Abstract Wikipedia abstractwiki https://abstract.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abstract_Wikipedia:Main_page MediaWiki 1.47.0-wmf.5 first-letter Media Special Talk User User talk Abstract Wikipedia Abstract Wikipedia talk File File talk MediaWiki MediaWiki talk Template Template talk Help Help talk Category Category talk TimedText TimedText talk Module Module talk Translations Translations talk 4 6 9578 9531 2026-06-04T14:05:25Z HenkvD 1447 /* Marking NLG Default text */ Reply 9578 wikitext text/x-wiki {{#ifexist:Abstract Wikipedia:Project chat/Header/{{USERLANGUAGE}}|{{/Header/{{USERLANGUAGE}}}}|{{/Header}}}} {{/Archives}} <!-- Add your discussion below this line --> == Why don't we just structure this with wikitemplates? == I feel like the project could be done a lot better by using templates kind of like how wikipedia does them. Just the entire thing is templates that can be rendered in many languages. So like [[Q106289265]] would have the content <nowiki>{{Z26039|Q7257}}</nowiki> and could even have some aliasing done across languages so it could be <nowiki>{{subject is|Q7257}}</nowiki>. Code would be editable with a regular visual editor or code editor. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 04:34, 29 March 2026 (UTC) :This is available in pages when Parsoid rendering is enabled. We don't use this becuase it doesn't make sense for constructing and editing massive articles. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 21:37, 29 March 2026 (UTC) ::How do you do parsoid rendering? And why wouldn't it make sense? With aliases and everything could work great. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 23:12, 29 March 2026 (UTC) :::I believe it is enabled by default. If you do have it on: {{#function:Z10000|you'll s|ee this}} [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 14:54, 30 March 2026 (UTC) :you may be interested in reading this old [[m:Abstract_Wikipedia/Google.org_Fellows_evaluation|Google report]]. [[User:BrokenSegue|BrokenSegue]] ([[User talk:BrokenSegue|talk]]) 14:32, 9 May 2026 (UTC) == Why the editing API doesn't work == {{tracked|T423542}} Immanuelle wrongly stated that there is no REST API for editing. [[#REST API for editing?|There is]]. However, it does not work when called from software outside Abstract Wikipedia. That is because there is no way to grant a bot password or OAuth customer the permission to edit abstract articles (<code>wikilambda-abstract-edit</code>) and create them (<code>wikilambda-abstract-create</code>), since no grant on [[Special:ListGrants]] includes either. Should this be fixed? [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 01:57, 26 April 2026 (UTC) :Yes I think the rights should be added. I think the number of automated edits should be low at the moment as Abstract Wikipedia is still in an early phase and so far there is not much support for small languages and so many functions will maybe change to cover more languages. As automatic editing using a Bot Account requires an formal request it is no problem if the option exists. [[User:Hogü-456|Hogü-456]] ([[User talk:Hogü-456|talk]]) 18:17, 26 April 2026 (UTC) :Sounds good to me. Could we add a bot section to [[Abstract Wikipedia:Requests for permissions]]? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 23:35, 5 May 2026 (UTC) ::[[Abstract_Wikipedia:Requests_for_permissions#Bot]] ―[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''<span style="color:black">v</span>f</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 23:56, 5 May 2026 (UTC) :not currently possible :((((( [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 14:46, 30 April 2026 (UTC) :Feeglgeef is correct, past tense sentence generation is something we are sorely lacking at the moment. If you look at [[f:WF:Type proposals#Representing abstract content|Wikifunctions' type proposals]] you can see some initiatives that could hopefully mitigate this. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 13:49, 1 May 2026 (UTC) == Project scope == Might be a stupid question but what articles are/will be allowed on Abstract Wikipedia? How far is it meant to expand? The language Wikipedias have some differing policies, so might not be as simple as copying those. Personally I find the idea of creating an article for any and every Wikidata item really cool and a good ''baseline'' for what can have an article, but wouldn't ~120 million abstract articles become unwieldy? If the only requirement is that the article topic has a Wikidata item, then there are many interesting possibilities; one could write about individual dates, Wikidata test items, even Wikimedia disambiguation pages. Have not found where this is explained, if anywhere. This may be up to common sense, but trouble is, couldn't one create an encyclopedically meaningful article on just about anything? Pretty important policy not to have if it's undecided, though is not a problem at the moment. Just wondering. [[User:Some helpful person|Some helpful person]] ([[User talk:Some helpful person|talk]]) 23:36, 1 May 2026 (UTC) :This isn't a stupid question and I don't think this is entirely settled. Have you seen [[Abstract Wikipedia:About]]? [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 23:57, 1 May 2026 (UTC) ::Ah, I forgot about that page. So it is meant to abstract information from existing Wikipedia articles? Makes sense, though it still raises the question of creating new articles. [[User:Some helpful person|Some helpful person]] ([[User talk:Some helpful person|talk]]) 00:41, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :::At this juncture, I don't think anyone has in mind drafting anything new here as such: this is just responding to existing Wikidata items and the possibility of new Wikipedia articles drafted from them, using Wikifunctions. [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 00:51, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :I don't think we ever get any article an existing wiki does not have. Even if abstract content creation gets as fast as reasonably possible, it will never beat out typing text, so we will never catch up with, say, enwiki or eswiki. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 01:10, 2 May 2026 (UTC) ::It's also a question of policy. There are topics about which things could be said, but which wouldn't meet the baseline notability or other criteria of the big monolingual wikis. [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 20:22, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :::This is true, if we keep [[d:]]'s notability policy (which seems like the most natural one) then there are many subjects that we theoretically can talk about that don't meet the [[w:WP:GNG|GNG]] and similar guidelines. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 22:25, 2 May 2026 (UTC) == How many articles in how many languages are actually fully available without errors == This is a response to the call in [[:f:Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-05-02]]. The most important thing to count is already listed there: '''How many articles in how many languages are actually fully available without errors?''' It should be not just a count, but a list: I want to see which articles are readable in which languages; which articles are readable in some languages, but not others (which ones?); which articles are not readable in any language; etc. An even more relevant, but much harder to measure thing is how many of those articles are actually more useful than not having an article at all. There is no article about Boston in many languages, but [[Q100]], which currently says "Boston is the capital of Massachusetts.Boston is the largest city of Massachusetts." is not significantly more useful than nothing at all even if it's fully rendered in another language in which there is no concrete article about it. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 12:12, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :Perhaps this should have been on the talk page of that status update instead of the project chat? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 18:25, 2 May 2026 (UTC) ::The status update is about two projects and so I can understand if there are comments here. What do you think about creating a status update overview page with links to the status updates in Abstract Wikipedia to offer the possibility to discuss the status updates and especially things related to Abstract Wikipedia there. [[User:Hogü-456|Hogü-456]] ([[User talk:Hogü-456|talk]]) 18:57, 4 May 2026 (UTC) :::I don't think that's necessary. You can just include your abstractwiki (as in, the live wiki, not the project) related comments on the page on [[f:]], or, if for some reason that's not possible, as a reply to the newsletter announcement here. The point is, the project chat is crowded enough with topics as it is, ideally it should be more focussed on general matters of discussion than close-ended enquiries about topics that have their own talk page. I find Amire80's use of a new == heading here to be improper. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 19:32, 4 May 2026 (UTC) == Spaces between sentences, another attempt == [[Abstract Wikipedia:Project chat#Extra spaces between sentences|A month ago]], @[[User:内存溢出的猫|内存溢出的猫]]<ref group="spaces3>According to Google Translate, it's pronounced "Nèicún yìchū de māo". Please correct me if it's wrong. When I write, I want to know how are things that I write pronounced aloud, and very unfortunately, I never learned to read Chinese characters, and even if I did, most English speakers probably didn't. Come to think of it, is there a function that ''reliably'' transliterates Chinese characters?</ref> That discussion doesn't seem to have yielded any fixes or meaningful discussions, at least not that I can see. [[Abstract Wikipedia:Project chat#Spaces between sentences|Two weeks ago]], I tried to bring up a similar topic, but that discussion somehow got derailed and also didn't yield anything useful. Now, the problem looks differently, but it's still a problem. When I look at [[Q10251]], for example, what I see is four sentences that ''appear'' with ''no'' spaces between them. Not one, not two—none at all. It looks like this: :Plasma is a fundamental state of matter.Plasma is a classical state of matter.A plasma is a gas.A plasma is a matter. Note that I emphasized ''appear'': When I see them rendered on the screen, they have no spaces between them. In the HTML, however, they are represented as four <code><nowiki><div></nowiki></code>s, and their inline positioning is handled by CSS. This means, for example, that if I copy and paste them, I don't get a long string with no spaces after full stops, but four sentences with a single line break after each full stop: <poem> Plasma is a fundamental state of matter. Plasma is a classical state of matter. A plasma is a gas. A plasma is a matter. </poem> This is not how it is supposed to be done. <code><nowiki><div></nowiki></code>s are supposed to be used for block elements and not hacked into appearing as if they are inline (also known as phrasing). Spaces between sentences are supposed to be real characters rather than HTML and CSS tricks, they may be different in different languages, and in some languages they may be nothing at all. I hope that the definition of the problem is clear. <references group="spaces3"></references> [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 12:49, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :Hi, have a look at it [[Special:PermanentLink/7132|now]]. Does this match your expectations? I think it's not rendering right now for whatever reason, but there are other examples of it being done this way that you can see: [[Q241691]]. The article renders properly in both English (spaces between sentences) and Japanese (no spaces at all). : :'''English:''' :<blockquote>Programmed Data Processor is a computer model series by Digital Equipment Corporation. PDP-8 is a Programmed Data Processor.</blockquote> :'''Japanese:''' :<blockquote>PDPシリーズはディジタル・イクイップメント・コーポレーションによるコンピュータ・モデル・シリーズである。PDP-8はPDPシリーズである。</blockquote> : :I have some, err, strong opinions about [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]]'s 「Abstract Wikipedia Editor」 tool, which is the predominant cause for all of these very janky and poorly-laid-out articles that you see. This is not how an article ought to be written on Abstract Wikipedia, and I and other editors are aware of this. If you see these problems, please do fix them! The wiki will be all the better for it. : :In the absence of consensus on such things as these (and awaiting any official policy pages) I have written [[f:User:Theki/best practices]] on my Wikifunctions userpage. You are welcome to read it if you wish. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 17:20, 2 May 2026 (UTC) ::The output of [[Q241691]] looks OK to me in this regard. How was it done? ::[[Q10251]] gives me an error. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 18:10, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :::WikiLambda is doing WikiLambda things. This WASI time limit error happens intermittently on Abstract Wikipedia articles and it usually goes away after a short while. The only thing is that it doesn't really seem like purging these articles does anything to force the orchestrator to retry its evaluation so the article might not render that paragraph until someone comes in and pokes at it by editing it somehow. ::: :::The working article uses the [[f:Z33068|''paragraph from sentences'']] function to lay out its individual sentence content. This function automatically handles converting any and all text-like objects (strings, HTML fragments, and monolingual text) to a consistent form, so sentence fragments can all be supplied verbatim to its list input. When the function is putting the sentences together it defaults to using a single space to separate them, but first checks if the requested language is in the [[f:Z33984|''languages without spaces between sentences'']] list. If it is, it doesn't add spaces at all, and just concatenates the sentences normally. I hope this explanation makes sense. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 18:19, 2 May 2026 (UTC) ::::It makes some sense, but earlier, you suggested: "If you see these problems, please do fix them", and I'm not entirely sure how to do it. How would I fix it in [[Q100]], for example? [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 19:41, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :::::In this case you would do the following: :::::# At the bottom, click the plus and then 「Add empty fragment」. :::::# Set the function to [[f:Z33068]], as mentioned earlier. :::::# Now go through each sentence fragment, find the innermost sentence-generation function, click on the three dots, and copy it. Do not copy the calls to [[f:Z29749]] or similar, these are not necessary. :::::# Go to the ''paragraph with sentences'' function call and add an element to the list. :::::# Click on the three dots next to the new element, and paste in the earlier sentence fragment. :::::# You can now delete the original fragment and repeat the process in the same list for the one after it. :::::&mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 19:46, 2 May 2026 (UTC) ::@[[User:Theki|Theki]] I intend on fixing it, I recently made an attempt but the suggested fixes made problems worse. Do you have any practical suggestions of how to structure the templates? I will try to implement them when I have more time. ::Also your name is very confusing, are you in the process of getting it changed wiki-wide? [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 22:36, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :::Um, are you referring to my signature not matching my wiki username? I have considered for a long time changing it from ''theki'', but I don't feel like putting in the effort when it seems to be perfectly ignorable for most people. The user 「''Rae''」 can't be usurped because they made, like, two or three articles on the Persian Wikipedia two decades ago or something, I don't know. If that weren't the case I would be User:Rae right now but after that failed to go through I just decided to stop bothering. Maybe at some point I'll come up with a username I'm happy with keeping for the foreseeable future but I have other concerns at the moment. :::Could you explain how your attempted fixes 「made problems worse」? Presently I side with Feeglgeef's sentiments and prefer to wait for abstract content to actually be feasible to make on a reasonably descriptive scale (see: the type proposals) before I go around making articles willy-nilly, which is what AWE has been doing—making a bunch of pretty low-quality articles on a massive scale when it probably ''really'' would have been better to, err, hold off on that. :::And I honestly know very little about the actual workings of your editor, I don't really use it nor am I familiar with its template syntax or whatever it may use, so I'm going to look over how it actually works and then get back to you on that. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 23:28, 2 May 2026 (UTC) ::::Using this [[f:Z33068]] made things worse [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 00:44, 3 May 2026 (UTC) :::::That did not go through correctly but I do not think we have a proper thing for it. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 00:45, 3 May 2026 (UTC) ::::::What? Could you elaborate? &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 01:00, 3 May 2026 (UTC) ::::::{{ping|Immanuelle}} I checked. Your issue is that your editor is not providing the article language to Z33068K2; that is, the ''paragraph from sentences'' function has a second argument, and your editor was omitting it. If you properly specify it, it will work. Please, next time, actually tell me what went wrong instead of going quiet and forcing me to look after it myself. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 17:06, 4 May 2026 (UTC) :I avoid [[f:Z33068]] for now, because executing a whole paragraph in a single call would often time out. So my current alternative is inserting [[f:Z35672]] between sentences. Fairly clunky, but it works... --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 06:08, 28 May 2026 (UTC) ::Can you categorize the talk pages of articles you're doing that with? It has major accessibility concerns for our friends using screen readers, so it'd be nice to be able to find those with issues when were able to fix the calls [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 21:50, 28 May 2026 (UTC) :::I think the new tool can show us this (via dumps). For example, here are the uses of 'paragraph': https://abstract-data.toolforge.org/zid/Z32123 --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 23:07, 28 May 2026 (UTC) ::::There's more than one way to not use spaces correctly and more than one way to use spaces correctly, this wouldn't catch all of them. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 23:13, 28 May 2026 (UTC) :::::I'm not totally sure what you want to track, but I'm confident that this will find all my uses. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 02:10, 29 May 2026 (UTC) ::::I think it slipped past everyone's notice, but I made a template for linking to that sort of information @ [[Template:Zd|<nowiki>{{</nowiki>zd<nowiki>}}</nowiki>]]. {{zd|Z35672|sentence separator}} <span style="font-size:smaller;opacity:0.8">(I don't think the database dumps have noticed the function you're using yet, so it's a 404 at the moment.)</span> &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 01:09, 29 May 2026 (UTC) ===Easier solution?=== Maybe a much easier solution would be to replace the "." after each sentence with ". " (a full stop and a space). The paragraghs might add an extra space, but that is displayed as one by the browser. [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) == Most used fragments == [[:f:Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-05-02|The latest status update]] lists the most used fragments: "[[:f:Z32123]] with 1452, followed by [[:f:Z27868]] with 736 and [[:f:Z29749]] with 650)". How was this calculated? [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 13:44, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :Again, this should definitely have been on the talk page for that status update. This isn't the everything page, it should be used for discussion relating to the wiki. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 18:26, 2 May 2026 (UTC) ::It's not a question just about the status update, even if it was prompted by it. It's a question about Abstract Wikipedia that can be relevant beyond the status update. ::Stop policing how people use discussion pages without a particularly good reason. If you don't have an answer to the actual question, don't write anything. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 19:38, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :::I have to agree with Feeglgeef that this would be better raised on the status update's talk page itself. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 19:42, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :::I'm "policing" which discussion pages are being used for the same reason different discussion spaces exist in the first place. And your distinction between "just about" and "prompted by" is irrelevant. If I want to ask someone how they did something, I would ask them first, not go to a general discussion board. This is still the project ''chat'', not a Q&A zone. {{ping|DVrandecic (WMF)|p=,}} can you please answer the question? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 22:22, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :I have a local script that I have run on a local copy. Nothing more complicated than that. Could also be very wrong -- the script hasn't been peer-reviewed or anything. --[[User:DVrandecic (WMF)|DVrandecic (WMF)]] ([[User talk:DVrandecic (WMF)|talk]]) 08:54, 4 May 2026 (UTC) ::Thanks, @[[User:DVrandecic (WMF)|DVrandecic (WMF)]]. Can you share the code, please? I'll be happy to review it. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 15:30, 4 May 2026 (UTC) ==Wiktionary integration== I was trying out a few functions recently, such as [https://www.wikifunctions.org/view/en/Z27243 the new superlative function], and I noticed that ''every adjective'' has to be a Wikidata item. For example, I couldn't type in the inputs "Bugatti Veyron", "fast", "Earth" because "fast" as an adjective is not a Wikidata item. This doesn't really make sense, given that Wiktionary already has the word for "fast" and its superlative form in many different languages. Would it be possible to integrate Wiktionary into the function, so the user can type an adjective or verb from Wiktionary instead of having to deal with Wikidata (which consists almost entirely of nouns)? [[User:Somepinkdude|Somepinkdude]] ([[User talk:Somepinkdude|talk]]) 16:49, 6 May 2026 (UTC) :No, sadly. I would try "speed" as the adjective, though, you have to use abstract qualities instead of concrete English terms. [[File:Wikifunctions Superlative speed example.png|thumb|Here's an example of the word being used.]] [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 18:02, 6 May 2026 (UTC) :Wikidata has standard items as well as lexeme data, so if anything, we should try to integrate those. E.g. [[:d:Lexeme:L1029]]. ―[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''<span style="color:black">v</span>f</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 19:48, 6 May 2026 (UTC) ::I tried this, and it gave "Bugatti Veyron is the speedest car on Earth", which is laughably bad. The problem is that Wikidata does not "know" what the superlative form is, while Wiktionary does. Speed is a fairly common descriptor, but what about less common adjectives which aren't on Wikidata? Will there need to be a bot to copy all of this information from Wiktionary? [[User:Somepinkdude|Somepinkdude]] ([[User talk:Somepinkdude|talk]]) 22:14, 6 May 2026 (UTC) :::I'm not suggesting that the functionality works <em>now</em>, but that we need to integrate the funcationality. ―[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''<span style="color:black">v</span>f</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 22:17, 6 May 2026 (UTC) :::Well, no, the superlative form is chosen by [[f:Z12203]]. I think there's a bug with the English implementation that calls that function wrong. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 22:19, 6 May 2026 (UTC) :@[[User:Somepinkdude|Somepinkdude]] I did find the item {{Q|Q19807466}} which was linked to a concept database's entry for "fast"; I have at least linked it to the English lexeme "fast" and will try to add more links at a better hour. [[User:Mahir256|Mahir256]] ([[User talk:Mahir256|talk]]) 04:18, 7 May 2026 (UTC) == Showcase == I was wondering if there's a curated list of decent articles to learn by example here on Abstract Wikipedia? [[User:Fgnievinski|Fgnievinski]] ([[User talk:Fgnievinski|talk]]) 02:02, 8 May 2026 (UTC) :Unfortunately not, and, honestly, I wouldn't recommend article creation at the moment, it's likely to need significant refactoring as the way we represent abstract content changes, but, I can point you to [[Q668]] as a reasonably good example at the moment. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 02:39, 8 May 2026 (UTC) ::Thank you. "308 languages" blew my mind – well done! [[User:Fgnievinski|Fgnievinski]] ([[User talk:Fgnievinski|talk]]) 02:54, 8 May 2026 (UTC) :::308 is the number of ''concrete'' Wikipedias in which a manually-written article about India is available. :::The abstract article renders for me in English as "India is a country in Asia. India is a republic. New Delhi is the capital of India. India is the most populous country in world." Switching to another language to get rendered as an abstract article is done by typing the language's name in the box above the rendered text. I tried French, German, and Dutch, and got errors in all of them. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 03:12, 8 May 2026 (UTC) ::::So it goes. The paragraph has quite a lot of distinct sentence generation functions, all of which of course have to be implemented in the target language. This will be rounded out once we're able to more effectively generalize linguistic content. I view these functions as sort of patchy temporary solutions to the sentence generation problem while we figure out something more robust, which I hope is soon to come. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 04:15, 8 May 2026 (UTC) == Wikifunctions & Abstract Wikipedia Newsletter #247 is out: References from Wikidata now available == There is [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-05-08|a new update]] for Abstract Wikipedia and Wikifunctions. Please, come and read it! In this issue, we announce that is now possible to pass references in Wikidata statements, we introduce the [https://abstract-data.toolforge.org/ Abstract Data dashboard], we report you on the presentation about Abstract Wikipedia at WikiCon Australia, and we take a look at the latest software developments. Want to catch up with the previous updates? Check [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates|our archive]]! Also, we remind you that if you have questions or ideas to discuss, the next '''Volunteers' Corner''' will be held on '''[https://zonestamp.toolforge.org/1778520600 May 11, at 17:30 UTC]''' ([https://meet.google.com/xuy-njxh-rkw link to the meeting]). Enjoy the reading! -- [[User:Sannita (WMF)|User:Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 11:16, 8 May 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Sannita (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Wikifunctions_%26_Abstract_Wikipedia&oldid=30325620 --> == about the usage of Z33068 == The use of [[f:Z33068]] (en: paragraph from sentences) <s>always</s> most of the time results in the error "Reached time limit in orchestrator." So should it be used at all for now, temporarily? Or maybe there are already some tickets about this that I am not aware of? -- [[User:Asked42|Asked42]] ([[User talk:Asked42|talk]]) 18:23, 10 May 2026 (UTC) :It previously worked, so I'm hoping whatever the issue is will be fixed soon. The current state of the wiki makes [[m:Immediatism|immediatism]] an illogical philosophy to have at the moment, in my opinion. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 20:16, 10 May 2026 (UTC) ::This issue seems to no longer exist, you might need to clear the cache by making a dummy edit on affected articles. I implemented the function in Python (instead of composition), which has increased the speed by about 2000 ms. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 04:31, 11 May 2026 (UTC) :::Seems like working. Thank you. -- [[User:Asked42|Asked42]] ([[User talk:Asked42|talk]]) 19:06, 11 May 2026 (UTC) == Manual of Style == I've created a [[Abstract Wikipedia:Manual of Style|draft for a Manual of Style]]. Please feel free to comment on or make bold edits to the page. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 03:29, 11 May 2026 (UTC) :Thank you! That’s great and I’ll look at it more soon. I’m still taking a bit of a wikibreak. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 22:32, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :Is there anything I've written [[f:User:Theki/best_practices#Abstract_Wikipedia|here]] that you think would make for a good technical section of the page? &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 00:04, 15 May 2026 (UTC) ::I've added some of them. Thank you for your list of best practices by the way, I generally agree with them (I can't endorse connecting WD items currently in hope of a better technical solution, but otherwise I do). [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 00:58, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Proposals on the architecture of Abstract Content rendering == Starting from a discussion born on the Wikifunctions Telegram chat, I've explained two different proposals on how the NLG on Abstract Wikipedia should be organized in the page [[User:Dv103/Abstract articles architectures]]. Please come to contribute to the discussion, or to propose alternatives. [[User:Dv103|Dv103]] ([[User talk:Dv103|talk]]) 14:32, 11 May 2026 (UTC) == [[MediaWiki:Wikimedia-copyright-footer]] == The copyright message has a few issues, mainly that it does not address abstract content (which is not "text"), nor object labels (which are under CC0). Proposed text: "<nowiki> Text and abstract content are available under the [https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/ Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License]; the labels of objects from [[f:|Wikifunctions]] are available under the [https://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/ Creative Commons CC0 License]; additional terms may apply. See [https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Policy:Terms_of_Use Terms of Use] for details. </nowiki>" Which, when rendered, looks like: Text and abstract content are available under the [https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/ Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License]; the labels of objects from [[f:|Wikifunctions]] are available under the [https://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/ Creative Commons CC0 License]; additional terms may apply. See [https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Policy:Terms_of_Use Terms of Use] for details. The message is somewhat inspired by the current one and WF's. Thoughts? Thank you! [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 13:30, 12 May 2026 (UTC) :@[[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]]: As you probably imagine, this text is very tightly controlled by the Wikimedia Foundation's Legal department. I think the first port of call should be a discussion about why you might want to change things, rather than a rush to specific re-wordings, before approaching them for sign-off. [[User:Jdforrester (WMF)|Jdforrester (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Jdforrester (WMF)|talk]]) 14:28, 12 May 2026 (UTC) ::Well I briefly summarized my justification, my proposed text was just an idea for a starting point. Basically, the abstract content is not really "text", so the footer doesn't actually tell the reader what they're allowed to do with it, and I argue that the current wording implies that the labels are licensed under CC-BY-SA 4, when they aren't. I think a change is critical as otherwise we're not showing the reader a license, or, arguably, in the case of labels, showing users a license that ''does not apply'', which is a pretty bad thing. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 14:51, 12 May 2026 (UTC) == [[MediaWiki:AbstractWikiSuggestedWikifunctions.json]] == I'd think we should add [[f:Z33068]] here. The function allows you to form a paragraph out of sentences and handles languages having different standards of whether to add a space between them, and adding it here would make finding it easier. I'm not sure what policy we want to have for the suggested functions, this idea might help formulate it. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 16:06, 12 May 2026 (UTC) :[[User:Jdforrester (WMF)]] tells me the page has been changed to [[Special:CommunityConfiguration/AbstractWikiSuggestedWikifunctions]] on the telegram. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 16:25, 12 May 2026 (UTC) ::@[[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]]: Yup, see the weekly update on [[f:Wikifunctions:Status_updates/2026-05-02|2026-05-02]]. [[User:Jdforrester (WMF)|Jdforrester (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Jdforrester (WMF)|talk]]) 16:35, 12 May 2026 (UTC) :I also believe Z33068 should be added to the list. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 17:25, 12 May 2026 (UTC) {{done}} see [[Special:Diff/7692]]. Cheers, [[User:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[User talk:VIGNERON|talk]]) 09:08, 20 May 2026 (UTC) == Abstract Wikipedia statistics site source code == https://abstract-data.toolforge.org/ is a very useful tool, but it doesn't seem to have anything pointing to the location of its source code. Is it closed-source or unfree? While I'm at it I feel I should suggest having language pages' paths formatted differently from how they are currently—at the moment it's <code>/languages/Toki%20Pona</code> when something like <code>/languages/tok</code> would be more suitable. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; : See [[:gitlab:toolforge-repos/abstract-data]]. Also pinging {{ping|DSantamaria-WMF|p=}} (thanks for the tool, by the way). [[User:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|<span class="skin-invert" style="color:black;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:110%;font-weight:normal;line-height:normal">NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh</span>]] 00:25, 13 May 2026 (UTC) ::Thank you. I think a link to that repository should be put in a footer somewhere on the website as I wouldn't have found that if not for you. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 02:30, 13 May 2026 (UTC) :::{{ping|Theki}} For the record, I found that repo by searching for "abstract-data" on [[:toolhub:|Toolhub]]. [[User:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|<span class="skin-invert" style="color:black;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:110%;font-weight:normal;line-height:normal">NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh</span>]] 03:34, 13 May 2026 (UTC) :::Thanks for the feedback and the report, fixed both things, we have now the link to the repo in the side bar footer, and also the language codes are used in the URLs. Thanks! [[User:DSantamaria-WMF|DSantamaria-WMF]] ([[User talk:DSantamaria-WMF|talk]]) 11:46, 13 May 2026 (UTC) ::::Are you particularly attached to keeping country flag emojis next to the language names? Some consider it an [https://flagsarenotlanguages.com/blog anti-pattern]. [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 16:17, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::I think the use of flags is not really harmful since this is not a ''language selector'', it is just a list of languages. Of course not every language has an associated flag, for example Latin, which does look a bit awkward, but it can't be helped. Maybe give languages without a flag a unique icon from Wikimedia Commons? e.g. <div style="display:inline-flex;align-items:center;border:1px solid #0002;border-radius:4px;gap:4px;padding:4px;">[[File:Toki pona.svg|16px]] Toki Pona</div> instead of <div style="display:inline-flex;align-items:center;border:1px solid #0002;border-radius:4px;gap:4px;padding:4px;"><span>🌐</span>Toki Pona</div>. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 16:37, 14 May 2026 (UTC) ::::::I thought I saw 🏛️ being used for Latin earlier. But of course, as far as the Unicode Consortium is concerned, [[Q65300415|🇬🇧]] doesn't mean '[[Q1680|English]]', no more than [[Q100587670|🏳️‍🌈]] means '[[Q1359130|Polari]]'; technically, it doesn't even mean '[[Q145|United Kingdom]]', just the letters 🇺 and 🇰 next to each other (which linguistically would indicate [[Q8798|Ukrainian]] in ISO 639, but these are 'regional indicator symbols'). [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 17:21, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::As seems (from this comment and also [[f:User_talk:DSantamaria-WMF#c-%E9%AD%94%E7%90%B4-20260513063700-Country_flags_in_abstract-data|others' comments]]) that flags are a little bit controversial, I just removed them, IMHO it was just an aesthetic concept, I like the look and feel that flags bring to the language labels, but happy to remove them if make some people feel uncomfortable with the concept. [[User:DSantamaria-WMF|DSantamaria-WMF]] ([[User talk:DSantamaria-WMF|talk]]) 05:54, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Make it more user Friendly == Make it more user-friendly by adding drag-and-drop compenots and one click additions, and make it similar to a visual macro buidler. [[User:ChippyTechGH|ChippyTechGH]] ([[User talk:ChippyTechGH|talk]]) 01:00, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :Could you file something like this on [[phab:|phabricator]]? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 01:01, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Person infoboxes == Hi all, I've just created [[f:Z35167|infobox for person (Z35167)]]. All it can really do presently is display the name of the person in the chosen language and in the person's native language, but it's a good start. I started writing it as a composition but chose to switch to writing it in JavaScript instead, which ended up being less headache-inducing (managing a large list of strings to concatenate together is not fun, plus compositions bring lots of additional overhead). Unfortunately, this means that the actual ''useful'' parts of the infobox—the information about the person themself—is not really doable. I'd need to dereference the Wikidata property references to get their label in the requested language, but since they're references and I'm working with code, not compositions, I can't just call [[f:Z6822|fetch Wikidata property (Z6822)]] and be done with it. If there's a WikiLambda API to do this inside of the JS itself that would be great and would solve everything, but at the moment that alone is what's holding it back, or so it seems. I can get the actual ''values'' of statements just fine, though. If I am missing some amazing WikiLambda API function that will solve this problem for me by letting me dereference the PID, then please let me know because that would be great. If you want to look at an example of the infobox right meow, you can view [https://abstract.wikipedia.org/view/tok/Q317521 Q317521 in Toki Pona] and see how it states Musk's name in both Toki Pona ''and'' his native English name. COOL! My hope is that this can be made less barebones in the near future. Infoboxes are a great way to get quick information on a subject and can fill in the informational gaps in the presently sparse articles we have at the moment, all while staying in the user's requested language. Feedback is appreciated! &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 02:58, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :Thank you for this! I wonder if perhaps it would be better to create one "infobox" function and then have compositions call that, making wd retrival possible? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 03:38, 15 May 2026 (UTC) ::Working on that at the moment, I think I've got it working but I'm hitting a ratelimit in the orchestrator so I don't know for sure. The main issue with it now is that the actual [[f:Z35175|infobox template (Z35175)]] wrapper was programmed in JS so as to not be a pain in the ass, so this means that it can only take in strings, HTML fragments, etc. so the retrieval of Wikidata stuff still needs to be done by the caller and is rather verbose (see [[f:Z35168|the main implementation]]). The niceties will come soon later once I know that it all works at a lower level, though. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 05:04, 15 May 2026 (UTC) ::So the problem now seems to be that when [[f:Z29825|label of Wikidata property in language (Z29825)]] isn't being faulty, it's being incredibly slow. Considering retrieving Wikidata items from their references seems to take, like, four to five seconds, and we'll have tens of statements in these infoboxes, I don't see how the property names could be retrieved in a way that doesn't cause the orchestrator to time out or hit a ratelimit. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 06:01, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :::I think I figured something out? I'm just going to try calling [[f:Z35036|fetch Wikidata property or parts (Z35036)]], it seems to be much faster for whatever reason. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 06:05, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :::It works now, a little rough around the edges, also very slow, but I think I'm mostly happy with it. Of course it would be great if all you needed to provide to the template function to get a label-statement row was the property reference itself, but I'm too sleep-deprived to figure that out at the moment. I made five bespoke functions specifically for this infobox, more than I would like, but it's probably not ''that'' bad. I'm just hoping I didn't duplicate any functionality in trying to make the composition less verbose and repetitive. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 07:15, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Wikifunctions & Abstract Wikipedia Newsletter #248 is out: A higher meaning == There is [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-05-15|a new update]] for Abstract Wikipedia and Wikifunctions. Please, come and read it! In this issue, we discuss functions creating language fragments, we present our latest news in Types, and we take a look at the latest software developments. Want to catch up with the previous updates? Check [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates|our archive]]! Enjoy the reading! -- [[User:Sannita (WMF)|User:Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 14:36, 15 May 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Sannita (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Wikifunctions_%26_Abstract_Wikipedia&oldid=30536976 --> == Translations == Yes, this question is probably easily answerable through a Web search, but I thought I'd ask here anyways. I am unfortunately not bilingual... I know Toki Pona, but it's a constructed language. I'd love to be a polyglot of some sorts but that is a future thing. I've been trying to translate pages into tok, for funsies mostly. At any rate, I want to convert some of the un-translated pages, namely Feeglgeef's policy drafts, into ones that can be translated (and then translate them into Toki Pona of course). I think I have to be a translation administrator for this? Which is a process that I'd have to ''apply'' for, and I doubt I have the credentials to be accepted for such a role. Regardless, is there a way I can go about this without having to do it through someone else? I can probably easily find documentation on marking pages for translation but I don't know how much I'm actually capable of doing as just a regular user. Should I apply? &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 14:15, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :Most of the process of preparing a page for translation can be done by any editor. See [[:mw:Help:Extension:Translate/Page translation example]]. :The step of marking a page or translation for the first time or after changes must be done by a translation administrator. :I recommend learning the <nowiki><translate> and <tvar></nowiki> syntax and using it on a few pages before applying for this permission. After you do it on a few pages, and you feel confident, and you want to do it more, you can ask for the permission. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 14:28, 20 May 2026 (UTC) ::Just to confirm, did I mark up [[Special:Diff/8138|this page]] for translation properly? I thought to give the hatnote its own <code>&lt;translate&gt;</code> enclosure so as to exclude the indent and italicization from needing to be included in the translatable text. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 15:10, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :::Mostly properly, but don't exclude <code><nowiki>''</nowiki></code> for italics from translation. It's generally a good idea to exclude complex markup from translation because it's hard for many people to type, and it usually stays the same in translation anyway. <code><nowiki>''</nowiki></code> for italics is different, however: it's very simple to type and familiar to most editors; italic letters are used differently in different languages, and in some languages they aren't used at all, so translators need the freedom to use them appropriately; this markup can also appear in the middle of a translation unit and not only in the ends. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 15:35, 20 May 2026 (UTC) ::::Thank you for the guidance. Should the italics be included if they are used over the entire hatnote? I figure that placement of italics should be left up to the discretion of the translators, but the hatnote itself is meant to be entirely italicized, I would think irrespective of the language it's in. Is this the right idea or should they still be kept within the translation unit? &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 15:45, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :::::Yes, italics should be included in the translation unit if they are used over the entire hatnote. Some languages don't use italic writing at all, so it shouldn't be forced. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 18:36, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :I'd support a translation administrator request ;), for reasons below. I'm not sure why we need a seperate translation administrator right, or why we have to call it an "administrator" (deciding that a page could be translated is a much less important role than, say, page deletion, or blocking). We picked three of them (well, one of them went through the WMF, so we picked two), [https://abstract.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Log?type=pagetranslation&user=&page=&excludetempacct=1&wpdate=&tagfilter=&wpfilters%5B%5D=newusers&wpFormIdentifier=logeventslist they don't appear very active, though], only marking 9 times this month, zero (0) of which were for pages marked for the first time. Both community translation admins used their global history and rights to get the role and only stop by occasionally, so having one who ''actually'' edits here would be nice. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 15:06, 20 May 2026 (UTC) ::This reply echos my philosophy of a sort of wiki-[[Q166005|xenophobia]] (the term xenophobia is probably too harsh, and I wouldn't consider myself one in real life, but it's the best word I can think of), I generally distrust users with a lot of global rights (both global sysop etc. and large amounts of local rights) who come make [[m:Metapedianism|metapedian]] contributions, not as people but to their ability to handle Wikifunctions and Abstract Wikipedia as incredibly unique and technically complex projects. I apologize if it my opinions come off as rude or ungrateful, I do appreciate the work of our translation administrators. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 15:26, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :::You don't bother me, it's fine. I think they definitely have a place, they can be useful and they usually are. Obviously local admins and what have you that earned their roles through the trust and reputation of the specific community they are in are going to occupy a more trusting position in my mind than a global sysop or global ''anything''. Specialized role members are good and healthy in the long term; I think we are giving these privileges to global users sparingly as the project is still in its infancy and as core contributors emerge and take up key positions we will have a more well-rounded and self-sustaining community with less global privileges needed to take up certain tasks. Wikifunctions probably needed some Foundation members or other staff to act as functioneers initially while the general community was still orienting themselves with WikiLambda and working on applying for the role, but now we have [[f:Special:ListUsers/functioneer|74(!) of them]] and the number of normal members using their specialized skills outnumbers those who were "grandfathered" in (for lack of a better term) or similar. The wiki is young—it just needs time. I myself have been considering applying for sysop privileges since they are obviously needed (there being exactly Zero of them at the moment); I've been weighing the pros and cons of such a commitment, it's obviously a lot to take up. I wish your sysop request went through, I think you would have made a great admin here. I'm unsure of what others think of my capabilities, I'm rather in-and-out around these social spaces so I don't know if there's much to go off of. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 15:55, 20 May 2026 (UTC) ::::Totally agree, and I'd support a sysopship request as well, though I'm apparently not good at assessing what the community considers supportable in admin candidate ;). ::::Off-topic, but interestingly, the sysop toolset allows you to grant yourself translation adminship. I'm not sure if sysops are expected not to grant themselves the permissions (kind of like how on enwiki 'crats are expected not grant themselves any rights without discussion despite having the technical rights), but I did it to myself on WF because [https://www.wikifunctions.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&logid=84940 another sysop had]. Additionally, the functioneer right [[Special:ListGroupRights#functioneer|exists on this wiki]], with the same rights on WF, despite all of them not doing anything on this wiki. I believe this is because, on the technical side, both AW and WF are powered by the same MediaWiki extension (Wikilambda), with one wiki set to a mode for abstract articles and another set to a mode for ZObjects. [https://dag.wikipedia.org/wiki/Di%C5%8B%27gahim:ListGroupRights#functioneer Checking the Dagbani Wikipedia] supports this theory. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 18:00, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :::::It always depends on the local policy. For Wikifunctions it is: ''Administrators do not need to undergo another discussion to become translation administrators; they can self-grant the rights to their account if necessary. Temporary administrators are not allowed to self-grant permanent translation administrator rights.'' :::::The availability of the functioneer right is a bug, see [[phab:T407066]]. --[[User:Ameisenigel|Ameisenigel]] ([[User talk:Ameisenigel|talk]]) 19:36, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :::If you don't consider yourself a xenophobe in real life, I would recommend not calling yourself that here, or anywhere really. Especially since it was the ideological capture during the 2010s of the Croatian-language Wikipedia [[w:hr:]] by actual xenophobes that was part of the impetus for Abstract Wikipedia according to [https://simia.net/wiki/Draft:_Collaborating_on_the_sum_of_all_knowledge_across_languages#A_look_on_some_south_Slavic_language_Wikipedias Denny's blog]. [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 22:10, 26 May 2026 (UTC) == Policy drafts == Hi all! I've written some draft policies and guidelines over the last few days. We're not a bureaucracy, so the point is not to set some rules but to kick off some discussions as to how our wiki will work. So far, I've created: * [[Abstract Wikipedia:Notability|a notability guideline]] * [[Abstract Wikipedia:Deletion policy|a deletion policy]] I've written them as my opinion on what should happen, but I'm hoping to align them with community consensus as we discuss them more. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 13:44, 21 May 2026 (UTC) == Wikifunctions & Abstract Wikipedia Newsletter #249 is out: Annual plan 2026-2027 == There is [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-05-23|a new update]] for Abstract Wikipedia and Wikifunctions. Please, come and read it! In this issue, we present you the current draft of objectives for Wikifunctions and Abstract Wikipedia in the WMF Annual Plan 2026-2027, and we take a look at the latest software developments. Want to catch up with the previous updates? Check [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates|our archive]]! Enjoy the reading! -- [[User:Sannita (WMF)|User:Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 09:48, 25 May 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Sannita (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Wikifunctions_%26_Abstract_Wikipedia&oldid=30536976 --> == To abstract Wikipedia or be the Abstract Wikipedia == There is a discussion happening about what the [[Abstract Wikipedia:Notability|notability criteria]] for Abstract Wikipedia should be, and in trying to participate I've found my idea of Abstract Wikipedia is awfully abstract. Is Abstract Wikipedia supposed to abstract Wikipedia, as in abstracting information from existing articles on the language Wikipedias (barring new contributions), or is it supposed to become the Abstract Wikipedia, supporting collaboration across all languages like it's the language Wikipedia to end all language Wikipedias (allowing new contributions)? I thought the answer would be obvious, but the name Abstract Wikipedia is a bit ambiguous. Am I missing something? [[User:Some helpful person|Some helpful person]] ([[User talk:Some helpful person|talk]]) 02:16, 27 May 2026 (UTC) :I think ({{ping|DVrandecic (WMF)|p=?}}) the idea is (and I personally prefer) the latter. I believe that, given the fact that it's much easier to write a concrete article than an abstract article, and the fact that the community of potential future contributors on enwiki is skeptical ''at best'', we ultimately will never expand beyond the size of other wikis, but I see no problem with allowing volunteers to add information not on other wikis (it's probably not the most effective, but they're volunteers, beggars can't be choosers), as long as it's not vandalism, useless, or promotional slop. