), as not using a paragraph tag is bad for those who use screen readers, and I designed join text-like objects to reduce function calls and therefore speed up the article processing step. The long-term problem with this method is that Japanese and Chinese both do not have spaces between sentences, so I plan to soon create a function that takes a list of text-like objects and then converts it into a paragraph under the correct style of each language. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 23:51, 20 April 2026 (UTC) ::That sounds good, I have grown more fond of that method as well. What you described would be great to have, I have been adding [[f:Z13128]] references inbetween each sentence to counteract the lack of spacing but something that would do this automatically for English while also obeying the sentence rules of other languages it renders in would be very ideal. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 16:33, 21 April 2026 (UTC) ::{{ping|Feeglgeef}} I noticed [[f:Z33068]]. I decided to hack up an implementation of it that aligns with what you said, I don't know if this is what your original intention for the function was and I apologize if I misconstrued it. At the moment, it just runs the ''join text-like objects'' function I mentioned earlier wrapped in a call to ''paragraph'', but adds spaces if the language is not Japanese or Chinese. I'm not sure if, in this scope, a lack of spaces is the only difference between how certain languages arrange their sentences. This also only accounts for the ZObjects for Chinese and Japanese specifically, I think some sort of switch statement or separate configuration object would be better suited for this—not to mention that there are separate natural language objects for the different scripts of Japanese, so those would have to be blanketed under Japanese when considering the language passed in (which I don't want to chain a bunch of ORs to do at the moment). For now, though, it seems to work fine. I added two different test cases and they both pass, and I have also utilized the function on [[Q241691]]. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 03:31, 23 April 2026 (UTC) :::Ah, thank you for implementing that, it looks good to me. I've created a persistent object for storing the languages that don't use spaces, [[f:Z33984]]. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 13:47, 23 April 2026 (UTC) == Wikidata problems == Sorry for posting two questions here in a row. I'll try to make this brief. On the bottom of [[Q247237]] is what ''should'' be a list of albums, but on my end it appears as just "''PLUS''" repeated fourteen times. This seems to occur any time I use [[f:Z13464]] on a list of Wikidata item references... is anyone else seeing this? I'm not sure what I could be doing wrong. Related to this, I wonder if I can avoid needing to explicitly state each of these items? I moved the list to a separately-defined object on Wikifunctions to avoid having to constantly transfer it between websites since I don't think the clipboard works cross-site. Ordinarily, if I were trying to get all Autechre studio albums, I would use Wikidata's SPARQL query feature to do this, by finding every entity whose [[wikidata:P31|P31]] is [[wikidata:Q482994|Q482994]] and whose [[wikidata:P50|P50]] is [[wikidata:Q247237|Q247237]]. This doesn't seem to be doable with Wikifunctions, though, or at least I'm not seeing it... so I don't know how I would do this automatically. We are making articles out of functions here, so I think it would be worthwhile if I tried to future-proof the list using this paradigm. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 16:30, 21 April 2026 (UTC) :On your first question, I've [[f:Z33903|tried to replicate this on WF]] and I cannot, which makes it difficult to solve. :We cannot currently reverse most WD statements, so your use case is not ''currently'' possible, but we are able to access the statements that are ''on'' an item. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 18:10, 21 April 2026 (UTC) ::I'm experiencing the issue again on [[f:Z33997]], it seems. Check the test results of the three-item test, "''programmer''" should not appear twice. I ran into a similar problem earlier in working on the implementation. For the two-item case, using a call to ''[[f:Z13397|get the nth element of a list]]'' on both items (index 1 and 2 respectively) returned the first item twice. I had to use a call to ''[[f:Z811|first element]]'' to fix it. ::Could this be a caching issue, perhaps? That seems likely, because I don't know why else this would be happening. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 16:16, 23 April 2026 (UTC) m736v78zofdmy2eufcbyhc34p3h0l1j 6703 6694 2026-04-24T03:49:04Z Koavf 723 6703 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Shortcut|[[Project:PC]]|[[Project:VP]]}} __NEWSECTIONLINK__ [[Category:Abstract Wikipedia administration|Project Chat]] This is the Abstract Wikipedia Project chat. This is where discussions on the project happen. Add your discussion below this line. More technical issues should go to [[Abstract Wikipedia:Report a technical problem]]. == Put this on ice == How are non-English speakers (who this project is specifically for) meant to develop this wiki's practices and policies if a) all project pages are only available in English, and discussion is largely done in English, and b) there's no attempt to get non-en.wiki communities onboard. At present this looks like it's just going to produce Anglocentric/Eurocentric content, which belies the whole point of having a wiki in one's native language. Yes it's early days and everyone is experimenting and bug-fixing, but the project has already been released to community control, with a predominantly English-speaking/European community. This needs to be put on ice until it can be launched properly with multilingual support and invitations to all wikis, particularly smaller ones. [[User:Kowal2701|Kowal2701]] ([[User talk:Kowal2701|talk]]) 11:44, 28 March 2026 (UTC) :Just because it's not perfect doesn't mean it needs to be shut down. These are all gradual processes. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 15:58, 28 March 2026 (UTC) ::There’s being "not perfect" where things can be improved at a later date, and then there's having antithetical foundations. Also see [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(WMF)#c-Warudo-20260327114000-Warudo-20260327113600] re functions. [[User:Kowal2701|Kowal2701]] ([[User talk:Kowal2701|talk]]) 16:15, 28 March 2026 (UTC) :::You haven't named a single thing that can't be improved at a later date. We're hoping to be able to translate project pages. Non-enwiki communities can be gotten on board later. Function generation already works multilingually in many cases, and those where it does not can be improved. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 16:57, 28 March 2026 (UTC) ::::When the practices and policies will have already been developed, and informal positions of authority already filled. [[User:Kowal2701|Kowal2701]] ([[User talk:Kowal2701|talk]]) 17:04, 28 March 2026 (UTC) :::::@[[User:Kowal2701|Kowal2701]] Thank you for your concerns. We are already aiming at less-served communities through specific calls to action to create more language functions and abstract content in their language. Just give the time to actually see these changes happen. Cheers, [[User:Sannita (WMF)|Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 18:55, 28 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::Hi Sannita, I'm just wondering how are AW project pages planned to be translated in the future? Is there going to be use of some kind of automated tool such as DeepL or Google Translate, or will it be a custom-designed system? [[User:EatingCarBatteries|EatingCarBatteries]] ([[User talk:EatingCarBatteries|talk]]) 20:39, 28 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::@[[User:EatingCarBatteries|EatingCarBatteries]] We will enable the Translate extension soon, so everyone will be able to translate project pages into their own languages. Sorry for keeping you waiting on this. [[User:Sannita (WMF)|Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 10:41, 29 March 2026 (UTC) :@[[User:Kowal2701|Kowal2701]]: thank you for your concern and suggestion. When this Beta started, we have immediately [[:f:Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-03-19|mentioned that there might be the possibility of restarting the project]]. So that might indeed happen. :But so far, this early start of the not fully polished project allows us to learn so incredibly much. In the last few days we have learned so much more than we would have been able without the launch in months! And it helps us to focus on where to put our limited resources, so that we can make the overall project better quicker than would have been possible otherwise. From that perspective, this has been quite a success. :I am trying to understand your suggestion: what do you think would need to be in place before a possible relaunch? Which requirements would need to be met? --[[User:DVrandecic (WMF)|DVrandecic (WMF)]] ([[User talk:DVrandecic (WMF)|talk]]) 13:53, 29 March 2026 (UTC) ::Thank you, I wasn't aware of that. Some uninformed thoughts below. ::Re communication: ideally people would communicate using functions, and there'd be some kind of visual editor where people type in their native language and it gets translated into functions, but I realise that's a pipe dream. Something that allows people who don't have a mutual language to communicate is imo necessary, maybe there could be a tool that machine translates comments. Machine translation ''sucks'', but so long as people get the gist of what is being said, that'd be better than nothing. I dread to think what disputes would be like though. ::Re invitations, idk what has already been done, but I would've thought now would the time to get some people from smaller wikis editing and experimenting, just an invitation on a wiki's main noticeboard would probably do the trick (is there a [[meta:MassMessage]] service for updates re Abstract wiki that could be recommended?). Then a central or watchlist notice for the actual launch, hopefully by which time there'd already be a small group of editors able to assist the influx of newbies. An intuitive tutorial is also necessary, as well as an intuitive version of [[f:Wikifunctions:Catalogue]]. [[User:Kowal2701|Kowal2701]] ([[User talk:Kowal2701|talk]]) 18:14, 29 March 2026 (UTC) :::What do you think about boilerplate templates. So writing a sentence and then marking the parts of the sentence what can be derived from Wikidataitems or the lexeme linked to it. This seems to me like an realistic approach for making it easier to contribute. I am happy you wrote about the predominantly English-speaking/European community involved in this project. It seems like it is different to contribute so far and I had the expectation people from small language versions come on their own and contribute also if they dont speak English. So far it seems to be not the case and I hope it will be easier to contribute. I think for the beginning the goal of Abstract Wikipedia should be generating sentences based on data. So supporting small language versions should be not the goal of the first phase as it seems to take some time and improvements of the structures to make it easier to contribute. Sharing the work and offering people help with creating an function for an specific sentence can be a important way of getting more content in Abstract Wikipedia. Maybe it is unrealistic to find a huge number of people who are interested in writing functions who generate text. [[User:Hogü-456|Hogü-456]] ([[User talk:Hogü-456|talk]]) 20:58, 29 March 2026 (UTC) :::[[Abstract Wikipedia:Useful functions for article composition]] is already available, as is [[Help:How to create an article]], but they are not perfect. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 22:05, 29 March 2026 (UTC) :Wikidata has a project chat in many languages. We can do that in the future. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 14:28, 16 April 2026 (UTC) ::Anyone can write on this page in any language. Personally, I’d prefer to see the original and get it translated into English rather than trying to make sense of a poor machine translation without even knowing which language the original was in. For the same reason, I would generally reply in English. [[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 23:18, 16 April 2026 (UTC) == Gendered languages == I've created [[Q79097672]], an article for a woman singer. In gendered languages however, it defaults to using masculine words. An example: in Portuguese, it reads "Arlo Parks é um cantor", when it should be "Arlo Parks é uma cantora". Is there any fix to this? [[User:Skyshifter|Skyshifter]] ([[User talk:Skyshifter|talk]]) 23:49, 28 March 2026 (UTC) :Yes. But each language is handled separately. I think Italian is doing it. German was started but got stuck… it should be working here soon. [[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 00:48, 29 March 2026 (UTC) ::Italian is not doing it. It is just a happy coincidence that for some reason "cantante" is always treated as feminine (I have to investigate why). [[User:Dv103|Dv103]] ([[User talk:Dv103|talk]]) 19:59, 7 April 2026 (UTC) == Why don't we just structure this with wikitemplates? == I feel like the project could be done a lot better by using templates kind of like how wikipedia does them. Just the entire thing is templates that can be rendered in many languages. So like [[Q106289265]] would have the content \{\{Z26039|Q7257\}\}\ and could even have some aliasing done across languages so it could be \{\{subject is|Q7257\}\}\. Code would be editable with a regular visual editor or code editor. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 04:34, 29 March 2026 (UTC) :This is available in pages when Parsoid rendering is enabled. We don't use this becuase it doesn't make sense for constructing and editing massive articles. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 21:37, 29 March 2026 (UTC) ::How do you do parsoid rendering? And why wouldn't it make sense? With aliases and everything could work great. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 23:12, 29 March 2026 (UTC) :::I believe it is enabled by default. If you do have it on: {{#function:Z10000|you'll s|ee this}} [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 14:54, 30 March 2026 (UTC) == Automatically querying wikidata == Is it possible in the future for this project to have things that automatically query wikidata? Like an infobox that gives people's spouses, or a function that queries a specific property on wikidata [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 20:10, 29 March 2026 (UTC) :Yes, that is the long term goal. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 21:37, 29 March 2026 (UTC) ::What’s “long term” about it? We already have functions that query specific properties on Wikidata, [[f:Z32431]] being a simple example. A list of spouses seems like a fairly simple function too, although there might be performance issues if there are a lot of spouses. [[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 22:01, 31 March 2026 (UTC) :I had exactly this question. One of the example here is [[Q1033]] where I read "Nigeria is the most populous country in Africa.". The problem is that this concept is hard-coded. What if its population will decrease and it will become the second-most populous country? [[User:Wiso|Wiso]] ([[User talk:Wiso|talk]]) 08:21, 20 April 2026 (UTC) == Searching for other namespaces in the search bar == Something that has always irked me with Wikidata, Wikifunctions, and now Abstract Wiki is that there are no search suggestions when you are searching in other namespaces in the search bar. For example, if I were to type "Abstract Wikipedia:", nothing shows up. Whereas on enwiki, you can do this just fine. Is this because these sites are using a more "modified" version of MediaWiki? [[User:EatingCarBatteries|EatingCarBatteries]] ([[User talk:EatingCarBatteries|talk]]) 04:38, 30 March 2026 (UTC) :I also find this very annoying. I'm not sure if there's anything that can be done about it or if it is a result of technical limitations ({{ping|Jdforrester (WMF)}}?). [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 04:41, 30 March 2026 (UTC) ::@[[User:EatingCarBatteries|EatingCarBatteries]], @[[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]]: The search interface indeed is designed to only search the Wikidata concepts that would take up the main namespace. This is conceptually the same as the search on Wikidata.org. We'd welcome Phabricator tasks for ideas on how to additionally provide wikitext community page search, though implementing that might not be a priority. [[User:Jdforrester (WMF)|Jdforrester (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Jdforrester (WMF)|talk]]) 12:11, 30 March 2026 (UTC) :::Hint: don’t use the Search bar… :::When it is empty, click the adjacent Search button. This takes you to the Search page. :::Type the namespace with final colon. You are prompted with available pages and the prompt is refined as you type. :::Click a page title in the suggestions or click Search for a full search in the entered namespace. :::A search with just a namespace will return no results. A search with a partial identifier will work only [[Special:Search/Talk:Q1*|with an appended asterisk]] (delete the asterisk to see page suggestions). [[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 13:11, 30 March 2026 (UTC) == List articles == I am interested in creating list articles ([[:de:Liste_der_Naturdenkmale_im_Bezirk_Mitte|like this one]]). But I have no idea what it needs and how to start. [[User:GPSLeo|GPSLeo]] ([[User talk:GPSLeo|talk]]) 19:58, 30 March 2026 (UTC) :An example I've created that you can copy and adapt is [[Q11750]]. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 01:27, 3 April 2026 (UTC) == Logo == In vector2009 and monobook, the logo shows as the standard enwiki logo. Which is confusing as this is technically a whole other sisterproject. I suggest [[:File:Wikipedia-logo-blank.svg|this]] be used as a temporary logo for these skins. [[User:Kinopiko|Kinopiko]] ([[User talk:Kinopiko|talk]]) 06:00, 31 March 2026 (UTC) :There's also the scalable favicon, [[commons:File:Abstract-Wikipedia-favicon.svg|Abstract-Wikipedia-favicon.svg]] [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 01:54, 3 April 2026 (UTC) :This still appears to be as of yet unfixed. I understand this wiki is still very early in its lifespan so I'm not particularly miffed about it, it looking identical due to the logo is rather confusing at first but with separation with tab groups in my browser it becomes manageable. I am personally excited to see what logo(s) will be devised for this project; seeing the same thing happen for the other sister projects has been very fun to watch in the past. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 21:49, 20 April 2026 (UTC) == Extra spaces between sentences == There should be no spaces between two sentences of Chinese and Japanese. —[[User:内存溢出的猫|内存溢出的猫]] ([[User talk:内存溢出的猫|talk]]) 12:38, 2 April 2026 (UTC) :I'm not sure how we plan to handle this. I'll bring it up on the Telegram/IRC. This applies to Korean too, yes? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 01:28, 3 April 2026 (UTC) {{tracked|T}} :Please link to the corresponding Phabricator ticket when it’s raised. (Or I will, when I raise it). I think the technical issue is that the space is inserted between function calls. There may be two, but HTML reduces their appearance to one, which is one too many for certain languages. [[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 08:58, 3 April 2026 (UTC) ::No, your sentences should not be individual fragments. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 02:40, 11 April 2026 (UTC) == community curation of abstract articles of the week/month/etc. == [[wikifunctions:wikifunctions talk:status updates/2026-03-26#Move Status Updates to Abstract Wikipedia?|this thread]] at WF mentions that WMF staff are refraining from content decisions at Abstract Wikipedia; so I thought that it might be a good idea to figure out if and how there will be editathons here focussed on a selection of articles. — [[user:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[user talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 20:38, 2 April 2026 (UTC) : I would support this. — [[user:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[user talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 01:29, 3 April 2026 (UTC) : now I notice [[abstract:featured article]] in the same category as the project chat, so there's a location for a related concept already! (coming at it the other direction: recognizing already good articles versus barnraising that quality) — [[user:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[user talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 01:48, 3 April 2026 (UTC) ::I think it will be quite a while before we can support a “good” article, let a “featured” one. At this stage, I’d settle for “technically interesting”, to include “of archaeological interest” (like the first use of a particular function or function-call pattern). [[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 08:51, 3 April 2026 (UTC) :::one goal could be to make stubs and grow them for the basic concepts underlying Abstract Wikipedia, in an attempt to self-document. [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 02:45, 7 April 2026 (UTC) == JSON format == The JSON format for Wikifunctions is described at [[:f:Wikifunctions:Function model]]. Is there such a documentation page for Abstract Wikipedia? [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 15:19, 2 April 2026 (UTC) :I imagine that it would be identical? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 02:39, 11 April 2026 (UTC) ::No, they aren't. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 02:50, 11 April 2026 (UTC) :::Oh, I see, you're talking about the underlying text format? That isn't and (from what I've gathered, though {{ping|Jdforrester (WMF)}} didn't respond last time I pinged him) will never be editable by users. The function model where the calls are actually made is identical to Wikifunctions. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 15:36, 11 April 2026 (UTC) ::::I'm not asking whether it's editable. I'm asking whether there is a page that documents what it is. ::::The JSON of the function calls is perhaps the same as Wikifunctions compositions, but there are also other things there, which are not the same as Wikifunctions. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 22:40, 11 April 2026 (UTC) :::::I'm saying that I'm not sure why you'd ''need'' or ''want'' to understand it if you can't edit it and it doesn't impact the user experience in any way. Is there a specific problem that you are running into? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 00:28, 12 April 2026 (UTC) ::::::I'm a very curious person. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 01:19, 12 April 2026 (UTC) :This is an example JSON of an Abstract Wikipedia article, with only the [[f:Z801|Echo function]], if you're curious: { "qid": "Q27318", "sections": { "Q8776414": { "index": 0, "fragments": [ "Z89", { "Z1K1": "Z7", "Z7K1": "Z801" } ] } } }. :The base has two key value pairs, "qid" and "sections". "sections" currently only contains one key-value pair as of now, [[d:Q8776414]], aka lead section. "fragments" is where the Wikifunctions compositions are stored. I have no idea what "index" is. [[User:ChaoticVermillion|<span style="color: orangered">Chaotic</span><span style="color: crimson">Vermillion</span>]] ([[User talk:ChaoticVermillion|converse]], [[Special:Contributions/ChaoticVermillion|contribs]]) 02:35, 12 April 2026 (UTC) ::Yes, that's what I see. I can make educated guesses about those things, but if possible, I'd prefer to read an official reference documentation page. The one about Wikifunctions is fairly good. The one about Abstracts Wikipedia doesn't seem to exist. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 03:25, 12 April 2026 (UTC) :::I think the reason there's no documentation is that it's merely a curiosity, whereas the mainspace of the wiki is barely functional right now. Perhaps we'll get one later, or whenever/if ever we get the ability to edit it? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 19:09, 12 April 2026 (UTC) ::Just to clarify (?), index is 0! I believe it can only be 0 at present, at least through the user interface, and I imagine [[:phab:T411699|this ticket]] is to allow a non-zero index to be set and modified (so long as it is positive and, in all likelihood, sequential). [[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 14:00, 12 April 2026 (UTC) :Not yet. I think such a page on Abstract Wikipedia would be for the community to create and maintain. I don’t know how [[:phab:maniphest/graph/411686|these things]] are decided upon, but I don’t see a task that would cover technical documentation of any kind. :The development team will no doubt respond with enthusiasm to any questions from the community on matters of technical detail, but I’d be inclined to let such interactions be led by the needs of on-wiki documentation, rather than a proliferation of Phabricator tasks and Project-chat topics. :Shall we ask once on [[Abstract Wikipedia talk:Frequently Asked Questions]] and see which questions should count among the frequently-asked? [[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 13:37, 12 April 2026 (UTC) ::@[[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]], this is quite definitely something that the extension developers are supposed to create and maintain. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 20:32, 12 April 2026 (UTC) :::Not as content on this wiki, was my point. Here, I suggest, we should reference any relevant technical documentation from whichever pages we, as a community, choose to create for such a purpose. [[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 23:06, 12 April 2026 (UTC) ::::I don't care very much where it is. I'd just like to read it. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 23:25, 12 April 2026 (UTC) :@[[User:Amire80|Amire80]]: The Wikifunctions function model is documented (alongside its two JSON forms) because we anticipate people would (and should) build tools using it directly. Conversely, the vague expectation ("plan" would be too strong at this point) for Abstract Wikipedia, on the other hand, is that we'll provide APIs to interact with the content, but its serialisation will change over time as features are added to better support the Abstract Wikipedia community's wishes. :For a concrete example (''not a commitment!'') of how the serialisation might change, whilst the system kept working as before, we might in the future add a top-level concept for an abstract article's infobox, which would be shown, edited, and stored apart from the rest of the article's sections, and used differently downstream. [[User:Jdforrester (WMF)|Jdforrester (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Jdforrester (WMF)|talk]]) 19:27, 12 April 2026 (UTC) == Bot request == {{Tracked|T421151}} Can someone smarter than me please create a bot that connects local items to Wikidata equivalents? Right now, we are growing and there are [[Special:UnconnectedPages|hundreds of unconnected pages]] here that are just 1:1 main namespace entries that have identical names at [[:d:]]. I have connected several of these, but this seems like a very inefficient and silly thing to do manually. Can someone help here by making a bot that checks [[Special:UnconnectedPages]] regularly or even [[Special:NewPages]] and connects pages? [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 06:17, 3 April 2026 (UTC) :This doesn't sound like something that should be a bot, but like something more automatic and built-in. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 11:27, 3 April 2026 (UTC) ::@[[User:Amire80|Amire80]] and [[User:Koavf|Koavf]]: Would a bot be a good idea in the interim period before that can be added to the software? [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 14:31, 3 April 2026 (UTC) :::Yes, please. Granted, Amir, doing it automatically would be nice, but that feature doesn't exist. Until then, a bot would be very helpful and seems like it would be very difficult to cause problems. [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 14:57, 3 April 2026 (UTC) ::::@[[User:Amire80|Amire80]] and [[User:Koavf|Koavf]]: I've written some code for this purpose [[gitlab:toolforge-repos/jjpmaster-bot-wd-t1|here]]. <code>Retrospective.py</code> is meant to be run once, and would connect all existing pages (once the trial run is over). <code>Prospective.py</code> would run once daily and connect any pages that have been created since the previous day. That is, until the Phabricator ticket is resolved, obviously. [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 21:42, 3 April 2026 (UTC) :::::Boss. I'm so glad that you're smarter than me. [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 03:25, 4 April 2026 (UTC) :::::{{ping|JJPMaster}} You might want to use <syntaxhighlight lang="python" inline>{ 'action': 'query', 'list': 'querypage', 'qppage': 'UnconnectedPages' }</syntaxhighlight> instead. That way, you won't have to maintain two scripts. [[User:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|<span class="skin-invert" style="color:black;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:110%;font-weight:normal;line-height:normal">NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh</span>]] 03:58, 4 April 2026 (UTC) ::::::@[[User:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh]]: This is [[gitlab:toolforge-repos/jjpmaster-bot-wd-t1/-/commit/415688aa6f9e1dcbafa21a8b3249899c07f298e9|done]]. [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 05:01, 4 April 2026 (UTC) :::::::{{ping|JJPMaster}} One more problem: You seem to be linking non-mainspace pages as well. Don't forget to check <syntaxhighlight lang="python" inline>page['ns']</syntaxhighlight>. Also, why <syntaxhighlight lang="python" inline>if(i > 2): break</syntaxhighlight>? [[User:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|<span class="skin-invert" style="color:black;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:110%;font-weight:normal;line-height:normal">NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh</span>]] 05:27, 4 April 2026 (UTC) ::::::::@[[User:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh]]: The <code>if not qid.startswith("Q")</code> bit was supposed to address the namespace problem. The break statement is for the trial of the bot. The integer in the if statement will change once the request is made. [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 17:04, 4 April 2026 (UTC) :::::::::{{ping|JJPMaster}} [[Special:UnconnectedPages]] results are ordered by namespace, so checking for <syntaxhighlight lang="python" inline>page['ns']</syntaxhighlight> will also help prevent unnecessary iterations. [[User:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|<span class="skin-invert" style="color:black;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:110%;font-weight:normal;line-height:normal">NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh</span>]] 19:54, 4 April 2026 (UTC) :::@[[User:Amire80|Amire80]], [[User:Koavf|Koavf]], and [[User:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh]]: Is a Wikidata BRFA in order at this time? [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 05:03, 4 April 2026 (UTC) ::::{{ping|JJPMaster}} Go ahead, please. [[User:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|<span class="skin-invert" style="color:black;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:110%;font-weight:normal;line-height:normal">NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh</span>]] 05:25, 4 April 2026 (UTC) :::::See [[d:Wikidata:Requests for permissions/Bot/JJPMaster (bot)]]. [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 18:00, 4 April 2026 (UTC) == Wikifunctions & Abstract Wikipedia Newsletter #242 is out: Request for Discussion: Syntactic tables == There is [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-04-02|a new update]] for Abstract Wikipedia and Wikifunctions. Please, come and read it! In this issue, we introduce a proposal for Natural Language Generation, we introduce a page for function suggestions from Abstract Wikipedia, we inform you that there will be a presentation about Abstract Wikipedia at WikiCon Australia, and we take a look at the latest software developments. Want to catch up with the previous updates? Check [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates|our archive]]! Also, we remind you that if you have questions or ideas to discuss, the next '''Volunteers' Corner''' will be held on '''[https://zonestamp.toolforge.org/1776101400 April 13, at 17:30 UTC]''' ([https://meet.google.com/xuy-njxh-rkw link to the meeting]). Enjoy the reading! -- [[User:Sannita (WMF)|User:Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 13:37, 3 April 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Sannita (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Wikifunctions_%26_Abstract_Wikipedia&oldid=30325620 --> == Way to specify population == Hi! I was wondering if there was a function to specify the population of a place, possibly resembling the following: :N X live in Y. N would be the population size, X would be what comprises the population (e.g., humans, frogs, etc.), and Y would be the location. [[User:Babelball|Babelball]] ([[User talk:Babelball|talk]]) 15:43, 3 April 2026 (UTC) :I don't believe we do. Thinking about it now, we should probably have a page where users can request linguistic functions in a more viable format than [[f:WF:Suggest a function]]. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 02:39, 11 April 2026 (UTC) == The problem of when "X is a Y" and Y is a phrase == Consider [[Q486972]], whose second sentence is supposed to be "A human settlement is a populated place," generated using the "Article-ful instantiating fragment" function. However, it fails, because the implementation [[f:Z23414|Z23414]] inherently checks for a lexeme linked to the superclass ("[[D:Q123964505|populated place]]"). However, since "populated place" is a phrase whose meaning is reducible to the sum of its parts, there is no lexeme for it. Therefore, it's virtually impossible to say "An X is a Y" where Y is a non-idiomatic phrase. Additionally, languages with grammatical gender are rendered particularly problematic. Consider [[Q6636]]. The first sentence of this article renders perfectly fine in English: "Homosexuality is a sexual orientation." However, it does not render at all in Spanish. That's because that language's NLG functions use lexicographic data to determine the gender of the phrase "sexual orientation." As there are no such data available for that phrase, it errors out. I did think about using [[f:Z29743|Z29743]] (description of class with adjective and superclass) instead, but that didn't work, since there's no item linked to the adjective "sexual"! Any ideas for how to avoid this? [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 00:21, 4 April 2026 (UTC) :We'd the co-operation of Wikidata contributors here, I think. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 02:37, 11 April 2026 (UTC) == I made a desktop app that helps with editing == [[file:Abstract Wikipedia Editor v4.1.0.png|thumb|alt=screenshot|now there's a screenshot available]] I made a desktop app that helps with creating and editing Abstract Wikipedia pages. It pulls data from wikidata to form templates that it makes into wikitext, and it can round-trip articles into and from the wikitext. Here it is [[User:Immanuelle/Abstract Wikipedia Editor]]. I hope that it helps with editing. — [[user:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[user talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 00:51, 6 April 2026 (UTC) : I've created [[Abstract Wikipedia:Tools]] for tracking these things. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 14:44, 7 April 2026 (UTC) : @[[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] But the main namespace is not for wikitext. Are you publishing this content there anyway? <span style="color:#EAA">♥</span>[[User:Ainali|Ainali]] <small>^{[[User talk:Ainali|discussion]]}_{[[Special:Contributions/Ainali|contributions]]}</small> 15:05, 7 April 2026 (UTC) :: It's not actual wikitext. It's a custom template syntax that's kind of like wikitext, which gets converted into abstract content when you press "Push to Abstract Wikipedia." [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 16:57, 7 April 2026 (UTC) ::: @[[User:Ainali|Ainali]]@[[User:JJPMaster|JJPMaster]] if you have syntax suggestions I am interested. I was in a rush with implementing this, and I want to in the future implement aliases for wikifunctions and possibly items, so that you can type things out yourself. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 19:53, 7 April 2026 (UTC) ::: Ah, I see. IT was just the announcement that was ambiguous then. <span style="color:#EAA">♥</span>[[User:Ainali|Ainali]] <small>^{[[User talk:Ainali|discussion]]}_{[[Special:Contributions/Ainali|contributions]]}</small> 20:03, 7 April 2026 (UTC) : FYI anything made by a clanker AI robot is not "made by you." Thank you for your attention to this matter. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 15:18, 7 April 2026 (UTC) :: Who, then? [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 20:16, 7 April 2026 (UTC) ::: The clanker AI robot. [[User:Babelball|Babelball]] ([[User talk:Babelball|talk]]) 16:42, 8 April 2026 (UTC) :::: I edited the Wikidata page for the tool to mention Claude. [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 21:35, 8 April 2026 (UTC) ::::: FYI that LLM-generated code is not eligible for copyright, and therefore the MIT license by extension. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 17:59, 9 April 2026 (UTC) :::::: I think the statements that Wikidata could make are limited by what references can be found. [https://docs.github.com/en/repositories/managing-your-repositorys-settings-and-features/customizing-your-repository/licensing-a-repository This help page] makes it sound as if there are limited options for expressing a repo's licensing situation, so I am not surprised that MIT should be the blanket release, even if strictly speaking some of the code contained within is ineligible for copyright, or infringes on an existing copyright (which would need to be demonstrated). But I suppose [https://cpomagazine.com/cyber-security/taking-stock-of-the-anthropic-source-code-leak-ai-agent-compromise-signals-security-issues-claude-copies-ahead-of-massive-ipo turnabout] is fair play? — [[user:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[user talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 19:53, 9 April 2026 (UTC) ::::::: @[[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] I like the idea of the wikidata content being restricted based on sources provided. I will try to implement something like this in the next release. Any ideas of which particular statements are useful and should be imported more readily? [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 20:28, 9 April 2026 (UTC) :::::::: I meant in [[d:Q138963952|the Wikidata item]] ''for'' AWE, but in general I think our articles should incorporate references early on, since even abstract content needs justification. [[d:help:sources#Language-independent general principles|This help page]] may be handy; '[[d:property:P3680|statement supported by]]' could be useful for linking to biographical articles in the manner "According to [source], [claim]" (obviously adjusted to the relevant language structures in each language for saying such things). — [[user:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[user talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 20:42, 9 April 2026 (UTC) :::::::::@[[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] oh that makes sense. But as for the wikidata sources, actually providing the sources is something that is trivially easy as far as accessing wikidata is concerned, but I am not sure how to give sources for claims in wikilambdas. Do you know how? [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 20:44, 9 April 2026 (UTC) ::::::::::I don't. Currently the distinction between content and format is unclear to me. [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 21:48, 9 April 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::@[[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] what do you mean by content vs format? [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 21:52, 9 April 2026 (UTC) ::::::::::::In the most 'abstract' sense, an article would have as irreducible parts semantic content only (from Wikidata), with syntax handled by the group of functions responsible for getting things looking right in a given target language. In practice, the overall structuring of the article largely defines or limits the syntactic structures of language produced. This is sensible for an encyclopedia which has a fairly conventional or constrained sort of prose. Of course, a web encyclopedia needs more than prose. Hence the functions for making links and formatting text (right now directly to HTML, bypassing wikitext). Although this is a MediaWiki installation, no article has had media content added to it yet, since the formatting functions that would enable that aren't in place. So I would say that content and formatting are entangled, currently. A reference could be considered either: the text that provides the sourcing of a statement, or the formatting that enables this semantic content to read as a reference, perhaps inline or as a footnote, end note, or marginal note. [[f:WF:type proposals#Representing abstract content]] has a couple RfCs about this. — [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 01:45, 10 April 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::Yeah I am very confused about what the intention of Abstract Wikipedia is and how much it lines up with the reality. I had thought that the articles would be mostly directly generated from wikidata. :::::::::::::Only particular direction I see clearly is that I think we need articles on all of these pages [[d:Wikidata:List of articles that Abstract Wikipedia should have]] since they will likely bring a lot of traffic to the site and since they have a lot of information, people will have a lot of reason to come to this site and come up with new ways of expressing things on the pages. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 04:06, 10 April 2026 (UTC) ::::::::::::::I am however really liking section headers like the one here [[Q12539]] and I am going to include them in the next release [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 04:13, 10 April 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::::Yes I think that adding sections to articles might be really the first part of the journey towards actually having somewhat readable articles. Although a lot of this is dependent on the article text actually rendering at all [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 04:21, 10 April 2026 (UTC) ::::::::::::::::Yeah I think I am getting the hang of things. Adding sections and paragraph breaks to the new versions. Denoted by ::::::::::::::::<nowiki>{{p}}</nowiki> ::::::::::::::::for a paragraph break ::::::::::::::::and ::::::::::::::::==QID== ::::::::::::::::for a subheading ::::::::::::::::All content is now generated within paragraphs, and the <nowiki>{{p}}</nowiki> splits the paragraphs up. Feeglgeef mentioned that the paragraphs are a significant accessibility feature, and the paragraphs are also easier to insert with the methods of the app. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 04:36, 10 April 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::::::I am also implementing "it" to avoid repeating the name of the article constantly, and I am implementing citation preservation on certain things.Meanwhile also trying to fix the accessibility issue that was criticized. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 05:25, 10 April 2026 (UTC) ::::::::::::::::::New release is out [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 07:42, 10 April 2026 (UTC) ::::::::::::::::::I would suggest not to use [[d:Q6091500]] at the moment. In some languages, there might be multiple words for different uses of "it". If you are editing with only the English logic, it won't help build a multilingual wiki. [[User:Sun8908|Sun8908]] ([[User talk:Sun8908|talk]]) 17:42, 11 April 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::::::::@[[User:Sun8908|Sun8908]] fair. I had thought it would be dropped in pro-drop languages but I do not think that was a reasonable assumption. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 19:47, 11 April 2026 (UTC) ::::::::::::::::::::I asked at the Monday meeting. Not sure if anything is being done about it though. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 20:15, 15 April 2026 (UTC) :Nice work. I for one don't care how you made the tool, the important part to me is how it works and if it helps me/us edit AW. [[User:So9q|So9q]] ([[User talk:So9q|talk]]) 20:23, 11 April 2026 (UTC) :[[File:AWE split paragraphs.png|thumb|Article on wheat]] {{ping|Immanuelle}} your tool is back at it again! I've asked you to test it before you use it to create a bunch of articles twice now. You, evidently, haven't listened! I understand you're probably acting in good faith, but you ''have'' to test your tool before you unleash it on the wiki. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 01:38, 18 April 2026 (UTC) ::No, I did listen. I am not sure what your objection is, but this looks like intended behaviour. I was asked to make every single sentence into its own paragraph to make it easier to debug maintaining accessibility. Previous the tool grouped many sentences into a single paragraph. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 02:49, 18 April 2026 (UTC) :::@[[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]]: You were asked to make each actual paragraph into a call of the "paragraph" function. You were not asked to make every individual sentence a paragraph. That is probably even less accessible than what we started with. [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 03:06, 18 April 2026 (UTC) ::::The content itself needs refining. As it is, most articles have no value-added over the Wikidata triples plus labels; basically just slight readability improvements. We require complex structures sooner rather than later. [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 03:08, 18 April 2026 (UTC) ::::I thought that the rule was that we put every single sentence into a paragraph of its own because text readers need a paragraph to read the text. We cannot debug things if there are multiple sentences within a paragraph, because these sentences go up to the top and make it so that the paragraph itself fails to render. ::::So this was specifically an accessibility concern for people who are visually impaired, with an accepted reduction in readability for people with regular vision so that it can also be debugged. ::::Like this: ::::"What we might try is wrapping each sentence as a paragraph, with occasional pairing of closely related sentences. That keeps failure isolated while preserving at least some natural flow. ::::We could consider also implementing a “sentence” or “content unit” function that simply calls “paragraph”, so we can later tell where the intended paragraphs are." [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 04:11, 18 April 2026 (UTC) :::::We need to import the quote template [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 04:12, 18 April 2026 (UTC) :Does anybody want any other changes to be made to this tool? Things are still relatively up in the air about what an optimum article even is, and as a result it kind of makes us limited in what we can do with it. I'm changing the way that the paragraphs work to fit what I now perceive as the consensus. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 18:11, 18 April 2026 (UTC) : I tried to run it on macOS 14.5, but it errored out when I clicked "Pull from Wikidata." It appears that this was because you hardcoded your Python path. <code>Error: Error invoking remote method 'generate-wikitext': Error: spawn C:/Users/Immanuelle/AppData/Local/Programs/Python/Python313/python.exe ENOENT</code> — [[user:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[user talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[special:contribs/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 11:56, 6 April 2026 (UTC) :: For the record, the solution is to go into <code>src/main.ts</code> and change the Python path to something other than <code>C:/Users/Immanuelle/...</code> — [[user:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[user talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[special:contribs/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 12:05, 6 April 2026 (UTC) : TYSM!! I did have to debug the code a little first to get it working, but this will be so helpful for me. — [[user:ChaoticVermillion|<span style="color: orangered">Chaotic</span><span style="color: crimson">Vermillion</span>]] ([[user talk:ChaoticVermillion|converse]], [[special:contribs/ChaoticVermillion|contribs]]) 11:59, 6 April 2026 (UTC) :: I am so sorry and I fixed it so the new release should avoid that problem in the future. — [[user:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[user talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 17:55, 6 April 2026 (UTC) ::: @[[User:ChaoticVermillion|ChaoticVermillion]] btw there is an update that has a lot more functions and I am not sure if you are using it. The new one allows you to undo edits or restore revisions. Something that I cannot figure out how to do in regular Abstract Wikipedia. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 17:55, 8 April 2026 (UTC) == Wikiprojects == Are there wiki projects here? Can I just make some in this namespace? [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 15:12, 10 April 2026 (UTC) :I don't see why not. It's a wiki, after all :). Please just don't flood the talkspace with templates that don't exist. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 16:51, 10 April 2026 (UTC) ::I've created a first Wikiproject ([[Abstract Wikipedia:WikiProject Core articles]]) and an explainer page ([[Abstract Wikipedia:WikiProject]]). [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 17:11, 10 April 2026 (UTC) :::I made this one too [[Abstract Wikipedia:WikiProject Quality Prose]] [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 18:39, 10 April 2026 (UTC) ::{{ping|Feeglgeef}} Are WikiProjects for specific languages OK? Responsibility seems to be stretched between maintaining Wikidata labels and lexemes alongside creating and maintaining functions on Wikifunctions, so I'm unsure if Abstract Wikipedia would be considered a good place to coordinate these things. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 21:56, 20 April 2026 (UTC) :::There's no community consensus for or against, so, since this is a wiki, I don't see any reason why anyone would stop you :). [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 23:46, 20 April 2026 (UTC) == Wikifunctions & Abstract Wikipedia Newsletter #243 is out: Community proposals for capturing meaning == There is [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-04-10|a new update]] for Abstract Wikipedia and Wikifunctions. Please, come and read it! In this issue, we report on three community proposals on syntactic approaches, we introduce a new Type (Complex numbers), we report on current hiccups on Abstract Wikipedia, we share more information about a presentation about Abstract Wikipedia at WikiCon Australia, and we take a look at the latest software developments. Want to catch up with the previous updates? Check [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates|our archive]]! Also, we remind you that if you have questions or ideas to discuss, the next '''Volunteers' Corner''' will be held on '''[https://zonestamp.toolforge.org/1776101400 April 13, at 17:30 UTC]''' ([https://meet.google.com/xuy-njxh-rkw link to the meeting]). Enjoy the reading! -- [[User:Sannita (WMF)|User:Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 15:35, 10 April 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Sannita (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Wikifunctions_%26_Abstract_Wikipedia&oldid=30325620 --> == Numerous errors have been introduced, possibly due to the "AWE" tool == As [[User:Fram|Fram]] has [[w:Wikipedia:Village_pump_(WMF)#c-Fram-20260410163000-Fram-20260408131600|pointed out]] over on the English Wikipedia in his usual style, [[User:Immanuelle]] has been breaking pages such as [[Q711]] with edits such as [[Special:Diff/4383]]. I was able to [[Special:Diff/4415|fix this]] by changing "it" to Wikidata item reference in "defining role sentence". @[[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]]: Judging by your edit history, you have introduced this error to a lot of pages. Before continuing with your work to make the rest of the articles from your list, [[d:Wikidata:List of articles that Abstract Wikipedia should have]], I kindly ask you to fix the pages you've already made. [[User:Warudo|Warudo]] ([[User talk:Warudo|talk]]) 17:16, 10 April 2026 (UTC) :This is, of course, what happens when you use a slop-machine to write code. See existing discussion on [[User talk:Immanuelle/Abstract Wikipedia Editor#Creates inaccessible content]]. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 17:19, 10 April 2026 (UTC) ::@[[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] I thought you wanted everything nested in the paragraph things. That's why I did that, following your request that you linked to. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 17:45, 10 April 2026 (UTC) :::I know. In the future, can you test whatever the slop-machine gives you ''on-wiki'' to ensure you don't mass-vandalize it again? Thank you! [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 17:52, 10 April 2026 (UTC) ::::@[[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] the problem I faced is that I do not know how to actually understand error messages on this wiki. When every page fails to render, it is very difficult to know if I introduced an error, or the program introduced an error. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 18:18, 10 April 2026 (UTC) :::::@[[User:Warudo|Warudo]] I guess my question for you would be how did you figure out that this was an error on the page? [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 18:19, 10 April 2026 (UTC) ::::::That's a fair question. The way things are now you can't be sure if the error is because of technical issues with the site or a bad page. In this case it was rather easy though. The "dependency" parameter of [[f:Z28016]] expects a reference to a Wikidata item but you passed the string "it" to it. That is an obvious mistake so it was easy to tell that it's not a random error. [[User:Warudo|Warudo]] ([[User talk:Warudo|talk]]) 19:23, 10 April 2026 (UTC) :::::::That makes sense. I will try to be a lot more careful with error detection in the future. Hopefully the technical issues with the site are fixed and I can see the content issues more soon [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 20:08, 10 April 2026 (UTC) ::::I suggest that “vandalize” is an inappropriate choice of word in this case. Whatever your feelings about the quality of the code or the care with which it is being deployed, I think you could manage to assume good faith on the part of a fellow contributor. Thank you. ::::At a technical level, there is an issue with simply bracketing multiple calls together to yield a paragraph, since a failure in any one call will lead to the loss of the whole paragraph. In [[:f:Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-03-26]], the advice given was: ::::::“By the way, here’s one tip: currently, caching for Abstract Wikipedia happens on the level of the “fragment”. This means that by putting several sentences into a single paragraph, the paragraph as a whole is being run, may cause time-outs, and will be cached. Instead, if, for now, you put one sentence into each fragment, caching and evaluation can be more spread out and should allow for more content.” ::::[[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 19:00, 10 April 2026 (UTC) :::::@[[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] would you suggest removing the paragraph by default behavior in the editor over this? [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 19:50, 10 April 2026 (UTC) ::::::What we might try is wrapping each sentence as a paragraph, with occasional pairing of closely related sentences. That keeps failure isolated while preserving at least some natural flow. ::::::We could consider also implementing a “sentence” or “content unit” function that simply calls “paragraph”, so we can later tell where the intended paragraphs are. [[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 21:23, 10 April 2026 (UTC) :::::::This is not accessible for users with screen-readers, and thus not a viable work-around. Each paragraph must be in a paragraph tag. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 22:31, 10 April 2026 (UTC) ::::::::It’s sub-optimal, I agree, but every unit of meaning would be wrapped in p tags, which is more accessible than a series of bare fragments or failed function calls. [[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 17:07, 11 April 2026 (UTC) :::::::::If you do need to make inaccessible articles, please at least give them a category on the talk page. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 21:21, 11 April 2026 (UTC) ::::::::::We’d need to agree an accessibility standard first, but I’m not planning on creating any articles until there are suitable functions available. [[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 22:36, 11 April 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::I agree. Accessibility standards need to be established and not just assumed. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 23:28, 11 April 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::I definitely do agree that we need accessibility standards, but this isn't really a nice-to-have that you debate about but rather the floor. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 00:27, 12 April 2026 (UTC) ::::::::::::I took this thread as consensus that we need to have every sentence as its own paragraph. Is that incorrect? Do people want me to change it back to one paragraph per paragraph break? I removed that one because it covered up errors. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 04:21, 18 April 2026 (UTC) :::::When someone "vandalizes" it is not necessarily intentional, see [[wikt:vandalise]]. I do understand that Immanuelle has good faith, but at the same time, the "deployment" caused tens of articles to be broken, and furthermore I don't suspect something this bad would have slipped through had a human carefully reviewed the code. When a contributor deploys a semi-automated tool and uses it to make edits at the rate {{ping|Immanuelle}} was at this rate, you are morally obligated to test it. This wasn't the first time the slop-machine that they used caused them to mess up tens of articles, and if Immanuelle doesn't exercise extreme care in the future, I don't suspect it will be the last. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 22:25, 10 April 2026 (UTC) ::::::It was a silent error that was only discovered by chance. What kind of testing would you have done to avoid this? [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 22:37, 10 April 2026 (UTC) ::::::@[[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]]": On Wikipedia, "[[:en:WP:VAND|Vandalism]]" is a technical term that means "editing (or other behavior) '''''deliberately''' intended to [[:en:Wikipedia:DE|obstruct or defeat]] the [[:en:Wikipedia:Five_pillars|project's purpose]]''". Accidental disruptive editing is not considered vandalism. [[User:Warudo|Warudo]] ([[User talk:Warudo|talk]]) 22:52, 10 April 2026 (UTC) :::::::@[[User:Warudo|Warudo]] on the topic of this glitch. I think I have removed it from all pages that had it. Please tell me if there are more that you see. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 23:29, 10 April 2026 (UTC) ::::::::Thanks for cleaning up :) [[User:So9q|So9q]] ([[User talk:So9q|talk]]) 20:29, 11 April 2026 (UTC) :::::::This isn't the English Wikipedia, or even a wikipedia at all, despite the domain. Unless a defined technical term related to Wikifunctions I'd consider words to have their natural language meaning. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 01:28, 11 April 2026 (UTC) ::::::::@[[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]]: Last time I checked, this was the Abstract ''Wikipedia''. But in any case, this is the definition provided in [[f:Wikifunctions:Vandalism|Wikifunctions]] as well as [[meta:meta:Vandalism|meta]]. Vandalism has to be deliberate. [[User:Warudo|Warudo]] ([[User talk:Warudo|talk]]) 08:50, 11 April 2026 (UTC) :::::::::It's not ''the'' Abstract Wikipedia like ''the'' English Wikipedia, but just Abstract Wikipedia. It isn't a Wikipedia in and of itself (as in, it's not supposed to be viewed by end readers), but rather a tool for Wikipedias. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 15:33, 11 April 2026 (UTC) ::::::::::It still has an independent editing community. Just because it draws from Wikidata and Wikifunctions doesn't mean content decisions aren't made here; it necessarily has to have some autonomy just like any language edition. [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 19:18, 11 April 2026 (UTC) :::::::::“Deliberately” is also the first word of section 3.3 of our Code of Conduct, linked at the foot of every page. [[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 17:11, 11 April 2026 (UTC) :::::+1 Please assume good faith and keep it civil. [[User:So9q|So9q]] ([[User talk:So9q|talk]]) 20:27, 11 April 2026 (UTC) :@[[User:Warudo|Warudo]] will hold off on page creation [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 17:43, 10 April 2026 (UTC) :Just a note @[[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]], the project is a Beta version, so, in my opinion, it's not a good idea to flood it with a large number of [{{fullurl:Special:Contributions|target=Immanuelle&namespace=0&newOnly=1&limit=250&end=2026-04-10}} article stubs]. Additionally, the natural language functions are still limited.--[[User:Mdktb|Mdktb]] ([[User talk:Mdktb|talk]]) 18:58, 10 April 2026 (UTC) ::@[[User:Mdktb|Mdktb]] okay that is a good point. I think I was confused since I thought that we were more on the trying to get new users stage. I will stick to fixing up my errors and only making pages on things that I have a lot of stuff to say on. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 19:20, 10 April 2026 (UTC) :::@[[User:Mdktb|Mdktb]] and here is a wikiproject I made and tagged some pages with that is specifically related to developing more natural language [[Abstract Wikipedia:WikiProject Quality Prose]] [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 19:27, 10 April 2026 (UTC) ::Would you be willing to raise this in the project chat? I'm thinking we are in an experimentation state that will keep improving incrementally just like the first edition of Wikipedia did since January 15, 2001. Just like back then I don't think it's a good idea to arbitrarily limit good faith editing. We probably will have to revisit these articles later as more and better functions become available but that in itself is not a valid argument for refraining from edits. [[User:So9q|So9q]] ([[User talk:So9q|talk]]) 20:36, 11 April 2026 (UTC) :::Already here ;) [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 21:05, 11 April 2026 (UTC) ::I agree with your stub-flooding comment, I don't think it's particularly useful to have a bunch of articles that say nothing. The concern right now should be testing. I expect that the way in which we write abstract articles will change drastically eventually, so writing hundreds of articles is not only a waste of time but a debt. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 21:07, 11 April 2026 (UTC) :::We can always use [[Special:AncientPages]] to find them later on. :::My expectation is that things will change, but we’ll be able to change the articles. They aren’t set in stone. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 03:21, 18 April 2026 (UTC) :The error in question was that "it" ended up getting into the jsons as a string instead of the id for "it". This occurred due to an error with the program with function aliasing, functions and items can have aliases that are used to be human readable, and replaced with their codes during insertion. But apparently when you try to insert a nonexistent alias then it just inserts the text and there is no server side validation at all of edits. :My guess is that basically they do not have an api since they have no server side validation and were relying on solely client side, and did not anticipate someone building such a tool that accidentally bypassed client side validation through a cache injection which was motivated by UX purposes :I plan on attending the Monday volunteer meeting and asking about this issue. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 22:45, 10 April 2026 (UTC) ::> But apparently when you try to insert a nonexistent alias then it just inserts the text and there is no server side validation at all of edits. ::This sounds like a bug. Would you be willing to create a ticket in phab with details? [[User:So9q|So9q]] ([[User talk:So9q|talk]]) 20:38, 11 April 2026 (UTC) :::The team has already declined (or indicated that they had no plans) to do validation in this form, so I don't think a new ticket would be ideal. Either way, this shouldn't affect anyone besides those using a headless browser (or anyone using good, human-reviewed code and a headless browser), so I don't think it would be a priority anyway. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 21:19, 11 April 2026 (UTC) ::::Not sure what you are talking about. At the meeting they did not seem to be opposed to doing server side validation. They just said that they had a bit of concerns about infrastructure that was stopping it as an immediate thing. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 20:14, 15 April 2026 (UTC) :::::The volunteer's corner? I unfortunately missed that, but it was more than a year ago that I believe they decided not to pursue it, so you're probably right. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 13:46, 16 April 2026 (UTC) :So I have resolved this issue, as I have resolved most of the issues that people brought up. The whole paragraph debate is something I am returning to the older version of. Does anybody want other changes to the way that it makes articles? [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 18:09, 18 April 2026 (UTC) == Sandbox page == The previous discussion about bot-created pages does raise a question: is it possible to have sandbox pages here? As far as I can tell, one can only create pages in the main namespace, and it has to be one page per Wikidata item. So there's no good place to experiment. Or am I missing something? The only other thing I can think of is to write the whole abstract article (or a part of it) as a function with a composition implementation on Wikifunctions and then to call it from a user-space sandbox page here. That, however, doesn't actually seem to work: [[User:Amire80/sandbox|I've just tried to call a function from my user space]], and I just see "⏳ Function is being called…". That is possibly a bug that can be fixed (maybe [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T422299 T422299]?), but even if it's fixed, it doesn't look like the best user experience. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 18:48, 10 April 2026 (UTC) :[[phab:T421417]] [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 18:52, 10 April 2026 (UTC) ::For now [[Q3938]] can be used for test edits . [[User:ChaoticVermillion|<span style="color: orangered">Chaotic</span><span style="color: crimson">Vermillion</span>]] ([[User talk:ChaoticVermillion|converse]], [[Special:Contributions/ChaoticVermillion|contribs]]) 02:06, 11 April 2026 (UTC) :We have [[Q138864867]]. [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 23:30, 11 April 2026 (UTC) == I propose Q10693 for featured article == I think [[Q10693]] is the best article here. Can I propose it for [[Abstract Wikipedia:Featured article]] [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 22:24, 10 April 2026 (UTC) :We'd to come to a consensus on criteria first before we nominate anything. Anyway, the talk page of [[Abstract Wikipedia:Featured article]] would be a better place to decide this, not ''everything'' belongs on the project chat. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 02:36, 11 April 2026 (UTC) == REST API for editing? == Hi, does anyone know if there is a ticket in phab for a public API endpoint that allows editing of AW content? It would be very useful to improve tooling and content. [[User:So9q|So9q]] ([[User talk:So9q|talk]]) 20:41, 11 April 2026 (UTC) :I don't believe so. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 21:03, 11 April 2026 (UTC) :I do not know why there isn't a REST API, but I had to [[Abstract Wikipedia:Project chat#I made a desktop app that helps with editing|specifically work around it with my editing tool]]. It will be very nice in the future to have a REST API. :I think that right now there isn't actually any server-side verification of whether an article is well-structured, and that might be the reason why there isn't a REST API yet. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 23:46, 11 April 2026 (UTC) ::What rest api are you talking about? Checkout [[Special:RestSandbox]]. [[User:Tanbiruzzaman|Tanbiruzzaman]] ([[User talk:Tanbiruzzaman|talk]]) 16:50, 12 April 2026 (UTC) :I would like to proudly announce that it can be done. See [[Special:Diff/6102]]. Here was my request: :<syntaxhighlight lang="json">{ "source": "{\"qid\":\"Q100000\",\"sections\":{\"Q8776414\":{\"index\":0,\"fragments\":[\"Z89\"]}}}", "title": "Q100000", "comment": "Hello from MediaWiki REST API", "content_model": "abstractwiki", "token": "[token]" } </syntaxhighlight> [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 04:43, 20 April 2026 (UTC) == Spaces between sentences == In abstract articles with two sentences or more, I usually see two spaces between the sentences. Why two? I usually write one space, and that's probably what most people do in English. I know that some people write two; I don't like it myself, but this practice does exist. But here, it raises a few more nuanced questions: # Where is it actually defined that there are supposed to be ''any'' spaces between the sentences? I might be wrong, but it probably comes from the extension code and not from the functions. # Can this be customized per language? I don't know all the rules for all the languages, but I strongly suspect that some languages use spaces between sentences differently, and no default is good for all the languages. I'd especially check if it's good for Thai, Burmese, Japanese, and Chinese. # When I examine the HTML code of the rendered sentences, each of them is a <code><nowiki><div></nowiki></code>. It's a bit odd—I'd expect <code><nowiki><span></nowiki></code> there. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 21:07, 14 April 2026 (UTC) :Can you give an example article, please? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 14:01, 15 April 2026 (UTC) ::[[Q833]], [[Q11361384]], and probably every other abstract article whose rendered English text has more than sentence. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 14:34, 15 April 2026 (UTC) :::No, not every single one (see [[Q333]]), but most of them. This has happened because Denny promoted separating sentences into individual fragments and Immanuel used an AI slop-machine to create an editing tool. Essentially, they're being treated as separate elements (like how one paragraph is different from a section heading), so the UI adds a space. This, of course, should not be done, because it breaks screen-readers and looks weird, but apparently everyone is just OK with it. Like a thousand articles have been created by the afforementioned slop-generated tool (because the person who oversaw the bot that created it seems to care more about quantity than quality), whereas I've only created three myself (because I care more about quality and shaping the direction of the wiki in preparation for when abstract content becomes actually viable). [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 15:02, 15 April 2026 (UTC) ::::If I understand correctly, [[Q333]] has one fragment, which is one function call, which in turn creates two sentences and joins them using a hardcoded space. If each sentence was created using a separate fragment, they would probably appear with two spaces in practice. Neither option is very good. ::::The mass creation of abstract articles using that tool is probably not really related to this. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 15:52, 15 April 2026 (UTC) :::::No, one of them is objectively wrong and one of them is correct. You're not ''supposed'' to split two sentences into two fragments. That's the point. The mass creation of articles using that tool ''is'' related, because it's responsible for the proliferation of articles that follow the wrong one. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 17:36, 15 April 2026 (UTC) ::::::Why not split sentences into fragments? I can easily imagine some functions that produce several sentences, but it's not universal. ::::::And why is it ''correct'' to join sentences using a hardcoded space? Joining sentences shouldn't be done using a hardcoded space, but with a generic "join sentences" function, which will be one space for many languages, but probably not for all of them. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 17:55, 15 April 2026 (UTC) :::::::Yes, not having to hardcode is the eventual goal. Splitting sentences into fragments is bad because it adds extra spacing (this is a feature, and a good one!), because it's bad for screen-readers, and because it would be impossible to distinguish between paragraphs, the article would just be a collection of sentences. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 18:03, 15 April 2026 (UTC) ::::::::I still don't understand why splitting into fragments is bad. What is good about extra spacing? It looks like a bad feature, not a good one. It sounds like a rendering and presentation issue, not a logical issue. Fragments can be inline, and the inline ones should be <code><nowiki><span></nowiki></code>s, not <code><nowiki><div></nowiki></code>s. And there should also be an option for <code><nowiki><div></nowiki></code> fragments. And maybe some others. Forcing every fragment to be a <code><nowiki><div></nowiki></code> sounds like a bad feature. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 18:46, 15 April 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Again, the spacing is good because the correct reason to split is to create two separate paragraphs. Even if the spacing ''was'' removed, it would still not work for screen-readers, and blocking out blind people when the mission is to spread knowledge to neglected languages is incredibly ironic. I'm not sure how else I'm supposed to communicate this to you. It's like asking "why is magma so hot! I want to drink magma instead of water, but it's too hot and not refreshing!" [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 19:07, 15 April 2026 (UTC) ::::::::::Maybe I understand what a "fragment" is supposed to be differently. Where is defined what is it supposed to be? [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 20:22, 15 April 2026 (UTC) == Archiving discussions on this page? == We're soon coming up to having a month old messages here, and considering the current length of it and size of the community, perhaps 30 days is a good limit for archiving them. Does anyone know how to get an archive bot running here? <span style="color:#EAA">♥</span>[[User:Ainali|Ainali]] <small>^{[[User talk:Ainali|discussion]]}_{[[Special:Contributions/Ainali|contributions]]}</small> 06:44, 16 April 2026 (UTC) :+1 [[User:So9q|So9q]] ([[User talk:So9q|talk]]) 09:55, 16 April 2026 (UTC) :+1 [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 13:41, 16 April 2026 (UTC) :+1. I think SpBot does archiving on Wikifunctions. Maybe it could be brought here as well? [[User:ChaoticVermillion|<span style="color: orangered">Chaotic</span><span style="color: crimson">Vermillion</span>]] ([[User talk:ChaoticVermillion|converse]], [[Special:Contributions/ChaoticVermillion|contribs]]) 14:18, 16 April 2026 (UTC) :+1 [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 14:24, 16 April 2026 (UTC) == Importing the q template == I really want the <nowiki>{{q}}</nowiki> template here imported from wikidata. It is very helpful with qids. Linking to here instead of wikidata. Might be able to be expanded for lexemes and wikifunctions too. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 14:26, 16 April 2026 (UTC) :I've copied it and its dependencies from Wikifunctions: see {{Q|1}} It may need some tweaking to work well here, because we also use QIDs. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 04:51, 17 April 2026 (UTC) ::Great! I think we need [[Template:Quote]] too [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 04:13, 18 April 2026 (UTC) == Caching issues (hopefully) fixed == Hey all, I know the caching issues have been a real pain for you. I've just now deployed what (I hope) is a fix that works for calls on Wikifunctions.org, fragments here, and embedded Wikifunctions calls. See for example [https://abstract.wikipedia.org/view/en/Q1344227 view/en/Q1344227] which should load fragments near-immediately for you (not need a retry or time out). You'll also see e.g. that https://test.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikifunctions now has "stable" results, not just endless "please wait" comments. That said, please tell me where I'm wrong and you're having issues! Much better to hear now than assume it's fixed and start all over again tomorrow. I appreciate your feedback and patience over this; it has been very generous of you all. Our next work in this area is to make the cache much more scalable and resilient over time, so it's faster and more reliable for you, and cheaper for us to support. Thank you again. [[User:Jdforrester (WMF)|Jdforrester (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Jdforrester (WMF)|talk]]) 14:47, 16 April 2026 (UTC) :Thank you (and the rest of the team) for your efforts for this new wiki! We really appreciate it. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 14:58, 16 April 2026 (UTC) :Wow this is great! Now we can do a lot more verification on whether created pages are working well! Gotta look over a bunch of pages. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 15:20, 16 April 2026 (UTC) ::Yes I tried to fix up a bunch of pages. Many of them actually render properly now. But I did need to change quite a few [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 17:36, 16 April 2026 (UTC) :::Yes, please give your attention to the quality of pages you've already created rather than expanding the quantity. For example, on [[Q153]] I notice that you used Z28016 a lot, but that "defining" should only be used when it is the only instance of that class in that location (which works fine for a capital city), but not e.g. for hydrogen being "the" part of ethanol. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 04:43, 17 April 2026 (UTC) == Importing templates from wikipedias == I think it would be a good idea to set something up so that templates from wikipedia can be represented as wikifunctions. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 14:59, 16 April 2026 (UTC) :Already {{done}} on WF, see [[f:WF:MediaWiki parser functions]]. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 15:08, 16 April 2026 (UTC) == Idea for the project chat == I've been thinking of some ideas that we could implement related to the project chat. I'm not saying I endorse anything, just throwing out an idea. There's been a ''lot'' of activity on here, I'm not sure if this is going to be a permanent thing or if it's just because the wiki just started. If it maintains its activity, we might want to divide it up like the English Wikipedia does, perhaps into "Proposals", "Technical and Wikifunctions", and "Miscellaneous." [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 15:19, 16 April 2026 (UTC) :Simple english wikipedia has almost all discussion happen on its Project chat. I think we should only add nerw things once we really need more chats. Having everything here makes it easier for people to keep up with the news of abstract wikipedia. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 16:31, 16 April 2026 (UTC) ::The place to keep up with news for "abstract [sic] wikipedia [sic]" is the newsletter. I think that separating might actually make it easier to follow the specific discussion that you want, as you can choose which of the three to subscribe to. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 17:58, 16 April 2026 (UTC) ::We should at least have a talk page archiving bot, like [[:en:User:lowercase sigmabot III]]. [[User:EatingCarBatteries|EatingCarBatteries]] ([[User talk:EatingCarBatteries|talk]]) 20:18, 16 April 2026 (UTC) == What to do with Z26955 == There are a lot of articles with [[:f:Z26955|Z26955]] in them, since it has this obvious warning on it, what should we do with existing articles that have it? Just remove it on sight? [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 15:33, 16 April 2026 (UTC) :We should only improve articles by fixing the problems, not by removing them. If you can replace a function by a better one, that’s great. Otherwise, please leave it for now so that we can see what needs fixing. [[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 23:04, 16 April 2026 (UTC) == Representing "part of" == How do I represent that something is part of another thing? I used to use the spo sentence without understanding that it did not work. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 16:30, 16 April 2026 (UTC) :I think [[f:Z32982]] can be used, with the role as [[d:Q1310239]]. [[User:ChaoticVermillion|<span style="color: orangered">Chaotic</span><span style="color: crimson">Vermillion</span>]] ([[User talk:ChaoticVermillion|converse]], [[Special:Contributions/ChaoticVermillion|contribs]]) 18:55, 16 April 2026 (UTC) == Wikifunctions & Abstract Wikipedia Newsletter #244 is out: Milestones; Some major issues hopefully resolved == There is [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-04-16|a new update]] for Abstract Wikipedia and Wikifunctions. Please, come and read it! In this issue, we celebrate 4000 functions on Wikifunctions and 1000 abstract articles on Abstract Wikipedia, we announce that we should have fixed some major issues with the websites, we inform you on our latest outreach activities, and we take a look at the latest software developments. Want to catch up with the previous updates? Check [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates|our archive]]! Enjoy the reading! -- [[User:Sannita (WMF)|User:Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 10:22, 17 April 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Sannita (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Wikifunctions_%26_Abstract_Wikipedia&oldid=30325620 --> == AceWiki: Abstract Wikipedia before Abstract Wikipedia? == For those of you not in the know, ACE is [[w:Attempto Controlled English|Attempto Controlled English]]. This is a special subset of English that, unlike regular English, is entirely grammatically unambiguous and is machine-readable. For example, the sentence "Every person has a cat" is ACE, as a computer could easily parse that into a logical structure of the form "for any person P, P has a cat." Well, I found a semantic wiki software called AceWiki, whose articles are written entirely in Attempto Controlled English (see [https://acewiki.petapico.org/acewikigeo/ AceWikiGEO]). The sentence structures seen in AceWiki articles (while I can't link directly to any article, the article on the United States of America, which can be found in the Index in the sidebar, is a good example) are quite similar to those in our existing abstract articles. Using a tool called [https://github.com/Attempto/ACE-in-GF ACE-in-GF], ACE text could be translated into any language. I've been thinking about the idea of a tool that allows an editor to write Attempto Controlled English text, and have that text turned into an abstract article. As an example: '''ACE''' -- "Every antelope is a mammal." &rarr; '''Abstract content''' -- [[f:Z26627|Classifying a class of nouns (Z26627)]]: [[d:Q25894|antelope (Q25894)]], [[d:Q7377|mammal (Q7377)]] This tool would not be optimized for mass article creation, since it would not include an option to generate articles directly from Wikidata, but I think it could be interesting to see how being able to write abstract articles in natural language might lower the barrier to contributing to this project. Thoughts? [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 01:59, 20 April 2026 (UTC) :I'm not sure how we'd actually do the conversion step. If you'd be willing to attempt to make a prototype I'd love to look at it, but I'm skeptical. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 18:12, 21 April 2026 (UTC) == Help with the news section on main page == Hi all, I would like to have some help in importing [[:f:Template:Main page/News]] here and inserting it in the main page's module. Can someone help me to do it? [[User:Sannita (WMF)|Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 10:26, 20 April 2026 (UTC) :I believe [[Template:Main page/News]] is already set up and visible on the main page, unless you mean importing the history of the WF template over. [[User: Tenshi Hinanawi|Tenshi!]] ([[User talk: Tenshi Hinanawi|Talk page]]) 11:12, 20 April 2026 (UTC) ::Ah, that's great, thanks! [[User:Sannita (WMF)|Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 14:53, 20 April 2026 (UTC) == Layout guidelines? == One thing I'm noticing is that there are a ''lot'' of ways to do the same thing. I'd like to know which is preferred in the simple case of making single-sentence articles that just say what they are. Take [[Q503]] for example. If you look at the edit history of the article, you'll see it went through a few changes: * Initially, it was a [[f:Z14396|''string of monolingual text'']] call wrapped inside of a [[f:Z27868|''string to HTML fragment'']] call. The innermost function got the monolingual text returned from [[f:Z26095|''subject is kind of'']], converted it to a string, and then to a HTML fragment. * Afterwards the two topmost functions were removed until only the ''subject is kind of'' function call remained, and this was wrapped in a call to [[f:Z29749|''monolingual text as HTML with visible language tag'']]. * Finally the ''subject is kind of'' call was placed into a typed list provided as an argument to the [[f:Z32234|''join text-like objects into HTML fragment'']] call, which in turn was made into a proper paragraph rather than a standalone <code>&lt;div&gt;</code> as it was previously. None of these seem like a particularly bad way to approach things, and I have seem all of them in the wild; the first thing I tried I did so as it was the way the first article I stumbled upon chose to render its text. Since [[Abstract Wikipedia:Useful functions for article composition]] only goes over linguistic functions, and doesn't seem to provide any guidance on ''composition'' functions (i.e. building the HTML contents itself, as you have to do in the plain visual editor online), I thought I'd ask here if there is a preferred way to do things, and if it could perhaps be made clearer on the website if so. It is rather bothersome wanting to build e.g. a wikitable, and needing to peruse the available functions on Wikifunctions instead of having an easily-accessible way to see what is generally recommended for the particular circumstance. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 21:36, 20 April 2026 (UTC) :I'm partial to paragraph(join text-like objects into HTML fragment(your sentences)), as not using a paragraph tag is bad for those who use screen readers, and I designed join text-like objects to reduce function calls and therefore speed up the article processing step. The long-term problem with this method is that Japanese and Chinese both do not have spaces between sentences, so I plan to soon create a function that takes a list of text-like objects and then converts it into a paragraph under the correct style of each language. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 23:51, 20 April 2026 (UTC) ::That sounds good, I have grown more fond of that method as well. What you described would be great to have, I have been adding [[f:Z13128]] references inbetween each sentence to counteract the lack of spacing but something that would do this automatically for English while also obeying the sentence rules of other languages it renders in would be very ideal. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 16:33, 21 April 2026 (UTC) ::{{ping|Feeglgeef}} I noticed [[f:Z33068]]. I decided to hack up an implementation of it that aligns with what you said, I don't know if this is what your original intention for the function was and I apologize if I misconstrued it. At the moment, it just runs the ''join text-like objects'' function I mentioned earlier wrapped in a call to ''paragraph'', but adds spaces if the language is not Japanese or Chinese. I'm not sure if, in this scope, a lack of spaces is the only difference between how certain languages arrange their sentences. This also only accounts for the ZObjects for Chinese and Japanese specifically, I think some sort of switch statement or separate configuration object would be better suited for this—not to mention that there are separate natural language objects for the different scripts of Japanese, so those would have to be blanketed under Japanese when considering the language passed in (which I don't want to chain a bunch of ORs to do at the moment). For now, though, it seems to work fine. I added two different test cases and they both pass, and I have also utilized the function on [[Q241691]]. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 03:31, 23 April 2026 (UTC) :::Ah, thank you for implementing that, it looks good to me. I've created a persistent object for storing the languages that don't use spaces, [[f:Z33984]]. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 13:47, 23 April 2026 (UTC) == Wikidata problems == Sorry for posting two questions here in a row. I'll try to make this brief. On the bottom of [[Q247237]] is what ''should'' be a list of albums, but on my end it appears as just "''PLUS''" repeated fourteen times. This seems to occur any time I use [[f:Z13464]] on a list of Wikidata item references... is anyone else seeing this? I'm not sure what I could be doing wrong. Related to this, I wonder if I can avoid needing to explicitly state each of these items? I moved the list to a separately-defined object on Wikifunctions to avoid having to constantly transfer it between websites since I don't think the clipboard works cross-site. Ordinarily, if I were trying to get all Autechre studio albums, I would use Wikidata's SPARQL query feature to do this, by finding every entity whose [[wikidata:P31|P31]] is [[wikidata:Q482994|Q482994]] and whose [[wikidata:P50|P50]] is [[wikidata:Q247237|Q247237]]. This doesn't seem to be doable with Wikifunctions, though, or at least I'm not seeing it... so I don't know how I would do this automatically. We are making articles out of functions here, so I think it would be worthwhile if I tried to future-proof the list using this paradigm. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 16:30, 21 April 2026 (UTC) :On your first question, I've [[f:Z33903|tried to replicate this on WF]] and I cannot, which makes it difficult to solve. :We cannot currently reverse most WD statements, so your use case is not ''currently'' possible, but we are able to access the statements that are ''on'' an item. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 18:10, 21 April 2026 (UTC) ::I'm experiencing the issue again on [[f:Z33997]], it seems. Check the test results of the three-item test, "''programmer''" should not appear twice. I ran into a similar problem earlier in working on the implementation. For the two-item case, using a call to ''[[f:Z13397|get the nth element of a list]]'' on both items (index 1 and 2 respectively) returned the first item twice. I had to use a call to ''[[f:Z811|first element]]'' to fix it. ::Could this be a caching issue, perhaps? That seems likely, because I don't know why else this would be happening. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 16:16, 23 April 2026 (UTC) e8b145b6136n9jz3useldj3yz7adkvb 6705 6703 2026-04-24T03:50:07Z Koavf 723 6705 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Shortcut|[[Project:PC]]|[[Project:VP]]}} __NEWSECTIONLINK__ [[Category:Abstract Wikipedia administration|Project Chat]] This is the Abstract Wikipedia Project chat. This is where discussions on the project happen. Add your discussion below this line. More technical issues should go to [[Abstract Wikipedia:Report a technical problem]]. For older conversations, see the archives ([[Abstract Wikipedia:Project chat/Archive 1|1]]). == Put this on ice == How are non-English speakers (who this project is specifically for) meant to develop this wiki's practices and policies if a) all project pages are only available in English, and discussion is largely done in English, and b) there's no attempt to get non-en.wiki communities onboard. At present this looks like it's just going to produce Anglocentric/Eurocentric content, which belies the whole point of having a wiki in one's native language. Yes it's early days and everyone is experimenting and bug-fixing, but the project has already been released to community control, with a predominantly English-speaking/European community. This needs to be put on ice until it can be launched properly with multilingual support and invitations to all wikis, particularly smaller ones. [[User:Kowal2701|Kowal2701]] ([[User talk:Kowal2701|talk]]) 11:44, 28 March 2026 (UTC) :Just because it's not perfect doesn't mean it needs to be shut down. These are all gradual processes. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 15:58, 28 March 2026 (UTC) ::There’s being "not perfect" where things can be improved at a later date, and then there's having antithetical foundations. Also see [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(WMF)#c-Warudo-20260327114000-Warudo-20260327113600] re functions. [[User:Kowal2701|Kowal2701]] ([[User talk:Kowal2701|talk]]) 16:15, 28 March 2026 (UTC) :::You haven't named a single thing that can't be improved at a later date. We're hoping to be able to translate project pages. Non-enwiki communities can be gotten on board later. Function generation already works multilingually in many cases, and those where it does not can be improved. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 16:57, 28 March 2026 (UTC) ::::When the practices and policies will have already been developed, and informal positions of authority already filled. [[User:Kowal2701|Kowal2701]] ([[User talk:Kowal2701|talk]]) 17:04, 28 March 2026 (UTC) :::::@[[User:Kowal2701|Kowal2701]] Thank you for your concerns. We are already aiming at less-served communities through specific calls to action to create more language functions and abstract content in their language. Just give the time to actually see these changes happen. Cheers, [[User:Sannita (WMF)|Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 18:55, 28 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::Hi Sannita, I'm just wondering how are AW project pages planned to be translated in the future? Is there going to be use of some kind of automated tool such as DeepL or Google Translate, or will it be a custom-designed system? [[User:EatingCarBatteries|EatingCarBatteries]] ([[User talk:EatingCarBatteries|talk]]) 20:39, 28 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::@[[User:EatingCarBatteries|EatingCarBatteries]] We will enable the Translate extension soon, so everyone will be able to translate project pages into their own languages. Sorry for keeping you waiting on this. [[User:Sannita (WMF)|Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 10:41, 29 March 2026 (UTC) :@[[User:Kowal2701|Kowal2701]]: thank you for your concern and suggestion. When this Beta started, we have immediately [[:f:Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-03-19|mentioned that there might be the possibility of restarting the project]]. So that might indeed happen. :But so far, this early start of the not fully polished project allows us to learn so incredibly much. In the last few days we have learned so much more than we would have been able without the launch in months! And it helps us to focus on where to put our limited resources, so that we can make the overall project better quicker than would have been possible otherwise. From that perspective, this has been quite a success. :I am trying to understand your suggestion: what do you think would need to be in place before a possible relaunch? Which requirements would need to be met? --[[User:DVrandecic (WMF)|DVrandecic (WMF)]] ([[User talk:DVrandecic (WMF)|talk]]) 13:53, 29 March 2026 (UTC) ::Thank you, I wasn't aware of that. Some uninformed thoughts below. ::Re communication: ideally people would communicate using functions, and there'd be some kind of visual editor where people type in their native language and it gets translated into functions, but I realise that's a pipe dream. Something that allows people who don't have a mutual language to communicate is imo necessary, maybe there could be a tool that machine translates comments. Machine translation ''sucks'', but so long as people get the gist of what is being said, that'd be better than nothing. I dread to think what disputes would be like though. ::Re invitations, idk what has already been done, but I would've thought now would the time to get some people from smaller wikis editing and experimenting, just an invitation on a wiki's main noticeboard would probably do the trick (is there a [[meta:MassMessage]] service for updates re Abstract wiki that could be recommended?). Then a central or watchlist notice for the actual launch, hopefully by which time there'd already be a small group of editors able to assist the influx of newbies. An intuitive tutorial is also necessary, as well as an intuitive version of [[f:Wikifunctions:Catalogue]]. [[User:Kowal2701|Kowal2701]] ([[User talk:Kowal2701|talk]]) 18:14, 29 March 2026 (UTC) :::What do you think about boilerplate templates. So writing a sentence and then marking the parts of the sentence what can be derived from Wikidataitems or the lexeme linked to it. This seems to me like an realistic approach for making it easier to contribute. I am happy you wrote about the predominantly English-speaking/European community involved in this project. It seems like it is different to contribute so far and I had the expectation people from small language versions come on their own and contribute also if they dont speak English. So far it seems to be not the case and I hope it will be easier to contribute. I think for the beginning the goal of Abstract Wikipedia should be generating sentences based on data. So supporting small language versions should be not the goal of the first phase as it seems to take some time and improvements of the structures to make it easier to contribute. Sharing the work and offering people help with creating an function for an specific sentence can be a important way of getting more content in Abstract Wikipedia. Maybe it is unrealistic to find a huge number of people who are interested in writing functions who generate text. [[User:Hogü-456|Hogü-456]] ([[User talk:Hogü-456|talk]]) 20:58, 29 March 2026 (UTC) :::[[Abstract Wikipedia:Useful functions for article composition]] is already available, as is [[Help:How to create an article]], but they are not perfect. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 22:05, 29 March 2026 (UTC) :Wikidata has a project chat in many languages. We can do that in the future. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 14:28, 16 April 2026 (UTC) ::Anyone can write on this page in any language. Personally, I’d prefer to see the original and get it translated into English rather than trying to make sense of a poor machine translation without even knowing which language the original was in. For the same reason, I would generally reply in English. [[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 23:18, 16 April 2026 (UTC) == Gendered languages == I've created [[Q79097672]], an article for a woman singer. In gendered languages however, it defaults to using masculine words. An example: in Portuguese, it reads "Arlo Parks é um cantor", when it should be "Arlo Parks é uma cantora". Is there any fix to this? [[User:Skyshifter|Skyshifter]] ([[User talk:Skyshifter|talk]]) 23:49, 28 March 2026 (UTC) :Yes. But each language is handled separately. I think Italian is doing it. German was started but got stuck… it should be working here soon. [[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 00:48, 29 March 2026 (UTC) ::Italian is not doing it. It is just a happy coincidence that for some reason "cantante" is always treated as feminine (I have to investigate why). [[User:Dv103|Dv103]] ([[User talk:Dv103|talk]]) 19:59, 7 April 2026 (UTC) == Why don't we just structure this with wikitemplates? == I feel like the project could be done a lot better by using templates kind of like how wikipedia does them. Just the entire thing is templates that can be rendered in many languages. So like [[Q106289265]] would have the content \{\{Z26039|Q7257\}\}\ and could even have some aliasing done across languages so it could be \{\{subject is|Q7257\}\}\. Code would be editable with a regular visual editor or code editor. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 04:34, 29 March 2026 (UTC) :This is available in pages when Parsoid rendering is enabled. We don't use this becuase it doesn't make sense for constructing and editing massive articles. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 21:37, 29 March 2026 (UTC) ::How do you do parsoid rendering? And why wouldn't it make sense? With aliases and everything could work great. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 23:12, 29 March 2026 (UTC) :::I believe it is enabled by default. If you do have it on: {{#function:Z10000|you'll s|ee this}} [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 14:54, 30 March 2026 (UTC) == Automatically querying wikidata == Is it possible in the future for this project to have things that automatically query wikidata? Like an infobox that gives people's spouses, or a function that queries a specific property on wikidata [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 20:10, 29 March 2026 (UTC) :Yes, that is the long term goal. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 21:37, 29 March 2026 (UTC) ::What’s “long term” about it? We already have functions that query specific properties on Wikidata, [[f:Z32431]] being a simple example. A list of spouses seems like a fairly simple function too, although there might be performance issues if there are a lot of spouses. [[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 22:01, 31 March 2026 (UTC) :I had exactly this question. One of the example here is [[Q1033]] where I read "Nigeria is the most populous country in Africa.". The problem is that this concept is hard-coded. What if its population will decrease and it will become the second-most populous country? [[User:Wiso|Wiso]] ([[User talk:Wiso|talk]]) 08:21, 20 April 2026 (UTC) == Searching for other namespaces in the search bar == Something that has always irked me with Wikidata, Wikifunctions, and now Abstract Wiki is that there are no search suggestions when you are searching in other namespaces in the search bar. For example, if I were to type "Abstract Wikipedia:", nothing shows up. Whereas on enwiki, you can do this just fine. Is this because these sites are using a more "modified" version of MediaWiki? [[User:EatingCarBatteries|EatingCarBatteries]] ([[User talk:EatingCarBatteries|talk]]) 04:38, 30 March 2026 (UTC) :I also find this very annoying. I'm not sure if there's anything that can be done about it or if it is a result of technical limitations ({{ping|Jdforrester (WMF)}}?). [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 04:41, 30 March 2026 (UTC) ::@[[User:EatingCarBatteries|EatingCarBatteries]], @[[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]]: The search interface indeed is designed to only search the Wikidata concepts that would take up the main namespace. This is conceptually the same as the search on Wikidata.org. We'd welcome Phabricator tasks for ideas on how to additionally provide wikitext community page search, though implementing that might not be a priority. [[User:Jdforrester (WMF)|Jdforrester (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Jdforrester (WMF)|talk]]) 12:11, 30 March 2026 (UTC) :::Hint: don’t use the Search bar… :::When it is empty, click the adjacent Search button. This takes you to the Search page. :::Type the namespace with final colon. You are prompted with available pages and the prompt is refined as you type. :::Click a page title in the suggestions or click Search for a full search in the entered namespace. :::A search with just a namespace will return no results. A search with a partial identifier will work only [[Special:Search/Talk:Q1*|with an appended asterisk]] (delete the asterisk to see page suggestions). [[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 13:11, 30 March 2026 (UTC) == List articles == I am interested in creating list articles ([[:de:Liste_der_Naturdenkmale_im_Bezirk_Mitte|like this one]]). But I have no idea what it needs and how to start. [[User:GPSLeo|GPSLeo]] ([[User talk:GPSLeo|talk]]) 19:58, 30 March 2026 (UTC) :An example I've created that you can copy and adapt is [[Q11750]]. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 01:27, 3 April 2026 (UTC) == Logo == In vector2009 and monobook, the logo shows as the standard enwiki logo. Which is confusing as this is technically a whole other sisterproject. I suggest [[:File:Wikipedia-logo-blank.svg|this]] be used as a temporary logo for these skins. [[User:Kinopiko|Kinopiko]] ([[User talk:Kinopiko|talk]]) 06:00, 31 March 2026 (UTC) :There's also the scalable favicon, [[commons:File:Abstract-Wikipedia-favicon.svg|Abstract-Wikipedia-favicon.svg]] [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 01:54, 3 April 2026 (UTC) :This still appears to be as of yet unfixed. I understand this wiki is still very early in its lifespan so I'm not particularly miffed about it, it looking identical due to the logo is rather confusing at first but with separation with tab groups in my browser it becomes manageable. I am personally excited to see what logo(s) will be devised for this project; seeing the same thing happen for the other sister projects has been very fun to watch in the past. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 21:49, 20 April 2026 (UTC) == Extra spaces between sentences == There should be no spaces between two sentences of Chinese and Japanese. —[[User:内存溢出的猫|内存溢出的猫]] ([[User talk:内存溢出的猫|talk]]) 12:38, 2 April 2026 (UTC) :I'm not sure how we plan to handle this. I'll bring it up on the Telegram/IRC. This applies to Korean too, yes? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 01:28, 3 April 2026 (UTC) {{tracked|T}} :Please link to the corresponding Phabricator ticket when it’s raised. (Or I will, when I raise it). I think the technical issue is that the space is inserted between function calls. There may be two, but HTML reduces their appearance to one, which is one too many for certain languages. [[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 08:58, 3 April 2026 (UTC) ::No, your sentences should not be individual fragments. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 02:40, 11 April 2026 (UTC) == community curation of abstract articles of the week/month/etc. == [[wikifunctions:wikifunctions talk:status updates/2026-03-26#Move Status Updates to Abstract Wikipedia?|this thread]] at WF mentions that WMF staff are refraining from content decisions at Abstract Wikipedia; so I thought that it might be a good idea to figure out if and how there will be editathons here focussed on a selection of articles. — [[user:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[user talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 20:38, 2 April 2026 (UTC) : I would support this. — [[user:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[user talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 01:29, 3 April 2026 (UTC) : now I notice [[abstract:featured article]] in the same category as the project chat, so there's a location for a related concept already! (coming at it the other direction: recognizing already good articles versus barnraising that quality) — [[user:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[user talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 01:48, 3 April 2026 (UTC) ::I think it will be quite a while before we can support a “good” article, let a “featured” one. At this stage, I’d settle for “technically interesting”, to include “of archaeological interest” (like the first use of a particular function or function-call pattern). [[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 08:51, 3 April 2026 (UTC) :::one goal could be to make stubs and grow them for the basic concepts underlying Abstract Wikipedia, in an attempt to self-document. [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 02:45, 7 April 2026 (UTC) == JSON format == The JSON format for Wikifunctions is described at [[:f:Wikifunctions:Function model]]. Is there such a documentation page for Abstract Wikipedia? [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 15:19, 2 April 2026 (UTC) :I imagine that it would be identical? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 02:39, 11 April 2026 (UTC) ::No, they aren't. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 02:50, 11 April 2026 (UTC) :::Oh, I see, you're talking about the underlying text format? That isn't and (from what I've gathered, though {{ping|Jdforrester (WMF)}} didn't respond last time I pinged him) will never be editable by users. The function model where the calls are actually made is identical to Wikifunctions. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 15:36, 11 April 2026 (UTC) ::::I'm not asking whether it's editable. I'm asking whether there is a page that documents what it is. ::::The JSON of the function calls is perhaps the same as Wikifunctions compositions, but there are also other things there, which are not the same as Wikifunctions. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 22:40, 11 April 2026 (UTC) :::::I'm saying that I'm not sure why you'd ''need'' or ''want'' to understand it if you can't edit it and it doesn't impact the user experience in any way. Is there a specific problem that you are running into? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 00:28, 12 April 2026 (UTC) ::::::I'm a very curious person. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 01:19, 12 April 2026 (UTC) :This is an example JSON of an Abstract Wikipedia article, with only the [[f:Z801|Echo function]], if you're curious: { "qid": "Q27318", "sections": { "Q8776414": { "index": 0, "fragments": [ "Z89", { "Z1K1": "Z7", "Z7K1": "Z801" } ] } } }. :The base has two key value pairs, "qid" and "sections". "sections" currently only contains one key-value pair as of now, [[d:Q8776414]], aka lead section. "fragments" is where the Wikifunctions compositions are stored. I have no idea what "index" is. [[User:ChaoticVermillion|<span style="color: orangered">Chaotic</span><span style="color: crimson">Vermillion</span>]] ([[User talk:ChaoticVermillion|converse]], [[Special:Contributions/ChaoticVermillion|contribs]]) 02:35, 12 April 2026 (UTC) ::Yes, that's what I see. I can make educated guesses about those things, but if possible, I'd prefer to read an official reference documentation page. The one about Wikifunctions is fairly good. The one about Abstracts Wikipedia doesn't seem to exist. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 03:25, 12 April 2026 (UTC) :::I think the reason there's no documentation is that it's merely a curiosity, whereas the mainspace of the wiki is barely functional right now. Perhaps we'll get one later, or whenever/if ever we get the ability to edit it? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 19:09, 12 April 2026 (UTC) ::Just to clarify (?), index is 0! I believe it can only be 0 at present, at least through the user interface, and I imagine [[:phab:T411699|this ticket]] is to allow a non-zero index to be set and modified (so long as it is positive and, in all likelihood, sequential). [[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 14:00, 12 April 2026 (UTC) :Not yet. I think such a page on Abstract Wikipedia would be for the community to create and maintain. I don’t know how [[:phab:maniphest/graph/411686|these things]] are decided upon, but I don’t see a task that would cover technical documentation of any kind. :The development team will no doubt respond with enthusiasm to any questions from the community on matters of technical detail, but I’d be inclined to let such interactions be led by the needs of on-wiki documentation, rather than a proliferation of Phabricator tasks and Project-chat topics. :Shall we ask once on [[Abstract Wikipedia talk:Frequently Asked Questions]] and see which questions should count among the frequently-asked? [[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 13:37, 12 April 2026 (UTC) ::@[[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]], this is quite definitely something that the extension developers are supposed to create and maintain. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 20:32, 12 April 2026 (UTC) :::Not as content on this wiki, was my point. Here, I suggest, we should reference any relevant technical documentation from whichever pages we, as a community, choose to create for such a purpose. [[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 23:06, 12 April 2026 (UTC) ::::I don't care very much where it is. I'd just like to read it. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 23:25, 12 April 2026 (UTC) :@[[User:Amire80|Amire80]]: The Wikifunctions function model is documented (alongside its two JSON forms) because we anticipate people would (and should) build tools using it directly. Conversely, the vague expectation ("plan" would be too strong at this point) for Abstract Wikipedia, on the other hand, is that we'll provide APIs to interact with the content, but its serialisation will change over time as features are added to better support the Abstract Wikipedia community's wishes. :For a concrete example (''not a commitment!'') of how the serialisation might change, whilst the system kept working as before, we might in the future add a top-level concept for an abstract article's infobox, which would be shown, edited, and stored apart from the rest of the article's sections, and used differently downstream. [[User:Jdforrester (WMF)|Jdforrester (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Jdforrester (WMF)|talk]]) 19:27, 12 April 2026 (UTC) == Bot request == {{Tracked|T421151}} Can someone smarter than me please create a bot that connects local items to Wikidata equivalents? Right now, we are growing and there are [[Special:UnconnectedPages|hundreds of unconnected pages]] here that are just 1:1 main namespace entries that have identical names at [[:d:]]. I have connected several of these, but this seems like a very inefficient and silly thing to do manually. Can someone help here by making a bot that checks [[Special:UnconnectedPages]] regularly or even [[Special:NewPages]] and connects pages? [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 06:17, 3 April 2026 (UTC) :This doesn't sound like something that should be a bot, but like something more automatic and built-in. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 11:27, 3 April 2026 (UTC) ::@[[User:Amire80|Amire80]] and [[User:Koavf|Koavf]]: Would a bot be a good idea in the interim period before that can be added to the software? [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 14:31, 3 April 2026 (UTC) :::Yes, please. Granted, Amir, doing it automatically would be nice, but that feature doesn't exist. Until then, a bot would be very helpful and seems like it would be very difficult to cause problems. [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 14:57, 3 April 2026 (UTC) ::::@[[User:Amire80|Amire80]] and [[User:Koavf|Koavf]]: I've written some code for this purpose [[gitlab:toolforge-repos/jjpmaster-bot-wd-t1|here]]. <code>Retrospective.py</code> is meant to be run once, and would connect all existing pages (once the trial run is over). <code>Prospective.py</code> would run once daily and connect any pages that have been created since the previous day. That is, until the Phabricator ticket is resolved, obviously. [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 21:42, 3 April 2026 (UTC) :::::Boss. I'm so glad that you're smarter than me. [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 03:25, 4 April 2026 (UTC) :::::{{ping|JJPMaster}} You might want to use <syntaxhighlight lang="python" inline>{ 'action': 'query', 'list': 'querypage', 'qppage': 'UnconnectedPages' }</syntaxhighlight> instead. That way, you won't have to maintain two scripts. [[User:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|<span class="skin-invert" style="color:black;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:110%;font-weight:normal;line-height:normal">NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh</span>]] 03:58, 4 April 2026 (UTC) ::::::@[[User:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh]]: This is [[gitlab:toolforge-repos/jjpmaster-bot-wd-t1/-/commit/415688aa6f9e1dcbafa21a8b3249899c07f298e9|done]]. [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 05:01, 4 April 2026 (UTC) :::::::{{ping|JJPMaster}} One more problem: You seem to be linking non-mainspace pages as well. Don't forget to check <syntaxhighlight lang="python" inline>page['ns']</syntaxhighlight>. Also, why <syntaxhighlight lang="python" inline>if(i > 2): break</syntaxhighlight>? [[User:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|<span class="skin-invert" style="color:black;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:110%;font-weight:normal;line-height:normal">NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh</span>]] 05:27, 4 April 2026 (UTC) ::::::::@[[User:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh]]: The <code>if not qid.startswith("Q")</code> bit was supposed to address the namespace problem. The break statement is for the trial of the bot. The integer in the if statement will change once the request is made. [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 17:04, 4 April 2026 (UTC) :::::::::{{ping|JJPMaster}} [[Special:UnconnectedPages]] results are ordered by namespace, so checking for <syntaxhighlight lang="python" inline>page['ns']</syntaxhighlight> will also help prevent unnecessary iterations. [[User:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|<span class="skin-invert" style="color:black;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:110%;font-weight:normal;line-height:normal">NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh</span>]] 19:54, 4 April 2026 (UTC) :::@[[User:Amire80|Amire80]], [[User:Koavf|Koavf]], and [[User:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh]]: Is a Wikidata BRFA in order at this time? [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 05:03, 4 April 2026 (UTC) ::::{{ping|JJPMaster}} Go ahead, please. [[User:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|<span class="skin-invert" style="color:black;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:110%;font-weight:normal;line-height:normal">NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh</span>]] 05:25, 4 April 2026 (UTC) :::::See [[d:Wikidata:Requests for permissions/Bot/JJPMaster (bot)]]. [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 18:00, 4 April 2026 (UTC) == Wikifunctions & Abstract Wikipedia Newsletter #242 is out: Request for Discussion: Syntactic tables == There is [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-04-02|a new update]] for Abstract Wikipedia and Wikifunctions. Please, come and read it! In this issue, we introduce a proposal for Natural Language Generation, we introduce a page for function suggestions from Abstract Wikipedia, we inform you that there will be a presentation about Abstract Wikipedia at WikiCon Australia, and we take a look at the latest software developments. Want to catch up with the previous updates? Check [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates|our archive]]! Also, we remind you that if you have questions or ideas to discuss, the next '''Volunteers' Corner''' will be held on '''[https://zonestamp.toolforge.org/1776101400 April 13, at 17:30 UTC]''' ([https://meet.google.com/xuy-njxh-rkw link to the meeting]). Enjoy the reading! -- [[User:Sannita (WMF)|User:Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 13:37, 3 April 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Sannita (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Wikifunctions_%26_Abstract_Wikipedia&oldid=30325620 --> == Way to specify population == Hi! I was wondering if there was a function to specify the population of a place, possibly resembling the following: :N X live in Y. N would be the population size, X would be what comprises the population (e.g., humans, frogs, etc.), and Y would be the location. [[User:Babelball|Babelball]] ([[User talk:Babelball|talk]]) 15:43, 3 April 2026 (UTC) :I don't believe we do. Thinking about it now, we should probably have a page where users can request linguistic functions in a more viable format than [[f:WF:Suggest a function]]. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 02:39, 11 April 2026 (UTC) == The problem of when "X is a Y" and Y is a phrase == Consider [[Q486972]], whose second sentence is supposed to be "A human settlement is a populated place," generated using the "Article-ful instantiating fragment" function. However, it fails, because the implementation [[f:Z23414|Z23414]] inherently checks for a lexeme linked to the superclass ("[[D:Q123964505|populated place]]"). However, since "populated place" is a phrase whose meaning is reducible to the sum of its parts, there is no lexeme for it. Therefore, it's virtually impossible to say "An X is a Y" where Y is a non-idiomatic phrase. Additionally, languages with grammatical gender are rendered particularly problematic. Consider [[Q6636]]. The first sentence of this article renders perfectly fine in English: "Homosexuality is a sexual orientation." However, it does not render at all in Spanish. That's because that language's NLG functions use lexicographic data to determine the gender of the phrase "sexual orientation." As there are no such data available for that phrase, it errors out. I did think about using [[f:Z29743|Z29743]] (description of class with adjective and superclass) instead, but that didn't work, since there's no item linked to the adjective "sexual"! Any ideas for how to avoid this? [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 00:21, 4 April 2026 (UTC) :We'd the co-operation of Wikidata contributors here, I think. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 02:37, 11 April 2026 (UTC) == I made a desktop app that helps with editing == [[file:Abstract Wikipedia Editor v4.1.0.png|thumb|alt=screenshot|now there's a screenshot available]] I made a desktop app that helps with creating and editing Abstract Wikipedia pages. It pulls data from wikidata to form templates that it makes into wikitext, and it can round-trip articles into and from the wikitext. Here it is [[User:Immanuelle/Abstract Wikipedia Editor]]. I hope that it helps with editing. — [[user:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[user talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 00:51, 6 April 2026 (UTC) : I've created [[Abstract Wikipedia:Tools]] for tracking these things. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 14:44, 7 April 2026 (UTC) : @[[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] But the main namespace is not for wikitext. Are you publishing this content there anyway? <span style="color:#EAA">♥</span>[[User:Ainali|Ainali]] <small>^{[[User talk:Ainali|discussion]]}_{[[Special:Contributions/Ainali|contributions]]}</small> 15:05, 7 April 2026 (UTC) :: It's not actual wikitext. It's a custom template syntax that's kind of like wikitext, which gets converted into abstract content when you press "Push to Abstract Wikipedia." [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 16:57, 7 April 2026 (UTC) ::: @[[User:Ainali|Ainali]]@[[User:JJPMaster|JJPMaster]] if you have syntax suggestions I am interested. I was in a rush with implementing this, and I want to in the future implement aliases for wikifunctions and possibly items, so that you can type things out yourself. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 19:53, 7 April 2026 (UTC) ::: Ah, I see. IT was just the announcement that was ambiguous then. <span style="color:#EAA">♥</span>[[User:Ainali|Ainali]] <small>^{[[User talk:Ainali|discussion]]}_{[[Special:Contributions/Ainali|contributions]]}</small> 20:03, 7 April 2026 (UTC) : FYI anything made by a clanker AI robot is not "made by you." Thank you for your attention to this matter. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 15:18, 7 April 2026 (UTC) :: Who, then? [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 20:16, 7 April 2026 (UTC) ::: The clanker AI robot. [[User:Babelball|Babelball]] ([[User talk:Babelball|talk]]) 16:42, 8 April 2026 (UTC) :::: I edited the Wikidata page for the tool to mention Claude. [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 21:35, 8 April 2026 (UTC) ::::: FYI that LLM-generated code is not eligible for copyright, and therefore the MIT license by extension. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 17:59, 9 April 2026 (UTC) :::::: I think the statements that Wikidata could make are limited by what references can be found. [https://docs.github.com/en/repositories/managing-your-repositorys-settings-and-features/customizing-your-repository/licensing-a-repository This help page] makes it sound as if there are limited options for expressing a repo's licensing situation, so I am not surprised that MIT should be the blanket release, even if strictly speaking some of the code contained within is ineligible for copyright, or infringes on an existing copyright (which would need to be demonstrated). But I suppose [https://cpomagazine.com/cyber-security/taking-stock-of-the-anthropic-source-code-leak-ai-agent-compromise-signals-security-issues-claude-copies-ahead-of-massive-ipo turnabout] is fair play? — [[user:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[user talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 19:53, 9 April 2026 (UTC) ::::::: @[[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] I like the idea of the wikidata content being restricted based on sources provided. I will try to implement something like this in the next release. Any ideas of which particular statements are useful and should be imported more readily? [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 20:28, 9 April 2026 (UTC) :::::::: I meant in [[d:Q138963952|the Wikidata item]] ''for'' AWE, but in general I think our articles should incorporate references early on, since even abstract content needs justification. [[d:help:sources#Language-independent general principles|This help page]] may be handy; '[[d:property:P3680|statement supported by]]' could be useful for linking to biographical articles in the manner "According to [source], [claim]" (obviously adjusted to the relevant language structures in each language for saying such things). — [[user:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[user talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 20:42, 9 April 2026 (UTC) :::::::::@[[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] oh that makes sense. But as for the wikidata sources, actually providing the sources is something that is trivially easy as far as accessing wikidata is concerned, but I am not sure how to give sources for claims in wikilambdas. Do you know how? [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 20:44, 9 April 2026 (UTC) ::::::::::I don't. Currently the distinction between content and format is unclear to me. [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 21:48, 9 April 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::@[[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] what do you mean by content vs format? [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 21:52, 9 April 2026 (UTC) ::::::::::::In the most 'abstract' sense, an article would have as irreducible parts semantic content only (from Wikidata), with syntax handled by the group of functions responsible for getting things looking right in a given target language. In practice, the overall structuring of the article largely defines or limits the syntactic structures of language produced. This is sensible for an encyclopedia which has a fairly conventional or constrained sort of prose. Of course, a web encyclopedia needs more than prose. Hence the functions for making links and formatting text (right now directly to HTML, bypassing wikitext). Although this is a MediaWiki installation, no article has had media content added to it yet, since the formatting functions that would enable that aren't in place. So I would say that content and formatting are entangled, currently. A reference could be considered either: the text that provides the sourcing of a statement, or the formatting that enables this semantic content to read as a reference, perhaps inline or as a footnote, end note, or marginal note. [[f:WF:type proposals#Representing abstract content]] has a couple RfCs about this. — [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 01:45, 10 April 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::Yeah I am very confused about what the intention of Abstract Wikipedia is and how much it lines up with the reality. I had thought that the articles would be mostly directly generated from wikidata. :::::::::::::Only particular direction I see clearly is that I think we need articles on all of these pages [[d:Wikidata:List of articles that Abstract Wikipedia should have]] since they will likely bring a lot of traffic to the site and since they have a lot of information, people will have a lot of reason to come to this site and come up with new ways of expressing things on the pages. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 04:06, 10 April 2026 (UTC) ::::::::::::::I am however really liking section headers like the one here [[Q12539]] and I am going to include them in the next release [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 04:13, 10 April 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::::Yes I think that adding sections to articles might be really the first part of the journey towards actually having somewhat readable articles. Although a lot of this is dependent on the article text actually rendering at all [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 04:21, 10 April 2026 (UTC) ::::::::::::::::Yeah I think I am getting the hang of things. Adding sections and paragraph breaks to the new versions. Denoted by ::::::::::::::::<nowiki>{{p}}</nowiki> ::::::::::::::::for a paragraph break ::::::::::::::::and ::::::::::::::::==QID== ::::::::::::::::for a subheading ::::::::::::::::All content is now generated within paragraphs, and the <nowiki>{{p}}</nowiki> splits the paragraphs up. Feeglgeef mentioned that the paragraphs are a significant accessibility feature, and the paragraphs are also easier to insert with the methods of the app. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 04:36, 10 April 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::::::I am also implementing "it" to avoid repeating the name of the article constantly, and I am implementing citation preservation on certain things.Meanwhile also trying to fix the accessibility issue that was criticized. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 05:25, 10 April 2026 (UTC) ::::::::::::::::::New release is out [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 07:42, 10 April 2026 (UTC) ::::::::::::::::::I would suggest not to use [[d:Q6091500]] at the moment. In some languages, there might be multiple words for different uses of "it". If you are editing with only the English logic, it won't help build a multilingual wiki. [[User:Sun8908|Sun8908]] ([[User talk:Sun8908|talk]]) 17:42, 11 April 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::::::::@[[User:Sun8908|Sun8908]] fair. I had thought it would be dropped in pro-drop languages but I do not think that was a reasonable assumption. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 19:47, 11 April 2026 (UTC) ::::::::::::::::::::I asked at the Monday meeting. Not sure if anything is being done about it though. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 20:15, 15 April 2026 (UTC) :Nice work. I for one don't care how you made the tool, the important part to me is how it works and if it helps me/us edit AW. [[User:So9q|So9q]] ([[User talk:So9q|talk]]) 20:23, 11 April 2026 (UTC) :[[File:AWE split paragraphs.png|thumb|Article on wheat]] {{ping|Immanuelle}} your tool is back at it again! I've asked you to test it before you use it to create a bunch of articles twice now. You, evidently, haven't listened! I understand you're probably acting in good faith, but you ''have'' to test your tool before you unleash it on the wiki. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 01:38, 18 April 2026 (UTC) ::No, I did listen. I am not sure what your objection is, but this looks like intended behaviour. I was asked to make every single sentence into its own paragraph to make it easier to debug maintaining accessibility. Previous the tool grouped many sentences into a single paragraph. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 02:49, 18 April 2026 (UTC) :::@[[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]]: You were asked to make each actual paragraph into a call of the "paragraph" function. You were not asked to make every individual sentence a paragraph. That is probably even less accessible than what we started with. [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 03:06, 18 April 2026 (UTC) ::::The content itself needs refining. As it is, most articles have no value-added over the Wikidata triples plus labels; basically just slight readability improvements. We require complex structures sooner rather than later. [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 03:08, 18 April 2026 (UTC) ::::I thought that the rule was that we put every single sentence into a paragraph of its own because text readers need a paragraph to read the text. We cannot debug things if there are multiple sentences within a paragraph, because these sentences go up to the top and make it so that the paragraph itself fails to render. ::::So this was specifically an accessibility concern for people who are visually impaired, with an accepted reduction in readability for people with regular vision so that it can also be debugged. ::::Like this: ::::"What we might try is wrapping each sentence as a paragraph, with occasional pairing of closely related sentences. That keeps failure isolated while preserving at least some natural flow. ::::We could consider also implementing a “sentence” or “content unit” function that simply calls “paragraph”, so we can later tell where the intended paragraphs are." [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 04:11, 18 April 2026 (UTC) :::::We need to import the quote template [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 04:12, 18 April 2026 (UTC) :Does anybody want any other changes to be made to this tool? Things are still relatively up in the air about what an optimum article even is, and as a result it kind of makes us limited in what we can do with it. I'm changing the way that the paragraphs work to fit what I now perceive as the consensus. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 18:11, 18 April 2026 (UTC) : I tried to run it on macOS 14.5, but it errored out when I clicked "Pull from Wikidata." It appears that this was because you hardcoded your Python path. <code>Error: Error invoking remote method 'generate-wikitext': Error: spawn C:/Users/Immanuelle/AppData/Local/Programs/Python/Python313/python.exe ENOENT</code> — [[user:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[user talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[special:contribs/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 11:56, 6 April 2026 (UTC) :: For the record, the solution is to go into <code>src/main.ts</code> and change the Python path to something other than <code>C:/Users/Immanuelle/...</code> — [[user:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[user talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[special:contribs/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 12:05, 6 April 2026 (UTC) : TYSM!! I did have to debug the code a little first to get it working, but this will be so helpful for me. — [[user:ChaoticVermillion|<span style="color: orangered">Chaotic</span><span style="color: crimson">Vermillion</span>]] ([[user talk:ChaoticVermillion|converse]], [[special:contribs/ChaoticVermillion|contribs]]) 11:59, 6 April 2026 (UTC) :: I am so sorry and I fixed it so the new release should avoid that problem in the future. — [[user:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[user talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 17:55, 6 April 2026 (UTC) ::: @[[User:ChaoticVermillion|ChaoticVermillion]] btw there is an update that has a lot more functions and I am not sure if you are using it. The new one allows you to undo edits or restore revisions. Something that I cannot figure out how to do in regular Abstract Wikipedia. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 17:55, 8 April 2026 (UTC) == Wikiprojects == Are there wiki projects here? Can I just make some in this namespace? [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 15:12, 10 April 2026 (UTC) :I don't see why not. It's a wiki, after all :). Please just don't flood the talkspace with templates that don't exist. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 16:51, 10 April 2026 (UTC) ::I've created a first Wikiproject ([[Abstract Wikipedia:WikiProject Core articles]]) and an explainer page ([[Abstract Wikipedia:WikiProject]]). [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 17:11, 10 April 2026 (UTC) :::I made this one too [[Abstract Wikipedia:WikiProject Quality Prose]] [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 18:39, 10 April 2026 (UTC) ::{{ping|Feeglgeef}} Are WikiProjects for specific languages OK? Responsibility seems to be stretched between maintaining Wikidata labels and lexemes alongside creating and maintaining functions on Wikifunctions, so I'm unsure if Abstract Wikipedia would be considered a good place to coordinate these things. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 21:56, 20 April 2026 (UTC) :::There's no community consensus for or against, so, since this is a wiki, I don't see any reason why anyone would stop you :). [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 23:46, 20 April 2026 (UTC) == Wikifunctions & Abstract Wikipedia Newsletter #243 is out: Community proposals for capturing meaning == There is [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-04-10|a new update]] for Abstract Wikipedia and Wikifunctions. Please, come and read it! In this issue, we report on three community proposals on syntactic approaches, we introduce a new Type (Complex numbers), we report on current hiccups on Abstract Wikipedia, we share more information about a presentation about Abstract Wikipedia at WikiCon Australia, and we take a look at the latest software developments. Want to catch up with the previous updates? Check [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates|our archive]]! Also, we remind you that if you have questions or ideas to discuss, the next '''Volunteers' Corner''' will be held on '''[https://zonestamp.toolforge.org/1776101400 April 13, at 17:30 UTC]''' ([https://meet.google.com/xuy-njxh-rkw link to the meeting]). Enjoy the reading! -- [[User:Sannita (WMF)|User:Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 15:35, 10 April 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Sannita (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Wikifunctions_%26_Abstract_Wikipedia&oldid=30325620 --> == Numerous errors have been introduced, possibly due to the "AWE" tool == As [[User:Fram|Fram]] has [[w:Wikipedia:Village_pump_(WMF)#c-Fram-20260410163000-Fram-20260408131600|pointed out]] over on the English Wikipedia in his usual style, [[User:Immanuelle]] has been breaking pages such as [[Q711]] with edits such as [[Special:Diff/4383]]. I was able to [[Special:Diff/4415|fix this]] by changing "it" to Wikidata item reference in "defining role sentence". @[[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]]: Judging by your edit history, you have introduced this error to a lot of pages. Before continuing with your work to make the rest of the articles from your list, [[d:Wikidata:List of articles that Abstract Wikipedia should have]], I kindly ask you to fix the pages you've already made. [[User:Warudo|Warudo]] ([[User talk:Warudo|talk]]) 17:16, 10 April 2026 (UTC) :This is, of course, what happens when you use a slop-machine to write code. See existing discussion on [[User talk:Immanuelle/Abstract Wikipedia Editor#Creates inaccessible content]]. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 17:19, 10 April 2026 (UTC) ::@[[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] I thought you wanted everything nested in the paragraph things. That's why I did that, following your request that you linked to. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 17:45, 10 April 2026 (UTC) :::I know. In the future, can you test whatever the slop-machine gives you ''on-wiki'' to ensure you don't mass-vandalize it again? Thank you! [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 17:52, 10 April 2026 (UTC) ::::@[[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] the problem I faced is that I do not know how to actually understand error messages on this wiki. When every page fails to render, it is very difficult to know if I introduced an error, or the program introduced an error. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 18:18, 10 April 2026 (UTC) :::::@[[User:Warudo|Warudo]] I guess my question for you would be how did you figure out that this was an error on the page? [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 18:19, 10 April 2026 (UTC) ::::::That's a fair question. The way things are now you can't be sure if the error is because of technical issues with the site or a bad page. In this case it was rather easy though. The "dependency" parameter of [[f:Z28016]] expects a reference to a Wikidata item but you passed the string "it" to it. That is an obvious mistake so it was easy to tell that it's not a random error. [[User:Warudo|Warudo]] ([[User talk:Warudo|talk]]) 19:23, 10 April 2026 (UTC) :::::::That makes sense. I will try to be a lot more careful with error detection in the future. Hopefully the technical issues with the site are fixed and I can see the content issues more soon [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 20:08, 10 April 2026 (UTC) ::::I suggest that “vandalize” is an inappropriate choice of word in this case. Whatever your feelings about the quality of the code or the care with which it is being deployed, I think you could manage to assume good faith on the part of a fellow contributor. Thank you. ::::At a technical level, there is an issue with simply bracketing multiple calls together to yield a paragraph, since a failure in any one call will lead to the loss of the whole paragraph. In [[:f:Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-03-26]], the advice given was: ::::::“By the way, here’s one tip: currently, caching for Abstract Wikipedia happens on the level of the “fragment”. This means that by putting several sentences into a single paragraph, the paragraph as a whole is being run, may cause time-outs, and will be cached. Instead, if, for now, you put one sentence into each fragment, caching and evaluation can be more spread out and should allow for more content.” ::::[[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 19:00, 10 April 2026 (UTC) :::::@[[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] would you suggest removing the paragraph by default behavior in the editor over this? [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 19:50, 10 April 2026 (UTC) ::::::What we might try is wrapping each sentence as a paragraph, with occasional pairing of closely related sentences. That keeps failure isolated while preserving at least some natural flow. ::::::We could consider also implementing a “sentence” or “content unit” function that simply calls “paragraph”, so we can later tell where the intended paragraphs are. [[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 21:23, 10 April 2026 (UTC) :::::::This is not accessible for users with screen-readers, and thus not a viable work-around. Each paragraph must be in a paragraph tag. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 22:31, 10 April 2026 (UTC) ::::::::It’s sub-optimal, I agree, but every unit of meaning would be wrapped in p tags, which is more accessible than a series of bare fragments or failed function calls. [[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 17:07, 11 April 2026 (UTC) :::::::::If you do need to make inaccessible articles, please at least give them a category on the talk page. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 21:21, 11 April 2026 (UTC) ::::::::::We’d need to agree an accessibility standard first, but I’m not planning on creating any articles until there are suitable functions available. [[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 22:36, 11 April 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::I agree. Accessibility standards need to be established and not just assumed. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 23:28, 11 April 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::I definitely do agree that we need accessibility standards, but this isn't really a nice-to-have that you debate about but rather the floor. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 00:27, 12 April 2026 (UTC) ::::::::::::I took this thread as consensus that we need to have every sentence as its own paragraph. Is that incorrect? Do people want me to change it back to one paragraph per paragraph break? I removed that one because it covered up errors. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 04:21, 18 April 2026 (UTC) :::::When someone "vandalizes" it is not necessarily intentional, see [[wikt:vandalise]]. I do understand that Immanuelle has good faith, but at the same time, the "deployment" caused tens of articles to be broken, and furthermore I don't suspect something this bad would have slipped through had a human carefully reviewed the code. When a contributor deploys a semi-automated tool and uses it to make edits at the rate {{ping|Immanuelle}} was at this rate, you are morally obligated to test it. This wasn't the first time the slop-machine that they used caused them to mess up tens of articles, and if Immanuelle doesn't exercise extreme care in the future, I don't suspect it will be the last. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 22:25, 10 April 2026 (UTC) ::::::It was a silent error that was only discovered by chance. What kind of testing would you have done to avoid this? [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 22:37, 10 April 2026 (UTC) ::::::@[[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]]": On Wikipedia, "[[:en:WP:VAND|Vandalism]]" is a technical term that means "editing (or other behavior) '''''deliberately''' intended to [[:en:Wikipedia:DE|obstruct or defeat]] the [[:en:Wikipedia:Five_pillars|project's purpose]]''". Accidental disruptive editing is not considered vandalism. [[User:Warudo|Warudo]] ([[User talk:Warudo|talk]]) 22:52, 10 April 2026 (UTC) :::::::@[[User:Warudo|Warudo]] on the topic of this glitch. I think I have removed it from all pages that had it. Please tell me if there are more that you see. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 23:29, 10 April 2026 (UTC) ::::::::Thanks for cleaning up :) [[User:So9q|So9q]] ([[User talk:So9q|talk]]) 20:29, 11 April 2026 (UTC) :::::::This isn't the English Wikipedia, or even a wikipedia at all, despite the domain. Unless a defined technical term related to Wikifunctions I'd consider words to have their natural language meaning. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 01:28, 11 April 2026 (UTC) ::::::::@[[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]]: Last time I checked, this was the Abstract ''Wikipedia''. But in any case, this is the definition provided in [[f:Wikifunctions:Vandalism|Wikifunctions]] as well as [[meta:meta:Vandalism|meta]]. Vandalism has to be deliberate. [[User:Warudo|Warudo]] ([[User talk:Warudo|talk]]) 08:50, 11 April 2026 (UTC) :::::::::It's not ''the'' Abstract Wikipedia like ''the'' English Wikipedia, but just Abstract Wikipedia. It isn't a Wikipedia in and of itself (as in, it's not supposed to be viewed by end readers), but rather a tool for Wikipedias. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 15:33, 11 April 2026 (UTC) ::::::::::It still has an independent editing community. Just because it draws from Wikidata and Wikifunctions doesn't mean content decisions aren't made here; it necessarily has to have some autonomy just like any language edition. [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 19:18, 11 April 2026 (UTC) :::::::::“Deliberately” is also the first word of section 3.3 of our Code of Conduct, linked at the foot of every page. [[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 17:11, 11 April 2026 (UTC) :::::+1 Please assume good faith and keep it civil. [[User:So9q|So9q]] ([[User talk:So9q|talk]]) 20:27, 11 April 2026 (UTC) :@[[User:Warudo|Warudo]] will hold off on page creation [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 17:43, 10 April 2026 (UTC) :Just a note @[[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]], the project is a Beta version, so, in my opinion, it's not a good idea to flood it with a large number of [{{fullurl:Special:Contributions|target=Immanuelle&namespace=0&newOnly=1&limit=250&end=2026-04-10}} article stubs]. Additionally, the natural language functions are still limited.--[[User:Mdktb|Mdktb]] ([[User talk:Mdktb|talk]]) 18:58, 10 April 2026 (UTC) ::@[[User:Mdktb|Mdktb]] okay that is a good point. I think I was confused since I thought that we were more on the trying to get new users stage. I will stick to fixing up my errors and only making pages on things that I have a lot of stuff to say on. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 19:20, 10 April 2026 (UTC) :::@[[User:Mdktb|Mdktb]] and here is a wikiproject I made and tagged some pages with that is specifically related to developing more natural language [[Abstract Wikipedia:WikiProject Quality Prose]] [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 19:27, 10 April 2026 (UTC) ::Would you be willing to raise this in the project chat? I'm thinking we are in an experimentation state that will keep improving incrementally just like the first edition of Wikipedia did since January 15, 2001. Just like back then I don't think it's a good idea to arbitrarily limit good faith editing. We probably will have to revisit these articles later as more and better functions become available but that in itself is not a valid argument for refraining from edits. [[User:So9q|So9q]] ([[User talk:So9q|talk]]) 20:36, 11 April 2026 (UTC) :::Already here ;) [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 21:05, 11 April 2026 (UTC) ::I agree with your stub-flooding comment, I don't think it's particularly useful to have a bunch of articles that say nothing. The concern right now should be testing. I expect that the way in which we write abstract articles will change drastically eventually, so writing hundreds of articles is not only a waste of time but a debt. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 21:07, 11 April 2026 (UTC) :::We can always use [[Special:AncientPages]] to find them later on. :::My expectation is that things will change, but we’ll be able to change the articles. They aren’t set in stone. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 03:21, 18 April 2026 (UTC) :The error in question was that "it" ended up getting into the jsons as a string instead of the id for "it". This occurred due to an error with the program with function aliasing, functions and items can have aliases that are used to be human readable, and replaced with their codes during insertion. But apparently when you try to insert a nonexistent alias then it just inserts the text and there is no server side validation at all of edits. :My guess is that basically they do not have an api since they have no server side validation and were relying on solely client side, and did not anticipate someone building such a tool that accidentally bypassed client side validation through a cache injection which was motivated by UX purposes :I plan on attending the Monday volunteer meeting and asking about this issue. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 22:45, 10 April 2026 (UTC) ::> But apparently when you try to insert a nonexistent alias then it just inserts the text and there is no server side validation at all of edits. ::This sounds like a bug. Would you be willing to create a ticket in phab with details? [[User:So9q|So9q]] ([[User talk:So9q|talk]]) 20:38, 11 April 2026 (UTC) :::The team has already declined (or indicated that they had no plans) to do validation in this form, so I don't think a new ticket would be ideal. Either way, this shouldn't affect anyone besides those using a headless browser (or anyone using good, human-reviewed code and a headless browser), so I don't think it would be a priority anyway. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 21:19, 11 April 2026 (UTC) ::::Not sure what you are talking about. At the meeting they did not seem to be opposed to doing server side validation. They just said that they had a bit of concerns about infrastructure that was stopping it as an immediate thing. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 20:14, 15 April 2026 (UTC) :::::The volunteer's corner? I unfortunately missed that, but it was more than a year ago that I believe they decided not to pursue it, so you're probably right. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 13:46, 16 April 2026 (UTC) :So I have resolved this issue, as I have resolved most of the issues that people brought up. The whole paragraph debate is something I am returning to the older version of. Does anybody want other changes to the way that it makes articles? [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 18:09, 18 April 2026 (UTC) == Sandbox page == The previous discussion about bot-created pages does raise a question: is it possible to have sandbox pages here? As far as I can tell, one can only create pages in the main namespace, and it has to be one page per Wikidata item. So there's no good place to experiment. Or am I missing something? The only other thing I can think of is to write the whole abstract article (or a part of it) as a function with a composition implementation on Wikifunctions and then to call it from a user-space sandbox page here. That, however, doesn't actually seem to work: [[User:Amire80/sandbox|I've just tried to call a function from my user space]], and I just see "⏳ Function is being called…". That is possibly a bug that can be fixed (maybe [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T422299 T422299]?), but even if it's fixed, it doesn't look like the best user experience. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 18:48, 10 April 2026 (UTC) :[[phab:T421417]] [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 18:52, 10 April 2026 (UTC) ::For now [[Q3938]] can be used for test edits . [[User:ChaoticVermillion|<span style="color: orangered">Chaotic</span><span style="color: crimson">Vermillion</span>]] ([[User talk:ChaoticVermillion|converse]], [[Special:Contributions/ChaoticVermillion|contribs]]) 02:06, 11 April 2026 (UTC) :We have [[Q138864867]]. [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 23:30, 11 April 2026 (UTC) == I propose Q10693 for featured article == I think [[Q10693]] is the best article here. Can I propose it for [[Abstract Wikipedia:Featured article]] [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 22:24, 10 April 2026 (UTC) :We'd to come to a consensus on criteria first before we nominate anything. Anyway, the talk page of [[Abstract Wikipedia:Featured article]] would be a better place to decide this, not ''everything'' belongs on the project chat. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 02:36, 11 April 2026 (UTC) == REST API for editing? == Hi, does anyone know if there is a ticket in phab for a public API endpoint that allows editing of AW content? It would be very useful to improve tooling and content. [[User:So9q|So9q]] ([[User talk:So9q|talk]]) 20:41, 11 April 2026 (UTC) :I don't believe so. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 21:03, 11 April 2026 (UTC) :I do not know why there isn't a REST API, but I had to [[Abstract Wikipedia:Project chat#I made a desktop app that helps with editing|specifically work around it with my editing tool]]. It will be very nice in the future to have a REST API. :I think that right now there isn't actually any server-side verification of whether an article is well-structured, and that might be the reason why there isn't a REST API yet. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 23:46, 11 April 2026 (UTC) ::What rest api are you talking about? Checkout [[Special:RestSandbox]]. [[User:Tanbiruzzaman|Tanbiruzzaman]] ([[User talk:Tanbiruzzaman|talk]]) 16:50, 12 April 2026 (UTC) :I would like to proudly announce that it can be done. See [[Special:Diff/6102]]. Here was my request: :<syntaxhighlight lang="json">{ "source": "{\"qid\":\"Q100000\",\"sections\":{\"Q8776414\":{\"index\":0,\"fragments\":[\"Z89\"]}}}", "title": "Q100000", "comment": "Hello from MediaWiki REST API", "content_model": "abstractwiki", "token": "[token]" } </syntaxhighlight> [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 04:43, 20 April 2026 (UTC) == Spaces between sentences == In abstract articles with two sentences or more, I usually see two spaces between the sentences. Why two? I usually write one space, and that's probably what most people do in English. I know that some people write two; I don't like it myself, but this practice does exist. But here, it raises a few more nuanced questions: # Where is it actually defined that there are supposed to be ''any'' spaces between the sentences? I might be wrong, but it probably comes from the extension code and not from the functions. # Can this be customized per language? I don't know all the rules for all the languages, but I strongly suspect that some languages use spaces between sentences differently, and no default is good for all the languages. I'd especially check if it's good for Thai, Burmese, Japanese, and Chinese. # When I examine the HTML code of the rendered sentences, each of them is a <code><nowiki><div></nowiki></code>. It's a bit odd—I'd expect <code><nowiki><span></nowiki></code> there. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 21:07, 14 April 2026 (UTC) :Can you give an example article, please? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 14:01, 15 April 2026 (UTC) ::[[Q833]], [[Q11361384]], and probably every other abstract article whose rendered English text has more than sentence. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 14:34, 15 April 2026 (UTC) :::No, not every single one (see [[Q333]]), but most of them. This has happened because Denny promoted separating sentences into individual fragments and Immanuel used an AI slop-machine to create an editing tool. Essentially, they're being treated as separate elements (like how one paragraph is different from a section heading), so the UI adds a space. This, of course, should not be done, because it breaks screen-readers and looks weird, but apparently everyone is just OK with it. Like a thousand articles have been created by the afforementioned slop-generated tool (because the person who oversaw the bot that created it seems to care more about quantity than quality), whereas I've only created three myself (because I care more about quality and shaping the direction of the wiki in preparation for when abstract content becomes actually viable). [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 15:02, 15 April 2026 (UTC) ::::If I understand correctly, [[Q333]] has one fragment, which is one function call, which in turn creates two sentences and joins them using a hardcoded space. If each sentence was created using a separate fragment, they would probably appear with two spaces in practice. Neither option is very good. ::::The mass creation of abstract articles using that tool is probably not really related to this. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 15:52, 15 April 2026 (UTC) :::::No, one of them is objectively wrong and one of them is correct. You're not ''supposed'' to split two sentences into two fragments. That's the point. The mass creation of articles using that tool ''is'' related, because it's responsible for the proliferation of articles that follow the wrong one. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 17:36, 15 April 2026 (UTC) ::::::Why not split sentences into fragments? I can easily imagine some functions that produce several sentences, but it's not universal. ::::::And why is it ''correct'' to join sentences using a hardcoded space? Joining sentences shouldn't be done using a hardcoded space, but with a generic "join sentences" function, which will be one space for many languages, but probably not for all of them. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 17:55, 15 April 2026 (UTC) :::::::Yes, not having to hardcode is the eventual goal. Splitting sentences into fragments is bad because it adds extra spacing (this is a feature, and a good one!), because it's bad for screen-readers, and because it would be impossible to distinguish between paragraphs, the article would just be a collection of sentences. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 18:03, 15 April 2026 (UTC) ::::::::I still don't understand why splitting into fragments is bad. What is good about extra spacing? It looks like a bad feature, not a good one. It sounds like a rendering and presentation issue, not a logical issue. Fragments can be inline, and the inline ones should be <code><nowiki><span></nowiki></code>s, not <code><nowiki><div></nowiki></code>s. And there should also be an option for <code><nowiki><div></nowiki></code> fragments. And maybe some others. Forcing every fragment to be a <code><nowiki><div></nowiki></code> sounds like a bad feature. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 18:46, 15 April 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Again, the spacing is good because the correct reason to split is to create two separate paragraphs. Even if the spacing ''was'' removed, it would still not work for screen-readers, and blocking out blind people when the mission is to spread knowledge to neglected languages is incredibly ironic. I'm not sure how else I'm supposed to communicate this to you. It's like asking "why is magma so hot! I want to drink magma instead of water, but it's too hot and not refreshing!" [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 19:07, 15 April 2026 (UTC) ::::::::::Maybe I understand what a "fragment" is supposed to be differently. Where is defined what is it supposed to be? [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 20:22, 15 April 2026 (UTC) == Archiving discussions on this page? == We're soon coming up to having a month old messages here, and considering the current length of it and size of the community, perhaps 30 days is a good limit for archiving them. Does anyone know how to get an archive bot running here? <span style="color:#EAA">♥</span>[[User:Ainali|Ainali]] <small>^{[[User talk:Ainali|discussion]]}_{[[Special:Contributions/Ainali|contributions]]}</small> 06:44, 16 April 2026 (UTC) :+1 [[User:So9q|So9q]] ([[User talk:So9q|talk]]) 09:55, 16 April 2026 (UTC) :+1 [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 13:41, 16 April 2026 (UTC) :+1. I think SpBot does archiving on Wikifunctions. Maybe it could be brought here as well? [[User:ChaoticVermillion|<span style="color: orangered">Chaotic</span><span style="color: crimson">Vermillion</span>]] ([[User talk:ChaoticVermillion|converse]], [[Special:Contributions/ChaoticVermillion|contribs]]) 14:18, 16 April 2026 (UTC) :+1 [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 14:24, 16 April 2026 (UTC) == Importing the q template == I really want the <nowiki>{{q}}</nowiki> template here imported from wikidata. It is very helpful with qids. Linking to here instead of wikidata. Might be able to be expanded for lexemes and wikifunctions too. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 14:26, 16 April 2026 (UTC) :I've copied it and its dependencies from Wikifunctions: see {{Q|1}} It may need some tweaking to work well here, because we also use QIDs. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 04:51, 17 April 2026 (UTC) ::Great! I think we need [[Template:Quote]] too [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 04:13, 18 April 2026 (UTC) == Caching issues (hopefully) fixed == Hey all, I know the caching issues have been a real pain for you. I've just now deployed what (I hope) is a fix that works for calls on Wikifunctions.org, fragments here, and embedded Wikifunctions calls. See for example [https://abstract.wikipedia.org/view/en/Q1344227 view/en/Q1344227] which should load fragments near-immediately for you (not need a retry or time out). You'll also see e.g. that https://test.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikifunctions now has "stable" results, not just endless "please wait" comments. That said, please tell me where I'm wrong and you're having issues! Much better to hear now than assume it's fixed and start all over again tomorrow. I appreciate your feedback and patience over this; it has been very generous of you all. Our next work in this area is to make the cache much more scalable and resilient over time, so it's faster and more reliable for you, and cheaper for us to support. Thank you again. [[User:Jdforrester (WMF)|Jdforrester (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Jdforrester (WMF)|talk]]) 14:47, 16 April 2026 (UTC) :Thank you (and the rest of the team) for your efforts for this new wiki! We really appreciate it. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 14:58, 16 April 2026 (UTC) :Wow this is great! Now we can do a lot more verification on whether created pages are working well! Gotta look over a bunch of pages. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 15:20, 16 April 2026 (UTC) ::Yes I tried to fix up a bunch of pages. Many of them actually render properly now. But I did need to change quite a few [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 17:36, 16 April 2026 (UTC) :::Yes, please give your attention to the quality of pages you've already created rather than expanding the quantity. For example, on [[Q153]] I notice that you used Z28016 a lot, but that "defining" should only be used when it is the only instance of that class in that location (which works fine for a capital city), but not e.g. for hydrogen being "the" part of ethanol. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 04:43, 17 April 2026 (UTC) == Importing templates from wikipedias == I think it would be a good idea to set something up so that templates from wikipedia can be represented as wikifunctions. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 14:59, 16 April 2026 (UTC) :Already {{done}} on WF, see [[f:WF:MediaWiki parser functions]]. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 15:08, 16 April 2026 (UTC) == Idea for the project chat == I've been thinking of some ideas that we could implement related to the project chat. I'm not saying I endorse anything, just throwing out an idea. There's been a ''lot'' of activity on here, I'm not sure if this is going to be a permanent thing or if it's just because the wiki just started. If it maintains its activity, we might want to divide it up like the English Wikipedia does, perhaps into "Proposals", "Technical and Wikifunctions", and "Miscellaneous." [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 15:19, 16 April 2026 (UTC) :Simple english wikipedia has almost all discussion happen on its Project chat. I think we should only add nerw things once we really need more chats. Having everything here makes it easier for people to keep up with the news of abstract wikipedia. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 16:31, 16 April 2026 (UTC) ::The place to keep up with news for "abstract [sic] wikipedia [sic]" is the newsletter. I think that separating might actually make it easier to follow the specific discussion that you want, as you can choose which of the three to subscribe to. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 17:58, 16 April 2026 (UTC) ::We should at least have a talk page archiving bot, like [[:en:User:lowercase sigmabot III]]. [[User:EatingCarBatteries|EatingCarBatteries]] ([[User talk:EatingCarBatteries|talk]]) 20:18, 16 April 2026 (UTC) == What to do with Z26955 == There are a lot of articles with [[:f:Z26955|Z26955]] in them, since it has this obvious warning on it, what should we do with existing articles that have it? Just remove it on sight? [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 15:33, 16 April 2026 (UTC) :We should only improve articles by fixing the problems, not by removing them. If you can replace a function by a better one, that’s great. Otherwise, please leave it for now so that we can see what needs fixing. [[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 23:04, 16 April 2026 (UTC) == Representing "part of" == How do I represent that something is part of another thing? I used to use the spo sentence without understanding that it did not work. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 16:30, 16 April 2026 (UTC) :I think [[f:Z32982]] can be used, with the role as [[d:Q1310239]]. [[User:ChaoticVermillion|<span style="color: orangered">Chaotic</span><span style="color: crimson">Vermillion</span>]] ([[User talk:ChaoticVermillion|converse]], [[Special:Contributions/ChaoticVermillion|contribs]]) 18:55, 16 April 2026 (UTC) == Wikifunctions & Abstract Wikipedia Newsletter #244 is out: Milestones; Some major issues hopefully resolved == There is [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-04-16|a new update]] for Abstract Wikipedia and Wikifunctions. Please, come and read it! In this issue, we celebrate 4000 functions on Wikifunctions and 1000 abstract articles on Abstract Wikipedia, we announce that we should have fixed some major issues with the websites, we inform you on our latest outreach activities, and we take a look at the latest software developments. Want to catch up with the previous updates? Check [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates|our archive]]! Enjoy the reading! -- [[User:Sannita (WMF)|User:Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 10:22, 17 April 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Sannita (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Wikifunctions_%26_Abstract_Wikipedia&oldid=30325620 --> == AceWiki: Abstract Wikipedia before Abstract Wikipedia? == For those of you not in the know, ACE is [[w:Attempto Controlled English|Attempto Controlled English]]. This is a special subset of English that, unlike regular English, is entirely grammatically unambiguous and is machine-readable. For example, the sentence "Every person has a cat" is ACE, as a computer could easily parse that into a logical structure of the form "for any person P, P has a cat." Well, I found a semantic wiki software called AceWiki, whose articles are written entirely in Attempto Controlled English (see [https://acewiki.petapico.org/acewikigeo/ AceWikiGEO]). The sentence structures seen in AceWiki articles (while I can't link directly to any article, the article on the United States of America, which can be found in the Index in the sidebar, is a good example) are quite similar to those in our existing abstract articles. Using a tool called [https://github.com/Attempto/ACE-in-GF ACE-in-GF], ACE text could be translated into any language. I've been thinking about the idea of a tool that allows an editor to write Attempto Controlled English text, and have that text turned into an abstract article. As an example: '''ACE''' -- "Every antelope is a mammal." &rarr; '''Abstract content''' -- [[f:Z26627|Classifying a class of nouns (Z26627)]]: [[d:Q25894|antelope (Q25894)]], [[d:Q7377|mammal (Q7377)]] This tool would not be optimized for mass article creation, since it would not include an option to generate articles directly from Wikidata, but I think it could be interesting to see how being able to write abstract articles in natural language might lower the barrier to contributing to this project. Thoughts? [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 01:59, 20 April 2026 (UTC) :I'm not sure how we'd actually do the conversion step. If you'd be willing to attempt to make a prototype I'd love to look at it, but I'm skeptical. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 18:12, 21 April 2026 (UTC) == Help with the news section on main page == Hi all, I would like to have some help in importing [[:f:Template:Main page/News]] here and inserting it in the main page's module. Can someone help me to do it? [[User:Sannita (WMF)|Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 10:26, 20 April 2026 (UTC) :I believe [[Template:Main page/News]] is already set up and visible on the main page, unless you mean importing the history of the WF template over. [[User: Tenshi Hinanawi|Tenshi!]] ([[User talk: Tenshi Hinanawi|Talk page]]) 11:12, 20 April 2026 (UTC) ::Ah, that's great, thanks! [[User:Sannita (WMF)|Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 14:53, 20 April 2026 (UTC) == Layout guidelines? == One thing I'm noticing is that there are a ''lot'' of ways to do the same thing. I'd like to know which is preferred in the simple case of making single-sentence articles that just say what they are. Take [[Q503]] for example. If you look at the edit history of the article, you'll see it went through a few changes: * Initially, it was a [[f:Z14396|''string of monolingual text'']] call wrapped inside of a [[f:Z27868|''string to HTML fragment'']] call. The innermost function got the monolingual text returned from [[f:Z26095|''subject is kind of'']], converted it to a string, and then to a HTML fragment. * Afterwards the two topmost functions were removed until only the ''subject is kind of'' function call remained, and this was wrapped in a call to [[f:Z29749|''monolingual text as HTML with visible language tag'']]. * Finally the ''subject is kind of'' call was placed into a typed list provided as an argument to the [[f:Z32234|''join text-like objects into HTML fragment'']] call, which in turn was made into a proper paragraph rather than a standalone <code>&lt;div&gt;</code> as it was previously. None of these seem like a particularly bad way to approach things, and I have seem all of them in the wild; the first thing I tried I did so as it was the way the first article I stumbled upon chose to render its text. Since [[Abstract Wikipedia:Useful functions for article composition]] only goes over linguistic functions, and doesn't seem to provide any guidance on ''composition'' functions (i.e. building the HTML contents itself, as you have to do in the plain visual editor online), I thought I'd ask here if there is a preferred way to do things, and if it could perhaps be made clearer on the website if so. It is rather bothersome wanting to build e.g. a wikitable, and needing to peruse the available functions on Wikifunctions instead of having an easily-accessible way to see what is generally recommended for the particular circumstance. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 21:36, 20 April 2026 (UTC) :I'm partial to paragraph(join text-like objects into HTML fragment(your sentences)), as not using a paragraph tag is bad for those who use screen readers, and I designed join text-like objects to reduce function calls and therefore speed up the article processing step. The long-term problem with this method is that Japanese and Chinese both do not have spaces between sentences, so I plan to soon create a function that takes a list of text-like objects and then converts it into a paragraph under the correct style of each language. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 23:51, 20 April 2026 (UTC) ::That sounds good, I have grown more fond of that method as well. What you described would be great to have, I have been adding [[f:Z13128]] references inbetween each sentence to counteract the lack of spacing but something that would do this automatically for English while also obeying the sentence rules of other languages it renders in would be very ideal. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 16:33, 21 April 2026 (UTC) ::{{ping|Feeglgeef}} I noticed [[f:Z33068]]. I decided to hack up an implementation of it that aligns with what you said, I don't know if this is what your original intention for the function was and I apologize if I misconstrued it. At the moment, it just runs the ''join text-like objects'' function I mentioned earlier wrapped in a call to ''paragraph'', but adds spaces if the language is not Japanese or Chinese. I'm not sure if, in this scope, a lack of spaces is the only difference between how certain languages arrange their sentences. This also only accounts for the ZObjects for Chinese and Japanese specifically, I think some sort of switch statement or separate configuration object would be better suited for this—not to mention that there are separate natural language objects for the different scripts of Japanese, so those would have to be blanketed under Japanese when considering the language passed in (which I don't want to chain a bunch of ORs to do at the moment). For now, though, it seems to work fine. I added two different test cases and they both pass, and I have also utilized the function on [[Q241691]]. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 03:31, 23 April 2026 (UTC) :::Ah, thank you for implementing that, it looks good to me. I've created a persistent object for storing the languages that don't use spaces, [[f:Z33984]]. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 13:47, 23 April 2026 (UTC) == Wikidata problems == Sorry for posting two questions here in a row. I'll try to make this brief. On the bottom of [[Q247237]] is what ''should'' be a list of albums, but on my end it appears as just "''PLUS''" repeated fourteen times. This seems to occur any time I use [[f:Z13464]] on a list of Wikidata item references... is anyone else seeing this? I'm not sure what I could be doing wrong. Related to this, I wonder if I can avoid needing to explicitly state each of these items? I moved the list to a separately-defined object on Wikifunctions to avoid having to constantly transfer it between websites since I don't think the clipboard works cross-site. Ordinarily, if I were trying to get all Autechre studio albums, I would use Wikidata's SPARQL query feature to do this, by finding every entity whose [[wikidata:P31|P31]] is [[wikidata:Q482994|Q482994]] and whose [[wikidata:P50|P50]] is [[wikidata:Q247237|Q247237]]. This doesn't seem to be doable with Wikifunctions, though, or at least I'm not seeing it... so I don't know how I would do this automatically. We are making articles out of functions here, so I think it would be worthwhile if I tried to future-proof the list using this paradigm. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 16:30, 21 April 2026 (UTC) :On your first question, I've [[f:Z33903|tried to replicate this on WF]] and I cannot, which makes it difficult to solve. :We cannot currently reverse most WD statements, so your use case is not ''currently'' possible, but we are able to access the statements that are ''on'' an item. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 18:10, 21 April 2026 (UTC) ::I'm experiencing the issue again on [[f:Z33997]], it seems. Check the test results of the three-item test, "''programmer''" should not appear twice. I ran into a similar problem earlier in working on the implementation. For the two-item case, using a call to ''[[f:Z13397|get the nth element of a list]]'' on both items (index 1 and 2 respectively) returned the first item twice. I had to use a call to ''[[f:Z811|first element]]'' to fix it. ::Could this be a caching issue, perhaps? That seems likely, because I don't know why else this would be happening. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 16:16, 23 April 2026 (UTC) naj4lcjdl98mkbgpoetq210a5eaqq3z 6736 6705 2026-04-24T11:54:21Z JJPMaster 1823 /* What are we called? */ new section 6736 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Shortcut|[[Project:PC]]|[[Project:VP]]}} __NEWSECTIONLINK__ [[Category:Abstract Wikipedia administration|Project Chat]] This is the Abstract Wikipedia Project chat. This is where discussions on the project happen. Add your discussion below this line. More technical issues should go to [[Abstract Wikipedia:Report a technical problem]]. For older conversations, see the archives ([[Abstract Wikipedia:Project chat/Archive 1|1]]). == Put this on ice == How are non-English speakers (who this project is specifically for) meant to develop this wiki's practices and policies if a) all project pages are only available in English, and discussion is largely done in English, and b) there's no attempt to get non-en.wiki communities onboard. At present this looks like it's just going to produce Anglocentric/Eurocentric content, which belies the whole point of having a wiki in one's native language. Yes it's early days and everyone is experimenting and bug-fixing, but the project has already been released to community control, with a predominantly English-speaking/European community. This needs to be put on ice until it can be launched properly with multilingual support and invitations to all wikis, particularly smaller ones. [[User:Kowal2701|Kowal2701]] ([[User talk:Kowal2701|talk]]) 11:44, 28 March 2026 (UTC) :Just because it's not perfect doesn't mean it needs to be shut down. These are all gradual processes. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 15:58, 28 March 2026 (UTC) ::There’s being "not perfect" where things can be improved at a later date, and then there's having antithetical foundations. Also see [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(WMF)#c-Warudo-20260327114000-Warudo-20260327113600] re functions. [[User:Kowal2701|Kowal2701]] ([[User talk:Kowal2701|talk]]) 16:15, 28 March 2026 (UTC) :::You haven't named a single thing that can't be improved at a later date. We're hoping to be able to translate project pages. Non-enwiki communities can be gotten on board later. Function generation already works multilingually in many cases, and those where it does not can be improved. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 16:57, 28 March 2026 (UTC) ::::When the practices and policies will have already been developed, and informal positions of authority already filled. [[User:Kowal2701|Kowal2701]] ([[User talk:Kowal2701|talk]]) 17:04, 28 March 2026 (UTC) :::::@[[User:Kowal2701|Kowal2701]] Thank you for your concerns. We are already aiming at less-served communities through specific calls to action to create more language functions and abstract content in their language. Just give the time to actually see these changes happen. Cheers, [[User:Sannita (WMF)|Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 18:55, 28 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::Hi Sannita, I'm just wondering how are AW project pages planned to be translated in the future? Is there going to be use of some kind of automated tool such as DeepL or Google Translate, or will it be a custom-designed system? [[User:EatingCarBatteries|EatingCarBatteries]] ([[User talk:EatingCarBatteries|talk]]) 20:39, 28 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::@[[User:EatingCarBatteries|EatingCarBatteries]] We will enable the Translate extension soon, so everyone will be able to translate project pages into their own languages. Sorry for keeping you waiting on this. [[User:Sannita (WMF)|Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 10:41, 29 March 2026 (UTC) :@[[User:Kowal2701|Kowal2701]]: thank you for your concern and suggestion. When this Beta started, we have immediately [[:f:Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-03-19|mentioned that there might be the possibility of restarting the project]]. So that might indeed happen. :But so far, this early start of the not fully polished project allows us to learn so incredibly much. In the last few days we have learned so much more than we would have been able without the launch in months! And it helps us to focus on where to put our limited resources, so that we can make the overall project better quicker than would have been possible otherwise. From that perspective, this has been quite a success. :I am trying to understand your suggestion: what do you think would need to be in place before a possible relaunch? Which requirements would need to be met? --[[User:DVrandecic (WMF)|DVrandecic (WMF)]] ([[User talk:DVrandecic (WMF)|talk]]) 13:53, 29 March 2026 (UTC) ::Thank you, I wasn't aware of that. Some uninformed thoughts below. ::Re communication: ideally people would communicate using functions, and there'd be some kind of visual editor where people type in their native language and it gets translated into functions, but I realise that's a pipe dream. Something that allows people who don't have a mutual language to communicate is imo necessary, maybe there could be a tool that machine translates comments. Machine translation ''sucks'', but so long as people get the gist of what is being said, that'd be better than nothing. I dread to think what disputes would be like though. ::Re invitations, idk what has already been done, but I would've thought now would the time to get some people from smaller wikis editing and experimenting, just an invitation on a wiki's main noticeboard would probably do the trick (is there a [[meta:MassMessage]] service for updates re Abstract wiki that could be recommended?). Then a central or watchlist notice for the actual launch, hopefully by which time there'd already be a small group of editors able to assist the influx of newbies. An intuitive tutorial is also necessary, as well as an intuitive version of [[f:Wikifunctions:Catalogue]]. [[User:Kowal2701|Kowal2701]] ([[User talk:Kowal2701|talk]]) 18:14, 29 March 2026 (UTC) :::What do you think about boilerplate templates. So writing a sentence and then marking the parts of the sentence what can be derived from Wikidataitems or the lexeme linked to it. This seems to me like an realistic approach for making it easier to contribute. I am happy you wrote about the predominantly English-speaking/European community involved in this project. It seems like it is different to contribute so far and I had the expectation people from small language versions come on their own and contribute also if they dont speak English. So far it seems to be not the case and I hope it will be easier to contribute. I think for the beginning the goal of Abstract Wikipedia should be generating sentences based on data. So supporting small language versions should be not the goal of the first phase as it seems to take some time and improvements of the structures to make it easier to contribute. Sharing the work and offering people help with creating an function for an specific sentence can be a important way of getting more content in Abstract Wikipedia. Maybe it is unrealistic to find a huge number of people who are interested in writing functions who generate text. [[User:Hogü-456|Hogü-456]] ([[User talk:Hogü-456|talk]]) 20:58, 29 March 2026 (UTC) :::[[Abstract Wikipedia:Useful functions for article composition]] is already available, as is [[Help:How to create an article]], but they are not perfect. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 22:05, 29 March 2026 (UTC) :Wikidata has a project chat in many languages. We can do that in the future. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 14:28, 16 April 2026 (UTC) ::Anyone can write on this page in any language. Personally, I’d prefer to see the original and get it translated into English rather than trying to make sense of a poor machine translation without even knowing which language the original was in. For the same reason, I would generally reply in English. [[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 23:18, 16 April 2026 (UTC) == Gendered languages == I've created [[Q79097672]], an article for a woman singer. In gendered languages however, it defaults to using masculine words. An example: in Portuguese, it reads "Arlo Parks é um cantor", when it should be "Arlo Parks é uma cantora". Is there any fix to this? [[User:Skyshifter|Skyshifter]] ([[User talk:Skyshifter|talk]]) 23:49, 28 March 2026 (UTC) :Yes. But each language is handled separately. I think Italian is doing it. German was started but got stuck… it should be working here soon. [[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 00:48, 29 March 2026 (UTC) ::Italian is not doing it. It is just a happy coincidence that for some reason "cantante" is always treated as feminine (I have to investigate why). [[User:Dv103|Dv103]] ([[User talk:Dv103|talk]]) 19:59, 7 April 2026 (UTC) == Why don't we just structure this with wikitemplates? == I feel like the project could be done a lot better by using templates kind of like how wikipedia does them. Just the entire thing is templates that can be rendered in many languages. So like [[Q106289265]] would have the content \{\{Z26039|Q7257\}\}\ and could even have some aliasing done across languages so it could be \{\{subject is|Q7257\}\}\. Code would be editable with a regular visual editor or code editor. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 04:34, 29 March 2026 (UTC) :This is available in pages when Parsoid rendering is enabled. We don't use this becuase it doesn't make sense for constructing and editing massive articles. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 21:37, 29 March 2026 (UTC) ::How do you do parsoid rendering? And why wouldn't it make sense? With aliases and everything could work great. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 23:12, 29 March 2026 (UTC) :::I believe it is enabled by default. If you do have it on: {{#function:Z10000|you'll s|ee this}} [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 14:54, 30 March 2026 (UTC) == Automatically querying wikidata == Is it possible in the future for this project to have things that automatically query wikidata? Like an infobox that gives people's spouses, or a function that queries a specific property on wikidata [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 20:10, 29 March 2026 (UTC) :Yes, that is the long term goal. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 21:37, 29 March 2026 (UTC) ::What’s “long term” about it? We already have functions that query specific properties on Wikidata, [[f:Z32431]] being a simple example. A list of spouses seems like a fairly simple function too, although there might be performance issues if there are a lot of spouses. [[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 22:01, 31 March 2026 (UTC) :I had exactly this question. One of the example here is [[Q1033]] where I read "Nigeria is the most populous country in Africa.". The problem is that this concept is hard-coded. What if its population will decrease and it will become the second-most populous country? [[User:Wiso|Wiso]] ([[User talk:Wiso|talk]]) 08:21, 20 April 2026 (UTC) == Searching for other namespaces in the search bar == Something that has always irked me with Wikidata, Wikifunctions, and now Abstract Wiki is that there are no search suggestions when you are searching in other namespaces in the search bar. For example, if I were to type "Abstract Wikipedia:", nothing shows up. Whereas on enwiki, you can do this just fine. Is this because these sites are using a more "modified" version of MediaWiki? [[User:EatingCarBatteries|EatingCarBatteries]] ([[User talk:EatingCarBatteries|talk]]) 04:38, 30 March 2026 (UTC) :I also find this very annoying. I'm not sure if there's anything that can be done about it or if it is a result of technical limitations ({{ping|Jdforrester (WMF)}}?). [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 04:41, 30 March 2026 (UTC) ::@[[User:EatingCarBatteries|EatingCarBatteries]], @[[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]]: The search interface indeed is designed to only search the Wikidata concepts that would take up the main namespace. This is conceptually the same as the search on Wikidata.org. We'd welcome Phabricator tasks for ideas on how to additionally provide wikitext community page search, though implementing that might not be a priority. [[User:Jdforrester (WMF)|Jdforrester (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Jdforrester (WMF)|talk]]) 12:11, 30 March 2026 (UTC) :::Hint: don’t use the Search bar… :::When it is empty, click the adjacent Search button. This takes you to the Search page. :::Type the namespace with final colon. You are prompted with available pages and the prompt is refined as you type. :::Click a page title in the suggestions or click Search for a full search in the entered namespace. :::A search with just a namespace will return no results. A search with a partial identifier will work only [[Special:Search/Talk:Q1*|with an appended asterisk]] (delete the asterisk to see page suggestions). [[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 13:11, 30 March 2026 (UTC) == List articles == I am interested in creating list articles ([[:de:Liste_der_Naturdenkmale_im_Bezirk_Mitte|like this one]]). But I have no idea what it needs and how to start. [[User:GPSLeo|GPSLeo]] ([[User talk:GPSLeo|talk]]) 19:58, 30 March 2026 (UTC) :An example I've created that you can copy and adapt is [[Q11750]]. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 01:27, 3 April 2026 (UTC) == Logo == In vector2009 and monobook, the logo shows as the standard enwiki logo. Which is confusing as this is technically a whole other sisterproject. I suggest [[:File:Wikipedia-logo-blank.svg|this]] be used as a temporary logo for these skins. [[User:Kinopiko|Kinopiko]] ([[User talk:Kinopiko|talk]]) 06:00, 31 March 2026 (UTC) :There's also the scalable favicon, [[commons:File:Abstract-Wikipedia-favicon.svg|Abstract-Wikipedia-favicon.svg]] [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 01:54, 3 April 2026 (UTC) :This still appears to be as of yet unfixed. I understand this wiki is still very early in its lifespan so I'm not particularly miffed about it, it looking identical due to the logo is rather confusing at first but with separation with tab groups in my browser it becomes manageable. I am personally excited to see what logo(s) will be devised for this project; seeing the same thing happen for the other sister projects has been very fun to watch in the past. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 21:49, 20 April 2026 (UTC) == Extra spaces between sentences == There should be no spaces between two sentences of Chinese and Japanese. —[[User:内存溢出的猫|内存溢出的猫]] ([[User talk:内存溢出的猫|talk]]) 12:38, 2 April 2026 (UTC) :I'm not sure how we plan to handle this. I'll bring it up on the Telegram/IRC. This applies to Korean too, yes? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 01:28, 3 April 2026 (UTC) {{tracked|T}} :Please link to the corresponding Phabricator ticket when it’s raised. (Or I will, when I raise it). I think the technical issue is that the space is inserted between function calls. There may be two, but HTML reduces their appearance to one, which is one too many for certain languages. [[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 08:58, 3 April 2026 (UTC) ::No, your sentences should not be individual fragments. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 02:40, 11 April 2026 (UTC) == community curation of abstract articles of the week/month/etc. == [[wikifunctions:wikifunctions talk:status updates/2026-03-26#Move Status Updates to Abstract Wikipedia?|this thread]] at WF mentions that WMF staff are refraining from content decisions at Abstract Wikipedia; so I thought that it might be a good idea to figure out if and how there will be editathons here focussed on a selection of articles. — [[user:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[user talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 20:38, 2 April 2026 (UTC) : I would support this. — [[user:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[user talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 01:29, 3 April 2026 (UTC) : now I notice [[abstract:featured article]] in the same category as the project chat, so there's a location for a related concept already! (coming at it the other direction: recognizing already good articles versus barnraising that quality) — [[user:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[user talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 01:48, 3 April 2026 (UTC) ::I think it will be quite a while before we can support a “good” article, let a “featured” one. At this stage, I’d settle for “technically interesting”, to include “of archaeological interest” (like the first use of a particular function or function-call pattern). [[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 08:51, 3 April 2026 (UTC) :::one goal could be to make stubs and grow them for the basic concepts underlying Abstract Wikipedia, in an attempt to self-document. [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 02:45, 7 April 2026 (UTC) == JSON format == The JSON format for Wikifunctions is described at [[:f:Wikifunctions:Function model]]. Is there such a documentation page for Abstract Wikipedia? [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 15:19, 2 April 2026 (UTC) :I imagine that it would be identical? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 02:39, 11 April 2026 (UTC) ::No, they aren't. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 02:50, 11 April 2026 (UTC) :::Oh, I see, you're talking about the underlying text format? That isn't and (from what I've gathered, though {{ping|Jdforrester (WMF)}} didn't respond last time I pinged him) will never be editable by users. The function model where the calls are actually made is identical to Wikifunctions. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 15:36, 11 April 2026 (UTC) ::::I'm not asking whether it's editable. I'm asking whether there is a page that documents what it is. ::::The JSON of the function calls is perhaps the same as Wikifunctions compositions, but there are also other things there, which are not the same as Wikifunctions. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 22:40, 11 April 2026 (UTC) :::::I'm saying that I'm not sure why you'd ''need'' or ''want'' to understand it if you can't edit it and it doesn't impact the user experience in any way. Is there a specific problem that you are running into? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 00:28, 12 April 2026 (UTC) ::::::I'm a very curious person. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 01:19, 12 April 2026 (UTC) :This is an example JSON of an Abstract Wikipedia article, with only the [[f:Z801|Echo function]], if you're curious: { "qid": "Q27318", "sections": { "Q8776414": { "index": 0, "fragments": [ "Z89", { "Z1K1": "Z7", "Z7K1": "Z801" } ] } } }. :The base has two key value pairs, "qid" and "sections". "sections" currently only contains one key-value pair as of now, [[d:Q8776414]], aka lead section. "fragments" is where the Wikifunctions compositions are stored. I have no idea what "index" is. [[User:ChaoticVermillion|<span style="color: orangered">Chaotic</span><span style="color: crimson">Vermillion</span>]] ([[User talk:ChaoticVermillion|converse]], [[Special:Contributions/ChaoticVermillion|contribs]]) 02:35, 12 April 2026 (UTC) ::Yes, that's what I see. I can make educated guesses about those things, but if possible, I'd prefer to read an official reference documentation page. The one about Wikifunctions is fairly good. The one about Abstracts Wikipedia doesn't seem to exist. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 03:25, 12 April 2026 (UTC) :::I think the reason there's no documentation is that it's merely a curiosity, whereas the mainspace of the wiki is barely functional right now. Perhaps we'll get one later, or whenever/if ever we get the ability to edit it? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 19:09, 12 April 2026 (UTC) ::Just to clarify (?), index is 0! I believe it can only be 0 at present, at least through the user interface, and I imagine [[:phab:T411699|this ticket]] is to allow a non-zero index to be set and modified (so long as it is positive and, in all likelihood, sequential). [[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 14:00, 12 April 2026 (UTC) :Not yet. I think such a page on Abstract Wikipedia would be for the community to create and maintain. I don’t know how [[:phab:maniphest/graph/411686|these things]] are decided upon, but I don’t see a task that would cover technical documentation of any kind. :The development team will no doubt respond with enthusiasm to any questions from the community on matters of technical detail, but I’d be inclined to let such interactions be led by the needs of on-wiki documentation, rather than a proliferation of Phabricator tasks and Project-chat topics. :Shall we ask once on [[Abstract Wikipedia talk:Frequently Asked Questions]] and see which questions should count among the frequently-asked? [[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 13:37, 12 April 2026 (UTC) ::@[[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]], this is quite definitely something that the extension developers are supposed to create and maintain. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 20:32, 12 April 2026 (UTC) :::Not as content on this wiki, was my point. Here, I suggest, we should reference any relevant technical documentation from whichever pages we, as a community, choose to create for such a purpose. [[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 23:06, 12 April 2026 (UTC) ::::I don't care very much where it is. I'd just like to read it. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 23:25, 12 April 2026 (UTC) :@[[User:Amire80|Amire80]]: The Wikifunctions function model is documented (alongside its two JSON forms) because we anticipate people would (and should) build tools using it directly. Conversely, the vague expectation ("plan" would be too strong at this point) for Abstract Wikipedia, on the other hand, is that we'll provide APIs to interact with the content, but its serialisation will change over time as features are added to better support the Abstract Wikipedia community's wishes. :For a concrete example (''not a commitment!'') of how the serialisation might change, whilst the system kept working as before, we might in the future add a top-level concept for an abstract article's infobox, which would be shown, edited, and stored apart from the rest of the article's sections, and used differently downstream. [[User:Jdforrester (WMF)|Jdforrester (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Jdforrester (WMF)|talk]]) 19:27, 12 April 2026 (UTC) == Bot request == {{Tracked|T421151}} Can someone smarter than me please create a bot that connects local items to Wikidata equivalents? Right now, we are growing and there are [[Special:UnconnectedPages|hundreds of unconnected pages]] here that are just 1:1 main namespace entries that have identical names at [[:d:]]. I have connected several of these, but this seems like a very inefficient and silly thing to do manually. Can someone help here by making a bot that checks [[Special:UnconnectedPages]] regularly or even [[Special:NewPages]] and connects pages? [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 06:17, 3 April 2026 (UTC) :This doesn't sound like something that should be a bot, but like something more automatic and built-in. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 11:27, 3 April 2026 (UTC) ::@[[User:Amire80|Amire80]] and [[User:Koavf|Koavf]]: Would a bot be a good idea in the interim period before that can be added to the software? [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 14:31, 3 April 2026 (UTC) :::Yes, please. Granted, Amir, doing it automatically would be nice, but that feature doesn't exist. Until then, a bot would be very helpful and seems like it would be very difficult to cause problems. [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 14:57, 3 April 2026 (UTC) ::::@[[User:Amire80|Amire80]] and [[User:Koavf|Koavf]]: I've written some code for this purpose [[gitlab:toolforge-repos/jjpmaster-bot-wd-t1|here]]. <code>Retrospective.py</code> is meant to be run once, and would connect all existing pages (once the trial run is over). <code>Prospective.py</code> would run once daily and connect any pages that have been created since the previous day. That is, until the Phabricator ticket is resolved, obviously. [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 21:42, 3 April 2026 (UTC) :::::Boss. I'm so glad that you're smarter than me. [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 03:25, 4 April 2026 (UTC) :::::{{ping|JJPMaster}} You might want to use <syntaxhighlight lang="python" inline>{ 'action': 'query', 'list': 'querypage', 'qppage': 'UnconnectedPages' }</syntaxhighlight> instead. That way, you won't have to maintain two scripts. [[User:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|<span class="skin-invert" style="color:black;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:110%;font-weight:normal;line-height:normal">NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh</span>]] 03:58, 4 April 2026 (UTC) ::::::@[[User:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh]]: This is [[gitlab:toolforge-repos/jjpmaster-bot-wd-t1/-/commit/415688aa6f9e1dcbafa21a8b3249899c07f298e9|done]]. [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 05:01, 4 April 2026 (UTC) :::::::{{ping|JJPMaster}} One more problem: You seem to be linking non-mainspace pages as well. Don't forget to check <syntaxhighlight lang="python" inline>page['ns']</syntaxhighlight>. Also, why <syntaxhighlight lang="python" inline>if(i > 2): break</syntaxhighlight>? [[User:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|<span class="skin-invert" style="color:black;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:110%;font-weight:normal;line-height:normal">NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh</span>]] 05:27, 4 April 2026 (UTC) ::::::::@[[User:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh]]: The <code>if not qid.startswith("Q")</code> bit was supposed to address the namespace problem. The break statement is for the trial of the bot. The integer in the if statement will change once the request is made. [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 17:04, 4 April 2026 (UTC) :::::::::{{ping|JJPMaster}} [[Special:UnconnectedPages]] results are ordered by namespace, so checking for <syntaxhighlight lang="python" inline>page['ns']</syntaxhighlight> will also help prevent unnecessary iterations. [[User:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|<span class="skin-invert" style="color:black;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:110%;font-weight:normal;line-height:normal">NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh</span>]] 19:54, 4 April 2026 (UTC) :::@[[User:Amire80|Amire80]], [[User:Koavf|Koavf]], and [[User:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh]]: Is a Wikidata BRFA in order at this time? [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 05:03, 4 April 2026 (UTC) ::::{{ping|JJPMaster}} Go ahead, please. [[User:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|<span class="skin-invert" style="color:black;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:110%;font-weight:normal;line-height:normal">NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh</span>]] 05:25, 4 April 2026 (UTC) :::::See [[d:Wikidata:Requests for permissions/Bot/JJPMaster (bot)]]. [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 18:00, 4 April 2026 (UTC) == Wikifunctions & Abstract Wikipedia Newsletter #242 is out: Request for Discussion: Syntactic tables == There is [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-04-02|a new update]] for Abstract Wikipedia and Wikifunctions. Please, come and read it! In this issue, we introduce a proposal for Natural Language Generation, we introduce a page for function suggestions from Abstract Wikipedia, we inform you that there will be a presentation about Abstract Wikipedia at WikiCon Australia, and we take a look at the latest software developments. Want to catch up with the previous updates? Check [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates|our archive]]! Also, we remind you that if you have questions or ideas to discuss, the next '''Volunteers' Corner''' will be held on '''[https://zonestamp.toolforge.org/1776101400 April 13, at 17:30 UTC]''' ([https://meet.google.com/xuy-njxh-rkw link to the meeting]). Enjoy the reading! -- [[User:Sannita (WMF)|User:Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 13:37, 3 April 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Sannita (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Wikifunctions_%26_Abstract_Wikipedia&oldid=30325620 --> == Way to specify population == Hi! I was wondering if there was a function to specify the population of a place, possibly resembling the following: :N X live in Y. N would be the population size, X would be what comprises the population (e.g., humans, frogs, etc.), and Y would be the location. [[User:Babelball|Babelball]] ([[User talk:Babelball|talk]]) 15:43, 3 April 2026 (UTC) :I don't believe we do. Thinking about it now, we should probably have a page where users can request linguistic functions in a more viable format than [[f:WF:Suggest a function]]. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 02:39, 11 April 2026 (UTC) == The problem of when "X is a Y" and Y is a phrase == Consider [[Q486972]], whose second sentence is supposed to be "A human settlement is a populated place," generated using the "Article-ful instantiating fragment" function. However, it fails, because the implementation [[f:Z23414|Z23414]] inherently checks for a lexeme linked to the superclass ("[[D:Q123964505|populated place]]"). However, since "populated place" is a phrase whose meaning is reducible to the sum of its parts, there is no lexeme for it. Therefore, it's virtually impossible to say "An X is a Y" where Y is a non-idiomatic phrase. Additionally, languages with grammatical gender are rendered particularly problematic. Consider [[Q6636]]. The first sentence of this article renders perfectly fine in English: "Homosexuality is a sexual orientation." However, it does not render at all in Spanish. That's because that language's NLG functions use lexicographic data to determine the gender of the phrase "sexual orientation." As there are no such data available for that phrase, it errors out. I did think about using [[f:Z29743|Z29743]] (description of class with adjective and superclass) instead, but that didn't work, since there's no item linked to the adjective "sexual"! Any ideas for how to avoid this? [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 00:21, 4 April 2026 (UTC) :We'd the co-operation of Wikidata contributors here, I think. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 02:37, 11 April 2026 (UTC) == I made a desktop app that helps with editing == [[file:Abstract Wikipedia Editor v4.1.0.png|thumb|alt=screenshot|now there's a screenshot available]] I made a desktop app that helps with creating and editing Abstract Wikipedia pages. It pulls data from wikidata to form templates that it makes into wikitext, and it can round-trip articles into and from the wikitext. Here it is [[User:Immanuelle/Abstract Wikipedia Editor]]. I hope that it helps with editing. — [[user:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[user talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 00:51, 6 April 2026 (UTC) : I've created [[Abstract Wikipedia:Tools]] for tracking these things. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 14:44, 7 April 2026 (UTC) : @[[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] But the main namespace is not for wikitext. Are you publishing this content there anyway? <span style="color:#EAA">♥</span>[[User:Ainali|Ainali]] <small>^{[[User talk:Ainali|discussion]]}_{[[Special:Contributions/Ainali|contributions]]}</small> 15:05, 7 April 2026 (UTC) :: It's not actual wikitext. It's a custom template syntax that's kind of like wikitext, which gets converted into abstract content when you press "Push to Abstract Wikipedia." [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 16:57, 7 April 2026 (UTC) ::: @[[User:Ainali|Ainali]]@[[User:JJPMaster|JJPMaster]] if you have syntax suggestions I am interested. I was in a rush with implementing this, and I want to in the future implement aliases for wikifunctions and possibly items, so that you can type things out yourself. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 19:53, 7 April 2026 (UTC) ::: Ah, I see. IT was just the announcement that was ambiguous then. <span style="color:#EAA">♥</span>[[User:Ainali|Ainali]] <small>^{[[User talk:Ainali|discussion]]}_{[[Special:Contributions/Ainali|contributions]]}</small> 20:03, 7 April 2026 (UTC) : FYI anything made by a clanker AI robot is not "made by you." Thank you for your attention to this matter. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 15:18, 7 April 2026 (UTC) :: Who, then? [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 20:16, 7 April 2026 (UTC) ::: The clanker AI robot. [[User:Babelball|Babelball]] ([[User talk:Babelball|talk]]) 16:42, 8 April 2026 (UTC) :::: I edited the Wikidata page for the tool to mention Claude. [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 21:35, 8 April 2026 (UTC) ::::: FYI that LLM-generated code is not eligible for copyright, and therefore the MIT license by extension. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 17:59, 9 April 2026 (UTC) :::::: I think the statements that Wikidata could make are limited by what references can be found. [https://docs.github.com/en/repositories/managing-your-repositorys-settings-and-features/customizing-your-repository/licensing-a-repository This help page] makes it sound as if there are limited options for expressing a repo's licensing situation, so I am not surprised that MIT should be the blanket release, even if strictly speaking some of the code contained within is ineligible for copyright, or infringes on an existing copyright (which would need to be demonstrated). But I suppose [https://cpomagazine.com/cyber-security/taking-stock-of-the-anthropic-source-code-leak-ai-agent-compromise-signals-security-issues-claude-copies-ahead-of-massive-ipo turnabout] is fair play? — [[user:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[user talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 19:53, 9 April 2026 (UTC) ::::::: @[[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] I like the idea of the wikidata content being restricted based on sources provided. I will try to implement something like this in the next release. Any ideas of which particular statements are useful and should be imported more readily? [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 20:28, 9 April 2026 (UTC) :::::::: I meant in [[d:Q138963952|the Wikidata item]] ''for'' AWE, but in general I think our articles should incorporate references early on, since even abstract content needs justification. [[d:help:sources#Language-independent general principles|This help page]] may be handy; '[[d:property:P3680|statement supported by]]' could be useful for linking to biographical articles in the manner "According to [source], [claim]" (obviously adjusted to the relevant language structures in each language for saying such things). — [[user:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[user talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 20:42, 9 April 2026 (UTC) :::::::::@[[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] oh that makes sense. But as for the wikidata sources, actually providing the sources is something that is trivially easy as far as accessing wikidata is concerned, but I am not sure how to give sources for claims in wikilambdas. Do you know how? [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 20:44, 9 April 2026 (UTC) ::::::::::I don't. Currently the distinction between content and format is unclear to me. [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 21:48, 9 April 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::@[[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] what do you mean by content vs format? [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 21:52, 9 April 2026 (UTC) ::::::::::::In the most 'abstract' sense, an article would have as irreducible parts semantic content only (from Wikidata), with syntax handled by the group of functions responsible for getting things looking right in a given target language. In practice, the overall structuring of the article largely defines or limits the syntactic structures of language produced. This is sensible for an encyclopedia which has a fairly conventional or constrained sort of prose. Of course, a web encyclopedia needs more than prose. Hence the functions for making links and formatting text (right now directly to HTML, bypassing wikitext). Although this is a MediaWiki installation, no article has had media content added to it yet, since the formatting functions that would enable that aren't in place. So I would say that content and formatting are entangled, currently. A reference could be considered either: the text that provides the sourcing of a statement, or the formatting that enables this semantic content to read as a reference, perhaps inline or as a footnote, end note, or marginal note. [[f:WF:type proposals#Representing abstract content]] has a couple RfCs about this. — [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 01:45, 10 April 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::Yeah I am very confused about what the intention of Abstract Wikipedia is and how much it lines up with the reality. I had thought that the articles would be mostly directly generated from wikidata. :::::::::::::Only particular direction I see clearly is that I think we need articles on all of these pages [[d:Wikidata:List of articles that Abstract Wikipedia should have]] since they will likely bring a lot of traffic to the site and since they have a lot of information, people will have a lot of reason to come to this site and come up with new ways of expressing things on the pages. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 04:06, 10 April 2026 (UTC) ::::::::::::::I am however really liking section headers like the one here [[Q12539]] and I am going to include them in the next release [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 04:13, 10 April 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::::Yes I think that adding sections to articles might be really the first part of the journey towards actually having somewhat readable articles. Although a lot of this is dependent on the article text actually rendering at all [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 04:21, 10 April 2026 (UTC) ::::::::::::::::Yeah I think I am getting the hang of things. Adding sections and paragraph breaks to the new versions. Denoted by ::::::::::::::::<nowiki>{{p}}</nowiki> ::::::::::::::::for a paragraph break ::::::::::::::::and ::::::::::::::::==QID== ::::::::::::::::for a subheading ::::::::::::::::All content is now generated within paragraphs, and the <nowiki>{{p}}</nowiki> splits the paragraphs up. Feeglgeef mentioned that the paragraphs are a significant accessibility feature, and the paragraphs are also easier to insert with the methods of the app. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 04:36, 10 April 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::::::I am also implementing "it" to avoid repeating the name of the article constantly, and I am implementing citation preservation on certain things.Meanwhile also trying to fix the accessibility issue that was criticized. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 05:25, 10 April 2026 (UTC) ::::::::::::::::::New release is out [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 07:42, 10 April 2026 (UTC) ::::::::::::::::::I would suggest not to use [[d:Q6091500]] at the moment. In some languages, there might be multiple words for different uses of "it". If you are editing with only the English logic, it won't help build a multilingual wiki. [[User:Sun8908|Sun8908]] ([[User talk:Sun8908|talk]]) 17:42, 11 April 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::::::::@[[User:Sun8908|Sun8908]] fair. I had thought it would be dropped in pro-drop languages but I do not think that was a reasonable assumption. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 19:47, 11 April 2026 (UTC) ::::::::::::::::::::I asked at the Monday meeting. Not sure if anything is being done about it though. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 20:15, 15 April 2026 (UTC) :Nice work. I for one don't care how you made the tool, the important part to me is how it works and if it helps me/us edit AW. [[User:So9q|So9q]] ([[User talk:So9q|talk]]) 20:23, 11 April 2026 (UTC) :[[File:AWE split paragraphs.png|thumb|Article on wheat]] {{ping|Immanuelle}} your tool is back at it again! I've asked you to test it before you use it to create a bunch of articles twice now. You, evidently, haven't listened! I understand you're probably acting in good faith, but you ''have'' to test your tool before you unleash it on the wiki. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 01:38, 18 April 2026 (UTC) ::No, I did listen. I am not sure what your objection is, but this looks like intended behaviour. I was asked to make every single sentence into its own paragraph to make it easier to debug maintaining accessibility. Previous the tool grouped many sentences into a single paragraph. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 02:49, 18 April 2026 (UTC) :::@[[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]]: You were asked to make each actual paragraph into a call of the "paragraph" function. You were not asked to make every individual sentence a paragraph. That is probably even less accessible than what we started with. [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 03:06, 18 April 2026 (UTC) ::::The content itself needs refining. As it is, most articles have no value-added over the Wikidata triples plus labels; basically just slight readability improvements. We require complex structures sooner rather than later. [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 03:08, 18 April 2026 (UTC) ::::I thought that the rule was that we put every single sentence into a paragraph of its own because text readers need a paragraph to read the text. We cannot debug things if there are multiple sentences within a paragraph, because these sentences go up to the top and make it so that the paragraph itself fails to render. ::::So this was specifically an accessibility concern for people who are visually impaired, with an accepted reduction in readability for people with regular vision so that it can also be debugged. ::::Like this: ::::"What we might try is wrapping each sentence as a paragraph, with occasional pairing of closely related sentences. That keeps failure isolated while preserving at least some natural flow. ::::We could consider also implementing a “sentence” or “content unit” function that simply calls “paragraph”, so we can later tell where the intended paragraphs are." [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 04:11, 18 April 2026 (UTC) :::::We need to import the quote template [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 04:12, 18 April 2026 (UTC) :Does anybody want any other changes to be made to this tool? Things are still relatively up in the air about what an optimum article even is, and as a result it kind of makes us limited in what we can do with it. I'm changing the way that the paragraphs work to fit what I now perceive as the consensus. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 18:11, 18 April 2026 (UTC) : I tried to run it on macOS 14.5, but it errored out when I clicked "Pull from Wikidata." It appears that this was because you hardcoded your Python path. <code>Error: Error invoking remote method 'generate-wikitext': Error: spawn C:/Users/Immanuelle/AppData/Local/Programs/Python/Python313/python.exe ENOENT</code> — [[user:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[user talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[special:contribs/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 11:56, 6 April 2026 (UTC) :: For the record, the solution is to go into <code>src/main.ts</code> and change the Python path to something other than <code>C:/Users/Immanuelle/...</code> — [[user:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[user talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[special:contribs/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 12:05, 6 April 2026 (UTC) : TYSM!! I did have to debug the code a little first to get it working, but this will be so helpful for me. — [[user:ChaoticVermillion|<span style="color: orangered">Chaotic</span><span style="color: crimson">Vermillion</span>]] ([[user talk:ChaoticVermillion|converse]], [[special:contribs/ChaoticVermillion|contribs]]) 11:59, 6 April 2026 (UTC) :: I am so sorry and I fixed it so the new release should avoid that problem in the future. — [[user:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[user talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 17:55, 6 April 2026 (UTC) ::: @[[User:ChaoticVermillion|ChaoticVermillion]] btw there is an update that has a lot more functions and I am not sure if you are using it. The new one allows you to undo edits or restore revisions. Something that I cannot figure out how to do in regular Abstract Wikipedia. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 17:55, 8 April 2026 (UTC) == Wikiprojects == Are there wiki projects here? Can I just make some in this namespace? [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 15:12, 10 April 2026 (UTC) :I don't see why not. It's a wiki, after all :). Please just don't flood the talkspace with templates that don't exist. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 16:51, 10 April 2026 (UTC) ::I've created a first Wikiproject ([[Abstract Wikipedia:WikiProject Core articles]]) and an explainer page ([[Abstract Wikipedia:WikiProject]]). [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 17:11, 10 April 2026 (UTC) :::I made this one too [[Abstract Wikipedia:WikiProject Quality Prose]] [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 18:39, 10 April 2026 (UTC) ::{{ping|Feeglgeef}} Are WikiProjects for specific languages OK? Responsibility seems to be stretched between maintaining Wikidata labels and lexemes alongside creating and maintaining functions on Wikifunctions, so I'm unsure if Abstract Wikipedia would be considered a good place to coordinate these things. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 21:56, 20 April 2026 (UTC) :::There's no community consensus for or against, so, since this is a wiki, I don't see any reason why anyone would stop you :). [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 23:46, 20 April 2026 (UTC) == Wikifunctions & Abstract Wikipedia Newsletter #243 is out: Community proposals for capturing meaning == There is [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-04-10|a new update]] for Abstract Wikipedia and Wikifunctions. Please, come and read it! In this issue, we report on three community proposals on syntactic approaches, we introduce a new Type (Complex numbers), we report on current hiccups on Abstract Wikipedia, we share more information about a presentation about Abstract Wikipedia at WikiCon Australia, and we take a look at the latest software developments. Want to catch up with the previous updates? Check [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates|our archive]]! Also, we remind you that if you have questions or ideas to discuss, the next '''Volunteers' Corner''' will be held on '''[https://zonestamp.toolforge.org/1776101400 April 13, at 17:30 UTC]''' ([https://meet.google.com/xuy-njxh-rkw link to the meeting]). Enjoy the reading! -- [[User:Sannita (WMF)|User:Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 15:35, 10 April 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Sannita (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Wikifunctions_%26_Abstract_Wikipedia&oldid=30325620 --> == Numerous errors have been introduced, possibly due to the "AWE" tool == As [[User:Fram|Fram]] has [[w:Wikipedia:Village_pump_(WMF)#c-Fram-20260410163000-Fram-20260408131600|pointed out]] over on the English Wikipedia in his usual style, [[User:Immanuelle]] has been breaking pages such as [[Q711]] with edits such as [[Special:Diff/4383]]. I was able to [[Special:Diff/4415|fix this]] by changing "it" to Wikidata item reference in "defining role sentence". @[[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]]: Judging by your edit history, you have introduced this error to a lot of pages. Before continuing with your work to make the rest of the articles from your list, [[d:Wikidata:List of articles that Abstract Wikipedia should have]], I kindly ask you to fix the pages you've already made. [[User:Warudo|Warudo]] ([[User talk:Warudo|talk]]) 17:16, 10 April 2026 (UTC) :This is, of course, what happens when you use a slop-machine to write code. See existing discussion on [[User talk:Immanuelle/Abstract Wikipedia Editor#Creates inaccessible content]]. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 17:19, 10 April 2026 (UTC) ::@[[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] I thought you wanted everything nested in the paragraph things. That's why I did that, following your request that you linked to. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 17:45, 10 April 2026 (UTC) :::I know. In the future, can you test whatever the slop-machine gives you ''on-wiki'' to ensure you don't mass-vandalize it again? Thank you! [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 17:52, 10 April 2026 (UTC) ::::@[[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] the problem I faced is that I do not know how to actually understand error messages on this wiki. When every page fails to render, it is very difficult to know if I introduced an error, or the program introduced an error. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 18:18, 10 April 2026 (UTC) :::::@[[User:Warudo|Warudo]] I guess my question for you would be how did you figure out that this was an error on the page? [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 18:19, 10 April 2026 (UTC) ::::::That's a fair question. The way things are now you can't be sure if the error is because of technical issues with the site or a bad page. In this case it was rather easy though. The "dependency" parameter of [[f:Z28016]] expects a reference to a Wikidata item but you passed the string "it" to it. That is an obvious mistake so it was easy to tell that it's not a random error. [[User:Warudo|Warudo]] ([[User talk:Warudo|talk]]) 19:23, 10 April 2026 (UTC) :::::::That makes sense. I will try to be a lot more careful with error detection in the future. Hopefully the technical issues with the site are fixed and I can see the content issues more soon [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 20:08, 10 April 2026 (UTC) ::::I suggest that “vandalize” is an inappropriate choice of word in this case. Whatever your feelings about the quality of the code or the care with which it is being deployed, I think you could manage to assume good faith on the part of a fellow contributor. Thank you. ::::At a technical level, there is an issue with simply bracketing multiple calls together to yield a paragraph, since a failure in any one call will lead to the loss of the whole paragraph. In [[:f:Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-03-26]], the advice given was: ::::::“By the way, here’s one tip: currently, caching for Abstract Wikipedia happens on the level of the “fragment”. This means that by putting several sentences into a single paragraph, the paragraph as a whole is being run, may cause time-outs, and will be cached. Instead, if, for now, you put one sentence into each fragment, caching and evaluation can be more spread out and should allow for more content.” ::::[[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 19:00, 10 April 2026 (UTC) :::::@[[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] would you suggest removing the paragraph by default behavior in the editor over this? [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 19:50, 10 April 2026 (UTC) ::::::What we might try is wrapping each sentence as a paragraph, with occasional pairing of closely related sentences. That keeps failure isolated while preserving at least some natural flow. ::::::We could consider also implementing a “sentence” or “content unit” function that simply calls “paragraph”, so we can later tell where the intended paragraphs are. [[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 21:23, 10 April 2026 (UTC) :::::::This is not accessible for users with screen-readers, and thus not a viable work-around. Each paragraph must be in a paragraph tag. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 22:31, 10 April 2026 (UTC) ::::::::It’s sub-optimal, I agree, but every unit of meaning would be wrapped in p tags, which is more accessible than a series of bare fragments or failed function calls. [[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 17:07, 11 April 2026 (UTC) :::::::::If you do need to make inaccessible articles, please at least give them a category on the talk page. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 21:21, 11 April 2026 (UTC) ::::::::::We’d need to agree an accessibility standard first, but I’m not planning on creating any articles until there are suitable functions available. [[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 22:36, 11 April 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::I agree. Accessibility standards need to be established and not just assumed. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 23:28, 11 April 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::I definitely do agree that we need accessibility standards, but this isn't really a nice-to-have that you debate about but rather the floor. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 00:27, 12 April 2026 (UTC) ::::::::::::I took this thread as consensus that we need to have every sentence as its own paragraph. Is that incorrect? Do people want me to change it back to one paragraph per paragraph break? I removed that one because it covered up errors. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 04:21, 18 April 2026 (UTC) :::::When someone "vandalizes" it is not necessarily intentional, see [[wikt:vandalise]]. I do understand that Immanuelle has good faith, but at the same time, the "deployment" caused tens of articles to be broken, and furthermore I don't suspect something this bad would have slipped through had a human carefully reviewed the code. When a contributor deploys a semi-automated tool and uses it to make edits at the rate {{ping|Immanuelle}} was at this rate, you are morally obligated to test it. This wasn't the first time the slop-machine that they used caused them to mess up tens of articles, and if Immanuelle doesn't exercise extreme care in the future, I don't suspect it will be the last. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 22:25, 10 April 2026 (UTC) ::::::It was a silent error that was only discovered by chance. What kind of testing would you have done to avoid this? [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 22:37, 10 April 2026 (UTC) ::::::@[[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]]": On Wikipedia, "[[:en:WP:VAND|Vandalism]]" is a technical term that means "editing (or other behavior) '''''deliberately''' intended to [[:en:Wikipedia:DE|obstruct or defeat]] the [[:en:Wikipedia:Five_pillars|project's purpose]]''". Accidental disruptive editing is not considered vandalism. [[User:Warudo|Warudo]] ([[User talk:Warudo|talk]]) 22:52, 10 April 2026 (UTC) :::::::@[[User:Warudo|Warudo]] on the topic of this glitch. I think I have removed it from all pages that had it. Please tell me if there are more that you see. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 23:29, 10 April 2026 (UTC) ::::::::Thanks for cleaning up :) [[User:So9q|So9q]] ([[User talk:So9q|talk]]) 20:29, 11 April 2026 (UTC) :::::::This isn't the English Wikipedia, or even a wikipedia at all, despite the domain. Unless a defined technical term related to Wikifunctions I'd consider words to have their natural language meaning. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 01:28, 11 April 2026 (UTC) ::::::::@[[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]]: Last time I checked, this was the Abstract ''Wikipedia''. But in any case, this is the definition provided in [[f:Wikifunctions:Vandalism|Wikifunctions]] as well as [[meta:meta:Vandalism|meta]]. Vandalism has to be deliberate. [[User:Warudo|Warudo]] ([[User talk:Warudo|talk]]) 08:50, 11 April 2026 (UTC) :::::::::It's not ''the'' Abstract Wikipedia like ''the'' English Wikipedia, but just Abstract Wikipedia. It isn't a Wikipedia in and of itself (as in, it's not supposed to be viewed by end readers), but rather a tool for Wikipedias. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 15:33, 11 April 2026 (UTC) ::::::::::It still has an independent editing community. Just because it draws from Wikidata and Wikifunctions doesn't mean content decisions aren't made here; it necessarily has to have some autonomy just like any language edition. [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 19:18, 11 April 2026 (UTC) :::::::::“Deliberately” is also the first word of section 3.3 of our Code of Conduct, linked at the foot of every page. [[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 17:11, 11 April 2026 (UTC) :::::+1 Please assume good faith and keep it civil. [[User:So9q|So9q]] ([[User talk:So9q|talk]]) 20:27, 11 April 2026 (UTC) :@[[User:Warudo|Warudo]] will hold off on page creation [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 17:43, 10 April 2026 (UTC) :Just a note @[[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]], the project is a Beta version, so, in my opinion, it's not a good idea to flood it with a large number of [{{fullurl:Special:Contributions|target=Immanuelle&namespace=0&newOnly=1&limit=250&end=2026-04-10}} article stubs]. Additionally, the natural language functions are still limited.--[[User:Mdktb|Mdktb]] ([[User talk:Mdktb|talk]]) 18:58, 10 April 2026 (UTC) ::@[[User:Mdktb|Mdktb]] okay that is a good point. I think I was confused since I thought that we were more on the trying to get new users stage. I will stick to fixing up my errors and only making pages on things that I have a lot of stuff to say on. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 19:20, 10 April 2026 (UTC) :::@[[User:Mdktb|Mdktb]] and here is a wikiproject I made and tagged some pages with that is specifically related to developing more natural language [[Abstract Wikipedia:WikiProject Quality Prose]] [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 19:27, 10 April 2026 (UTC) ::Would you be willing to raise this in the project chat? I'm thinking we are in an experimentation state that will keep improving incrementally just like the first edition of Wikipedia did since January 15, 2001. Just like back then I don't think it's a good idea to arbitrarily limit good faith editing. We probably will have to revisit these articles later as more and better functions become available but that in itself is not a valid argument for refraining from edits. [[User:So9q|So9q]] ([[User talk:So9q|talk]]) 20:36, 11 April 2026 (UTC) :::Already here ;) [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 21:05, 11 April 2026 (UTC) ::I agree with your stub-flooding comment, I don't think it's particularly useful to have a bunch of articles that say nothing. The concern right now should be testing. I expect that the way in which we write abstract articles will change drastically eventually, so writing hundreds of articles is not only a waste of time but a debt. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 21:07, 11 April 2026 (UTC) :::We can always use [[Special:AncientPages]] to find them later on. :::My expectation is that things will change, but we’ll be able to change the articles. They aren’t set in stone. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 03:21, 18 April 2026 (UTC) :The error in question was that "it" ended up getting into the jsons as a string instead of the id for "it". This occurred due to an error with the program with function aliasing, functions and items can have aliases that are used to be human readable, and replaced with their codes during insertion. But apparently when you try to insert a nonexistent alias then it just inserts the text and there is no server side validation at all of edits. :My guess is that basically they do not have an api since they have no server side validation and were relying on solely client side, and did not anticipate someone building such a tool that accidentally bypassed client side validation through a cache injection which was motivated by UX purposes :I plan on attending the Monday volunteer meeting and asking about this issue. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 22:45, 10 April 2026 (UTC) ::> But apparently when you try to insert a nonexistent alias then it just inserts the text and there is no server side validation at all of edits. ::This sounds like a bug. Would you be willing to create a ticket in phab with details? [[User:So9q|So9q]] ([[User talk:So9q|talk]]) 20:38, 11 April 2026 (UTC) :::The team has already declined (or indicated that they had no plans) to do validation in this form, so I don't think a new ticket would be ideal. Either way, this shouldn't affect anyone besides those using a headless browser (or anyone using good, human-reviewed code and a headless browser), so I don't think it would be a priority anyway. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 21:19, 11 April 2026 (UTC) ::::Not sure what you are talking about. At the meeting they did not seem to be opposed to doing server side validation. They just said that they had a bit of concerns about infrastructure that was stopping it as an immediate thing. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 20:14, 15 April 2026 (UTC) :::::The volunteer's corner? I unfortunately missed that, but it was more than a year ago that I believe they decided not to pursue it, so you're probably right. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 13:46, 16 April 2026 (UTC) :So I have resolved this issue, as I have resolved most of the issues that people brought up. The whole paragraph debate is something I am returning to the older version of. Does anybody want other changes to the way that it makes articles? [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 18:09, 18 April 2026 (UTC) == Sandbox page == The previous discussion about bot-created pages does raise a question: is it possible to have sandbox pages here? As far as I can tell, one can only create pages in the main namespace, and it has to be one page per Wikidata item. So there's no good place to experiment. Or am I missing something? The only other thing I can think of is to write the whole abstract article (or a part of it) as a function with a composition implementation on Wikifunctions and then to call it from a user-space sandbox page here. That, however, doesn't actually seem to work: [[User:Amire80/sandbox|I've just tried to call a function from my user space]], and I just see "⏳ Function is being called…". That is possibly a bug that can be fixed (maybe [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T422299 T422299]?), but even if it's fixed, it doesn't look like the best user experience. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 18:48, 10 April 2026 (UTC) :[[phab:T421417]] [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 18:52, 10 April 2026 (UTC) ::For now [[Q3938]] can be used for test edits . [[User:ChaoticVermillion|<span style="color: orangered">Chaotic</span><span style="color: crimson">Vermillion</span>]] ([[User talk:ChaoticVermillion|converse]], [[Special:Contributions/ChaoticVermillion|contribs]]) 02:06, 11 April 2026 (UTC) :We have [[Q138864867]]. [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 23:30, 11 April 2026 (UTC) == I propose Q10693 for featured article == I think [[Q10693]] is the best article here. Can I propose it for [[Abstract Wikipedia:Featured article]] [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 22:24, 10 April 2026 (UTC) :We'd to come to a consensus on criteria first before we nominate anything. Anyway, the talk page of [[Abstract Wikipedia:Featured article]] would be a better place to decide this, not ''everything'' belongs on the project chat. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 02:36, 11 April 2026 (UTC) == REST API for editing? == Hi, does anyone know if there is a ticket in phab for a public API endpoint that allows editing of AW content? It would be very useful to improve tooling and content. [[User:So9q|So9q]] ([[User talk:So9q|talk]]) 20:41, 11 April 2026 (UTC) :I don't believe so. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 21:03, 11 April 2026 (UTC) :I do not know why there isn't a REST API, but I had to [[Abstract Wikipedia:Project chat#I made a desktop app that helps with editing|specifically work around it with my editing tool]]. It will be very nice in the future to have a REST API. :I think that right now there isn't actually any server-side verification of whether an article is well-structured, and that might be the reason why there isn't a REST API yet. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 23:46, 11 April 2026 (UTC) ::What rest api are you talking about? Checkout [[Special:RestSandbox]]. [[User:Tanbiruzzaman|Tanbiruzzaman]] ([[User talk:Tanbiruzzaman|talk]]) 16:50, 12 April 2026 (UTC) :I would like to proudly announce that it can be done. See [[Special:Diff/6102]]. Here was my request: :<syntaxhighlight lang="json">{ "source": "{\"qid\":\"Q100000\",\"sections\":{\"Q8776414\":{\"index\":0,\"fragments\":[\"Z89\"]}}}", "title": "Q100000", "comment": "Hello from MediaWiki REST API", "content_model": "abstractwiki", "token": "[token]" } </syntaxhighlight> [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 04:43, 20 April 2026 (UTC) == Spaces between sentences == In abstract articles with two sentences or more, I usually see two spaces between the sentences. Why two? I usually write one space, and that's probably what most people do in English. I know that some people write two; I don't like it myself, but this practice does exist. But here, it raises a few more nuanced questions: # Where is it actually defined that there are supposed to be ''any'' spaces between the sentences? I might be wrong, but it probably comes from the extension code and not from the functions. # Can this be customized per language? I don't know all the rules for all the languages, but I strongly suspect that some languages use spaces between sentences differently, and no default is good for all the languages. I'd especially check if it's good for Thai, Burmese, Japanese, and Chinese. # When I examine the HTML code of the rendered sentences, each of them is a <code><nowiki><div></nowiki></code>. It's a bit odd—I'd expect <code><nowiki><span></nowiki></code> there. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 21:07, 14 April 2026 (UTC) :Can you give an example article, please? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 14:01, 15 April 2026 (UTC) ::[[Q833]], [[Q11361384]], and probably every other abstract article whose rendered English text has more than sentence. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 14:34, 15 April 2026 (UTC) :::No, not every single one (see [[Q333]]), but most of them. This has happened because Denny promoted separating sentences into individual fragments and Immanuel used an AI slop-machine to create an editing tool. Essentially, they're being treated as separate elements (like how one paragraph is different from a section heading), so the UI adds a space. This, of course, should not be done, because it breaks screen-readers and looks weird, but apparently everyone is just OK with it. Like a thousand articles have been created by the afforementioned slop-generated tool (because the person who oversaw the bot that created it seems to care more about quantity than quality), whereas I've only created three myself (because I care more about quality and shaping the direction of the wiki in preparation for when abstract content becomes actually viable). [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 15:02, 15 April 2026 (UTC) ::::If I understand correctly, [[Q333]] has one fragment, which is one function call, which in turn creates two sentences and joins them using a hardcoded space. If each sentence was created using a separate fragment, they would probably appear with two spaces in practice. Neither option is very good. ::::The mass creation of abstract articles using that tool is probably not really related to this. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 15:52, 15 April 2026 (UTC) :::::No, one of them is objectively wrong and one of them is correct. You're not ''supposed'' to split two sentences into two fragments. That's the point. The mass creation of articles using that tool ''is'' related, because it's responsible for the proliferation of articles that follow the wrong one. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 17:36, 15 April 2026 (UTC) ::::::Why not split sentences into fragments? I can easily imagine some functions that produce several sentences, but it's not universal. ::::::And why is it ''correct'' to join sentences using a hardcoded space? Joining sentences shouldn't be done using a hardcoded space, but with a generic "join sentences" function, which will be one space for many languages, but probably not for all of them. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 17:55, 15 April 2026 (UTC) :::::::Yes, not having to hardcode is the eventual goal. Splitting sentences into fragments is bad because it adds extra spacing (this is a feature, and a good one!), because it's bad for screen-readers, and because it would be impossible to distinguish between paragraphs, the article would just be a collection of sentences. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 18:03, 15 April 2026 (UTC) ::::::::I still don't understand why splitting into fragments is bad. What is good about extra spacing? It looks like a bad feature, not a good one. It sounds like a rendering and presentation issue, not a logical issue. Fragments can be inline, and the inline ones should be <code><nowiki><span></nowiki></code>s, not <code><nowiki><div></nowiki></code>s. And there should also be an option for <code><nowiki><div></nowiki></code> fragments. And maybe some others. Forcing every fragment to be a <code><nowiki><div></nowiki></code> sounds like a bad feature. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 18:46, 15 April 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Again, the spacing is good because the correct reason to split is to create two separate paragraphs. Even if the spacing ''was'' removed, it would still not work for screen-readers, and blocking out blind people when the mission is to spread knowledge to neglected languages is incredibly ironic. I'm not sure how else I'm supposed to communicate this to you. It's like asking "why is magma so hot! I want to drink magma instead of water, but it's too hot and not refreshing!" [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 19:07, 15 April 2026 (UTC) ::::::::::Maybe I understand what a "fragment" is supposed to be differently. Where is defined what is it supposed to be? [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 20:22, 15 April 2026 (UTC) == Archiving discussions on this page? == We're soon coming up to having a month old messages here, and considering the current length of it and size of the community, perhaps 30 days is a good limit for archiving them. Does anyone know how to get an archive bot running here? <span style="color:#EAA">♥</span>[[User:Ainali|Ainali]] <small>^{[[User talk:Ainali|discussion]]}_{[[Special:Contributions/Ainali|contributions]]}</small> 06:44, 16 April 2026 (UTC) :+1 [[User:So9q|So9q]] ([[User talk:So9q|talk]]) 09:55, 16 April 2026 (UTC) :+1 [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 13:41, 16 April 2026 (UTC) :+1. I think SpBot does archiving on Wikifunctions. Maybe it could be brought here as well? [[User:ChaoticVermillion|<span style="color: orangered">Chaotic</span><span style="color: crimson">Vermillion</span>]] ([[User talk:ChaoticVermillion|converse]], [[Special:Contributions/ChaoticVermillion|contribs]]) 14:18, 16 April 2026 (UTC) :+1 [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 14:24, 16 April 2026 (UTC) == Importing the q template == I really want the <nowiki>{{q}}</nowiki> template here imported from wikidata. It is very helpful with qids. Linking to here instead of wikidata. Might be able to be expanded for lexemes and wikifunctions too. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 14:26, 16 April 2026 (UTC) :I've copied it and its dependencies from Wikifunctions: see {{Q|1}} It may need some tweaking to work well here, because we also use QIDs. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 04:51, 17 April 2026 (UTC) ::Great! I think we need [[Template:Quote]] too [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 04:13, 18 April 2026 (UTC) == Caching issues (hopefully) fixed == Hey all, I know the caching issues have been a real pain for you. I've just now deployed what (I hope) is a fix that works for calls on Wikifunctions.org, fragments here, and embedded Wikifunctions calls. See for example [https://abstract.wikipedia.org/view/en/Q1344227 view/en/Q1344227] which should load fragments near-immediately for you (not need a retry or time out). You'll also see e.g. that https://test.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikifunctions now has "stable" results, not just endless "please wait" comments. That said, please tell me where I'm wrong and you're having issues! Much better to hear now than assume it's fixed and start all over again tomorrow. I appreciate your feedback and patience over this; it has been very generous of you all. Our next work in this area is to make the cache much more scalable and resilient over time, so it's faster and more reliable for you, and cheaper for us to support. Thank you again. [[User:Jdforrester (WMF)|Jdforrester (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Jdforrester (WMF)|talk]]) 14:47, 16 April 2026 (UTC) :Thank you (and the rest of the team) for your efforts for this new wiki! We really appreciate it. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 14:58, 16 April 2026 (UTC) :Wow this is great! Now we can do a lot more verification on whether created pages are working well! Gotta look over a bunch of pages. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 15:20, 16 April 2026 (UTC) ::Yes I tried to fix up a bunch of pages. Many of them actually render properly now. But I did need to change quite a few [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 17:36, 16 April 2026 (UTC) :::Yes, please give your attention to the quality of pages you've already created rather than expanding the quantity. For example, on [[Q153]] I notice that you used Z28016 a lot, but that "defining" should only be used when it is the only instance of that class in that location (which works fine for a capital city), but not e.g. for hydrogen being "the" part of ethanol. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 04:43, 17 April 2026 (UTC) == Importing templates from wikipedias == I think it would be a good idea to set something up so that templates from wikipedia can be represented as wikifunctions. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 14:59, 16 April 2026 (UTC) :Already {{done}} on WF, see [[f:WF:MediaWiki parser functions]]. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 15:08, 16 April 2026 (UTC) == Idea for the project chat == I've been thinking of some ideas that we could implement related to the project chat. I'm not saying I endorse anything, just throwing out an idea. There's been a ''lot'' of activity on here, I'm not sure if this is going to be a permanent thing or if it's just because the wiki just started. If it maintains its activity, we might want to divide it up like the English Wikipedia does, perhaps into "Proposals", "Technical and Wikifunctions", and "Miscellaneous." [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 15:19, 16 April 2026 (UTC) :Simple english wikipedia has almost all discussion happen on its Project chat. I think we should only add nerw things once we really need more chats. Having everything here makes it easier for people to keep up with the news of abstract wikipedia. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 16:31, 16 April 2026 (UTC) ::The place to keep up with news for "abstract [sic] wikipedia [sic]" is the newsletter. I think that separating might actually make it easier to follow the specific discussion that you want, as you can choose which of the three to subscribe to. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 17:58, 16 April 2026 (UTC) ::We should at least have a talk page archiving bot, like [[:en:User:lowercase sigmabot III]]. [[User:EatingCarBatteries|EatingCarBatteries]] ([[User talk:EatingCarBatteries|talk]]) 20:18, 16 April 2026 (UTC) == What to do with Z26955 == There are a lot of articles with [[:f:Z26955|Z26955]] in them, since it has this obvious warning on it, what should we do with existing articles that have it? Just remove it on sight? [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 15:33, 16 April 2026 (UTC) :We should only improve articles by fixing the problems, not by removing them. If you can replace a function by a better one, that’s great. Otherwise, please leave it for now so that we can see what needs fixing. [[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 23:04, 16 April 2026 (UTC) == Representing "part of" == How do I represent that something is part of another thing? I used to use the spo sentence without understanding that it did not work. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 16:30, 16 April 2026 (UTC) :I think [[f:Z32982]] can be used, with the role as [[d:Q1310239]]. [[User:ChaoticVermillion|<span style="color: orangered">Chaotic</span><span style="color: crimson">Vermillion</span>]] ([[User talk:ChaoticVermillion|converse]], [[Special:Contributions/ChaoticVermillion|contribs]]) 18:55, 16 April 2026 (UTC) == Wikifunctions & Abstract Wikipedia Newsletter #244 is out: Milestones; Some major issues hopefully resolved == There is [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-04-16|a new update]] for Abstract Wikipedia and Wikifunctions. Please, come and read it! In this issue, we celebrate 4000 functions on Wikifunctions and 1000 abstract articles on Abstract Wikipedia, we announce that we should have fixed some major issues with the websites, we inform you on our latest outreach activities, and we take a look at the latest software developments. Want to catch up with the previous updates? Check [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates|our archive]]! Enjoy the reading! -- [[User:Sannita (WMF)|User:Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 10:22, 17 April 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Sannita (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Wikifunctions_%26_Abstract_Wikipedia&oldid=30325620 --> == AceWiki: Abstract Wikipedia before Abstract Wikipedia? == For those of you not in the know, ACE is [[w:Attempto Controlled English|Attempto Controlled English]]. This is a special subset of English that, unlike regular English, is entirely grammatically unambiguous and is machine-readable. For example, the sentence "Every person has a cat" is ACE, as a computer could easily parse that into a logical structure of the form "for any person P, P has a cat." Well, I found a semantic wiki software called AceWiki, whose articles are written entirely in Attempto Controlled English (see [https://acewiki.petapico.org/acewikigeo/ AceWikiGEO]). The sentence structures seen in AceWiki articles (while I can't link directly to any article, the article on the United States of America, which can be found in the Index in the sidebar, is a good example) are quite similar to those in our existing abstract articles. Using a tool called [https://github.com/Attempto/ACE-in-GF ACE-in-GF], ACE text could be translated into any language. I've been thinking about the idea of a tool that allows an editor to write Attempto Controlled English text, and have that text turned into an abstract article. As an example: '''ACE''' -- "Every antelope is a mammal." &rarr; '''Abstract content''' -- [[f:Z26627|Classifying a class of nouns (Z26627)]]: [[d:Q25894|antelope (Q25894)]], [[d:Q7377|mammal (Q7377)]] This tool would not be optimized for mass article creation, since it would not include an option to generate articles directly from Wikidata, but I think it could be interesting to see how being able to write abstract articles in natural language might lower the barrier to contributing to this project. Thoughts? [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 01:59, 20 April 2026 (UTC) :I'm not sure how we'd actually do the conversion step. If you'd be willing to attempt to make a prototype I'd love to look at it, but I'm skeptical. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 18:12, 21 April 2026 (UTC) == Help with the news section on main page == Hi all, I would like to have some help in importing [[:f:Template:Main page/News]] here and inserting it in the main page's module. Can someone help me to do it? [[User:Sannita (WMF)|Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 10:26, 20 April 2026 (UTC) :I believe [[Template:Main page/News]] is already set up and visible on the main page, unless you mean importing the history of the WF template over. [[User: Tenshi Hinanawi|Tenshi!]] ([[User talk: Tenshi Hinanawi|Talk page]]) 11:12, 20 April 2026 (UTC) ::Ah, that's great, thanks! [[User:Sannita (WMF)|Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 14:53, 20 April 2026 (UTC) == Layout guidelines? == One thing I'm noticing is that there are a ''lot'' of ways to do the same thing. I'd like to know which is preferred in the simple case of making single-sentence articles that just say what they are. Take [[Q503]] for example. If you look at the edit history of the article, you'll see it went through a few changes: * Initially, it was a [[f:Z14396|''string of monolingual text'']] call wrapped inside of a [[f:Z27868|''string to HTML fragment'']] call. The innermost function got the monolingual text returned from [[f:Z26095|''subject is kind of'']], converted it to a string, and then to a HTML fragment. * Afterwards the two topmost functions were removed until only the ''subject is kind of'' function call remained, and this was wrapped in a call to [[f:Z29749|''monolingual text as HTML with visible language tag'']]. * Finally the ''subject is kind of'' call was placed into a typed list provided as an argument to the [[f:Z32234|''join text-like objects into HTML fragment'']] call, which in turn was made into a proper paragraph rather than a standalone <code>&lt;div&gt;</code> as it was previously. None of these seem like a particularly bad way to approach things, and I have seem all of them in the wild; the first thing I tried I did so as it was the way the first article I stumbled upon chose to render its text. Since [[Abstract Wikipedia:Useful functions for article composition]] only goes over linguistic functions, and doesn't seem to provide any guidance on ''composition'' functions (i.e. building the HTML contents itself, as you have to do in the plain visual editor online), I thought I'd ask here if there is a preferred way to do things, and if it could perhaps be made clearer on the website if so. It is rather bothersome wanting to build e.g. a wikitable, and needing to peruse the available functions on Wikifunctions instead of having an easily-accessible way to see what is generally recommended for the particular circumstance. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 21:36, 20 April 2026 (UTC) :I'm partial to paragraph(join text-like objects into HTML fragment(your sentences)), as not using a paragraph tag is bad for those who use screen readers, and I designed join text-like objects to reduce function calls and therefore speed up the article processing step. The long-term problem with this method is that Japanese and Chinese both do not have spaces between sentences, so I plan to soon create a function that takes a list of text-like objects and then converts it into a paragraph under the correct style of each language. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 23:51, 20 April 2026 (UTC) ::That sounds good, I have grown more fond of that method as well. What you described would be great to have, I have been adding [[f:Z13128]] references inbetween each sentence to counteract the lack of spacing but something that would do this automatically for English while also obeying the sentence rules of other languages it renders in would be very ideal. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 16:33, 21 April 2026 (UTC) ::{{ping|Feeglgeef}} I noticed [[f:Z33068]]. I decided to hack up an implementation of it that aligns with what you said, I don't know if this is what your original intention for the function was and I apologize if I misconstrued it. At the moment, it just runs the ''join text-like objects'' function I mentioned earlier wrapped in a call to ''paragraph'', but adds spaces if the language is not Japanese or Chinese. I'm not sure if, in this scope, a lack of spaces is the only difference between how certain languages arrange their sentences. This also only accounts for the ZObjects for Chinese and Japanese specifically, I think some sort of switch statement or separate configuration object would be better suited for this—not to mention that there are separate natural language objects for the different scripts of Japanese, so those would have to be blanketed under Japanese when considering the language passed in (which I don't want to chain a bunch of ORs to do at the moment). For now, though, it seems to work fine. I added two different test cases and they both pass, and I have also utilized the function on [[Q241691]]. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 03:31, 23 April 2026 (UTC) :::Ah, thank you for implementing that, it looks good to me. I've created a persistent object for storing the languages that don't use spaces, [[f:Z33984]]. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 13:47, 23 April 2026 (UTC) == Wikidata problems == Sorry for posting two questions here in a row. I'll try to make this brief. On the bottom of [[Q247237]] is what ''should'' be a list of albums, but on my end it appears as just "''PLUS''" repeated fourteen times. This seems to occur any time I use [[f:Z13464]] on a list of Wikidata item references... is anyone else seeing this? I'm not sure what I could be doing wrong. Related to this, I wonder if I can avoid needing to explicitly state each of these items? I moved the list to a separately-defined object on Wikifunctions to avoid having to constantly transfer it between websites since I don't think the clipboard works cross-site. Ordinarily, if I were trying to get all Autechre studio albums, I would use Wikidata's SPARQL query feature to do this, by finding every entity whose [[wikidata:P31|P31]] is [[wikidata:Q482994|Q482994]] and whose [[wikidata:P50|P50]] is [[wikidata:Q247237|Q247237]]. This doesn't seem to be doable with Wikifunctions, though, or at least I'm not seeing it... so I don't know how I would do this automatically. We are making articles out of functions here, so I think it would be worthwhile if I tried to future-proof the list using this paradigm. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 16:30, 21 April 2026 (UTC) :On your first question, I've [[f:Z33903|tried to replicate this on WF]] and I cannot, which makes it difficult to solve. :We cannot currently reverse most WD statements, so your use case is not ''currently'' possible, but we are able to access the statements that are ''on'' an item. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 18:10, 21 April 2026 (UTC) ::I'm experiencing the issue again on [[f:Z33997]], it seems. Check the test results of the three-item test, "''programmer''" should not appear twice. I ran into a similar problem earlier in working on the implementation. For the two-item case, using a call to ''[[f:Z13397|get the nth element of a list]]'' on both items (index 1 and 2 respectively) returned the first item twice. I had to use a call to ''[[f:Z811|first element]]'' to fix it. ::Could this be a caching issue, perhaps? That seems likely, because I don't know why else this would be happening. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 16:16, 23 April 2026 (UTC) == What are we called? == If editors of Wikipedia are Wikipedians, editors of Wiktionary are Wiktionaries, editors of Wikivoyage are Wikivoyagers, and editors of Wikiversity are Wikiversitarians, what are we? Abstract Wikipedians? Abstracters? Abstractions? AWians? [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 11:54, 24 April 2026 (UTC) 2eoespubi50guuq6jqxtzgamev8zq1o 4 451 6666 6660 2026-04-23T13:51:03Z Feeglgeef 36 /* Translation administrator */ edit other user's comments to remove duplicated oppose due to template change, cc [[User:Tenshi Hinanawi]] and [[User:ToadetteEdit]] 6666 wikitext text/x-wiki {{shortcut|[[Abstract:PERM]]}} This page is the place to request for permissions. [[Category:Abstract Wikipedia administration]] : ''Add your request to the appropriate section below.'' : ''Archived requests can be found at [[Abstract:Requests for permissions/Archive]].'' == Administrator == == Interface administrator == == Translation administrator == === Translation administrator: [[User:BZPN|BZPN]] === Hi, I'd like to request the TA flag. I'm familiar with how the extension works and have experience translating content into my language across other projects. I'd like to help quickly organize and manage translations (project space) here as the project develops. Thank you, [[User:BZPN|BZPN]] ([[User talk:BZPN|talk]]) 19:38, 12 April 2026 (UTC) * {{comment}} You don’t have similar rights anywhere. Can you prepare a page for translation by following [[:m:Meta:Internationalization guidelines]]?[[User:Tanbiruzzaman|Tanbiruzzaman]] ([[User talk:Tanbiruzzaman|talk]]) 19:44, 12 April 2026 (UTC) *:{{Done}}, please review it [[User:BZPN/Sample|here]] (based on [[Abstract Wikipedia:Useful functions for article composition]]). [[User:BZPN|BZPN]] ([[User talk:BZPN|talk]]) 20:43, 12 April 2026 (UTC) *::I'm also little cautious per the comment by Feeglgeef, it’s indeed your first edit on the wiki is to asking for the rights, and also the account creation log shows that you account was created also the same time. So at least spend some time as a reader, to know how things are working here. Until then I'm also {{Oppose|opposing}} the request. [[User:Tanbiruzzaman|Tanbiruzzaman]] ([[User talk:Tanbiruzzaman|talk]]) 02:33, 13 April 2026 (UTC) :{{oppose}}, and quite strongly, your first edit here was to ask for a user group, which is a massive red flag personally. I'm (at least, relative to others here) skeptical of users that rely solely on their global user rights, but you don't even have anything on that front. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 19:54, 12 April 2026 (UTC) ::Thank you to JJPMaster for the links to their previous conduct, definitely '''Absolutely not and absolutely never'''. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 15:04, 13 April 2026 (UTC) :'''Absolutely not'''. It is a terrible look to make this your first ever edit, especially considering your repeated zero-chance RfAs on Simple English Wikipedia. Furthermore, it is hard for me to overlook [[w:Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:BZPN/LGBT|this]] and [[m:Universal Code of Conduct/Coordinating Committee/Cases/2025/Wikimedia Discord Block (BZPN)|this]]. Perhaps you could show the community that we should trust you in spite of your views, but it is simply impossible to do that with zero prior experience on this project. [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 13:54, 13 April 2026 (UTC) *{{oppose}} Markup is mostly okay, though the list items should be broken up into separate translation units, and the translation units shouldn't be broken up per section. Also, the QIDs should likely be tvars. I'm not opposing because of these. The issues pointed out by others above, as well as [[w:sco:User talk:CiphriusKane#enwiki block|this interaction on sco.wp 2 months ago]] indicate that you shouldn't be trusted with advanced permissions currently. [[User: Tenshi Hinanawi|Tenshi!]] ([[User talk: Tenshi Hinanawi|Talk page]]) 15:33, 13 April 2026 (UTC) *{{oppose}} after reading [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:PermanentLink/1317558320#Proposal:BZPN+site+banned+for+WP:NOTHERE this] and other links above, sorry. [[User:ToadetteEdit|ToadetteEdit]] ([[User talk:ToadetteEdit|talk]]) 16:37, 20 April 2026 (UTC) === Translation administrator: [[User:Sannita (WMF)|Sannita (WMF)]] === Hi, I'm Sannita from the Wikifunctions and Abstract Wikipedia team. I need access as a translation admin here, to help with [[Template:Main page/News]] and potentially the other pages that might require translation. I already have the flag on Meta and Wikifunctions. --[[User:Sannita (WMF)|Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 14:57, 20 April 2026 (UTC) *{{support}} [[User:ToadetteEdit|ToadetteEdit]] ([[User talk:ToadetteEdit|talk]]) 16:34, 20 April 2026 (UTC) :@[[User:Sannita (WMF)|Sannita (WMF)]]: Would this not go through [[wmf:Policy:Wikimedia Foundation Staff Userrights Policy]]? [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 19:04, 20 April 2026 (UTC) * {{s}}.🪶-[[User:Tanbiruzzaman|<span style="font-family:monospace;color:#006400;letter-spacing:1px;">TΛNBIRUZZΛMΛN</span>]] ([[User talk:Tanbiruzzaman|💬]]) 03:23, 21 April 2026 (UTC) == Bureaucrat == == Miscellaneous requests == ==See also== * [[Abstract Wikipedia:User groups]] ** [[Special:ListGroupRights]] for the listing of rights per user group hrsefamz7939l65wc4ezyf8oe21mibt 6667 6666 2026-04-23T13:53:59Z Feeglgeef 36 /* Translation administrator: Sannita (WMF) */ Reply 6667 wikitext text/x-wiki {{shortcut|[[Abstract:PERM]]}} This page is the place to request for permissions. [[Category:Abstract Wikipedia administration]] : ''Add your request to the appropriate section below.'' : ''Archived requests can be found at [[Abstract:Requests for permissions/Archive]].'' == Administrator == == Interface administrator == == Translation administrator == === Translation administrator: [[User:BZPN|BZPN]] === Hi, I'd like to request the TA flag. I'm familiar with how the extension works and have experience translating content into my language across other projects. I'd like to help quickly organize and manage translations (project space) here as the project develops. Thank you, [[User:BZPN|BZPN]] ([[User talk:BZPN|talk]]) 19:38, 12 April 2026 (UTC) * {{comment}} You don’t have similar rights anywhere. Can you prepare a page for translation by following [[:m:Meta:Internationalization guidelines]]?[[User:Tanbiruzzaman|Tanbiruzzaman]] ([[User talk:Tanbiruzzaman|talk]]) 19:44, 12 April 2026 (UTC) *:{{Done}}, please review it [[User:BZPN/Sample|here]] (based on [[Abstract Wikipedia:Useful functions for article composition]]). [[User:BZPN|BZPN]] ([[User talk:BZPN|talk]]) 20:43, 12 April 2026 (UTC) *::I'm also little cautious per the comment by Feeglgeef, it’s indeed your first edit on the wiki is to asking for the rights, and also the account creation log shows that you account was created also the same time. So at least spend some time as a reader, to know how things are working here. Until then I'm also {{Oppose|opposing}} the request. [[User:Tanbiruzzaman|Tanbiruzzaman]] ([[User talk:Tanbiruzzaman|talk]]) 02:33, 13 April 2026 (UTC) :{{oppose}}, and quite strongly, your first edit here was to ask for a user group, which is a massive red flag personally. I'm (at least, relative to others here) skeptical of users that rely solely on their global user rights, but you don't even have anything on that front. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 19:54, 12 April 2026 (UTC) ::Thank you to JJPMaster for the links to their previous conduct, definitely '''Absolutely not and absolutely never'''. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 15:04, 13 April 2026 (UTC) :'''Absolutely not'''. It is a terrible look to make this your first ever edit, especially considering your repeated zero-chance RfAs on Simple English Wikipedia. Furthermore, it is hard for me to overlook [[w:Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:BZPN/LGBT|this]] and [[m:Universal Code of Conduct/Coordinating Committee/Cases/2025/Wikimedia Discord Block (BZPN)|this]]. Perhaps you could show the community that we should trust you in spite of your views, but it is simply impossible to do that with zero prior experience on this project. [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 13:54, 13 April 2026 (UTC) *{{oppose}} Markup is mostly okay, though the list items should be broken up into separate translation units, and the translation units shouldn't be broken up per section. Also, the QIDs should likely be tvars. I'm not opposing because of these. The issues pointed out by others above, as well as [[w:sco:User talk:CiphriusKane#enwiki block|this interaction on sco.wp 2 months ago]] indicate that you shouldn't be trusted with advanced permissions currently. [[User: Tenshi Hinanawi|Tenshi!]] ([[User talk: Tenshi Hinanawi|Talk page]]) 15:33, 13 April 2026 (UTC) *{{oppose}} after reading [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:PermanentLink/1317558320#Proposal:BZPN+site+banned+for+WP:NOTHERE this] and other links above, sorry. [[User:ToadetteEdit|ToadetteEdit]] ([[User talk:ToadetteEdit|talk]]) 16:37, 20 April 2026 (UTC) === Translation administrator: [[User:Sannita (WMF)|Sannita (WMF)]] === Hi, I'm Sannita from the Wikifunctions and Abstract Wikipedia team. I need access as a translation admin here, to help with [[Template:Main page/News]] and potentially the other pages that might require translation. I already have the flag on Meta and Wikifunctions. --[[User:Sannita (WMF)|Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 14:57, 20 April 2026 (UTC) *{{support}} [[User:ToadetteEdit|ToadetteEdit]] ([[User talk:ToadetteEdit|talk]]) 16:34, 20 April 2026 (UTC) :@[[User:Sannita (WMF)|Sannita (WMF)]]: Would this not go through [[wmf:Policy:Wikimedia Foundation Staff Userrights Policy]]? [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 19:04, 20 April 2026 (UTC) * {{s}}.🪶-[[User:Tanbiruzzaman|<span style="font-family:monospace;color:#006400;letter-spacing:1px;">TΛNBIRUZZΛMΛN</span>]] ([[User talk:Tanbiruzzaman|💬]]) 03:23, 21 April 2026 (UTC) :* per JJPMaster I don't think this should go through a community process, but if it does I {{s}}. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 13:53, 23 April 2026 (UTC) == Bureaucrat == == Miscellaneous requests == ==See also== * [[Abstract Wikipedia:User groups]] ** [[Special:ListGroupRights]] for the listing of rights per user group ernnbie3cpsq8b0hv7mmi54ds8r6jll 6668 6667 2026-04-23T13:54:10Z Feeglgeef 36 /* Translation administrator: Sannita (WMF) */ 6668 wikitext text/x-wiki {{shortcut|[[Abstract:PERM]]}} This page is the place to request for permissions. [[Category:Abstract Wikipedia administration]] : ''Add your request to the appropriate section below.'' : ''Archived requests can be found at [[Abstract:Requests for permissions/Archive]].'' == Administrator == == Interface administrator == == Translation administrator == === Translation administrator: [[User:BZPN|BZPN]] === Hi, I'd like to request the TA flag. I'm familiar with how the extension works and have experience translating content into my language across other projects. I'd like to help quickly organize and manage translations (project space) here as the project develops. Thank you, [[User:BZPN|BZPN]] ([[User talk:BZPN|talk]]) 19:38, 12 April 2026 (UTC) * {{comment}} You don’t have similar rights anywhere. Can you prepare a page for translation by following [[:m:Meta:Internationalization guidelines]]?[[User:Tanbiruzzaman|Tanbiruzzaman]] ([[User talk:Tanbiruzzaman|talk]]) 19:44, 12 April 2026 (UTC) *:{{Done}}, please review it [[User:BZPN/Sample|here]] (based on [[Abstract Wikipedia:Useful functions for article composition]]). [[User:BZPN|BZPN]] ([[User talk:BZPN|talk]]) 20:43, 12 April 2026 (UTC) *::I'm also little cautious per the comment by Feeglgeef, it’s indeed your first edit on the wiki is to asking for the rights, and also the account creation log shows that you account was created also the same time. So at least spend some time as a reader, to know how things are working here. Until then I'm also {{Oppose|opposing}} the request. [[User:Tanbiruzzaman|Tanbiruzzaman]] ([[User talk:Tanbiruzzaman|talk]]) 02:33, 13 April 2026 (UTC) :{{oppose}}, and quite strongly, your first edit here was to ask for a user group, which is a massive red flag personally. I'm (at least, relative to others here) skeptical of users that rely solely on their global user rights, but you don't even have anything on that front. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 19:54, 12 April 2026 (UTC) ::Thank you to JJPMaster for the links to their previous conduct, definitely '''Absolutely not and absolutely never'''. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 15:04, 13 April 2026 (UTC) :'''Absolutely not'''. It is a terrible look to make this your first ever edit, especially considering your repeated zero-chance RfAs on Simple English Wikipedia. Furthermore, it is hard for me to overlook [[w:Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:BZPN/LGBT|this]] and [[m:Universal Code of Conduct/Coordinating Committee/Cases/2025/Wikimedia Discord Block (BZPN)|this]]. Perhaps you could show the community that we should trust you in spite of your views, but it is simply impossible to do that with zero prior experience on this project. [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 13:54, 13 April 2026 (UTC) *{{oppose}} Markup is mostly okay, though the list items should be broken up into separate translation units, and the translation units shouldn't be broken up per section. Also, the QIDs should likely be tvars. I'm not opposing because of these. The issues pointed out by others above, as well as [[w:sco:User talk:CiphriusKane#enwiki block|this interaction on sco.wp 2 months ago]] indicate that you shouldn't be trusted with advanced permissions currently. [[User: Tenshi Hinanawi|Tenshi!]] ([[User talk: Tenshi Hinanawi|Talk page]]) 15:33, 13 April 2026 (UTC) *{{oppose}} after reading [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:PermanentLink/1317558320#Proposal:BZPN+site+banned+for+WP:NOTHERE this] and other links above, sorry. [[User:ToadetteEdit|ToadetteEdit]] ([[User talk:ToadetteEdit|talk]]) 16:37, 20 April 2026 (UTC) === Translation administrator: [[User:Sannita (WMF)|Sannita (WMF)]] === Hi, I'm Sannita from the Wikifunctions and Abstract Wikipedia team. I need access as a translation admin here, to help with [[Template:Main page/News]] and potentially the other pages that might require translation. I already have the flag on Meta and Wikifunctions. --[[User:Sannita (WMF)|Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 14:57, 20 April 2026 (UTC) *{{support}} [[User:ToadetteEdit|ToadetteEdit]] ([[User talk:ToadetteEdit|talk]]) 16:34, 20 April 2026 (UTC) :@[[User:Sannita (WMF)|Sannita (WMF)]]: Would this not go through [[wmf:Policy:Wikimedia Foundation Staff Userrights Policy]]? [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 19:04, 20 April 2026 (UTC) * {{s}}.🪶-[[User:Tanbiruzzaman|<span style="font-family:monospace;color:#006400;letter-spacing:1px;">TΛNBIRUZZΛMΛN</span>]] ([[User talk:Tanbiruzzaman|💬]]) 03:23, 21 April 2026 (UTC) * per JJPMaster I don't think this should go through a community process, but if it does I {{s}}. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 13:53, 23 April 2026 (UTC) == Bureaucrat == == Miscellaneous requests == ==See also== * [[Abstract Wikipedia:User groups]] ** [[Special:ListGroupRights]] for the listing of rights per user group 4khqfdj05pwdcynu25k2ck0phuwg328 6728 6668 2026-04-24T09:55:18Z Mdktb 971 -+Simple Header 6728 wikitext text/x-wiki {{/Header}} == Administrator == == Interface administrator == == Translation administrator == === Translation administrator: [[User:BZPN|BZPN]] === Hi, I'd like to request the TA flag. I'm familiar with how the extension works and have experience translating content into my language across other projects. I'd like to help quickly organize and manage translations (project space) here as the project develops. Thank you, [[User:BZPN|BZPN]] ([[User talk:BZPN|talk]]) 19:38, 12 April 2026 (UTC) * {{comment}} You don’t have similar rights anywhere. Can you prepare a page for translation by following [[:m:Meta:Internationalization guidelines]]?[[User:Tanbiruzzaman|Tanbiruzzaman]] ([[User talk:Tanbiruzzaman|talk]]) 19:44, 12 April 2026 (UTC) *:{{Done}}, please review it [[User:BZPN/Sample|here]] (based on [[Abstract Wikipedia:Useful functions for article composition]]). [[User:BZPN|BZPN]] ([[User talk:BZPN|talk]]) 20:43, 12 April 2026 (UTC) *::I'm also little cautious per the comment by Feeglgeef, it’s indeed your first edit on the wiki is to asking for the rights, and also the account creation log shows that you account was created also the same time. So at least spend some time as a reader, to know how things are working here. Until then I'm also {{Oppose|opposing}} the request. [[User:Tanbiruzzaman|Tanbiruzzaman]] ([[User talk:Tanbiruzzaman|talk]]) 02:33, 13 April 2026 (UTC) :{{oppose}}, and quite strongly, your first edit here was to ask for a user group, which is a massive red flag personally. I'm (at least, relative to others here) skeptical of users that rely solely on their global user rights, but you don't even have anything on that front. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 19:54, 12 April 2026 (UTC) ::Thank you to JJPMaster for the links to their previous conduct, definitely '''Absolutely not and absolutely never'''. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 15:04, 13 April 2026 (UTC) :'''Absolutely not'''. It is a terrible look to make this your first ever edit, especially considering your repeated zero-chance RfAs on Simple English Wikipedia. Furthermore, it is hard for me to overlook [[w:Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:BZPN/LGBT|this]] and [[m:Universal Code of Conduct/Coordinating Committee/Cases/2025/Wikimedia Discord Block (BZPN)|this]]. Perhaps you could show the community that we should trust you in spite of your views, but it is simply impossible to do that with zero prior experience on this project. [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 13:54, 13 April 2026 (UTC) *{{oppose}} Markup is mostly okay, though the list items should be broken up into separate translation units, and the translation units shouldn't be broken up per section. Also, the QIDs should likely be tvars. I'm not opposing because of these. The issues pointed out by others above, as well as [[w:sco:User talk:CiphriusKane#enwiki block|this interaction on sco.wp 2 months ago]] indicate that you shouldn't be trusted with advanced permissions currently. [[User: Tenshi Hinanawi|Tenshi!]] ([[User talk: Tenshi Hinanawi|Talk page]]) 15:33, 13 April 2026 (UTC) *{{oppose}} after reading [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:PermanentLink/1317558320#Proposal:BZPN+site+banned+for+WP:NOTHERE this] and other links above, sorry. [[User:ToadetteEdit|ToadetteEdit]] ([[User talk:ToadetteEdit|talk]]) 16:37, 20 April 2026 (UTC) === Translation administrator: [[User:Sannita (WMF)|Sannita (WMF)]] === Hi, I'm Sannita from the Wikifunctions and Abstract Wikipedia team. I need access as a translation admin here, to help with [[Template:Main page/News]] and potentially the other pages that might require translation. I already have the flag on Meta and Wikifunctions. --[[User:Sannita (WMF)|Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 14:57, 20 April 2026 (UTC) *{{support}} [[User:ToadetteEdit|ToadetteEdit]] ([[User talk:ToadetteEdit|talk]]) 16:34, 20 April 2026 (UTC) :@[[User:Sannita (WMF)|Sannita (WMF)]]: Would this not go through [[wmf:Policy:Wikimedia Foundation Staff Userrights Policy]]? [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 19:04, 20 April 2026 (UTC) * {{s}}.🪶-[[User:Tanbiruzzaman|<span style="font-family:monospace;color:#006400;letter-spacing:1px;">TΛNBIRUZZΛMΛN</span>]] ([[User talk:Tanbiruzzaman|💬]]) 03:23, 21 April 2026 (UTC) * per JJPMaster I don't think this should go through a community process, but if it does I {{s}}. 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বিমূর্ত উইকিপিডিয়া সম্পর্কে জানুন * [[Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia:About|বিমূর্ত উইকিপিডিয়ার পরিচিতি]] * [[Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia:Frequently Asked Questions|প্রায়শই জিজ্ঞাসিত প্রশ্নাবলী]] * [[f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Glossary|উইকিফাংশন্স শব্দকোষ]] ; অন্যান্য ক্ষেত্রে অবদান রাখুন * [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia#Participate|অনুবাদক হিসেবে জড়িত হন]] * [[Abstract Wikipedia:Suggested functions|একটি ফাংশন প্রস্তাব করুন]] ; সাহায্য * কোনো প্রশ্ন? [[Abstract Wikipedia:Project chat|প্রকল্প আড্ডা]] কিংবা [[https://t.me/Wikifunctions|আমাদের টেলিগ্রাম/আইআরসি চ্যানেলে]] জিজ্ঞাসা করুন! * [[Abstract Wikipedia:Report a technical problem|প্রযুক্তিগত সমস্যা সম্পর্কে অবগত করুন]] </div> </div> <div class="mainpage_box"> <h3><span class="header_icon" aria-hidden="true" role="presentation">[[File:Echo (Notifications) megaphone.svg|20px|middle|class=skin-invert|link=]]</span>সংবাদ</h3> <div id="mainpage-news" title="News" class="items">{{Main page/News/{{#invoke:IncludeLang|main|page=Template:Main page/News|lang = {{USERLANGUAGE}}}}}}</div> </div> </div> <!-- The section below is not visible in the page view --> <div id="many-examples" class="mainpage_row" style="display:none;"> <div class="mainpage_box"> <h3><span class="header_icon" aria-hidden="true" role="presentation">[[File:OOjs UI icon listBullet-ltr.svg|20px|middle|class=skin-invert|link=]]</span>নির্বাচিত বিমূর্ত নিবন্ধ</h3> <div id=mainpage-abstract-articles" title="Abstract articles" class="items"> আমাদের প্রথম নির্বাচিত বিমূর্ত নিবন্ধ, শীঘ্রই আসছে! </div> </div> </div> <div id="sister" class="mainpage_row"> <div class="mainpage_box"> <div id="mainpage-sister" title="Sister projects" class="items" style="border-top:unset;"> <div class="mainpage-sister-title"> <div style="width:45px; margin:0 auto; margin-top: -40px;">[[File:Wikimedia-logo.svg|45px|center|link=]]</div> <div class="plainlinks" style="color:var(--color-subtle, #54595d); font-size:120%; text-align:center; padding-top:10px;">বিমূর্ত উইকিপিডিয়া হলো অলাভজনক, বহুভাষিক, মুক্ত বিষয়বস্তু [[foundationsite:|উইকিমিডিয়া]] পরিবারের অংশ।</div> </div> <div class="mainpage-sister-projects"> *[[File:Wikipedia-logo-v2.svg|40x40px|link=w:|alt=]]<div><span>[[w:|{{int:Wikibase-otherprojects-wikipedia}}]]</span><br>বিশ্বকোষ</div> *[[File:Wikidata-logo.svg|40x40px|link=d:|alt=]]<div><span>[[d:|{{int:Wikibase-otherprojects-wikidata}}]]</span><br>জ্ঞান ভাণ্ডার</div> *[[File:Wikifunctions-logo.svg|40x40px|link=w:|alt=]]<div><span>[[f:|{{int:Wikibase-otherprojects-wikifunctions}}]]</span><br>ফাংশন সংগ্রহশালা</div> *[[File:Commons-logo.svg|40x40px|link=c:|alt=]]<div><span>[[c:|{{int:Wikibase-otherprojects-commons}}]]</span><br>মিডিয়া ভাণ্ডার</div> *[[File:Wiktionary-logo.svg|40x40px|link=wikt:|alt=]]<div><span>[[wikt:|{{int:Wikibase-otherprojects-wiktionary}}]]</span><br>অভিধান ও সমার্থশব্দকোষ</div> *[[File:Wikibooks-logo.svg|40x40px|link=b:|alt=]]<div><span>[[b:|{{int:Wikibase-otherprojects-wikibooks}}]]</span><br>পাঠ্যপুস্তক ও সহায়িকা</div> *[[File:Wikiquote-logo.svg|40x40px|link=q:|alt=]]<div><span>[[q:|{{int:Wikibase-otherprojects-wikiquote}}]]</span><br>উক্তি সংকলন</div> *[[File:Wikisource-logo.svg|40x40px|link=s:|alt=]]<div><span>[[s:|{{int:Wikibase-otherprojects-wikisource}}]]</span><br>গ্রন্থাগার</div> *[[File:Wikiversity logo 2017.svg|40x40px|link=v:|alt=]]<div><span>[[v:|{{int:Wikibase-otherprojects-wikiversity}}]]</span><br>শিক্ষা মাধ্যম</div> *[[File:Wikivoyage-Logo-v3-icon.svg|40x40px|link=voy:|alt=]]<div><span>[[voy:|{{int:Wikibase-otherprojects-wikivoyage}}]]</span><br>ভ্রমণ নির্দেশিকা</div> *[[File:Wikispecies-logo.svg|40x40px|link=species:|alt=]]<div><span>[[species:|{{int:Wikibase-otherprojects-species}}]]</span><br>জীবপ্রজাতি নির্দেশিকা</div> *[[File:Incubator-logo.svg|40x40px|link=incubator:|alt=]]<div><span>[[incubator:|{{int:Project-localized-name-incubatorwiki}}]]</span><br>নতুন ভাষার সংস্করণ</div> *[[File:Wikimedia Community Logo.svg|40x40px|link=m:|alt=]]<div><span>[[m:|{{int:Project-localized-name-metawiki}}]]</span><br>প্রকল্পের সমন্বয়</div> *[[File:MediaWiki-2020-icon.svg|40x40px|link=mw:|alt=]]<div><span>[[mw:|{{int:Project-localized-name-mediawikiwiki}}]]</span><br>মিডিয়াউইকি উন্নয়ন</div> *[[File:Wikimania.svg|40x40px|link=wikimania:|alt=]]<div><span>[[wikimania:|{{int:Project-localized-name-wikimaniawiki}}]]</span><br>অনুষ্ঠান প্রযোজনা</div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="mainPage_row" style="font-size: smaller;"> <languages/> </div> </div> __NOEDITSECTION__ __NOTOC__ <noinclude>[[Category:Templates]]</noinclude> d3lim33ajneoyypodronrxssckc0bx8 6698 6696 2026-04-24T00:50:01Z আফতাবুজ্জামান 1166 6698 wikitext text/x-wiki <templatestyles src="Template:Main_page/styles.css" /> <div id="lang_dir" class="mw-content-{{dir|{{#invoke:Caller title|lang|base=Template:Main_page}}}}" dir="{{dir|{{#invoke:Caller title|lang|base=Template:Main_page}}}}"> <div id="mainpage_header" class="mainpage_header"> [[File:Wikipedia-logo.svg|100px|alt=A globe with letters on it]] <h1>বিমূর্ত উইকিপিডিয়ায় স্বাগতম</h1> <p>বিমূর্ত উইকিপিডিয়া [[foundation:Special:MyLanguage/Policy:Terms of Use|বিমূর্ত বা সারসংক্ষেপ নিবন্ধের]] একটি [[Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia:Introduction|মুক্ত]] প্রকল্প, যা সবাই সম্পাদনা করতে পারে।</p> <div id="articlecount"><ul><li>[[Special:Statistics|{{formatnum|{{NUMBEROFACTIVEUSERS}}|{{USERLANGUAGE}}}}]] জন সক্রিয় সম্পাদক</li> <li>[[Special:Statistics|{{formatnum|{{NUMBEROFARTICLES}}|{{USERLANGUAGE}}}}]] টি বিমূর্ত নিবন্ধ</li></ul></div></div> <div id="audiences" class="mainpage_row"> <div class="mainpage_box"> <h3><span class="header_icon" aria-hidden="true" role="presentation">[[File:Wikipedia "W" Rounded Black.svg|20px|middle|link=]]</span>স্বাগতম!</h3> <div id="mainpage-welcome" title="Welcome" class="items"> '''বিমূর্ত উইকিপিডিয়া''' সকলের জন্য একটি উইকিমিডিয়া প্রকল্প, যার উদ্দেশ্য হলো [[:f:|উইকিফাংশন্সের]] ফাংশন এবং [[:d:|উইকিউপাত্তের]] উপাত্তের উপর ভিত্তি করে ভাষা-নিরপেক্ষ নিবন্ধের একটি সংগ্রহ সম্মিলিতভাবে তৈরি ও রক্ষণাবেক্ষণ করা, যা উইকিমিডিয়া প্রকল্পগুলোকে তাদের নিবন্ধ ভান্ডার প্রসারিত করতে সহায়তা করে। </div> </div> <div class="mainpage_box"> <h3><span class="header_icon" aria-hidden="true" role="presentation">[[File:OOjs UI icon chem.svg|20px|middle|class=skin-invert|link=]]</span>শুরু করুন</h3> <div id="mainpage-start" title="Get started" class="items"> * [[Special:CreateAbstract|একটি নিবন্ধ তৈরি করুন]] * [[Abstract:Useful functions for article composition|দরকারী ফাংশন]] * [[Abstract:Community portal|সম্প্রদায়ের প্রবেশদ্বার]] </div> </div> </div> <div id="misc-news" class="mainpage_row"> <div class="mainpage_box"> <h3><span class="header_icon" aria-hidden="true" role="presentation">[[File:OOjs UI icon ongoingConversation-rtl.svg|20px|middle|class=skin-invert|link=]]</span>জানুন ও অবদান রাখুন</h3> <div id=mainpage-help-contribute" title="Support and Contributing" class="items"> ; বিমূর্ত উইকিপিডিয়া সম্পর্কে জানুন * [[Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia:About|বিমূর্ত উইকিপিডিয়ার পরিচিতি]] * [[Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia:Frequently Asked Questions|প্রায়শই জিজ্ঞাসিত প্রশ্নাবলী]] * [[f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Glossary|উইকিফাংশন্স শব্দকোষ]] ; অন্যান্য ক্ষেত্রে অবদান রাখুন * [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia#Participate|অনুবাদক হিসেবে জড়িত হন]] * [[Abstract Wikipedia:Suggested functions|একটি ফাংশন প্রস্তাব করুন]] ; সাহায্য * কোনো প্রশ্ন? [[Abstract Wikipedia:Project chat|প্রকল্প আড্ডা]] কিংবা [[https://t.me/Wikifunctions|আমাদের টেলিগ্রাম/আইআরসি চ্যানেলে]] জিজ্ঞাসা করুন! * [[Abstract Wikipedia:Report a technical problem|প্রযুক্তিগত সমস্যা সম্পর্কে অবগত করুন]] </div> </div> <div class="mainpage_box"> <h3><span class="header_icon" aria-hidden="true" role="presentation">[[File:Echo (Notifications) megaphone.svg|20px|middle|class=skin-invert|link=]]</span>সংবাদ</h3> <div id="mainpage-news" title="News" class="items">{{Main page/News/{{#invoke:IncludeLang|main|page=Template:Main page/News|lang = {{USERLANGUAGE}}}}}}</div> </div> </div> <!-- The section below is not visible in the page view --> <div id="many-examples" class="mainpage_row" style="display:none;"> <div class="mainpage_box"> <h3><span class="header_icon" aria-hidden="true" role="presentation">[[File:OOjs UI icon listBullet-ltr.svg|20px|middle|class=skin-invert|link=]]</span>নির্বাচিত বিমূর্ত নিবন্ধ</h3> <div id=mainpage-abstract-articles" title="Abstract articles" class="items"> আমাদের প্রথম নির্বাচিত বিমূর্ত নিবন্ধ, শীঘ্রই আসছে! </div> </div> </div> <div id="sister" class="mainpage_row"> <div class="mainpage_box"> <div id="mainpage-sister" title="Sister projects" class="items" style="border-top:unset;"> <div class="mainpage-sister-title"> <div style="width:45px; margin:0 auto; margin-top: -40px;">[[File:Wikimedia-logo.svg|45px|center|link=]]</div> <div class="plainlinks" style="color:var(--color-subtle, #54595d); font-size:120%; text-align:center; padding-top:10px;">বিমূর্ত উইকিপিডিয়া হলো অলাভজনক, বহুভাষিক, মুক্ত বিষয়বস্তু [[foundationsite:|উইকিমিডিয়া]] পরিবারের অংশ।</div> </div> <div class="mainpage-sister-projects"> *[[File:Wikipedia-logo-v2.svg|40x40px|link=w:|alt=]]<div><span>[[w:|{{int:Wikibase-otherprojects-wikipedia}}]]</span><br>বিশ্বকোষ</div> *[[File:Wikidata-logo.svg|40x40px|link=d:|alt=]]<div><span>[[d:|{{int:Wikibase-otherprojects-wikidata}}]]</span><br>জ্ঞান ভাণ্ডার</div> *[[File:Wikifunctions-logo.svg|40x40px|link=w:|alt=]]<div><span>[[f:|{{int:Wikibase-otherprojects-wikifunctions}}]]</span><br>ফাংশন সংগ্রহশালা</div> *[[File:Commons-logo.svg|40x40px|link=c:|alt=]]<div><span>[[c:|{{int:Wikibase-otherprojects-commons}}]]</span><br>মিডিয়া ভাণ্ডার</div> *[[File:Wiktionary-logo.svg|40x40px|link=wikt:|alt=]]<div><span>[[wikt:|{{int:Wikibase-otherprojects-wiktionary}}]]</span><br>অভিধান ও সমার্থশব্দকোষ</div> *[[File:Wikibooks-logo.svg|40x40px|link=b:|alt=]]<div><span>[[b:|{{int:Wikibase-otherprojects-wikibooks}}]]</span><br>পাঠ্যপুস্তক ও সহায়িকা</div> *[[File:Wikiquote-logo.svg|40x40px|link=q:|alt=]]<div><span>[[q:|{{int:Wikibase-otherprojects-wikiquote}}]]</span><br>উক্তি সংকলন</div> *[[File:Wikisource-logo.svg|40x40px|link=s:|alt=]]<div><span>[[s:|{{int:Wikibase-otherprojects-wikisource}}]]</span><br>গ্রন্থাগার</div> *[[File:Wikiversity logo 2017.svg|40x40px|link=v:|alt=]]<div><span>[[v:|{{int:Wikibase-otherprojects-wikiversity}}]]</span><br>শিক্ষা মাধ্যম</div> *[[File:Wikivoyage-Logo-v3-icon.svg|40x40px|link=voy:|alt=]]<div><span>[[voy:|{{int:Wikibase-otherprojects-wikivoyage}}]]</span><br>ভ্রমণ নির্দেশিকা</div> *[[File:Wikispecies-logo.svg|40x40px|link=species:|alt=]]<div><span>[[species:|{{int:Wikibase-otherprojects-species}}]]</span><br>জীবপ্রজাতি নির্দেশিকা</div> *[[File:Incubator-logo.svg|40x40px|link=incubator:|alt=]]<div><span>[[incubator:|{{int:Project-localized-name-incubatorwiki}}]]</span><br>নতুন ভাষার সংস্করণ</div> *[[File:Wikimedia Community Logo.svg|40x40px|link=m:|alt=]]<div><span>[[m:|{{int:Project-localized-name-metawiki}}]]</span><br>প্রকল্পের সমন্বয়</div> *[[File:MediaWiki-2020-icon.svg|40x40px|link=mw:|alt=]]<div><span>[[mw:|{{int:Project-localized-name-mediawikiwiki}}]]</span><br>মিডিয়াউইকি উন্নয়ন</div> *[[File:Wikimania.svg|40x40px|link=wikimania:|alt=]]<div><span>[[wikimania:|{{int:Project-localized-name-wikimaniawiki}}]]</span><br>অনুষ্ঠান প্রযোজনা</div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="mainPage_row" style="font-size: smaller;"> <languages/> </div> </div> __NOEDITSECTION__ __NOTOC__ <noinclude>[[Category:Templates]]</noinclude> 0b0p0vow20inadfqrfnhvy9k4lzdz16 1198 1887 6695 4899 2026-04-24T00:49:56Z আফতাবুজ্জামান 1166 6695 wikitext text/x-wiki জন সক্রিয় সম্পাদক kbs2ry2urzvdsg0abllxgoqmsm68ege 1198 1888 6697 4901 2026-04-24T00:50:00Z আফতাবুজ্জামান 1166 6697 wikitext text/x-wiki টি বিমূর্ত নিবন্ধ que252q4a192enw03ew5795wfbcw21g 4 2048 6669 6661 2026-04-23T14:02:10Z Feeglgeef 36 /* Administrator: Koavf */ rm duplicated oppose 6669 wikitext text/x-wiki === Administrator: [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] === I am an admin on [[:d:]] and I've been trying to bring some structure to this wiki since it launched. If the community is hesitant about having local admins this early, I am willing to be a temporary admin and reapply after <var>x</var> months. [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 07:14, 27 March 2026 (UTC) * {{oppose}} Most of your edits here are to templates (87/132) and categories (22/132), all of which are meta-esque/administration-related. Abstract Wikipedia is in its infant stage, and so its admins should be more content-focused. Not to mention, there are barely any admin-level tasks to be done at the moment (vandals, if any, can be handled by global sysops and stewards). [[User:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|<span class="skin-invert" style="color:black;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:110%;font-weight:normal;line-height:normal">NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh</span>]] 07:36, 27 March 2026 (UTC) :{{oppose}}, Nguoi said it well above. I'd prefer an admin that I can trust to handle the content side. You don't have any mainspace edits to WF so I don't think you qualify here. I might be willing to support a 1-month adminship if you elaborate on what you would do as an administrator. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 18:08, 27 March 2026 (UTC) ::I do however think a local admin would do us good (I don't trust Stewards and Global Admins to perform content-related tasks), and for that reason I nominate {{ping|99of9}}. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 18:09, 27 March 2026 (UTC) Closing as unsuccessful with {{support}}: 0, {{oppose}}: 2.[[User:Tanbiruzzaman|Tanbiruzzaman]] ([[User talk:Tanbiruzzaman|talk]]) 06:18, 11 April 2026 (UTC) === Translation administrator: [[User:Tanbiruzzaman|Tanbiruzzaman]] === Hello, the translation feature seems enabled now. I'm requesting for the translationadmin rights to help out with the translations in project namespaces (not mainspace translation), e.g. marking pages for translation.[[User:Tanbiruzzaman|Tanbiruzzaman]] ([[User talk:Tanbiruzzaman|talk]]) 07:44, 25 March 2026 (UTC) * @[[User:Tanbiruzzaman|Tanbiruzzaman]]: Note that it's not fully working yet for some reason, but hopefully soon! [[User:Jdforrester (WMF)|Jdforrester (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Jdforrester (WMF)|talk]]) 14:58, 25 March 2026 (UTC) *:Update: The wonderful Niklas from the Language team has found and fixed the cause; I'll run the new script next week once it's live in production, after which the feature will work. [[User:Jdforrester (WMF)|Jdforrester (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Jdforrester (WMF)|talk]]) 12:22, 2 April 2026 (UTC) *::✅ Now done. Sorry for the delay. [[User:Jdforrester (WMF)|Jdforrester (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Jdforrester (WMF)|talk]]) 19:46, 12 April 2026 (UTC) * Could you please provide an example of a page that you have marked up for translation yourself? [[User: Tenshi Hinanawi|Tenshi!]] ([[User talk: Tenshi Hinanawi|Talk page]]) 13:53, 26 March 2026 (UTC) *: @[[User:Tenshi Hinanawi|Tenshi Hinanawi]], thanks for the follow-up, here is an example from metawiki: [[:m:WikiBarta]], and here [[Help:Contents]]. [[User:Tanbiruzzaman|Tanbiruzzaman]] ([[User talk:Tanbiruzzaman|talk]]) 14:21, 26 March 2026 (UTC) * {{support}}'''Support''': lgtm [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 16:00, 26 March 2026 (UTC) * '''Support''': If we want this project to be a global one, it's best to have people who don't speak English come in from the start, having PAGs that can be read is an important part of that. [[User:MetalBreaksAndBends|MetalBreaksAndBends]] ([[User talk:MetalBreaksAndBends|talk]]) 16:32, 26 March 2026 (UTC) *{{support}} Globally trusted user. [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 07:13, 27 March 2026 (UTC) * {{Support}} --[[User:Ameisenigel|Ameisenigel]] ([[User talk:Ameisenigel|talk]]) 08:39, 27 March 2026 (UTC) * {{support}}'''Support'''. [[User:ChaoticVermillion|ChaoticVermillion]] ([[User talk:ChaoticVermillion|talk]]) 08:54, 27 March 2026 (UTC) *{{support}}'''Support'''. [[User: Tenshi Hinanawi|Tenshi!]] ([[User talk: Tenshi Hinanawi|Talk page]]) 14:39, 27 March 2026 (UTC) * {{support}} --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 10:28, 28 March 2026 (UTC) * {{support}} --[[User:Asked42|Asked42]] ([[User talk:Asked42|talk]]) 17:25, 30 March 2026 (UTC) Closing as successfull with {{Support}}: 8, {{Oppose}}: 0 --[[User:Ameisenigel|Ameisenigel]] ([[User talk:Ameisenigel|talk]]) 14:33, 2 April 2026 (UTC) === Translation administrator: [[User:Minorax|Minorax]] === Good day, I'd like to request for translation admin toolset to help to mark and manage pages for translation here. I have similar experiences on other wikis. [[User:Minorax|Minorax]] ([[User talk:Minorax|talk]]) 07:59, 5 April 2026 (UTC) *{{Support|Support}} Thank you for your willingness to volunteering here.[[User:Tanbiruzzaman|Tanbiruzzaman]] ([[User talk:Tanbiruzzaman|talk]]) 09:04, 5 April 2026 (UTC) * {{Support}} --[[User:Ameisenigel|Ameisenigel]] ([[User talk:Ameisenigel|talk]]) 19:03, 5 April 2026 (UTC) *{{Support}} [[User:ChaoticVermillion|<span style="color: orangered">Chaotic</span><span style="color: crimson">Vermillion</span>]] ([[User talk:ChaoticVermillion|converse]], [[Special:Contributions/ChaoticVermillion|contribs]]) 01:01, 6 April 2026 (UTC) * {{support}}: -- [[User:Asked42|Asked42]] ([[User talk:Asked42|talk]]) 14:06, 7 April 2026 (UTC) *{{support}} Globally trusted user. [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 06:26, 11 April 2026 (UTC) *{{support}} [[User:ToadetteEdit|ToadetteEdit]] ([[User talk:ToadetteEdit|talk]]) 22:39, 16 April 2026 (UTC) :Closing as successfull with {{Support}}: 6, {{Oppose}}: 0 --[[User:Ameisenigel|Ameisenigel]] ([[User talk:Ameisenigel|talk]]) 18:24, 19 April 2026 (UTC) j83ikl8iniwa1aw0wdpxklvbuzj456w 6730 6669 2026-04-24T10:08:23Z Mdktb 971 Mdktb moved page [[Abstract Wikipedia:Requests for permissions/Archive/2026/04]] to [[Abstract Wikipedia:Requests for permissions/Archive/04]]: fix 6669 wikitext text/x-wiki === Administrator: [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] === I am an admin on [[:d:]] and I've been trying to bring some structure to this wiki since it launched. If the community is hesitant about having local admins this early, I am willing to be a temporary admin and reapply after <var>x</var> months. [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 07:14, 27 March 2026 (UTC) * {{oppose}} Most of your edits here are to templates (87/132) and categories (22/132), all of which are meta-esque/administration-related. Abstract Wikipedia is in its infant stage, and so its admins should be more content-focused. Not to mention, there are barely any admin-level tasks to be done at the moment (vandals, if any, can be handled by global sysops and stewards). [[User:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|<span class="skin-invert" style="color:black;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:110%;font-weight:normal;line-height:normal">NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh</span>]] 07:36, 27 March 2026 (UTC) :{{oppose}}, Nguoi said it well above. I'd prefer an admin that I can trust to handle the content side. You don't have any mainspace edits to WF so I don't think you qualify here. I might be willing to support a 1-month adminship if you elaborate on what you would do as an administrator. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 18:08, 27 March 2026 (UTC) ::I do however think a local admin would do us good (I don't trust Stewards and Global Admins to perform content-related tasks), and for that reason I nominate {{ping|99of9}}. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 18:09, 27 March 2026 (UTC) Closing as unsuccessful with {{support}}: 0, {{oppose}}: 2.[[User:Tanbiruzzaman|Tanbiruzzaman]] ([[User talk:Tanbiruzzaman|talk]]) 06:18, 11 April 2026 (UTC) === Translation administrator: [[User:Tanbiruzzaman|Tanbiruzzaman]] === Hello, the translation feature seems enabled now. I'm requesting for the translationadmin rights to help out with the translations in project namespaces (not mainspace translation), e.g. marking pages for translation.[[User:Tanbiruzzaman|Tanbiruzzaman]] ([[User talk:Tanbiruzzaman|talk]]) 07:44, 25 March 2026 (UTC) * @[[User:Tanbiruzzaman|Tanbiruzzaman]]: Note that it's not fully working yet for some reason, but hopefully soon! [[User:Jdforrester (WMF)|Jdforrester (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Jdforrester (WMF)|talk]]) 14:58, 25 March 2026 (UTC) *:Update: The wonderful Niklas from the Language team has found and fixed the cause; I'll run the new script next week once it's live in production, after which the feature will work. [[User:Jdforrester (WMF)|Jdforrester (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Jdforrester (WMF)|talk]]) 12:22, 2 April 2026 (UTC) *::✅ Now done. Sorry for the delay. [[User:Jdforrester (WMF)|Jdforrester (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Jdforrester (WMF)|talk]]) 19:46, 12 April 2026 (UTC) * Could you please provide an example of a page that you have marked up for translation yourself? [[User: Tenshi Hinanawi|Tenshi!]] ([[User talk: Tenshi Hinanawi|Talk page]]) 13:53, 26 March 2026 (UTC) *: @[[User:Tenshi Hinanawi|Tenshi Hinanawi]], thanks for the follow-up, here is an example from metawiki: [[:m:WikiBarta]], and here [[Help:Contents]]. [[User:Tanbiruzzaman|Tanbiruzzaman]] ([[User talk:Tanbiruzzaman|talk]]) 14:21, 26 March 2026 (UTC) * {{support}}'''Support''': lgtm [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 16:00, 26 March 2026 (UTC) * '''Support''': If we want this project to be a global one, it's best to have people who don't speak English come in from the start, having PAGs that can be read is an important part of that. [[User:MetalBreaksAndBends|MetalBreaksAndBends]] ([[User talk:MetalBreaksAndBends|talk]]) 16:32, 26 March 2026 (UTC) *{{support}} Globally trusted user. [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 07:13, 27 March 2026 (UTC) * {{Support}} --[[User:Ameisenigel|Ameisenigel]] ([[User talk:Ameisenigel|talk]]) 08:39, 27 March 2026 (UTC) * {{support}}'''Support'''. [[User:ChaoticVermillion|ChaoticVermillion]] ([[User talk:ChaoticVermillion|talk]]) 08:54, 27 March 2026 (UTC) *{{support}}'''Support'''. [[User: Tenshi Hinanawi|Tenshi!]] ([[User talk: Tenshi Hinanawi|Talk page]]) 14:39, 27 March 2026 (UTC) * {{support}} --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 10:28, 28 March 2026 (UTC) * {{support}} --[[User:Asked42|Asked42]] ([[User talk:Asked42|talk]]) 17:25, 30 March 2026 (UTC) Closing as successfull with {{Support}}: 8, {{Oppose}}: 0 --[[User:Ameisenigel|Ameisenigel]] ([[User talk:Ameisenigel|talk]]) 14:33, 2 April 2026 (UTC) === Translation administrator: [[User:Minorax|Minorax]] === Good day, I'd like to request for translation admin toolset to help to mark and manage pages for translation here. I have similar experiences on other wikis. [[User:Minorax|Minorax]] ([[User talk:Minorax|talk]]) 07:59, 5 April 2026 (UTC) *{{Support|Support}} Thank you for your willingness to volunteering here.[[User:Tanbiruzzaman|Tanbiruzzaman]] ([[User talk:Tanbiruzzaman|talk]]) 09:04, 5 April 2026 (UTC) * {{Support}} --[[User:Ameisenigel|Ameisenigel]] ([[User talk:Ameisenigel|talk]]) 19:03, 5 April 2026 (UTC) *{{Support}} [[User:ChaoticVermillion|<span style="color: orangered">Chaotic</span><span style="color: crimson">Vermillion</span>]] ([[User talk:ChaoticVermillion|converse]], [[Special:Contributions/ChaoticVermillion|contribs]]) 01:01, 6 April 2026 (UTC) * {{support}}: -- [[User:Asked42|Asked42]] ([[User talk:Asked42|talk]]) 14:06, 7 April 2026 (UTC) *{{support}} Globally trusted user. [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 06:26, 11 April 2026 (UTC) *{{support}} [[User:ToadetteEdit|ToadetteEdit]] ([[User talk:ToadetteEdit|talk]]) 22:39, 16 April 2026 (UTC) :Closing as successfull with {{Support}}: 6, {{Oppose}}: 0 --[[User:Ameisenigel|Ameisenigel]] ([[User talk:Ameisenigel|talk]]) 18:24, 19 April 2026 (UTC) j83ikl8iniwa1aw0wdpxklvbuzj456w 6733 6730 2026-04-24T10:10:57Z Mdktb 971 Mdktb moved page [[Abstract Wikipedia:Requests for permissions/Archive/04]] to [[Abstract Wikipedia:Requests for permissions/Archive/2026/04]] over redirect: undo 6669 wikitext text/x-wiki === Administrator: [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] === I am an admin on [[:d:]] and I've been trying to bring some structure to this wiki since it launched. If the community is hesitant about having local admins this early, I am willing to be a temporary admin and reapply after <var>x</var> months. [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 07:14, 27 March 2026 (UTC) * {{oppose}} Most of your edits here are to templates (87/132) and categories (22/132), all of which are meta-esque/administration-related. Abstract Wikipedia is in its infant stage, and so its admins should be more content-focused. Not to mention, there are barely any admin-level tasks to be done at the moment (vandals, if any, can be handled by global sysops and stewards). [[User:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|<span class="skin-invert" style="color:black;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:110%;font-weight:normal;line-height:normal">NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh</span>]] 07:36, 27 March 2026 (UTC) :{{oppose}}, Nguoi said it well above. I'd prefer an admin that I can trust to handle the content side. You don't have any mainspace edits to WF so I don't think you qualify here. I might be willing to support a 1-month adminship if you elaborate on what you would do as an administrator. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 18:08, 27 March 2026 (UTC) ::I do however think a local admin would do us good (I don't trust Stewards and Global Admins to perform content-related tasks), and for that reason I nominate {{ping|99of9}}. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 18:09, 27 March 2026 (UTC) Closing as unsuccessful with {{support}}: 0, {{oppose}}: 2.[[User:Tanbiruzzaman|Tanbiruzzaman]] ([[User talk:Tanbiruzzaman|talk]]) 06:18, 11 April 2026 (UTC) === Translation administrator: [[User:Tanbiruzzaman|Tanbiruzzaman]] === Hello, the translation feature seems enabled now. I'm requesting for the translationadmin rights to help out with the translations in project namespaces (not mainspace translation), e.g. marking pages for translation.[[User:Tanbiruzzaman|Tanbiruzzaman]] ([[User talk:Tanbiruzzaman|talk]]) 07:44, 25 March 2026 (UTC) * @[[User:Tanbiruzzaman|Tanbiruzzaman]]: Note that it's not fully working yet for some reason, but hopefully soon! [[User:Jdforrester (WMF)|Jdforrester (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Jdforrester (WMF)|talk]]) 14:58, 25 March 2026 (UTC) *:Update: The wonderful Niklas from the Language team has found and fixed the cause; I'll run the new script next week once it's live in production, after which the feature will work. [[User:Jdforrester (WMF)|Jdforrester (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Jdforrester (WMF)|talk]]) 12:22, 2 April 2026 (UTC) *::✅ Now done. Sorry for the delay. [[User:Jdforrester (WMF)|Jdforrester (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Jdforrester (WMF)|talk]]) 19:46, 12 April 2026 (UTC) * Could you please provide an example of a page that you have marked up for translation yourself? [[User: Tenshi Hinanawi|Tenshi!]] ([[User talk: Tenshi Hinanawi|Talk page]]) 13:53, 26 March 2026 (UTC) *: @[[User:Tenshi Hinanawi|Tenshi Hinanawi]], thanks for the follow-up, here is an example from metawiki: [[:m:WikiBarta]], and here [[Help:Contents]]. [[User:Tanbiruzzaman|Tanbiruzzaman]] ([[User talk:Tanbiruzzaman|talk]]) 14:21, 26 March 2026 (UTC) * {{support}}'''Support''': lgtm [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 16:00, 26 March 2026 (UTC) * '''Support''': If we want this project to be a global one, it's best to have people who don't speak English come in from the start, having PAGs that can be read is an important part of that. [[User:MetalBreaksAndBends|MetalBreaksAndBends]] ([[User talk:MetalBreaksAndBends|talk]]) 16:32, 26 March 2026 (UTC) *{{support}} Globally trusted user. [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 07:13, 27 March 2026 (UTC) * {{Support}} --[[User:Ameisenigel|Ameisenigel]] ([[User talk:Ameisenigel|talk]]) 08:39, 27 March 2026 (UTC) * {{support}}'''Support'''. [[User:ChaoticVermillion|ChaoticVermillion]] ([[User talk:ChaoticVermillion|talk]]) 08:54, 27 March 2026 (UTC) *{{support}}'''Support'''. [[User: Tenshi Hinanawi|Tenshi!]] ([[User talk: Tenshi Hinanawi|Talk page]]) 14:39, 27 March 2026 (UTC) * {{support}} --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 10:28, 28 March 2026 (UTC) * {{support}} --[[User:Asked42|Asked42]] ([[User talk:Asked42|talk]]) 17:25, 30 March 2026 (UTC) Closing as successfull with {{Support}}: 8, {{Oppose}}: 0 --[[User:Ameisenigel|Ameisenigel]] ([[User talk:Ameisenigel|talk]]) 14:33, 2 April 2026 (UTC) === Translation administrator: [[User:Minorax|Minorax]] === Good day, I'd like to request for translation admin toolset to help to mark and manage pages for translation here. I have similar experiences on other wikis. [[User:Minorax|Minorax]] ([[User talk:Minorax|talk]]) 07:59, 5 April 2026 (UTC) *{{Support|Support}} Thank you for your willingness to volunteering here.[[User:Tanbiruzzaman|Tanbiruzzaman]] ([[User talk:Tanbiruzzaman|talk]]) 09:04, 5 April 2026 (UTC) * {{Support}} --[[User:Ameisenigel|Ameisenigel]] ([[User talk:Ameisenigel|talk]]) 19:03, 5 April 2026 (UTC) *{{Support}} [[User:ChaoticVermillion|<span style="color: orangered">Chaotic</span><span style="color: crimson">Vermillion</span>]] ([[User talk:ChaoticVermillion|converse]], [[Special:Contributions/ChaoticVermillion|contribs]]) 01:01, 6 April 2026 (UTC) * {{support}}: -- [[User:Asked42|Asked42]] ([[User talk:Asked42|talk]]) 14:06, 7 April 2026 (UTC) *{{support}} Globally trusted user. [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 06:26, 11 April 2026 (UTC) *{{support}} [[User:ToadetteEdit|ToadetteEdit]] ([[User talk:ToadetteEdit|talk]]) 22:39, 16 April 2026 (UTC) :Closing as successfull with {{Support}}: 6, {{Oppose}}: 0 --[[User:Ameisenigel|Ameisenigel]] ([[User talk:Ameisenigel|talk]]) 18:24, 19 April 2026 (UTC) j83ikl8iniwa1aw0wdpxklvbuzj456w 12 2505 6710 6659 2026-04-24T07:45:23Z Ameisenigel 31 Created page with "Wir haben nun eine Funktion ausgewählt. Wir erhalten Felder für die Argumente. Anstatt eine Zeichenkette einzugeben, möchten wir eine weitere Funktion hinzufügen." 6710 wikitext text/x-wiki <languages/> In der Abstrakten Wikipedia kannst du nur Artikel zu Themen erstellen, die bereits ein Wikidata-Datenobjekt haben. Falls das Thema noch nicht in Wikidata existiert, was du über die [[d:special:search|Suche]] feststellen kannst, befolge [[d:Special:MyLanguage/help:items#Creating a new item|diese Hilfeseite]], um ein neues Datenobjekt dafür zu erstellen. <span id="Steps"></span> == Schritte == Um einen Artikel zu erstellen, kannst du auf [[Special:CreateAbstract|Einen neuen Abstrakten Artikel erstellen]] gehen. [[file:aw-tutorial-step-1.png|center|frameless|800px|Wähle ein Thema aus]] Gib ein Thema ein und klicke auf „Erstellen“. [[file:aw-tutorial-step-2.png|center|frameless|800px|Leerer abstrakter Artikel]] Du gelangst zu einem neuen Bildschirm. Auf der rechten Seite siehst Du die Vorschau in der ausgewählten Sprache, auf der linken Seite den zusammenfassenden Inhalt. [[file:aw-tutorial-step-3.png|center|frameless|800px|Klicke auf das Pluszeichen, um ein Fragment hinzuzufügen.]] Klicke im linken Bereich auf die Plus-Schaltfläche, um ein neues Fragment hinzuzufügen. Zunächst fügen wir ein leeres Fragment hinzu. [[file:aw-tutorial-step-4.png|center|frameless|800px|Ein leeres Fragment]] Das sieht dann so aus und zeigt einen Funktionsaufruf, ohne dass eine Funktion ausgewählt ist. Wir klicken auf das Symbol neben dem roten Text „Funktion auswählen“. [[file:aw-tutorial-step-5.png|center|frameless|800px|Funktionsauswahl geöffnet]] Dadurch wird die Funktionsauswahl geöffnet. [[file:aw-tutorial-step-6.png|center|frameless|800px|Eine Funktion auswählen]] Wir wählen eine Funktion aus. Diese muss auf Wikifunctions vorhanden sein und derzeit ein HTML-Fragment zurückgeben. In diesem Beispiel wählen wir die Funktion "Zeichenkette zu HTML", da wir damit entweder eine Zeichenkette eingeben oder eine Funktion auswählen können, die eine Zeichenkette erzeugt. [[file:aw-tutorial-step-7.png|center|frameless|800px|Ausgewählte Funktion "Zeichenkette zu HTML"]] Wir haben nun eine Funktion ausgewählt. Wir erhalten Felder für die Argumente. Anstatt eine Zeichenkette einzugeben, möchten wir eine weitere Funktion hinzufügen. [[file:aw-tutorial-step-8.png|center|frameless|800px|<span lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr">Change the mode of the argument</span>]] <span lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr">In order to do so, we change the mode of the argument named string by clicking on the three dots next to string. This allows us to change from the current mode, literal, to a function call.</span> [[file:aw-tutorial-step-9.png|center|frameless|800px|Wählen die innere Funktion aus]] Hier können wir nun eine Funktion auswählen, die eine Zeichenkette zurückgibt. [[file:aw-tutorial-step-10.png|center|frameless|800px|Wählen eine Funktion, die einen String zurückgibt.]] <span lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr">We select the function "Article-less instantiating fragment" -- a function that creates sentences such as "Paris is a city." Note that selecting the function “Article-less instantiating HTML fragment” would have allowed us to skip using the function “string to HTML fragment”.</span> [[file:aw-tutorial-step-10.png|center|frameless|800px|Argumente für die artikellose Instanziierung von Fragmentfunktionen]] <span lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr">Now we see the arguments for this function. We also get automatically fitting arguments filled in. This leads to the sentence "Paris is a Paris.", because the arguments "entity" and "class" both get prefilled with the item we are writing about.</span> [[file:aw-tutorial-step-11.png|center|frameless|800px|Ändern des Modus des Arguments "class"]] <span lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr">We need to change the mode on the "class" argument from the automatically filled value (an Argument reference) to a literal.</span> [[file:aw-tutorial-step-12.png|center|frameless|800px|<span lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr">Changed the mode of "class" to literal.</span>]] Damit haben wir nun ein Feld, um einen Wikidata-Eintrag für den Wert des Arguments "class" auszuwählen. [[file:aw-tutorial-step-13.png|center|frameless|800px|Auswahl der Stadt als Klassenargument]] Wir wählen den Eintrag „Stadt“ als Klassenargument aus. [[file:aw-tutorial-step-14.png|center|frameless|800px|Der erste Satz ist erstellt.]] Sobald dies ausgewählt ist, sollte der erste Satz des Artikels fertig sein. Jetzt kannst Du auf „Veröffentlichen“ klicken und eine erste Version des Artikels ist verfügbar. Anschließend kannst Du auf „Bearbeiten“ klicken, um weitere Informationen hinzuzufügen. <span id="This_is_far_too_complicated!"></span> == Das ist viel zu kompliziert! == Ja, einverstanden. Es gibt zwei Möglichkeiten, dies zu vereinfachen: * die Benutzerfreundlichkeit verbessern * den Funktionskatalog verbessern Während sich das Entwicklungsteam der Wikimedia Foundation auf den ersten Ansatz konzentriert (und UX-Ideen stets begrüßt), kann die Community an einem umfassenderen und benutzerfreundlicheren Funktionskatalog in Wikifunctions arbeiten. Hierbei zeigt sich, dass die Benennung von Funktionen und Argumenten wichtig ist und dass wir im obigen Ablauf möglichst viele Funktionen vermeiden sollten, die einen Datentyp in einen anderen umwandeln. Aber ja, am wichtigsten ist, dass sich Abstrakte Wikipedia derzeit in einer frühen öffentlichen Beta-Phase befindet und das Erstellen und Bearbeiten von Artikeln momentan schwierig ist. Wir müssen alle zusammenarbeiten, um dies zu verbessern. Wenn Du Ideen für neue Funktionen hast, schlage diese bitte unter [[Abstract Wikipedia:Suggested functions|Vorgeschlagene Funktionen]] vor. <span id="See_also"></span> == Siehe auch == * [[Abstract Wikipedia:Useful functions for article composition]] [[category:help{{#translation:}}]] 43tbfgbqmhenjz2ylnutcvbbggu8y7x 6712 6710 2026-04-24T07:46:04Z Ameisenigel 31 Created page with "Ändern des Modus des Arguments" 6712 wikitext text/x-wiki <languages/> In der Abstrakten Wikipedia kannst du nur Artikel zu Themen erstellen, die bereits ein Wikidata-Datenobjekt haben. Falls das Thema noch nicht in Wikidata existiert, was du über die [[d:special:search|Suche]] feststellen kannst, befolge [[d:Special:MyLanguage/help:items#Creating a new item|diese Hilfeseite]], um ein neues Datenobjekt dafür zu erstellen. <span id="Steps"></span> == Schritte == Um einen Artikel zu erstellen, kannst du auf [[Special:CreateAbstract|Einen neuen Abstrakten Artikel erstellen]] gehen. [[file:aw-tutorial-step-1.png|center|frameless|800px|Wähle ein Thema aus]] Gib ein Thema ein und klicke auf „Erstellen“. [[file:aw-tutorial-step-2.png|center|frameless|800px|Leerer abstrakter Artikel]] Du gelangst zu einem neuen Bildschirm. Auf der rechten Seite siehst Du die Vorschau in der ausgewählten Sprache, auf der linken Seite den zusammenfassenden Inhalt. [[file:aw-tutorial-step-3.png|center|frameless|800px|Klicke auf das Pluszeichen, um ein Fragment hinzuzufügen.]] Klicke im linken Bereich auf die Plus-Schaltfläche, um ein neues Fragment hinzuzufügen. Zunächst fügen wir ein leeres Fragment hinzu. [[file:aw-tutorial-step-4.png|center|frameless|800px|Ein leeres Fragment]] Das sieht dann so aus und zeigt einen Funktionsaufruf, ohne dass eine Funktion ausgewählt ist. Wir klicken auf das Symbol neben dem roten Text „Funktion auswählen“. [[file:aw-tutorial-step-5.png|center|frameless|800px|Funktionsauswahl geöffnet]] Dadurch wird die Funktionsauswahl geöffnet. [[file:aw-tutorial-step-6.png|center|frameless|800px|Eine Funktion auswählen]] Wir wählen eine Funktion aus. Diese muss auf Wikifunctions vorhanden sein und derzeit ein HTML-Fragment zurückgeben. In diesem Beispiel wählen wir die Funktion "Zeichenkette zu HTML", da wir damit entweder eine Zeichenkette eingeben oder eine Funktion auswählen können, die eine Zeichenkette erzeugt. [[file:aw-tutorial-step-7.png|center|frameless|800px|Ausgewählte Funktion "Zeichenkette zu HTML"]] Wir haben nun eine Funktion ausgewählt. Wir erhalten Felder für die Argumente. Anstatt eine Zeichenkette einzugeben, möchten wir eine weitere Funktion hinzufügen. [[file:aw-tutorial-step-8.png|center|frameless|800px|Ändern des Modus des Arguments]] <span lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr">In order to do so, we change the mode of the argument named string by clicking on the three dots next to string. This allows us to change from the current mode, literal, to a function call.</span> [[file:aw-tutorial-step-9.png|center|frameless|800px|Wählen die innere Funktion aus]] Hier können wir nun eine Funktion auswählen, die eine Zeichenkette zurückgibt. [[file:aw-tutorial-step-10.png|center|frameless|800px|Wählen eine Funktion, die einen String zurückgibt.]] <span lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr">We select the function "Article-less instantiating fragment" -- a function that creates sentences such as "Paris is a city." Note that selecting the function “Article-less instantiating HTML fragment” would have allowed us to skip using the function “string to HTML fragment”.</span> [[file:aw-tutorial-step-10.png|center|frameless|800px|Argumente für die artikellose Instanziierung von Fragmentfunktionen]] <span lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr">Now we see the arguments for this function. We also get automatically fitting arguments filled in. This leads to the sentence "Paris is a Paris.", because the arguments "entity" and "class" both get prefilled with the item we are writing about.</span> [[file:aw-tutorial-step-11.png|center|frameless|800px|Ändern des Modus des Arguments "class"]] <span lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr">We need to change the mode on the "class" argument from the automatically filled value (an Argument reference) to a literal.</span> [[file:aw-tutorial-step-12.png|center|frameless|800px|<span lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr">Changed the mode of "class" to literal.</span>]] Damit haben wir nun ein Feld, um einen Wikidata-Eintrag für den Wert des Arguments "class" auszuwählen. [[file:aw-tutorial-step-13.png|center|frameless|800px|Auswahl der Stadt als Klassenargument]] Wir wählen den Eintrag „Stadt“ als Klassenargument aus. [[file:aw-tutorial-step-14.png|center|frameless|800px|Der erste Satz ist erstellt.]] Sobald dies ausgewählt ist, sollte der erste Satz des Artikels fertig sein. Jetzt kannst Du auf „Veröffentlichen“ klicken und eine erste Version des Artikels ist verfügbar. Anschließend kannst Du auf „Bearbeiten“ klicken, um weitere Informationen hinzuzufügen. <span id="This_is_far_too_complicated!"></span> == Das ist viel zu kompliziert! == Ja, einverstanden. Es gibt zwei Möglichkeiten, dies zu vereinfachen: * die Benutzerfreundlichkeit verbessern * den Funktionskatalog verbessern Während sich das Entwicklungsteam der Wikimedia Foundation auf den ersten Ansatz konzentriert (und UX-Ideen stets begrüßt), kann die Community an einem umfassenderen und benutzerfreundlicheren Funktionskatalog in Wikifunctions arbeiten. Hierbei zeigt sich, dass die Benennung von Funktionen und Argumenten wichtig ist und dass wir im obigen Ablauf möglichst viele Funktionen vermeiden sollten, die einen Datentyp in einen anderen umwandeln. Aber ja, am wichtigsten ist, dass sich Abstrakte Wikipedia derzeit in einer frühen öffentlichen Beta-Phase befindet und das Erstellen und Bearbeiten von Artikeln momentan schwierig ist. Wir müssen alle zusammenarbeiten, um dies zu verbessern. Wenn Du Ideen für neue Funktionen hast, schlage diese bitte unter [[Abstract Wikipedia:Suggested functions|Vorgeschlagene Funktionen]] vor. <span id="See_also"></span> == Siehe auch == * [[Abstract Wikipedia:Useful functions for article composition]] [[category:help{{#translation:}}]] teu7ygiycrgjxt5pkqn76xvesvl7yyp 6714 6712 2026-04-24T07:46:31Z Ameisenigel 31 6714 wikitext text/x-wiki <languages/> In der Abstrakten Wikipedia kannst du nur Artikel zu Themen erstellen, die bereits ein Wikidata-Datenobjekt haben. Falls das Thema noch nicht in Wikidata existiert, was du über die [[d:special:search|Suche]] feststellen kannst, befolge [[d:Special:MyLanguage/help:items#Creating a new item|diese Hilfeseite]], um ein neues Datenobjekt dafür zu erstellen. <span id="Steps"></span> == Schritte == Um einen Artikel zu erstellen, kannst du auf [[Special:CreateAbstract|Einen neuen Abstrakten Artikel erstellen]] gehen. [[file:aw-tutorial-step-1.png|center|frameless|800px|Wähle ein Thema aus]] Gib ein Thema ein und klicke auf „Erstellen“. [[file:aw-tutorial-step-2.png|center|frameless|800px|Leerer abstrakter Artikel]] Du gelangst zu einem neuen Bildschirm. Auf der rechten Seite siehst Du die Vorschau in der ausgewählten Sprache, auf der linken Seite den zusammenfassenden Inhalt. [[file:aw-tutorial-step-3.png|center|frameless|800px|Klicke auf das Pluszeichen, um ein Fragment hinzuzufügen.]] Klicke im linken Bereich auf die Plus-Schaltfläche, um ein neues Fragment hinzuzufügen. Zunächst fügen wir ein leeres Fragment hinzu. [[file:aw-tutorial-step-4.png|center|frameless|800px|Ein leeres Fragment]] Das sieht dann so aus und zeigt einen Funktionsaufruf, ohne dass eine Funktion ausgewählt ist. Wir klicken auf das Symbol neben dem roten Text „Funktion auswählen“. [[file:aw-tutorial-step-5.png|center|frameless|800px|Funktionsauswahl geöffnet]] Dadurch wird die Funktionsauswahl geöffnet. [[file:aw-tutorial-step-6.png|center|frameless|800px|Eine Funktion auswählen]] Wir wählen eine Funktion aus. Diese muss auf Wikifunctions vorhanden sein und derzeit ein HTML-Fragment zurückgeben. In diesem Beispiel wählen wir die Funktion "Zeichenkette zu HTML", da wir damit entweder eine Zeichenkette eingeben oder eine Funktion auswählen können, die eine Zeichenkette erzeugt. [[file:aw-tutorial-step-7.png|center|frameless|800px|Ausgewählte Funktion "Zeichenkette zu HTML"]] Wir haben nun eine Funktion ausgewählt. Wir erhalten Felder für die Argumente. Anstatt eine Zeichenkette einzugeben, möchten wir eine weitere Funktion hinzufügen. [[file:aw-tutorial-step-8.png|center|frameless|800px|Ändern des Modus des Arguments]] <span lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr">In order to do so, we change the mode of the argument named string by clicking on the three dots next to string. This allows us to change from the current mode, literal, to a function call.</span> [[file:aw-tutorial-step-9.png|center|frameless|800px|Die innere Funktion auswählen]] Hier können wir nun eine Funktion auswählen, die eine Zeichenkette zurückgibt. [[file:aw-tutorial-step-10.png|center|frameless|800px|Wählen eine Funktion, die einen String zurückgibt.]] <span lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr">We select the function "Article-less instantiating fragment" -- a function that creates sentences such as "Paris is a city." Note that selecting the function “Article-less instantiating HTML fragment” would have allowed us to skip using the function “string to HTML fragment”.</span> [[file:aw-tutorial-step-10.png|center|frameless|800px|Argumente für die artikellose Instanziierung von Fragmentfunktionen]] <span lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr">Now we see the arguments for this function. We also get automatically fitting arguments filled in. This leads to the sentence "Paris is a Paris.", because the arguments "entity" and "class" both get prefilled with the item we are writing about.</span> [[file:aw-tutorial-step-11.png|center|frameless|800px|Ändern des Modus des Arguments "class"]] <span lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr">We need to change the mode on the "class" argument from the automatically filled value (an Argument reference) to a literal.</span> [[file:aw-tutorial-step-12.png|center|frameless|800px|<span lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr">Changed the mode of "class" to literal.</span>]] Damit haben wir nun ein Feld, um einen Wikidata-Eintrag für den Wert des Arguments "class" auszuwählen. [[file:aw-tutorial-step-13.png|center|frameless|800px|Auswahl der Stadt als Klassenargument]] Wir wählen den Eintrag „Stadt“ als Klassenargument aus. [[file:aw-tutorial-step-14.png|center|frameless|800px|Der erste Satz ist erstellt.]] Sobald dies ausgewählt ist, sollte der erste Satz des Artikels fertig sein. Jetzt kannst Du auf „Veröffentlichen“ klicken und eine erste Version des Artikels ist verfügbar. Anschließend kannst Du auf „Bearbeiten“ klicken, um weitere Informationen hinzuzufügen. <span id="This_is_far_too_complicated!"></span> == Das ist viel zu kompliziert! == Ja, einverstanden. Es gibt zwei Möglichkeiten, dies zu vereinfachen: * die Benutzerfreundlichkeit verbessern * den Funktionskatalog verbessern Während sich das Entwicklungsteam der Wikimedia Foundation auf den ersten Ansatz konzentriert (und UX-Ideen stets begrüßt), kann die Community an einem umfassenderen und benutzerfreundlicheren Funktionskatalog in Wikifunctions arbeiten. Hierbei zeigt sich, dass die Benennung von Funktionen und Argumenten wichtig ist und dass wir im obigen Ablauf möglichst viele Funktionen vermeiden sollten, die einen Datentyp in einen anderen umwandeln. Aber ja, am wichtigsten ist, dass sich Abstrakte Wikipedia derzeit in einer frühen öffentlichen Beta-Phase befindet und das Erstellen und Bearbeiten von Artikeln momentan schwierig ist. Wir müssen alle zusammenarbeiten, um dies zu verbessern. Wenn Du Ideen für neue Funktionen hast, schlage diese bitte unter [[Abstract Wikipedia:Suggested functions|Vorgeschlagene Funktionen]] vor. <span id="See_also"></span> == Siehe auch == * [[Abstract Wikipedia:Useful functions for article composition]] [[category:help{{#translation:}}]] 74npqj6rssgq46b3ewnhxeplrnavapp 6716 6714 2026-04-24T07:47:17Z Ameisenigel 31 6716 wikitext text/x-wiki <languages/> In der Abstrakten Wikipedia kannst du nur Artikel zu Themen erstellen, die bereits ein Wikidata-Datenobjekt haben. Falls das Thema noch nicht in Wikidata existiert, was du über die [[d:special:search|Suche]] feststellen kannst, befolge [[d:Special:MyLanguage/help:items#Creating a new item|diese Hilfeseite]], um ein neues Datenobjekt dafür zu erstellen. <span id="Steps"></span> == Schritte == Um einen Artikel zu erstellen, kannst du auf [[Special:CreateAbstract|Einen neuen Abstrakten Artikel erstellen]] gehen. [[file:aw-tutorial-step-1.png|center|frameless|800px|Wähle ein Thema aus]] Gib ein Thema ein und klicke auf „Erstellen“. [[file:aw-tutorial-step-2.png|center|frameless|800px|Leerer abstrakter Artikel]] Du gelangst zu einem neuen Bildschirm. Auf der rechten Seite siehst Du die Vorschau in der ausgewählten Sprache, auf der linken Seite den zusammenfassenden Inhalt. [[file:aw-tutorial-step-3.png|center|frameless|800px|Klicke auf das Pluszeichen, um ein Fragment hinzuzufügen.]] Klicke im linken Bereich auf die Plus-Schaltfläche, um ein neues Fragment hinzuzufügen. Zunächst fügen wir ein leeres Fragment hinzu. [[file:aw-tutorial-step-4.png|center|frameless|800px|Ein leeres Fragment]] Das sieht dann so aus und zeigt einen Funktionsaufruf, ohne dass eine Funktion ausgewählt ist. Wir klicken auf das Symbol neben dem roten Text „Funktion auswählen“. [[file:aw-tutorial-step-5.png|center|frameless|800px|Funktionsauswahl geöffnet]] Dadurch wird die Funktionsauswahl geöffnet. [[file:aw-tutorial-step-6.png|center|frameless|800px|Eine Funktion auswählen]] Wir wählen eine Funktion aus. Diese muss auf Wikifunctions vorhanden sein und derzeit ein HTML-Fragment zurückgeben. In diesem Beispiel wählen wir die Funktion "Zeichenkette zu HTML", da wir damit entweder eine Zeichenkette eingeben oder eine Funktion auswählen können, die eine Zeichenkette erzeugt. [[file:aw-tutorial-step-7.png|center|frameless|800px|Ausgewählte Funktion "Zeichenkette zu HTML"]] Wir haben nun eine Funktion ausgewählt. Wir erhalten Felder für die Argumente. Anstatt eine Zeichenkette einzugeben, möchten wir eine weitere Funktion hinzufügen. [[file:aw-tutorial-step-8.png|center|frameless|800px|Ändern des Modus des Arguments]] <span lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr">In order to do so, we change the mode of the argument named string by clicking on the three dots next to string. This allows us to change from the current mode, literal, to a function call.</span> [[file:aw-tutorial-step-9.png|center|frameless|800px|Die innere Funktion auswählen]] Hier können wir nun eine Funktion auswählen, die eine Zeichenkette zurückgibt. [[file:aw-tutorial-step-10.png|center|frameless|800px|Eine Funktion auswählen, die eine Zeichenkette zurückgibt]] <span lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr">We select the function "Article-less instantiating fragment" -- a function that creates sentences such as "Paris is a city." Note that selecting the function “Article-less instantiating HTML fragment” would have allowed us to skip using the function “string to HTML fragment”.</span> [[file:aw-tutorial-step-10.png|center|frameless|800px|Argumente für die artikellose Instanziierung von Fragmentfunktionen]] <span lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr">Now we see the arguments for this function. We also get automatically fitting arguments filled in. This leads to the sentence "Paris is a Paris.", because the arguments "entity" and "class" both get prefilled with the item we are writing about.</span> [[file:aw-tutorial-step-11.png|center|frameless|800px|Ändern des Modus des Arguments "class"]] <span lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr">We need to change the mode on the "class" argument from the automatically filled value (an Argument reference) to a literal.</span> [[file:aw-tutorial-step-12.png|center|frameless|800px|<span lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr">Changed the mode of "class" to literal.</span>]] Damit haben wir nun ein Feld, um einen Wikidata-Eintrag für den Wert des Arguments "class" auszuwählen. [[file:aw-tutorial-step-13.png|center|frameless|800px|Auswahl der Stadt als Klassenargument]] Wir wählen den Eintrag „Stadt“ als Klassenargument aus. [[file:aw-tutorial-step-14.png|center|frameless|800px|Der erste Satz ist erstellt.]] Sobald dies ausgewählt ist, sollte der erste Satz des Artikels fertig sein. Jetzt kannst Du auf „Veröffentlichen“ klicken und eine erste Version des Artikels ist verfügbar. Anschließend kannst Du auf „Bearbeiten“ klicken, um weitere Informationen hinzuzufügen. <span id="This_is_far_too_complicated!"></span> == Das ist viel zu kompliziert! == Ja, einverstanden. Es gibt zwei Möglichkeiten, dies zu vereinfachen: * die Benutzerfreundlichkeit verbessern * den Funktionskatalog verbessern Während sich das Entwicklungsteam der Wikimedia Foundation auf den ersten Ansatz konzentriert (und UX-Ideen stets begrüßt), kann die Community an einem umfassenderen und benutzerfreundlicheren Funktionskatalog in Wikifunctions arbeiten. Hierbei zeigt sich, dass die Benennung von Funktionen und Argumenten wichtig ist und dass wir im obigen Ablauf möglichst viele Funktionen vermeiden sollten, die einen Datentyp in einen anderen umwandeln. Aber ja, am wichtigsten ist, dass sich Abstrakte Wikipedia derzeit in einer frühen öffentlichen Beta-Phase befindet und das Erstellen und Bearbeiten von Artikeln momentan schwierig ist. Wir müssen alle zusammenarbeiten, um dies zu verbessern. Wenn Du Ideen für neue Funktionen hast, schlage diese bitte unter [[Abstract Wikipedia:Suggested functions|Vorgeschlagene Funktionen]] vor. <span id="See_also"></span> == Siehe auch == * [[Abstract Wikipedia:Useful functions for article composition]] [[category:help{{#translation:}}]] 9ysj8lis7u0isp5ve8rgmyhe1b99yie 6718 6716 2026-04-24T07:48:38Z Ameisenigel 31 Created page with "Dazu ändern wir den Modus des Arguments mit dem Namen Zeichenkette, indem wir auf die drei Punkte neben Zeichenkette klicken. Dadurch können wir vom aktuellen Modus Literal zu einem Funktionsaufruf wechseln." 6718 wikitext text/x-wiki <languages/> In der Abstrakten Wikipedia kannst du nur Artikel zu Themen erstellen, die bereits ein Wikidata-Datenobjekt haben. Falls das Thema noch nicht in Wikidata existiert, was du über die [[d:special:search|Suche]] feststellen kannst, befolge [[d:Special:MyLanguage/help:items#Creating a new item|diese Hilfeseite]], um ein neues Datenobjekt dafür zu erstellen. <span id="Steps"></span> == Schritte == Um einen Artikel zu erstellen, kannst du auf [[Special:CreateAbstract|Einen neuen Abstrakten Artikel erstellen]] gehen. [[file:aw-tutorial-step-1.png|center|frameless|800px|Wähle ein Thema aus]] Gib ein Thema ein und klicke auf „Erstellen“. [[file:aw-tutorial-step-2.png|center|frameless|800px|Leerer abstrakter Artikel]] Du gelangst zu einem neuen Bildschirm. Auf der rechten Seite siehst Du die Vorschau in der ausgewählten Sprache, auf der linken Seite den zusammenfassenden Inhalt. [[file:aw-tutorial-step-3.png|center|frameless|800px|Klicke auf das Pluszeichen, um ein Fragment hinzuzufügen.]] Klicke im linken Bereich auf die Plus-Schaltfläche, um ein neues Fragment hinzuzufügen. Zunächst fügen wir ein leeres Fragment hinzu. [[file:aw-tutorial-step-4.png|center|frameless|800px|Ein leeres Fragment]] Das sieht dann so aus und zeigt einen Funktionsaufruf, ohne dass eine Funktion ausgewählt ist. Wir klicken auf das Symbol neben dem roten Text „Funktion auswählen“. [[file:aw-tutorial-step-5.png|center|frameless|800px|Funktionsauswahl geöffnet]] Dadurch wird die Funktionsauswahl geöffnet. [[file:aw-tutorial-step-6.png|center|frameless|800px|Eine Funktion auswählen]] Wir wählen eine Funktion aus. Diese muss auf Wikifunctions vorhanden sein und derzeit ein HTML-Fragment zurückgeben. In diesem Beispiel wählen wir die Funktion "Zeichenkette zu HTML", da wir damit entweder eine Zeichenkette eingeben oder eine Funktion auswählen können, die eine Zeichenkette erzeugt. [[file:aw-tutorial-step-7.png|center|frameless|800px|Ausgewählte Funktion "Zeichenkette zu HTML"]] Wir haben nun eine Funktion ausgewählt. Wir erhalten Felder für die Argumente. Anstatt eine Zeichenkette einzugeben, möchten wir eine weitere Funktion hinzufügen. [[file:aw-tutorial-step-8.png|center|frameless|800px|Ändern des Modus des Arguments]] Dazu ändern wir den Modus des Arguments mit dem Namen Zeichenkette, indem wir auf die drei Punkte neben Zeichenkette klicken. Dadurch können wir vom aktuellen Modus Literal zu einem Funktionsaufruf wechseln. [[file:aw-tutorial-step-9.png|center|frameless|800px|Die innere Funktion auswählen]] Hier können wir nun eine Funktion auswählen, die eine Zeichenkette zurückgibt. [[file:aw-tutorial-step-10.png|center|frameless|800px|Eine Funktion auswählen, die eine Zeichenkette zurückgibt]] <span lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr">We select the function "Article-less instantiating fragment" -- a function that creates sentences such as "Paris is a city." Note that selecting the function “Article-less instantiating HTML fragment” would have allowed us to skip using the function “string to HTML fragment”.</span> [[file:aw-tutorial-step-10.png|center|frameless|800px|Argumente für die artikellose Instanziierung von Fragmentfunktionen]] <span lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr">Now we see the arguments for this function. We also get automatically fitting arguments filled in. This leads to the sentence "Paris is a Paris.", because the arguments "entity" and "class" both get prefilled with the item we are writing about.</span> [[file:aw-tutorial-step-11.png|center|frameless|800px|Ändern des Modus des Arguments "class"]] <span lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr">We need to change the mode on the "class" argument from the automatically filled value (an Argument reference) to a literal.</span> [[file:aw-tutorial-step-12.png|center|frameless|800px|<span lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr">Changed the mode of "class" to literal.</span>]] Damit haben wir nun ein Feld, um einen Wikidata-Eintrag für den Wert des Arguments "class" auszuwählen. [[file:aw-tutorial-step-13.png|center|frameless|800px|Auswahl der Stadt als Klassenargument]] Wir wählen den Eintrag „Stadt“ als Klassenargument aus. [[file:aw-tutorial-step-14.png|center|frameless|800px|Der erste Satz ist erstellt.]] Sobald dies ausgewählt ist, sollte der erste Satz des Artikels fertig sein. Jetzt kannst Du auf „Veröffentlichen“ klicken und eine erste Version des Artikels ist verfügbar. Anschließend kannst Du auf „Bearbeiten“ klicken, um weitere Informationen hinzuzufügen. <span id="This_is_far_too_complicated!"></span> == Das ist viel zu kompliziert! == Ja, einverstanden. Es gibt zwei Möglichkeiten, dies zu vereinfachen: * die Benutzerfreundlichkeit verbessern * den Funktionskatalog verbessern Während sich das Entwicklungsteam der Wikimedia Foundation auf den ersten Ansatz konzentriert (und UX-Ideen stets begrüßt), kann die Community an einem umfassenderen und benutzerfreundlicheren Funktionskatalog in Wikifunctions arbeiten. Hierbei zeigt sich, dass die Benennung von Funktionen und Argumenten wichtig ist und dass wir im obigen Ablauf möglichst viele Funktionen vermeiden sollten, die einen Datentyp in einen anderen umwandeln. Aber ja, am wichtigsten ist, dass sich Abstrakte Wikipedia derzeit in einer frühen öffentlichen Beta-Phase befindet und das Erstellen und Bearbeiten von Artikeln momentan schwierig ist. Wir müssen alle zusammenarbeiten, um dies zu verbessern. Wenn Du Ideen für neue Funktionen hast, schlage diese bitte unter [[Abstract Wikipedia:Suggested functions|Vorgeschlagene Funktionen]] vor. <span id="See_also"></span> == Siehe auch == * [[Abstract Wikipedia:Useful functions for article composition]] [[category:help{{#translation:}}]] swzkl61ti9457vtk6m4xmgs20fve4ty 6720 6718 2026-04-24T07:49:24Z Ameisenigel 31 6720 wikitext text/x-wiki <languages/> In der Abstrakten Wikipedia kannst du nur Artikel zu Themen erstellen, die bereits ein Wikidata-Datenobjekt haben. Falls das Thema noch nicht in Wikidata existiert, was du über die [[d:special:search|Suche]] feststellen kannst, befolge [[d:Special:MyLanguage/help:items#Creating a new item|diese Hilfeseite]], um ein neues Datenobjekt dafür zu erstellen. <span id="Steps"></span> == Schritte == Um einen Artikel zu erstellen, kannst du auf [[Special:CreateAbstract|Einen neuen Abstrakten Artikel erstellen]] gehen. [[file:aw-tutorial-step-1.png|center|frameless|800px|Wähle ein Thema aus]] Gib ein Thema ein und klicke auf „Erstellen“. [[file:aw-tutorial-step-2.png|center|frameless|800px|Leerer abstrakter Artikel]] Du gelangst zu einem neuen Bildschirm. Auf der rechten Seite siehst Du die Vorschau in der ausgewählten Sprache, auf der linken Seite den zusammenfassenden Inhalt. [[file:aw-tutorial-step-3.png|center|frameless|800px|Klicke auf das Pluszeichen, um ein Fragment hinzuzufügen.]] Klicke im linken Bereich auf die Plus-Schaltfläche, um ein neues Fragment hinzuzufügen. Zunächst fügen wir ein leeres Fragment hinzu. [[file:aw-tutorial-step-4.png|center|frameless|800px|Ein leeres Fragment]] Das sieht dann so aus und zeigt einen Funktionsaufruf, ohne dass eine Funktion ausgewählt ist. Wir klicken auf das Symbol neben dem roten Text „Funktion auswählen“. [[file:aw-tutorial-step-5.png|center|frameless|800px|Funktionsauswahl geöffnet]] Dadurch wird die Funktionsauswahl geöffnet. [[file:aw-tutorial-step-6.png|center|frameless|800px|Eine Funktion auswählen]] Wir wählen eine Funktion aus. Diese muss auf Wikifunctions vorhanden sein und derzeit ein HTML-Fragment zurückgeben. In diesem Beispiel wählen wir die Funktion "Zeichenkette zu HTML", da wir damit entweder eine Zeichenkette eingeben oder eine Funktion auswählen können, die eine Zeichenkette erzeugt. [[file:aw-tutorial-step-7.png|center|frameless|800px|Ausgewählte Funktion "Zeichenkette zu HTML"]] Wir haben nun eine Funktion ausgewählt. Wir erhalten Felder für die Argumente. Anstatt eine Zeichenkette einzugeben, möchten wir eine weitere Funktion hinzufügen. [[file:aw-tutorial-step-8.png|center|frameless|800px|Ändern des Modus des Arguments]] Dazu ändern wir den Modus des Arguments mit dem Namen Zeichenkette, indem wir auf die drei Punkte neben Zeichenkette klicken. Dadurch können wir vom aktuellen Modus Literal zu einem Funktionsaufruf wechseln. [[file:aw-tutorial-step-9.png|center|frameless|800px|Die innere Funktion auswählen]] Hier können wir nun eine Funktion auswählen, die eine Zeichenkette zurückgibt. [[file:aw-tutorial-step-10.png|center|frameless|800px|Eine Funktion auswählen, die eine Zeichenkette zurückgibt]] <span lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr">We select the function "Article-less instantiating fragment" -- a function that creates sentences such as "Paris is a city." Note that selecting the function “Article-less instantiating HTML fragment” would have allowed us to skip using the function “string to HTML fragment”.</span> [[file:aw-tutorial-step-10.png|center|frameless|800px|Argumente für die artikellose Instanziierung von Fragmentfunktionen]] <span lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr">Now we see the arguments for this function. We also get automatically fitting arguments filled in. This leads to the sentence "Paris is a Paris.", because the arguments "entity" and "class" both get prefilled with the item we are writing about.</span> [[file:aw-tutorial-step-11.png|center|frameless|800px|Ändern des Modus des Arguments "Klasse"]] <span lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr">We need to change the mode on the "class" argument from the automatically filled value (an Argument reference) to a literal.</span> [[file:aw-tutorial-step-12.png|center|frameless|800px|<span lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr">Changed the mode of "class" to literal.</span>]] Damit haben wir nun ein Feld, um einen Wikidata-Eintrag für den Wert des Arguments "class" auszuwählen. [[file:aw-tutorial-step-13.png|center|frameless|800px|Auswahl der Stadt als Klassenargument]] Wir wählen den Eintrag „Stadt“ als Klassenargument aus. [[file:aw-tutorial-step-14.png|center|frameless|800px|Der erste Satz ist erstellt.]] Sobald dies ausgewählt ist, sollte der erste Satz des Artikels fertig sein. Jetzt kannst Du auf „Veröffentlichen“ klicken und eine erste Version des Artikels ist verfügbar. Anschließend kannst Du auf „Bearbeiten“ klicken, um weitere Informationen hinzuzufügen. <span id="This_is_far_too_complicated!"></span> == Das ist viel zu kompliziert! == Ja, einverstanden. Es gibt zwei Möglichkeiten, dies zu vereinfachen: * die Benutzerfreundlichkeit verbessern * den Funktionskatalog verbessern Während sich das Entwicklungsteam der Wikimedia Foundation auf den ersten Ansatz konzentriert (und UX-Ideen stets begrüßt), kann die Community an einem umfassenderen und benutzerfreundlicheren Funktionskatalog in Wikifunctions arbeiten. Hierbei zeigt sich, dass die Benennung von Funktionen und Argumenten wichtig ist und dass wir im obigen Ablauf möglichst viele Funktionen vermeiden sollten, die einen Datentyp in einen anderen umwandeln. Aber ja, am wichtigsten ist, dass sich Abstrakte Wikipedia derzeit in einer frühen öffentlichen Beta-Phase befindet und das Erstellen und Bearbeiten von Artikeln momentan schwierig ist. Wir müssen alle zusammenarbeiten, um dies zu verbessern. Wenn Du Ideen für neue Funktionen hast, schlage diese bitte unter [[Abstract Wikipedia:Suggested functions|Vorgeschlagene Funktionen]] vor. <span id="See_also"></span> == Siehe auch == * [[Abstract Wikipedia:Useful functions for article composition]] [[category:help{{#translation:}}]] 4tndpxgnixwcmpr5xzuq2g8sy9lzlqe 6722 6720 2026-04-24T07:49:49Z Ameisenigel 31 6722 wikitext text/x-wiki <languages/> In der Abstrakten Wikipedia kannst du nur Artikel zu Themen erstellen, die bereits ein Wikidata-Datenobjekt haben. Falls das Thema noch nicht in Wikidata existiert, was du über die [[d:special:search|Suche]] feststellen kannst, befolge [[d:Special:MyLanguage/help:items#Creating a new item|diese Hilfeseite]], um ein neues Datenobjekt dafür zu erstellen. <span id="Steps"></span> == Schritte == Um einen Artikel zu erstellen, kannst du auf [[Special:CreateAbstract|Einen neuen Abstrakten Artikel erstellen]] gehen. [[file:aw-tutorial-step-1.png|center|frameless|800px|Wähle ein Thema aus]] Gib ein Thema ein und klicke auf „Erstellen“. [[file:aw-tutorial-step-2.png|center|frameless|800px|Leerer abstrakter Artikel]] Du gelangst zu einem neuen Bildschirm. Auf der rechten Seite siehst Du die Vorschau in der ausgewählten Sprache, auf der linken Seite den zusammenfassenden Inhalt. [[file:aw-tutorial-step-3.png|center|frameless|800px|Klicke auf das Pluszeichen, um ein Fragment hinzuzufügen.]] Klicke im linken Bereich auf die Plus-Schaltfläche, um ein neues Fragment hinzuzufügen. Zunächst fügen wir ein leeres Fragment hinzu. [[file:aw-tutorial-step-4.png|center|frameless|800px|Ein leeres Fragment]] Das sieht dann so aus und zeigt einen Funktionsaufruf, ohne dass eine Funktion ausgewählt ist. Wir klicken auf das Symbol neben dem roten Text „Funktion auswählen“. [[file:aw-tutorial-step-5.png|center|frameless|800px|Funktionsauswahl geöffnet]] Dadurch wird die Funktionsauswahl geöffnet. [[file:aw-tutorial-step-6.png|center|frameless|800px|Eine Funktion auswählen]] Wir wählen eine Funktion aus. Diese muss auf Wikifunctions vorhanden sein und derzeit ein HTML-Fragment zurückgeben. In diesem Beispiel wählen wir die Funktion "Zeichenkette zu HTML", da wir damit entweder eine Zeichenkette eingeben oder eine Funktion auswählen können, die eine Zeichenkette erzeugt. [[file:aw-tutorial-step-7.png|center|frameless|800px|Ausgewählte Funktion "Zeichenkette zu HTML"]] Wir haben nun eine Funktion ausgewählt. Wir erhalten Felder für die Argumente. Anstatt eine Zeichenkette einzugeben, möchten wir eine weitere Funktion hinzufügen. [[file:aw-tutorial-step-8.png|center|frameless|800px|Ändern des Modus des Arguments]] Dazu ändern wir den Modus des Arguments mit dem Namen Zeichenkette, indem wir auf die drei Punkte neben Zeichenkette klicken. Dadurch können wir vom aktuellen Modus Literal zu einem Funktionsaufruf wechseln. [[file:aw-tutorial-step-9.png|center|frameless|800px|Die innere Funktion auswählen]] Hier können wir nun eine Funktion auswählen, die eine Zeichenkette zurückgibt. [[file:aw-tutorial-step-10.png|center|frameless|800px|Eine Funktion auswählen, die eine Zeichenkette zurückgibt]] <span lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr">We select the function "Article-less instantiating fragment" -- a function that creates sentences such as "Paris is a city." Note that selecting the function “Article-less instantiating HTML fragment” would have allowed us to skip using the function “string to HTML fragment”.</span> [[file:aw-tutorial-step-10.png|center|frameless|800px|Argumente für die artikellose Instanziierung von Fragmentfunktionen]] <span lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr">Now we see the arguments for this function. We also get automatically fitting arguments filled in. This leads to the sentence "Paris is a Paris.", because the arguments "entity" and "class" both get prefilled with the item we are writing about.</span> [[file:aw-tutorial-step-11.png|center|frameless|800px|Ändern des Modus des Arguments "Klasse"]] <span lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr">We need to change the mode on the "class" argument from the automatically filled value (an Argument reference) to a literal.</span> [[file:aw-tutorial-step-12.png|center|frameless|800px|<span lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr">Changed the mode of "class" to literal.</span>]] Damit haben wir nun ein Feld, um ein Wikidata-Datenobjekt für den Wert des Arguments "Klasse" auszuwählen. [[file:aw-tutorial-step-13.png|center|frameless|800px|Auswahl der Stadt als Klassenargument]] Wir wählen den Eintrag „Stadt“ als Klassenargument aus. [[file:aw-tutorial-step-14.png|center|frameless|800px|Der erste Satz ist erstellt.]] Sobald dies ausgewählt ist, sollte der erste Satz des Artikels fertig sein. Jetzt kannst Du auf „Veröffentlichen“ klicken und eine erste Version des Artikels ist verfügbar. Anschließend kannst Du auf „Bearbeiten“ klicken, um weitere Informationen hinzuzufügen. <span id="This_is_far_too_complicated!"></span> == Das ist viel zu kompliziert! == Ja, einverstanden. Es gibt zwei Möglichkeiten, dies zu vereinfachen: * die Benutzerfreundlichkeit verbessern * den Funktionskatalog verbessern Während sich das Entwicklungsteam der Wikimedia Foundation auf den ersten Ansatz konzentriert (und UX-Ideen stets begrüßt), kann die Community an einem umfassenderen und benutzerfreundlicheren Funktionskatalog in Wikifunctions arbeiten. Hierbei zeigt sich, dass die Benennung von Funktionen und Argumenten wichtig ist und dass wir im obigen Ablauf möglichst viele Funktionen vermeiden sollten, die einen Datentyp in einen anderen umwandeln. Aber ja, am wichtigsten ist, dass sich Abstrakte Wikipedia derzeit in einer frühen öffentlichen Beta-Phase befindet und das Erstellen und Bearbeiten von Artikeln momentan schwierig ist. Wir müssen alle zusammenarbeiten, um dies zu verbessern. Wenn Du Ideen für neue Funktionen hast, schlage diese bitte unter [[Abstract Wikipedia:Suggested functions|Vorgeschlagene Funktionen]] vor. <span id="See_also"></span> == Siehe auch == * [[Abstract Wikipedia:Useful functions for article composition]] [[category:help{{#translation:}}]] bk7sk2jpjwz6i2ibms2o7u37ftiq6ha 6724 6722 2026-04-24T07:50:05Z Ameisenigel 31 6724 wikitext text/x-wiki <languages/> In der Abstrakten Wikipedia kannst du nur Artikel zu Themen erstellen, die bereits ein Wikidata-Datenobjekt haben. Falls das Thema noch nicht in Wikidata existiert, was du über die [[d:special:search|Suche]] feststellen kannst, befolge [[d:Special:MyLanguage/help:items#Creating a new item|diese Hilfeseite]], um ein neues Datenobjekt dafür zu erstellen. <span id="Steps"></span> == Schritte == Um einen Artikel zu erstellen, kannst du auf [[Special:CreateAbstract|Einen neuen Abstrakten Artikel erstellen]] gehen. [[file:aw-tutorial-step-1.png|center|frameless|800px|Wähle ein Thema aus]] Gib ein Thema ein und klicke auf „Erstellen“. [[file:aw-tutorial-step-2.png|center|frameless|800px|Leerer abstrakter Artikel]] Du gelangst zu einem neuen Bildschirm. Auf der rechten Seite siehst Du die Vorschau in der ausgewählten Sprache, auf der linken Seite den zusammenfassenden Inhalt. [[file:aw-tutorial-step-3.png|center|frameless|800px|Klicke auf das Pluszeichen, um ein Fragment hinzuzufügen.]] Klicke im linken Bereich auf die Plus-Schaltfläche, um ein neues Fragment hinzuzufügen. Zunächst fügen wir ein leeres Fragment hinzu. [[file:aw-tutorial-step-4.png|center|frameless|800px|Ein leeres Fragment]] Das sieht dann so aus und zeigt einen Funktionsaufruf, ohne dass eine Funktion ausgewählt ist. Wir klicken auf das Symbol neben dem roten Text „Funktion auswählen“. [[file:aw-tutorial-step-5.png|center|frameless|800px|Funktionsauswahl geöffnet]] Dadurch wird die Funktionsauswahl geöffnet. [[file:aw-tutorial-step-6.png|center|frameless|800px|Eine Funktion auswählen]] Wir wählen eine Funktion aus. Diese muss auf Wikifunctions vorhanden sein und derzeit ein HTML-Fragment zurückgeben. In diesem Beispiel wählen wir die Funktion "Zeichenkette zu HTML", da wir damit entweder eine Zeichenkette eingeben oder eine Funktion auswählen können, die eine Zeichenkette erzeugt. [[file:aw-tutorial-step-7.png|center|frameless|800px|Ausgewählte Funktion "Zeichenkette zu HTML"]] Wir haben nun eine Funktion ausgewählt. Wir erhalten Felder für die Argumente. Anstatt eine Zeichenkette einzugeben, möchten wir eine weitere Funktion hinzufügen. [[file:aw-tutorial-step-8.png|center|frameless|800px|Ändern des Modus des Arguments]] Dazu ändern wir den Modus des Arguments mit dem Namen Zeichenkette, indem wir auf die drei Punkte neben Zeichenkette klicken. Dadurch können wir vom aktuellen Modus Literal zu einem Funktionsaufruf wechseln. [[file:aw-tutorial-step-9.png|center|frameless|800px|Die innere Funktion auswählen]] Hier können wir nun eine Funktion auswählen, die eine Zeichenkette zurückgibt. [[file:aw-tutorial-step-10.png|center|frameless|800px|Eine Funktion auswählen, die eine Zeichenkette zurückgibt]] <span lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr">We select the function "Article-less instantiating fragment" -- a function that creates sentences such as "Paris is a city." Note that selecting the function “Article-less instantiating HTML fragment” would have allowed us to skip using the function “string to HTML fragment”.</span> [[file:aw-tutorial-step-10.png|center|frameless|800px|Argumente für die artikellose Instanziierung von Fragmentfunktionen]] <span lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr">Now we see the arguments for this function. We also get automatically fitting arguments filled in. This leads to the sentence "Paris is a Paris.", because the arguments "entity" and "class" both get prefilled with the item we are writing about.</span> [[file:aw-tutorial-step-11.png|center|frameless|800px|Ändern des Modus des Arguments "Klasse"]] <span lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr">We need to change the mode on the "class" argument from the automatically filled value (an Argument reference) to a literal.</span> [[file:aw-tutorial-step-12.png|center|frameless|800px|<span lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr">Changed the mode of "class" to literal.</span>]] Damit haben wir nun ein Feld, um ein Wikidata-Datenobjekt für den Wert des Arguments "Klasse" auszuwählen. [[file:aw-tutorial-step-13.png|center|frameless|800px|Auswahl der Stadt als Klassenargument]] Wir wählen das Datenobjekt „Stadt“ als Klassenargument aus. [[file:aw-tutorial-step-14.png|center|frameless|800px|Der erste Satz ist erstellt.]] Sobald dies ausgewählt ist, sollte der erste Satz des Artikels fertig sein. Jetzt kannst Du auf „Veröffentlichen“ klicken und eine erste Version des Artikels ist verfügbar. Anschließend kannst Du auf „Bearbeiten“ klicken, um weitere Informationen hinzuzufügen. <span id="This_is_far_too_complicated!"></span> == Das ist viel zu kompliziert! == Ja, einverstanden. Es gibt zwei Möglichkeiten, dies zu vereinfachen: * die Benutzerfreundlichkeit verbessern * den Funktionskatalog verbessern Während sich das Entwicklungsteam der Wikimedia Foundation auf den ersten Ansatz konzentriert (und UX-Ideen stets begrüßt), kann die Community an einem umfassenderen und benutzerfreundlicheren Funktionskatalog in Wikifunctions arbeiten. Hierbei zeigt sich, dass die Benennung von Funktionen und Argumenten wichtig ist und dass wir im obigen Ablauf möglichst viele Funktionen vermeiden sollten, die einen Datentyp in einen anderen umwandeln. Aber ja, am wichtigsten ist, dass sich Abstrakte Wikipedia derzeit in einer frühen öffentlichen Beta-Phase befindet und das Erstellen und Bearbeiten von Artikeln momentan schwierig ist. Wir müssen alle zusammenarbeiten, um dies zu verbessern. Wenn Du Ideen für neue Funktionen hast, schlage diese bitte unter [[Abstract Wikipedia:Suggested functions|Vorgeschlagene Funktionen]] vor. <span id="See_also"></span> == Siehe auch == * [[Abstract Wikipedia:Useful functions for article composition]] [[category:help{{#translation:}}]] nty3oi2bw4et62g2ldk9ceob4uwf49m 6726 6724 2026-04-24T07:51:25Z Ameisenigel 31 6726 wikitext text/x-wiki <languages/> In der Abstrakten Wikipedia kannst du nur Artikel zu Themen erstellen, die bereits ein Wikidata-Datenobjekt haben. Falls das Thema noch nicht in Wikidata existiert, was du über die [[d:special:search|Suche]] feststellen kannst, befolge [[d:Special:MyLanguage/help:items#Creating a new item|diese Hilfeseite]], um ein neues Datenobjekt dafür zu erstellen. <span id="Steps"></span> == Schritte == Um einen Artikel zu erstellen, kannst du auf [[Special:CreateAbstract|Einen neuen Abstrakten Artikel erstellen]] gehen. [[file:aw-tutorial-step-1.png|center|frameless|800px|Wähle ein Thema aus]] Gib ein Thema ein und klicke auf „Erstellen“. [[file:aw-tutorial-step-2.png|center|frameless|800px|Leerer abstrakter Artikel]] Du gelangst zu einem neuen Bildschirm. Auf der rechten Seite siehst Du die Vorschau in der ausgewählten Sprache, auf der linken Seite den zusammenfassenden Inhalt. [[file:aw-tutorial-step-3.png|center|frameless|800px|Klicke auf das Pluszeichen, um ein Fragment hinzuzufügen.]] Klicke im linken Bereich auf die Plus-Schaltfläche, um ein neues Fragment hinzuzufügen. Zunächst fügen wir ein leeres Fragment hinzu. [[file:aw-tutorial-step-4.png|center|frameless|800px|Ein leeres Fragment]] Das sieht dann so aus und zeigt einen Funktionsaufruf, ohne dass eine Funktion ausgewählt ist. Wir klicken auf das Symbol neben dem roten Text „Funktion auswählen“. [[file:aw-tutorial-step-5.png|center|frameless|800px|Funktionsauswahl geöffnet]] Dadurch wird die Funktionsauswahl geöffnet. [[file:aw-tutorial-step-6.png|center|frameless|800px|Eine Funktion auswählen]] Wir wählen eine Funktion aus. Diese muss auf Wikifunctions vorhanden sein und derzeit ein HTML-Fragment zurückgeben. In diesem Beispiel wählen wir die Funktion "Zeichenkette zu HTML", da wir damit entweder eine Zeichenkette eingeben oder eine Funktion auswählen können, die eine Zeichenkette erzeugt. [[file:aw-tutorial-step-7.png|center|frameless|800px|Ausgewählte Funktion "Zeichenkette zu HTML"]] Wir haben nun eine Funktion ausgewählt. Wir erhalten Felder für die Argumente. Anstatt eine Zeichenkette einzugeben, möchten wir eine weitere Funktion hinzufügen. [[file:aw-tutorial-step-8.png|center|frameless|800px|Ändern des Modus des Arguments]] Dazu ändern wir den Modus des Arguments mit dem Namen Zeichenkette, indem wir auf die drei Punkte neben Zeichenkette klicken. Dadurch können wir vom aktuellen Modus Literal zu einem Funktionsaufruf wechseln. [[file:aw-tutorial-step-9.png|center|frameless|800px|Die innere Funktion auswählen]] Hier können wir nun eine Funktion auswählen, die eine Zeichenkette zurückgibt. [[file:aw-tutorial-step-10.png|center|frameless|800px|Eine Funktion auswählen, die eine Zeichenkette zurückgibt]] <span lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr">We select the function "Article-less instantiating fragment" -- a function that creates sentences such as "Paris is a city." Note that selecting the function “Article-less instantiating HTML fragment” would have allowed us to skip using the function “string to HTML fragment”.</span> [[file:aw-tutorial-step-10.png|center|frameless|800px|Argumente für die artikellose Instanziierung von Fragmentfunktionen]] <span lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr">Now we see the arguments for this function. We also get automatically fitting arguments filled in. This leads to the sentence "Paris is a Paris.", because the arguments "entity" and "class" both get prefilled with the item we are writing about.</span> [[file:aw-tutorial-step-11.png|center|frameless|800px|Ändern des Modus des Arguments "Klasse"]] <span lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr">We need to change the mode on the "class" argument from the automatically filled value (an Argument reference) to a literal.</span> [[file:aw-tutorial-step-12.png|center|frameless|800px|<span lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr">Changed the mode of "class" to literal.</span>]] Damit haben wir nun ein Feld, um ein Wikidata-Datenobjekt für den Wert des Arguments "Klasse" auszuwählen. [[file:aw-tutorial-step-13.png|center|frameless|800px|Auswahl der Stadt als Klassenargument]] Wir wählen das Datenobjekt „Stadt“ als Klassenargument aus. [[file:aw-tutorial-step-14.png|center|frameless|800px|Der erste Satz ist erstellt.]] Sobald dies ausgewählt ist, sollte der erste Satz des Artikels fertig sein. Jetzt kannst Du auf „Veröffentlichen“ klicken und eine erste Version des Artikels ist verfügbar. Anschließend kannst Du auf „Bearbeiten“ klicken, um weitere Informationen hinzuzufügen. <span id="This_is_far_too_complicated!"></span> == Das ist viel zu kompliziert! == Ja, einverstanden. Es gibt zwei Möglichkeiten, dies zu vereinfachen: * die Benutzerfreundlichkeit verbessern * den Funktionskatalog verbessern Während sich das Entwicklungsteam der Wikimedia Foundation auf den ersten Ansatz konzentriert (und UX-Ideen stets begrüßt), kann die Community an einem umfassenderen und benutzerfreundlicheren Funktionskatalog in Wikifunctions arbeiten. Hierbei zeigt sich, dass die Benennung von Funktionen und Argumenten wichtig ist und dass wir im obigen Ablauf möglichst viele Funktionen vermeiden sollten, die einen Datentyp in einen anderen umwandeln. Aber ja, am wichtigsten ist, dass sich die Abstrakte Wikipedia derzeit in einer frühen öffentlichen Beta-Phase befindet und das Erstellen und Bearbeiten von Artikeln momentan schwierig ist. Wir müssen alle zusammenarbeiten, um dies zu verbessern. Wenn Du Ideen für neue Funktionen hast, schlage diese bitte unter [[Abstract Wikipedia:Suggested functions|Vorgeschlagene Funktionen]] vor. <span id="See_also"></span> == Siehe auch == * [[Abstract Wikipedia:Useful functions for article composition]] [[category:help{{#translation:}}]] 04kcbzxmbwzq84vcjl84g37qm8wxko0 0 2535 6663 6568 2026-04-23T12:14:37Z Some helpful person 2820 6663 abstractwiki text/plain { "qid": "Q8079", "sections": { "Q8776414": { "index": 0, "fragments": [ "Z89", { "Z1K1": "Z7", "Z7K1": "Z27868", "Z27868K1": { "Z1K1": "Z7", "Z7K1": "Z26039", "Z26039K1": { "Z1K1": "Z18", "Z18K1": "Z825K1" }, "Z26039K2": { "Z1K1": "Z6091", "Z6091K1": "Q17589470" }, "Z26039K3": { "Z1K1": "Z18", "Z18K1": "Z825K2" } } }, { "Z1K1": "Z7", "Z7K1": "Z31465", "Z31465K1": "History" }, { "Z1K1": "Z7", "Z7K1": "Z33457", "Z33457K1": { "Z1K1": "Z7", "Z7K1": "Z33185", "Z33185K1": { "Z1K1": "Z6091", "Z6091K1": "Q8093" }, "Z33185K2": { "Z1K1": "Z18", "Z18K1": "Z825K1" }, "Z33185K3": { "Z1K1": "Z6091", "Z6091K1": "Q7562091" }, "Z33185K4": { "Z1K1": "Z18", "Z18K1": "Z825K2" } } }, { "Z1K1": "Z7", "Z7K1": "Z31465", "Z31465K1": "Features" }, { "Z1K1": "Z7", "Z7K1": "Z32410", "Z32410K1": { "Z1K1": "Z7", "Z7K1": "Z23468", "Z23468K1": { "Z1K1": "Z7", "Z7K1": "Z6821", "Z6821K1": { "Z1K1": "Z18", "Z18K1": "Z825K1" } }, "Z23468K2": { "Z1K1": "Z18", "Z18K1": "Z825K2" } }, "Z32410K2": { "Z1K1": "Z7", "Z7K1": "Z23468", "Z23468K1": { "Z1K1": "Z7", "Z7K1": "Z6821", "Z6821K1": { "Z1K1": "Z6091", "Z6091K1": "Q6917780" } }, "Z23468K2": { "Z1K1": "Z18", "Z18K1": "Z825K2" } }, "Z32410K3": { "Z1K1": "Z40", "Z40K1": "Z42" }, "Z32410K4": { "Z1K1": "Z40", "Z40K1": "Z42" }, "Z32410K5": { "Z1K1": "Z40", "Z40K1": "Z42" }, "Z32410K6": { "Z1K1": "Z40", "Z40K1": "Z41" }, "Z32410K7": { "Z1K1": "Z18", "Z18K1": "Z825K1" }, "Z32410K8": { "Z1K1": "Z6091", "Z6091K1": "Q6917780" }, "Z32410K9": { "Z1K1": "Z40", "Z40K1": "Z42" }, "Z32410K10": { "Z1K1": "Z40", "Z40K1": "Z41" }, "Z32410K11": { "Z1K1": "Z40", "Z40K1": "Z41" }, "Z32410K12": { "Z1K1": "Z40", "Z40K1": "Z42" } } ] } } } 8yp8cauu9iq0jihw4znhvq90glfq80o 1198 2544 6725 6588 2026-04-24T07:51:24Z Ameisenigel 31 6725 wikitext text/x-wiki Aber ja, am wichtigsten ist, dass sich die Abstrakte Wikipedia derzeit in einer frühen öffentlichen Beta-Phase befindet und das Erstellen und Bearbeiten von Artikeln momentan schwierig ist. Wir müssen alle zusammenarbeiten, um dies zu verbessern. Wenn Du Ideen für neue Funktionen hast, schlage diese bitte unter [[$1|Vorgeschlagene Funktionen]] vor. if89s5rfo459jfg6cd1g3xxxcdk2jlt 1198 2553 6723 6606 2026-04-24T07:50:04Z Ameisenigel 31 6723 wikitext text/x-wiki Wir wählen das Datenobjekt „Stadt“ als Klassenargument aus. d1dxh4k4khl4ksnnfa7el8mr5w9vt94 1198 2555 6721 6610 2026-04-24T07:49:48Z Ameisenigel 31 6721 wikitext text/x-wiki Damit haben wir nun ein Feld, um ein Wikidata-Datenobjekt für den Wert des Arguments "Klasse" auszuwählen. 0lzrxtbw6co4ose4ov2j3ohafymgpj8 1198 2556 6719 6612 2026-04-24T07:49:23Z Ameisenigel 31 6719 wikitext text/x-wiki Ändern des Modus des Arguments "Klasse" 4nezwapx6bm7crdg4y39kufgqxvqwhf 1198 2569 6715 6642 2026-04-24T07:47:16Z Ameisenigel 31 6715 wikitext text/x-wiki Eine Funktion auswählen, die eine Zeichenkette zurückgibt 0zcqscdhzl4s2d2nid4jiafiivmuc5x 1198 2571 6713 6644 2026-04-24T07:46:30Z Ameisenigel 31 6713 wikitext text/x-wiki Die innere Funktion auswählen 3vtjjtddtb1juefjt1rt9t659409ao9 1 2572 6673 6647 2026-04-23T21:35:54Z Koavf 723 6673 wikitext text/x-wiki == Order of article == Hello! I am interested in this article (because [[:en:Everything Is Tuberculosis|Everything Is Tuberculosis]]), and wanted to edit it, but I'm still fairly new to Abstract Wikipedia. I think that the [[wikifunctions:Z32053|Simple cite web]] (Z32053) should be wrapped in a [[wikifunctions:Z27861|HTML raw content to HTML fragment]] (Z27861), because it just gives an <code>&lt;a&gt;</code> tag right now. Additionally, it should use the actual title of the articles instead of the URL (e.g. property "Title of webpage" of the first citation should be should be <code>Verordnung des EDI über die Meldung von Beobachtungen übertragbarer Krankheiten des Menschen</code>). I'm also not totally sure how the paragraph function works, because I cannot get it to work, but I think that the paragraphs should contain more than one sentence. When I added more function calls to the list, it just gave me an error for some reason. Pinging [[User:Immanuelle]] because {{GENDER:Immanuelle|he|she|they}} seem to be more knowledgeable on this project, and they started this article. --<span style="border-radius:99q;padding:0 7q;background:#103;border:3q solid #FBF; color:#FBF">[[User:QuickQuokka|'''QuickQuokka''']]</span> ^{[⁠[[User talk:QuickQuokka|talk]] • [[Special:Contribs/QuickQuokka|contribs]]]} 07:03, 23 April 2026 (UTC) rwlfh63feoo28t9lkw1u6vvyt4v7uho 6674 6673 2026-04-23T21:36:31Z Koavf 723 fmt 6674 wikitext text/x-wiki == Order of article == Hello! I am interested in this article (because [[:en:Everything Is Tuberculosis|Everything Is Tuberculosis]]), and wanted to edit it, but I'm still fairly new to Abstract Wikipedia. I think that the [[wikifunctions:Z32053|Simple cite web]] (Z32053) should be wrapped in a [[wikifunctions:Z27861|HTML raw content to HTML fragment]] (Z27861), because it just gives an <code>&lt;a&gt;</code> tag right now. Additionally, it should use the actual title of the articles instead of the URL (e.g. property "Title of webpage" of the first citation should be should be <code>Verordnung des EDI über die Meldung von Beobachtungen übertragbarer Krankheiten des Menschen</code>). I'm also not totally sure how the paragraph function works, because I cannot get it to work, but I think that the paragraphs should contain more than one sentence. When I added more function calls to the list, it just gave me an error for some reason. Pinging [[User:Immanuelle]] because {{GENDER:Immanuelle|he|she|they}} seem to be more knowledgeable on this project, and they started this article. --<span style="border-radius:99q;padding:0 7q;background:#103;border:3q solid #FBF; color:#FBF">[[User:QuickQuokka|<span style="color:#FBF">'''QuickQuokka'''</span>]]</span> ^{[⁠[[User talk:QuickQuokka|talk]] • [[Special:Contribs/QuickQuokka|contribs]]]} 07:03, 23 April 2026 (UTC) rc52ab8cqaueerewku8bw37dupeo3gd 0 2577 6672 2026-04-23T17:21:15Z Theki 2698 Created page with "{ "qid": "Q82772", "sections": { "Q8776414": { "index": 0, "fragments": [ "Z89", { "Z1K1": "Z7", "Z7K1": "Z33068", "Z33068K1": [ "Z1", { "Z1K1": "Z7", "Z7K1": "Z26039", "Z26039K1": {..." 6672 abstractwiki text/plain { "qid": "Q82772", "sections": { "Q8776414": { "index": 0, "fragments": [ "Z89", { "Z1K1": "Z7", "Z7K1": "Z33068", "Z33068K1": [ "Z1", { "Z1K1": "Z7", "Z7K1": "Z26039", "Z26039K1": { "Z1K1": "Z18", "Z18K1": "Z825K1" }, "Z26039K2": { "Z1K1": "Z6091", "Z6091K1": "Q190502" }, "Z26039K3": { "Z1K1": "Z18", "Z18K1": "Z825K2" } } ], "Z33068K2": { "Z1K1": "Z18", "Z18K1": "Z825K2" } } ] } } } f2a03lpf7y2kwxh6vyxf2k3c95sba81 3 2578 6675 2026-04-23T21:37:43Z Koavf 723 Created page with "{{subst:welcome}} ~~~~ :Heads up that your signature introduces [[Special:LintErrors/night-mode-unaware-background-color|this error]]. I [https://abstract.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AQ12204&diff=6674&oldid=6647 fixed it] on a page and if you could please make the same change in your signature, that would be handy. ~~~~" 6675 wikitext text/x-wiki == Welcome to Abstract Wikipedia! == <div style="border:solid medium lightgrey; border-width: medium; padding: 0.3em 0.5em;"> <div class="lang-en" lang="en"> Hello, QuickQuokka. Welcome to '''[[Abstract Wikipedia:About|Abstract Wikipedia]]'''! View the [[Abstract Wikipedia:Community portal|Community portal]] or post to the [[Abstract Wikipedia:Project chat|Project chat]] if you need help with something. Happy editing! </div> </div><!-- Template:Welcome --> [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 21:37, 23 April 2026 (UTC) :Heads up that your signature introduces [[Special:LintErrors/night-mode-unaware-background-color|this error]]. I [https://abstract.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AQ12204&diff=6674&oldid=6647 fixed it] on a page and if you could please make the same change in your signature, that would be handy. [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 21:37, 23 April 2026 (UTC) 5r9ulbwhwxil2weo0ih7qj93x4xxitg 6699 6675 2026-04-24T03:03:52Z QuickQuokka 2641 /* Welcome to Abstract Wikipedia! */ reply ([[mw:c:Special:MyLanguage/User:JWBTH/CD|CD]]) 6699 wikitext text/x-wiki == Welcome to Abstract Wikipedia! == <div style="border:solid medium lightgrey; border-width: medium; padding: 0.3em 0.5em;"> <div class="lang-en" lang="en"> Hello, QuickQuokka. Welcome to '''[[Abstract Wikipedia:About|Abstract Wikipedia]]'''! View the [[Abstract Wikipedia:Community portal|Community portal]] or post to the [[Abstract Wikipedia:Project chat|Project chat]] if you need help with something. Happy editing! </div> </div><!-- Template:Welcome --> [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 21:37, 23 April 2026 (UTC) :Heads up that your signature introduces [[Special:LintErrors/night-mode-unaware-background-color|this error]]. I [https://abstract.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AQ12204&diff=6674&oldid=6647 fixed it] on a page and if you could please make the same change in your signature, that would be handy. [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 21:37, 23 April 2026 (UTC) : {{ping|Koavf}} Thank you! This is gonna be my last comment here with an error. <span style="border-radius:99q;padding:0 7q;background:#103;border:3q solid #FBF">[[User:QuickQuokka|<span style="color:#FBF">'''QuickQuokka'''</span>]]</span> ^{[⁠[[User talk:QuickQuokka|talk]] • [[Special:Contribs/QuickQuokka|contribs]]]} 03:03, 24 April 2026 (UTC) e3c9d2sslnep2t03zmj6r0u0gxqmgng 6702 6699 2026-04-24T03:36:04Z Koavf 723 Nice 6702 wikitext text/x-wiki == Welcome to Abstract Wikipedia! == <div style="border:solid medium lightgrey; border-width: medium; padding: 0.3em 0.5em;"> <div class="lang-en" lang="en"> Hello, QuickQuokka. Welcome to '''[[Abstract Wikipedia:About|Abstract Wikipedia]]'''! View the [[Abstract Wikipedia:Community portal|Community portal]] or post to the [[Abstract Wikipedia:Project chat|Project chat]] if you need help with something. Happy editing! </div> </div><!-- Template:Welcome --> [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 21:37, 23 April 2026 (UTC) :Heads up that your signature introduces [[Special:LintErrors/night-mode-unaware-background-color|this error]]. I [https://abstract.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AQ12204&diff=6674&oldid=6647 fixed it] on a page and if you could please make the same change in your signature, that would be handy. [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 21:37, 23 April 2026 (UTC) : {{ping|Koavf}} Thank you! This is gonna be my last comment here with an error. <span style="border-radius:99q;padding:0 7q;background:#103;border:3q solid #FBF; color:#FBF">[[User:QuickQuokka|<span style="color:#FBF">'''QuickQuokka'''</span>]]</span> ^{[⁠[[User talk:QuickQuokka|talk]] • [[Special:Contribs/QuickQuokka|contribs]]]} 03:03, 24 April 2026 (UTC) d83vskkts0v3i113riqm5jj9hgnpe26 6707 6702 2026-04-24T04:37:17Z QuickQuokka 2641 /* Welcome to Abstract Wikipedia! */ reply ([[mw:c:Special:MyLanguage/User:JWBTH/CD|CD]]) 6707 wikitext text/x-wiki == Welcome to Abstract Wikipedia! == <div style="border:solid medium lightgrey; border-width: medium; padding: 0.3em 0.5em;"> <div class="lang-en" lang="en"> Hello, QuickQuokka. Welcome to '''[[Abstract Wikipedia:About|Abstract Wikipedia]]'''! View the [[Abstract Wikipedia:Community portal|Community portal]] or post to the [[Abstract Wikipedia:Project chat|Project chat]] if you need help with something. Happy editing! </div> </div><!-- Template:Welcome --> [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 21:37, 23 April 2026 (UTC) :Heads up that your signature introduces [[Special:LintErrors/night-mode-unaware-background-color|this error]]. I [https://abstract.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AQ12204&diff=6674&oldid=6647 fixed it] on a page and if you could please make the same change in your signature, that would be handy. [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 21:37, 23 April 2026 (UTC) : {{ping|Koavf}} Thank you! This is gonna be my last comment here with an error. <span style="border-radius:99q;padding:0 7q;background:#103;border:3q solid #FBF; color:#FBF">[[User:QuickQuokka|<span style="color:#FBF">'''QuickQuokka'''</span>]]</span> ^{[⁠[[User talk:QuickQuokka|talk]] • [[Special:Contribs/QuickQuokka|contribs]]]} 03:03, 24 April 2026 (UTC) : {{ping|Koavf}} I just went to edit it, and adding it is above the character limit for signatures... <span style="border-radius:99q;padding:0 7q;background:#103;border:3q solid #FBF">[[User:QuickQuokka|<span style="color:#FBF">'''QuickQuokka'''</span>]]</span> ^{[⁠[[User talk:QuickQuokka|talk]] • [[Special:Contribs/QuickQuokka|contribs]]]} 04:37, 24 April 2026 (UTC) nbluhive7m57jw92q70dnj1um6mebs2 6708 6707 2026-04-24T04:40:43Z QuickQuokka 2641 /* Welcome to Abstract Wikipedia! */ addition: I might have a fix for that (-) ([[mw:c:Special:MyLanguage/User:JWBTH/CD|CD]]) 6708 wikitext text/x-wiki == Welcome to Abstract Wikipedia! == <div style="border:solid medium lightgrey; border-width: medium; padding: 0.3em 0.5em;"> <div class="lang-en" lang="en"> Hello, QuickQuokka. Welcome to '''[[Abstract Wikipedia:About|Abstract Wikipedia]]'''! View the [[Abstract Wikipedia:Community portal|Community portal]] or post to the [[Abstract Wikipedia:Project chat|Project chat]] if you need help with something. Happy editing! </div> </div><!-- Template:Welcome --> [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 21:37, 23 April 2026 (UTC) :Heads up that your signature introduces [[Special:LintErrors/night-mode-unaware-background-color|this error]]. I [https://abstract.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AQ12204&diff=6674&oldid=6647 fixed it] on a page and if you could please make the same change in your signature, that would be handy. [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 21:37, 23 April 2026 (UTC) : {{ping|Koavf}} Thank you! This is gonna be my last comment here with an error. <span style="border-radius:99q;padding:0 7q;background:#103;border:3q solid #FBF; color:#FBF">[[User:QuickQuokka|<span style="color:#FBF">'''QuickQuokka'''</span>]]</span> ^{[⁠[[User talk:QuickQuokka|talk]] • [[Special:Contribs/QuickQuokka|contribs]]]} 03:03, 24 April 2026 (UTC) : {{ping|Koavf}} I just went to edit it, and adding it is above the character limit for signatures... <span style="border-radius:99q;padding:0 7q;background:#103;border:3q solid #FBF">[[User:QuickQuokka|<span style="color:#FBF">'''QuickQuokka'''</span>]]</span> ^{[⁠[[User talk:QuickQuokka|talk]] • [[Special:Contribs/QuickQuokka|contribs]]]} 04:37, 24 April 2026 (UTC) :: I might have a fix for that <span style="border-radius:99q;padding:0 7q;background:#103;border:3q solid #FBF">[[User:QuickQuokka|<span style="color:#FBF">'''QuickQuokka'''</span>]]</span> ^{[⁠[[User talk:QuickQuokka|talk]] • [[Special:Contribs/QuickQuokka|contribs]]]} 04:40, 24 April 2026 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[[Category:Help|de]] 4mfnj32mx7ed97cz049md86rou1woj4 4 2593 6693 2026-04-23T21:46:59Z Koavf 723 Redirected page to [[Abstract Wikipedia:Project chat]] 6693 wikitext text/x-wiki #redirect[[Abstract Wikipedia:Project chat]] kbu1fl5lgiqd09j4o1clcm4h9hingrl 0 2594 6700 2026-04-24T03:08:07Z Theki 2698 Created page with "{ "qid": "Q223", "sections": { "Q8776414": { "index": 0, "fragments": [ "Z89", { "Z1K1": "Z7", "Z7K1": "Z33068", "Z33068K1": [ "Z1", { "Z1K1": "Z7", "Z7K1": "Z26570", "Z26570K1": {..." 6700 abstractwiki text/plain { "qid": "Q223", "sections": { "Q8776414": { "index": 0, "fragments": [ "Z89", { "Z1K1": "Z7", "Z7K1": "Z33068", "Z33068K1": [ "Z1", { "Z1K1": "Z7", "Z7K1": "Z26570", "Z26570K1": { "Z1K1": "Z18", "Z18K1": "Z825K1" }, "Z26570K2": { "Z1K1": "Z6091", "Z6091K1": "Q6256" }, "Z26570K3": { "Z1K1": "Z6091", "Z6091K1": "Q49" }, "Z26570K4": { "Z1K1": "Z18", "Z18K1": "Z825K2" } } ], "Z33068K2": { "Z1K1": "Z18", "Z18K1": "Z825K2" } } ] } } } a6n274wzai3sddvjr1n0prh76jkr8xy 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"Z6091K1": "Q25355" }, "Z28016K2": { "Z1K1": "Z6091", "Z6091K1": "Q23492" }, "Z28016K3": { "Z1K1": "Z18", "Z18K1": "Z825K1" }, "Z28016K4": { "Z1K1": "Z18", "Z18K1": "Z825K2" } } ], "Z33068K2": { "Z1K1": "Z18", "Z18K1": "Z825K2" } } ] } } } gqkxy9fbnc63nvwcuheelrqrobgg3lo 4 2595 6704 2026-04-24T03:49:06Z Koavf 723 Created page with " ==Discussions not working== I keep getting a type error whenever I try to create a new topic. Anybody else? [[ talk:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 18:05, 19 March 2026 (UTC) :I'm also experiencing the same error. [[User: Tenshi Hinanawi|Tenshi!]] ([[User talk: Tenshi Hinanawi|Talk page]]) 18:19, 19 March 2026 (UTC) :@[[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]], @[[User:Tenshi Hinanawi|Tenshi Hinanawi]]: Sorry about that; it was due to a production mis-configurati..." 6704 wikitext text/x-wiki ==Discussions not working== I keep getting a type error whenever I try to create a new topic. Anybody else? [[ talk:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 18:05, 19 March 2026 (UTC) :I'm also experiencing the same error. [[User: Tenshi Hinanawi|Tenshi!]] ([[User talk: Tenshi Hinanawi|Talk page]]) 18:19, 19 March 2026 (UTC) :@[[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]], @[[User:Tenshi Hinanawi|Tenshi Hinanawi]]: Sorry about that; it was due to a production mis-configuration that I've worked around for now. Unfortunately the same bug also meant that the community's first Abstract articles were all mis-created into the <code>Abstract Wikipedia:</code> namespace, and I don't think we can move them into the proper positions right now, so they'll need to be re-created. Please reply here, on [[Abstract Wikipedia:Report a technical problem]], or file any issues you run into in Phabricator. [[User:Jdforrester (WMF)|Jdforrester (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Jdforrester (WMF)|talk]]) 18:34, 19 March 2026 (UTC) ::The new abstract table is breaking globalcontribs counter across all Wikis, [[:phab:T420632]] [[User:Shushugah|Shushugah]] ([[User talk:Shushugah|talk]]) 18:51, 19 March 2026 (UTC) == Horray! 🎉 == This is just a celebratory post acknowledging the milestone of getting this project started. Great work on the engineering team so far, now we can get some community creating content as well! [[User:Ainali|Ainali]] ([[User talk:Ainali|talk]]) 18:53, 19 March 2026 (UTC) :I want to contribute but I'm a bit lost with the function editor so I'll wait until some documentation is uploaded on the community page. [[User:Hathor1719|Hathor1719]] ([[User talk:Hathor1719|talk]]) 18:55, 19 March 2026 (UTC) :🎉🎉🎉! [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 18:56, 19 March 2026 (UTC) == Local help page == The Help page in the sidebar goes to [[mw:Help:Contents]]. We should change that to just [[Help:Contents]]. (But I guess for that we need a local admin as well.) [[User:Ainali|Ainali]] ([[User talk:Ainali|talk]]) 18:59, 19 March 2026 (UTC) :@[[User:Ainali|Ainali]], done. But the page [[Help:Contents]] needs to be written. [[User:Tanbiruzzaman|Tanbiruzzaman]] ([[User talk:Tanbiruzzaman|talk]]) 19:13, 19 March 2026 (UTC) ::Is there a caching thing, that it is still not working? We have [[MediaWiki:Helppage]], but the link in the sidebar still goes to Mediawiki for me. <span style="color:#EAA">♥</span>[[User:Ainali|Ainali]] <small>^{[[User talk:Ainali|diskussion]]}_{[[Special:Bidrag/Ainali|bidrag]]}</small> 07:36, 20 March 2026 (UTC) :::Try [https://abstract.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abstract_Wikipedia:Project_chat?action=purge purge]. [[User:Tanbiruzzaman|Tanbiruzzaman]] ([[User talk:Tanbiruzzaman|talk]]) 07:59, 20 March 2026 (UTC) ::::I tried purging, it doesn't help. Interestingly, if I change the interface language to English, I get the new link, but not when I use it in Swedish. A bug, or do we need to define this for each language? <span style="color:#EAA">♥</span>[[User:Ainali|Ainali]] <small>^{[[User talk:Ainali|diskussion]]}_{[[Special:Bidrag/Ainali|bidrag]]}</small> 12:48, 20 March 2026 (UTC) :::::couldn’t find the solution, I think it's because multilingual feature hasn’t enabled yet. [[User:Tanbiruzzaman|Tanbiruzzaman]] ([[User talk:Tanbiruzzaman|talk]]) 13:44, 20 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::Now it works, without any new purging. Weird (but good). <span style="color:#EAA">♥</span>[[User:Ainali|Ainali]] <small>^{[[User talk:Ainali|diskussion]]}_{[[Special:Bidrag/Ainali|bidrag]]}</small> 15:36, 20 March 2026 (UTC) == qqx doesn't seem to work == I switched my user interface language to Hebrew. I'm trying to [[Special:CreateAbstract/Q18383|create a page]]. There's a plus button under "lead paragraph (Q8776414)". It has several items that begin with "Add" and continue with English strings that are probably function names: "section title", "paragraph", "HTML unordered list", etc. I tried using uselang=qqx to see what functions those are, but then the editing interface is not loaded at all. I see a yellow box with this text: : (wikilambda-initialize-error) : (wikilambda-renderer-error-footer-project-chat) uselang=qqx works quite nicely in Wikifunctions and shows ZIDs of objects when their labels are used in the interface, but it seems to fail here. It would be quite nice to make it work. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 19:06, 19 March 2026 (UTC) == Visual editor on this page == The first time I posted something here on this page (using DiscussionTools), I noticed a mistake and wanted to fix it. I clicked "edit" near the section heading, and it started editing the whole page in Visual editor. If I recall correctly, the default on other wikis is that the edit button next to the section heading on discussion pages opens only that section and in the wikitext editor. It should probably be the same here. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 19:10, 19 March 2026 (UTC) :[[Abstract Wikipedia:Report a technical problem]] would be more appropriate. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 19:14, 19 March 2026 (UTC) == Temporary adminship == I'm requesting temporary adminship here (for 24 hours to a week) to help set up the wiki on the community side. As administrator on Wikifunctions, I designed the current layout of the main page (also used locally), among other things. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 19:16, 19 March 2026 (UTC) :{{ping|Feeglgeef}} while I agree that temporary adminship could be useful, both personally and as a steward, I'm not sure it's a good idea to grant this request. First of all, you didn't really say why you need admin rights (and your history, both on Wikifunctions and Meta, make me want to be extra cautious). In the meantime, stewards and global admins can also (and already do) help if needed, don't hesitate to ask. Cheers, [[User:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[User talk:VIGNERON|talk]]) 21:36, 19 March 2026 (UTC) ::Ah, right! Please update the main page as I've requested on its talk page, as well as delete the existing pages on the Abstract Wikipedia namespace with QIDs (they are now redundant), and add the correct license to [[MediaWiki:License]]. I have a few more things, but they're relatively minor. Consider the above request retracted. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 22:29, 19 March 2026 (UTC) :::{{reply to|VIGNERON}} ? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 15:50, 20 March 2026 (UTC) ::::{{reply to|Feeglgeef}} yes ? please [https://dontasktoask.com/ Don't ask to ask, just ask]. Cdlt, [[User:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[User talk:VIGNERON|talk]]) 16:28, 20 March 2026 (UTC) :::::{{ping|VIGNERON}} I wanted you to do the things I asked in the above reply (which you ignored :(. ). The main page is fixed and the license is fine (not complete, but alas), but any page following the pattern "Abstract Wikipedia:Q[n]" should be deleted. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 17:57, 20 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::{{reply to|Feeglgeef}} I did the deletion this morning, did I miss any pages? Cheers, [[User:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[User talk:VIGNERON|talk]]) 18:00, 20 March 2026 (UTC) == Templates - per usual or as abstract content? == I was about to import a few templates that can come in handy in discussions and other meta-related activities but then realized that it may be a great use case for abstract content. Or will it not be possible to do it in that way on this wiki (or at all)? [[User:Ainali|Ainali]] ([[User talk:Ainali|talk]]) 19:28, 19 March 2026 (UTC) :Calling functions here is currently possible, but some templates are impossible to replace and functions are inconvenient in any case. It'd be helpful if you said which templates you intended to import, but generally I'd say import them. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 19:33, 19 March 2026 (UTC) ::I think what I wonder most is if we always should do multilingual templates with the traditional <code><nowiki><translate></nowiki></code> tags or use functions wherever we can. [[User:Ainali|Ainali]] ([[User talk:Ainali|talk]]) 19:42, 19 March 2026 (UTC) :::The problem with "functions wherever we can" is that most template-like functions are content based, like abbr or 0. I'm assuming you mean templates that are more about meta stuff, which probably should '''not''' be functions, at least under the current idea. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 19:46, 19 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Yes, I was only thinking about meta stuff. Where can I read about this idea you are referring to? It seems important enough that it should be part of [[Abstract Wikipedia:Scope|this project's scope]] (or similar page/policy). [[User:Ainali|Ainali]] ([[User talk:Ainali|talk]]) 19:52, 19 March 2026 (UTC) :::::It's not written down, I suppose. I didn't mean there was a rule against creating the functions, (feel free, if you'd like). The main problem with putting them on Wikifunctions is speed and the fact that you must use HTML fragments (no wikitext), which to me makes it unreasonable. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 19:56, 19 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::That's a fair point of view. The reason I asked was that it would be an excellent way of [[d:Q3033752|Q3033752]] (note to self, we need the functionality of [[d:Template:Q]]). If we get used here to not falling back into wikitext, we get more training at creating excellent abstract content. [[User:Ainali|Ainali]] ([[User talk:Ainali|talk]]) 20:03, 19 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::I haven’t tried an embedded function on an AW Project page, so I suppose I should… if you’ll forgive me! :::::::{{#function:Z32878|Q2013|}} [[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 14:37, 30 March 2026 (UTC) == Articles now creatable properly == Hello all! To those not on the telegram (or not following), articles are now able to be created in the correct way. Any articles you have previously made will need to be recreated. I'd courtesy ping those who have already created one but it seems we don't have that set up yet! [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 22:31, 19 March 2026 (UTC) == Testing from a different language == I have set the UI to Spanish and there are some menus not translated (Create an article in the sidebar, for example). Where can I translate the content I see missing? Also, I tried to create a very simple abstract article on the environment ([[Q43619]]) and it fails to render (Wikifunctions returned a failed response: Alcanzado el límite de tiempo en el Orquestador): I also found a random, decently big one ([[Q408]]) and it keeps loading for five minutes already in Spanish. Finally, if this is going to be with the purpose of multi lingual edition, shouldn't help and talk pages like these be also automatically translated? Because otherwise it becomes just an output of information, an editor who isn't familiar with English would be able to read the Abstract Wikipedia in their language but unable to provide feedback (as I'm doing now). [[User:Hathor1719|Hathor1719]] ([[User talk:Hathor1719|talk]]) 06:56, 20 March 2026 (UTC) :I am not sure that we want "automatic" translation. But regular translation, I truly agree that we should have. There is a Phabricator created to enable the Translate extension on this wiki ([[Phab:T420656]]). <span style="color:#EAA">♥</span>[[User:Ainali|Ainali]] <small>^{[[User talk:Ainali|diskussion]]}_{[[Special:Bidrag/Ainali|bidrag]]}</small> 07:42, 20 March 2026 (UTC) ::Yes at least the ability to translate user messages, so that I for example could read the messages in this page in Spanish and reply in Spanish, and the rest of users translate them to their local languages. Otherwise cross-lingual collaborative effort isn't going to work unless everyone has a decent level of English as a second language. Thank you for the link! [[User:Hathor1719|Hathor1719]] ([[User talk:Hathor1719|talk]]) 08:42, 20 March 2026 (UTC) :: ::I would greatly appreciate automatic per-comment translation (the way Discourse implements it), and hope we find a way to implement that for the truly multilingual sites like this. In the wiki spirit, the outputs of the automatic translation should be savable and editable so that a) the computation of auto-translation only happens once into each target language and b) everyone can improve each of those translations. [[User:Sj|Sj]] ([[User talk:Sj|talk]]) 21:23, 22 March 2026 (UTC) == Using Function IDs == It seems like when creating an article you cannot insert a function ID (i.e. Z6839) in a function call's function field and you have to type in it's name and hope it pops up (which it seems as though it doesn't always). [[User:VivianIsBee|VivianIsBee]] ([[User talk:VivianIsBee|talk]]) 13:13, 20 March 2026 (UTC) == Not showing functions that return strings where an HTML fragment is needed == It might be good to adjust the search function inside the abstract wikipedia editor to show functions that return strings as grayed-out where an HTML fragment is needed, as it took me a while to realize that [https://www.wikifunctions.org/view/en/Z24102 label of item reference in specific/general lang] returns a string and not an HTML fragment, meaning that it doesn't show up when searching. [[User:VivianIsBee|VivianIsBee]] ([[User talk:VivianIsBee|talk]]) 13:30, 20 March 2026 (UTC) == Cannot find Lorrain in the language list == Hi, I wanted to try generating an article in lorrain ([[d:Q671198]]), but it does not appear in the selection list. Where can I ask for it to be added, so that I can try experimenting with it? Thanks! [[User:Poslovitch|Poslovitch]] ([[User talk:Poslovitch|talk]]) 19:48, 20 March 2026 (UTC) :I'm not certain, but I know it's a bit of a process that I think begins on Wikidata. Even if it were added, there would be no support for it in community-made functions, so for the foreseeable future this will be impossible. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 19:54, 20 March 2026 (UTC) ::There are already plenty of lexemes in lorrain on Wikidata. [[User:Poslovitch|Poslovitch]] ([[User talk:Poslovitch|talk]]) 20:38, 20 March 2026 (UTC) :::Can you point me to them? [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-17446-79|&#126;2026-17446-79]] ([[User talk:&#126;2026-17446-79|talk]]) 22:04, 20 March 2026 (UTC) ::::https://w.wiki/FiVz [[User:Poslovitch|Poslovitch]] ([[User talk:Poslovitch|talk]]) 06:12, 21 March 2026 (UTC) :I see no reason for not adding this to our list of languages, after all we already have plenty of languages, including dialects like [[f:Z1640]]. {{ping|Poslovitch}} does this mean you are volunteering to create wikifunctions in lorrain 🤣 Cheers, [[User:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[User talk:VIGNERON|talk]]) 09:50, 21 March 2026 (UTC) ::@[[User:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] Of course! I suppose this means the fonctions will need to support the many ways to write in lorrain, since it is not standardized. Do you have any examples of functions that support such things? [[User:Poslovitch|Poslovitch]] ([[User talk:Poslovitch|talk]]) 09:54, 21 March 2026 (UTC) :::I tried creating a "Natural language" object on Wikifunctions, but it seems I don't have permission to do this. &lt;rant&gt;Why is it always so hard with languages that have no ISO codes :sob: &lt;/rant&gt; [[User:Poslovitch|Poslovitch]] ([[User talk:Poslovitch|talk]]) 13:32, 21 March 2026 (UTC) ::::You wouldn’t be able to create a Natural language object even if you did have an ISO code to hand. Could you raise a ticket on Phabricator, tagged with [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/tag/abstract_wikipedia_team/ Abstract Wikipedia team]? [[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 14:54, 21 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Thanks @[[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]], will do! [[User:Poslovitch|Poslovitch]] ([[User talk:Poslovitch|talk]]) 14:56, 21 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Raised: [[phab:T420823]]. [[User:Poslovitch|Poslovitch]] ([[User talk:Poslovitch|talk]]) 15:09, 21 March 2026 (UTC) == Project namespace alias == On all other Wikipedias, "WP" is an alias of the Project namespace. Why isn't it here? There's also "Abstract", but that's too long for my liking. [[User:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|<span class="skin-invert" style="color:black;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:110%;font-weight:normal;line-height:normal">NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh</span>]] 21:48, 20 March 2026 (UTC) :Noting that this has been discussed multiple times on the telegram. I would prefer AWP, but it doesn't really matter. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-17446-79|&#126;2026-17446-79]] ([[User talk:&#126;2026-17446-79|talk]]) 22:02, 20 March 2026 (UTC) :well it’s not like another language version of Wikipedia, and there're still confusion if it’s a sister project or else. [[User:Tanbiruzzaman|Tanbiruzzaman]] ([[User talk:Tanbiruzzaman|talk]]) 22:09, 20 March 2026 (UTC) ::{{ping|Tanbiruzzaman}} It is listed as a Wikipedia on [[Special:SiteMatrix]]. The domain and database ID says so as well. [[User:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|<span class="skin-invert" style="color:black;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:110%;font-weight:normal;line-height:normal">NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh</span>]] 22:13, 20 March 2026 (UTC) :::It was an initial process to connect wikidata, but will be configured later, per [[phab:T420420]] (also check comments in [[phab:T420643]]). [[User:Tanbiruzzaman|Tanbiruzzaman]] ([[User talk:Tanbiruzzaman|talk]]) 22:32, 20 March 2026 (UTC) :On a similar note, is there a reason why [[Main Page]] is a redlink? Feels useful to redirect it to [[Abstract Wikipedia:Main page]]. //[[User:SHB2000|SHB2000]] ([[User talk:SHB2000|talk]]) 07:33, 25 March 2026 (UTC) ::redirect from mainspace is not possible here, I guess. You may give a try. [[User:Tanbiruzzaman|Tanbiruzzaman]] ([[User talk:Tanbiruzzaman|talk]]) 07:39, 25 March 2026 (UTC) :::Fair enough I guess. --[[User:SHB2000|SHB2000]] ([[User talk:SHB2000|talk]]) 07:41, 25 March 2026 (UTC) ::::I can do it if I'm an admin. This project has no local admins or bureaucrats. [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 23:42, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::I tried to create it and it shows "The provided title 'Main_Page' is not valid for an Abstract Article.", also tried to change the content model to wikitext and shows the same error. Note that I also have the similar technical rights as admin. @[[User:Koavf|Koavf]], is there another way you'd try if you're an administrator? [[User:Tanbiruzzaman|Tanbiruzzaman]] ([[User talk:Tanbiruzzaman|talk]]) 03:44, 27 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::Import from another project's "[[Main Page]]". I did this at [[:d:Main Page]] (but the community decided to delete it, which I did). [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 03:47, 27 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::We do not have [[:f:Main Page]] either and I do not see why it would be needed here. --[[User:Ameisenigel|Ameisenigel]] ([[User talk:Ameisenigel|talk]]) 23:06, 27 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::I can easily imagine the scenario where there are incoming links to it. [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 23:58, 27 March 2026 (UTC) ::@[[User:SHB2000|SHB2000]]: Because the main namespace is not meant to have anything other than abstract articles in it, the same as for Wikifunctions and Wikidata. [[User:Jdforrester (WMF)|Jdforrester (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Jdforrester (WMF)|talk]]) 18:22, 27 March 2026 (UTC) :I checked the [[Special:NamespaceInfo|namespace information]] to see if there were any aliases for the Project namespace and I saw that Abstract: was an alias. Would that conflict with the interwiki prefix abstract:? [[User:ChaoticVermillion|<span style="color: orangered">Chaotic</span><span style="color: crimson">Vermillion</span>]] ([[User talk:ChaoticVermillion|converse]], [[Special:Contributions/ChaoticVermillion|contribs]]) 23:07, 28 March 2026 (UTC) == Making it easier to contribute == I'm aware that we're only a few days into the public beta of this project, and everything is a little rough around the edges, but I thought it could be useful to come up with some goals to work towards in order to make the site more accommodating and easier to contribute to, for newer and more experienced editors alike. (If there's a place where this discussion is already taking place please tell me and I can move there). Here are some thoughts I had so far: * Most of the current articles are extremely short, just one or two sentences long. I think it would be good to pick one article in each of a few main categories (e.g. one country, one type of food, one notable person, etc.) and work to try to include as much relevant information as possible, to serve as an example for future articles of similar types. * As I understand it, a lot of the limitations for what kind of information we can include in an article is due to which functions exist on Wikifunctions. We have [[Abstract Wikipedia:Useful functions for article composition]], which is a good way to find some functions, but this list can't include every single function, so it would be good to have some way to find relevant functions on Wikifunctions. Is there a category containing AWP-related functions there? I'm not too familiar with Wikifunctions yet but if there is a category, we should link it there. * In a similar vein, it seems like there are very few such functions currently available. It would be good to have some kind of guide as to how to create such functions that can be used here. I tried creating a new function there yesterday and it took me a while to find my way around, and I still haven't figured it out completely, so a guide specifically for people wanting to improve Abstract Wikipedia could be useful. * Lastly it might be worth coming up with a list of policies and guidelines that we want to make to begin with. Currently there are none, and obviously it's quite time consuming to create new policies, but coming up with a set of basic ones would be helpful I think. Let me know your thoughts. Cheers, &#123;&#123;[[User:GearsDatapacks|GearsDatapacks]]&#124;[[User talk:GearsDatapacks|talk]]&#124;[[Special:Contributions/GearsDatapacks|contribs]]&#125;&#125; 19:52, 21 March 2026 (UTC) :Just had a closer look at Wikifunctions; seems [[f:Wikifunctions:Catalogue/Natural language operations/Global language functions]] might be a good place to link to. &#123;&#123;[[User:GearsDatapacks|GearsDatapacks]]&#124;[[User talk:GearsDatapacks|talk]]&#124;[[Special:Contributions/GearsDatapacks|contribs]]&#125;&#125; 20:00, 21 March 2026 (UTC) ::I support the goal of making it easier to contribute. From my point of view a place where people can write example sentences in specific languages about specific facts and can request a function for it will be useful. So far I it is difficult for me to understand how it is possible to define content in a abstract way and convert it into texts in different natural languages. It seems to me like it requires to much available data at functions and Wikidata Lexemes what is not there for many small languages so far. So I prefer a monolingual approach based on Wikidata statements. Then people can write sentences what explain a specific Wikidata statement or multiple ones and this can be done for many languages. [[User:Hogü-456|Hogü-456]] ([[User talk:Hogü-456|talk]]) 20:49, 21 March 2026 (UTC) :I do agree that creating these linguistic functions would be easier if we had a guide, though it's not exactly a cut and paste process (it requires a lot of thinking to figure out edge cases, whether your use case makes sense across languages, what will be included in the scope of your function, what will not be, what the utility will be, etc.). An example of thinking this out poorly is [[f:Z31405]], where it's painfullyy clear that the Abstract Wikipedia team didn't think these questions through well enough, where the description says that they couldn't even decide whether the function would output a phrase or a noun, there is little to no utility in composing articles, and the edge cases are insurmountable with their current approach. :It's not exactly the same, but I've noted on the telegram that we should make it easier to make new language versions of existing functions. Unlike object labels, however, that requires either programming experience or a very in-depth tutorial, which we do not have. The lack of language-versions is natural if you think about it (if 1% of the world can make a Wikifunctions function and 1% can translate the concepts effectively between the languages we want, 0.01% can help us here), so the tutorial route seems like the only logical method. Spreading awareness as to contributing this way on the main page could also be helpful [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 00:35, 22 March 2026 (UTC) ::Yeah, some kind of tutorial would be phenomenal. There could be some walk-through tutorials for creating some basic linguistic functions. That seems to be the bottleneck to progress here - practically all sentences follow the format "X is Y". ::I've been looking forward to Abstract for awhile now (finding out it released yesterday, a bit too late), but it's completely unapproachable - it feels like I need a master's degree in both Computer Science and Linguistics in order to contribute to the growth of this project. It's a new project, sure, but it took at least an hour to write two sentences in [[Q711|Q711 (Mongolia)]]. Doesn't help that I only speak English. [[User:EatingCarBatteries|EatingCarBatteries]] ([[User talk:EatingCarBatteries|talk]]) 05:41, 27 March 2026 (UTC) :I suggest a bot that extract useful information and statistics including which functions are used. [[github:dpriskorn/wf-dump-scripts|See my prototype pipeline]]. [[User:So9q|So9q]] ([[User talk:So9q|talk]]) 06:26, 31 March 2026 (UTC) == Involving small language versions == As Abstract Wikipedia can help small Wikipedia language versions offering more content in this language I think it is important to try to get people from such projects involved. From my point of view the highest chance to get it done is if people who know people contributing to small language version talk to the contributors and invite them to contribute to Abstract Wikipedia. In Wikifunctions I expected more involvement of small language versions and I think it is important to make it easier to contribute and find a way how to communicate with people who do not speak English. As it is not the case everyone can speak this language. What do you think how is it possible to get more people from small Wikipedia language versions involved in Abstract Wikipedia and Wikifunctions. [[User:Hogü-456|Hogü-456]] ([[User talk:Hogü-456|talk]]) 20:55, 21 March 2026 (UTC) : I am interested in using AW/WF with the [[incubator:]], perhaps a workflow could be developed for that. — [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 18:52, 22 March 2026 (UTC) :: Have you tried to call Wikifunctions functions in the Incubatorwiki. I think adding language specific implementatations is the first step. It seems to me like simple sentences can be generated through calling Wikifunctions functions and so for this no Abstract Wikipedia is required. — [[User:Hogü-456|Hogü-456]] ([[User talk:Hogü-456|talk]]) 20:38, 22 March 2026 (UTC) ::: I'll try it. [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 06:02, 23 March 2026 (UTC) == URL-Parameter for specific language == Is it possible to call an abstract Wikipedia article with a URL-Parameter specifying the language. I looked for random pages and I got examples without a german Implementation. I am interested in sharing an example and for this I want to set a link people can klick on to get the result in the expected language afterwards. [[User:Hogü-456|Hogü-456]] ([[User talk:Hogü-456|talk]]) 20:43, 22 March 2026 (UTC) :You can add "?uselang=de" to render the article in German, if that is what you mean. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 22:41, 22 March 2026 (UTC) :@[[User:Hogü-456|Hogü-456]]: Yes, like with Wikifunctions you should be able to go to <code>/view/fr/Q123456</code> but that's waiting for some production re-configuration to work. [[User:Jdforrester (WMF)|Jdforrester (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Jdforrester (WMF)|talk]]) 13:12, 23 March 2026 (UTC) ::Great 🤩 [[User:So9q|So9q]] ([[User talk:So9q|talk]]) 06:28, 31 March 2026 (UTC) == Purpose of language-specific functions? == Some functions that produce sentences seem to have language-specific functions for every language, I.e. "Brazilian Sign Language: article-less defining". Why is this? What functions have this multiplicity? I thought one point of AWP was to have language-independend functions, all of which have specifications for how they would render outputs in different languages (where the choice of output language is decided at the client, or at the final step of rendering, not for each function in turn). [[User:Sj|Sj]] ([[User talk:Sj|talk]]) 21:23, 22 March 2026 (UTC) :This is just a side effect of how Wikifunctions works. Essentially the generic "Article-less defining fragment" checks which language you want, and then calls the language-specific version. You should only use the generic ones in abstract articles. &#123;&#123;[[User:GearsDatapacks|GearsDatapacks]]&#124;[[User talk:GearsDatapacks|talk]]&#124;[[Special:Contributions/GearsDatapacks|contribs]]&#125;&#125; 21:50, 22 March 2026 (UTC) ::Aha thanks, then the interface should probably not be showing the hundreds of language-specific ones in the selector drop-down for editors. [[User:Sj|Sj]] ([[User talk:Sj|talk]]) 18:55, 23 March 2026 (UTC) :::Agreed, although I'm not sure how easy it would be to filter them out; there's not really anything distinguishing them from the general functions, they're both functions that take some input and return monolingual text as output. Maybe worth opening a phabricator ticket to get the opinion of people on the technical side of Abstract Wikipedia. &#123;&#123;[[User:GearsDatapacks|GearsDatapacks]]&#124;[[User talk:GearsDatapacks|talk]]&#124;[[Special:Contributions/GearsDatapacks|contribs]]&#125;&#125; 19:39, 23 March 2026 (UTC) ::::I think the best way to do it would be to have some sort of tag for "multilingual function"? [[User:Infernostars|Infernostars]] ([[User talk:Infernostars|talk]]) 21:43, 25 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Yes. I think this reveals that there are (at least) two kinds of functions on Wikifunctions. Those that are (mainly) helper functions (although they may be useful for external reuse or in abstract articles about a language) and Abstract-ready functions. Having a way to mark them as such on Wikidata, and then by default filter on Wikifunctions would increase usability a lot. <span style="color:#EAA">♥</span>[[User:Ainali|Ainali]] <small>^{[[User talk:Ainali|discussion]]}_{[[Special:Contributions/Ainali|contributions]]}</small> 08:22, 28 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::I agree that we need to be able to reduce the noise when finding functions. ::::::I also agree that it would be very valuable to create function categories and be able to filter when searching. ::::::I also agree that defaulting on AW to "top-level" functions is a good idea. ::::::@ainali what do y mean mark them in Wikidata? Functions are not notable there if I understood correctly. [[User:So9q|So9q]] ([[User talk:So9q|talk]]) 06:33, 31 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::@[[User:So9q|So9q]] Oh, it's my mistake, mind wandering while writing. Instead of "on Wikidata" I meant "in metadata". <span style="color:#EAA">♥</span>[[User:Ainali|Ainali]] <small>^{[[User talk:Ainali|discussion]]}_{[[Special:Contributions/Ainali|contributions]]}</small> 15:48, 31 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::Oh, ok, I agree. My prototype to extract statistics could be used to find sll top level html functions. ::::::::We could limit it to functions over a certain number to not count the built in functions. ::::::::We could do quite a lot of work with the data to help people gaps. E.g. most used functions in AW missing support for Swedish for example. 😀 [[User:So9q|So9q]] ([[User talk:So9q|talk]]) 20:17, 31 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::::The prototype script used to generate https://www.wikifunctions.org/wiki/Wikifunctions:Statistics/Z8 could rather easily be forked and adapted to AW 😀 [[User:So9q|So9q]] ([[User talk:So9q|talk]]) 06:45, 1 April 2026 (UTC) == "It" in abstract wikipedia == How should the concept of "it" be represented in abstract wikipedia? Otherwise it leads to a lot of sentences like "Brussels is the capital of Belgium. Brussels is a large city. Brussels is...". Also, is there any plans for some form of easier to understand "authoring language" or something? The current approach with writing wikifunctions is hard to understand and write. [[User:VivianIsBee|VivianIsBee]] ([[User talk:VivianIsBee|talk]]) 19:35, 23 March 2026 (UTC) :Every concept is represented in Abstract Wikipedia through its Wikidata item, which would be [[d:Q6091500]] in this case. I'm not exactly sure what you mean by an "authoring language" (some sample texts of your idea would be helpful), but I don't think there's much improvement to be had while still writing in an abstract language (that is to say, most improvements would make the language more concrete). [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 20:18, 23 March 2026 (UTC) ::I mean more like a format easier to work with than wikifunctions. Like some form of computer-parsable conlang which can be "compiled" into wikifunctions. [[User:VivianIsBee|VivianIsBee]] ([[User talk:VivianIsBee|talk]]) 20:47, 23 March 2026 (UTC) :This is a tough problem, because the pronoun you would use is semantically different in different languages. I think we have to make a "refer to previously-mentioned" function that takes a Wikidata item, reads properties like person or object, (linguistic) gender, etc, and spits out a pronoun. Hopefully it can be done that simply. [[User:Snowmanonahoe|Snowmanonahoe]] ([[User talk:Snowmanonahoe|talk]]) 18:41, 25 March 2026 (UTC) ::Yeah that would make sense. I can try to draft one for English (that's the only language I know at least for now) so we can get a proof of concept. [[User:VivianIsBee|VivianIsBee]] ([[User talk:VivianIsBee|talk]]) 18:48, 25 March 2026 (UTC) ::Ooh. I could be wrong but I think wikidata doesn't have a property for "grammatical gender". For English I'll probably match on P21 and if it's an instance of Q5, and if it doesn't have P21 and is an instance of Q5 do they/them, if not an instance of Q5 and doesn't have P21 it/its, and otherwise match on P21. Also we'll need multiple "refer to" functions for different types of pronouns (possessive, nominative, etc). [[User:VivianIsBee|VivianIsBee]] ([[User talk:VivianIsBee|talk]]) 18:57, 25 March 2026 (UTC) :::About the grammatical gender property: yeah, you're probably right. That's the tough part, because we're going to need individual properties for every language with grammatical gender. See the similar discussion about classifier/measure words and articles below. [[User:Snowmanonahoe|Snowmanonahoe]] ([[User talk:Snowmanonahoe|talk]]) 19:06, 25 March 2026 (UTC) ::@[[User:VivianIsBee|VivianIsBee]] We do have [[:d:Property:P5185]], but this is applied only to lexemes and not to items. [[User:Mahir256|Mahir256]] ([[User talk:Mahir256|talk]]) 20:49, 25 March 2026 (UTC) == Supported languages for an article == Is there a possiblity to see all languages an article can be displayed in. I looked at [[Q2290517]] and it seems like there is not yet a German version for this article. From my point of view knowing what articles are missing in the language of interest is important for working on abstract articles. As I looked at random pages I got a timeout as my user interface is in German and the generation of the article in German was not sucessful. So I think it is also necessary for checking if the article can be displayed in the user interface language. [[User:Hogü-456|Hogü-456]] ([[User talk:Hogü-456|talk]]) 21:17, 24 March 2026 (UTC) :This is not something that is convenient to check at all. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 21:55, 24 March 2026 (UTC) ::It would be great if it were clearer which was the first (or all, if possible) function that failed to render in a language to help the user go make necessary additions on Wikifunctions. <span style="color:#EAA">♥</span>[[User:Ainali|Ainali]] <small>^{[[User talk:Ainali|discussion]]}_{[[Special:Contributions/Ainali|contributions]]}</small> 08:24, 28 March 2026 (UTC) :::I agree, I recently wrote the team and suggested a clear backtrace so the user can see an overview of the chain of functions and steps in which step failed in which function. :::I'm imagining something like the GitHub actions job pipeline overview, where you can easily see the process and the output from the failing step. [[User:So9q|So9q]] ([[User talk:So9q|talk]]) 06:41, 31 March 2026 (UTC) == [[f:Z26039|Z26039]] and [[f:Z26095|Z26095]] == This is a big mistake, and it's best we fix it now. Anything relating to particular languages or even groups of languages needs to stay all the way out of the generic functions. Languages have different rules for articles, some of them don't even have articles. This kind of thing cannot be reconciled at the general function-level. As to the alternate way we deal with this, that's a little tougher. My first thought is a bunch of Wikidata properties that tell you whether an article precedes an entity's label in a particular language. That idea could work, but there are some obvious problems: *Are there languages where the presence of an article is contextual, too? *No one will fill these properties, especially in languages other than English, because we will accumulate dozens of them that have to go on every single word ever [[User:Snowmanonahoe|Snowmanonahoe]] ([[User talk:Snowmanonahoe|talk]]) 13:23, 25 March 2026 (UTC) :Can you give me an example of a language where this distinction actively prevents the functions from working? Some languages do not have articles, but that just means that the two are interchangeable. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 13:26, 25 March 2026 (UTC) ::Trivially. ::*[[w:Golf|Golf]] on enwiki: "Golf is a club-and-ball sport in which players use various clubs to hit a ball into a series of holes on a course in as few strokes as possible." ::*[[w:es:Golf|Golf]] on eswiki: "El golf es un deporte cuyo objetivo es introducir una bola en los hoyos que están distribuidos en el campo con el menor número de golpes, utilizando para cada tipo de golpe uno de entre un conjunto de palos ligeramente diferentes entre sí, ya que la cabeza del palo tiene ángulos distintos, al igual que las varillas tienen longitudes diferentes." ::[[User:Snowmanonahoe|Snowmanonahoe]] ([[User talk:Snowmanonahoe|talk]]) 13:34, 25 March 2026 (UTC) :::That's not a meaningful difference, though, and both examples use Z26039. Z26039 and Z26095 have different semantic meanings, they aren't stylistic choices. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 16:01, 25 March 2026 (UTC) ::::<em>Stylistic choice?</em> Is this a joke? Do you think the word "the" in English is a stylistic choice? [[User:Snowmanonahoe|Snowmanonahoe]] ([[User talk:Snowmanonahoe|talk]]) 16:19, 25 March 2026 (UTC) :::::I mean, yes? If you can be understood perfectly without it that's what it is. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 16:21, 25 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::You just said "Z26039 and Z26095 have different semantic meanings". [[User:Snowmanonahoe|Snowmanonahoe]] ([[User talk:Snowmanonahoe|talk]]) 16:27, 25 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Yes. "The" has no semantic meaning, but there is a semantic difference between "A bird is a dinosaur" and "Bird is a dinosaur" (The latter is about a specific animal names Bird). [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 21:06, 25 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::It does though, no? See Wiktionary's second example: ::::::::: ''You live on Main Street, don't you? You know, you should tell the mayor '''the''' street needs cleaning.'' ::::::::Generally it's used to refer to a singular identifiable instance (there's more definitions, but this is the primary one), which I think is definitely enough to put it outside of "no semantic meaning". [[User:Infernostars|Infernostars]] ([[User talk:Infernostars|talk]]) 21:18, 25 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::::I can understand it perfectly fine if you remove "the", though. The fact that the thing can be obviously identified with "the" means that it can be obviously identified without it. It's convenient, though. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 21:21, 25 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::::The solution you're proposing to the problem at hand is pretty much "completely abandon grammatical articles in every language except English". You're right that it's not the end of the world, but we should at least try to solve the problem first. [[User:Snowmanonahoe|Snowmanonahoe]] ([[User talk:Snowmanonahoe|talk]]) 21:26, 25 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::No. That's definitely ''not'' what I'm saying. I'm disputing your insinuation that something is wrong with our current approach. We can solve any stylistic problems on a language by language basis, and semantic problems in the abstract content. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 22:09, 25 March 2026 (UTC) :By the way, even a single generic function for "X is a Y" is already too much, it neglects [[w:measure word|measure word]]s in Chinese, Japanese, and Korean. [[User:Snowmanonahoe|Snowmanonahoe]] ([[User talk:Snowmanonahoe|talk]]) 13:39, 25 March 2026 (UTC) ::Oh god... measure words. How the fuck do we deal with measure words? ::Have a look at the article for [[w:Chinese classifiers|Chinese classifiers]]. I have no idea how to deal with these. [[User:Snowmanonahoe|Snowmanonahoe]] ([[User talk:Snowmanonahoe|talk]]) 14:58, 25 March 2026 (UTC) :::I would presume Wikidata has those available to find? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 16:09, 25 March 2026 (UTC) ::::No, I just checked and Wikidata doesn't have a property for this yet. We would need to do a decent amount of workshopping to define such a property well for the proposal there (it wouldn't just be "Chinese classifier for"; I think something like "Chinese count-classifier for"? The count-classifiers that simply disappear in Germanic languages are the real concern, as the mass-classifiers can generally be paired with the noun to translate into an English word) but I think it could work barring some edge cases. ::::My main concern is if fundamentally we want to solve these sorts of problems this way. If so, we're going to be asking Wikidata to make hundreds if not thousands of properties over the coming months. Is that the best way to do this? I'm wondering if anyone has a better idea. [[User:Snowmanonahoe|Snowmanonahoe]] ([[User talk:Snowmanonahoe|talk]]) 18:15, 25 March 2026 (UTC) :::::And... is it going to <em>work?</em> How many Wikidata items only have a label in one or two languages as-is? This is only going to exacerbate that problem by quadrupling the work to translate a word, and putting us basically at square one. [[User:Snowmanonahoe|Snowmanonahoe]] ([[User talk:Snowmanonahoe|talk]]) 18:27, 25 March 2026 (UTC) ::::@[[User:Snowmanonahoe|Snowmanonahoe]] There is [[:d:Property:P5978]] which can be used to say that a particular lexeme sense is used with a specific classifier (not just in Mandarin but also in languages like Malay), as well as [[:d:Property:P10927]] which can indicate the reverse relation (but for parsimony's sake should point to more general classes rather than to every applicable sense in existence). [[User:Mahir256|Mahir256]] ([[User talk:Mahir256|talk]]) 20:53, 25 March 2026 (UTC) :::::@[[User:Mahir256|Mahir256]]: Thank you, I didn't know about Wikidata's work on lexemes. This seems a lot more doable now. Question: is there any way to move from an item to a lexeme, e.g. if I had [[d:Q81727]] and I wanted [[d:L:L3965]]? [[User:Snowmanonahoe|Snowmanonahoe]] ([[User talk:Snowmanonahoe|talk]]) 20:58, 25 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::@[[User:Snowmanonahoe|Snowmanonahoe]] re: your first sentence, I suspect that most people with questions here are clueless about lexemes (something the Abstract Wikipedia team made a grave mistake in not properly having addressed before this launch). In general links go from lexeme senses to items and not the other way around, [[:d:Wikidata:Lexicographical_data/Documentation/Senses#Properties_regarding_relationships_to_Wikidata_items|with several properties available to do so]], and while there is a Wikifunction to go from an item to a lexeme, I cannot endorse the current method of composing abstract articles (<small>see my reply under "Authoring Language" below</small>) enough to mention what Wikifunction that is. [[User:Mahir256|Mahir256]] ([[User talk:Mahir256|talk]]) 21:11, 25 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::The function being referred to by Mahir is [[f:Z6830]]. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 21:25, 25 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::It would be helpful if you read a bit about the project before insisting that we're doing it wrong. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18667-44|&#126;2026-18667-44]] ([[User talk:&#126;2026-18667-44|talk]]) 22:11, 25 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Could you elaborate? [[User:Snowmanonahoe|Snowmanonahoe]] ([[User talk:Snowmanonahoe|talk]]) 22:15, 25 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::You don't even know about Lexemes, much less the complexities of the project. You come into the project chat without the slightest sliver of a clue and then tell everyone that they are "making a big mistake." Perhaps next time you could phrase it like "What is the distinction between these two functions? Does this not present concerns about XYZ?" [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18688-73|&#126;2026-18688-73]] ([[User talk:&#126;2026-18688-73|talk]]) 02:09, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::::I'd be happy to hear why I'm wrong. [[User:Snowmanonahoe|Snowmanonahoe]] ([[User talk:Snowmanonahoe|talk]]) 02:18, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :Is it just me or does 26039 only return void? [[User:MetalBreaksAndBends|MetalBreaksAndBends]] ([[User talk:MetalBreaksAndBends|talk]]) 18:31, 25 March 2026 (UTC) ::Does for me, too, the English version anyway. [[User:Snowmanonahoe|Snowmanonahoe]] ([[User talk:Snowmanonahoe|talk]]) 18:42, 25 March 2026 (UTC) :::If my debugging is right, everything except Russian, Ukrainian, and Belarusian is completely broken. [[User:MetalBreaksAndBends|MetalBreaksAndBends]] ([[User talk:MetalBreaksAndBends|talk]]) 18:44, 25 March 2026 (UTC) ::::For me, English renders fine now [perhaps due to a recent edit? hard to be sure]. Not sure if it's entirely fixed though. [[User:Infernostars|Infernostars]] ([[User talk:Infernostars|talk]]) 21:08, 25 March 2026 (UTC) :I agree there is a problem with the current approach. My proposed solution: I'm hoping the top level call from Abstract Wikipedia will be optionally allowed to send parameters like the grammatical number "plural" of the subject, which could be considered by the specific language alongside other context about the subject/object item to formulate the grammar (e.g. [[f:Z32496]]), and by the time it gets to the English constructor (e.g. [[f:Z32410]]), the English function will have the "subject is plural" boolean set (to decide "has"/"have" as well as the articles). I'm working on this particular example and all the required helper functions. If the English version works, I'll seek to make a configuration that allows similar in other languages. PS off topic, but I also think we will often want these functions to return HTML not monolingual text, so that we can embed hyperlinks. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 02:37, 26 March 2026 (UTC) ::HTML is ideal because you don't need to convert it. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 13:16, 26 March 2026 (UTC) ::I’m not sure we want to favour particular features; don’t we simply want to determine the relevant set of lexemes for an item/language pairing? We don’t have selective fetch for lexemes, so the set may need to be limited, but identifying the more salient lexemes still requires considering the full set, unless we filter by “lexical similarity” between the item’s labels and/or aliases and the lexeme’s lemma and/or forms. [[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 13:58, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::I don't quite understand what you are objecting to, or what problem you forsee. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 00:22, 27 March 2026 (UTC) ::::I’m not objecting to anything, although the notion of “sending” is a little alien in a functional context. The problem is knowing which features (predicates) are most salient. I guess it’s simply an optimisation, so further relevant details can be fetched later if the context requires them. But I’d still think in terms of filtered statement sets, and perhaps different filters per language. If we’re going to be language specific, it’s natural to consider extending the selective fetch to include sense-related lexemes. [[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 11:26, 27 March 2026 (UTC) == Authoring Language == Wikifunctions are kind of a pain to work with directly (no offense to the creators of them, they're an amazing platform and overall very impressive, just kind of by their nature they are built to be more abstract and closer to lambda calculus over "regular" programming languages), and that extends to Abstract Wikipedia. Has it been thought about making a sort of "authoring language" that is easier to work with than directly using Wikifunctions, but then "compiles" directly to Wikifunctions? My idea is sort of making a computer-parsable, natural language-agnostic conlang or even just some sort of custom markup language that could optionally be used to write abwiki articles and then would be stored along with the compiled wikifunctions and a timestamp of last compile so if an update was made then previous articles could be recompiled automatically. I'm of course not one of the abwiki staff members, so if this doesn't fit the "spirit" of it or something let me know, but I think it'd be helpful. [[User:VivianIsBee|VivianIsBee]] ([[User talk:VivianIsBee|talk]]) 19:14, 25 March 2026 (UTC) :I proposed adding support for Spreadsheetfunctions to Wikifunctions. It is better than defining a new language. From my point of view there are in relation to other programming languages many people who can write spreadsheet functions and they are translated into many different natural languages. In the past I did some experiments regarding the automatical conversion of Spreadsheet functions into the programming language R. I am interested in defining an Abstract Article in an Spreadsheet and I think it is possible. It is from my point of view important to lower the barrer to create an Abstract Article and creating functions in Wikifunctions. Maybe the goal of making it abstract makes it more complicated and language specific functions are easier to create for many people. [[User:Hogü-456|Hogü-456]] ([[User talk:Hogü-456|talk]]) 20:25, 25 March 2026 (UTC) :@[[User:VivianIsBee|VivianIsBee]] I have presented to the Abstract Wikipedia team about an abstract content authoring language [[f:Wikifunctions:Status updates/2024-10-17|multiple]] [https://elemwala.toolforge.org/static/nlgsig-nov2025.html times]. It is unfortunate that the current infrastructure does not seek to support this yet. [[User:Mahir256|Mahir256]] ([[User talk:Mahir256|talk]]) 20:49, 25 March 2026 (UTC) == Definite articles == Heya! Been working on the page [[Q778]] [and thus the [https://www.wikifunctions.org/view/en/Z26570 Z26570] function] - is there a way to check if a word needs a definite article [i.e. the] or not? Right now it's "''The Bahamas is an island country in Caribbean.''" which is close but needs a definite article [before Caribbean]. But I can't just always add it, since cases like "''Lubeck is a city in the Germany.''" would be wrong. Is there any solution for this yet? [[User:Infernostars|Infernostars]] ([[User talk:Infernostars|talk]]) 21:06, 25 March 2026 (UTC) :IIRC this has been discussed on the telegram/IRC. Not sure if a solution was found. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 21:23, 25 March 2026 (UTC) :@[[User:99of9|99of9]] is working on this: [[:f:Z32645]] [[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 14:02, 26 March 2026 (UTC) ::hmm, tried adding this to [[f:Z30397]], but it makes it return an empty string for some reason? presumably i'm doing something wrong but not sure what... :( [faulty implementation at [[f:Z32738]]] [[User:Infernostars|Infernostars]] ([[User talk:Infernostars|talk]]) 19:55, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::The reason was that the argument to Z32645 is a Wikidata item reference, not a Wikidata item. I've fixed it now. But I switched it so that it only adds the definite article when the Kleenean is absolutely True, more than Maybe. I hope I will be able to achieve that for Caribbean, although it doesn't currently do so. I'll keep working on it today. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 00:20, 27 March 2026 (UTC) == Editing the direct code of pages == I find the current GUI editor to be quite clunky and harder for more complex topics. I'm assuming there is some way that I can edit the code of pages, so I can more quickly write functions without clicking through GUIs. Like I heavily doubt someone wrote [[Q15433043]] by clicking through GUIs. Also, does anyone know of a function that concats two strings with a space in between? Would I just use [[wikifunctions:Z21394|Z21394]], adding a space between two calls to objects (i.e. "Mars" + " " + "Jupiter")? [[User:EatingCarBatteries|EatingCarBatteries]] ([[User talk:EatingCarBatteries|talk]]) 20:19, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :For [[Q15433043]], it looks like they just wrote it in plain English and didn't use functions, so that's why it's so long I think. For joining, [[f:Z22504]] looks like a pretty good option. [[User:Infernostars|Infernostars]] ([[User talk:Infernostars|talk]]) 20:40, 26 March 2026 (UTC) ::Thanks, that looks good. I hope more languages support it down the road. [[User:EatingCarBatteries|EatingCarBatteries]] ([[User talk:EatingCarBatteries|talk]]) 20:45, 26 March 2026 (UTC) ::When I try to insert this in a [[wikifunctions:Z28016|"defining role sentence"]], it doesn't appear and throws an error. Do you know why? [[User:EatingCarBatteries|EatingCarBatteries]] ([[User talk:EatingCarBatteries|talk]]) 20:51, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :There are several, but I think they are best left to language-specific functions on Wikifunctions. How do you know that a space is required? [[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 20:42, 26 March 2026 (UTC) ::For example, in [[Q711|Mongolia]], I would like to write "Ulaanbaatar is the capital and largest city of Mongolia". As of now, I would have to write that in two separate sentences and be very repetitive. [[User:EatingCarBatteries|EatingCarBatteries]] ([[User talk:EatingCarBatteries|talk]]) 20:46, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::There’s a long journey ahead of us. At this stage I’d be thinking more in terms of [[f:Z32163]]. At least that way we can join adjacent sentences more naturally, when we have appropriate functions to do that. And we can implement “paragraph” differently according to the target language, without having to change the existing abstract content. [[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 21:07, 26 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Yeah that's what I expected, the project has just started after all. Thanks for this. ::::How are you finding these functions? I'm having trouble locating them. Also, is there a way that I can copy and paste functions from one article to another in the case of cookie-cutter articles? [[User:EatingCarBatteries|EatingCarBatteries]] ([[User talk:EatingCarBatteries|talk]]) 21:45, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::You can copy individual function calls in edit mode. Just click on the three vertical dots and select Copy to clipboard. This is currently specific to a particular browser and site, so you cannot copy between Wikifunctions and AW. You can also copy parts of calls by clicking on the three horizontal dots [[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 22:26, 26 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::Great, I didn't see that, thank you! So there is no current way to edit the underlying code of the page? [[User:EatingCarBatteries|EatingCarBatteries]] ([[User talk:EatingCarBatteries|talk]]) 22:35, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::It depends what you mean by “underlying code”. All articles are a list of one or more sections containing function calls. You can add and remove sections (apart from the first) and move sections up and down. Within a section, you can move function calls up and down, but you can only move a function call (or part of one) from one section to another by using the clipboard. The real underlying code is the functions themselves, and these can be amended on Wikifunctions. [[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 22:44, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::For tips on finding functions, please see [[:f:Wikifunctions:Find]]. It is also helpful to look at other AW articles, of course. On Wikifunctions, you can look at a related function’s implementations or test cases, as these may reference broader or narrower functions. And “What links here” is available from the Tools menu. [[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 22:38, 26 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::Thank you very much for you help. I think that's all I need to know for now, happy editing :) [[User:EatingCarBatteries|EatingCarBatteries]] ([[User talk:EatingCarBatteries|talk]]) 23:07, 26 March 2026 (UTC) == Code editing == I created and am attempting to edit [[Q687168]]. It is difficult to figure out what is going on because I am stuck at a visual editor. I would like to play around with comparing it to code on other pages, but the visual thing makes that pretty difficult. Also is there a way to edit things in a sandbox or something so I can experiment without it being in mainspace? [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 23:25, 27 March 2026 (UTC) :Code-based (as in, the underlying form articles are stored in, which was temporarily visible due to a bug when the wiki was just being set up) editing is currently not possible, and I'm not sure if the development team has any plan to implement it (cc {{ping|Jdforrester (WMF)}}). As for your issue, you should not be using a literal string, but a function call instead, which allows you to use one of the functions on Wikifunctions (how to pictured). Though the project is in its early days, a general guide on creating articles is available at [[Help:How to create an article]] with links to other helpful pages. As for sandboxes, you can subscribe to the [[phab:T421417| task on Phabricator]] if you have an account there. [[File:Set literal string to function call guide, Abstract Wikipedia.png|thumb|How to convert to function call]] [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 00:40, 28 March 2026 (UTC) ::Well I really hope that they implement code editing because wikidata is okay since it only has properties. But these functions are just too much. I feel like I should be able to relatively easily take code from one article and put it on another one. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 02:58, 28 March 2026 (UTC) :::You can use the copying feature! If you click the 3 dots next to a function call you get an option to copy, which you can then paste elsewhere using the same 3 dots. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 03:06, 28 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Thank you. I do not think that this is the best alternative, but it is better [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 18:50, 28 March 2026 (UTC) tl4utiizyocfg92pkk6lozd4cur1nz9 3 2596 6706 2026-04-24T04:10:39Z Tanbiruzzaman 13 /* Welcome to Abstract Wikipedia! */ new section 6706 wikitext text/x-wiki == Welcome to Abstract Wikipedia! == <div style="border:solid medium lightgrey; border-width: medium; padding: 0.3em 0.5em;"> <div class="lang-en" lang="en"> Hello, Tanbiruzzaman. Welcome to '''[[Abstract Wikipedia:About|Abstract Wikipedia]]'''! 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