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 02:31, 27 May 2026 (UTC) :@[[User:Some helpful person|Some helpful person]] Abstract Wikipedia is a Wikipedia, where people can collaborate across languages on articles, which can then be used to fill gaps in the existing Wikipedias. Whereas I expect that current Wikipedia articles might be used as a convenient starting point for many of the articles in Abstract Wikipedia, this is more a consequence of Wikipedia being one of the best places to go to to find reliable knowledge, but that is not part of how it is supposed to work. So, this is not to abstract the existing Wikipedias, but to collaborate on an Abstract Wikipedia. At no point is this meant to replace existing Wikipedias. (Thanks to @[[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] for the ping!) --[[User:DVrandecic (WMF)|DVrandecic (WMF)]] ([[User talk:DVrandecic (WMF)|talk]]) 17:01, 27 May 2026 (UTC) ::Thank you, this makes a lot more sense now. [[User:Some helpful person|Some helpful person]] ([[User talk:Some helpful person|talk]]) 21:52, 27 May 2026 (UTC) == template suggestion == Some way to mock abstract syntax on talk and project pages, analogous to those in [[d:category:format Template]]. [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 15:21, 27 May 2026 (UTC) :Hmm. I agree. :Workshopping ideas for how it works: :* Invokation: <nowiki>{{Call|Z26039|{"Z1K1": "Z18", "Z18K1": "Z825K1"}|{"Z1K1": "Z6091", "Z6091K1": "Q634"}|{"Z1K1": "Z18", "Z18K1": "Z825K1"}|lang=en}}</nowiki> :** This could then be suplemented by helper templates: <nowiki>{{Call|Z26039|{{Wikidata item argument reference}}|{{Wikidata item reference|Q634}}|{{Language argument reference}}}}</nowiki> :* This would result in "[[f:Z26039|subject is instance of (string)]] (wikidata item reference, [[d:Q634|planet]], language)" :** Icons are missing in this example, I'm not sure if we can actually add them :Thoughts? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 16:04, 27 May 2026 (UTC) == Marking NLG Default text == Some NLG functions give default texts, like [[f:Z33420|Z33420]] will give text like "Paris ∈ {city}". sometimes in other languages the English text is show. Currently there is no visual clue that these texts are not normal text in the requested language. I propose we mark these text with color <span style="color:magenta;">Paris ∈ {city}</span> with something like <nowiki><span style="color:magenta;">Paris ∈ {city}</span></nowiki>. To have this configurable/maintainable this could be included in a function, called NLG default text or so, with a text as input an a text in color as output. The exact formatting like magenta color or gray background or something else can be discussed/decided later. To have it even more configurable on personal stylesheets it could use a class like <nowiki><span class="NLG Default text">Paris ∈ {city}</span></nowiki>. What do you think? Could somebody make such a function already? [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 12:00, 29 May 2026 (UTC) :The are technically just monolingual texts in a language called "multiple languages". I threw a prototype together really quickly, [[f:Z35839]]. It will accept strings, monolingual texts, and html fragments as input, so you have to select which type you want. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 14:59, 29 May 2026 (UTC) ::OK, thanks, I added it to [[f:Z26039]] and works as expected, see [https://www.wikifunctions.org/wiki/Z26039?call=%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z7%22%2C%22Z7K1%22%3A%22Z26039%22%2C%22Z26039K1%22%3A%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z6091%22%2C%22Z6091K1%22%3A%22Q64%22%7D%2C%22Z26039K2%22%3A%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z6091%22%2C%22Z6091K1%22%3A%22Q515%22%7D%2C%22Z26039K3%22%3A%22Z1555%22%7D here]. The test for the function with default text now fails because it now is in magenta color. That was to be expected. I will leave the tests unchanged if that is OK with you, as we might need to change the exact formatting. ::Is it OK to add this to other NLG functions that produce default output? [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 15:59, 29 May 2026 (UTC) :::Sure, [[w:en:WP:Be bold|be bold]]! [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 20:50, 29 May 2026 (UTC) ::::Feeglgeef, I am struggling with the output. Can you have a look? [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 17:02, 30 May 2026 (UTC) :::::Can you link me to where? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 17:08, 30 May 2026 (UTC) ::::::{{Q|90}} in a language vls should give a magenta text. Instead it gives "Wikifunctions returned a failed response: Unspecified error". [[f:Z33422]] results "<span style="color: magenta;">Parys ∈ {stad}</span>" (as a string). [[f:Z26039]] also gives "<span style="color: magenta;">Parys ∈ {stad}</span>", but it's test [[f:Z33726]] gives an HTML equivalent, not a string. [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 17:59, 30 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::You shouldn't be returning HTML in string-typed functions. I'm not sure, then, how we implement your proposal, actually. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 18:54, 30 May 2026 (UTC) ::::::::I tried with [[f:Z35921]] but now the output is the literal text, and not HTML. Does anybody have an idea how to implement the text in a color? ::::::::Alternatively we could use texts like // Parys ∈ {stad} //. [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 16:51, 31 May 2026 (UTC) ::::::::: You need to output [[f:Z89|HTML fragment]], not String. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 17:16, 31 May 2026 (UTC) :I agree with the above that this should not be applied to functions which return strings or monolingual text. If anything, it might work to insert it into functions returning HTML. The most egregious problems I've seen are when I tried to render into an RTL language (e.g. Hebrew 0 try on [[Q408]]), and it spilled all the formatting all over the article. I will revert the change to the string default at [[:f:Z33421]], but suggest it is tested carefully if implemented elsewhere. In general I prefer just marking with spans rather than colours at this stage. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 04:49, 3 June 2026 (UTC) :: Perhaps mark with spans given a specific ID and then allow users to use a userscript/gadget to paint them magenta? That seems like the most considerate approach. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 05:12, 3 June 2026 (UTC) :::[[:f:Z32234]] suggests something like <code>span lang="mul"</code> or similar. [[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 05:20, 3 June 2026 (UTC) ::::I will (carefully) try some other alternatives, and use a personal class in my userscript for <nowiki><span class="NLG Default text"></nowiki>. [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 14:05, 4 June 2026 (UTC) == Ratification of the deletion policy proposal? == I haven't seen any unresolved objections to my proposal for a [[Abstract Wikipedia:Deletion policy|policy for deletion]]. Does anybody have any issues, and, if not, is it ok to ratify as an actual policy? I intend to remove the draft template and replace it with a policy template unless anyone voices any objection within a week. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 20:55, 29 May 2026 (UTC) :Is it just me or does [[Abstract Wikipedia:Deletion policy#Reasons for deletion]] render blank with only number bullets without the actual text after ''1.'' or ''2.''? [[User:Bunnypranav|Bunnypranav]] ([[User talk:Bunnypranav|talk]]) 07:13, 30 May 2026 (UTC) ::I see text. ―[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''<span style="color:black">v</span>f</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 07:49, 30 May 2026 (UTC) :::I can see on my phone, but it goes blank on my laptop. What is the role of ''<nowiki><span class="anchor" id="1"></nowiki>''? [[User:Bunnypranav|Bunnypranav]] ([[User talk:Bunnypranav|talk]]) 12:15, 30 May 2026 (UTC) ::::{{ping|Bunnypranav}} I can see the text everywhere (I tested connected and not connected, on my phone, laptop, with Chrome or Firefox ; what system do you use?). As the name suggest, the span anchor is here to create an HTML anchor, so you can do link like [[Abstract_Wikipedia:Deletion_policy#7]]. Cheers, [[User:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[User talk:VIGNERON|talk]]) 13:49, 30 May 2026 (UTC) :::::I'm on Brave browser. Nevertheless, forget it. The culprit might be some random customization I did to my system which I cannot recollect. The reason is the span tag only though, tried a preview kicking out a text to just outside the tag and it worked. [[User:Bunnypranav|Bunnypranav]] ([[User talk:Bunnypranav|talk]]) 14:23, 30 May 2026 (UTC) :Globally, it looks fine. I think that reasons 7 and 8 may need some examples/clarifications. There is no global consensus when it comes to creating categories. For example, categories for building interiors and exteriors. Personally, I feel that they are useful for easier discoverability. [[User:Jsamwrites|John Samuel]] ([[User:Jsamwrites|talk]]) 15:39, 30 May 2026 (UTC) ::I've copied them over from enwiki. They're probably included in "content otherwise not suited for an encyclopedia." Since sysops can't speedy them, it'd be up to commenters on [[Abstract:RFD]] to determine. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 16:48, 30 May 2026 (UTC) == Wikifunctions & Abstract Wikipedia Newsletter #250 is out: Looking back and forward == There is [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-05-30|a new update]] for Abstract Wikipedia and Wikifunctions. Please, come and read it! In this issue, we present you a recollection of our work so far, now that we celebrate our 250th newsletter, we share with you a summary of our latest outreach activities, and we take a look at the latest software developments. Want to catch up with the previous updates? Check [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates|our archive]]! Enjoy the reading! -- [[User:Sannita (WMF)|User:Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 10:04, 1 June 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Sannita (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Wikifunctions_%26_Abstract_Wikipedia&oldid=30606821 --> jvoom7vfvw5vnyi4w0btufuaqcsqfne 9582 9578 2026-06-04T16:14:24Z Feeglgeef 36 /* Marking NLG Default text */ reply to HenkvD ([[mw:c:Special:MyLanguage/User:JWBTH/CD|CD]]) 9582 wikitext text/x-wiki {{#ifexist:Abstract Wikipedia:Project chat/Header/{{USERLANGUAGE}}|{{/Header/{{USERLANGUAGE}}}}|{{/Header}}}} {{/Archives}} <!-- Add your discussion below this line --> == Why don't we just structure this with wikitemplates? == I feel like the project could be done a lot better by using templates kind of like how wikipedia does them. Just the entire thing is templates that can be rendered in many languages. So like [[Q106289265]] would have the content <nowiki>{{Z26039|Q7257}}</nowiki> and could even have some aliasing done across languages so it could be <nowiki>{{subject is|Q7257}}</nowiki>. Code would be editable with a regular visual editor or code editor. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 04:34, 29 March 2026 (UTC) :This is available in pages when Parsoid rendering is enabled. We don't use this becuase it doesn't make sense for constructing and editing massive articles. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 21:37, 29 March 2026 (UTC) ::How do you do parsoid rendering? And why wouldn't it make sense? With aliases and everything could work great. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 23:12, 29 March 2026 (UTC) :::I believe it is enabled by default. If you do have it on: {{#function:Z10000|you'll s|ee this}} [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 14:54, 30 March 2026 (UTC) :you may be interested in reading this old [[m:Abstract_Wikipedia/Google.org_Fellows_evaluation|Google report]]. [[User:BrokenSegue|BrokenSegue]] ([[User talk:BrokenSegue|talk]]) 14:32, 9 May 2026 (UTC) == Why the editing API doesn't work == {{tracked|T423542}} Immanuelle wrongly stated that there is no REST API for editing. [[#REST API for editing?|There is]]. However, it does not work when called from software outside Abstract Wikipedia. That is because there is no way to grant a bot password or OAuth customer the permission to edit abstract articles (<code>wikilambda-abstract-edit</code>) and create them (<code>wikilambda-abstract-create</code>), since no grant on [[Special:ListGrants]] includes either. Should this be fixed? [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 01:57, 26 April 2026 (UTC) :Yes I think the rights should be added. I think the number of automated edits should be low at the moment as Abstract Wikipedia is still in an early phase and so far there is not much support for small languages and so many functions will maybe change to cover more languages. As automatic editing using a Bot Account requires an formal request it is no problem if the option exists. [[User:Hogü-456|Hogü-456]] ([[User talk:Hogü-456|talk]]) 18:17, 26 April 2026 (UTC) :Sounds good to me. Could we add a bot section to [[Abstract Wikipedia:Requests for permissions]]? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 23:35, 5 May 2026 (UTC) ::[[Abstract_Wikipedia:Requests_for_permissions#Bot]] ―[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''<span style="color:black">v</span>f</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 23:56, 5 May 2026 (UTC) :not currently possible :((((( [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 14:46, 30 April 2026 (UTC) :Feeglgeef is correct, past tense sentence generation is something we are sorely lacking at the moment. If you look at [[f:WF:Type proposals#Representing abstract content|Wikifunctions' type proposals]] you can see some initiatives that could hopefully mitigate this. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 13:49, 1 May 2026 (UTC) == Project scope == Might be a stupid question but what articles are/will be allowed on Abstract Wikipedia? How far is it meant to expand? The language Wikipedias have some differing policies, so might not be as simple as copying those. Personally I find the idea of creating an article for any and every Wikidata item really cool and a good ''baseline'' for what can have an article, but wouldn't ~120 million abstract articles become unwieldy? If the only requirement is that the article topic has a Wikidata item, then there are many interesting possibilities; one could write about individual dates, Wikidata test items, even Wikimedia disambiguation pages. Have not found where this is explained, if anywhere. This may be up to common sense, but trouble is, couldn't one create an encyclopedically meaningful article on just about anything? Pretty important policy not to have if it's undecided, though is not a problem at the moment. Just wondering. [[User:Some helpful person|Some helpful person]] ([[User talk:Some helpful person|talk]]) 23:36, 1 May 2026 (UTC) :This isn't a stupid question and I don't think this is entirely settled. Have you seen [[Abstract Wikipedia:About]]? [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 23:57, 1 May 2026 (UTC) ::Ah, I forgot about that page. So it is meant to abstract information from existing Wikipedia articles? Makes sense, though it still raises the question of creating new articles. [[User:Some helpful person|Some helpful person]] ([[User talk:Some helpful person|talk]]) 00:41, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :::At this juncture, I don't think anyone has in mind drafting anything new here as such: this is just responding to existing Wikidata items and the possibility of new Wikipedia articles drafted from them, using Wikifunctions. [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 00:51, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :I don't think we ever get any article an existing wiki does not have. Even if abstract content creation gets as fast as reasonably possible, it will never beat out typing text, so we will never catch up with, say, enwiki or eswiki. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 01:10, 2 May 2026 (UTC) ::It's also a question of policy. There are topics about which things could be said, but which wouldn't meet the baseline notability or other criteria of the big monolingual wikis. [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 20:22, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :::This is true, if we keep [[d:]]'s notability policy (which seems like the most natural one) then there are many subjects that we theoretically can talk about that don't meet the [[w:WP:GNG|GNG]] and similar guidelines. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 22:25, 2 May 2026 (UTC) == How many articles in how many languages are actually fully available without errors == This is a response to the call in [[:f:Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-05-02]]. The most important thing to count is already listed there: '''How many articles in how many languages are actually fully available without errors?''' It should be not just a count, but a list: I want to see which articles are readable in which languages; which articles are readable in some languages, but not others (which ones?); which articles are not readable in any language; etc. An even more relevant, but much harder to measure thing is how many of those articles are actually more useful than not having an article at all. There is no article about Boston in many languages, but [[Q100]], which currently says "Boston is the capital of Massachusetts.Boston is the largest city of Massachusetts." is not significantly more useful than nothing at all even if it's fully rendered in another language in which there is no concrete article about it. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 12:12, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :Perhaps this should have been on the talk page of that status update instead of the project chat? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 18:25, 2 May 2026 (UTC) ::The status update is about two projects and so I can understand if there are comments here. What do you think about creating a status update overview page with links to the status updates in Abstract Wikipedia to offer the possibility to discuss the status updates and especially things related to Abstract Wikipedia there. [[User:Hogü-456|Hogü-456]] ([[User talk:Hogü-456|talk]]) 18:57, 4 May 2026 (UTC) :::I don't think that's necessary. You can just include your abstractwiki (as in, the live wiki, not the project) related comments on the page on [[f:]], or, if for some reason that's not possible, as a reply to the newsletter announcement here. The point is, the project chat is crowded enough with topics as it is, ideally it should be more focussed on general matters of discussion than close-ended enquiries about topics that have their own talk page. I find Amire80's use of a new == heading here to be improper. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 19:32, 4 May 2026 (UTC) == Spaces between sentences, another attempt == [[Abstract Wikipedia:Project chat#Extra spaces between sentences|A month ago]], @[[User:内存溢出的猫|内存溢出的猫]]<ref group="spaces3>According to Google Translate, it's pronounced "Nèicún yìchū de māo". Please correct me if it's wrong. When I write, I want to know how are things that I write pronounced aloud, and very unfortunately, I never learned to read Chinese characters, and even if I did, most English speakers probably didn't. Come to think of it, is there a function that ''reliably'' transliterates Chinese characters?</ref> That discussion doesn't seem to have yielded any fixes or meaningful discussions, at least not that I can see. [[Abstract Wikipedia:Project chat#Spaces between sentences|Two weeks ago]], I tried to bring up a similar topic, but that discussion somehow got derailed and also didn't yield anything useful. Now, the problem looks differently, but it's still a problem. When I look at [[Q10251]], for example, what I see is four sentences that ''appear'' with ''no'' spaces between them. Not one, not two—none at all. It looks like this: :Plasma is a fundamental state of matter.Plasma is a classical state of matter.A plasma is a gas.A plasma is a matter. Note that I emphasized ''appear'': When I see them rendered on the screen, they have no spaces between them. In the HTML, however, they are represented as four <code><nowiki><div></nowiki></code>s, and their inline positioning is handled by CSS. This means, for example, that if I copy and paste them, I don't get a long string with no spaces after full stops, but four sentences with a single line break after each full stop: <poem> Plasma is a fundamental state of matter. Plasma is a classical state of matter. A plasma is a gas. A plasma is a matter. </poem> This is not how it is supposed to be done. <code><nowiki><div></nowiki></code>s are supposed to be used for block elements and not hacked into appearing as if they are inline (also known as phrasing). Spaces between sentences are supposed to be real characters rather than HTML and CSS tricks, they may be different in different languages, and in some languages they may be nothing at all. I hope that the definition of the problem is clear. <references group="spaces3"></references> [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 12:49, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :Hi, have a look at it [[Special:PermanentLink/7132|now]]. Does this match your expectations? I think it's not rendering right now for whatever reason, but there are other examples of it being done this way that you can see: [[Q241691]]. The article renders properly in both English (spaces between sentences) and Japanese (no spaces at all). : :'''English:''' :<blockquote>Programmed Data Processor is a computer model series by Digital Equipment Corporation. PDP-8 is a Programmed Data Processor.</blockquote> :'''Japanese:''' :<blockquote>PDPシリーズはディジタル・イクイップメント・コーポレーションによるコンピュータ・モデル・シリーズである。PDP-8はPDPシリーズである。</blockquote> : :I have some, err, strong opinions about [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]]'s 「Abstract Wikipedia Editor」 tool, which is the predominant cause for all of these very janky and poorly-laid-out articles that you see. This is not how an article ought to be written on Abstract Wikipedia, and I and other editors are aware of this. If you see these problems, please do fix them! The wiki will be all the better for it. : :In the absence of consensus on such things as these (and awaiting any official policy pages) I have written [[f:User:Theki/best practices]] on my Wikifunctions userpage. You are welcome to read it if you wish. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 17:20, 2 May 2026 (UTC) ::The output of [[Q241691]] looks OK to me in this regard. How was it done? ::[[Q10251]] gives me an error. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 18:10, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :::WikiLambda is doing WikiLambda things. This WASI time limit error happens intermittently on Abstract Wikipedia articles and it usually goes away after a short while. The only thing is that it doesn't really seem like purging these articles does anything to force the orchestrator to retry its evaluation so the article might not render that paragraph until someone comes in and pokes at it by editing it somehow. ::: :::The working article uses the [[f:Z33068|''paragraph from sentences'']] function to lay out its individual sentence content. This function automatically handles converting any and all text-like objects (strings, HTML fragments, and monolingual text) to a consistent form, so sentence fragments can all be supplied verbatim to its list input. When the function is putting the sentences together it defaults to using a single space to separate them, but first checks if the requested language is in the [[f:Z33984|''languages without spaces between sentences'']] list. If it is, it doesn't add spaces at all, and just concatenates the sentences normally. I hope this explanation makes sense. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 18:19, 2 May 2026 (UTC) ::::It makes some sense, but earlier, you suggested: "If you see these problems, please do fix them", and I'm not entirely sure how to do it. How would I fix it in [[Q100]], for example? [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 19:41, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :::::In this case you would do the following: :::::# At the bottom, click the plus and then 「Add empty fragment」. :::::# Set the function to [[f:Z33068]], as mentioned earlier. :::::# Now go through each sentence fragment, find the innermost sentence-generation function, click on the three dots, and copy it. Do not copy the calls to [[f:Z29749]] or similar, these are not necessary. :::::# Go to the ''paragraph with sentences'' function call and add an element to the list. :::::# Click on the three dots next to the new element, and paste in the earlier sentence fragment. :::::# You can now delete the original fragment and repeat the process in the same list for the one after it. :::::&mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 19:46, 2 May 2026 (UTC) ::@[[User:Theki|Theki]] I intend on fixing it, I recently made an attempt but the suggested fixes made problems worse. Do you have any practical suggestions of how to structure the templates? I will try to implement them when I have more time. ::Also your name is very confusing, are you in the process of getting it changed wiki-wide? [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 22:36, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :::Um, are you referring to my signature not matching my wiki username? I have considered for a long time changing it from ''theki'', but I don't feel like putting in the effort when it seems to be perfectly ignorable for most people. The user 「''Rae''」 can't be usurped because they made, like, two or three articles on the Persian Wikipedia two decades ago or something, I don't know. If that weren't the case I would be User:Rae right now but after that failed to go through I just decided to stop bothering. Maybe at some point I'll come up with a username I'm happy with keeping for the foreseeable future but I have other concerns at the moment. :::Could you explain how your attempted fixes 「made problems worse」? Presently I side with Feeglgeef's sentiments and prefer to wait for abstract content to actually be feasible to make on a reasonably descriptive scale (see: the type proposals) before I go around making articles willy-nilly, which is what AWE has been doing—making a bunch of pretty low-quality articles on a massive scale when it probably ''really'' would have been better to, err, hold off on that. :::And I honestly know very little about the actual workings of your editor, I don't really use it nor am I familiar with its template syntax or whatever it may use, so I'm going to look over how it actually works and then get back to you on that. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 23:28, 2 May 2026 (UTC) ::::Using this [[f:Z33068]] made things worse [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 00:44, 3 May 2026 (UTC) :::::That did not go through correctly but I do not think we have a proper thing for it. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 00:45, 3 May 2026 (UTC) ::::::What? Could you elaborate? &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 01:00, 3 May 2026 (UTC) ::::::{{ping|Immanuelle}} I checked. Your issue is that your editor is not providing the article language to Z33068K2; that is, the ''paragraph from sentences'' function has a second argument, and your editor was omitting it. If you properly specify it, it will work. Please, next time, actually tell me what went wrong instead of going quiet and forcing me to look after it myself. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 17:06, 4 May 2026 (UTC) :I avoid [[f:Z33068]] for now, because executing a whole paragraph in a single call would often time out. So my current alternative is inserting [[f:Z35672]] between sentences. Fairly clunky, but it works... --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 06:08, 28 May 2026 (UTC) ::Can you categorize the talk pages of articles you're doing that with? It has major accessibility concerns for our friends using screen readers, so it'd be nice to be able to find those with issues when were able to fix the calls [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 21:50, 28 May 2026 (UTC) :::I think the new tool can show us this (via dumps). For example, here are the uses of 'paragraph': https://abstract-data.toolforge.org/zid/Z32123 --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 23:07, 28 May 2026 (UTC) ::::There's more than one way to not use spaces correctly and more than one way to use spaces correctly, this wouldn't catch all of them. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 23:13, 28 May 2026 (UTC) :::::I'm not totally sure what you want to track, but I'm confident that this will find all my uses. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 02:10, 29 May 2026 (UTC) ::::I think it slipped past everyone's notice, but I made a template for linking to that sort of information @ [[Template:Zd|<nowiki>{{</nowiki>zd<nowiki>}}</nowiki>]]. {{zd|Z35672|sentence separator}} <span style="font-size:smaller;opacity:0.8">(I don't think the database dumps have noticed the function you're using yet, so it's a 404 at the moment.)</span> &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 01:09, 29 May 2026 (UTC) ===Easier solution?=== Maybe a much easier solution would be to replace the "." after each sentence with ". " (a full stop and a space). The paragraghs might add an extra space, but that is displayed as one by the browser. [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) == Most used fragments == [[:f:Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-05-02|The latest status update]] lists the most used fragments: "[[:f:Z32123]] with 1452, followed by [[:f:Z27868]] with 736 and [[:f:Z29749]] with 650)". How was this calculated? [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 13:44, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :Again, this should definitely have been on the talk page for that status update. This isn't the everything page, it should be used for discussion relating to the wiki. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 18:26, 2 May 2026 (UTC) ::It's not a question just about the status update, even if it was prompted by it. It's a question about Abstract Wikipedia that can be relevant beyond the status update. ::Stop policing how people use discussion pages without a particularly good reason. If you don't have an answer to the actual question, don't write anything. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 19:38, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :::I have to agree with Feeglgeef that this would be better raised on the status update's talk page itself. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 19:42, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :::I'm "policing" which discussion pages are being used for the same reason different discussion spaces exist in the first place. And your distinction between "just about" and "prompted by" is irrelevant. If I want to ask someone how they did something, I would ask them first, not go to a general discussion board. This is still the project ''chat'', not a Q&A zone. {{ping|DVrandecic (WMF)|p=,}} can you please answer the question? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 22:22, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :I have a local script that I have run on a local copy. Nothing more complicated than that. Could also be very wrong -- the script hasn't been peer-reviewed or anything. --[[User:DVrandecic (WMF)|DVrandecic (WMF)]] ([[User talk:DVrandecic (WMF)|talk]]) 08:54, 4 May 2026 (UTC) ::Thanks, @[[User:DVrandecic (WMF)|DVrandecic (WMF)]]. Can you share the code, please? I'll be happy to review it. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 15:30, 4 May 2026 (UTC) ==Wiktionary integration== I was trying out a few functions recently, such as [https://www.wikifunctions.org/view/en/Z27243 the new superlative function], and I noticed that ''every adjective'' has to be a Wikidata item. For example, I couldn't type in the inputs "Bugatti Veyron", "fast", "Earth" because "fast" as an adjective is not a Wikidata item. This doesn't really make sense, given that Wiktionary already has the word for "fast" and its superlative form in many different languages. Would it be possible to integrate Wiktionary into the function, so the user can type an adjective or verb from Wiktionary instead of having to deal with Wikidata (which consists almost entirely of nouns)? [[User:Somepinkdude|Somepinkdude]] ([[User talk:Somepinkdude|talk]]) 16:49, 6 May 2026 (UTC) :No, sadly. I would try "speed" as the adjective, though, you have to use abstract qualities instead of concrete English terms. [[File:Wikifunctions Superlative speed example.png|thumb|Here's an example of the word being used.]] [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 18:02, 6 May 2026 (UTC) :Wikidata has standard items as well as lexeme data, so if anything, we should try to integrate those. E.g. [[:d:Lexeme:L1029]]. ―[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''<span style="color:black">v</span>f</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 19:48, 6 May 2026 (UTC) ::I tried this, and it gave "Bugatti Veyron is the speedest car on Earth", which is laughably bad. The problem is that Wikidata does not "know" what the superlative form is, while Wiktionary does. Speed is a fairly common descriptor, but what about less common adjectives which aren't on Wikidata? Will there need to be a bot to copy all of this information from Wiktionary? [[User:Somepinkdude|Somepinkdude]] ([[User talk:Somepinkdude|talk]]) 22:14, 6 May 2026 (UTC) :::I'm not suggesting that the functionality works <em>now</em>, but that we need to integrate the funcationality. ―[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''<span style="color:black">v</span>f</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 22:17, 6 May 2026 (UTC) :::Well, no, the superlative form is chosen by [[f:Z12203]]. I think there's a bug with the English implementation that calls that function wrong. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 22:19, 6 May 2026 (UTC) :@[[User:Somepinkdude|Somepinkdude]] I did find the item {{Q|Q19807466}} which was linked to a concept database's entry for "fast"; I have at least linked it to the English lexeme "fast" and will try to add more links at a better hour. [[User:Mahir256|Mahir256]] ([[User talk:Mahir256|talk]]) 04:18, 7 May 2026 (UTC) == Showcase == I was wondering if there's a curated list of decent articles to learn by example here on Abstract Wikipedia? [[User:Fgnievinski|Fgnievinski]] ([[User talk:Fgnievinski|talk]]) 02:02, 8 May 2026 (UTC) :Unfortunately not, and, honestly, I wouldn't recommend article creation at the moment, it's likely to need significant refactoring as the way we represent abstract content changes, but, I can point you to [[Q668]] as a reasonably good example at the moment. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 02:39, 8 May 2026 (UTC) ::Thank you. "308 languages" blew my mind – well done! [[User:Fgnievinski|Fgnievinski]] ([[User talk:Fgnievinski|talk]]) 02:54, 8 May 2026 (UTC) :::308 is the number of ''concrete'' Wikipedias in which a manually-written article about India is available. :::The abstract article renders for me in English as "India is a country in Asia. India is a republic. New Delhi is the capital of India. India is the most populous country in world." Switching to another language to get rendered as an abstract article is done by typing the language's name in the box above the rendered text. I tried French, German, and Dutch, and got errors in all of them. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 03:12, 8 May 2026 (UTC) ::::So it goes. The paragraph has quite a lot of distinct sentence generation functions, all of which of course have to be implemented in the target language. This will be rounded out once we're able to more effectively generalize linguistic content. I view these functions as sort of patchy temporary solutions to the sentence generation problem while we figure out something more robust, which I hope is soon to come. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 04:15, 8 May 2026 (UTC) == Wikifunctions & Abstract Wikipedia Newsletter #247 is out: References from Wikidata now available == There is [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-05-08|a new update]] for Abstract Wikipedia and Wikifunctions. Please, come and read it! In this issue, we announce that is now possible to pass references in Wikidata statements, we introduce the [https://abstract-data.toolforge.org/ Abstract Data dashboard], we report you on the presentation about Abstract Wikipedia at WikiCon Australia, and we take a look at the latest software developments. Want to catch up with the previous updates? Check [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates|our archive]]! Also, we remind you that if you have questions or ideas to discuss, the next '''Volunteers' Corner''' will be held on '''[https://zonestamp.toolforge.org/1778520600 May 11, at 17:30 UTC]''' ([https://meet.google.com/xuy-njxh-rkw link to the meeting]). Enjoy the reading! -- [[User:Sannita (WMF)|User:Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 11:16, 8 May 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Sannita (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Wikifunctions_%26_Abstract_Wikipedia&oldid=30325620 --> == about the usage of Z33068 == The use of [[f:Z33068]] (en: paragraph from sentences) <s>always</s> most of the time results in the error "Reached time limit in orchestrator." So should it be used at all for now, temporarily? Or maybe there are already some tickets about this that I am not aware of? -- [[User:Asked42|Asked42]] ([[User talk:Asked42|talk]]) 18:23, 10 May 2026 (UTC) :It previously worked, so I'm hoping whatever the issue is will be fixed soon. The current state of the wiki makes [[m:Immediatism|immediatism]] an illogical philosophy to have at the moment, in my opinion. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 20:16, 10 May 2026 (UTC) ::This issue seems to no longer exist, you might need to clear the cache by making a dummy edit on affected articles. I implemented the function in Python (instead of composition), which has increased the speed by about 2000 ms. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 04:31, 11 May 2026 (UTC) :::Seems like working. Thank you. -- [[User:Asked42|Asked42]] ([[User talk:Asked42|talk]]) 19:06, 11 May 2026 (UTC) == Manual of Style == I've created a [[Abstract Wikipedia:Manual of Style|draft for a Manual of Style]]. Please feel free to comment on or make bold edits to the page. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 03:29, 11 May 2026 (UTC) :Thank you! That’s great and I’ll look at it more soon. I’m still taking a bit of a wikibreak. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 22:32, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :Is there anything I've written [[f:User:Theki/best_practices#Abstract_Wikipedia|here]] that you think would make for a good technical section of the page? &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 00:04, 15 May 2026 (UTC) ::I've added some of them. Thank you for your list of best practices by the way, I generally agree with them (I can't endorse connecting WD items currently in hope of a better technical solution, but otherwise I do). [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 00:58, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Proposals on the architecture of Abstract Content rendering == Starting from a discussion born on the Wikifunctions Telegram chat, I've explained two different proposals on how the NLG on Abstract Wikipedia should be organized in the page [[User:Dv103/Abstract articles architectures]]. Please come to contribute to the discussion, or to propose alternatives. [[User:Dv103|Dv103]] ([[User talk:Dv103|talk]]) 14:32, 11 May 2026 (UTC) == [[MediaWiki:Wikimedia-copyright-footer]] == The copyright message has a few issues, mainly that it does not address abstract content (which is not "text"), nor object labels (which are under CC0). Proposed text: "<nowiki> Text and abstract content are available under the [https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/ Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License]; the labels of objects from [[f:|Wikifunctions]] are available under the [https://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/ Creative Commons CC0 License]; additional terms may apply. See [https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Policy:Terms_of_Use Terms of Use] for details. </nowiki>" Which, when rendered, looks like: Text and abstract content are available under the [https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/ Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License]; the labels of objects from [[f:|Wikifunctions]] are available under the [https://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/ Creative Commons CC0 License]; additional terms may apply. See [https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Policy:Terms_of_Use Terms of Use] for details. The message is somewhat inspired by the current one and WF's. Thoughts? Thank you! [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 13:30, 12 May 2026 (UTC) :@[[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]]: As you probably imagine, this text is very tightly controlled by the Wikimedia Foundation's Legal department. I think the first port of call should be a discussion about why you might want to change things, rather than a rush to specific re-wordings, before approaching them for sign-off. [[User:Jdforrester (WMF)|Jdforrester (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Jdforrester (WMF)|talk]]) 14:28, 12 May 2026 (UTC) ::Well I briefly summarized my justification, my proposed text was just an idea for a starting point. Basically, the abstract content is not really "text", so the footer doesn't actually tell the reader what they're allowed to do with it, and I argue that the current wording implies that the labels are licensed under CC-BY-SA 4, when they aren't. I think a change is critical as otherwise we're not showing the reader a license, or, arguably, in the case of labels, showing users a license that ''does not apply'', which is a pretty bad thing. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 14:51, 12 May 2026 (UTC) == [[MediaWiki:AbstractWikiSuggestedWikifunctions.json]] == I'd think we should add [[f:Z33068]] here. The function allows you to form a paragraph out of sentences and handles languages having different standards of whether to add a space between them, and adding it here would make finding it easier. I'm not sure what policy we want to have for the suggested functions, this idea might help formulate it. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 16:06, 12 May 2026 (UTC) :[[User:Jdforrester (WMF)]] tells me the page has been changed to [[Special:CommunityConfiguration/AbstractWikiSuggestedWikifunctions]] on the telegram. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 16:25, 12 May 2026 (UTC) ::@[[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]]: Yup, see the weekly update on [[f:Wikifunctions:Status_updates/2026-05-02|2026-05-02]]. [[User:Jdforrester (WMF)|Jdforrester (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Jdforrester (WMF)|talk]]) 16:35, 12 May 2026 (UTC) :I also believe Z33068 should be added to the list. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 17:25, 12 May 2026 (UTC) {{done}} see [[Special:Diff/7692]]. Cheers, [[User:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[User talk:VIGNERON|talk]]) 09:08, 20 May 2026 (UTC) == Abstract Wikipedia statistics site source code == https://abstract-data.toolforge.org/ is a very useful tool, but it doesn't seem to have anything pointing to the location of its source code. Is it closed-source or unfree? While I'm at it I feel I should suggest having language pages' paths formatted differently from how they are currently—at the moment it's <code>/languages/Toki%20Pona</code> when something like <code>/languages/tok</code> would be more suitable. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; : See [[:gitlab:toolforge-repos/abstract-data]]. Also pinging {{ping|DSantamaria-WMF|p=}} (thanks for the tool, by the way). [[User:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|<span class="skin-invert" style="color:black;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:110%;font-weight:normal;line-height:normal">NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh</span>]] 00:25, 13 May 2026 (UTC) ::Thank you. I think a link to that repository should be put in a footer somewhere on the website as I wouldn't have found that if not for you. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 02:30, 13 May 2026 (UTC) :::{{ping|Theki}} For the record, I found that repo by searching for "abstract-data" on [[:toolhub:|Toolhub]]. [[User:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|<span class="skin-invert" style="color:black;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:110%;font-weight:normal;line-height:normal">NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh</span>]] 03:34, 13 May 2026 (UTC) :::Thanks for the feedback and the report, fixed both things, we have now the link to the repo in the side bar footer, and also the language codes are used in the URLs. Thanks! [[User:DSantamaria-WMF|DSantamaria-WMF]] ([[User talk:DSantamaria-WMF|talk]]) 11:46, 13 May 2026 (UTC) ::::Are you particularly attached to keeping country flag emojis next to the language names? Some consider it an [https://flagsarenotlanguages.com/blog anti-pattern]. [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 16:17, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::I think the use of flags is not really harmful since this is not a ''language selector'', it is just a list of languages. Of course not every language has an associated flag, for example Latin, which does look a bit awkward, but it can't be helped. Maybe give languages without a flag a unique icon from Wikimedia Commons? e.g. <div style="display:inline-flex;align-items:center;border:1px solid #0002;border-radius:4px;gap:4px;padding:4px;">[[File:Toki pona.svg|16px]] Toki Pona</div> instead of <div style="display:inline-flex;align-items:center;border:1px solid #0002;border-radius:4px;gap:4px;padding:4px;"><span>🌐</span>Toki Pona</div>. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 16:37, 14 May 2026 (UTC) ::::::I thought I saw 🏛️ being used for Latin earlier. But of course, as far as the Unicode Consortium is concerned, [[Q65300415|🇬🇧]] doesn't mean '[[Q1680|English]]', no more than [[Q100587670|🏳️‍🌈]] means '[[Q1359130|Polari]]'; technically, it doesn't even mean '[[Q145|United Kingdom]]', just the letters 🇺 and 🇰 next to each other (which linguistically would indicate [[Q8798|Ukrainian]] in ISO 639, but these are 'regional indicator symbols'). [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 17:21, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::As seems (from this comment and also [[f:User_talk:DSantamaria-WMF#c-%E9%AD%94%E7%90%B4-20260513063700-Country_flags_in_abstract-data|others' comments]]) that flags are a little bit controversial, I just removed them, IMHO it was just an aesthetic concept, I like the look and feel that flags bring to the language labels, but happy to remove them if make some people feel uncomfortable with the concept. [[User:DSantamaria-WMF|DSantamaria-WMF]] ([[User talk:DSantamaria-WMF|talk]]) 05:54, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Make it more user Friendly == Make it more user-friendly by adding drag-and-drop compenots and one click additions, and make it similar to a visual macro buidler. [[User:ChippyTechGH|ChippyTechGH]] ([[User talk:ChippyTechGH|talk]]) 01:00, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :Could you file something like this on [[phab:|phabricator]]? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 01:01, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Person infoboxes == Hi all, I've just created [[f:Z35167|infobox for person (Z35167)]]. All it can really do presently is display the name of the person in the chosen language and in the person's native language, but it's a good start. I started writing it as a composition but chose to switch to writing it in JavaScript instead, which ended up being less headache-inducing (managing a large list of strings to concatenate together is not fun, plus compositions bring lots of additional overhead). Unfortunately, this means that the actual ''useful'' parts of the infobox—the information about the person themself—is not really doable. I'd need to dereference the Wikidata property references to get their label in the requested language, but since they're references and I'm working with code, not compositions, I can't just call [[f:Z6822|fetch Wikidata property (Z6822)]] and be done with it. If there's a WikiLambda API to do this inside of the JS itself that would be great and would solve everything, but at the moment that alone is what's holding it back, or so it seems. I can get the actual ''values'' of statements just fine, though. If I am missing some amazing WikiLambda API function that will solve this problem for me by letting me dereference the PID, then please let me know because that would be great. If you want to look at an example of the infobox right meow, you can view [https://abstract.wikipedia.org/view/tok/Q317521 Q317521 in Toki Pona] and see how it states Musk's name in both Toki Pona ''and'' his native English name. COOL! My hope is that this can be made less barebones in the near future. Infoboxes are a great way to get quick information on a subject and can fill in the informational gaps in the presently sparse articles we have at the moment, all while staying in the user's requested language. Feedback is appreciated! &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 02:58, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :Thank you for this! I wonder if perhaps it would be better to create one "infobox" function and then have compositions call that, making wd retrival possible? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 03:38, 15 May 2026 (UTC) ::Working on that at the moment, I think I've got it working but I'm hitting a ratelimit in the orchestrator so I don't know for sure. The main issue with it now is that the actual [[f:Z35175|infobox template (Z35175)]] wrapper was programmed in JS so as to not be a pain in the ass, so this means that it can only take in strings, HTML fragments, etc. so the retrieval of Wikidata stuff still needs to be done by the caller and is rather verbose (see [[f:Z35168|the main implementation]]). The niceties will come soon later once I know that it all works at a lower level, though. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 05:04, 15 May 2026 (UTC) ::So the problem now seems to be that when [[f:Z29825|label of Wikidata property in language (Z29825)]] isn't being faulty, it's being incredibly slow. Considering retrieving Wikidata items from their references seems to take, like, four to five seconds, and we'll have tens of statements in these infoboxes, I don't see how the property names could be retrieved in a way that doesn't cause the orchestrator to time out or hit a ratelimit. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 06:01, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :::I think I figured something out? I'm just going to try calling [[f:Z35036|fetch Wikidata property or parts (Z35036)]], it seems to be much faster for whatever reason. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 06:05, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :::It works now, a little rough around the edges, also very slow, but I think I'm mostly happy with it. Of course it would be great if all you needed to provide to the template function to get a label-statement row was the property reference itself, but I'm too sleep-deprived to figure that out at the moment. I made five bespoke functions specifically for this infobox, more than I would like, but it's probably not ''that'' bad. I'm just hoping I didn't duplicate any functionality in trying to make the composition less verbose and repetitive. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 07:15, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Wikifunctions & Abstract Wikipedia Newsletter #248 is out: A higher meaning == There is [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-05-15|a new update]] for Abstract Wikipedia and Wikifunctions. Please, come and read it! In this issue, we discuss functions creating language fragments, we present our latest news in Types, and we take a look at the latest software developments. Want to catch up with the previous updates? Check [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates|our archive]]! Enjoy the reading! -- [[User:Sannita (WMF)|User:Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 14:36, 15 May 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Sannita (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Wikifunctions_%26_Abstract_Wikipedia&oldid=30536976 --> == Translations == Yes, this question is probably easily answerable through a Web search, but I thought I'd ask here anyways. I am unfortunately not bilingual... I know Toki Pona, but it's a constructed language. I'd love to be a polyglot of some sorts but that is a future thing. I've been trying to translate pages into tok, for funsies mostly. At any rate, I want to convert some of the un-translated pages, namely Feeglgeef's policy drafts, into ones that can be translated (and then translate them into Toki Pona of course). I think I have to be a translation administrator for this? Which is a process that I'd have to ''apply'' for, and I doubt I have the credentials to be accepted for such a role. Regardless, is there a way I can go about this without having to do it through someone else? I can probably easily find documentation on marking pages for translation but I don't know how much I'm actually capable of doing as just a regular user. Should I apply? &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 14:15, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :Most of the process of preparing a page for translation can be done by any editor. See [[:mw:Help:Extension:Translate/Page translation example]]. :The step of marking a page or translation for the first time or after changes must be done by a translation administrator. :I recommend learning the <nowiki><translate> and <tvar></nowiki> syntax and using it on a few pages before applying for this permission. After you do it on a few pages, and you feel confident, and you want to do it more, you can ask for the permission. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 14:28, 20 May 2026 (UTC) ::Just to confirm, did I mark up [[Special:Diff/8138|this page]] for translation properly? I thought to give the hatnote its own <code>&lt;translate&gt;</code> enclosure so as to exclude the indent and italicization from needing to be included in the translatable text. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 15:10, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :::Mostly properly, but don't exclude <code><nowiki>''</nowiki></code> for italics from translation. It's generally a good idea to exclude complex markup from translation because it's hard for many people to type, and it usually stays the same in translation anyway. <code><nowiki>''</nowiki></code> for italics is different, however: it's very simple to type and familiar to most editors; italic letters are used differently in different languages, and in some languages they aren't used at all, so translators need the freedom to use them appropriately; this markup can also appear in the middle of a translation unit and not only in the ends. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 15:35, 20 May 2026 (UTC) ::::Thank you for the guidance. Should the italics be included if they are used over the entire hatnote? I figure that placement of italics should be left up to the discretion of the translators, but the hatnote itself is meant to be entirely italicized, I would think irrespective of the language it's in. Is this the right idea or should they still be kept within the translation unit? &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 15:45, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :::::Yes, italics should be included in the translation unit if they are used over the entire hatnote. Some languages don't use italic writing at all, so it shouldn't be forced. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 18:36, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :I'd support a translation administrator request ;), for reasons below. I'm not sure why we need a seperate translation administrator right, or why we have to call it an "administrator" (deciding that a page could be translated is a much less important role than, say, page deletion, or blocking). We picked three of them (well, one of them went through the WMF, so we picked two), [https://abstract.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Log?type=pagetranslation&user=&page=&excludetempacct=1&wpdate=&tagfilter=&wpfilters%5B%5D=newusers&wpFormIdentifier=logeventslist they don't appear very active, though], only marking 9 times this month, zero (0) of which were for pages marked for the first time. Both community translation admins used their global history and rights to get the role and only stop by occasionally, so having one who ''actually'' edits here would be nice. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 15:06, 20 May 2026 (UTC) ::This reply echos my philosophy of a sort of wiki-[[Q166005|xenophobia]] (the term xenophobia is probably too harsh, and I wouldn't consider myself one in real life, but it's the best word I can think of), I generally distrust users with a lot of global rights (both global sysop etc. and large amounts of local rights) who come make [[m:Metapedianism|metapedian]] contributions, not as people but to their ability to handle Wikifunctions and Abstract Wikipedia as incredibly unique and technically complex projects. I apologize if it my opinions come off as rude or ungrateful, I do appreciate the work of our translation administrators. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 15:26, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :::You don't bother me, it's fine. I think they definitely have a place, they can be useful and they usually are. Obviously local admins and what have you that earned their roles through the trust and reputation of the specific community they are in are going to occupy a more trusting position in my mind than a global sysop or global ''anything''. Specialized role members are good and healthy in the long term; I think we are giving these privileges to global users sparingly as the project is still in its infancy and as core contributors emerge and take up key positions we will have a more well-rounded and self-sustaining community with less global privileges needed to take up certain tasks. Wikifunctions probably needed some Foundation members or other staff to act as functioneers initially while the general community was still orienting themselves with WikiLambda and working on applying for the role, but now we have [[f:Special:ListUsers/functioneer|74(!) of them]] and the number of normal members using their specialized skills outnumbers those who were "grandfathered" in (for lack of a better term) or similar. The wiki is young—it just needs time. I myself have been considering applying for sysop privileges since they are obviously needed (there being exactly Zero of them at the moment); I've been weighing the pros and cons of such a commitment, it's obviously a lot to take up. I wish your sysop request went through, I think you would have made a great admin here. I'm unsure of what others think of my capabilities, I'm rather in-and-out around these social spaces so I don't know if there's much to go off of. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 15:55, 20 May 2026 (UTC) ::::Totally agree, and I'd support a sysopship request as well, though I'm apparently not good at assessing what the community considers supportable in admin candidate ;). ::::Off-topic, but interestingly, the sysop toolset allows you to grant yourself translation adminship. I'm not sure if sysops are expected not to grant themselves the permissions (kind of like how on enwiki 'crats are expected not grant themselves any rights without discussion despite having the technical rights), but I did it to myself on WF because [https://www.wikifunctions.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&logid=84940 another sysop had]. Additionally, the functioneer right [[Special:ListGroupRights#functioneer|exists on this wiki]], with the same rights on WF, despite all of them not doing anything on this wiki. I believe this is because, on the technical side, both AW and WF are powered by the same MediaWiki extension (Wikilambda), with one wiki set to a mode for abstract articles and another set to a mode for ZObjects. [https://dag.wikipedia.org/wiki/Di%C5%8B%27gahim:ListGroupRights#functioneer Checking the Dagbani Wikipedia] supports this theory. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 18:00, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :::::It always depends on the local policy. For Wikifunctions it is: ''Administrators do not need to undergo another discussion to become translation administrators; they can self-grant the rights to their account if necessary. Temporary administrators are not allowed to self-grant permanent translation administrator rights.'' :::::The availability of the functioneer right is a bug, see [[phab:T407066]]. --[[User:Ameisenigel|Ameisenigel]] ([[User talk:Ameisenigel|talk]]) 19:36, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :::If you don't consider yourself a xenophobe in real life, I would recommend not calling yourself that here, or anywhere really. Especially since it was the ideological capture during the 2010s of the Croatian-language Wikipedia [[w:hr:]] by actual xenophobes that was part of the impetus for Abstract Wikipedia according to [https://simia.net/wiki/Draft:_Collaborating_on_the_sum_of_all_knowledge_across_languages#A_look_on_some_south_Slavic_language_Wikipedias Denny's blog]. [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 22:10, 26 May 2026 (UTC) == Policy drafts == Hi all! I've written some draft policies and guidelines over the last few days. We're not a bureaucracy, so the point is not to set some rules but to kick off some discussions as to how our wiki will work. So far, I've created: * [[Abstract Wikipedia:Notability|a notability guideline]] * [[Abstract Wikipedia:Deletion policy|a deletion policy]] I've written them as my opinion on what should happen, but I'm hoping to align them with community consensus as we discuss them more. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 13:44, 21 May 2026 (UTC) == Wikifunctions & Abstract Wikipedia Newsletter #249 is out: Annual plan 2026-2027 == There is [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-05-23|a new update]] for Abstract Wikipedia and Wikifunctions. Please, come and read it! In this issue, we present you the current draft of objectives for Wikifunctions and Abstract Wikipedia in the WMF Annual Plan 2026-2027, and we take a look at the latest software developments. Want to catch up with the previous updates? Check [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates|our archive]]! Enjoy the reading! -- [[User:Sannita (WMF)|User:Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 09:48, 25 May 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Sannita (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Wikifunctions_%26_Abstract_Wikipedia&oldid=30536976 --> == To abstract Wikipedia or be the Abstract Wikipedia == There is a discussion happening about what the [[Abstract Wikipedia:Notability|notability criteria]] for Abstract Wikipedia should be, and in trying to participate I've found my idea of Abstract Wikipedia is awfully abstract. Is Abstract Wikipedia supposed to abstract Wikipedia, as in abstracting information from existing articles on the language Wikipedias (barring new contributions), or is it supposed to become the Abstract Wikipedia, supporting collaboration across all languages like it's the language Wikipedia to end all language Wikipedias (allowing new contributions)? I thought the answer would be obvious, but the name Abstract Wikipedia is a bit ambiguous. Am I missing something? [[User:Some helpful person|Some helpful person]] ([[User talk:Some helpful person|talk]]) 02:16, 27 May 2026 (UTC) :I think ({{ping|DVrandecic (WMF)|p=?}}) the idea is (and I personally prefer) the latter. I believe that, given the fact that it's much easier to write a concrete article than an abstract article, and the fact that the community of potential future contributors on enwiki is skeptical ''at best'', we ultimately will never expand beyond the size of other wikis, but I see no problem with allowing volunteers to add information not on other wikis (it's probably not the most effective, but they're volunteers, beggars can't be choosers), as long as it's not vandalism, useless, or promotional slop. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 02:31, 27 May 2026 (UTC) :@[[User:Some helpful person|Some helpful person]] Abstract Wikipedia is a Wikipedia, where people can collaborate across languages on articles, which can then be used to fill gaps in the existing Wikipedias. Whereas I expect that current Wikipedia articles might be used as a convenient starting point for many of the articles in Abstract Wikipedia, this is more a consequence of Wikipedia being one of the best places to go to to find reliable knowledge, but that is not part of how it is supposed to work. So, this is not to abstract the existing Wikipedias, but to collaborate on an Abstract Wikipedia. At no point is this meant to replace existing Wikipedias. (Thanks to @[[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] for the ping!) --[[User:DVrandecic (WMF)|DVrandecic (WMF)]] ([[User talk:DVrandecic (WMF)|talk]]) 17:01, 27 May 2026 (UTC) ::Thank you, this makes a lot more sense now. [[User:Some helpful person|Some helpful person]] ([[User talk:Some helpful person|talk]]) 21:52, 27 May 2026 (UTC) == template suggestion == Some way to mock abstract syntax on talk and project pages, analogous to those in [[d:category:format Template]]. [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 15:21, 27 May 2026 (UTC) :Hmm. I agree. :Workshopping ideas for how it works: :* Invokation: <nowiki>{{Call|Z26039|{"Z1K1": "Z18", "Z18K1": "Z825K1"}|{"Z1K1": "Z6091", "Z6091K1": "Q634"}|{"Z1K1": "Z18", "Z18K1": "Z825K1"}|lang=en}}</nowiki> :** This could then be suplemented by helper templates: <nowiki>{{Call|Z26039|{{Wikidata item argument reference}}|{{Wikidata item reference|Q634}}|{{Language argument reference}}}}</nowiki> :* This would result in "[[f:Z26039|subject is instance of (string)]] (wikidata item reference, [[d:Q634|planet]], language)" :** Icons are missing in this example, I'm not sure if we can actually add them :Thoughts? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 16:04, 27 May 2026 (UTC) == Marking NLG Default text == Some NLG functions give default texts, like [[f:Z33420|Z33420]] will give text like "Paris ∈ {city}". sometimes in other languages the English text is show. Currently there is no visual clue that these texts are not normal text in the requested language. I propose we mark these text with color <span style="color:magenta;">Paris ∈ {city}</span> with something like <nowiki><span style="color:magenta;">Paris ∈ {city}</span></nowiki>. To have this configurable/maintainable this could be included in a function, called NLG default text or so, with a text as input an a text in color as output. The exact formatting like magenta color or gray background or something else can be discussed/decided later. To have it even more configurable on personal stylesheets it could use a class like <nowiki><span class="NLG Default text">Paris ∈ {city}</span></nowiki>. What do you think? Could somebody make such a function already? [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 12:00, 29 May 2026 (UTC) :The are technically just monolingual texts in a language called "multiple languages". I threw a prototype together really quickly, [[f:Z35839]]. It will accept strings, monolingual texts, and html fragments as input, so you have to select which type you want. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 14:59, 29 May 2026 (UTC) ::OK, thanks, I added it to [[f:Z26039]] and works as expected, see [https://www.wikifunctions.org/wiki/Z26039?call=%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z7%22%2C%22Z7K1%22%3A%22Z26039%22%2C%22Z26039K1%22%3A%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z6091%22%2C%22Z6091K1%22%3A%22Q64%22%7D%2C%22Z26039K2%22%3A%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z6091%22%2C%22Z6091K1%22%3A%22Q515%22%7D%2C%22Z26039K3%22%3A%22Z1555%22%7D here]. The test for the function with default text now fails because it now is in magenta color. That was to be expected. I will leave the tests unchanged if that is OK with you, as we might need to change the exact formatting. ::Is it OK to add this to other NLG functions that produce default output? [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 15:59, 29 May 2026 (UTC) :::Sure, [[w:en:WP:Be bold|be bold]]! [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 20:50, 29 May 2026 (UTC) ::::Feeglgeef, I am struggling with the output. Can you have a look? [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 17:02, 30 May 2026 (UTC) :::::Can you link me to where? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 17:08, 30 May 2026 (UTC) ::::::{{Q|90}} in a language vls should give a magenta text. Instead it gives "Wikifunctions returned a failed response: Unspecified error". [[f:Z33422]] results "<span style="color: magenta;">Parys ∈ {stad}</span>" (as a string). [[f:Z26039]] also gives "<span style="color: magenta;">Parys ∈ {stad}</span>", but it's test [[f:Z33726]] gives an HTML equivalent, not a string. [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 17:59, 30 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::You shouldn't be returning HTML in string-typed functions. I'm not sure, then, how we implement your proposal, actually. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 18:54, 30 May 2026 (UTC) ::::::::I tried with [[f:Z35921]] but now the output is the literal text, and not HTML. Does anybody have an idea how to implement the text in a color? ::::::::Alternatively we could use texts like // Parys ∈ {stad} //. [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 16:51, 31 May 2026 (UTC) ::::::::: You need to output [[f:Z89|HTML fragment]], not String. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 17:16, 31 May 2026 (UTC) :I agree with the above that this should not be applied to functions which return strings or monolingual text. If anything, it might work to insert it into functions returning HTML. The most egregious problems I've seen are when I tried to render into an RTL language (e.g. Hebrew 0 try on [[Q408]]), and it spilled all the formatting all over the article. I will revert the change to the string default at [[:f:Z33421]], but suggest it is tested carefully if implemented elsewhere. In general I prefer just marking with spans rather than colours at this stage. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 04:49, 3 June 2026 (UTC) :: Perhaps mark with spans given a specific ID and then allow users to use a userscript/gadget to paint them magenta? That seems like the most considerate approach. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 05:12, 3 June 2026 (UTC) :::[[:f:Z32234]] suggests something like <code>span lang="mul"</code> or similar. [[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 05:20, 3 June 2026 (UTC) ::::I will (carefully) try some other alternatives, and use a personal class in my userscript for <nowiki><span class="NLG Default text"></nowiki>. [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 14:05, 4 June 2026 (UTC) ::::: If possible, can you use <nowiki><span lang="mul"></nowiki>? This would allow it to also catch some instances automatically. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 16:14, 4 June 2026 (UTC) == Ratification of the deletion policy proposal? == I haven't seen any unresolved objections to my proposal for a [[Abstract Wikipedia:Deletion policy|policy for deletion]]. Does anybody have any issues, and, if not, is it ok to ratify as an actual policy? I intend to remove the draft template and replace it with a policy template unless anyone voices any objection within a week. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 20:55, 29 May 2026 (UTC) :Is it just me or does [[Abstract Wikipedia:Deletion policy#Reasons for deletion]] render blank with only number bullets without the actual text after ''1.'' or ''2.''? [[User:Bunnypranav|Bunnypranav]] ([[User talk:Bunnypranav|talk]]) 07:13, 30 May 2026 (UTC) ::I see text. ―[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''<span style="color:black">v</span>f</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 07:49, 30 May 2026 (UTC) :::I can see on my phone, but it goes blank on my laptop. What is the role of ''<nowiki><span class="anchor" id="1"></nowiki>''? [[User:Bunnypranav|Bunnypranav]] ([[User talk:Bunnypranav|talk]]) 12:15, 30 May 2026 (UTC) ::::{{ping|Bunnypranav}} I can see the text everywhere (I tested connected and not connected, on my phone, laptop, with Chrome or Firefox ; what system do you use?). As the name suggest, the span anchor is here to create an HTML anchor, so you can do link like [[Abstract_Wikipedia:Deletion_policy#7]]. Cheers, [[User:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[User talk:VIGNERON|talk]]) 13:49, 30 May 2026 (UTC) :::::I'm on Brave browser. Nevertheless, forget it. The culprit might be some random customization I did to my system which I cannot recollect. The reason is the span tag only though, tried a preview kicking out a text to just outside the tag and it worked. [[User:Bunnypranav|Bunnypranav]] ([[User talk:Bunnypranav|talk]]) 14:23, 30 May 2026 (UTC) :Globally, it looks fine. I think that reasons 7 and 8 may need some examples/clarifications. There is no global consensus when it comes to creating categories. For example, categories for building interiors and exteriors. Personally, I feel that they are useful for easier discoverability. [[User:Jsamwrites|John Samuel]] ([[User:Jsamwrites|talk]]) 15:39, 30 May 2026 (UTC) ::I've copied them over from enwiki. They're probably included in "content otherwise not suited for an encyclopedia." Since sysops can't speedy them, it'd be up to commenters on [[Abstract:RFD]] to determine. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 16:48, 30 May 2026 (UTC) == Wikifunctions & Abstract Wikipedia Newsletter #250 is out: Looking back and forward == There is [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-05-30|a new update]] for Abstract Wikipedia and Wikifunctions. Please, come and read it! In this issue, we present you a recollection of our work so far, now that we celebrate our 250th newsletter, we share with you a summary of our latest outreach activities, and we take a look at the latest software developments. Want to catch up with the previous updates? Check [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates|our archive]]! Enjoy the reading! -- [[User:Sannita (WMF)|User:Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 10:04, 1 June 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Sannita (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Wikifunctions_%26_Abstract_Wikipedia&oldid=30606821 --> rxxpza4i2s7lvdf5ja0c4ig06hla8je 9596 9582 2026-06-04T22:20:43Z HenkvD 1447 /* Marking NLG Default text */ Reply 9596 wikitext text/x-wiki {{#ifexist:Abstract Wikipedia:Project chat/Header/{{USERLANGUAGE}}|{{/Header/{{USERLANGUAGE}}}}|{{/Header}}}} {{/Archives}} <!-- Add your discussion below this line --> == Why don't we just structure this with wikitemplates? == I feel like the project could be done a lot better by using templates kind of like how wikipedia does them. Just the entire thing is templates that can be rendered in many languages. So like [[Q106289265]] would have the content <nowiki>{{Z26039|Q7257}}</nowiki> and could even have some aliasing done across languages so it could be <nowiki>{{subject is|Q7257}}</nowiki>. Code would be editable with a regular visual editor or code editor. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 04:34, 29 March 2026 (UTC) :This is available in pages when Parsoid rendering is enabled. We don't use this becuase it doesn't make sense for constructing and editing massive articles. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 21:37, 29 March 2026 (UTC) ::How do you do parsoid rendering? And why wouldn't it make sense? With aliases and everything could work great. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 23:12, 29 March 2026 (UTC) :::I believe it is enabled by default. If you do have it on: {{#function:Z10000|you'll s|ee this}} [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 14:54, 30 March 2026 (UTC) :you may be interested in reading this old [[m:Abstract_Wikipedia/Google.org_Fellows_evaluation|Google report]]. [[User:BrokenSegue|BrokenSegue]] ([[User talk:BrokenSegue|talk]]) 14:32, 9 May 2026 (UTC) == Why the editing API doesn't work == {{tracked|T423542}} Immanuelle wrongly stated that there is no REST API for editing. [[#REST API for editing?|There is]]. However, it does not work when called from software outside Abstract Wikipedia. That is because there is no way to grant a bot password or OAuth customer the permission to edit abstract articles (<code>wikilambda-abstract-edit</code>) and create them (<code>wikilambda-abstract-create</code>), since no grant on [[Special:ListGrants]] includes either. Should this be fixed? [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 01:57, 26 April 2026 (UTC) :Yes I think the rights should be added. I think the number of automated edits should be low at the moment as Abstract Wikipedia is still in an early phase and so far there is not much support for small languages and so many functions will maybe change to cover more languages. As automatic editing using a Bot Account requires an formal request it is no problem if the option exists. [[User:Hogü-456|Hogü-456]] ([[User talk:Hogü-456|talk]]) 18:17, 26 April 2026 (UTC) :Sounds good to me. Could we add a bot section to [[Abstract Wikipedia:Requests for permissions]]? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 23:35, 5 May 2026 (UTC) ::[[Abstract_Wikipedia:Requests_for_permissions#Bot]] ―[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''<span style="color:black">v</span>f</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 23:56, 5 May 2026 (UTC) :not currently possible :((((( [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 14:46, 30 April 2026 (UTC) :Feeglgeef is correct, past tense sentence generation is something we are sorely lacking at the moment. If you look at [[f:WF:Type proposals#Representing abstract content|Wikifunctions' type proposals]] you can see some initiatives that could hopefully mitigate this. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 13:49, 1 May 2026 (UTC) == Project scope == Might be a stupid question but what articles are/will be allowed on Abstract Wikipedia? How far is it meant to expand? The language Wikipedias have some differing policies, so might not be as simple as copying those. Personally I find the idea of creating an article for any and every Wikidata item really cool and a good ''baseline'' for what can have an article, but wouldn't ~120 million abstract articles become unwieldy? If the only requirement is that the article topic has a Wikidata item, then there are many interesting possibilities; one could write about individual dates, Wikidata test items, even Wikimedia disambiguation pages. Have not found where this is explained, if anywhere. This may be up to common sense, but trouble is, couldn't one create an encyclopedically meaningful article on just about anything? Pretty important policy not to have if it's undecided, though is not a problem at the moment. Just wondering. [[User:Some helpful person|Some helpful person]] ([[User talk:Some helpful person|talk]]) 23:36, 1 May 2026 (UTC) :This isn't a stupid question and I don't think this is entirely settled. Have you seen [[Abstract Wikipedia:About]]? [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 23:57, 1 May 2026 (UTC) ::Ah, I forgot about that page. So it is meant to abstract information from existing Wikipedia articles? Makes sense, though it still raises the question of creating new articles. [[User:Some helpful person|Some helpful person]] ([[User talk:Some helpful person|talk]]) 00:41, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :::At this juncture, I don't think anyone has in mind drafting anything new here as such: this is just responding to existing Wikidata items and the possibility of new Wikipedia articles drafted from them, using Wikifunctions. [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 00:51, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :I don't think we ever get any article an existing wiki does not have. Even if abstract content creation gets as fast as reasonably possible, it will never beat out typing text, so we will never catch up with, say, enwiki or eswiki. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 01:10, 2 May 2026 (UTC) ::It's also a question of policy. There are topics about which things could be said, but which wouldn't meet the baseline notability or other criteria of the big monolingual wikis. [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 20:22, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :::This is true, if we keep [[d:]]'s notability policy (which seems like the most natural one) then there are many subjects that we theoretically can talk about that don't meet the [[w:WP:GNG|GNG]] and similar guidelines. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 22:25, 2 May 2026 (UTC) == How many articles in how many languages are actually fully available without errors == This is a response to the call in [[:f:Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-05-02]]. The most important thing to count is already listed there: '''How many articles in how many languages are actually fully available without errors?''' It should be not just a count, but a list: I want to see which articles are readable in which languages; which articles are readable in some languages, but not others (which ones?); which articles are not readable in any language; etc. An even more relevant, but much harder to measure thing is how many of those articles are actually more useful than not having an article at all. There is no article about Boston in many languages, but [[Q100]], which currently says "Boston is the capital of Massachusetts.Boston is the largest city of Massachusetts." is not significantly more useful than nothing at all even if it's fully rendered in another language in which there is no concrete article about it. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 12:12, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :Perhaps this should have been on the talk page of that status update instead of the project chat? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 18:25, 2 May 2026 (UTC) ::The status update is about two projects and so I can understand if there are comments here. What do you think about creating a status update overview page with links to the status updates in Abstract Wikipedia to offer the possibility to discuss the status updates and especially things related to Abstract Wikipedia there. [[User:Hogü-456|Hogü-456]] ([[User talk:Hogü-456|talk]]) 18:57, 4 May 2026 (UTC) :::I don't think that's necessary. You can just include your abstractwiki (as in, the live wiki, not the project) related comments on the page on [[f:]], or, if for some reason that's not possible, as a reply to the newsletter announcement here. The point is, the project chat is crowded enough with topics as it is, ideally it should be more focussed on general matters of discussion than close-ended enquiries about topics that have their own talk page. I find Amire80's use of a new == heading here to be improper. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 19:32, 4 May 2026 (UTC) == Spaces between sentences, another attempt == [[Abstract Wikipedia:Project chat#Extra spaces between sentences|A month ago]], @[[User:内存溢出的猫|内存溢出的猫]]<ref group="spaces3>According to Google Translate, it's pronounced "Nèicún yìchū de māo". Please correct me if it's wrong. When I write, I want to know how are things that I write pronounced aloud, and very unfortunately, I never learned to read Chinese characters, and even if I did, most English speakers probably didn't. Come to think of it, is there a function that ''reliably'' transliterates Chinese characters?</ref> That discussion doesn't seem to have yielded any fixes or meaningful discussions, at least not that I can see. [[Abstract Wikipedia:Project chat#Spaces between sentences|Two weeks ago]], I tried to bring up a similar topic, but that discussion somehow got derailed and also didn't yield anything useful. Now, the problem looks differently, but it's still a problem. When I look at [[Q10251]], for example, what I see is four sentences that ''appear'' with ''no'' spaces between them. Not one, not two—none at all. It looks like this: :Plasma is a fundamental state of matter.Plasma is a classical state of matter.A plasma is a gas.A plasma is a matter. Note that I emphasized ''appear'': When I see them rendered on the screen, they have no spaces between them. In the HTML, however, they are represented as four <code><nowiki><div></nowiki></code>s, and their inline positioning is handled by CSS. This means, for example, that if I copy and paste them, I don't get a long string with no spaces after full stops, but four sentences with a single line break after each full stop: <poem> Plasma is a fundamental state of matter. Plasma is a classical state of matter. A plasma is a gas. A plasma is a matter. </poem> This is not how it is supposed to be done. <code><nowiki><div></nowiki></code>s are supposed to be used for block elements and not hacked into appearing as if they are inline (also known as phrasing). Spaces between sentences are supposed to be real characters rather than HTML and CSS tricks, they may be different in different languages, and in some languages they may be nothing at all. I hope that the definition of the problem is clear. <references group="spaces3"></references> [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 12:49, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :Hi, have a look at it [[Special:PermanentLink/7132|now]]. Does this match your expectations? I think it's not rendering right now for whatever reason, but there are other examples of it being done this way that you can see: [[Q241691]]. The article renders properly in both English (spaces between sentences) and Japanese (no spaces at all). : :'''English:''' :<blockquote>Programmed Data Processor is a computer model series by Digital Equipment Corporation. PDP-8 is a Programmed Data Processor.</blockquote> :'''Japanese:''' :<blockquote>PDPシリーズはディジタル・イクイップメント・コーポレーションによるコンピュータ・モデル・シリーズである。PDP-8はPDPシリーズである。</blockquote> : :I have some, err, strong opinions about [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]]'s 「Abstract Wikipedia Editor」 tool, which is the predominant cause for all of these very janky and poorly-laid-out articles that you see. This is not how an article ought to be written on Abstract Wikipedia, and I and other editors are aware of this. If you see these problems, please do fix them! The wiki will be all the better for it. : :In the absence of consensus on such things as these (and awaiting any official policy pages) I have written [[f:User:Theki/best practices]] on my Wikifunctions userpage. You are welcome to read it if you wish. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 17:20, 2 May 2026 (UTC) ::The output of [[Q241691]] looks OK to me in this regard. How was it done? ::[[Q10251]] gives me an error. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 18:10, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :::WikiLambda is doing WikiLambda things. This WASI time limit error happens intermittently on Abstract Wikipedia articles and it usually goes away after a short while. The only thing is that it doesn't really seem like purging these articles does anything to force the orchestrator to retry its evaluation so the article might not render that paragraph until someone comes in and pokes at it by editing it somehow. ::: :::The working article uses the [[f:Z33068|''paragraph from sentences'']] function to lay out its individual sentence content. This function automatically handles converting any and all text-like objects (strings, HTML fragments, and monolingual text) to a consistent form, so sentence fragments can all be supplied verbatim to its list input. When the function is putting the sentences together it defaults to using a single space to separate them, but first checks if the requested language is in the [[f:Z33984|''languages without spaces between sentences'']] list. If it is, it doesn't add spaces at all, and just concatenates the sentences normally. I hope this explanation makes sense. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 18:19, 2 May 2026 (UTC) ::::It makes some sense, but earlier, you suggested: "If you see these problems, please do fix them", and I'm not entirely sure how to do it. How would I fix it in [[Q100]], for example? [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 19:41, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :::::In this case you would do the following: :::::# At the bottom, click the plus and then 「Add empty fragment」. :::::# Set the function to [[f:Z33068]], as mentioned earlier. :::::# Now go through each sentence fragment, find the innermost sentence-generation function, click on the three dots, and copy it. Do not copy the calls to [[f:Z29749]] or similar, these are not necessary. :::::# Go to the ''paragraph with sentences'' function call and add an element to the list. :::::# Click on the three dots next to the new element, and paste in the earlier sentence fragment. :::::# You can now delete the original fragment and repeat the process in the same list for the one after it. :::::&mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 19:46, 2 May 2026 (UTC) ::@[[User:Theki|Theki]] I intend on fixing it, I recently made an attempt but the suggested fixes made problems worse. Do you have any practical suggestions of how to structure the templates? I will try to implement them when I have more time. ::Also your name is very confusing, are you in the process of getting it changed wiki-wide? [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 22:36, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :::Um, are you referring to my signature not matching my wiki username? I have considered for a long time changing it from ''theki'', but I don't feel like putting in the effort when it seems to be perfectly ignorable for most people. The user 「''Rae''」 can't be usurped because they made, like, two or three articles on the Persian Wikipedia two decades ago or something, I don't know. If that weren't the case I would be User:Rae right now but after that failed to go through I just decided to stop bothering. Maybe at some point I'll come up with a username I'm happy with keeping for the foreseeable future but I have other concerns at the moment. :::Could you explain how your attempted fixes 「made problems worse」? Presently I side with Feeglgeef's sentiments and prefer to wait for abstract content to actually be feasible to make on a reasonably descriptive scale (see: the type proposals) before I go around making articles willy-nilly, which is what AWE has been doing—making a bunch of pretty low-quality articles on a massive scale when it probably ''really'' would have been better to, err, hold off on that. :::And I honestly know very little about the actual workings of your editor, I don't really use it nor am I familiar with its template syntax or whatever it may use, so I'm going to look over how it actually works and then get back to you on that. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 23:28, 2 May 2026 (UTC) ::::Using this [[f:Z33068]] made things worse [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 00:44, 3 May 2026 (UTC) :::::That did not go through correctly but I do not think we have a proper thing for it. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 00:45, 3 May 2026 (UTC) ::::::What? Could you elaborate? &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 01:00, 3 May 2026 (UTC) ::::::{{ping|Immanuelle}} I checked. Your issue is that your editor is not providing the article language to Z33068K2; that is, the ''paragraph from sentences'' function has a second argument, and your editor was omitting it. If you properly specify it, it will work. Please, next time, actually tell me what went wrong instead of going quiet and forcing me to look after it myself. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 17:06, 4 May 2026 (UTC) :I avoid [[f:Z33068]] for now, because executing a whole paragraph in a single call would often time out. So my current alternative is inserting [[f:Z35672]] between sentences. Fairly clunky, but it works... --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 06:08, 28 May 2026 (UTC) ::Can you categorize the talk pages of articles you're doing that with? It has major accessibility concerns for our friends using screen readers, so it'd be nice to be able to find those with issues when were able to fix the calls [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 21:50, 28 May 2026 (UTC) :::I think the new tool can show us this (via dumps). For example, here are the uses of 'paragraph': https://abstract-data.toolforge.org/zid/Z32123 --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 23:07, 28 May 2026 (UTC) ::::There's more than one way to not use spaces correctly and more than one way to use spaces correctly, this wouldn't catch all of them. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 23:13, 28 May 2026 (UTC) :::::I'm not totally sure what you want to track, but I'm confident that this will find all my uses. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 02:10, 29 May 2026 (UTC) ::::I think it slipped past everyone's notice, but I made a template for linking to that sort of information @ [[Template:Zd|<nowiki>{{</nowiki>zd<nowiki>}}</nowiki>]]. {{zd|Z35672|sentence separator}} <span style="font-size:smaller;opacity:0.8">(I don't think the database dumps have noticed the function you're using yet, so it's a 404 at the moment.)</span> &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 01:09, 29 May 2026 (UTC) ===Easier solution?=== Maybe a much easier solution would be to replace the "." after each sentence with ". " (a full stop and a space). The paragraghs might add an extra space, but that is displayed as one by the browser. [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) == Most used fragments == [[:f:Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-05-02|The latest status update]] lists the most used fragments: "[[:f:Z32123]] with 1452, followed by [[:f:Z27868]] with 736 and [[:f:Z29749]] with 650)". How was this calculated? [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 13:44, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :Again, this should definitely have been on the talk page for that status update. This isn't the everything page, it should be used for discussion relating to the wiki. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 18:26, 2 May 2026 (UTC) ::It's not a question just about the status update, even if it was prompted by it. It's a question about Abstract Wikipedia that can be relevant beyond the status update. ::Stop policing how people use discussion pages without a particularly good reason. If you don't have an answer to the actual question, don't write anything. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 19:38, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :::I have to agree with Feeglgeef that this would be better raised on the status update's talk page itself. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 19:42, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :::I'm "policing" which discussion pages are being used for the same reason different discussion spaces exist in the first place. And your distinction between "just about" and "prompted by" is irrelevant. If I want to ask someone how they did something, I would ask them first, not go to a general discussion board. This is still the project ''chat'', not a Q&A zone. {{ping|DVrandecic (WMF)|p=,}} can you please answer the question? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 22:22, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :I have a local script that I have run on a local copy. Nothing more complicated than that. Could also be very wrong -- the script hasn't been peer-reviewed or anything. --[[User:DVrandecic (WMF)|DVrandecic (WMF)]] ([[User talk:DVrandecic (WMF)|talk]]) 08:54, 4 May 2026 (UTC) ::Thanks, @[[User:DVrandecic (WMF)|DVrandecic (WMF)]]. Can you share the code, please? I'll be happy to review it. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 15:30, 4 May 2026 (UTC) ==Wiktionary integration== I was trying out a few functions recently, such as [https://www.wikifunctions.org/view/en/Z27243 the new superlative function], and I noticed that ''every adjective'' has to be a Wikidata item. For example, I couldn't type in the inputs "Bugatti Veyron", "fast", "Earth" because "fast" as an adjective is not a Wikidata item. This doesn't really make sense, given that Wiktionary already has the word for "fast" and its superlative form in many different languages. Would it be possible to integrate Wiktionary into the function, so the user can type an adjective or verb from Wiktionary instead of having to deal with Wikidata (which consists almost entirely of nouns)? [[User:Somepinkdude|Somepinkdude]] ([[User talk:Somepinkdude|talk]]) 16:49, 6 May 2026 (UTC) :No, sadly. I would try "speed" as the adjective, though, you have to use abstract qualities instead of concrete English terms. [[File:Wikifunctions Superlative speed example.png|thumb|Here's an example of the word being used.]] [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 18:02, 6 May 2026 (UTC) :Wikidata has standard items as well as lexeme data, so if anything, we should try to integrate those. E.g. [[:d:Lexeme:L1029]]. ―[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''<span style="color:black">v</span>f</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 19:48, 6 May 2026 (UTC) ::I tried this, and it gave "Bugatti Veyron is the speedest car on Earth", which is laughably bad. The problem is that Wikidata does not "know" what the superlative form is, while Wiktionary does. Speed is a fairly common descriptor, but what about less common adjectives which aren't on Wikidata? Will there need to be a bot to copy all of this information from Wiktionary? [[User:Somepinkdude|Somepinkdude]] ([[User talk:Somepinkdude|talk]]) 22:14, 6 May 2026 (UTC) :::I'm not suggesting that the functionality works <em>now</em>, but that we need to integrate the funcationality. ―[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''<span style="color:black">v</span>f</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 22:17, 6 May 2026 (UTC) :::Well, no, the superlative form is chosen by [[f:Z12203]]. I think there's a bug with the English implementation that calls that function wrong. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 22:19, 6 May 2026 (UTC) :@[[User:Somepinkdude|Somepinkdude]] I did find the item {{Q|Q19807466}} which was linked to a concept database's entry for "fast"; I have at least linked it to the English lexeme "fast" and will try to add more links at a better hour. [[User:Mahir256|Mahir256]] ([[User talk:Mahir256|talk]]) 04:18, 7 May 2026 (UTC) == Showcase == I was wondering if there's a curated list of decent articles to learn by example here on Abstract Wikipedia? [[User:Fgnievinski|Fgnievinski]] ([[User talk:Fgnievinski|talk]]) 02:02, 8 May 2026 (UTC) :Unfortunately not, and, honestly, I wouldn't recommend article creation at the moment, it's likely to need significant refactoring as the way we represent abstract content changes, but, I can point you to [[Q668]] as a reasonably good example at the moment. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 02:39, 8 May 2026 (UTC) ::Thank you. "308 languages" blew my mind – well done! [[User:Fgnievinski|Fgnievinski]] ([[User talk:Fgnievinski|talk]]) 02:54, 8 May 2026 (UTC) :::308 is the number of ''concrete'' Wikipedias in which a manually-written article about India is available. :::The abstract article renders for me in English as "India is a country in Asia. India is a republic. New Delhi is the capital of India. India is the most populous country in world." Switching to another language to get rendered as an abstract article is done by typing the language's name in the box above the rendered text. I tried French, German, and Dutch, and got errors in all of them. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 03:12, 8 May 2026 (UTC) ::::So it goes. The paragraph has quite a lot of distinct sentence generation functions, all of which of course have to be implemented in the target language. This will be rounded out once we're able to more effectively generalize linguistic content. I view these functions as sort of patchy temporary solutions to the sentence generation problem while we figure out something more robust, which I hope is soon to come. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 04:15, 8 May 2026 (UTC) == Wikifunctions & Abstract Wikipedia Newsletter #247 is out: References from Wikidata now available == There is [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-05-08|a new update]] for Abstract Wikipedia and Wikifunctions. Please, come and read it! In this issue, we announce that is now possible to pass references in Wikidata statements, we introduce the [https://abstract-data.toolforge.org/ Abstract Data dashboard], we report you on the presentation about Abstract Wikipedia at WikiCon Australia, and we take a look at the latest software developments. Want to catch up with the previous updates? Check [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates|our archive]]! Also, we remind you that if you have questions or ideas to discuss, the next '''Volunteers' Corner''' will be held on '''[https://zonestamp.toolforge.org/1778520600 May 11, at 17:30 UTC]''' ([https://meet.google.com/xuy-njxh-rkw link to the meeting]). Enjoy the reading! -- [[User:Sannita (WMF)|User:Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 11:16, 8 May 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Sannita (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Wikifunctions_%26_Abstract_Wikipedia&oldid=30325620 --> == about the usage of Z33068 == The use of [[f:Z33068]] (en: paragraph from sentences) <s>always</s> most of the time results in the error "Reached time limit in orchestrator." So should it be used at all for now, temporarily? Or maybe there are already some tickets about this that I am not aware of? -- [[User:Asked42|Asked42]] ([[User talk:Asked42|talk]]) 18:23, 10 May 2026 (UTC) :It previously worked, so I'm hoping whatever the issue is will be fixed soon. The current state of the wiki makes [[m:Immediatism|immediatism]] an illogical philosophy to have at the moment, in my opinion. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 20:16, 10 May 2026 (UTC) ::This issue seems to no longer exist, you might need to clear the cache by making a dummy edit on affected articles. I implemented the function in Python (instead of composition), which has increased the speed by about 2000 ms. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 04:31, 11 May 2026 (UTC) :::Seems like working. Thank you. -- [[User:Asked42|Asked42]] ([[User talk:Asked42|talk]]) 19:06, 11 May 2026 (UTC) == Manual of Style == I've created a [[Abstract Wikipedia:Manual of Style|draft for a Manual of Style]]. Please feel free to comment on or make bold edits to the page. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 03:29, 11 May 2026 (UTC) :Thank you! That’s great and I’ll look at it more soon. I’m still taking a bit of a wikibreak. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 22:32, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :Is there anything I've written [[f:User:Theki/best_practices#Abstract_Wikipedia|here]] that you think would make for a good technical section of the page? &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 00:04, 15 May 2026 (UTC) ::I've added some of them. Thank you for your list of best practices by the way, I generally agree with them (I can't endorse connecting WD items currently in hope of a better technical solution, but otherwise I do). [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 00:58, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Proposals on the architecture of Abstract Content rendering == Starting from a discussion born on the Wikifunctions Telegram chat, I've explained two different proposals on how the NLG on Abstract Wikipedia should be organized in the page [[User:Dv103/Abstract articles architectures]]. Please come to contribute to the discussion, or to propose alternatives. [[User:Dv103|Dv103]] ([[User talk:Dv103|talk]]) 14:32, 11 May 2026 (UTC) == [[MediaWiki:Wikimedia-copyright-footer]] == The copyright message has a few issues, mainly that it does not address abstract content (which is not "text"), nor object labels (which are under CC0). Proposed text: "<nowiki> Text and abstract content are available under the [https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/ Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License]; the labels of objects from [[f:|Wikifunctions]] are available under the [https://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/ Creative Commons CC0 License]; additional terms may apply. See [https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Policy:Terms_of_Use Terms of Use] for details. </nowiki>" Which, when rendered, looks like: Text and abstract content are available under the [https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/ Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License]; the labels of objects from [[f:|Wikifunctions]] are available under the [https://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/ Creative Commons CC0 License]; additional terms may apply. See [https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Policy:Terms_of_Use Terms of Use] for details. The message is somewhat inspired by the current one and WF's. Thoughts? Thank you! [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 13:30, 12 May 2026 (UTC) :@[[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]]: As you probably imagine, this text is very tightly controlled by the Wikimedia Foundation's Legal department. I think the first port of call should be a discussion about why you might want to change things, rather than a rush to specific re-wordings, before approaching them for sign-off. [[User:Jdforrester (WMF)|Jdforrester (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Jdforrester (WMF)|talk]]) 14:28, 12 May 2026 (UTC) ::Well I briefly summarized my justification, my proposed text was just an idea for a starting point. Basically, the abstract content is not really "text", so the footer doesn't actually tell the reader what they're allowed to do with it, and I argue that the current wording implies that the labels are licensed under CC-BY-SA 4, when they aren't. I think a change is critical as otherwise we're not showing the reader a license, or, arguably, in the case of labels, showing users a license that ''does not apply'', which is a pretty bad thing. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 14:51, 12 May 2026 (UTC) == [[MediaWiki:AbstractWikiSuggestedWikifunctions.json]] == I'd think we should add [[f:Z33068]] here. The function allows you to form a paragraph out of sentences and handles languages having different standards of whether to add a space between them, and adding it here would make finding it easier. I'm not sure what policy we want to have for the suggested functions, this idea might help formulate it. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 16:06, 12 May 2026 (UTC) :[[User:Jdforrester (WMF)]] tells me the page has been changed to [[Special:CommunityConfiguration/AbstractWikiSuggestedWikifunctions]] on the telegram. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 16:25, 12 May 2026 (UTC) ::@[[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]]: Yup, see the weekly update on [[f:Wikifunctions:Status_updates/2026-05-02|2026-05-02]]. [[User:Jdforrester (WMF)|Jdforrester (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Jdforrester (WMF)|talk]]) 16:35, 12 May 2026 (UTC) :I also believe Z33068 should be added to the list. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 17:25, 12 May 2026 (UTC) {{done}} see [[Special:Diff/7692]]. Cheers, [[User:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[User talk:VIGNERON|talk]]) 09:08, 20 May 2026 (UTC) == Abstract Wikipedia statistics site source code == https://abstract-data.toolforge.org/ is a very useful tool, but it doesn't seem to have anything pointing to the location of its source code. Is it closed-source or unfree? While I'm at it I feel I should suggest having language pages' paths formatted differently from how they are currently—at the moment it's <code>/languages/Toki%20Pona</code> when something like <code>/languages/tok</code> would be more suitable. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; : See [[:gitlab:toolforge-repos/abstract-data]]. Also pinging {{ping|DSantamaria-WMF|p=}} (thanks for the tool, by the way). [[User:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|<span class="skin-invert" style="color:black;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:110%;font-weight:normal;line-height:normal">NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh</span>]] 00:25, 13 May 2026 (UTC) ::Thank you. I think a link to that repository should be put in a footer somewhere on the website as I wouldn't have found that if not for you. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 02:30, 13 May 2026 (UTC) :::{{ping|Theki}} For the record, I found that repo by searching for "abstract-data" on [[:toolhub:|Toolhub]]. [[User:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|<span class="skin-invert" style="color:black;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:110%;font-weight:normal;line-height:normal">NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh</span>]] 03:34, 13 May 2026 (UTC) :::Thanks for the feedback and the report, fixed both things, we have now the link to the repo in the side bar footer, and also the language codes are used in the URLs. Thanks! [[User:DSantamaria-WMF|DSantamaria-WMF]] ([[User talk:DSantamaria-WMF|talk]]) 11:46, 13 May 2026 (UTC) ::::Are you particularly attached to keeping country flag emojis next to the language names? Some consider it an [https://flagsarenotlanguages.com/blog anti-pattern]. [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 16:17, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::I think the use of flags is not really harmful since this is not a ''language selector'', it is just a list of languages. Of course not every language has an associated flag, for example Latin, which does look a bit awkward, but it can't be helped. Maybe give languages without a flag a unique icon from Wikimedia Commons? e.g. <div style="display:inline-flex;align-items:center;border:1px solid #0002;border-radius:4px;gap:4px;padding:4px;">[[File:Toki pona.svg|16px]] Toki Pona</div> instead of <div style="display:inline-flex;align-items:center;border:1px solid #0002;border-radius:4px;gap:4px;padding:4px;"><span>🌐</span>Toki Pona</div>. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 16:37, 14 May 2026 (UTC) ::::::I thought I saw 🏛️ being used for Latin earlier. But of course, as far as the Unicode Consortium is concerned, [[Q65300415|🇬🇧]] doesn't mean '[[Q1680|English]]', no more than [[Q100587670|🏳️‍🌈]] means '[[Q1359130|Polari]]'; technically, it doesn't even mean '[[Q145|United Kingdom]]', just the letters 🇺 and 🇰 next to each other (which linguistically would indicate [[Q8798|Ukrainian]] in ISO 639, but these are 'regional indicator symbols'). [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 17:21, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::As seems (from this comment and also [[f:User_talk:DSantamaria-WMF#c-%E9%AD%94%E7%90%B4-20260513063700-Country_flags_in_abstract-data|others' comments]]) that flags are a little bit controversial, I just removed them, IMHO it was just an aesthetic concept, I like the look and feel that flags bring to the language labels, but happy to remove them if make some people feel uncomfortable with the concept. [[User:DSantamaria-WMF|DSantamaria-WMF]] ([[User talk:DSantamaria-WMF|talk]]) 05:54, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Make it more user Friendly == Make it more user-friendly by adding drag-and-drop compenots and one click additions, and make it similar to a visual macro buidler. [[User:ChippyTechGH|ChippyTechGH]] ([[User talk:ChippyTechGH|talk]]) 01:00, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :Could you file something like this on [[phab:|phabricator]]? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 01:01, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Person infoboxes == Hi all, I've just created [[f:Z35167|infobox for person (Z35167)]]. All it can really do presently is display the name of the person in the chosen language and in the person's native language, but it's a good start. I started writing it as a composition but chose to switch to writing it in JavaScript instead, which ended up being less headache-inducing (managing a large list of strings to concatenate together is not fun, plus compositions bring lots of additional overhead). Unfortunately, this means that the actual ''useful'' parts of the infobox—the information about the person themself—is not really doable. I'd need to dereference the Wikidata property references to get their label in the requested language, but since they're references and I'm working with code, not compositions, I can't just call [[f:Z6822|fetch Wikidata property (Z6822)]] and be done with it. If there's a WikiLambda API to do this inside of the JS itself that would be great and would solve everything, but at the moment that alone is what's holding it back, or so it seems. I can get the actual ''values'' of statements just fine, though. If I am missing some amazing WikiLambda API function that will solve this problem for me by letting me dereference the PID, then please let me know because that would be great. If you want to look at an example of the infobox right meow, you can view [https://abstract.wikipedia.org/view/tok/Q317521 Q317521 in Toki Pona] and see how it states Musk's name in both Toki Pona ''and'' his native English name. COOL! My hope is that this can be made less barebones in the near future. Infoboxes are a great way to get quick information on a subject and can fill in the informational gaps in the presently sparse articles we have at the moment, all while staying in the user's requested language. Feedback is appreciated! &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 02:58, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :Thank you for this! I wonder if perhaps it would be better to create one "infobox" function and then have compositions call that, making wd retrival possible? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 03:38, 15 May 2026 (UTC) ::Working on that at the moment, I think I've got it working but I'm hitting a ratelimit in the orchestrator so I don't know for sure. The main issue with it now is that the actual [[f:Z35175|infobox template (Z35175)]] wrapper was programmed in JS so as to not be a pain in the ass, so this means that it can only take in strings, HTML fragments, etc. so the retrieval of Wikidata stuff still needs to be done by the caller and is rather verbose (see [[f:Z35168|the main implementation]]). The niceties will come soon later once I know that it all works at a lower level, though. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 05:04, 15 May 2026 (UTC) ::So the problem now seems to be that when [[f:Z29825|label of Wikidata property in language (Z29825)]] isn't being faulty, it's being incredibly slow. Considering retrieving Wikidata items from their references seems to take, like, four to five seconds, and we'll have tens of statements in these infoboxes, I don't see how the property names could be retrieved in a way that doesn't cause the orchestrator to time out or hit a ratelimit. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 06:01, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :::I think I figured something out? I'm just going to try calling [[f:Z35036|fetch Wikidata property or parts (Z35036)]], it seems to be much faster for whatever reason. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 06:05, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :::It works now, a little rough around the edges, also very slow, but I think I'm mostly happy with it. Of course it would be great if all you needed to provide to the template function to get a label-statement row was the property reference itself, but I'm too sleep-deprived to figure that out at the moment. I made five bespoke functions specifically for this infobox, more than I would like, but it's probably not ''that'' bad. I'm just hoping I didn't duplicate any functionality in trying to make the composition less verbose and repetitive. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 07:15, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Wikifunctions & Abstract Wikipedia Newsletter #248 is out: A higher meaning == There is [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-05-15|a new update]] for Abstract Wikipedia and Wikifunctions. Please, come and read it! In this issue, we discuss functions creating language fragments, we present our latest news in Types, and we take a look at the latest software developments. Want to catch up with the previous updates? Check [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates|our archive]]! Enjoy the reading! -- [[User:Sannita (WMF)|User:Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 14:36, 15 May 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Sannita (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Wikifunctions_%26_Abstract_Wikipedia&oldid=30536976 --> == Translations == Yes, this question is probably easily answerable through a Web search, but I thought I'd ask here anyways. I am unfortunately not bilingual... I know Toki Pona, but it's a constructed language. I'd love to be a polyglot of some sorts but that is a future thing. I've been trying to translate pages into tok, for funsies mostly. At any rate, I want to convert some of the un-translated pages, namely Feeglgeef's policy drafts, into ones that can be translated (and then translate them into Toki Pona of course). I think I have to be a translation administrator for this? Which is a process that I'd have to ''apply'' for, and I doubt I have the credentials to be accepted for such a role. Regardless, is there a way I can go about this without having to do it through someone else? I can probably easily find documentation on marking pages for translation but I don't know how much I'm actually capable of doing as just a regular user. Should I apply? &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 14:15, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :Most of the process of preparing a page for translation can be done by any editor. See [[:mw:Help:Extension:Translate/Page translation example]]. :The step of marking a page or translation for the first time or after changes must be done by a translation administrator. :I recommend learning the <nowiki><translate> and <tvar></nowiki> syntax and using it on a few pages before applying for this permission. After you do it on a few pages, and you feel confident, and you want to do it more, you can ask for the permission. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 14:28, 20 May 2026 (UTC) ::Just to confirm, did I mark up [[Special:Diff/8138|this page]] for translation properly? I thought to give the hatnote its own <code>&lt;translate&gt;</code> enclosure so as to exclude the indent and italicization from needing to be included in the translatable text. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 15:10, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :::Mostly properly, but don't exclude <code><nowiki>''</nowiki></code> for italics from translation. It's generally a good idea to exclude complex markup from translation because it's hard for many people to type, and it usually stays the same in translation anyway. <code><nowiki>''</nowiki></code> for italics is different, however: it's very simple to type and familiar to most editors; italic letters are used differently in different languages, and in some languages they aren't used at all, so translators need the freedom to use them appropriately; this markup can also appear in the middle of a translation unit and not only in the ends. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 15:35, 20 May 2026 (UTC) ::::Thank you for the guidance. Should the italics be included if they are used over the entire hatnote? I figure that placement of italics should be left up to the discretion of the translators, but the hatnote itself is meant to be entirely italicized, I would think irrespective of the language it's in. Is this the right idea or should they still be kept within the translation unit? &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 15:45, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :::::Yes, italics should be included in the translation unit if they are used over the entire hatnote. Some languages don't use italic writing at all, so it shouldn't be forced. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 18:36, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :I'd support a translation administrator request ;), for reasons below. I'm not sure why we need a seperate translation administrator right, or why we have to call it an "administrator" (deciding that a page could be translated is a much less important role than, say, page deletion, or blocking). We picked three of them (well, one of them went through the WMF, so we picked two), [https://abstract.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Log?type=pagetranslation&user=&page=&excludetempacct=1&wpdate=&tagfilter=&wpfilters%5B%5D=newusers&wpFormIdentifier=logeventslist they don't appear very active, though], only marking 9 times this month, zero (0) of which were for pages marked for the first time. Both community translation admins used their global history and rights to get the role and only stop by occasionally, so having one who ''actually'' edits here would be nice. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 15:06, 20 May 2026 (UTC) ::This reply echos my philosophy of a sort of wiki-[[Q166005|xenophobia]] (the term xenophobia is probably too harsh, and I wouldn't consider myself one in real life, but it's the best word I can think of), I generally distrust users with a lot of global rights (both global sysop etc. and large amounts of local rights) who come make [[m:Metapedianism|metapedian]] contributions, not as people but to their ability to handle Wikifunctions and Abstract Wikipedia as incredibly unique and technically complex projects. I apologize if it my opinions come off as rude or ungrateful, I do appreciate the work of our translation administrators. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 15:26, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :::You don't bother me, it's fine. I think they definitely have a place, they can be useful and they usually are. Obviously local admins and what have you that earned their roles through the trust and reputation of the specific community they are in are going to occupy a more trusting position in my mind than a global sysop or global ''anything''. Specialized role members are good and healthy in the long term; I think we are giving these privileges to global users sparingly as the project is still in its infancy and as core contributors emerge and take up key positions we will have a more well-rounded and self-sustaining community with less global privileges needed to take up certain tasks. Wikifunctions probably needed some Foundation members or other staff to act as functioneers initially while the general community was still orienting themselves with WikiLambda and working on applying for the role, but now we have [[f:Special:ListUsers/functioneer|74(!) of them]] and the number of normal members using their specialized skills outnumbers those who were "grandfathered" in (for lack of a better term) or similar. The wiki is young—it just needs time. I myself have been considering applying for sysop privileges since they are obviously needed (there being exactly Zero of them at the moment); I've been weighing the pros and cons of such a commitment, it's obviously a lot to take up. I wish your sysop request went through, I think you would have made a great admin here. I'm unsure of what others think of my capabilities, I'm rather in-and-out around these social spaces so I don't know if there's much to go off of. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 15:55, 20 May 2026 (UTC) ::::Totally agree, and I'd support a sysopship request as well, though I'm apparently not good at assessing what the community considers supportable in admin candidate ;). ::::Off-topic, but interestingly, the sysop toolset allows you to grant yourself translation adminship. I'm not sure if sysops are expected not to grant themselves the permissions (kind of like how on enwiki 'crats are expected not grant themselves any rights without discussion despite having the technical rights), but I did it to myself on WF because [https://www.wikifunctions.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&logid=84940 another sysop had]. Additionally, the functioneer right [[Special:ListGroupRights#functioneer|exists on this wiki]], with the same rights on WF, despite all of them not doing anything on this wiki. I believe this is because, on the technical side, both AW and WF are powered by the same MediaWiki extension (Wikilambda), with one wiki set to a mode for abstract articles and another set to a mode for ZObjects. [https://dag.wikipedia.org/wiki/Di%C5%8B%27gahim:ListGroupRights#functioneer Checking the Dagbani Wikipedia] supports this theory. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 18:00, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :::::It always depends on the local policy. For Wikifunctions it is: ''Administrators do not need to undergo another discussion to become translation administrators; they can self-grant the rights to their account if necessary. Temporary administrators are not allowed to self-grant permanent translation administrator rights.'' :::::The availability of the functioneer right is a bug, see [[phab:T407066]]. --[[User:Ameisenigel|Ameisenigel]] ([[User talk:Ameisenigel|talk]]) 19:36, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :::If you don't consider yourself a xenophobe in real life, I would recommend not calling yourself that here, or anywhere really. Especially since it was the ideological capture during the 2010s of the Croatian-language Wikipedia [[w:hr:]] by actual xenophobes that was part of the impetus for Abstract Wikipedia according to [https://simia.net/wiki/Draft:_Collaborating_on_the_sum_of_all_knowledge_across_languages#A_look_on_some_south_Slavic_language_Wikipedias Denny's blog]. [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 22:10, 26 May 2026 (UTC) == Policy drafts == Hi all! I've written some draft policies and guidelines over the last few days. We're not a bureaucracy, so the point is not to set some rules but to kick off some discussions as to how our wiki will work. So far, I've created: * [[Abstract Wikipedia:Notability|a notability guideline]] * [[Abstract Wikipedia:Deletion policy|a deletion policy]] I've written them as my opinion on what should happen, but I'm hoping to align them with community consensus as we discuss them more. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 13:44, 21 May 2026 (UTC) == Wikifunctions & Abstract Wikipedia Newsletter #249 is out: Annual plan 2026-2027 == There is [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-05-23|a new update]] for Abstract Wikipedia and Wikifunctions. Please, come and read it! In this issue, we present you the current draft of objectives for Wikifunctions and Abstract Wikipedia in the WMF Annual Plan 2026-2027, and we take a look at the latest software developments. Want to catch up with the previous updates? Check [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates|our archive]]! Enjoy the reading! -- [[User:Sannita (WMF)|User:Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 09:48, 25 May 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Sannita (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Wikifunctions_%26_Abstract_Wikipedia&oldid=30536976 --> == To abstract Wikipedia or be the Abstract Wikipedia == There is a discussion happening about what the [[Abstract Wikipedia:Notability|notability criteria]] for Abstract Wikipedia should be, and in trying to participate I've found my idea of Abstract Wikipedia is awfully abstract. Is Abstract Wikipedia supposed to abstract Wikipedia, as in abstracting information from existing articles on the language Wikipedias (barring new contributions), or is it supposed to become the Abstract Wikipedia, supporting collaboration across all languages like it's the language Wikipedia to end all language Wikipedias (allowing new contributions)? I thought the answer would be obvious, but the name Abstract Wikipedia is a bit ambiguous. Am I missing something? [[User:Some helpful person|Some helpful person]] ([[User talk:Some helpful person|talk]]) 02:16, 27 May 2026 (UTC) :I think ({{ping|DVrandecic (WMF)|p=?}}) the idea is (and I personally prefer) the latter. I believe that, given the fact that it's much easier to write a concrete article than an abstract article, and the fact that the community of potential future contributors on enwiki is skeptical ''at best'', we ultimately will never expand beyond the size of other wikis, but I see no problem with allowing volunteers to add information not on other wikis (it's probably not the most effective, but they're volunteers, beggars can't be choosers), as long as it's not vandalism, useless, or promotional slop. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 02:31, 27 May 2026 (UTC) :@[[User:Some helpful person|Some helpful person]] Abstract Wikipedia is a Wikipedia, where people can collaborate across languages on articles, which can then be used to fill gaps in the existing Wikipedias. Whereas I expect that current Wikipedia articles might be used as a convenient starting point for many of the articles in Abstract Wikipedia, this is more a consequence of Wikipedia being one of the best places to go to to find reliable knowledge, but that is not part of how it is supposed to work. So, this is not to abstract the existing Wikipedias, but to collaborate on an Abstract Wikipedia. At no point is this meant to replace existing Wikipedias. (Thanks to @[[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] for the ping!) --[[User:DVrandecic (WMF)|DVrandecic (WMF)]] ([[User talk:DVrandecic (WMF)|talk]]) 17:01, 27 May 2026 (UTC) ::Thank you, this makes a lot more sense now. [[User:Some helpful person|Some helpful person]] ([[User talk:Some helpful person|talk]]) 21:52, 27 May 2026 (UTC) == template suggestion == Some way to mock abstract syntax on talk and project pages, analogous to those in [[d:category:format Template]]. [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 15:21, 27 May 2026 (UTC) :Hmm. I agree. :Workshopping ideas for how it works: :* Invokation: <nowiki>{{Call|Z26039|{"Z1K1": "Z18", "Z18K1": "Z825K1"}|{"Z1K1": "Z6091", "Z6091K1": "Q634"}|{"Z1K1": "Z18", "Z18K1": "Z825K1"}|lang=en}}</nowiki> :** This could then be suplemented by helper templates: <nowiki>{{Call|Z26039|{{Wikidata item argument reference}}|{{Wikidata item reference|Q634}}|{{Language argument reference}}}}</nowiki> :* This would result in "[[f:Z26039|subject is instance of (string)]] (wikidata item reference, [[d:Q634|planet]], language)" :** Icons are missing in this example, I'm not sure if we can actually add them :Thoughts? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 16:04, 27 May 2026 (UTC) == Marking NLG Default text == Some NLG functions give default texts, like [[f:Z33420|Z33420]] will give text like "Paris ∈ {city}". sometimes in other languages the English text is show. Currently there is no visual clue that these texts are not normal text in the requested language. I propose we mark these text with color <span style="color:magenta;">Paris ∈ {city}</span> with something like <nowiki><span style="color:magenta;">Paris ∈ {city}</span></nowiki>. To have this configurable/maintainable this could be included in a function, called NLG default text or so, with a text as input an a text in color as output. The exact formatting like magenta color or gray background or something else can be discussed/decided later. To have it even more configurable on personal stylesheets it could use a class like <nowiki><span class="NLG Default text">Paris ∈ {city}</span></nowiki>. What do you think? Could somebody make such a function already? [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 12:00, 29 May 2026 (UTC) :The are technically just monolingual texts in a language called "multiple languages". I threw a prototype together really quickly, [[f:Z35839]]. It will accept strings, monolingual texts, and html fragments as input, so you have to select which type you want. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 14:59, 29 May 2026 (UTC) ::OK, thanks, I added it to [[f:Z26039]] and works as expected, see [https://www.wikifunctions.org/wiki/Z26039?call=%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z7%22%2C%22Z7K1%22%3A%22Z26039%22%2C%22Z26039K1%22%3A%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z6091%22%2C%22Z6091K1%22%3A%22Q64%22%7D%2C%22Z26039K2%22%3A%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z6091%22%2C%22Z6091K1%22%3A%22Q515%22%7D%2C%22Z26039K3%22%3A%22Z1555%22%7D here]. The test for the function with default text now fails because it now is in magenta color. That was to be expected. I will leave the tests unchanged if that is OK with you, as we might need to change the exact formatting. ::Is it OK to add this to other NLG functions that produce default output? [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 15:59, 29 May 2026 (UTC) :::Sure, [[w:en:WP:Be bold|be bold]]! [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 20:50, 29 May 2026 (UTC) ::::Feeglgeef, I am struggling with the output. Can you have a look? [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 17:02, 30 May 2026 (UTC) :::::Can you link me to where? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 17:08, 30 May 2026 (UTC) ::::::{{Q|90}} in a language vls should give a magenta text. Instead it gives "Wikifunctions returned a failed response: Unspecified error". [[f:Z33422]] results "<span style="color: magenta;">Parys ∈ {stad}</span>" (as a string). [[f:Z26039]] also gives "<span style="color: magenta;">Parys ∈ {stad}</span>", but it's test [[f:Z33726]] gives an HTML equivalent, not a string. [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 17:59, 30 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::You shouldn't be returning HTML in string-typed functions. I'm not sure, then, how we implement your proposal, actually. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 18:54, 30 May 2026 (UTC) ::::::::I tried with [[f:Z35921]] but now the output is the literal text, and not HTML. Does anybody have an idea how to implement the text in a color? ::::::::Alternatively we could use texts like // Parys ∈ {stad} //. [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 16:51, 31 May 2026 (UTC) ::::::::: You need to output [[f:Z89|HTML fragment]], not String. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 17:16, 31 May 2026 (UTC) :I agree with the above that this should not be applied to functions which return strings or monolingual text. If anything, it might work to insert it into functions returning HTML. The most egregious problems I've seen are when I tried to render into an RTL language (e.g. Hebrew 0 try on [[Q408]]), and it spilled all the formatting all over the article. I will revert the change to the string default at [[:f:Z33421]], but suggest it is tested carefully if implemented elsewhere. In general I prefer just marking with spans rather than colours at this stage. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 04:49, 3 June 2026 (UTC) :: Perhaps mark with spans given a specific ID and then allow users to use a userscript/gadget to paint them magenta? That seems like the most considerate approach. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 05:12, 3 June 2026 (UTC) :::[[:f:Z32234]] suggests something like <code>span lang="mul"</code> or similar. [[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 05:20, 3 June 2026 (UTC) ::::I will (carefully) try some other alternatives, and use a personal class in my userscript for <nowiki><span class="NLG Default text"></nowiki>. [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 14:05, 4 June 2026 (UTC) ::::: If possible, can you use <nowiki><span lang="mul"></nowiki>? This would allow it to also catch some instances automatically. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 16:14, 4 June 2026 (UTC) ::::::I have done so, but how can I set my personal stylesheet to show color magenta with <span lang="mul">? [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 22:20, 4 June 2026 (UTC) == Ratification of the deletion policy proposal? == I haven't seen any unresolved objections to my proposal for a [[Abstract Wikipedia:Deletion policy|policy for deletion]]. Does anybody have any issues, and, if not, is it ok to ratify as an actual policy? I intend to remove the draft template and replace it with a policy template unless anyone voices any objection within a week. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 20:55, 29 May 2026 (UTC) :Is it just me or does [[Abstract Wikipedia:Deletion policy#Reasons for deletion]] render blank with only number bullets without the actual text after ''1.'' or ''2.''? [[User:Bunnypranav|Bunnypranav]] ([[User talk:Bunnypranav|talk]]) 07:13, 30 May 2026 (UTC) ::I see text. ―[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''<span style="color:black">v</span>f</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 07:49, 30 May 2026 (UTC) :::I can see on my phone, but it goes blank on my laptop. What is the role of ''<nowiki><span class="anchor" id="1"></nowiki>''? [[User:Bunnypranav|Bunnypranav]] ([[User talk:Bunnypranav|talk]]) 12:15, 30 May 2026 (UTC) ::::{{ping|Bunnypranav}} I can see the text everywhere (I tested connected and not connected, on my phone, laptop, with Chrome or Firefox ; what system do you use?). As the name suggest, the span anchor is here to create an HTML anchor, so you can do link like [[Abstract_Wikipedia:Deletion_policy#7]]. Cheers, [[User:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[User talk:VIGNERON|talk]]) 13:49, 30 May 2026 (UTC) :::::I'm on Brave browser. Nevertheless, forget it. The culprit might be some random customization I did to my system which I cannot recollect. The reason is the span tag only though, tried a preview kicking out a text to just outside the tag and it worked. [[User:Bunnypranav|Bunnypranav]] ([[User talk:Bunnypranav|talk]]) 14:23, 30 May 2026 (UTC) :Globally, it looks fine. I think that reasons 7 and 8 may need some examples/clarifications. There is no global consensus when it comes to creating categories. For example, categories for building interiors and exteriors. Personally, I feel that they are useful for easier discoverability. [[User:Jsamwrites|John Samuel]] ([[User:Jsamwrites|talk]]) 15:39, 30 May 2026 (UTC) ::I've copied them over from enwiki. They're probably included in "content otherwise not suited for an encyclopedia." Since sysops can't speedy them, it'd be up to commenters on [[Abstract:RFD]] to determine. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 16:48, 30 May 2026 (UTC) == Wikifunctions & Abstract Wikipedia Newsletter #250 is out: Looking back and forward == There is [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-05-30|a new update]] for Abstract Wikipedia and Wikifunctions. Please, come and read it! In this issue, we present you a recollection of our work so far, now that we celebrate our 250th newsletter, we share with you a summary of our latest outreach activities, and we take a look at the latest software developments. Want to catch up with the previous updates? Check [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates|our archive]]! Enjoy the reading! -- [[User:Sannita (WMF)|User:Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 10:04, 1 June 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Sannita (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Wikifunctions_%26_Abstract_Wikipedia&oldid=30606821 --> lb38qw9487kqyg9fivfed4u0juvyzwq 9603 9596 2026-06-04T22:49:31Z Theki 2698 archive 9603 wikitext text/x-wiki {{#ifexist:Abstract Wikipedia:Project chat/Header/{{USERLANGUAGE}}|{{/Header/{{USERLANGUAGE}}}}|{{/Header}}}} {{/Archives}} <!-- Add your discussion below this line --> == Why don't we just structure this with wikitemplates? == I feel like the project could be done a lot better by using templates kind of like how wikipedia does them. Just the entire thing is templates that can be rendered in many languages. So like [[Q106289265]] would have the content <nowiki>{{Z26039|Q7257}}</nowiki> and could even have some aliasing done across languages so it could be <nowiki>{{subject is|Q7257}}</nowiki>. Code would be editable with a regular visual editor or code editor. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 04:34, 29 March 2026 (UTC) :This is available in pages when Parsoid rendering is enabled. We don't use this becuase it doesn't make sense for constructing and editing massive articles. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 21:37, 29 March 2026 (UTC) ::How do you do parsoid rendering? And why wouldn't it make sense? With aliases and everything could work great. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 23:12, 29 March 2026 (UTC) :::I believe it is enabled by default. If you do have it on: {{#function:Z10000|you'll s|ee this}} [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 14:54, 30 March 2026 (UTC) :you may be interested in reading this old [[m:Abstract_Wikipedia/Google.org_Fellows_evaluation|Google report]]. [[User:BrokenSegue|BrokenSegue]] ([[User talk:BrokenSegue|talk]]) 14:32, 9 May 2026 (UTC) == Why the editing API doesn't work == {{tracked|T423542}} Immanuelle wrongly stated that there is no REST API for editing. [[#REST API for editing?|There is]]. However, it does not work when called from software outside Abstract Wikipedia. That is because there is no way to grant a bot password or OAuth customer the permission to edit abstract articles (<code>wikilambda-abstract-edit</code>) and create them (<code>wikilambda-abstract-create</code>), since no grant on [[Special:ListGrants]] includes either. Should this be fixed? [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 01:57, 26 April 2026 (UTC) :Yes I think the rights should be added. I think the number of automated edits should be low at the moment as Abstract Wikipedia is still in an early phase and so far there is not much support for small languages and so many functions will maybe change to cover more languages. As automatic editing using a Bot Account requires an formal request it is no problem if the option exists. [[User:Hogü-456|Hogü-456]] ([[User talk:Hogü-456|talk]]) 18:17, 26 April 2026 (UTC) :Sounds good to me. Could we add a bot section to [[Abstract Wikipedia:Requests for permissions]]? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 23:35, 5 May 2026 (UTC) ::[[Abstract_Wikipedia:Requests_for_permissions#Bot]] ―[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''<span style="color:black">v</span>f</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 23:56, 5 May 2026 (UTC) :not currently possible :((((( [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 14:46, 30 April 2026 (UTC) :Feeglgeef is correct, past tense sentence generation is something we are sorely lacking at the moment. If you look at [[f:WF:Type proposals#Representing abstract content|Wikifunctions' type proposals]] you can see some initiatives that could hopefully mitigate this. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 13:49, 1 May 2026 (UTC) == Spaces between sentences, another attempt == [[Abstract Wikipedia:Project chat#Extra spaces between sentences|A month ago]], @[[User:内存溢出的猫|内存溢出的猫]]<ref group="spaces3>According to Google Translate, it's pronounced "Nèicún yìchū de māo". Please correct me if it's wrong. When I write, I want to know how are things that I write pronounced aloud, and very unfortunately, I never learned to read Chinese characters, and even if I did, most English speakers probably didn't. Come to think of it, is there a function that ''reliably'' transliterates Chinese characters?</ref> That discussion doesn't seem to have yielded any fixes or meaningful discussions, at least not that I can see. [[Abstract Wikipedia:Project chat#Spaces between sentences|Two weeks ago]], I tried to bring up a similar topic, but that discussion somehow got derailed and also didn't yield anything useful. Now, the problem looks differently, but it's still a problem. When I look at [[Q10251]], for example, what I see is four sentences that ''appear'' with ''no'' spaces between them. Not one, not two—none at all. It looks like this: :Plasma is a fundamental state of matter.Plasma is a classical state of matter.A plasma is a gas.A plasma is a matter. Note that I emphasized ''appear'': When I see them rendered on the screen, they have no spaces between them. In the HTML, however, they are represented as four <code><nowiki><div></nowiki></code>s, and their inline positioning is handled by CSS. This means, for example, that if I copy and paste them, I don't get a long string with no spaces after full stops, but four sentences with a single line break after each full stop: <poem> Plasma is a fundamental state of matter. Plasma is a classical state of matter. A plasma is a gas. A plasma is a matter. </poem> This is not how it is supposed to be done. <code><nowiki><div></nowiki></code>s are supposed to be used for block elements and not hacked into appearing as if they are inline (also known as phrasing). Spaces between sentences are supposed to be real characters rather than HTML and CSS tricks, they may be different in different languages, and in some languages they may be nothing at all. I hope that the definition of the problem is clear. <references group="spaces3"></references> [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 12:49, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :Hi, have a look at it [[Special:PermanentLink/7132|now]]. Does this match your expectations? I think it's not rendering right now for whatever reason, but there are other examples of it being done this way that you can see: [[Q241691]]. The article renders properly in both English (spaces between sentences) and Japanese (no spaces at all). : :'''English:''' :<blockquote>Programmed Data Processor is a computer model series by Digital Equipment Corporation. PDP-8 is a Programmed Data Processor.</blockquote> :'''Japanese:''' :<blockquote>PDPシリーズはディジタル・イクイップメント・コーポレーションによるコンピュータ・モデル・シリーズである。PDP-8はPDPシリーズである。</blockquote> : :I have some, err, strong opinions about [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]]'s 「Abstract Wikipedia Editor」 tool, which is the predominant cause for all of these very janky and poorly-laid-out articles that you see. This is not how an article ought to be written on Abstract Wikipedia, and I and other editors are aware of this. If you see these problems, please do fix them! The wiki will be all the better for it. : :In the absence of consensus on such things as these (and awaiting any official policy pages) I have written [[f:User:Theki/best practices]] on my Wikifunctions userpage. You are welcome to read it if you wish. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 17:20, 2 May 2026 (UTC) ::The output of [[Q241691]] looks OK to me in this regard. How was it done? ::[[Q10251]] gives me an error. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 18:10, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :::WikiLambda is doing WikiLambda things. This WASI time limit error happens intermittently on Abstract Wikipedia articles and it usually goes away after a short while. The only thing is that it doesn't really seem like purging these articles does anything to force the orchestrator to retry its evaluation so the article might not render that paragraph until someone comes in and pokes at it by editing it somehow. ::: :::The working article uses the [[f:Z33068|''paragraph from sentences'']] function to lay out its individual sentence content. This function automatically handles converting any and all text-like objects (strings, HTML fragments, and monolingual text) to a consistent form, so sentence fragments can all be supplied verbatim to its list input. When the function is putting the sentences together it defaults to using a single space to separate them, but first checks if the requested language is in the [[f:Z33984|''languages without spaces between sentences'']] list. If it is, it doesn't add spaces at all, and just concatenates the sentences normally. I hope this explanation makes sense. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 18:19, 2 May 2026 (UTC) ::::It makes some sense, but earlier, you suggested: "If you see these problems, please do fix them", and I'm not entirely sure how to do it. How would I fix it in [[Q100]], for example? [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 19:41, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :::::In this case you would do the following: :::::# At the bottom, click the plus and then 「Add empty fragment」. :::::# Set the function to [[f:Z33068]], as mentioned earlier. :::::# Now go through each sentence fragment, find the innermost sentence-generation function, click on the three dots, and copy it. Do not copy the calls to [[f:Z29749]] or similar, these are not necessary. :::::# Go to the ''paragraph with sentences'' function call and add an element to the list. :::::# Click on the three dots next to the new element, and paste in the earlier sentence fragment. :::::# You can now delete the original fragment and repeat the process in the same list for the one after it. :::::&mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 19:46, 2 May 2026 (UTC) ::@[[User:Theki|Theki]] I intend on fixing it, I recently made an attempt but the suggested fixes made problems worse. Do you have any practical suggestions of how to structure the templates? I will try to implement them when I have more time. ::Also your name is very confusing, are you in the process of getting it changed wiki-wide? [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 22:36, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :::Um, are you referring to my signature not matching my wiki username? I have considered for a long time changing it from ''theki'', but I don't feel like putting in the effort when it seems to be perfectly ignorable for most people. The user 「''Rae''」 can't be usurped because they made, like, two or three articles on the Persian Wikipedia two decades ago or something, I don't know. If that weren't the case I would be User:Rae right now but after that failed to go through I just decided to stop bothering. Maybe at some point I'll come up with a username I'm happy with keeping for the foreseeable future but I have other concerns at the moment. :::Could you explain how your attempted fixes 「made problems worse」? Presently I side with Feeglgeef's sentiments and prefer to wait for abstract content to actually be feasible to make on a reasonably descriptive scale (see: the type proposals) before I go around making articles willy-nilly, which is what AWE has been doing—making a bunch of pretty low-quality articles on a massive scale when it probably ''really'' would have been better to, err, hold off on that. :::And I honestly know very little about the actual workings of your editor, I don't really use it nor am I familiar with its template syntax or whatever it may use, so I'm going to look over how it actually works and then get back to you on that. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 23:28, 2 May 2026 (UTC) ::::Using this [[f:Z33068]] made things worse [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 00:44, 3 May 2026 (UTC) :::::That did not go through correctly but I do not think we have a proper thing for it. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 00:45, 3 May 2026 (UTC) ::::::What? Could you elaborate? &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 01:00, 3 May 2026 (UTC) ::::::{{ping|Immanuelle}} I checked. Your issue is that your editor is not providing the article language to Z33068K2; that is, the ''paragraph from sentences'' function has a second argument, and your editor was omitting it. If you properly specify it, it will work. Please, next time, actually tell me what went wrong instead of going quiet and forcing me to look after it myself. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 17:06, 4 May 2026 (UTC) :I avoid [[f:Z33068]] for now, because executing a whole paragraph in a single call would often time out. So my current alternative is inserting [[f:Z35672]] between sentences. Fairly clunky, but it works... --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 06:08, 28 May 2026 (UTC) ::Can you categorize the talk pages of articles you're doing that with? It has major accessibility concerns for our friends using screen readers, so it'd be nice to be able to find those with issues when were able to fix the calls [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 21:50, 28 May 2026 (UTC) :::I think the new tool can show us this (via dumps). For example, here are the uses of 'paragraph': https://abstract-data.toolforge.org/zid/Z32123 --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 23:07, 28 May 2026 (UTC) ::::There's more than one way to not use spaces correctly and more than one way to use spaces correctly, this wouldn't catch all of them. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 23:13, 28 May 2026 (UTC) :::::I'm not totally sure what you want to track, but I'm confident that this will find all my uses. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 02:10, 29 May 2026 (UTC) ::::I think it slipped past everyone's notice, but I made a template for linking to that sort of information @ [[Template:Zd|<nowiki>{{</nowiki>zd<nowiki>}}</nowiki>]]. {{zd|Z35672|sentence separator}} <span style="font-size:smaller;opacity:0.8">(I don't think the database dumps have noticed the function you're using yet, so it's a 404 at the moment.)</span> &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 01:09, 29 May 2026 (UTC) ===Easier solution?=== Maybe a much easier solution would be to replace the "." after each sentence with ". " (a full stop and a space). The paragraghs might add an extra space, but that is displayed as one by the browser. [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) ==Wiktionary integration== I was trying out a few functions recently, such as [https://www.wikifunctions.org/view/en/Z27243 the new superlative function], and I noticed that ''every adjective'' has to be a Wikidata item. For example, I couldn't type in the inputs "Bugatti Veyron", "fast", "Earth" because "fast" as an adjective is not a Wikidata item. This doesn't really make sense, given that Wiktionary already has the word for "fast" and its superlative form in many different languages. Would it be possible to integrate Wiktionary into the function, so the user can type an adjective or verb from Wiktionary instead of having to deal with Wikidata (which consists almost entirely of nouns)? [[User:Somepinkdude|Somepinkdude]] ([[User talk:Somepinkdude|talk]]) 16:49, 6 May 2026 (UTC) :No, sadly. I would try "speed" as the adjective, though, you have to use abstract qualities instead of concrete English terms. [[File:Wikifunctions Superlative speed example.png|thumb|Here's an example of the word being used.]] [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 18:02, 6 May 2026 (UTC) :Wikidata has standard items as well as lexeme data, so if anything, we should try to integrate those. E.g. [[:d:Lexeme:L1029]]. ―[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''<span style="color:black">v</span>f</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 19:48, 6 May 2026 (UTC) ::I tried this, and it gave "Bugatti Veyron is the speedest car on Earth", which is laughably bad. The problem is that Wikidata does not "know" what the superlative form is, while Wiktionary does. Speed is a fairly common descriptor, but what about less common adjectives which aren't on Wikidata? Will there need to be a bot to copy all of this information from Wiktionary? [[User:Somepinkdude|Somepinkdude]] ([[User talk:Somepinkdude|talk]]) 22:14, 6 May 2026 (UTC) :::I'm not suggesting that the functionality works <em>now</em>, but that we need to integrate the funcationality. ―[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''<span style="color:black">v</span>f</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 22:17, 6 May 2026 (UTC) :::Well, no, the superlative form is chosen by [[f:Z12203]]. I think there's a bug with the English implementation that calls that function wrong. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 22:19, 6 May 2026 (UTC) :@[[User:Somepinkdude|Somepinkdude]] I did find the item {{Q|Q19807466}} which was linked to a concept database's entry for "fast"; I have at least linked it to the English lexeme "fast" and will try to add more links at a better hour. [[User:Mahir256|Mahir256]] ([[User talk:Mahir256|talk]]) 04:18, 7 May 2026 (UTC) == Showcase == I was wondering if there's a curated list of decent articles to learn by example here on Abstract Wikipedia? [[User:Fgnievinski|Fgnievinski]] ([[User talk:Fgnievinski|talk]]) 02:02, 8 May 2026 (UTC) :Unfortunately not, and, honestly, I wouldn't recommend article creation at the moment, it's likely to need significant refactoring as the way we represent abstract content changes, but, I can point you to [[Q668]] as a reasonably good example at the moment. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 02:39, 8 May 2026 (UTC) ::Thank you. "308 languages" blew my mind – well done! [[User:Fgnievinski|Fgnievinski]] ([[User talk:Fgnievinski|talk]]) 02:54, 8 May 2026 (UTC) :::308 is the number of ''concrete'' Wikipedias in which a manually-written article about India is available. :::The abstract article renders for me in English as "India is a country in Asia. India is a republic. New Delhi is the capital of India. India is the most populous country in world." Switching to another language to get rendered as an abstract article is done by typing the language's name in the box above the rendered text. I tried French, German, and Dutch, and got errors in all of them. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 03:12, 8 May 2026 (UTC) ::::So it goes. The paragraph has quite a lot of distinct sentence generation functions, all of which of course have to be implemented in the target language. This will be rounded out once we're able to more effectively generalize linguistic content. I view these functions as sort of patchy temporary solutions to the sentence generation problem while we figure out something more robust, which I hope is soon to come. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 04:15, 8 May 2026 (UTC) == Wikifunctions & Abstract Wikipedia Newsletter #247 is out: References from Wikidata now available == There is [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-05-08|a new update]] for Abstract Wikipedia and Wikifunctions. Please, come and read it! In this issue, we announce that is now possible to pass references in Wikidata statements, we introduce the [https://abstract-data.toolforge.org/ Abstract Data dashboard], we report you on the presentation about Abstract Wikipedia at WikiCon Australia, and we take a look at the latest software developments. Want to catch up with the previous updates? Check [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates|our archive]]! Also, we remind you that if you have questions or ideas to discuss, the next '''Volunteers' Corner''' will be held on '''[https://zonestamp.toolforge.org/1778520600 May 11, at 17:30 UTC]''' ([https://meet.google.com/xuy-njxh-rkw link to the meeting]). Enjoy the reading! -- [[User:Sannita (WMF)|User:Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 11:16, 8 May 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Sannita (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Wikifunctions_%26_Abstract_Wikipedia&oldid=30325620 --> == about the usage of Z33068 == The use of [[f:Z33068]] (en: paragraph from sentences) <s>always</s> most of the time results in the error "Reached time limit in orchestrator." So should it be used at all for now, temporarily? Or maybe there are already some tickets about this that I am not aware of? -- [[User:Asked42|Asked42]] ([[User talk:Asked42|talk]]) 18:23, 10 May 2026 (UTC) :It previously worked, so I'm hoping whatever the issue is will be fixed soon. The current state of the wiki makes [[m:Immediatism|immediatism]] an illogical philosophy to have at the moment, in my opinion. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 20:16, 10 May 2026 (UTC) ::This issue seems to no longer exist, you might need to clear the cache by making a dummy edit on affected articles. I implemented the function in Python (instead of composition), which has increased the speed by about 2000 ms. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 04:31, 11 May 2026 (UTC) :::Seems like working. Thank you. -- [[User:Asked42|Asked42]] ([[User talk:Asked42|talk]]) 19:06, 11 May 2026 (UTC) == Manual of Style == I've created a [[Abstract Wikipedia:Manual of Style|draft for a Manual of Style]]. Please feel free to comment on or make bold edits to the page. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 03:29, 11 May 2026 (UTC) :Thank you! That’s great and I’ll look at it more soon. I’m still taking a bit of a wikibreak. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 22:32, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :Is there anything I've written [[f:User:Theki/best_practices#Abstract_Wikipedia|here]] that you think would make for a good technical section of the page? &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 00:04, 15 May 2026 (UTC) ::I've added some of them. Thank you for your list of best practices by the way, I generally agree with them (I can't endorse connecting WD items currently in hope of a better technical solution, but otherwise I do). [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 00:58, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Proposals on the architecture of Abstract Content rendering == Starting from a discussion born on the Wikifunctions Telegram chat, I've explained two different proposals on how the NLG on Abstract Wikipedia should be organized in the page [[User:Dv103/Abstract articles architectures]]. Please come to contribute to the discussion, or to propose alternatives. [[User:Dv103|Dv103]] ([[User talk:Dv103|talk]]) 14:32, 11 May 2026 (UTC) == [[MediaWiki:Wikimedia-copyright-footer]] == The copyright message has a few issues, mainly that it does not address abstract content (which is not "text"), nor object labels (which are under CC0). Proposed text: "<nowiki> Text and abstract content are available under the [https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/ Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License]; the labels of objects from [[f:|Wikifunctions]] are available under the [https://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/ Creative Commons CC0 License]; additional terms may apply. See [https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Policy:Terms_of_Use Terms of Use] for details. </nowiki>" Which, when rendered, looks like: Text and abstract content are available under the [https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/ Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License]; the labels of objects from [[f:|Wikifunctions]] are available under the [https://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/ Creative Commons CC0 License]; additional terms may apply. See [https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Policy:Terms_of_Use Terms of Use] for details. The message is somewhat inspired by the current one and WF's. Thoughts? Thank you! [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 13:30, 12 May 2026 (UTC) :@[[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]]: As you probably imagine, this text is very tightly controlled by the Wikimedia Foundation's Legal department. I think the first port of call should be a discussion about why you might want to change things, rather than a rush to specific re-wordings, before approaching them for sign-off. [[User:Jdforrester (WMF)|Jdforrester (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Jdforrester (WMF)|talk]]) 14:28, 12 May 2026 (UTC) ::Well I briefly summarized my justification, my proposed text was just an idea for a starting point. Basically, the abstract content is not really "text", so the footer doesn't actually tell the reader what they're allowed to do with it, and I argue that the current wording implies that the labels are licensed under CC-BY-SA 4, when they aren't. I think a change is critical as otherwise we're not showing the reader a license, or, arguably, in the case of labels, showing users a license that ''does not apply'', which is a pretty bad thing. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 14:51, 12 May 2026 (UTC) == [[MediaWiki:AbstractWikiSuggestedWikifunctions.json]] == I'd think we should add [[f:Z33068]] here. The function allows you to form a paragraph out of sentences and handles languages having different standards of whether to add a space between them, and adding it here would make finding it easier. I'm not sure what policy we want to have for the suggested functions, this idea might help formulate it. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 16:06, 12 May 2026 (UTC) :[[User:Jdforrester (WMF)]] tells me the page has been changed to [[Special:CommunityConfiguration/AbstractWikiSuggestedWikifunctions]] on the telegram. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 16:25, 12 May 2026 (UTC) ::@[[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]]: Yup, see the weekly update on [[f:Wikifunctions:Status_updates/2026-05-02|2026-05-02]]. [[User:Jdforrester (WMF)|Jdforrester (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Jdforrester (WMF)|talk]]) 16:35, 12 May 2026 (UTC) :I also believe Z33068 should be added to the list. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 17:25, 12 May 2026 (UTC) {{done}} see [[Special:Diff/7692]]. Cheers, [[User:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[User talk:VIGNERON|talk]]) 09:08, 20 May 2026 (UTC) == Abstract Wikipedia statistics site source code == https://abstract-data.toolforge.org/ is a very useful tool, but it doesn't seem to have anything pointing to the location of its source code. Is it closed-source or unfree? While I'm at it I feel I should suggest having language pages' paths formatted differently from how they are currently—at the moment it's <code>/languages/Toki%20Pona</code> when something like <code>/languages/tok</code> would be more suitable. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; : See [[:gitlab:toolforge-repos/abstract-data]]. Also pinging {{ping|DSantamaria-WMF|p=}} (thanks for the tool, by the way). [[User:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|<span class="skin-invert" style="color:black;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:110%;font-weight:normal;line-height:normal">NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh</span>]] 00:25, 13 May 2026 (UTC) ::Thank you. I think a link to that repository should be put in a footer somewhere on the website as I wouldn't have found that if not for you. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 02:30, 13 May 2026 (UTC) :::{{ping|Theki}} For the record, I found that repo by searching for "abstract-data" on [[:toolhub:|Toolhub]]. [[User:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|<span class="skin-invert" style="color:black;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:110%;font-weight:normal;line-height:normal">NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh</span>]] 03:34, 13 May 2026 (UTC) :::Thanks for the feedback and the report, fixed both things, we have now the link to the repo in the side bar footer, and also the language codes are used in the URLs. Thanks! [[User:DSantamaria-WMF|DSantamaria-WMF]] ([[User talk:DSantamaria-WMF|talk]]) 11:46, 13 May 2026 (UTC) ::::Are you particularly attached to keeping country flag emojis next to the language names? Some consider it an [https://flagsarenotlanguages.com/blog anti-pattern]. [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 16:17, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::I think the use of flags is not really harmful since this is not a ''language selector'', it is just a list of languages. Of course not every language has an associated flag, for example Latin, which does look a bit awkward, but it can't be helped. Maybe give languages without a flag a unique icon from Wikimedia Commons? e.g. <div style="display:inline-flex;align-items:center;border:1px solid #0002;border-radius:4px;gap:4px;padding:4px;">[[File:Toki pona.svg|16px]] Toki Pona</div> instead of <div style="display:inline-flex;align-items:center;border:1px solid #0002;border-radius:4px;gap:4px;padding:4px;"><span>🌐</span>Toki Pona</div>. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 16:37, 14 May 2026 (UTC) ::::::I thought I saw 🏛️ being used for Latin earlier. But of course, as far as the Unicode Consortium is concerned, [[Q65300415|🇬🇧]] doesn't mean '[[Q1680|English]]', no more than [[Q100587670|🏳️‍🌈]] means '[[Q1359130|Polari]]'; technically, it doesn't even mean '[[Q145|United Kingdom]]', just the letters 🇺 and 🇰 next to each other (which linguistically would indicate [[Q8798|Ukrainian]] in ISO 639, but these are 'regional indicator symbols'). [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 17:21, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::As seems (from this comment and also [[f:User_talk:DSantamaria-WMF#c-%E9%AD%94%E7%90%B4-20260513063700-Country_flags_in_abstract-data|others' comments]]) that flags are a little bit controversial, I just removed them, IMHO it was just an aesthetic concept, I like the look and feel that flags bring to the language labels, but happy to remove them if make some people feel uncomfortable with the concept. [[User:DSantamaria-WMF|DSantamaria-WMF]] ([[User talk:DSantamaria-WMF|talk]]) 05:54, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Make it more user Friendly == Make it more user-friendly by adding drag-and-drop compenots and one click additions, and make it similar to a visual macro buidler. [[User:ChippyTechGH|ChippyTechGH]] ([[User talk:ChippyTechGH|talk]]) 01:00, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :Could you file something like this on [[phab:|phabricator]]? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 01:01, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Person infoboxes == Hi all, I've just created [[f:Z35167|infobox for person (Z35167)]]. All it can really do presently is display the name of the person in the chosen language and in the person's native language, but it's a good start. I started writing it as a composition but chose to switch to writing it in JavaScript instead, which ended up being less headache-inducing (managing a large list of strings to concatenate together is not fun, plus compositions bring lots of additional overhead). Unfortunately, this means that the actual ''useful'' parts of the infobox—the information about the person themself—is not really doable. I'd need to dereference the Wikidata property references to get their label in the requested language, but since they're references and I'm working with code, not compositions, I can't just call [[f:Z6822|fetch Wikidata property (Z6822)]] and be done with it. If there's a WikiLambda API to do this inside of the JS itself that would be great and would solve everything, but at the moment that alone is what's holding it back, or so it seems. I can get the actual ''values'' of statements just fine, though. If I am missing some amazing WikiLambda API function that will solve this problem for me by letting me dereference the PID, then please let me know because that would be great. If you want to look at an example of the infobox right meow, you can view [https://abstract.wikipedia.org/view/tok/Q317521 Q317521 in Toki Pona] and see how it states Musk's name in both Toki Pona ''and'' his native English name. COOL! My hope is that this can be made less barebones in the near future. Infoboxes are a great way to get quick information on a subject and can fill in the informational gaps in the presently sparse articles we have at the moment, all while staying in the user's requested language. Feedback is appreciated! &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 02:58, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :Thank you for this! I wonder if perhaps it would be better to create one "infobox" function and then have compositions call that, making wd retrival possible? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 03:38, 15 May 2026 (UTC) ::Working on that at the moment, I think I've got it working but I'm hitting a ratelimit in the orchestrator so I don't know for sure. The main issue with it now is that the actual [[f:Z35175|infobox template (Z35175)]] wrapper was programmed in JS so as to not be a pain in the ass, so this means that it can only take in strings, HTML fragments, etc. so the retrieval of Wikidata stuff still needs to be done by the caller and is rather verbose (see [[f:Z35168|the main implementation]]). The niceties will come soon later once I know that it all works at a lower level, though. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 05:04, 15 May 2026 (UTC) ::So the problem now seems to be that when [[f:Z29825|label of Wikidata property in language (Z29825)]] isn't being faulty, it's being incredibly slow. Considering retrieving Wikidata items from their references seems to take, like, four to five seconds, and we'll have tens of statements in these infoboxes, I don't see how the property names could be retrieved in a way that doesn't cause the orchestrator to time out or hit a ratelimit. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 06:01, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :::I think I figured something out? I'm just going to try calling [[f:Z35036|fetch Wikidata property or parts (Z35036)]], it seems to be much faster for whatever reason. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 06:05, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :::It works now, a little rough around the edges, also very slow, but I think I'm mostly happy with it. Of course it would be great if all you needed to provide to the template function to get a label-statement row was the property reference itself, but I'm too sleep-deprived to figure that out at the moment. I made five bespoke functions specifically for this infobox, more than I would like, but it's probably not ''that'' bad. I'm just hoping I didn't duplicate any functionality in trying to make the composition less verbose and repetitive. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 07:15, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Wikifunctions & Abstract Wikipedia Newsletter #248 is out: A higher meaning == There is [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-05-15|a new update]] for Abstract Wikipedia and Wikifunctions. Please, come and read it! In this issue, we discuss functions creating language fragments, we present our latest news in Types, and we take a look at the latest software developments. Want to catch up with the previous updates? Check [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates|our archive]]! Enjoy the reading! -- [[User:Sannita (WMF)|User:Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 14:36, 15 May 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Sannita (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Wikifunctions_%26_Abstract_Wikipedia&oldid=30536976 --> == Translations == Yes, this question is probably easily answerable through a Web search, but I thought I'd ask here anyways. I am unfortunately not bilingual... I know Toki Pona, but it's a constructed language. I'd love to be a polyglot of some sorts but that is a future thing. I've been trying to translate pages into tok, for funsies mostly. At any rate, I want to convert some of the un-translated pages, namely Feeglgeef's policy drafts, into ones that can be translated (and then translate them into Toki Pona of course). I think I have to be a translation administrator for this? Which is a process that I'd have to ''apply'' for, and I doubt I have the credentials to be accepted for such a role. Regardless, is there a way I can go about this without having to do it through someone else? I can probably easily find documentation on marking pages for translation but I don't know how much I'm actually capable of doing as just a regular user. Should I apply? &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 14:15, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :Most of the process of preparing a page for translation can be done by any editor. See [[:mw:Help:Extension:Translate/Page translation example]]. :The step of marking a page or translation for the first time or after changes must be done by a translation administrator. :I recommend learning the <nowiki><translate> and <tvar></nowiki> syntax and using it on a few pages before applying for this permission. After you do it on a few pages, and you feel confident, and you want to do it more, you can ask for the permission. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 14:28, 20 May 2026 (UTC) ::Just to confirm, did I mark up [[Special:Diff/8138|this page]] for translation properly? I thought to give the hatnote its own <code>&lt;translate&gt;</code> enclosure so as to exclude the indent and italicization from needing to be included in the translatable text. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 15:10, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :::Mostly properly, but don't exclude <code><nowiki>''</nowiki></code> for italics from translation. It's generally a good idea to exclude complex markup from translation because it's hard for many people to type, and it usually stays the same in translation anyway. <code><nowiki>''</nowiki></code> for italics is different, however: it's very simple to type and familiar to most editors; italic letters are used differently in different languages, and in some languages they aren't used at all, so translators need the freedom to use them appropriately; this markup can also appear in the middle of a translation unit and not only in the ends. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 15:35, 20 May 2026 (UTC) ::::Thank you for the guidance. Should the italics be included if they are used over the entire hatnote? I figure that placement of italics should be left up to the discretion of the translators, but the hatnote itself is meant to be entirely italicized, I would think irrespective of the language it's in. Is this the right idea or should they still be kept within the translation unit? &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 15:45, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :::::Yes, italics should be included in the translation unit if they are used over the entire hatnote. Some languages don't use italic writing at all, so it shouldn't be forced. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 18:36, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :I'd support a translation administrator request ;), for reasons below. I'm not sure why we need a seperate translation administrator right, or why we have to call it an "administrator" (deciding that a page could be translated is a much less important role than, say, page deletion, or blocking). We picked three of them (well, one of them went through the WMF, so we picked two), [https://abstract.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Log?type=pagetranslation&user=&page=&excludetempacct=1&wpdate=&tagfilter=&wpfilters%5B%5D=newusers&wpFormIdentifier=logeventslist they don't appear very active, though], only marking 9 times this month, zero (0) of which were for pages marked for the first time. Both community translation admins used their global history and rights to get the role and only stop by occasionally, so having one who ''actually'' edits here would be nice. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 15:06, 20 May 2026 (UTC) ::This reply echos my philosophy of a sort of wiki-[[Q166005|xenophobia]] (the term xenophobia is probably too harsh, and I wouldn't consider myself one in real life, but it's the best word I can think of), I generally distrust users with a lot of global rights (both global sysop etc. and large amounts of local rights) who come make [[m:Metapedianism|metapedian]] contributions, not as people but to their ability to handle Wikifunctions and Abstract Wikipedia as incredibly unique and technically complex projects. I apologize if it my opinions come off as rude or ungrateful, I do appreciate the work of our translation administrators. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 15:26, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :::You don't bother me, it's fine. I think they definitely have a place, they can be useful and they usually are. Obviously local admins and what have you that earned their roles through the trust and reputation of the specific community they are in are going to occupy a more trusting position in my mind than a global sysop or global ''anything''. Specialized role members are good and healthy in the long term; I think we are giving these privileges to global users sparingly as the project is still in its infancy and as core contributors emerge and take up key positions we will have a more well-rounded and self-sustaining community with less global privileges needed to take up certain tasks. Wikifunctions probably needed some Foundation members or other staff to act as functioneers initially while the general community was still orienting themselves with WikiLambda and working on applying for the role, but now we have [[f:Special:ListUsers/functioneer|74(!) of them]] and the number of normal members using their specialized skills outnumbers those who were "grandfathered" in (for lack of a better term) or similar. The wiki is young—it just needs time. I myself have been considering applying for sysop privileges since they are obviously needed (there being exactly Zero of them at the moment); I've been weighing the pros and cons of such a commitment, it's obviously a lot to take up. I wish your sysop request went through, I think you would have made a great admin here. I'm unsure of what others think of my capabilities, I'm rather in-and-out around these social spaces so I don't know if there's much to go off of. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 15:55, 20 May 2026 (UTC) ::::Totally agree, and I'd support a sysopship request as well, though I'm apparently not good at assessing what the community considers supportable in admin candidate ;). ::::Off-topic, but interestingly, the sysop toolset allows you to grant yourself translation adminship. I'm not sure if sysops are expected not to grant themselves the permissions (kind of like how on enwiki 'crats are expected not grant themselves any rights without discussion despite having the technical rights), but I did it to myself on WF because [https://www.wikifunctions.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&logid=84940 another sysop had]. Additionally, the functioneer right [[Special:ListGroupRights#functioneer|exists on this wiki]], with the same rights on WF, despite all of them not doing anything on this wiki. I believe this is because, on the technical side, both AW and WF are powered by the same MediaWiki extension (Wikilambda), with one wiki set to a mode for abstract articles and another set to a mode for ZObjects. [https://dag.wikipedia.org/wiki/Di%C5%8B%27gahim:ListGroupRights#functioneer Checking the Dagbani Wikipedia] supports this theory. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 18:00, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :::::It always depends on the local policy. For Wikifunctions it is: ''Administrators do not need to undergo another discussion to become translation administrators; they can self-grant the rights to their account if necessary. Temporary administrators are not allowed to self-grant permanent translation administrator rights.'' :::::The availability of the functioneer right is a bug, see [[phab:T407066]]. --[[User:Ameisenigel|Ameisenigel]] ([[User talk:Ameisenigel|talk]]) 19:36, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :::If you don't consider yourself a xenophobe in real life, I would recommend not calling yourself that here, or anywhere really. Especially since it was the ideological capture during the 2010s of the Croatian-language Wikipedia [[w:hr:]] by actual xenophobes that was part of the impetus for Abstract Wikipedia according to [https://simia.net/wiki/Draft:_Collaborating_on_the_sum_of_all_knowledge_across_languages#A_look_on_some_south_Slavic_language_Wikipedias Denny's blog]. [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 22:10, 26 May 2026 (UTC) == Policy drafts == Hi all! I've written some draft policies and guidelines over the last few days. We're not a bureaucracy, so the point is not to set some rules but to kick off some discussions as to how our wiki will work. So far, I've created: * [[Abstract Wikipedia:Notability|a notability guideline]] * [[Abstract Wikipedia:Deletion policy|a deletion policy]] I've written them as my opinion on what should happen, but I'm hoping to align them with community consensus as we discuss them more. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 13:44, 21 May 2026 (UTC) == Wikifunctions & Abstract Wikipedia Newsletter #249 is out: Annual plan 2026-2027 == There is [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-05-23|a new update]] for Abstract Wikipedia and Wikifunctions. Please, come and read it! In this issue, we present you the current draft of objectives for Wikifunctions and Abstract Wikipedia in the WMF Annual Plan 2026-2027, and we take a look at the latest software developments. Want to catch up with the previous updates? Check [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates|our archive]]! Enjoy the reading! -- [[User:Sannita (WMF)|User:Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 09:48, 25 May 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Sannita (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Wikifunctions_%26_Abstract_Wikipedia&oldid=30536976 --> == To abstract Wikipedia or be the Abstract Wikipedia == There is a discussion happening about what the [[Abstract Wikipedia:Notability|notability criteria]] for Abstract Wikipedia should be, and in trying to participate I've found my idea of Abstract Wikipedia is awfully abstract. Is Abstract Wikipedia supposed to abstract Wikipedia, as in abstracting information from existing articles on the language Wikipedias (barring new contributions), or is it supposed to become the Abstract Wikipedia, supporting collaboration across all languages like it's the language Wikipedia to end all language Wikipedias (allowing new contributions)? I thought the answer would be obvious, but the name Abstract Wikipedia is a bit ambiguous. Am I missing something? [[User:Some helpful person|Some helpful person]] ([[User talk:Some helpful person|talk]]) 02:16, 27 May 2026 (UTC) :I think ({{ping|DVrandecic (WMF)|p=?}}) the idea is (and I personally prefer) the latter. I believe that, given the fact that it's much easier to write a concrete article than an abstract article, and the fact that the community of potential future contributors on enwiki is skeptical ''at best'', we ultimately will never expand beyond the size of other wikis, but I see no problem with allowing volunteers to add information not on other wikis (it's probably not the most effective, but they're volunteers, beggars can't be choosers), as long as it's not vandalism, useless, or promotional slop. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 02:31, 27 May 2026 (UTC) :@[[User:Some helpful person|Some helpful person]] Abstract Wikipedia is a Wikipedia, where people can collaborate across languages on articles, which can then be used to fill gaps in the existing Wikipedias. Whereas I expect that current Wikipedia articles might be used as a convenient starting point for many of the articles in Abstract Wikipedia, this is more a consequence of Wikipedia being one of the best places to go to to find reliable knowledge, but that is not part of how it is supposed to work. So, this is not to abstract the existing Wikipedias, but to collaborate on an Abstract Wikipedia. At no point is this meant to replace existing Wikipedias. (Thanks to @[[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] for the ping!) --[[User:DVrandecic (WMF)|DVrandecic (WMF)]] ([[User talk:DVrandecic (WMF)|talk]]) 17:01, 27 May 2026 (UTC) ::Thank you, this makes a lot more sense now. [[User:Some helpful person|Some helpful person]] ([[User talk:Some helpful person|talk]]) 21:52, 27 May 2026 (UTC) == template suggestion == Some way to mock abstract syntax on talk and project pages, analogous to those in [[d:category:format Template]]. [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 15:21, 27 May 2026 (UTC) :Hmm. I agree. :Workshopping ideas for how it works: :* Invokation: <nowiki>{{Call|Z26039|{"Z1K1": "Z18", "Z18K1": "Z825K1"}|{"Z1K1": "Z6091", "Z6091K1": "Q634"}|{"Z1K1": "Z18", "Z18K1": "Z825K1"}|lang=en}}</nowiki> :** This could then be suplemented by helper templates: <nowiki>{{Call|Z26039|{{Wikidata item argument reference}}|{{Wikidata item reference|Q634}}|{{Language argument reference}}}}</nowiki> :* This would result in "[[f:Z26039|subject is instance of (string)]] (wikidata item reference, [[d:Q634|planet]], language)" :** Icons are missing in this example, I'm not sure if we can actually add them :Thoughts? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 16:04, 27 May 2026 (UTC) == Marking NLG Default text == Some NLG functions give default texts, like [[f:Z33420|Z33420]] will give text like "Paris ∈ {city}". sometimes in other languages the English text is show. Currently there is no visual clue that these texts are not normal text in the requested language. I propose we mark these text with color <span style="color:magenta;">Paris ∈ {city}</span> with something like <nowiki><span style="color:magenta;">Paris ∈ {city}</span></nowiki>. To have this configurable/maintainable this could be included in a function, called NLG default text or so, with a text as input an a text in color as output. The exact formatting like magenta color or gray background or something else can be discussed/decided later. To have it even more configurable on personal stylesheets it could use a class like <nowiki><span class="NLG Default text">Paris ∈ {city}</span></nowiki>. What do you think? Could somebody make such a function already? [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 12:00, 29 May 2026 (UTC) :The are technically just monolingual texts in a language called "multiple languages". I threw a prototype together really quickly, [[f:Z35839]]. It will accept strings, monolingual texts, and html fragments as input, so you have to select which type you want. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 14:59, 29 May 2026 (UTC) ::OK, thanks, I added it to [[f:Z26039]] and works as expected, see [https://www.wikifunctions.org/wiki/Z26039?call=%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z7%22%2C%22Z7K1%22%3A%22Z26039%22%2C%22Z26039K1%22%3A%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z6091%22%2C%22Z6091K1%22%3A%22Q64%22%7D%2C%22Z26039K2%22%3A%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z6091%22%2C%22Z6091K1%22%3A%22Q515%22%7D%2C%22Z26039K3%22%3A%22Z1555%22%7D here]. The test for the function with default text now fails because it now is in magenta color. That was to be expected. I will leave the tests unchanged if that is OK with you, as we might need to change the exact formatting. ::Is it OK to add this to other NLG functions that produce default output? [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 15:59, 29 May 2026 (UTC) :::Sure, [[w:en:WP:Be bold|be bold]]! [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 20:50, 29 May 2026 (UTC) ::::Feeglgeef, I am struggling with the output. Can you have a look? [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 17:02, 30 May 2026 (UTC) :::::Can you link me to where? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 17:08, 30 May 2026 (UTC) ::::::{{Q|90}} in a language vls should give a magenta text. Instead it gives "Wikifunctions returned a failed response: Unspecified error". [[f:Z33422]] results "<span style="color: magenta;">Parys ∈ {stad}</span>" (as a string). [[f:Z26039]] also gives "<span style="color: magenta;">Parys ∈ {stad}</span>", but it's test [[f:Z33726]] gives an HTML equivalent, not a string. [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 17:59, 30 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::You shouldn't be returning HTML in string-typed functions. I'm not sure, then, how we implement your proposal, actually. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 18:54, 30 May 2026 (UTC) ::::::::I tried with [[f:Z35921]] but now the output is the literal text, and not HTML. Does anybody have an idea how to implement the text in a color? ::::::::Alternatively we could use texts like // Parys ∈ {stad} //. [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 16:51, 31 May 2026 (UTC) ::::::::: You need to output [[f:Z89|HTML fragment]], not String. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 17:16, 31 May 2026 (UTC) :I agree with the above that this should not be applied to functions which return strings or monolingual text. If anything, it might work to insert it into functions returning HTML. The most egregious problems I've seen are when I tried to render into an RTL language (e.g. Hebrew 0 try on [[Q408]]), and it spilled all the formatting all over the article. I will revert the change to the string default at [[:f:Z33421]], but suggest it is tested carefully if implemented elsewhere. In general I prefer just marking with spans rather than colours at this stage. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 04:49, 3 June 2026 (UTC) :: Perhaps mark with spans given a specific ID and then allow users to use a userscript/gadget to paint them magenta? That seems like the most considerate approach. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 05:12, 3 June 2026 (UTC) :::[[:f:Z32234]] suggests something like <code>span lang="mul"</code> or similar. [[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 05:20, 3 June 2026 (UTC) ::::I will (carefully) try some other alternatives, and use a personal class in my userscript for <nowiki><span class="NLG Default text"></nowiki>. [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 14:05, 4 June 2026 (UTC) ::::: If possible, can you use <nowiki><span lang="mul"></nowiki>? This would allow it to also catch some instances automatically. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 16:14, 4 June 2026 (UTC) ::::::I have done so, but how can I set my personal stylesheet to show color magenta with <span lang="mul">? [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 22:20, 4 June 2026 (UTC) == Ratification of the deletion policy proposal? == I haven't seen any unresolved objections to my proposal for a [[Abstract Wikipedia:Deletion policy|policy for deletion]]. Does anybody have any issues, and, if not, is it ok to ratify as an actual policy? I intend to remove the draft template and replace it with a policy template unless anyone voices any objection within a week. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 20:55, 29 May 2026 (UTC) :Is it just me or does [[Abstract Wikipedia:Deletion policy#Reasons for deletion]] render blank with only number bullets without the actual text after ''1.'' or ''2.''? [[User:Bunnypranav|Bunnypranav]] ([[User talk:Bunnypranav|talk]]) 07:13, 30 May 2026 (UTC) ::I see text. ―[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''<span style="color:black">v</span>f</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 07:49, 30 May 2026 (UTC) :::I can see on my phone, but it goes blank on my laptop. What is the role of ''<nowiki><span class="anchor" id="1"></nowiki>''? [[User:Bunnypranav|Bunnypranav]] ([[User talk:Bunnypranav|talk]]) 12:15, 30 May 2026 (UTC) ::::{{ping|Bunnypranav}} I can see the text everywhere (I tested connected and not connected, on my phone, laptop, with Chrome or Firefox ; what system do you use?). As the name suggest, the span anchor is here to create an HTML anchor, so you can do link like [[Abstract_Wikipedia:Deletion_policy#7]]. Cheers, [[User:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[User talk:VIGNERON|talk]]) 13:49, 30 May 2026 (UTC) :::::I'm on Brave browser. Nevertheless, forget it. The culprit might be some random customization I did to my system which I cannot recollect. The reason is the span tag only though, tried a preview kicking out a text to just outside the tag and it worked. [[User:Bunnypranav|Bunnypranav]] ([[User talk:Bunnypranav|talk]]) 14:23, 30 May 2026 (UTC) :Globally, it looks fine. I think that reasons 7 and 8 may need some examples/clarifications. There is no global consensus when it comes to creating categories. For example, categories for building interiors and exteriors. Personally, I feel that they are useful for easier discoverability. [[User:Jsamwrites|John Samuel]] ([[User:Jsamwrites|talk]]) 15:39, 30 May 2026 (UTC) ::I've copied them over from enwiki. They're probably included in "content otherwise not suited for an encyclopedia." Since sysops can't speedy them, it'd be up to commenters on [[Abstract:RFD]] to determine. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 16:48, 30 May 2026 (UTC) == Wikifunctions & Abstract Wikipedia Newsletter #250 is out: Looking back and forward == There is [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-05-30|a new update]] for Abstract Wikipedia and Wikifunctions. Please, come and read it! In this issue, we present you a recollection of our work so far, now that we celebrate our 250th newsletter, we share with you a summary of our latest outreach activities, and we take a look at the latest software developments. Want to catch up with the previous updates? Check [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates|our archive]]! Enjoy the reading! -- [[User:Sannita (WMF)|User:Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 10:04, 1 June 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Sannita (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Wikifunctions_%26_Abstract_Wikipedia&oldid=30606821 --> 339v5y0ons9bvz4b9zllujscifc6etd 9606 9603 2026-06-04T23:48:56Z Feeglgeef 36 /* Marking NLG Default text */ reply to HenkvD ([[mw:c:Special:MyLanguage/User:JWBTH/CD|CD]]) 9606 wikitext text/x-wiki {{#ifexist:Abstract Wikipedia:Project chat/Header/{{USERLANGUAGE}}|{{/Header/{{USERLANGUAGE}}}}|{{/Header}}}} {{/Archives}} <!-- Add your discussion below this line --> == Why don't we just structure this with wikitemplates? == I feel like the project could be done a lot better by using templates kind of like how wikipedia does them. Just the entire thing is templates that can be rendered in many languages. So like [[Q106289265]] would have the content <nowiki>{{Z26039|Q7257}}</nowiki> and could even have some aliasing done across languages so it could be <nowiki>{{subject is|Q7257}}</nowiki>. Code would be editable with a regular visual editor or code editor. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 04:34, 29 March 2026 (UTC) :This is available in pages when Parsoid rendering is enabled. We don't use this becuase it doesn't make sense for constructing and editing massive articles. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 21:37, 29 March 2026 (UTC) ::How do you do parsoid rendering? And why wouldn't it make sense? With aliases and everything could work great. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 23:12, 29 March 2026 (UTC) :::I believe it is enabled by default. If you do have it on: {{#function:Z10000|you'll s|ee this}} [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 14:54, 30 March 2026 (UTC) :you may be interested in reading this old [[m:Abstract_Wikipedia/Google.org_Fellows_evaluation|Google report]]. [[User:BrokenSegue|BrokenSegue]] ([[User talk:BrokenSegue|talk]]) 14:32, 9 May 2026 (UTC) == Why the editing API doesn't work == {{tracked|T423542}} Immanuelle wrongly stated that there is no REST API for editing. [[#REST API for editing?|There is]]. However, it does not work when called from software outside Abstract Wikipedia. That is because there is no way to grant a bot password or OAuth customer the permission to edit abstract articles (<code>wikilambda-abstract-edit</code>) and create them (<code>wikilambda-abstract-create</code>), since no grant on [[Special:ListGrants]] includes either. Should this be fixed? [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 01:57, 26 April 2026 (UTC) :Yes I think the rights should be added. I think the number of automated edits should be low at the moment as Abstract Wikipedia is still in an early phase and so far there is not much support for small languages and so many functions will maybe change to cover more languages. As automatic editing using a Bot Account requires an formal request it is no problem if the option exists. [[User:Hogü-456|Hogü-456]] ([[User talk:Hogü-456|talk]]) 18:17, 26 April 2026 (UTC) :Sounds good to me. Could we add a bot section to [[Abstract Wikipedia:Requests for permissions]]? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 23:35, 5 May 2026 (UTC) ::[[Abstract_Wikipedia:Requests_for_permissions#Bot]] ―[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''<span style="color:black">v</span>f</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 23:56, 5 May 2026 (UTC) :not currently possible :((((( [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 14:46, 30 April 2026 (UTC) :Feeglgeef is correct, past tense sentence generation is something we are sorely lacking at the moment. If you look at [[f:WF:Type proposals#Representing abstract content|Wikifunctions' type proposals]] you can see some initiatives that could hopefully mitigate this. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 13:49, 1 May 2026 (UTC) == Spaces between sentences, another attempt == [[Abstract Wikipedia:Project chat#Extra spaces between sentences|A month ago]], @[[User:内存溢出的猫|内存溢出的猫]]<ref group="spaces3>According to Google Translate, it's pronounced "Nèicún yìchū de māo". Please correct me if it's wrong. When I write, I want to know how are things that I write pronounced aloud, and very unfortunately, I never learned to read Chinese characters, and even if I did, most English speakers probably didn't. Come to think of it, is there a function that ''reliably'' transliterates Chinese characters?</ref> That discussion doesn't seem to have yielded any fixes or meaningful discussions, at least not that I can see. [[Abstract Wikipedia:Project chat#Spaces between sentences|Two weeks ago]], I tried to bring up a similar topic, but that discussion somehow got derailed and also didn't yield anything useful. Now, the problem looks differently, but it's still a problem. When I look at [[Q10251]], for example, what I see is four sentences that ''appear'' with ''no'' spaces between them. Not one, not two—none at all. It looks like this: :Plasma is a fundamental state of matter.Plasma is a classical state of matter.A plasma is a gas.A plasma is a matter. Note that I emphasized ''appear'': When I see them rendered on the screen, they have no spaces between them. In the HTML, however, they are represented as four <code><nowiki><div></nowiki></code>s, and their inline positioning is handled by CSS. This means, for example, that if I copy and paste them, I don't get a long string with no spaces after full stops, but four sentences with a single line break after each full stop: <poem> Plasma is a fundamental state of matter. Plasma is a classical state of matter. A plasma is a gas. A plasma is a matter. </poem> This is not how it is supposed to be done. <code><nowiki><div></nowiki></code>s are supposed to be used for block elements and not hacked into appearing as if they are inline (also known as phrasing). Spaces between sentences are supposed to be real characters rather than HTML and CSS tricks, they may be different in different languages, and in some languages they may be nothing at all. I hope that the definition of the problem is clear. <references group="spaces3"></references> [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 12:49, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :Hi, have a look at it [[Special:PermanentLink/7132|now]]. Does this match your expectations? I think it's not rendering right now for whatever reason, but there are other examples of it being done this way that you can see: [[Q241691]]. The article renders properly in both English (spaces between sentences) and Japanese (no spaces at all). : :'''English:''' :<blockquote>Programmed Data Processor is a computer model series by Digital Equipment Corporation. PDP-8 is a Programmed Data Processor.</blockquote> :'''Japanese:''' :<blockquote>PDPシリーズはディジタル・イクイップメント・コーポレーションによるコンピュータ・モデル・シリーズである。PDP-8はPDPシリーズである。</blockquote> : :I have some, err, strong opinions about [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]]'s 「Abstract Wikipedia Editor」 tool, which is the predominant cause for all of these very janky and poorly-laid-out articles that you see. This is not how an article ought to be written on Abstract Wikipedia, and I and other editors are aware of this. If you see these problems, please do fix them! The wiki will be all the better for it. : :In the absence of consensus on such things as these (and awaiting any official policy pages) I have written [[f:User:Theki/best practices]] on my Wikifunctions userpage. You are welcome to read it if you wish. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 17:20, 2 May 2026 (UTC) ::The output of [[Q241691]] looks OK to me in this regard. How was it done? ::[[Q10251]] gives me an error. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 18:10, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :::WikiLambda is doing WikiLambda things. This WASI time limit error happens intermittently on Abstract Wikipedia articles and it usually goes away after a short while. The only thing is that it doesn't really seem like purging these articles does anything to force the orchestrator to retry its evaluation so the article might not render that paragraph until someone comes in and pokes at it by editing it somehow. ::: :::The working article uses the [[f:Z33068|''paragraph from sentences'']] function to lay out its individual sentence content. This function automatically handles converting any and all text-like objects (strings, HTML fragments, and monolingual text) to a consistent form, so sentence fragments can all be supplied verbatim to its list input. When the function is putting the sentences together it defaults to using a single space to separate them, but first checks if the requested language is in the [[f:Z33984|''languages without spaces between sentences'']] list. If it is, it doesn't add spaces at all, and just concatenates the sentences normally. I hope this explanation makes sense. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 18:19, 2 May 2026 (UTC) ::::It makes some sense, but earlier, you suggested: "If you see these problems, please do fix them", and I'm not entirely sure how to do it. How would I fix it in [[Q100]], for example? [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 19:41, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :::::In this case you would do the following: :::::# At the bottom, click the plus and then 「Add empty fragment」. :::::# Set the function to [[f:Z33068]], as mentioned earlier. :::::# Now go through each sentence fragment, find the innermost sentence-generation function, click on the three dots, and copy it. Do not copy the calls to [[f:Z29749]] or similar, these are not necessary. :::::# Go to the ''paragraph with sentences'' function call and add an element to the list. :::::# Click on the three dots next to the new element, and paste in the earlier sentence fragment. :::::# You can now delete the original fragment and repeat the process in the same list for the one after it. :::::&mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 19:46, 2 May 2026 (UTC) ::@[[User:Theki|Theki]] I intend on fixing it, I recently made an attempt but the suggested fixes made problems worse. Do you have any practical suggestions of how to structure the templates? I will try to implement them when I have more time. ::Also your name is very confusing, are you in the process of getting it changed wiki-wide? [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 22:36, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :::Um, are you referring to my signature not matching my wiki username? I have considered for a long time changing it from ''theki'', but I don't feel like putting in the effort when it seems to be perfectly ignorable for most people. The user 「''Rae''」 can't be usurped because they made, like, two or three articles on the Persian Wikipedia two decades ago or something, I don't know. If that weren't the case I would be User:Rae right now but after that failed to go through I just decided to stop bothering. Maybe at some point I'll come up with a username I'm happy with keeping for the foreseeable future but I have other concerns at the moment. :::Could you explain how your attempted fixes 「made problems worse」? Presently I side with Feeglgeef's sentiments and prefer to wait for abstract content to actually be feasible to make on a reasonably descriptive scale (see: the type proposals) before I go around making articles willy-nilly, which is what AWE has been doing—making a bunch of pretty low-quality articles on a massive scale when it probably ''really'' would have been better to, err, hold off on that. :::And I honestly know very little about the actual workings of your editor, I don't really use it nor am I familiar with its template syntax or whatever it may use, so I'm going to look over how it actually works and then get back to you on that. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 23:28, 2 May 2026 (UTC) ::::Using this [[f:Z33068]] made things worse [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 00:44, 3 May 2026 (UTC) :::::That did not go through correctly but I do not think we have a proper thing for it. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 00:45, 3 May 2026 (UTC) ::::::What? Could you elaborate? &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 01:00, 3 May 2026 (UTC) ::::::{{ping|Immanuelle}} I checked. Your issue is that your editor is not providing the article language to Z33068K2; that is, the ''paragraph from sentences'' function has a second argument, and your editor was omitting it. If you properly specify it, it will work. Please, next time, actually tell me what went wrong instead of going quiet and forcing me to look after it myself. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 17:06, 4 May 2026 (UTC) :I avoid [[f:Z33068]] for now, because executing a whole paragraph in a single call would often time out. So my current alternative is inserting [[f:Z35672]] between sentences. Fairly clunky, but it works... --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 06:08, 28 May 2026 (UTC) ::Can you categorize the talk pages of articles you're doing that with? It has major accessibility concerns for our friends using screen readers, so it'd be nice to be able to find those with issues when were able to fix the calls [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 21:50, 28 May 2026 (UTC) :::I think the new tool can show us this (via dumps). For example, here are the uses of 'paragraph': https://abstract-data.toolforge.org/zid/Z32123 --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 23:07, 28 May 2026 (UTC) ::::There's more than one way to not use spaces correctly and more than one way to use spaces correctly, this wouldn't catch all of them. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 23:13, 28 May 2026 (UTC) :::::I'm not totally sure what you want to track, but I'm confident that this will find all my uses. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 02:10, 29 May 2026 (UTC) ::::I think it slipped past everyone's notice, but I made a template for linking to that sort of information @ [[Template:Zd|<nowiki>{{</nowiki>zd<nowiki>}}</nowiki>]]. {{zd|Z35672|sentence separator}} <span style="font-size:smaller;opacity:0.8">(I don't think the database dumps have noticed the function you're using yet, so it's a 404 at the moment.)</span> &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 01:09, 29 May 2026 (UTC) ===Easier solution?=== Maybe a much easier solution would be to replace the "." after each sentence with ". " (a full stop and a space). The paragraghs might add an extra space, but that is displayed as one by the browser. [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) ==Wiktionary integration== I was trying out a few functions recently, such as [https://www.wikifunctions.org/view/en/Z27243 the new superlative function], and I noticed that ''every adjective'' has to be a Wikidata item. For example, I couldn't type in the inputs "Bugatti Veyron", "fast", "Earth" because "fast" as an adjective is not a Wikidata item. This doesn't really make sense, given that Wiktionary already has the word for "fast" and its superlative form in many different languages. Would it be possible to integrate Wiktionary into the function, so the user can type an adjective or verb from Wiktionary instead of having to deal with Wikidata (which consists almost entirely of nouns)? [[User:Somepinkdude|Somepinkdude]] ([[User talk:Somepinkdude|talk]]) 16:49, 6 May 2026 (UTC) :No, sadly. I would try "speed" as the adjective, though, you have to use abstract qualities instead of concrete English terms. [[File:Wikifunctions Superlative speed example.png|thumb|Here's an example of the word being used.]] [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 18:02, 6 May 2026 (UTC) :Wikidata has standard items as well as lexeme data, so if anything, we should try to integrate those. E.g. [[:d:Lexeme:L1029]]. ―[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''<span style="color:black">v</span>f</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 19:48, 6 May 2026 (UTC) ::I tried this, and it gave "Bugatti Veyron is the speedest car on Earth", which is laughably bad. The problem is that Wikidata does not "know" what the superlative form is, while Wiktionary does. Speed is a fairly common descriptor, but what about less common adjectives which aren't on Wikidata? Will there need to be a bot to copy all of this information from Wiktionary? [[User:Somepinkdude|Somepinkdude]] ([[User talk:Somepinkdude|talk]]) 22:14, 6 May 2026 (UTC) :::I'm not suggesting that the functionality works <em>now</em>, but that we need to integrate the funcationality. ―[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''<span style="color:black">v</span>f</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 22:17, 6 May 2026 (UTC) :::Well, no, the superlative form is chosen by [[f:Z12203]]. I think there's a bug with the English implementation that calls that function wrong. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 22:19, 6 May 2026 (UTC) :@[[User:Somepinkdude|Somepinkdude]] I did find the item {{Q|Q19807466}} which was linked to a concept database's entry for "fast"; I have at least linked it to the English lexeme "fast" and will try to add more links at a better hour. [[User:Mahir256|Mahir256]] ([[User talk:Mahir256|talk]]) 04:18, 7 May 2026 (UTC) == Showcase == I was wondering if there's a curated list of decent articles to learn by example here on Abstract Wikipedia? [[User:Fgnievinski|Fgnievinski]] ([[User talk:Fgnievinski|talk]]) 02:02, 8 May 2026 (UTC) :Unfortunately not, and, honestly, I wouldn't recommend article creation at the moment, it's likely to need significant refactoring as the way we represent abstract content changes, but, I can point you to [[Q668]] as a reasonably good example at the moment. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 02:39, 8 May 2026 (UTC) ::Thank you. "308 languages" blew my mind – well done! [[User:Fgnievinski|Fgnievinski]] ([[User talk:Fgnievinski|talk]]) 02:54, 8 May 2026 (UTC) :::308 is the number of ''concrete'' Wikipedias in which a manually-written article about India is available. :::The abstract article renders for me in English as "India is a country in Asia. India is a republic. New Delhi is the capital of India. India is the most populous country in world." Switching to another language to get rendered as an abstract article is done by typing the language's name in the box above the rendered text. I tried French, German, and Dutch, and got errors in all of them. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 03:12, 8 May 2026 (UTC) ::::So it goes. The paragraph has quite a lot of distinct sentence generation functions, all of which of course have to be implemented in the target language. This will be rounded out once we're able to more effectively generalize linguistic content. I view these functions as sort of patchy temporary solutions to the sentence generation problem while we figure out something more robust, which I hope is soon to come. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 04:15, 8 May 2026 (UTC) == Wikifunctions & Abstract Wikipedia Newsletter #247 is out: References from Wikidata now available == There is [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-05-08|a new update]] for Abstract Wikipedia and Wikifunctions. Please, come and read it! In this issue, we announce that is now possible to pass references in Wikidata statements, we introduce the [https://abstract-data.toolforge.org/ Abstract Data dashboard], we report you on the presentation about Abstract Wikipedia at WikiCon Australia, and we take a look at the latest software developments. Want to catch up with the previous updates? Check [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates|our archive]]! Also, we remind you that if you have questions or ideas to discuss, the next '''Volunteers' Corner''' will be held on '''[https://zonestamp.toolforge.org/1778520600 May 11, at 17:30 UTC]''' ([https://meet.google.com/xuy-njxh-rkw link to the meeting]). Enjoy the reading! -- [[User:Sannita (WMF)|User:Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 11:16, 8 May 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Sannita (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Wikifunctions_%26_Abstract_Wikipedia&oldid=30325620 --> == about the usage of Z33068 == The use of [[f:Z33068]] (en: paragraph from sentences) <s>always</s> most of the time results in the error "Reached time limit in orchestrator." So should it be used at all for now, temporarily? Or maybe there are already some tickets about this that I am not aware of? -- [[User:Asked42|Asked42]] ([[User talk:Asked42|talk]]) 18:23, 10 May 2026 (UTC) :It previously worked, so I'm hoping whatever the issue is will be fixed soon. The current state of the wiki makes [[m:Immediatism|immediatism]] an illogical philosophy to have at the moment, in my opinion. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 20:16, 10 May 2026 (UTC) ::This issue seems to no longer exist, you might need to clear the cache by making a dummy edit on affected articles. I implemented the function in Python (instead of composition), which has increased the speed by about 2000 ms. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 04:31, 11 May 2026 (UTC) :::Seems like working. Thank you. -- [[User:Asked42|Asked42]] ([[User talk:Asked42|talk]]) 19:06, 11 May 2026 (UTC) == Manual of Style == I've created a [[Abstract Wikipedia:Manual of Style|draft for a Manual of Style]]. Please feel free to comment on or make bold edits to the page. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 03:29, 11 May 2026 (UTC) :Thank you! That’s great and I’ll look at it more soon. I’m still taking a bit of a wikibreak. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 22:32, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :Is there anything I've written [[f:User:Theki/best_practices#Abstract_Wikipedia|here]] that you think would make for a good technical section of the page? &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 00:04, 15 May 2026 (UTC) ::I've added some of them. Thank you for your list of best practices by the way, I generally agree with them (I can't endorse connecting WD items currently in hope of a better technical solution, but otherwise I do). [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 00:58, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Proposals on the architecture of Abstract Content rendering == Starting from a discussion born on the Wikifunctions Telegram chat, I've explained two different proposals on how the NLG on Abstract Wikipedia should be organized in the page [[User:Dv103/Abstract articles architectures]]. Please come to contribute to the discussion, or to propose alternatives. [[User:Dv103|Dv103]] ([[User talk:Dv103|talk]]) 14:32, 11 May 2026 (UTC) == [[MediaWiki:Wikimedia-copyright-footer]] == The copyright message has a few issues, mainly that it does not address abstract content (which is not "text"), nor object labels (which are under CC0). Proposed text: "<nowiki> Text and abstract content are available under the [https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/ Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License]; the labels of objects from [[f:|Wikifunctions]] are available under the [https://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/ Creative Commons CC0 License]; additional terms may apply. See [https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Policy:Terms_of_Use Terms of Use] for details. </nowiki>" Which, when rendered, looks like: Text and abstract content are available under the [https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/ Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License]; the labels of objects from [[f:|Wikifunctions]] are available under the [https://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/ Creative Commons CC0 License]; additional terms may apply. See [https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Policy:Terms_of_Use Terms of Use] for details. The message is somewhat inspired by the current one and WF's. Thoughts? Thank you! [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 13:30, 12 May 2026 (UTC) :@[[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]]: As you probably imagine, this text is very tightly controlled by the Wikimedia Foundation's Legal department. I think the first port of call should be a discussion about why you might want to change things, rather than a rush to specific re-wordings, before approaching them for sign-off. [[User:Jdforrester (WMF)|Jdforrester (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Jdforrester (WMF)|talk]]) 14:28, 12 May 2026 (UTC) ::Well I briefly summarized my justification, my proposed text was just an idea for a starting point. Basically, the abstract content is not really "text", so the footer doesn't actually tell the reader what they're allowed to do with it, and I argue that the current wording implies that the labels are licensed under CC-BY-SA 4, when they aren't. I think a change is critical as otherwise we're not showing the reader a license, or, arguably, in the case of labels, showing users a license that ''does not apply'', which is a pretty bad thing. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 14:51, 12 May 2026 (UTC) == [[MediaWiki:AbstractWikiSuggestedWikifunctions.json]] == I'd think we should add [[f:Z33068]] here. The function allows you to form a paragraph out of sentences and handles languages having different standards of whether to add a space between them, and adding it here would make finding it easier. I'm not sure what policy we want to have for the suggested functions, this idea might help formulate it. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 16:06, 12 May 2026 (UTC) :[[User:Jdforrester (WMF)]] tells me the page has been changed to [[Special:CommunityConfiguration/AbstractWikiSuggestedWikifunctions]] on the telegram. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 16:25, 12 May 2026 (UTC) ::@[[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]]: Yup, see the weekly update on [[f:Wikifunctions:Status_updates/2026-05-02|2026-05-02]]. [[User:Jdforrester (WMF)|Jdforrester (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Jdforrester (WMF)|talk]]) 16:35, 12 May 2026 (UTC) :I also believe Z33068 should be added to the list. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 17:25, 12 May 2026 (UTC) {{done}} see [[Special:Diff/7692]]. Cheers, [[User:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[User talk:VIGNERON|talk]]) 09:08, 20 May 2026 (UTC) == Abstract Wikipedia statistics site source code == https://abstract-data.toolforge.org/ is a very useful tool, but it doesn't seem to have anything pointing to the location of its source code. Is it closed-source or unfree? While I'm at it I feel I should suggest having language pages' paths formatted differently from how they are currently—at the moment it's <code>/languages/Toki%20Pona</code> when something like <code>/languages/tok</code> would be more suitable. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; : See [[:gitlab:toolforge-repos/abstract-data]]. Also pinging {{ping|DSantamaria-WMF|p=}} (thanks for the tool, by the way). [[User:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|<span class="skin-invert" style="color:black;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:110%;font-weight:normal;line-height:normal">NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh</span>]] 00:25, 13 May 2026 (UTC) ::Thank you. I think a link to that repository should be put in a footer somewhere on the website as I wouldn't have found that if not for you. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 02:30, 13 May 2026 (UTC) :::{{ping|Theki}} For the record, I found that repo by searching for "abstract-data" on [[:toolhub:|Toolhub]]. [[User:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|<span class="skin-invert" style="color:black;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:110%;font-weight:normal;line-height:normal">NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh</span>]] 03:34, 13 May 2026 (UTC) :::Thanks for the feedback and the report, fixed both things, we have now the link to the repo in the side bar footer, and also the language codes are used in the URLs. Thanks! [[User:DSantamaria-WMF|DSantamaria-WMF]] ([[User talk:DSantamaria-WMF|talk]]) 11:46, 13 May 2026 (UTC) ::::Are you particularly attached to keeping country flag emojis next to the language names? Some consider it an [https://flagsarenotlanguages.com/blog anti-pattern]. [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 16:17, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::I think the use of flags is not really harmful since this is not a ''language selector'', it is just a list of languages. Of course not every language has an associated flag, for example Latin, which does look a bit awkward, but it can't be helped. Maybe give languages without a flag a unique icon from Wikimedia Commons? e.g. <div style="display:inline-flex;align-items:center;border:1px solid #0002;border-radius:4px;gap:4px;padding:4px;">[[File:Toki pona.svg|16px]] Toki Pona</div> instead of <div style="display:inline-flex;align-items:center;border:1px solid #0002;border-radius:4px;gap:4px;padding:4px;"><span>🌐</span>Toki Pona</div>. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 16:37, 14 May 2026 (UTC) ::::::I thought I saw 🏛️ being used for Latin earlier. But of course, as far as the Unicode Consortium is concerned, [[Q65300415|🇬🇧]] doesn't mean '[[Q1680|English]]', no more than [[Q100587670|🏳️‍🌈]] means '[[Q1359130|Polari]]'; technically, it doesn't even mean '[[Q145|United Kingdom]]', just the letters 🇺 and 🇰 next to each other (which linguistically would indicate [[Q8798|Ukrainian]] in ISO 639, but these are 'regional indicator symbols'). [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 17:21, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::As seems (from this comment and also [[f:User_talk:DSantamaria-WMF#c-%E9%AD%94%E7%90%B4-20260513063700-Country_flags_in_abstract-data|others' comments]]) that flags are a little bit controversial, I just removed them, IMHO it was just an aesthetic concept, I like the look and feel that flags bring to the language labels, but happy to remove them if make some people feel uncomfortable with the concept. [[User:DSantamaria-WMF|DSantamaria-WMF]] ([[User talk:DSantamaria-WMF|talk]]) 05:54, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Make it more user Friendly == Make it more user-friendly by adding drag-and-drop compenots and one click additions, and make it similar to a visual macro buidler. [[User:ChippyTechGH|ChippyTechGH]] ([[User talk:ChippyTechGH|talk]]) 01:00, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :Could you file something like this on [[phab:|phabricator]]? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 01:01, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Person infoboxes == Hi all, I've just created [[f:Z35167|infobox for person (Z35167)]]. All it can really do presently is display the name of the person in the chosen language and in the person's native language, but it's a good start. I started writing it as a composition but chose to switch to writing it in JavaScript instead, which ended up being less headache-inducing (managing a large list of strings to concatenate together is not fun, plus compositions bring lots of additional overhead). Unfortunately, this means that the actual ''useful'' parts of the infobox—the information about the person themself—is not really doable. I'd need to dereference the Wikidata property references to get their label in the requested language, but since they're references and I'm working with code, not compositions, I can't just call [[f:Z6822|fetch Wikidata property (Z6822)]] and be done with it. If there's a WikiLambda API to do this inside of the JS itself that would be great and would solve everything, but at the moment that alone is what's holding it back, or so it seems. I can get the actual ''values'' of statements just fine, though. If I am missing some amazing WikiLambda API function that will solve this problem for me by letting me dereference the PID, then please let me know because that would be great. If you want to look at an example of the infobox right meow, you can view [https://abstract.wikipedia.org/view/tok/Q317521 Q317521 in Toki Pona] and see how it states Musk's name in both Toki Pona ''and'' his native English name. COOL! My hope is that this can be made less barebones in the near future. Infoboxes are a great way to get quick information on a subject and can fill in the informational gaps in the presently sparse articles we have at the moment, all while staying in the user's requested language. Feedback is appreciated! &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 02:58, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :Thank you for this! I wonder if perhaps it would be better to create one "infobox" function and then have compositions call that, making wd retrival possible? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 03:38, 15 May 2026 (UTC) ::Working on that at the moment, I think I've got it working but I'm hitting a ratelimit in the orchestrator so I don't know for sure. The main issue with it now is that the actual [[f:Z35175|infobox template (Z35175)]] wrapper was programmed in JS so as to not be a pain in the ass, so this means that it can only take in strings, HTML fragments, etc. so the retrieval of Wikidata stuff still needs to be done by the caller and is rather verbose (see [[f:Z35168|the main implementation]]). The niceties will come soon later once I know that it all works at a lower level, though. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 05:04, 15 May 2026 (UTC) ::So the problem now seems to be that when [[f:Z29825|label of Wikidata property in language (Z29825)]] isn't being faulty, it's being incredibly slow. Considering retrieving Wikidata items from their references seems to take, like, four to five seconds, and we'll have tens of statements in these infoboxes, I don't see how the property names could be retrieved in a way that doesn't cause the orchestrator to time out or hit a ratelimit. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 06:01, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :::I think I figured something out? I'm just going to try calling [[f:Z35036|fetch Wikidata property or parts (Z35036)]], it seems to be much faster for whatever reason. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 06:05, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :::It works now, a little rough around the edges, also very slow, but I think I'm mostly happy with it. Of course it would be great if all you needed to provide to the template function to get a label-statement row was the property reference itself, but I'm too sleep-deprived to figure that out at the moment. I made five bespoke functions specifically for this infobox, more than I would like, but it's probably not ''that'' bad. I'm just hoping I didn't duplicate any functionality in trying to make the composition less verbose and repetitive. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 07:15, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Wikifunctions & Abstract Wikipedia Newsletter #248 is out: A higher meaning == There is [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-05-15|a new update]] for Abstract Wikipedia and Wikifunctions. Please, come and read it! In this issue, we discuss functions creating language fragments, we present our latest news in Types, and we take a look at the latest software developments. Want to catch up with the previous updates? Check [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates|our archive]]! Enjoy the reading! -- [[User:Sannita (WMF)|User:Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 14:36, 15 May 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Sannita (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Wikifunctions_%26_Abstract_Wikipedia&oldid=30536976 --> == Translations == Yes, this question is probably easily answerable through a Web search, but I thought I'd ask here anyways. I am unfortunately not bilingual... I know Toki Pona, but it's a constructed language. I'd love to be a polyglot of some sorts but that is a future thing. I've been trying to translate pages into tok, for funsies mostly. At any rate, I want to convert some of the un-translated pages, namely Feeglgeef's policy drafts, into ones that can be translated (and then translate them into Toki Pona of course). I think I have to be a translation administrator for this? Which is a process that I'd have to ''apply'' for, and I doubt I have the credentials to be accepted for such a role. Regardless, is there a way I can go about this without having to do it through someone else? I can probably easily find documentation on marking pages for translation but I don't know how much I'm actually capable of doing as just a regular user. Should I apply? &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 14:15, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :Most of the process of preparing a page for translation can be done by any editor. See [[:mw:Help:Extension:Translate/Page translation example]]. :The step of marking a page or translation for the first time or after changes must be done by a translation administrator. :I recommend learning the <nowiki><translate> and <tvar></nowiki> syntax and using it on a few pages before applying for this permission. After you do it on a few pages, and you feel confident, and you want to do it more, you can ask for the permission. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 14:28, 20 May 2026 (UTC) ::Just to confirm, did I mark up [[Special:Diff/8138|this page]] for translation properly? I thought to give the hatnote its own <code>&lt;translate&gt;</code> enclosure so as to exclude the indent and italicization from needing to be included in the translatable text. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 15:10, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :::Mostly properly, but don't exclude <code><nowiki>''</nowiki></code> for italics from translation. It's generally a good idea to exclude complex markup from translation because it's hard for many people to type, and it usually stays the same in translation anyway. <code><nowiki>''</nowiki></code> for italics is different, however: it's very simple to type and familiar to most editors; italic letters are used differently in different languages, and in some languages they aren't used at all, so translators need the freedom to use them appropriately; this markup can also appear in the middle of a translation unit and not only in the ends. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 15:35, 20 May 2026 (UTC) ::::Thank you for the guidance. Should the italics be included if they are used over the entire hatnote? I figure that placement of italics should be left up to the discretion of the translators, but the hatnote itself is meant to be entirely italicized, I would think irrespective of the language it's in. Is this the right idea or should they still be kept within the translation unit? &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 15:45, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :::::Yes, italics should be included in the translation unit if they are used over the entire hatnote. Some languages don't use italic writing at all, so it shouldn't be forced. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 18:36, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :I'd support a translation administrator request ;), for reasons below. I'm not sure why we need a seperate translation administrator right, or why we have to call it an "administrator" (deciding that a page could be translated is a much less important role than, say, page deletion, or blocking). We picked three of them (well, one of them went through the WMF, so we picked two), [https://abstract.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Log?type=pagetranslation&user=&page=&excludetempacct=1&wpdate=&tagfilter=&wpfilters%5B%5D=newusers&wpFormIdentifier=logeventslist they don't appear very active, though], only marking 9 times this month, zero (0) of which were for pages marked for the first time. Both community translation admins used their global history and rights to get the role and only stop by occasionally, so having one who ''actually'' edits here would be nice. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 15:06, 20 May 2026 (UTC) ::This reply echos my philosophy of a sort of wiki-[[Q166005|xenophobia]] (the term xenophobia is probably too harsh, and I wouldn't consider myself one in real life, but it's the best word I can think of), I generally distrust users with a lot of global rights (both global sysop etc. and large amounts of local rights) who come make [[m:Metapedianism|metapedian]] contributions, not as people but to their ability to handle Wikifunctions and Abstract Wikipedia as incredibly unique and technically complex projects. I apologize if it my opinions come off as rude or ungrateful, I do appreciate the work of our translation administrators. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 15:26, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :::You don't bother me, it's fine. I think they definitely have a place, they can be useful and they usually are. Obviously local admins and what have you that earned their roles through the trust and reputation of the specific community they are in are going to occupy a more trusting position in my mind than a global sysop or global ''anything''. Specialized role members are good and healthy in the long term; I think we are giving these privileges to global users sparingly as the project is still in its infancy and as core contributors emerge and take up key positions we will have a more well-rounded and self-sustaining community with less global privileges needed to take up certain tasks. Wikifunctions probably needed some Foundation members or other staff to act as functioneers initially while the general community was still orienting themselves with WikiLambda and working on applying for the role, but now we have [[f:Special:ListUsers/functioneer|74(!) of them]] and the number of normal members using their specialized skills outnumbers those who were "grandfathered" in (for lack of a better term) or similar. The wiki is young—it just needs time. I myself have been considering applying for sysop privileges since they are obviously needed (there being exactly Zero of them at the moment); I've been weighing the pros and cons of such a commitment, it's obviously a lot to take up. I wish your sysop request went through, I think you would have made a great admin here. I'm unsure of what others think of my capabilities, I'm rather in-and-out around these social spaces so I don't know if there's much to go off of. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 15:55, 20 May 2026 (UTC) ::::Totally agree, and I'd support a sysopship request as well, though I'm apparently not good at assessing what the community considers supportable in admin candidate ;). ::::Off-topic, but interestingly, the sysop toolset allows you to grant yourself translation adminship. I'm not sure if sysops are expected not to grant themselves the permissions (kind of like how on enwiki 'crats are expected not grant themselves any rights without discussion despite having the technical rights), but I did it to myself on WF because [https://www.wikifunctions.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&logid=84940 another sysop had]. Additionally, the functioneer right [[Special:ListGroupRights#functioneer|exists on this wiki]], with the same rights on WF, despite all of them not doing anything on this wiki. I believe this is because, on the technical side, both AW and WF are powered by the same MediaWiki extension (Wikilambda), with one wiki set to a mode for abstract articles and another set to a mode for ZObjects. [https://dag.wikipedia.org/wiki/Di%C5%8B%27gahim:ListGroupRights#functioneer Checking the Dagbani Wikipedia] supports this theory. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 18:00, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :::::It always depends on the local policy. For Wikifunctions it is: ''Administrators do not need to undergo another discussion to become translation administrators; they can self-grant the rights to their account if necessary. Temporary administrators are not allowed to self-grant permanent translation administrator rights.'' :::::The availability of the functioneer right is a bug, see [[phab:T407066]]. --[[User:Ameisenigel|Ameisenigel]] ([[User talk:Ameisenigel|talk]]) 19:36, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :::If you don't consider yourself a xenophobe in real life, I would recommend not calling yourself that here, or anywhere really. Especially since it was the ideological capture during the 2010s of the Croatian-language Wikipedia [[w:hr:]] by actual xenophobes that was part of the impetus for Abstract Wikipedia according to [https://simia.net/wiki/Draft:_Collaborating_on_the_sum_of_all_knowledge_across_languages#A_look_on_some_south_Slavic_language_Wikipedias Denny's blog]. [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 22:10, 26 May 2026 (UTC) == Policy drafts == Hi all! I've written some draft policies and guidelines over the last few days. We're not a bureaucracy, so the point is not to set some rules but to kick off some discussions as to how our wiki will work. So far, I've created: * [[Abstract Wikipedia:Notability|a notability guideline]] * [[Abstract Wikipedia:Deletion policy|a deletion policy]] I've written them as my opinion on what should happen, but I'm hoping to align them with community consensus as we discuss them more. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 13:44, 21 May 2026 (UTC) == Wikifunctions & Abstract Wikipedia Newsletter #249 is out: Annual plan 2026-2027 == There is [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-05-23|a new update]] for Abstract Wikipedia and Wikifunctions. Please, come and read it! In this issue, we present you the current draft of objectives for Wikifunctions and Abstract Wikipedia in the WMF Annual Plan 2026-2027, and we take a look at the latest software developments. Want to catch up with the previous updates? Check [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates|our archive]]! Enjoy the reading! -- [[User:Sannita (WMF)|User:Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 09:48, 25 May 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Sannita (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Wikifunctions_%26_Abstract_Wikipedia&oldid=30536976 --> == To abstract Wikipedia or be the Abstract Wikipedia == There is a discussion happening about what the [[Abstract Wikipedia:Notability|notability criteria]] for Abstract Wikipedia should be, and in trying to participate I've found my idea of Abstract Wikipedia is awfully abstract. Is Abstract Wikipedia supposed to abstract Wikipedia, as in abstracting information from existing articles on the language Wikipedias (barring new contributions), or is it supposed to become the Abstract Wikipedia, supporting collaboration across all languages like it's the language Wikipedia to end all language Wikipedias (allowing new contributions)? I thought the answer would be obvious, but the name Abstract Wikipedia is a bit ambiguous. Am I missing something? [[User:Some helpful person|Some helpful person]] ([[User talk:Some helpful person|talk]]) 02:16, 27 May 2026 (UTC) :I think ({{ping|DVrandecic (WMF)|p=?}}) the idea is (and I personally prefer) the latter. I believe that, given the fact that it's much easier to write a concrete article than an abstract article, and the fact that the community of potential future contributors on enwiki is skeptical ''at best'', we ultimately will never expand beyond the size of other wikis, but I see no problem with allowing volunteers to add information not on other wikis (it's probably not the most effective, but they're volunteers, beggars can't be choosers), as long as it's not vandalism, useless, or promotional slop. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 02:31, 27 May 2026 (UTC) :@[[User:Some helpful person|Some helpful person]] Abstract Wikipedia is a Wikipedia, where people can collaborate across languages on articles, which can then be used to fill gaps in the existing Wikipedias. Whereas I expect that current Wikipedia articles might be used as a convenient starting point for many of the articles in Abstract Wikipedia, this is more a consequence of Wikipedia being one of the best places to go to to find reliable knowledge, but that is not part of how it is supposed to work. So, this is not to abstract the existing Wikipedias, but to collaborate on an Abstract Wikipedia. At no point is this meant to replace existing Wikipedias. (Thanks to @[[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] for the ping!) --[[User:DVrandecic (WMF)|DVrandecic (WMF)]] ([[User talk:DVrandecic (WMF)|talk]]) 17:01, 27 May 2026 (UTC) ::Thank you, this makes a lot more sense now. [[User:Some helpful person|Some helpful person]] ([[User talk:Some helpful person|talk]]) 21:52, 27 May 2026 (UTC) == template suggestion == Some way to mock abstract syntax on talk and project pages, analogous to those in [[d:category:format Template]]. [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 15:21, 27 May 2026 (UTC) :Hmm. I agree. :Workshopping ideas for how it works: :* Invokation: <nowiki>{{Call|Z26039|{"Z1K1": "Z18", "Z18K1": "Z825K1"}|{"Z1K1": "Z6091", "Z6091K1": "Q634"}|{"Z1K1": "Z18", "Z18K1": "Z825K1"}|lang=en}}</nowiki> :** This could then be suplemented by helper templates: <nowiki>{{Call|Z26039|{{Wikidata item argument reference}}|{{Wikidata item reference|Q634}}|{{Language argument reference}}}}</nowiki> :* This would result in "[[f:Z26039|subject is instance of (string)]] (wikidata item reference, [[d:Q634|planet]], language)" :** Icons are missing in this example, I'm not sure if we can actually add them :Thoughts? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 16:04, 27 May 2026 (UTC) == Marking NLG Default text == Some NLG functions give default texts, like [[f:Z33420|Z33420]] will give text like "Paris ∈ {city}". sometimes in other languages the English text is show. Currently there is no visual clue that these texts are not normal text in the requested language. I propose we mark these text with color <span style="color:magenta;">Paris ∈ {city}</span> with something like <nowiki><span style="color:magenta;">Paris ∈ {city}</span></nowiki>. To have this configurable/maintainable this could be included in a function, called NLG default text or so, with a text as input an a text in color as output. The exact formatting like magenta color or gray background or something else can be discussed/decided later. To have it even more configurable on personal stylesheets it could use a class like <nowiki><span class="NLG Default text">Paris ∈ {city}</span></nowiki>. What do you think? Could somebody make such a function already? [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 12:00, 29 May 2026 (UTC) :The are technically just monolingual texts in a language called "multiple languages". I threw a prototype together really quickly, [[f:Z35839]]. It will accept strings, monolingual texts, and html fragments as input, so you have to select which type you want. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 14:59, 29 May 2026 (UTC) ::OK, thanks, I added it to [[f:Z26039]] and works as expected, see [https://www.wikifunctions.org/wiki/Z26039?call=%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z7%22%2C%22Z7K1%22%3A%22Z26039%22%2C%22Z26039K1%22%3A%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z6091%22%2C%22Z6091K1%22%3A%22Q64%22%7D%2C%22Z26039K2%22%3A%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z6091%22%2C%22Z6091K1%22%3A%22Q515%22%7D%2C%22Z26039K3%22%3A%22Z1555%22%7D here]. The test for the function with default text now fails because it now is in magenta color. That was to be expected. I will leave the tests unchanged if that is OK with you, as we might need to change the exact formatting. ::Is it OK to add this to other NLG functions that produce default output? [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 15:59, 29 May 2026 (UTC) :::Sure, [[w:en:WP:Be bold|be bold]]! [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 20:50, 29 May 2026 (UTC) ::::Feeglgeef, I am struggling with the output. Can you have a look? [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 17:02, 30 May 2026 (UTC) :::::Can you link me to where? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 17:08, 30 May 2026 (UTC) ::::::{{Q|90}} in a language vls should give a magenta text. Instead it gives "Wikifunctions returned a failed response: Unspecified error". [[f:Z33422]] results "<span style="color: magenta;">Parys ∈ {stad}</span>" (as a string). [[f:Z26039]] also gives "<span style="color: magenta;">Parys ∈ {stad}</span>", but it's test [[f:Z33726]] gives an HTML equivalent, not a string. [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 17:59, 30 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::You shouldn't be returning HTML in string-typed functions. I'm not sure, then, how we implement your proposal, actually. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 18:54, 30 May 2026 (UTC) ::::::::I tried with [[f:Z35921]] but now the output is the literal text, and not HTML. Does anybody have an idea how to implement the text in a color? ::::::::Alternatively we could use texts like // Parys ∈ {stad} //. [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 16:51, 31 May 2026 (UTC) ::::::::: You need to output [[f:Z89|HTML fragment]], not String. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 17:16, 31 May 2026 (UTC) :I agree with the above that this should not be applied to functions which return strings or monolingual text. If anything, it might work to insert it into functions returning HTML. The most egregious problems I've seen are when I tried to render into an RTL language (e.g. Hebrew 0 try on [[Q408]]), and it spilled all the formatting all over the article. I will revert the change to the string default at [[:f:Z33421]], but suggest it is tested carefully if implemented elsewhere. In general I prefer just marking with spans rather than colours at this stage. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 04:49, 3 June 2026 (UTC) :: Perhaps mark with spans given a specific ID and then allow users to use a userscript/gadget to paint them magenta? That seems like the most considerate approach. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 05:12, 3 June 2026 (UTC) :::[[:f:Z32234]] suggests something like <code>span lang="mul"</code> or similar. [[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 05:20, 3 June 2026 (UTC) ::::I will (carefully) try some other alternatives, and use a personal class in my userscript for <nowiki><span class="NLG Default text"></nowiki>. [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 14:05, 4 June 2026 (UTC) ::::: If possible, can you use <nowiki><span lang="mul"></nowiki>? This would allow it to also catch some instances automatically. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 16:14, 4 June 2026 (UTC) ::::::I have done so, but how can I set my personal stylesheet to show color magenta with <span lang="mul">? [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 22:20, 4 June 2026 (UTC) ::::::: try adding this to [[Special:MyPage/common.css]]: ::::::: [lang="mul"] {<br> color: magenta;<br> } [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 23:48, 4 June 2026 (UTC) == Ratification of the deletion policy proposal? == I haven't seen any unresolved objections to my proposal for a [[Abstract Wikipedia:Deletion policy|policy for deletion]]. Does anybody have any issues, and, if not, is it ok to ratify as an actual policy? I intend to remove the draft template and replace it with a policy template unless anyone voices any objection within a week. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 20:55, 29 May 2026 (UTC) :Is it just me or does [[Abstract Wikipedia:Deletion policy#Reasons for deletion]] render blank with only number bullets without the actual text after ''1.'' or ''2.''? [[User:Bunnypranav|Bunnypranav]] ([[User talk:Bunnypranav|talk]]) 07:13, 30 May 2026 (UTC) ::I see text. ―[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''<span style="color:black">v</span>f</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 07:49, 30 May 2026 (UTC) :::I can see on my phone, but it goes blank on my laptop. What is the role of ''<nowiki><span class="anchor" id="1"></nowiki>''? [[User:Bunnypranav|Bunnypranav]] ([[User talk:Bunnypranav|talk]]) 12:15, 30 May 2026 (UTC) ::::{{ping|Bunnypranav}} I can see the text everywhere (I tested connected and not connected, on my phone, laptop, with Chrome or Firefox ; what system do you use?). As the name suggest, the span anchor is here to create an HTML anchor, so you can do link like [[Abstract_Wikipedia:Deletion_policy#7]]. Cheers, [[User:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[User talk:VIGNERON|talk]]) 13:49, 30 May 2026 (UTC) :::::I'm on Brave browser. Nevertheless, forget it. The culprit might be some random customization I did to my system which I cannot recollect. The reason is the span tag only though, tried a preview kicking out a text to just outside the tag and it worked. [[User:Bunnypranav|Bunnypranav]] ([[User talk:Bunnypranav|talk]]) 14:23, 30 May 2026 (UTC) :Globally, it looks fine. I think that reasons 7 and 8 may need some examples/clarifications. There is no global consensus when it comes to creating categories. For example, categories for building interiors and exteriors. Personally, I feel that they are useful for easier discoverability. [[User:Jsamwrites|John Samuel]] ([[User:Jsamwrites|talk]]) 15:39, 30 May 2026 (UTC) ::I've copied them over from enwiki. They're probably included in "content otherwise not suited for an encyclopedia." Since sysops can't speedy them, it'd be up to commenters on [[Abstract:RFD]] to determine. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 16:48, 30 May 2026 (UTC) == Wikifunctions & Abstract Wikipedia Newsletter #250 is out: Looking back and forward == There is [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-05-30|a new update]] for Abstract Wikipedia and Wikifunctions. Please, come and read it! In this issue, we present you a recollection of our work so far, now that we celebrate our 250th newsletter, we share with you a summary of our latest outreach activities, and we take a look at the latest software developments. Want to catch up with the previous updates? Check [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates|our archive]]! Enjoy the reading! -- [[User:Sannita (WMF)|User:Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 10:04, 1 June 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Sannita (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Wikifunctions_%26_Abstract_Wikipedia&oldid=30606821 --> nm09erwawqka577z9rphgv5bpdtut6b 9608 9606 2026-06-04T23:51:34Z Feeglgeef 36 [[User:HenkvD]], please use nowiki on any loose elements. this applies it the whole rest of the section. 9608 wikitext text/x-wiki {{#ifexist:Abstract Wikipedia:Project chat/Header/{{USERLANGUAGE}}|{{/Header/{{USERLANGUAGE}}}}|{{/Header}}}} {{/Archives}} <!-- Add your discussion below this line --> == Why don't we just structure this with wikitemplates? == I feel like the project could be done a lot better by using templates kind of like how wikipedia does them. Just the entire thing is templates that can be rendered in many languages. So like [[Q106289265]] would have the content <nowiki>{{Z26039|Q7257}}</nowiki> and could even have some aliasing done across languages so it could be <nowiki>{{subject is|Q7257}}</nowiki>. Code would be editable with a regular visual editor or code editor. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 04:34, 29 March 2026 (UTC) :This is available in pages when Parsoid rendering is enabled. We don't use this becuase it doesn't make sense for constructing and editing massive articles. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 21:37, 29 March 2026 (UTC) ::How do you do parsoid rendering? And why wouldn't it make sense? With aliases and everything could work great. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 23:12, 29 March 2026 (UTC) :::I believe it is enabled by default. If you do have it on: {{#function:Z10000|you'll s|ee this}} [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 14:54, 30 March 2026 (UTC) :you may be interested in reading this old [[m:Abstract_Wikipedia/Google.org_Fellows_evaluation|Google report]]. [[User:BrokenSegue|BrokenSegue]] ([[User talk:BrokenSegue|talk]]) 14:32, 9 May 2026 (UTC) == Why the editing API doesn't work == {{tracked|T423542}} Immanuelle wrongly stated that there is no REST API for editing. [[#REST API for editing?|There is]]. However, it does not work when called from software outside Abstract Wikipedia. That is because there is no way to grant a bot password or OAuth customer the permission to edit abstract articles (<code>wikilambda-abstract-edit</code>) and create them (<code>wikilambda-abstract-create</code>), since no grant on [[Special:ListGrants]] includes either. Should this be fixed? [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 01:57, 26 April 2026 (UTC) :Yes I think the rights should be added. I think the number of automated edits should be low at the moment as Abstract Wikipedia is still in an early phase and so far there is not much support for small languages and so many functions will maybe change to cover more languages. As automatic editing using a Bot Account requires an formal request it is no problem if the option exists. [[User:Hogü-456|Hogü-456]] ([[User talk:Hogü-456|talk]]) 18:17, 26 April 2026 (UTC) :Sounds good to me. Could we add a bot section to [[Abstract Wikipedia:Requests for permissions]]? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 23:35, 5 May 2026 (UTC) ::[[Abstract_Wikipedia:Requests_for_permissions#Bot]] ―[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''<span style="color:black">v</span>f</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 23:56, 5 May 2026 (UTC) :not currently possible :((((( [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 14:46, 30 April 2026 (UTC) :Feeglgeef is correct, past tense sentence generation is something we are sorely lacking at the moment. If you look at [[f:WF:Type proposals#Representing abstract content|Wikifunctions' type proposals]] you can see some initiatives that could hopefully mitigate this. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 13:49, 1 May 2026 (UTC) == Spaces between sentences, another attempt == [[Abstract Wikipedia:Project chat#Extra spaces between sentences|A month ago]], @[[User:内存溢出的猫|内存溢出的猫]]<ref group="spaces3>According to Google Translate, it's pronounced "Nèicún yìchū de māo". Please correct me if it's wrong. When I write, I want to know how are things that I write pronounced aloud, and very unfortunately, I never learned to read Chinese characters, and even if I did, most English speakers probably didn't. Come to think of it, is there a function that ''reliably'' transliterates Chinese characters?</ref> That discussion doesn't seem to have yielded any fixes or meaningful discussions, at least not that I can see. [[Abstract Wikipedia:Project chat#Spaces between sentences|Two weeks ago]], I tried to bring up a similar topic, but that discussion somehow got derailed and also didn't yield anything useful. Now, the problem looks differently, but it's still a problem. When I look at [[Q10251]], for example, what I see is four sentences that ''appear'' with ''no'' spaces between them. Not one, not two—none at all. It looks like this: :Plasma is a fundamental state of matter.Plasma is a classical state of matter.A plasma is a gas.A plasma is a matter. Note that I emphasized ''appear'': When I see them rendered on the screen, they have no spaces between them. In the HTML, however, they are represented as four <code><nowiki><div></nowiki></code>s, and their inline positioning is handled by CSS. This means, for example, that if I copy and paste them, I don't get a long string with no spaces after full stops, but four sentences with a single line break after each full stop: <poem> Plasma is a fundamental state of matter. Plasma is a classical state of matter. A plasma is a gas. A plasma is a matter. </poem> This is not how it is supposed to be done. <code><nowiki><div></nowiki></code>s are supposed to be used for block elements and not hacked into appearing as if they are inline (also known as phrasing). Spaces between sentences are supposed to be real characters rather than HTML and CSS tricks, they may be different in different languages, and in some languages they may be nothing at all. I hope that the definition of the problem is clear. <references group="spaces3"></references> [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 12:49, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :Hi, have a look at it [[Special:PermanentLink/7132|now]]. Does this match your expectations? I think it's not rendering right now for whatever reason, but there are other examples of it being done this way that you can see: [[Q241691]]. The article renders properly in both English (spaces between sentences) and Japanese (no spaces at all). : :'''English:''' :<blockquote>Programmed Data Processor is a computer model series by Digital Equipment Corporation. PDP-8 is a Programmed Data Processor.</blockquote> :'''Japanese:''' :<blockquote>PDPシリーズはディジタル・イクイップメント・コーポレーションによるコンピュータ・モデル・シリーズである。PDP-8はPDPシリーズである。</blockquote> : :I have some, err, strong opinions about [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]]'s 「Abstract Wikipedia Editor」 tool, which is the predominant cause for all of these very janky and poorly-laid-out articles that you see. This is not how an article ought to be written on Abstract Wikipedia, and I and other editors are aware of this. If you see these problems, please do fix them! The wiki will be all the better for it. : :In the absence of consensus on such things as these (and awaiting any official policy pages) I have written [[f:User:Theki/best practices]] on my Wikifunctions userpage. You are welcome to read it if you wish. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 17:20, 2 May 2026 (UTC) ::The output of [[Q241691]] looks OK to me in this regard. How was it done? ::[[Q10251]] gives me an error. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 18:10, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :::WikiLambda is doing WikiLambda things. This WASI time limit error happens intermittently on Abstract Wikipedia articles and it usually goes away after a short while. The only thing is that it doesn't really seem like purging these articles does anything to force the orchestrator to retry its evaluation so the article might not render that paragraph until someone comes in and pokes at it by editing it somehow. ::: :::The working article uses the [[f:Z33068|''paragraph from sentences'']] function to lay out its individual sentence content. This function automatically handles converting any and all text-like objects (strings, HTML fragments, and monolingual text) to a consistent form, so sentence fragments can all be supplied verbatim to its list input. When the function is putting the sentences together it defaults to using a single space to separate them, but first checks if the requested language is in the [[f:Z33984|''languages without spaces between sentences'']] list. If it is, it doesn't add spaces at all, and just concatenates the sentences normally. I hope this explanation makes sense. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 18:19, 2 May 2026 (UTC) ::::It makes some sense, but earlier, you suggested: "If you see these problems, please do fix them", and I'm not entirely sure how to do it. How would I fix it in [[Q100]], for example? [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 19:41, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :::::In this case you would do the following: :::::# At the bottom, click the plus and then 「Add empty fragment」. :::::# Set the function to [[f:Z33068]], as mentioned earlier. :::::# Now go through each sentence fragment, find the innermost sentence-generation function, click on the three dots, and copy it. Do not copy the calls to [[f:Z29749]] or similar, these are not necessary. :::::# Go to the ''paragraph with sentences'' function call and add an element to the list. :::::# Click on the three dots next to the new element, and paste in the earlier sentence fragment. :::::# You can now delete the original fragment and repeat the process in the same list for the one after it. :::::&mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 19:46, 2 May 2026 (UTC) ::@[[User:Theki|Theki]] I intend on fixing it, I recently made an attempt but the suggested fixes made problems worse. Do you have any practical suggestions of how to structure the templates? I will try to implement them when I have more time. ::Also your name is very confusing, are you in the process of getting it changed wiki-wide? [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 22:36, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :::Um, are you referring to my signature not matching my wiki username? I have considered for a long time changing it from ''theki'', but I don't feel like putting in the effort when it seems to be perfectly ignorable for most people. The user 「''Rae''」 can't be usurped because they made, like, two or three articles on the Persian Wikipedia two decades ago or something, I don't know. If that weren't the case I would be User:Rae right now but after that failed to go through I just decided to stop bothering. Maybe at some point I'll come up with a username I'm happy with keeping for the foreseeable future but I have other concerns at the moment. :::Could you explain how your attempted fixes 「made problems worse」? Presently I side with Feeglgeef's sentiments and prefer to wait for abstract content to actually be feasible to make on a reasonably descriptive scale (see: the type proposals) before I go around making articles willy-nilly, which is what AWE has been doing—making a bunch of pretty low-quality articles on a massive scale when it probably ''really'' would have been better to, err, hold off on that. :::And I honestly know very little about the actual workings of your editor, I don't really use it nor am I familiar with its template syntax or whatever it may use, so I'm going to look over how it actually works and then get back to you on that. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 23:28, 2 May 2026 (UTC) ::::Using this [[f:Z33068]] made things worse [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 00:44, 3 May 2026 (UTC) :::::That did not go through correctly but I do not think we have a proper thing for it. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 00:45, 3 May 2026 (UTC) ::::::What? Could you elaborate? &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 01:00, 3 May 2026 (UTC) ::::::{{ping|Immanuelle}} I checked. Your issue is that your editor is not providing the article language to Z33068K2; that is, the ''paragraph from sentences'' function has a second argument, and your editor was omitting it. If you properly specify it, it will work. Please, next time, actually tell me what went wrong instead of going quiet and forcing me to look after it myself. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 17:06, 4 May 2026 (UTC) :I avoid [[f:Z33068]] for now, because executing a whole paragraph in a single call would often time out. So my current alternative is inserting [[f:Z35672]] between sentences. Fairly clunky, but it works... --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 06:08, 28 May 2026 (UTC) ::Can you categorize the talk pages of articles you're doing that with? It has major accessibility concerns for our friends using screen readers, so it'd be nice to be able to find those with issues when were able to fix the calls [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 21:50, 28 May 2026 (UTC) :::I think the new tool can show us this (via dumps). For example, here are the uses of 'paragraph': https://abstract-data.toolforge.org/zid/Z32123 --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 23:07, 28 May 2026 (UTC) ::::There's more than one way to not use spaces correctly and more than one way to use spaces correctly, this wouldn't catch all of them. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 23:13, 28 May 2026 (UTC) :::::I'm not totally sure what you want to track, but I'm confident that this will find all my uses. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 02:10, 29 May 2026 (UTC) ::::I think it slipped past everyone's notice, but I made a template for linking to that sort of information @ [[Template:Zd|<nowiki>{{</nowiki>zd<nowiki>}}</nowiki>]]. {{zd|Z35672|sentence separator}} <span style="font-size:smaller;opacity:0.8">(I don't think the database dumps have noticed the function you're using yet, so it's a 404 at the moment.)</span> &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 01:09, 29 May 2026 (UTC) ===Easier solution?=== Maybe a much easier solution would be to replace the "." after each sentence with ". " (a full stop and a space). The paragraghs might add an extra space, but that is displayed as one by the browser. [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) ==Wiktionary integration== I was trying out a few functions recently, such as [https://www.wikifunctions.org/view/en/Z27243 the new superlative function], and I noticed that ''every adjective'' has to be a Wikidata item. For example, I couldn't type in the inputs "Bugatti Veyron", "fast", "Earth" because "fast" as an adjective is not a Wikidata item. This doesn't really make sense, given that Wiktionary already has the word for "fast" and its superlative form in many different languages. Would it be possible to integrate Wiktionary into the function, so the user can type an adjective or verb from Wiktionary instead of having to deal with Wikidata (which consists almost entirely of nouns)? [[User:Somepinkdude|Somepinkdude]] ([[User talk:Somepinkdude|talk]]) 16:49, 6 May 2026 (UTC) :No, sadly. I would try "speed" as the adjective, though, you have to use abstract qualities instead of concrete English terms. [[File:Wikifunctions Superlative speed example.png|thumb|Here's an example of the word being used.]] [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 18:02, 6 May 2026 (UTC) :Wikidata has standard items as well as lexeme data, so if anything, we should try to integrate those. E.g. [[:d:Lexeme:L1029]]. ―[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''<span style="color:black">v</span>f</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 19:48, 6 May 2026 (UTC) ::I tried this, and it gave "Bugatti Veyron is the speedest car on Earth", which is laughably bad. The problem is that Wikidata does not "know" what the superlative form is, while Wiktionary does. Speed is a fairly common descriptor, but what about less common adjectives which aren't on Wikidata? Will there need to be a bot to copy all of this information from Wiktionary? [[User:Somepinkdude|Somepinkdude]] ([[User talk:Somepinkdude|talk]]) 22:14, 6 May 2026 (UTC) :::I'm not suggesting that the functionality works <em>now</em>, but that we need to integrate the funcationality. ―[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''<span style="color:black">v</span>f</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 22:17, 6 May 2026 (UTC) :::Well, no, the superlative form is chosen by [[f:Z12203]]. I think there's a bug with the English implementation that calls that function wrong. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 22:19, 6 May 2026 (UTC) :@[[User:Somepinkdude|Somepinkdude]] I did find the item {{Q|Q19807466}} which was linked to a concept database's entry for "fast"; I have at least linked it to the English lexeme "fast" and will try to add more links at a better hour. [[User:Mahir256|Mahir256]] ([[User talk:Mahir256|talk]]) 04:18, 7 May 2026 (UTC) == Showcase == I was wondering if there's a curated list of decent articles to learn by example here on Abstract Wikipedia? [[User:Fgnievinski|Fgnievinski]] ([[User talk:Fgnievinski|talk]]) 02:02, 8 May 2026 (UTC) :Unfortunately not, and, honestly, I wouldn't recommend article creation at the moment, it's likely to need significant refactoring as the way we represent abstract content changes, but, I can point you to [[Q668]] as a reasonably good example at the moment. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 02:39, 8 May 2026 (UTC) ::Thank you. "308 languages" blew my mind – well done! [[User:Fgnievinski|Fgnievinski]] ([[User talk:Fgnievinski|talk]]) 02:54, 8 May 2026 (UTC) :::308 is the number of ''concrete'' Wikipedias in which a manually-written article about India is available. :::The abstract article renders for me in English as "India is a country in Asia. India is a republic. New Delhi is the capital of India. India is the most populous country in world." Switching to another language to get rendered as an abstract article is done by typing the language's name in the box above the rendered text. I tried French, German, and Dutch, and got errors in all of them. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 03:12, 8 May 2026 (UTC) ::::So it goes. The paragraph has quite a lot of distinct sentence generation functions, all of which of course have to be implemented in the target language. This will be rounded out once we're able to more effectively generalize linguistic content. I view these functions as sort of patchy temporary solutions to the sentence generation problem while we figure out something more robust, which I hope is soon to come. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 04:15, 8 May 2026 (UTC) == Wikifunctions & Abstract Wikipedia Newsletter #247 is out: References from Wikidata now available == There is [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-05-08|a new update]] for Abstract Wikipedia and Wikifunctions. Please, come and read it! In this issue, we announce that is now possible to pass references in Wikidata statements, we introduce the [https://abstract-data.toolforge.org/ Abstract Data dashboard], we report you on the presentation about Abstract Wikipedia at WikiCon Australia, and we take a look at the latest software developments. Want to catch up with the previous updates? Check [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates|our archive]]! Also, we remind you that if you have questions or ideas to discuss, the next '''Volunteers' Corner''' will be held on '''[https://zonestamp.toolforge.org/1778520600 May 11, at 17:30 UTC]''' ([https://meet.google.com/xuy-njxh-rkw link to the meeting]). Enjoy the reading! -- [[User:Sannita (WMF)|User:Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 11:16, 8 May 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Sannita (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Wikifunctions_%26_Abstract_Wikipedia&oldid=30325620 --> == about the usage of Z33068 == The use of [[f:Z33068]] (en: paragraph from sentences) <s>always</s> most of the time results in the error "Reached time limit in orchestrator." So should it be used at all for now, temporarily? Or maybe there are already some tickets about this that I am not aware of? -- [[User:Asked42|Asked42]] ([[User talk:Asked42|talk]]) 18:23, 10 May 2026 (UTC) :It previously worked, so I'm hoping whatever the issue is will be fixed soon. The current state of the wiki makes [[m:Immediatism|immediatism]] an illogical philosophy to have at the moment, in my opinion. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 20:16, 10 May 2026 (UTC) ::This issue seems to no longer exist, you might need to clear the cache by making a dummy edit on affected articles. I implemented the function in Python (instead of composition), which has increased the speed by about 2000 ms. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 04:31, 11 May 2026 (UTC) :::Seems like working. Thank you. -- [[User:Asked42|Asked42]] ([[User talk:Asked42|talk]]) 19:06, 11 May 2026 (UTC) == Manual of Style == I've created a [[Abstract Wikipedia:Manual of Style|draft for a Manual of Style]]. Please feel free to comment on or make bold edits to the page. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 03:29, 11 May 2026 (UTC) :Thank you! That’s great and I’ll look at it more soon. I’m still taking a bit of a wikibreak. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 22:32, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :Is there anything I've written [[f:User:Theki/best_practices#Abstract_Wikipedia|here]] that you think would make for a good technical section of the page? &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 00:04, 15 May 2026 (UTC) ::I've added some of them. Thank you for your list of best practices by the way, I generally agree with them (I can't endorse connecting WD items currently in hope of a better technical solution, but otherwise I do). [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 00:58, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Proposals on the architecture of Abstract Content rendering == Starting from a discussion born on the Wikifunctions Telegram chat, I've explained two different proposals on how the NLG on Abstract Wikipedia should be organized in the page [[User:Dv103/Abstract articles architectures]]. Please come to contribute to the discussion, or to propose alternatives. [[User:Dv103|Dv103]] ([[User talk:Dv103|talk]]) 14:32, 11 May 2026 (UTC) == [[MediaWiki:Wikimedia-copyright-footer]] == The copyright message has a few issues, mainly that it does not address abstract content (which is not "text"), nor object labels (which are under CC0). Proposed text: "<nowiki> Text and abstract content are available under the [https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/ Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License]; the labels of objects from [[f:|Wikifunctions]] are available under the [https://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/ Creative Commons CC0 License]; additional terms may apply. See [https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Policy:Terms_of_Use Terms of Use] for details. </nowiki>" Which, when rendered, looks like: Text and abstract content are available under the [https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/ Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License]; the labels of objects from [[f:|Wikifunctions]] are available under the [https://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/ Creative Commons CC0 License]; additional terms may apply. See [https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Policy:Terms_of_Use Terms of Use] for details. The message is somewhat inspired by the current one and WF's. Thoughts? Thank you! [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 13:30, 12 May 2026 (UTC) :@[[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]]: As you probably imagine, this text is very tightly controlled by the Wikimedia Foundation's Legal department. I think the first port of call should be a discussion about why you might want to change things, rather than a rush to specific re-wordings, before approaching them for sign-off. [[User:Jdforrester (WMF)|Jdforrester (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Jdforrester (WMF)|talk]]) 14:28, 12 May 2026 (UTC) ::Well I briefly summarized my justification, my proposed text was just an idea for a starting point. Basically, the abstract content is not really "text", so the footer doesn't actually tell the reader what they're allowed to do with it, and I argue that the current wording implies that the labels are licensed under CC-BY-SA 4, when they aren't. I think a change is critical as otherwise we're not showing the reader a license, or, arguably, in the case of labels, showing users a license that ''does not apply'', which is a pretty bad thing. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 14:51, 12 May 2026 (UTC) == [[MediaWiki:AbstractWikiSuggestedWikifunctions.json]] == I'd think we should add [[f:Z33068]] here. The function allows you to form a paragraph out of sentences and handles languages having different standards of whether to add a space between them, and adding it here would make finding it easier. I'm not sure what policy we want to have for the suggested functions, this idea might help formulate it. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 16:06, 12 May 2026 (UTC) :[[User:Jdforrester (WMF)]] tells me the page has been changed to [[Special:CommunityConfiguration/AbstractWikiSuggestedWikifunctions]] on the telegram. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 16:25, 12 May 2026 (UTC) ::@[[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]]: Yup, see the weekly update on [[f:Wikifunctions:Status_updates/2026-05-02|2026-05-02]]. [[User:Jdforrester (WMF)|Jdforrester (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Jdforrester (WMF)|talk]]) 16:35, 12 May 2026 (UTC) :I also believe Z33068 should be added to the list. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 17:25, 12 May 2026 (UTC) {{done}} see [[Special:Diff/7692]]. Cheers, [[User:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[User talk:VIGNERON|talk]]) 09:08, 20 May 2026 (UTC) == Abstract Wikipedia statistics site source code == https://abstract-data.toolforge.org/ is a very useful tool, but it doesn't seem to have anything pointing to the location of its source code. Is it closed-source or unfree? While I'm at it I feel I should suggest having language pages' paths formatted differently from how they are currently—at the moment it's <code>/languages/Toki%20Pona</code> when something like <code>/languages/tok</code> would be more suitable. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; : See [[:gitlab:toolforge-repos/abstract-data]]. Also pinging {{ping|DSantamaria-WMF|p=}} (thanks for the tool, by the way). [[User:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|<span class="skin-invert" style="color:black;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:110%;font-weight:normal;line-height:normal">NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh</span>]] 00:25, 13 May 2026 (UTC) ::Thank you. I think a link to that repository should be put in a footer somewhere on the website as I wouldn't have found that if not for you. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 02:30, 13 May 2026 (UTC) :::{{ping|Theki}} For the record, I found that repo by searching for "abstract-data" on [[:toolhub:|Toolhub]]. [[User:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|<span class="skin-invert" style="color:black;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:110%;font-weight:normal;line-height:normal">NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh</span>]] 03:34, 13 May 2026 (UTC) :::Thanks for the feedback and the report, fixed both things, we have now the link to the repo in the side bar footer, and also the language codes are used in the URLs. Thanks! [[User:DSantamaria-WMF|DSantamaria-WMF]] ([[User talk:DSantamaria-WMF|talk]]) 11:46, 13 May 2026 (UTC) ::::Are you particularly attached to keeping country flag emojis next to the language names? Some consider it an [https://flagsarenotlanguages.com/blog anti-pattern]. [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 16:17, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::I think the use of flags is not really harmful since this is not a ''language selector'', it is just a list of languages. Of course not every language has an associated flag, for example Latin, which does look a bit awkward, but it can't be helped. Maybe give languages without a flag a unique icon from Wikimedia Commons? e.g. <div style="display:inline-flex;align-items:center;border:1px solid #0002;border-radius:4px;gap:4px;padding:4px;">[[File:Toki pona.svg|16px]] Toki Pona</div> instead of <div style="display:inline-flex;align-items:center;border:1px solid #0002;border-radius:4px;gap:4px;padding:4px;"><span>🌐</span>Toki Pona</div>. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 16:37, 14 May 2026 (UTC) ::::::I thought I saw 🏛️ being used for Latin earlier. But of course, as far as the Unicode Consortium is concerned, [[Q65300415|🇬🇧]] doesn't mean '[[Q1680|English]]', no more than [[Q100587670|🏳️‍🌈]] means '[[Q1359130|Polari]]'; technically, it doesn't even mean '[[Q145|United Kingdom]]', just the letters 🇺 and 🇰 next to each other (which linguistically would indicate [[Q8798|Ukrainian]] in ISO 639, but these are 'regional indicator symbols'). [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 17:21, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::As seems (from this comment and also [[f:User_talk:DSantamaria-WMF#c-%E9%AD%94%E7%90%B4-20260513063700-Country_flags_in_abstract-data|others' comments]]) that flags are a little bit controversial, I just removed them, IMHO it was just an aesthetic concept, I like the look and feel that flags bring to the language labels, but happy to remove them if make some people feel uncomfortable with the concept. [[User:DSantamaria-WMF|DSantamaria-WMF]] ([[User talk:DSantamaria-WMF|talk]]) 05:54, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Make it more user Friendly == Make it more user-friendly by adding drag-and-drop compenots and one click additions, and make it similar to a visual macro buidler. [[User:ChippyTechGH|ChippyTechGH]] ([[User talk:ChippyTechGH|talk]]) 01:00, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :Could you file something like this on [[phab:|phabricator]]? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 01:01, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Person infoboxes == Hi all, I've just created [[f:Z35167|infobox for person (Z35167)]]. All it can really do presently is display the name of the person in the chosen language and in the person's native language, but it's a good start. I started writing it as a composition but chose to switch to writing it in JavaScript instead, which ended up being less headache-inducing (managing a large list of strings to concatenate together is not fun, plus compositions bring lots of additional overhead). Unfortunately, this means that the actual ''useful'' parts of the infobox—the information about the person themself—is not really doable. I'd need to dereference the Wikidata property references to get their label in the requested language, but since they're references and I'm working with code, not compositions, I can't just call [[f:Z6822|fetch Wikidata property (Z6822)]] and be done with it. If there's a WikiLambda API to do this inside of the JS itself that would be great and would solve everything, but at the moment that alone is what's holding it back, or so it seems. I can get the actual ''values'' of statements just fine, though. If I am missing some amazing WikiLambda API function that will solve this problem for me by letting me dereference the PID, then please let me know because that would be great. If you want to look at an example of the infobox right meow, you can view [https://abstract.wikipedia.org/view/tok/Q317521 Q317521 in Toki Pona] and see how it states Musk's name in both Toki Pona ''and'' his native English name. COOL! My hope is that this can be made less barebones in the near future. Infoboxes are a great way to get quick information on a subject and can fill in the informational gaps in the presently sparse articles we have at the moment, all while staying in the user's requested language. Feedback is appreciated! &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 02:58, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :Thank you for this! I wonder if perhaps it would be better to create one "infobox" function and then have compositions call that, making wd retrival possible? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 03:38, 15 May 2026 (UTC) ::Working on that at the moment, I think I've got it working but I'm hitting a ratelimit in the orchestrator so I don't know for sure. The main issue with it now is that the actual [[f:Z35175|infobox template (Z35175)]] wrapper was programmed in JS so as to not be a pain in the ass, so this means that it can only take in strings, HTML fragments, etc. so the retrieval of Wikidata stuff still needs to be done by the caller and is rather verbose (see [[f:Z35168|the main implementation]]). The niceties will come soon later once I know that it all works at a lower level, though. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 05:04, 15 May 2026 (UTC) ::So the problem now seems to be that when [[f:Z29825|label of Wikidata property in language (Z29825)]] isn't being faulty, it's being incredibly slow. Considering retrieving Wikidata items from their references seems to take, like, four to five seconds, and we'll have tens of statements in these infoboxes, I don't see how the property names could be retrieved in a way that doesn't cause the orchestrator to time out or hit a ratelimit. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 06:01, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :::I think I figured something out? I'm just going to try calling [[f:Z35036|fetch Wikidata property or parts (Z35036)]], it seems to be much faster for whatever reason. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 06:05, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :::It works now, a little rough around the edges, also very slow, but I think I'm mostly happy with it. Of course it would be great if all you needed to provide to the template function to get a label-statement row was the property reference itself, but I'm too sleep-deprived to figure that out at the moment. I made five bespoke functions specifically for this infobox, more than I would like, but it's probably not ''that'' bad. I'm just hoping I didn't duplicate any functionality in trying to make the composition less verbose and repetitive. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 07:15, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Wikifunctions & Abstract Wikipedia Newsletter #248 is out: A higher meaning == There is [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-05-15|a new update]] for Abstract Wikipedia and Wikifunctions. Please, come and read it! In this issue, we discuss functions creating language fragments, we present our latest news in Types, and we take a look at the latest software developments. Want to catch up with the previous updates? Check [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates|our archive]]! Enjoy the reading! -- [[User:Sannita (WMF)|User:Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 14:36, 15 May 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Sannita (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Wikifunctions_%26_Abstract_Wikipedia&oldid=30536976 --> == Translations == Yes, this question is probably easily answerable through a Web search, but I thought I'd ask here anyways. I am unfortunately not bilingual... I know Toki Pona, but it's a constructed language. I'd love to be a polyglot of some sorts but that is a future thing. I've been trying to translate pages into tok, for funsies mostly. At any rate, I want to convert some of the un-translated pages, namely Feeglgeef's policy drafts, into ones that can be translated (and then translate them into Toki Pona of course). I think I have to be a translation administrator for this? Which is a process that I'd have to ''apply'' for, and I doubt I have the credentials to be accepted for such a role. Regardless, is there a way I can go about this without having to do it through someone else? I can probably easily find documentation on marking pages for translation but I don't know how much I'm actually capable of doing as just a regular user. Should I apply? &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 14:15, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :Most of the process of preparing a page for translation can be done by any editor. See [[:mw:Help:Extension:Translate/Page translation example]]. :The step of marking a page or translation for the first time or after changes must be done by a translation administrator. :I recommend learning the <nowiki><translate> and <tvar></nowiki> syntax and using it on a few pages before applying for this permission. After you do it on a few pages, and you feel confident, and you want to do it more, you can ask for the permission. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 14:28, 20 May 2026 (UTC) ::Just to confirm, did I mark up [[Special:Diff/8138|this page]] for translation properly? I thought to give the hatnote its own <code>&lt;translate&gt;</code> enclosure so as to exclude the indent and italicization from needing to be included in the translatable text. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 15:10, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :::Mostly properly, but don't exclude <code><nowiki>''</nowiki></code> for italics from translation. It's generally a good idea to exclude complex markup from translation because it's hard for many people to type, and it usually stays the same in translation anyway. <code><nowiki>''</nowiki></code> for italics is different, however: it's very simple to type and familiar to most editors; italic letters are used differently in different languages, and in some languages they aren't used at all, so translators need the freedom to use them appropriately; this markup can also appear in the middle of a translation unit and not only in the ends. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 15:35, 20 May 2026 (UTC) ::::Thank you for the guidance. Should the italics be included if they are used over the entire hatnote? I figure that placement of italics should be left up to the discretion of the translators, but the hatnote itself is meant to be entirely italicized, I would think irrespective of the language it's in. Is this the right idea or should they still be kept within the translation unit? &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 15:45, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :::::Yes, italics should be included in the translation unit if they are used over the entire hatnote. Some languages don't use italic writing at all, so it shouldn't be forced. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 18:36, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :I'd support a translation administrator request ;), for reasons below. I'm not sure why we need a seperate translation administrator right, or why we have to call it an "administrator" (deciding that a page could be translated is a much less important role than, say, page deletion, or blocking). We picked three of them (well, one of them went through the WMF, so we picked two), [https://abstract.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Log?type=pagetranslation&user=&page=&excludetempacct=1&wpdate=&tagfilter=&wpfilters%5B%5D=newusers&wpFormIdentifier=logeventslist they don't appear very active, though], only marking 9 times this month, zero (0) of which were for pages marked for the first time. Both community translation admins used their global history and rights to get the role and only stop by occasionally, so having one who ''actually'' edits here would be nice. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 15:06, 20 May 2026 (UTC) ::This reply echos my philosophy of a sort of wiki-[[Q166005|xenophobia]] (the term xenophobia is probably too harsh, and I wouldn't consider myself one in real life, but it's the best word I can think of), I generally distrust users with a lot of global rights (both global sysop etc. and large amounts of local rights) who come make [[m:Metapedianism|metapedian]] contributions, not as people but to their ability to handle Wikifunctions and Abstract Wikipedia as incredibly unique and technically complex projects. I apologize if it my opinions come off as rude or ungrateful, I do appreciate the work of our translation administrators. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 15:26, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :::You don't bother me, it's fine. I think they definitely have a place, they can be useful and they usually are. Obviously local admins and what have you that earned their roles through the trust and reputation of the specific community they are in are going to occupy a more trusting position in my mind than a global sysop or global ''anything''. Specialized role members are good and healthy in the long term; I think we are giving these privileges to global users sparingly as the project is still in its infancy and as core contributors emerge and take up key positions we will have a more well-rounded and self-sustaining community with less global privileges needed to take up certain tasks. Wikifunctions probably needed some Foundation members or other staff to act as functioneers initially while the general community was still orienting themselves with WikiLambda and working on applying for the role, but now we have [[f:Special:ListUsers/functioneer|74(!) of them]] and the number of normal members using their specialized skills outnumbers those who were "grandfathered" in (for lack of a better term) or similar. The wiki is young—it just needs time. I myself have been considering applying for sysop privileges since they are obviously needed (there being exactly Zero of them at the moment); I've been weighing the pros and cons of such a commitment, it's obviously a lot to take up. I wish your sysop request went through, I think you would have made a great admin here. I'm unsure of what others think of my capabilities, I'm rather in-and-out around these social spaces so I don't know if there's much to go off of. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 15:55, 20 May 2026 (UTC) ::::Totally agree, and I'd support a sysopship request as well, though I'm apparently not good at assessing what the community considers supportable in admin candidate ;). ::::Off-topic, but interestingly, the sysop toolset allows you to grant yourself translation adminship. I'm not sure if sysops are expected not to grant themselves the permissions (kind of like how on enwiki 'crats are expected not grant themselves any rights without discussion despite having the technical rights), but I did it to myself on WF because [https://www.wikifunctions.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&logid=84940 another sysop had]. Additionally, the functioneer right [[Special:ListGroupRights#functioneer|exists on this wiki]], with the same rights on WF, despite all of them not doing anything on this wiki. I believe this is because, on the technical side, both AW and WF are powered by the same MediaWiki extension (Wikilambda), with one wiki set to a mode for abstract articles and another set to a mode for ZObjects. [https://dag.wikipedia.org/wiki/Di%C5%8B%27gahim:ListGroupRights#functioneer Checking the Dagbani Wikipedia] supports this theory. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 18:00, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :::::It always depends on the local policy. For Wikifunctions it is: ''Administrators do not need to undergo another discussion to become translation administrators; they can self-grant the rights to their account if necessary. Temporary administrators are not allowed to self-grant permanent translation administrator rights.'' :::::The availability of the functioneer right is a bug, see [[phab:T407066]]. --[[User:Ameisenigel|Ameisenigel]] ([[User talk:Ameisenigel|talk]]) 19:36, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :::If you don't consider yourself a xenophobe in real life, I would recommend not calling yourself that here, or anywhere really. Especially since it was the ideological capture during the 2010s of the Croatian-language Wikipedia [[w:hr:]] by actual xenophobes that was part of the impetus for Abstract Wikipedia according to [https://simia.net/wiki/Draft:_Collaborating_on_the_sum_of_all_knowledge_across_languages#A_look_on_some_south_Slavic_language_Wikipedias Denny's blog]. [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 22:10, 26 May 2026 (UTC) == Policy drafts == Hi all! I've written some draft policies and guidelines over the last few days. We're not a bureaucracy, so the point is not to set some rules but to kick off some discussions as to how our wiki will work. So far, I've created: * [[Abstract Wikipedia:Notability|a notability guideline]] * [[Abstract Wikipedia:Deletion policy|a deletion policy]] I've written them as my opinion on what should happen, but I'm hoping to align them with community consensus as we discuss them more. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 13:44, 21 May 2026 (UTC) == Wikifunctions & Abstract Wikipedia Newsletter #249 is out: Annual plan 2026-2027 == There is [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-05-23|a new update]] for Abstract Wikipedia and Wikifunctions. Please, come and read it! In this issue, we present you the current draft of objectives for Wikifunctions and Abstract Wikipedia in the WMF Annual Plan 2026-2027, and we take a look at the latest software developments. Want to catch up with the previous updates? Check [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates|our archive]]! Enjoy the reading! -- [[User:Sannita (WMF)|User:Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 09:48, 25 May 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Sannita (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Wikifunctions_%26_Abstract_Wikipedia&oldid=30536976 --> == To abstract Wikipedia or be the Abstract Wikipedia == There is a discussion happening about what the [[Abstract Wikipedia:Notability|notability criteria]] for Abstract Wikipedia should be, and in trying to participate I've found my idea of Abstract Wikipedia is awfully abstract. Is Abstract Wikipedia supposed to abstract Wikipedia, as in abstracting information from existing articles on the language Wikipedias (barring new contributions), or is it supposed to become the Abstract Wikipedia, supporting collaboration across all languages like it's the language Wikipedia to end all language Wikipedias (allowing new contributions)? I thought the answer would be obvious, but the name Abstract Wikipedia is a bit ambiguous. Am I missing something? [[User:Some helpful person|Some helpful person]] ([[User talk:Some helpful person|talk]]) 02:16, 27 May 2026 (UTC) :I think ({{ping|DVrandecic (WMF)|p=?}}) the idea is (and I personally prefer) the latter. I believe that, given the fact that it's much easier to write a concrete article than an abstract article, and the fact that the community of potential future contributors on enwiki is skeptical ''at best'', we ultimately will never expand beyond the size of other wikis, but I see no problem with allowing volunteers to add information not on other wikis (it's probably not the most effective, but they're volunteers, beggars can't be choosers), as long as it's not vandalism, useless, or promotional slop. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 02:31, 27 May 2026 (UTC) :@[[User:Some helpful person|Some helpful person]] Abstract Wikipedia is a Wikipedia, where people can collaborate across languages on articles, which can then be used to fill gaps in the existing Wikipedias. Whereas I expect that current Wikipedia articles might be used as a convenient starting point for many of the articles in Abstract Wikipedia, this is more a consequence of Wikipedia being one of the best places to go to to find reliable knowledge, but that is not part of how it is supposed to work. So, this is not to abstract the existing Wikipedias, but to collaborate on an Abstract Wikipedia. At no point is this meant to replace existing Wikipedias. (Thanks to @[[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] for the ping!) --[[User:DVrandecic (WMF)|DVrandecic (WMF)]] ([[User talk:DVrandecic (WMF)|talk]]) 17:01, 27 May 2026 (UTC) ::Thank you, this makes a lot more sense now. [[User:Some helpful person|Some helpful person]] ([[User talk:Some helpful person|talk]]) 21:52, 27 May 2026 (UTC) == template suggestion == Some way to mock abstract syntax on talk and project pages, analogous to those in [[d:category:format Template]]. [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 15:21, 27 May 2026 (UTC) :Hmm. I agree. :Workshopping ideas for how it works: :* Invokation: <nowiki>{{Call|Z26039|{"Z1K1": "Z18", "Z18K1": "Z825K1"}|{"Z1K1": "Z6091", "Z6091K1": "Q634"}|{"Z1K1": "Z18", "Z18K1": "Z825K1"}|lang=en}}</nowiki> :** This could then be suplemented by helper templates: <nowiki>{{Call|Z26039|{{Wikidata item argument reference}}|{{Wikidata item reference|Q634}}|{{Language argument reference}}}}</nowiki> :* This would result in "[[f:Z26039|subject is instance of (string)]] (wikidata item reference, [[d:Q634|planet]], language)" :** Icons are missing in this example, I'm not sure if we can actually add them :Thoughts? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 16:04, 27 May 2026 (UTC) == Marking NLG Default text == Some NLG functions give default texts, like [[f:Z33420|Z33420]] will give text like "Paris ∈ {city}". sometimes in other languages the English text is show. Currently there is no visual clue that these texts are not normal text in the requested language. I propose we mark these text with color <span style="color:magenta;">Paris ∈ {city}</span> with something like <nowiki><span style="color:magenta;">Paris ∈ {city}</span></nowiki>. To have this configurable/maintainable this could be included in a function, called NLG default text or so, with a text as input an a text in color as output. The exact formatting like magenta color or gray background or something else can be discussed/decided later. To have it even more configurable on personal stylesheets it could use a class like <nowiki><span class="NLG Default text">Paris ∈ {city}</span></nowiki>. What do you think? Could somebody make such a function already? [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 12:00, 29 May 2026 (UTC) :The are technically just monolingual texts in a language called "multiple languages". I threw a prototype together really quickly, [[f:Z35839]]. It will accept strings, monolingual texts, and html fragments as input, so you have to select which type you want. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 14:59, 29 May 2026 (UTC) ::OK, thanks, I added it to [[f:Z26039]] and works as expected, see [https://www.wikifunctions.org/wiki/Z26039?call=%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z7%22%2C%22Z7K1%22%3A%22Z26039%22%2C%22Z26039K1%22%3A%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z6091%22%2C%22Z6091K1%22%3A%22Q64%22%7D%2C%22Z26039K2%22%3A%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z6091%22%2C%22Z6091K1%22%3A%22Q515%22%7D%2C%22Z26039K3%22%3A%22Z1555%22%7D here]. The test for the function with default text now fails because it now is in magenta color. That was to be expected. I will leave the tests unchanged if that is OK with you, as we might need to change the exact formatting. ::Is it OK to add this to other NLG functions that produce default output? [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 15:59, 29 May 2026 (UTC) :::Sure, [[w:en:WP:Be bold|be bold]]! [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 20:50, 29 May 2026 (UTC) ::::Feeglgeef, I am struggling with the output. Can you have a look? [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 17:02, 30 May 2026 (UTC) :::::Can you link me to where? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 17:08, 30 May 2026 (UTC) ::::::{{Q|90}} in a language vls should give a magenta text. Instead it gives "Wikifunctions returned a failed response: Unspecified error". [[f:Z33422]] results "<span style="color: magenta;">Parys ∈ {stad}</span>" (as a string). [[f:Z26039]] also gives "<span style="color: magenta;">Parys ∈ {stad}</span>", but it's test [[f:Z33726]] gives an HTML equivalent, not a string. [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 17:59, 30 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::You shouldn't be returning HTML in string-typed functions. I'm not sure, then, how we implement your proposal, actually. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 18:54, 30 May 2026 (UTC) ::::::::I tried with [[f:Z35921]] but now the output is the literal text, and not HTML. Does anybody have an idea how to implement the text in a color? ::::::::Alternatively we could use texts like // Parys ∈ {stad} //. [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 16:51, 31 May 2026 (UTC) ::::::::: You need to output [[f:Z89|HTML fragment]], not String. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 17:16, 31 May 2026 (UTC) :I agree with the above that this should not be applied to functions which return strings or monolingual text. If anything, it might work to insert it into functions returning HTML. The most egregious problems I've seen are when I tried to render into an RTL language (e.g. Hebrew 0 try on [[Q408]]), and it spilled all the formatting all over the article. I will revert the change to the string default at [[:f:Z33421]], but suggest it is tested carefully if implemented elsewhere. In general I prefer just marking with spans rather than colours at this stage. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 04:49, 3 June 2026 (UTC) :: Perhaps mark with spans given a specific ID and then allow users to use a userscript/gadget to paint them magenta? That seems like the most considerate approach. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 05:12, 3 June 2026 (UTC) :::[[:f:Z32234]] suggests something like <code>span lang="mul"</code> or similar. [[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 05:20, 3 June 2026 (UTC) ::::I will (carefully) try some other alternatives, and use a personal class in my userscript for <nowiki><span class="NLG Default text"></nowiki>. [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 14:05, 4 June 2026 (UTC) ::::: If possible, can you use <nowiki><span lang="mul"></nowiki>? This would allow it to also catch some instances automatically. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 16:14, 4 June 2026 (UTC) ::::::I have done so, but how can I set my personal stylesheet to show color magenta with <nowiki><span lang="mul"></nowiki>? [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 22:20, 4 June 2026 (UTC) ::::::: try adding this to [[Special:MyPage/common.css]]: ::::::: [lang="mul"] {<br> color: magenta;<br> } [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 23:48, 4 June 2026 (UTC) == Ratification of the deletion policy proposal? == I haven't seen any unresolved objections to my proposal for a [[Abstract Wikipedia:Deletion policy|policy for deletion]]. Does anybody have any issues, and, if not, is it ok to ratify as an actual policy? I intend to remove the draft template and replace it with a policy template unless anyone voices any objection within a week. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 20:55, 29 May 2026 (UTC) :Is it just me or does [[Abstract Wikipedia:Deletion policy#Reasons for deletion]] render blank with only number bullets without the actual text after ''1.'' or ''2.''? [[User:Bunnypranav|Bunnypranav]] ([[User talk:Bunnypranav|talk]]) 07:13, 30 May 2026 (UTC) ::I see text. ―[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''<span style="color:black">v</span>f</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 07:49, 30 May 2026 (UTC) :::I can see on my phone, but it goes blank on my laptop. What is the role of ''<nowiki><span class="anchor" id="1"></nowiki>''? [[User:Bunnypranav|Bunnypranav]] ([[User talk:Bunnypranav|talk]]) 12:15, 30 May 2026 (UTC) ::::{{ping|Bunnypranav}} I can see the text everywhere (I tested connected and not connected, on my phone, laptop, with Chrome or Firefox ; what system do you use?). As the name suggest, the span anchor is here to create an HTML anchor, so you can do link like [[Abstract_Wikipedia:Deletion_policy#7]]. Cheers, [[User:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[User talk:VIGNERON|talk]]) 13:49, 30 May 2026 (UTC) :::::I'm on Brave browser. Nevertheless, forget it. The culprit might be some random customization I did to my system which I cannot recollect. The reason is the span tag only though, tried a preview kicking out a text to just outside the tag and it worked. [[User:Bunnypranav|Bunnypranav]] ([[User talk:Bunnypranav|talk]]) 14:23, 30 May 2026 (UTC) :Globally, it looks fine. I think that reasons 7 and 8 may need some examples/clarifications. There is no global consensus when it comes to creating categories. For example, categories for building interiors and exteriors. Personally, I feel that they are useful for easier discoverability. [[User:Jsamwrites|John Samuel]] ([[User:Jsamwrites|talk]]) 15:39, 30 May 2026 (UTC) ::I've copied them over from enwiki. They're probably included in "content otherwise not suited for an encyclopedia." Since sysops can't speedy them, it'd be up to commenters on [[Abstract:RFD]] to determine. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 16:48, 30 May 2026 (UTC) == Wikifunctions & Abstract Wikipedia Newsletter #250 is out: Looking back and forward == There is [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-05-30|a new update]] for Abstract Wikipedia and Wikifunctions. Please, come and read it! In this issue, we present you a recollection of our work so far, now that we celebrate our 250th newsletter, we share with you a summary of our latest outreach activities, and we take a look at the latest software developments. Want to catch up with the previous updates? Check [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates|our archive]]! Enjoy the reading! -- [[User:Sannita (WMF)|User:Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 10:04, 1 June 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Sannita (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Wikifunctions_%26_Abstract_Wikipedia&oldid=30606821 --> oze799v0w9ihtjzdvj6d1v41jtk407j 9611 9608 2026-06-04T23:54:14Z Feeglgeef 36 /* Yet another suggested function proposal */ new topic ([[mw:c:Special:MyLanguage/User:JWBTH/CD|CD]]) 9611 wikitext text/x-wiki {{#ifexist:Abstract Wikipedia:Project chat/Header/{{USERLANGUAGE}}|{{/Header/{{USERLANGUAGE}}}}|{{/Header}}}} {{/Archives}} <!-- Add your discussion below this line --> == Why don't we just structure this with wikitemplates? == I feel like the project could be done a lot better by using templates kind of like how wikipedia does them. Just the entire thing is templates that can be rendered in many languages. So like [[Q106289265]] would have the content <nowiki>{{Z26039|Q7257}}</nowiki> and could even have some aliasing done across languages so it could be <nowiki>{{subject is|Q7257}}</nowiki>. Code would be editable with a regular visual editor or code editor. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 04:34, 29 March 2026 (UTC) :This is available in pages when Parsoid rendering is enabled. We don't use this becuase it doesn't make sense for constructing and editing massive articles. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 21:37, 29 March 2026 (UTC) ::How do you do parsoid rendering? And why wouldn't it make sense? With aliases and everything could work great. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 23:12, 29 March 2026 (UTC) :::I believe it is enabled by default. If you do have it on: {{#function:Z10000|you'll s|ee this}} [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 14:54, 30 March 2026 (UTC) :you may be interested in reading this old [[m:Abstract_Wikipedia/Google.org_Fellows_evaluation|Google report]]. [[User:BrokenSegue|BrokenSegue]] ([[User talk:BrokenSegue|talk]]) 14:32, 9 May 2026 (UTC) == Why the editing API doesn't work == {{tracked|T423542}} Immanuelle wrongly stated that there is no REST API for editing. [[#REST API for editing?|There is]]. However, it does not work when called from software outside Abstract Wikipedia. That is because there is no way to grant a bot password or OAuth customer the permission to edit abstract articles (<code>wikilambda-abstract-edit</code>) and create them (<code>wikilambda-abstract-create</code>), since no grant on [[Special:ListGrants]] includes either. Should this be fixed? [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 01:57, 26 April 2026 (UTC) :Yes I think the rights should be added. I think the number of automated edits should be low at the moment as Abstract Wikipedia is still in an early phase and so far there is not much support for small languages and so many functions will maybe change to cover more languages. As automatic editing using a Bot Account requires an formal request it is no problem if the option exists. [[User:Hogü-456|Hogü-456]] ([[User talk:Hogü-456|talk]]) 18:17, 26 April 2026 (UTC) :Sounds good to me. Could we add a bot section to [[Abstract Wikipedia:Requests for permissions]]? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 23:35, 5 May 2026 (UTC) ::[[Abstract_Wikipedia:Requests_for_permissions#Bot]] ―[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''<span style="color:black">v</span>f</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 23:56, 5 May 2026 (UTC) :not currently possible :((((( [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 14:46, 30 April 2026 (UTC) :Feeglgeef is correct, past tense sentence generation is something we are sorely lacking at the moment. If you look at [[f:WF:Type proposals#Representing abstract content|Wikifunctions' type proposals]] you can see some initiatives that could hopefully mitigate this. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 13:49, 1 May 2026 (UTC) == Spaces between sentences, another attempt == [[Abstract Wikipedia:Project chat#Extra spaces between sentences|A month ago]], @[[User:内存溢出的猫|内存溢出的猫]]<ref group="spaces3>According to Google Translate, it's pronounced "Nèicún yìchū de māo". Please correct me if it's wrong. When I write, I want to know how are things that I write pronounced aloud, and very unfortunately, I never learned to read Chinese characters, and even if I did, most English speakers probably didn't. Come to think of it, is there a function that ''reliably'' transliterates Chinese characters?</ref> That discussion doesn't seem to have yielded any fixes or meaningful discussions, at least not that I can see. [[Abstract Wikipedia:Project chat#Spaces between sentences|Two weeks ago]], I tried to bring up a similar topic, but that discussion somehow got derailed and also didn't yield anything useful. Now, the problem looks differently, but it's still a problem. When I look at [[Q10251]], for example, what I see is four sentences that ''appear'' with ''no'' spaces between them. Not one, not two—none at all. It looks like this: :Plasma is a fundamental state of matter.Plasma is a classical state of matter.A plasma is a gas.A plasma is a matter. Note that I emphasized ''appear'': When I see them rendered on the screen, they have no spaces between them. In the HTML, however, they are represented as four <code><nowiki><div></nowiki></code>s, and their inline positioning is handled by CSS. This means, for example, that if I copy and paste them, I don't get a long string with no spaces after full stops, but four sentences with a single line break after each full stop: <poem> Plasma is a fundamental state of matter. Plasma is a classical state of matter. A plasma is a gas. A plasma is a matter. </poem> This is not how it is supposed to be done. <code><nowiki><div></nowiki></code>s are supposed to be used for block elements and not hacked into appearing as if they are inline (also known as phrasing). Spaces between sentences are supposed to be real characters rather than HTML and CSS tricks, they may be different in different languages, and in some languages they may be nothing at all. I hope that the definition of the problem is clear. <references group="spaces3"></references> [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 12:49, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :Hi, have a look at it [[Special:PermanentLink/7132|now]]. Does this match your expectations? I think it's not rendering right now for whatever reason, but there are other examples of it being done this way that you can see: [[Q241691]]. The article renders properly in both English (spaces between sentences) and Japanese (no spaces at all). : :'''English:''' :<blockquote>Programmed Data Processor is a computer model series by Digital Equipment Corporation. PDP-8 is a Programmed Data Processor.</blockquote> :'''Japanese:''' :<blockquote>PDPシリーズはディジタル・イクイップメント・コーポレーションによるコンピュータ・モデル・シリーズである。PDP-8はPDPシリーズである。</blockquote> : :I have some, err, strong opinions about [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]]'s 「Abstract Wikipedia Editor」 tool, which is the predominant cause for all of these very janky and poorly-laid-out articles that you see. This is not how an article ought to be written on Abstract Wikipedia, and I and other editors are aware of this. If you see these problems, please do fix them! The wiki will be all the better for it. : :In the absence of consensus on such things as these (and awaiting any official policy pages) I have written [[f:User:Theki/best practices]] on my Wikifunctions userpage. You are welcome to read it if you wish. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 17:20, 2 May 2026 (UTC) ::The output of [[Q241691]] looks OK to me in this regard. How was it done? ::[[Q10251]] gives me an error. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 18:10, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :::WikiLambda is doing WikiLambda things. This WASI time limit error happens intermittently on Abstract Wikipedia articles and it usually goes away after a short while. The only thing is that it doesn't really seem like purging these articles does anything to force the orchestrator to retry its evaluation so the article might not render that paragraph until someone comes in and pokes at it by editing it somehow. ::: :::The working article uses the [[f:Z33068|''paragraph from sentences'']] function to lay out its individual sentence content. This function automatically handles converting any and all text-like objects (strings, HTML fragments, and monolingual text) to a consistent form, so sentence fragments can all be supplied verbatim to its list input. When the function is putting the sentences together it defaults to using a single space to separate them, but first checks if the requested language is in the [[f:Z33984|''languages without spaces between sentences'']] list. If it is, it doesn't add spaces at all, and just concatenates the sentences normally. I hope this explanation makes sense. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 18:19, 2 May 2026 (UTC) ::::It makes some sense, but earlier, you suggested: "If you see these problems, please do fix them", and I'm not entirely sure how to do it. How would I fix it in [[Q100]], for example? [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 19:41, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :::::In this case you would do the following: :::::# At the bottom, click the plus and then 「Add empty fragment」. :::::# Set the function to [[f:Z33068]], as mentioned earlier. :::::# Now go through each sentence fragment, find the innermost sentence-generation function, click on the three dots, and copy it. Do not copy the calls to [[f:Z29749]] or similar, these are not necessary. :::::# Go to the ''paragraph with sentences'' function call and add an element to the list. :::::# Click on the three dots next to the new element, and paste in the earlier sentence fragment. :::::# You can now delete the original fragment and repeat the process in the same list for the one after it. :::::&mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 19:46, 2 May 2026 (UTC) ::@[[User:Theki|Theki]] I intend on fixing it, I recently made an attempt but the suggested fixes made problems worse. Do you have any practical suggestions of how to structure the templates? I will try to implement them when I have more time. ::Also your name is very confusing, are you in the process of getting it changed wiki-wide? [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 22:36, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :::Um, are you referring to my signature not matching my wiki username? I have considered for a long time changing it from ''theki'', but I don't feel like putting in the effort when it seems to be perfectly ignorable for most people. The user 「''Rae''」 can't be usurped because they made, like, two or three articles on the Persian Wikipedia two decades ago or something, I don't know. If that weren't the case I would be User:Rae right now but after that failed to go through I just decided to stop bothering. Maybe at some point I'll come up with a username I'm happy with keeping for the foreseeable future but I have other concerns at the moment. :::Could you explain how your attempted fixes 「made problems worse」? Presently I side with Feeglgeef's sentiments and prefer to wait for abstract content to actually be feasible to make on a reasonably descriptive scale (see: the type proposals) before I go around making articles willy-nilly, which is what AWE has been doing—making a bunch of pretty low-quality articles on a massive scale when it probably ''really'' would have been better to, err, hold off on that. :::And I honestly know very little about the actual workings of your editor, I don't really use it nor am I familiar with its template syntax or whatever it may use, so I'm going to look over how it actually works and then get back to you on that. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 23:28, 2 May 2026 (UTC) ::::Using this [[f:Z33068]] made things worse [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 00:44, 3 May 2026 (UTC) :::::That did not go through correctly but I do not think we have a proper thing for it. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 00:45, 3 May 2026 (UTC) ::::::What? Could you elaborate? &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 01:00, 3 May 2026 (UTC) ::::::{{ping|Immanuelle}} I checked. Your issue is that your editor is not providing the article language to Z33068K2; that is, the ''paragraph from sentences'' function has a second argument, and your editor was omitting it. If you properly specify it, it will work. Please, next time, actually tell me what went wrong instead of going quiet and forcing me to look after it myself. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 17:06, 4 May 2026 (UTC) :I avoid [[f:Z33068]] for now, because executing a whole paragraph in a single call would often time out. So my current alternative is inserting [[f:Z35672]] between sentences. Fairly clunky, but it works... --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 06:08, 28 May 2026 (UTC) ::Can you categorize the talk pages of articles you're doing that with? It has major accessibility concerns for our friends using screen readers, so it'd be nice to be able to find those with issues when were able to fix the calls [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 21:50, 28 May 2026 (UTC) :::I think the new tool can show us this (via dumps). For example, here are the uses of 'paragraph': https://abstract-data.toolforge.org/zid/Z32123 --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 23:07, 28 May 2026 (UTC) ::::There's more than one way to not use spaces correctly and more than one way to use spaces correctly, this wouldn't catch all of them. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 23:13, 28 May 2026 (UTC) :::::I'm not totally sure what you want to track, but I'm confident that this will find all my uses. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 02:10, 29 May 2026 (UTC) ::::I think it slipped past everyone's notice, but I made a template for linking to that sort of information @ [[Template:Zd|<nowiki>{{</nowiki>zd<nowiki>}}</nowiki>]]. {{zd|Z35672|sentence separator}} <span style="font-size:smaller;opacity:0.8">(I don't think the database dumps have noticed the function you're using yet, so it's a 404 at the moment.)</span> &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 01:09, 29 May 2026 (UTC) ===Easier solution?=== Maybe a much easier solution would be to replace the "." after each sentence with ". " (a full stop and a space). The paragraghs might add an extra space, but that is displayed as one by the browser. [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) ==Wiktionary integration== I was trying out a few functions recently, such as [https://www.wikifunctions.org/view/en/Z27243 the new superlative function], and I noticed that ''every adjective'' has to be a Wikidata item. For example, I couldn't type in the inputs "Bugatti Veyron", "fast", "Earth" because "fast" as an adjective is not a Wikidata item. This doesn't really make sense, given that Wiktionary already has the word for "fast" and its superlative form in many different languages. Would it be possible to integrate Wiktionary into the function, so the user can type an adjective or verb from Wiktionary instead of having to deal with Wikidata (which consists almost entirely of nouns)? [[User:Somepinkdude|Somepinkdude]] ([[User talk:Somepinkdude|talk]]) 16:49, 6 May 2026 (UTC) :No, sadly. I would try "speed" as the adjective, though, you have to use abstract qualities instead of concrete English terms. [[File:Wikifunctions Superlative speed example.png|thumb|Here's an example of the word being used.]] [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 18:02, 6 May 2026 (UTC) :Wikidata has standard items as well as lexeme data, so if anything, we should try to integrate those. E.g. [[:d:Lexeme:L1029]]. ―[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''<span style="color:black">v</span>f</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 19:48, 6 May 2026 (UTC) ::I tried this, and it gave "Bugatti Veyron is the speedest car on Earth", which is laughably bad. The problem is that Wikidata does not "know" what the superlative form is, while Wiktionary does. Speed is a fairly common descriptor, but what about less common adjectives which aren't on Wikidata? Will there need to be a bot to copy all of this information from Wiktionary? [[User:Somepinkdude|Somepinkdude]] ([[User talk:Somepinkdude|talk]]) 22:14, 6 May 2026 (UTC) :::I'm not suggesting that the functionality works <em>now</em>, but that we need to integrate the funcationality. ―[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''<span style="color:black">v</span>f</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 22:17, 6 May 2026 (UTC) :::Well, no, the superlative form is chosen by [[f:Z12203]]. I think there's a bug with the English implementation that calls that function wrong. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 22:19, 6 May 2026 (UTC) :@[[User:Somepinkdude|Somepinkdude]] I did find the item {{Q|Q19807466}} which was linked to a concept database's entry for "fast"; I have at least linked it to the English lexeme "fast" and will try to add more links at a better hour. [[User:Mahir256|Mahir256]] ([[User talk:Mahir256|talk]]) 04:18, 7 May 2026 (UTC) == Showcase == I was wondering if there's a curated list of decent articles to learn by example here on Abstract Wikipedia? [[User:Fgnievinski|Fgnievinski]] ([[User talk:Fgnievinski|talk]]) 02:02, 8 May 2026 (UTC) :Unfortunately not, and, honestly, I wouldn't recommend article creation at the moment, it's likely to need significant refactoring as the way we represent abstract content changes, but, I can point you to [[Q668]] as a reasonably good example at the moment. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 02:39, 8 May 2026 (UTC) ::Thank you. "308 languages" blew my mind – well done! [[User:Fgnievinski|Fgnievinski]] ([[User talk:Fgnievinski|talk]]) 02:54, 8 May 2026 (UTC) :::308 is the number of ''concrete'' Wikipedias in which a manually-written article about India is available. :::The abstract article renders for me in English as "India is a country in Asia. India is a republic. New Delhi is the capital of India. India is the most populous country in world." Switching to another language to get rendered as an abstract article is done by typing the language's name in the box above the rendered text. I tried French, German, and Dutch, and got errors in all of them. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 03:12, 8 May 2026 (UTC) ::::So it goes. The paragraph has quite a lot of distinct sentence generation functions, all of which of course have to be implemented in the target language. This will be rounded out once we're able to more effectively generalize linguistic content. I view these functions as sort of patchy temporary solutions to the sentence generation problem while we figure out something more robust, which I hope is soon to come. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 04:15, 8 May 2026 (UTC) == Wikifunctions & Abstract Wikipedia Newsletter #247 is out: References from Wikidata now available == There is [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-05-08|a new update]] for Abstract Wikipedia and Wikifunctions. Please, come and read it! In this issue, we announce that is now possible to pass references in Wikidata statements, we introduce the [https://abstract-data.toolforge.org/ Abstract Data dashboard], we report you on the presentation about Abstract Wikipedia at WikiCon Australia, and we take a look at the latest software developments. Want to catch up with the previous updates? Check [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates|our archive]]! Also, we remind you that if you have questions or ideas to discuss, the next '''Volunteers' Corner''' will be held on '''[https://zonestamp.toolforge.org/1778520600 May 11, at 17:30 UTC]''' ([https://meet.google.com/xuy-njxh-rkw link to the meeting]). Enjoy the reading! -- [[User:Sannita (WMF)|User:Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 11:16, 8 May 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Sannita (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Wikifunctions_%26_Abstract_Wikipedia&oldid=30325620 --> == about the usage of Z33068 == The use of [[f:Z33068]] (en: paragraph from sentences) <s>always</s> most of the time results in the error "Reached time limit in orchestrator." So should it be used at all for now, temporarily? Or maybe there are already some tickets about this that I am not aware of? -- [[User:Asked42|Asked42]] ([[User talk:Asked42|talk]]) 18:23, 10 May 2026 (UTC) :It previously worked, so I'm hoping whatever the issue is will be fixed soon. The current state of the wiki makes [[m:Immediatism|immediatism]] an illogical philosophy to have at the moment, in my opinion. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 20:16, 10 May 2026 (UTC) ::This issue seems to no longer exist, you might need to clear the cache by making a dummy edit on affected articles. I implemented the function in Python (instead of composition), which has increased the speed by about 2000 ms. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 04:31, 11 May 2026 (UTC) :::Seems like working. Thank you. -- [[User:Asked42|Asked42]] ([[User talk:Asked42|talk]]) 19:06, 11 May 2026 (UTC) == Manual of Style == I've created a [[Abstract Wikipedia:Manual of Style|draft for a Manual of Style]]. Please feel free to comment on or make bold edits to the page. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 03:29, 11 May 2026 (UTC) :Thank you! That’s great and I’ll look at it more soon. I’m still taking a bit of a wikibreak. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 22:32, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :Is there anything I've written [[f:User:Theki/best_practices#Abstract_Wikipedia|here]] that you think would make for a good technical section of the page? &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 00:04, 15 May 2026 (UTC) ::I've added some of them. Thank you for your list of best practices by the way, I generally agree with them (I can't endorse connecting WD items currently in hope of a better technical solution, but otherwise I do). [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 00:58, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Proposals on the architecture of Abstract Content rendering == Starting from a discussion born on the Wikifunctions Telegram chat, I've explained two different proposals on how the NLG on Abstract Wikipedia should be organized in the page [[User:Dv103/Abstract articles architectures]]. Please come to contribute to the discussion, or to propose alternatives. [[User:Dv103|Dv103]] ([[User talk:Dv103|talk]]) 14:32, 11 May 2026 (UTC) == [[MediaWiki:Wikimedia-copyright-footer]] == The copyright message has a few issues, mainly that it does not address abstract content (which is not "text"), nor object labels (which are under CC0). Proposed text: "<nowiki> Text and abstract content are available under the [https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/ Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License]; the labels of objects from [[f:|Wikifunctions]] are available under the [https://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/ Creative Commons CC0 License]; additional terms may apply. See [https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Policy:Terms_of_Use Terms of Use] for details. </nowiki>" Which, when rendered, looks like: Text and abstract content are available under the [https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/ Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License]; the labels of objects from [[f:|Wikifunctions]] are available under the [https://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/ Creative Commons CC0 License]; additional terms may apply. See [https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Policy:Terms_of_Use Terms of Use] for details. The message is somewhat inspired by the current one and WF's. Thoughts? Thank you! [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 13:30, 12 May 2026 (UTC) :@[[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]]: As you probably imagine, this text is very tightly controlled by the Wikimedia Foundation's Legal department. I think the first port of call should be a discussion about why you might want to change things, rather than a rush to specific re-wordings, before approaching them for sign-off. [[User:Jdforrester (WMF)|Jdforrester (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Jdforrester (WMF)|talk]]) 14:28, 12 May 2026 (UTC) ::Well I briefly summarized my justification, my proposed text was just an idea for a starting point. Basically, the abstract content is not really "text", so the footer doesn't actually tell the reader what they're allowed to do with it, and I argue that the current wording implies that the labels are licensed under CC-BY-SA 4, when they aren't. I think a change is critical as otherwise we're not showing the reader a license, or, arguably, in the case of labels, showing users a license that ''does not apply'', which is a pretty bad thing. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 14:51, 12 May 2026 (UTC) == [[MediaWiki:AbstractWikiSuggestedWikifunctions.json]] == I'd think we should add [[f:Z33068]] here. The function allows you to form a paragraph out of sentences and handles languages having different standards of whether to add a space between them, and adding it here would make finding it easier. I'm not sure what policy we want to have for the suggested functions, this idea might help formulate it. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 16:06, 12 May 2026 (UTC) :[[User:Jdforrester (WMF)]] tells me the page has been changed to [[Special:CommunityConfiguration/AbstractWikiSuggestedWikifunctions]] on the telegram. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 16:25, 12 May 2026 (UTC) ::@[[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]]: Yup, see the weekly update on [[f:Wikifunctions:Status_updates/2026-05-02|2026-05-02]]. [[User:Jdforrester (WMF)|Jdforrester (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Jdforrester (WMF)|talk]]) 16:35, 12 May 2026 (UTC) :I also believe Z33068 should be added to the list. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 17:25, 12 May 2026 (UTC) {{done}} see [[Special:Diff/7692]]. Cheers, [[User:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[User talk:VIGNERON|talk]]) 09:08, 20 May 2026 (UTC) == Abstract Wikipedia statistics site source code == https://abstract-data.toolforge.org/ is a very useful tool, but it doesn't seem to have anything pointing to the location of its source code. Is it closed-source or unfree? While I'm at it I feel I should suggest having language pages' paths formatted differently from how they are currently—at the moment it's <code>/languages/Toki%20Pona</code> when something like <code>/languages/tok</code> would be more suitable. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; : See [[:gitlab:toolforge-repos/abstract-data]]. Also pinging {{ping|DSantamaria-WMF|p=}} (thanks for the tool, by the way). [[User:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|<span class="skin-invert" style="color:black;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:110%;font-weight:normal;line-height:normal">NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh</span>]] 00:25, 13 May 2026 (UTC) ::Thank you. I think a link to that repository should be put in a footer somewhere on the website as I wouldn't have found that if not for you. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 02:30, 13 May 2026 (UTC) :::{{ping|Theki}} For the record, I found that repo by searching for "abstract-data" on [[:toolhub:|Toolhub]]. [[User:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|<span class="skin-invert" style="color:black;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:110%;font-weight:normal;line-height:normal">NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh</span>]] 03:34, 13 May 2026 (UTC) :::Thanks for the feedback and the report, fixed both things, we have now the link to the repo in the side bar footer, and also the language codes are used in the URLs. Thanks! [[User:DSantamaria-WMF|DSantamaria-WMF]] ([[User talk:DSantamaria-WMF|talk]]) 11:46, 13 May 2026 (UTC) ::::Are you particularly attached to keeping country flag emojis next to the language names? Some consider it an [https://flagsarenotlanguages.com/blog anti-pattern]. [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 16:17, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::I think the use of flags is not really harmful since this is not a ''language selector'', it is just a list of languages. Of course not every language has an associated flag, for example Latin, which does look a bit awkward, but it can't be helped. Maybe give languages without a flag a unique icon from Wikimedia Commons? e.g. <div style="display:inline-flex;align-items:center;border:1px solid #0002;border-radius:4px;gap:4px;padding:4px;">[[File:Toki pona.svg|16px]] Toki Pona</div> instead of <div style="display:inline-flex;align-items:center;border:1px solid #0002;border-radius:4px;gap:4px;padding:4px;"><span>🌐</span>Toki Pona</div>. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 16:37, 14 May 2026 (UTC) ::::::I thought I saw 🏛️ being used for Latin earlier. But of course, as far as the Unicode Consortium is concerned, [[Q65300415|🇬🇧]] doesn't mean '[[Q1680|English]]', no more than [[Q100587670|🏳️‍🌈]] means '[[Q1359130|Polari]]'; technically, it doesn't even mean '[[Q145|United Kingdom]]', just the letters 🇺 and 🇰 next to each other (which linguistically would indicate [[Q8798|Ukrainian]] in ISO 639, but these are 'regional indicator symbols'). [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 17:21, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::As seems (from this comment and also [[f:User_talk:DSantamaria-WMF#c-%E9%AD%94%E7%90%B4-20260513063700-Country_flags_in_abstract-data|others' comments]]) that flags are a little bit controversial, I just removed them, IMHO it was just an aesthetic concept, I like the look and feel that flags bring to the language labels, but happy to remove them if make some people feel uncomfortable with the concept. [[User:DSantamaria-WMF|DSantamaria-WMF]] ([[User talk:DSantamaria-WMF|talk]]) 05:54, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Make it more user Friendly == Make it more user-friendly by adding drag-and-drop compenots and one click additions, and make it similar to a visual macro buidler. [[User:ChippyTechGH|ChippyTechGH]] ([[User talk:ChippyTechGH|talk]]) 01:00, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :Could you file something like this on [[phab:|phabricator]]? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 01:01, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Person infoboxes == Hi all, I've just created [[f:Z35167|infobox for person (Z35167)]]. All it can really do presently is display the name of the person in the chosen language and in the person's native language, but it's a good start. I started writing it as a composition but chose to switch to writing it in JavaScript instead, which ended up being less headache-inducing (managing a large list of strings to concatenate together is not fun, plus compositions bring lots of additional overhead). Unfortunately, this means that the actual ''useful'' parts of the infobox—the information about the person themself—is not really doable. I'd need to dereference the Wikidata property references to get their label in the requested language, but since they're references and I'm working with code, not compositions, I can't just call [[f:Z6822|fetch Wikidata property (Z6822)]] and be done with it. If there's a WikiLambda API to do this inside of the JS itself that would be great and would solve everything, but at the moment that alone is what's holding it back, or so it seems. I can get the actual ''values'' of statements just fine, though. If I am missing some amazing WikiLambda API function that will solve this problem for me by letting me dereference the PID, then please let me know because that would be great. If you want to look at an example of the infobox right meow, you can view [https://abstract.wikipedia.org/view/tok/Q317521 Q317521 in Toki Pona] and see how it states Musk's name in both Toki Pona ''and'' his native English name. COOL! My hope is that this can be made less barebones in the near future. Infoboxes are a great way to get quick information on a subject and can fill in the informational gaps in the presently sparse articles we have at the moment, all while staying in the user's requested language. Feedback is appreciated! &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 02:58, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :Thank you for this! I wonder if perhaps it would be better to create one "infobox" function and then have compositions call that, making wd retrival possible? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 03:38, 15 May 2026 (UTC) ::Working on that at the moment, I think I've got it working but I'm hitting a ratelimit in the orchestrator so I don't know for sure. The main issue with it now is that the actual [[f:Z35175|infobox template (Z35175)]] wrapper was programmed in JS so as to not be a pain in the ass, so this means that it can only take in strings, HTML fragments, etc. so the retrieval of Wikidata stuff still needs to be done by the caller and is rather verbose (see [[f:Z35168|the main implementation]]). The niceties will come soon later once I know that it all works at a lower level, though. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 05:04, 15 May 2026 (UTC) ::So the problem now seems to be that when [[f:Z29825|label of Wikidata property in language (Z29825)]] isn't being faulty, it's being incredibly slow. Considering retrieving Wikidata items from their references seems to take, like, four to five seconds, and we'll have tens of statements in these infoboxes, I don't see how the property names could be retrieved in a way that doesn't cause the orchestrator to time out or hit a ratelimit. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 06:01, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :::I think I figured something out? I'm just going to try calling [[f:Z35036|fetch Wikidata property or parts (Z35036)]], it seems to be much faster for whatever reason. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 06:05, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :::It works now, a little rough around the edges, also very slow, but I think I'm mostly happy with it. Of course it would be great if all you needed to provide to the template function to get a label-statement row was the property reference itself, but I'm too sleep-deprived to figure that out at the moment. I made five bespoke functions specifically for this infobox, more than I would like, but it's probably not ''that'' bad. I'm just hoping I didn't duplicate any functionality in trying to make the composition less verbose and repetitive. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 07:15, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Wikifunctions & Abstract Wikipedia Newsletter #248 is out: A higher meaning == There is [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-05-15|a new update]] for Abstract Wikipedia and Wikifunctions. Please, come and read it! In this issue, we discuss functions creating language fragments, we present our latest news in Types, and we take a look at the latest software developments. Want to catch up with the previous updates? Check [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates|our archive]]! Enjoy the reading! -- [[User:Sannita (WMF)|User:Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 14:36, 15 May 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Sannita (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Wikifunctions_%26_Abstract_Wikipedia&oldid=30536976 --> == Translations == Yes, this question is probably easily answerable through a Web search, but I thought I'd ask here anyways. I am unfortunately not bilingual... I know Toki Pona, but it's a constructed language. I'd love to be a polyglot of some sorts but that is a future thing. I've been trying to translate pages into tok, for funsies mostly. At any rate, I want to convert some of the un-translated pages, namely Feeglgeef's policy drafts, into ones that can be translated (and then translate them into Toki Pona of course). I think I have to be a translation administrator for this? Which is a process that I'd have to ''apply'' for, and I doubt I have the credentials to be accepted for such a role. Regardless, is there a way I can go about this without having to do it through someone else? I can probably easily find documentation on marking pages for translation but I don't know how much I'm actually capable of doing as just a regular user. Should I apply? &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 14:15, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :Most of the process of preparing a page for translation can be done by any editor. See [[:mw:Help:Extension:Translate/Page translation example]]. :The step of marking a page or translation for the first time or after changes must be done by a translation administrator. :I recommend learning the <nowiki><translate> and <tvar></nowiki> syntax and using it on a few pages before applying for this permission. After you do it on a few pages, and you feel confident, and you want to do it more, you can ask for the permission. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 14:28, 20 May 2026 (UTC) ::Just to confirm, did I mark up [[Special:Diff/8138|this page]] for translation properly? I thought to give the hatnote its own <code>&lt;translate&gt;</code> enclosure so as to exclude the indent and italicization from needing to be included in the translatable text. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 15:10, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :::Mostly properly, but don't exclude <code><nowiki>''</nowiki></code> for italics from translation. It's generally a good idea to exclude complex markup from translation because it's hard for many people to type, and it usually stays the same in translation anyway. <code><nowiki>''</nowiki></code> for italics is different, however: it's very simple to type and familiar to most editors; italic letters are used differently in different languages, and in some languages they aren't used at all, so translators need the freedom to use them appropriately; this markup can also appear in the middle of a translation unit and not only in the ends. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 15:35, 20 May 2026 (UTC) ::::Thank you for the guidance. Should the italics be included if they are used over the entire hatnote? I figure that placement of italics should be left up to the discretion of the translators, but the hatnote itself is meant to be entirely italicized, I would think irrespective of the language it's in. Is this the right idea or should they still be kept within the translation unit? &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 15:45, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :::::Yes, italics should be included in the translation unit if they are used over the entire hatnote. Some languages don't use italic writing at all, so it shouldn't be forced. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 18:36, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :I'd support a translation administrator request ;), for reasons below. I'm not sure why we need a seperate translation administrator right, or why we have to call it an "administrator" (deciding that a page could be translated is a much less important role than, say, page deletion, or blocking). We picked three of them (well, one of them went through the WMF, so we picked two), [https://abstract.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Log?type=pagetranslation&user=&page=&excludetempacct=1&wpdate=&tagfilter=&wpfilters%5B%5D=newusers&wpFormIdentifier=logeventslist they don't appear very active, though], only marking 9 times this month, zero (0) of which were for pages marked for the first time. Both community translation admins used their global history and rights to get the role and only stop by occasionally, so having one who ''actually'' edits here would be nice. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 15:06, 20 May 2026 (UTC) ::This reply echos my philosophy of a sort of wiki-[[Q166005|xenophobia]] (the term xenophobia is probably too harsh, and I wouldn't consider myself one in real life, but it's the best word I can think of), I generally distrust users with a lot of global rights (both global sysop etc. and large amounts of local rights) who come make [[m:Metapedianism|metapedian]] contributions, not as people but to their ability to handle Wikifunctions and Abstract Wikipedia as incredibly unique and technically complex projects. I apologize if it my opinions come off as rude or ungrateful, I do appreciate the work of our translation administrators. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 15:26, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :::You don't bother me, it's fine. I think they definitely have a place, they can be useful and they usually are. Obviously local admins and what have you that earned their roles through the trust and reputation of the specific community they are in are going to occupy a more trusting position in my mind than a global sysop or global ''anything''. Specialized role members are good and healthy in the long term; I think we are giving these privileges to global users sparingly as the project is still in its infancy and as core contributors emerge and take up key positions we will have a more well-rounded and self-sustaining community with less global privileges needed to take up certain tasks. Wikifunctions probably needed some Foundation members or other staff to act as functioneers initially while the general community was still orienting themselves with WikiLambda and working on applying for the role, but now we have [[f:Special:ListUsers/functioneer|74(!) of them]] and the number of normal members using their specialized skills outnumbers those who were "grandfathered" in (for lack of a better term) or similar. The wiki is young—it just needs time. I myself have been considering applying for sysop privileges since they are obviously needed (there being exactly Zero of them at the moment); I've been weighing the pros and cons of such a commitment, it's obviously a lot to take up. I wish your sysop request went through, I think you would have made a great admin here. I'm unsure of what others think of my capabilities, I'm rather in-and-out around these social spaces so I don't know if there's much to go off of. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 15:55, 20 May 2026 (UTC) ::::Totally agree, and I'd support a sysopship request as well, though I'm apparently not good at assessing what the community considers supportable in admin candidate ;). ::::Off-topic, but interestingly, the sysop toolset allows you to grant yourself translation adminship. I'm not sure if sysops are expected not to grant themselves the permissions (kind of like how on enwiki 'crats are expected not grant themselves any rights without discussion despite having the technical rights), but I did it to myself on WF because [https://www.wikifunctions.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&logid=84940 another sysop had]. Additionally, the functioneer right [[Special:ListGroupRights#functioneer|exists on this wiki]], with the same rights on WF, despite all of them not doing anything on this wiki. I believe this is because, on the technical side, both AW and WF are powered by the same MediaWiki extension (Wikilambda), with one wiki set to a mode for abstract articles and another set to a mode for ZObjects. [https://dag.wikipedia.org/wiki/Di%C5%8B%27gahim:ListGroupRights#functioneer Checking the Dagbani Wikipedia] supports this theory. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 18:00, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :::::It always depends on the local policy. For Wikifunctions it is: ''Administrators do not need to undergo another discussion to become translation administrators; they can self-grant the rights to their account if necessary. Temporary administrators are not allowed to self-grant permanent translation administrator rights.'' :::::The availability of the functioneer right is a bug, see [[phab:T407066]]. --[[User:Ameisenigel|Ameisenigel]] ([[User talk:Ameisenigel|talk]]) 19:36, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :::If you don't consider yourself a xenophobe in real life, I would recommend not calling yourself that here, or anywhere really. Especially since it was the ideological capture during the 2010s of the Croatian-language Wikipedia [[w:hr:]] by actual xenophobes that was part of the impetus for Abstract Wikipedia according to [https://simia.net/wiki/Draft:_Collaborating_on_the_sum_of_all_knowledge_across_languages#A_look_on_some_south_Slavic_language_Wikipedias Denny's blog]. [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 22:10, 26 May 2026 (UTC) == Policy drafts == Hi all! I've written some draft policies and guidelines over the last few days. We're not a bureaucracy, so the point is not to set some rules but to kick off some discussions as to how our wiki will work. So far, I've created: * [[Abstract Wikipedia:Notability|a notability guideline]] * [[Abstract Wikipedia:Deletion policy|a deletion policy]] I've written them as my opinion on what should happen, but I'm hoping to align them with community consensus as we discuss them more. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 13:44, 21 May 2026 (UTC) == Wikifunctions & Abstract Wikipedia Newsletter #249 is out: Annual plan 2026-2027 == There is [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-05-23|a new update]] for Abstract Wikipedia and Wikifunctions. Please, come and read it! In this issue, we present you the current draft of objectives for Wikifunctions and Abstract Wikipedia in the WMF Annual Plan 2026-2027, and we take a look at the latest software developments. Want to catch up with the previous updates? Check [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates|our archive]]! Enjoy the reading! -- [[User:Sannita (WMF)|User:Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 09:48, 25 May 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Sannita (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Wikifunctions_%26_Abstract_Wikipedia&oldid=30536976 --> == To abstract Wikipedia or be the Abstract Wikipedia == There is a discussion happening about what the [[Abstract Wikipedia:Notability|notability criteria]] for Abstract Wikipedia should be, and in trying to participate I've found my idea of Abstract Wikipedia is awfully abstract. Is Abstract Wikipedia supposed to abstract Wikipedia, as in abstracting information from existing articles on the language Wikipedias (barring new contributions), or is it supposed to become the Abstract Wikipedia, supporting collaboration across all languages like it's the language Wikipedia to end all language Wikipedias (allowing new contributions)? I thought the answer would be obvious, but the name Abstract Wikipedia is a bit ambiguous. Am I missing something? [[User:Some helpful person|Some helpful person]] ([[User talk:Some helpful person|talk]]) 02:16, 27 May 2026 (UTC) :I think ({{ping|DVrandecic (WMF)|p=?}}) the idea is (and I personally prefer) the latter. I believe that, given the fact that it's much easier to write a concrete article than an abstract article, and the fact that the community of potential future contributors on enwiki is skeptical ''at best'', we ultimately will never expand beyond the size of other wikis, but I see no problem with allowing volunteers to add information not on other wikis (it's probably not the most effective, but they're volunteers, beggars can't be choosers), as long as it's not vandalism, useless, or promotional slop. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 02:31, 27 May 2026 (UTC) :@[[User:Some helpful person|Some helpful person]] Abstract Wikipedia is a Wikipedia, where people can collaborate across languages on articles, which can then be used to fill gaps in the existing Wikipedias. Whereas I expect that current Wikipedia articles might be used as a convenient starting point for many of the articles in Abstract Wikipedia, this is more a consequence of Wikipedia being one of the best places to go to to find reliable knowledge, but that is not part of how it is supposed to work. So, this is not to abstract the existing Wikipedias, but to collaborate on an Abstract Wikipedia. At no point is this meant to replace existing Wikipedias. (Thanks to @[[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] for the ping!) --[[User:DVrandecic (WMF)|DVrandecic (WMF)]] ([[User talk:DVrandecic (WMF)|talk]]) 17:01, 27 May 2026 (UTC) ::Thank you, this makes a lot more sense now. [[User:Some helpful person|Some helpful person]] ([[User talk:Some helpful person|talk]]) 21:52, 27 May 2026 (UTC) == template suggestion == Some way to mock abstract syntax on talk and project pages, analogous to those in [[d:category:format Template]]. [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 15:21, 27 May 2026 (UTC) :Hmm. I agree. :Workshopping ideas for how it works: :* Invokation: <nowiki>{{Call|Z26039|{"Z1K1": "Z18", "Z18K1": "Z825K1"}|{"Z1K1": "Z6091", "Z6091K1": "Q634"}|{"Z1K1": "Z18", "Z18K1": "Z825K1"}|lang=en}}</nowiki> :** This could then be suplemented by helper templates: <nowiki>{{Call|Z26039|{{Wikidata item argument reference}}|{{Wikidata item reference|Q634}}|{{Language argument reference}}}}</nowiki> :* This would result in "[[f:Z26039|subject is instance of (string)]] (wikidata item reference, [[d:Q634|planet]], language)" :** Icons are missing in this example, I'm not sure if we can actually add them :Thoughts? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 16:04, 27 May 2026 (UTC) == Marking NLG Default text == Some NLG functions give default texts, like [[f:Z33420|Z33420]] will give text like "Paris ∈ {city}". sometimes in other languages the English text is show. Currently there is no visual clue that these texts are not normal text in the requested language. I propose we mark these text with color <span style="color:magenta;">Paris ∈ {city}</span> with something like <nowiki><span style="color:magenta;">Paris ∈ {city}</span></nowiki>. To have this configurable/maintainable this could be included in a function, called NLG default text or so, with a text as input an a text in color as output. The exact formatting like magenta color or gray background or something else can be discussed/decided later. To have it even more configurable on personal stylesheets it could use a class like <nowiki><span class="NLG Default text">Paris ∈ {city}</span></nowiki>. What do you think? Could somebody make such a function already? [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 12:00, 29 May 2026 (UTC) :The are technically just monolingual texts in a language called "multiple languages". I threw a prototype together really quickly, [[f:Z35839]]. It will accept strings, monolingual texts, and html fragments as input, so you have to select which type you want. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 14:59, 29 May 2026 (UTC) ::OK, thanks, I added it to [[f:Z26039]] and works as expected, see [https://www.wikifunctions.org/wiki/Z26039?call=%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z7%22%2C%22Z7K1%22%3A%22Z26039%22%2C%22Z26039K1%22%3A%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z6091%22%2C%22Z6091K1%22%3A%22Q64%22%7D%2C%22Z26039K2%22%3A%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z6091%22%2C%22Z6091K1%22%3A%22Q515%22%7D%2C%22Z26039K3%22%3A%22Z1555%22%7D here]. The test for the function with default text now fails because it now is in magenta color. That was to be expected. I will leave the tests unchanged if that is OK with you, as we might need to change the exact formatting. ::Is it OK to add this to other NLG functions that produce default output? [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 15:59, 29 May 2026 (UTC) :::Sure, [[w:en:WP:Be bold|be bold]]! [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 20:50, 29 May 2026 (UTC) ::::Feeglgeef, I am struggling with the output. Can you have a look? [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 17:02, 30 May 2026 (UTC) :::::Can you link me to where? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 17:08, 30 May 2026 (UTC) ::::::{{Q|90}} in a language vls should give a magenta text. Instead it gives "Wikifunctions returned a failed response: Unspecified error". [[f:Z33422]] results "<span style="color: magenta;">Parys ∈ {stad}</span>" (as a string). [[f:Z26039]] also gives "<span style="color: magenta;">Parys ∈ {stad}</span>", but it's test [[f:Z33726]] gives an HTML equivalent, not a string. [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 17:59, 30 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::You shouldn't be returning HTML in string-typed functions. I'm not sure, then, how we implement your proposal, actually. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 18:54, 30 May 2026 (UTC) ::::::::I tried with [[f:Z35921]] but now the output is the literal text, and not HTML. Does anybody have an idea how to implement the text in a color? ::::::::Alternatively we could use texts like // Parys ∈ {stad} //. [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 16:51, 31 May 2026 (UTC) ::::::::: You need to output [[f:Z89|HTML fragment]], not String. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 17:16, 31 May 2026 (UTC) :I agree with the above that this should not be applied to functions which return strings or monolingual text. If anything, it might work to insert it into functions returning HTML. The most egregious problems I've seen are when I tried to render into an RTL language (e.g. Hebrew 0 try on [[Q408]]), and it spilled all the formatting all over the article. I will revert the change to the string default at [[:f:Z33421]], but suggest it is tested carefully if implemented elsewhere. In general I prefer just marking with spans rather than colours at this stage. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 04:49, 3 June 2026 (UTC) :: Perhaps mark with spans given a specific ID and then allow users to use a userscript/gadget to paint them magenta? That seems like the most considerate approach. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 05:12, 3 June 2026 (UTC) :::[[:f:Z32234]] suggests something like <code>span lang="mul"</code> or similar. [[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 05:20, 3 June 2026 (UTC) ::::I will (carefully) try some other alternatives, and use a personal class in my userscript for <nowiki><span class="NLG Default text"></nowiki>. [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 14:05, 4 June 2026 (UTC) ::::: If possible, can you use <nowiki><span lang="mul"></nowiki>? This would allow it to also catch some instances automatically. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 16:14, 4 June 2026 (UTC) ::::::I have done so, but how can I set my personal stylesheet to show color magenta with <nowiki><span lang="mul"></nowiki>? [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 22:20, 4 June 2026 (UTC) ::::::: try adding this to [[Special:MyPage/common.css]]: ::::::: [lang="mul"] {<br> color: magenta;<br> } [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 23:48, 4 June 2026 (UTC) == Ratification of the deletion policy proposal? == I haven't seen any unresolved objections to my proposal for a [[Abstract Wikipedia:Deletion policy|policy for deletion]]. Does anybody have any issues, and, if not, is it ok to ratify as an actual policy? I intend to remove the draft template and replace it with a policy template unless anyone voices any objection within a week. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 20:55, 29 May 2026 (UTC) :Is it just me or does [[Abstract Wikipedia:Deletion policy#Reasons for deletion]] render blank with only number bullets without the actual text after ''1.'' or ''2.''? [[User:Bunnypranav|Bunnypranav]] ([[User talk:Bunnypranav|talk]]) 07:13, 30 May 2026 (UTC) ::I see text. ―[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''<span style="color:black">v</span>f</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 07:49, 30 May 2026 (UTC) :::I can see on my phone, but it goes blank on my laptop. What is the role of ''<nowiki><span class="anchor" id="1"></nowiki>''? [[User:Bunnypranav|Bunnypranav]] ([[User talk:Bunnypranav|talk]]) 12:15, 30 May 2026 (UTC) ::::{{ping|Bunnypranav}} I can see the text everywhere (I tested connected and not connected, on my phone, laptop, with Chrome or Firefox ; what system do you use?). As the name suggest, the span anchor is here to create an HTML anchor, so you can do link like [[Abstract_Wikipedia:Deletion_policy#7]]. Cheers, [[User:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[User talk:VIGNERON|talk]]) 13:49, 30 May 2026 (UTC) :::::I'm on Brave browser. Nevertheless, forget it. The culprit might be some random customization I did to my system which I cannot recollect. The reason is the span tag only though, tried a preview kicking out a text to just outside the tag and it worked. [[User:Bunnypranav|Bunnypranav]] ([[User talk:Bunnypranav|talk]]) 14:23, 30 May 2026 (UTC) :Globally, it looks fine. I think that reasons 7 and 8 may need some examples/clarifications. There is no global consensus when it comes to creating categories. For example, categories for building interiors and exteriors. Personally, I feel that they are useful for easier discoverability. [[User:Jsamwrites|John Samuel]] ([[User:Jsamwrites|talk]]) 15:39, 30 May 2026 (UTC) ::I've copied them over from enwiki. They're probably included in "content otherwise not suited for an encyclopedia." Since sysops can't speedy them, it'd be up to commenters on [[Abstract:RFD]] to determine. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 16:48, 30 May 2026 (UTC) == Wikifunctions & Abstract Wikipedia Newsletter #250 is out: Looking back and forward == There is [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-05-30|a new update]] for Abstract Wikipedia and Wikifunctions. Please, come and read it! In this issue, we present you a recollection of our work so far, now that we celebrate our 250th newsletter, we share with you a summary of our latest outreach activities, and we take a look at the latest software developments. Want to catch up with the previous updates? Check [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates|our archive]]! Enjoy the reading! -- [[User:Sannita (WMF)|User:Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 10:04, 1 June 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Sannita (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Wikifunctions_%26_Abstract_Wikipedia&oldid=30606821 --> == Yet another suggested function proposal == Perhaps it's a bit early, but can [[f:Z36049]] be added to [[MediaWiki:AbstractWikiSuggestedWikifunctions.json]]? See [[Q38726]] for an example use. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 23:54, 4 June 2026 (UTC) c31r2otddf8xzbs894xdqxfkmf1oc2s 9621 9611 2026-06-05T05:06:20Z Feeglgeef 36 /* Yet another suggested function proposal */ reply ([[mw:c:Special:MyLanguage/User:JWBTH/CD|CD]]) 9621 wikitext text/x-wiki {{#ifexist:Abstract Wikipedia:Project chat/Header/{{USERLANGUAGE}}|{{/Header/{{USERLANGUAGE}}}}|{{/Header}}}} {{/Archives}} <!-- Add your discussion below this line --> == Why don't we just structure this with wikitemplates? == I feel like the project could be done a lot better by using templates kind of like how wikipedia does them. Just the entire thing is templates that can be rendered in many languages. So like [[Q106289265]] would have the content <nowiki>{{Z26039|Q7257}}</nowiki> and could even have some aliasing done across languages so it could be <nowiki>{{subject is|Q7257}}</nowiki>. Code would be editable with a regular visual editor or code editor. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 04:34, 29 March 2026 (UTC) :This is available in pages when Parsoid rendering is enabled. We don't use this becuase it doesn't make sense for constructing and editing massive articles. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 21:37, 29 March 2026 (UTC) ::How do you do parsoid rendering? And why wouldn't it make sense? With aliases and everything could work great. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 23:12, 29 March 2026 (UTC) :::I believe it is enabled by default. If you do have it on: {{#function:Z10000|you'll s|ee this}} [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 14:54, 30 March 2026 (UTC) :you may be interested in reading this old [[m:Abstract_Wikipedia/Google.org_Fellows_evaluation|Google report]]. [[User:BrokenSegue|BrokenSegue]] ([[User talk:BrokenSegue|talk]]) 14:32, 9 May 2026 (UTC) == Why the editing API doesn't work == {{tracked|T423542}} Immanuelle wrongly stated that there is no REST API for editing. [[#REST API for editing?|There is]]. However, it does not work when called from software outside Abstract Wikipedia. That is because there is no way to grant a bot password or OAuth customer the permission to edit abstract articles (<code>wikilambda-abstract-edit</code>) and create them (<code>wikilambda-abstract-create</code>), since no grant on [[Special:ListGrants]] includes either. Should this be fixed? [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 01:57, 26 April 2026 (UTC) :Yes I think the rights should be added. I think the number of automated edits should be low at the moment as Abstract Wikipedia is still in an early phase and so far there is not much support for small languages and so many functions will maybe change to cover more languages. As automatic editing using a Bot Account requires an formal request it is no problem if the option exists. [[User:Hogü-456|Hogü-456]] ([[User talk:Hogü-456|talk]]) 18:17, 26 April 2026 (UTC) :Sounds good to me. Could we add a bot section to [[Abstract Wikipedia:Requests for permissions]]? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 23:35, 5 May 2026 (UTC) ::[[Abstract_Wikipedia:Requests_for_permissions#Bot]] ―[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''<span style="color:black">v</span>f</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 23:56, 5 May 2026 (UTC) :not currently possible :((((( [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 14:46, 30 April 2026 (UTC) :Feeglgeef is correct, past tense sentence generation is something we are sorely lacking at the moment. If you look at [[f:WF:Type proposals#Representing abstract content|Wikifunctions' type proposals]] you can see some initiatives that could hopefully mitigate this. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 13:49, 1 May 2026 (UTC) == Spaces between sentences, another attempt == [[Abstract Wikipedia:Project chat#Extra spaces between sentences|A month ago]], @[[User:内存溢出的猫|内存溢出的猫]]<ref group="spaces3>According to Google Translate, it's pronounced "Nèicún yìchū de māo". Please correct me if it's wrong. When I write, I want to know how are things that I write pronounced aloud, and very unfortunately, I never learned to read Chinese characters, and even if I did, most English speakers probably didn't. Come to think of it, is there a function that ''reliably'' transliterates Chinese characters?</ref> That discussion doesn't seem to have yielded any fixes or meaningful discussions, at least not that I can see. [[Abstract Wikipedia:Project chat#Spaces between sentences|Two weeks ago]], I tried to bring up a similar topic, but that discussion somehow got derailed and also didn't yield anything useful. Now, the problem looks differently, but it's still a problem. When I look at [[Q10251]], for example, what I see is four sentences that ''appear'' with ''no'' spaces between them. Not one, not two—none at all. It looks like this: :Plasma is a fundamental state of matter.Plasma is a classical state of matter.A plasma is a gas.A plasma is a matter. Note that I emphasized ''appear'': When I see them rendered on the screen, they have no spaces between them. In the HTML, however, they are represented as four <code><nowiki><div></nowiki></code>s, and their inline positioning is handled by CSS. This means, for example, that if I copy and paste them, I don't get a long string with no spaces after full stops, but four sentences with a single line break after each full stop: <poem> Plasma is a fundamental state of matter. Plasma is a classical state of matter. A plasma is a gas. A plasma is a matter. </poem> This is not how it is supposed to be done. <code><nowiki><div></nowiki></code>s are supposed to be used for block elements and not hacked into appearing as if they are inline (also known as phrasing). Spaces between sentences are supposed to be real characters rather than HTML and CSS tricks, they may be different in different languages, and in some languages they may be nothing at all. I hope that the definition of the problem is clear. <references group="spaces3"></references> [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 12:49, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :Hi, have a look at it [[Special:PermanentLink/7132|now]]. Does this match your expectations? I think it's not rendering right now for whatever reason, but there are other examples of it being done this way that you can see: [[Q241691]]. The article renders properly in both English (spaces between sentences) and Japanese (no spaces at all). : :'''English:''' :<blockquote>Programmed Data Processor is a computer model series by Digital Equipment Corporation. PDP-8 is a Programmed Data Processor.</blockquote> :'''Japanese:''' :<blockquote>PDPシリーズはディジタル・イクイップメント・コーポレーションによるコンピュータ・モデル・シリーズである。PDP-8はPDPシリーズである。</blockquote> : :I have some, err, strong opinions about [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]]'s 「Abstract Wikipedia Editor」 tool, which is the predominant cause for all of these very janky and poorly-laid-out articles that you see. This is not how an article ought to be written on Abstract Wikipedia, and I and other editors are aware of this. If you see these problems, please do fix them! The wiki will be all the better for it. : :In the absence of consensus on such things as these (and awaiting any official policy pages) I have written [[f:User:Theki/best practices]] on my Wikifunctions userpage. You are welcome to read it if you wish. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 17:20, 2 May 2026 (UTC) ::The output of [[Q241691]] looks OK to me in this regard. How was it done? ::[[Q10251]] gives me an error. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 18:10, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :::WikiLambda is doing WikiLambda things. This WASI time limit error happens intermittently on Abstract Wikipedia articles and it usually goes away after a short while. The only thing is that it doesn't really seem like purging these articles does anything to force the orchestrator to retry its evaluation so the article might not render that paragraph until someone comes in and pokes at it by editing it somehow. ::: :::The working article uses the [[f:Z33068|''paragraph from sentences'']] function to lay out its individual sentence content. This function automatically handles converting any and all text-like objects (strings, HTML fragments, and monolingual text) to a consistent form, so sentence fragments can all be supplied verbatim to its list input. When the function is putting the sentences together it defaults to using a single space to separate them, but first checks if the requested language is in the [[f:Z33984|''languages without spaces between sentences'']] list. If it is, it doesn't add spaces at all, and just concatenates the sentences normally. I hope this explanation makes sense. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 18:19, 2 May 2026 (UTC) ::::It makes some sense, but earlier, you suggested: "If you see these problems, please do fix them", and I'm not entirely sure how to do it. How would I fix it in [[Q100]], for example? [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 19:41, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :::::In this case you would do the following: :::::# At the bottom, click the plus and then 「Add empty fragment」. :::::# Set the function to [[f:Z33068]], as mentioned earlier. :::::# Now go through each sentence fragment, find the innermost sentence-generation function, click on the three dots, and copy it. Do not copy the calls to [[f:Z29749]] or similar, these are not necessary. :::::# Go to the ''paragraph with sentences'' function call and add an element to the list. :::::# Click on the three dots next to the new element, and paste in the earlier sentence fragment. :::::# You can now delete the original fragment and repeat the process in the same list for the one after it. :::::&mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 19:46, 2 May 2026 (UTC) ::@[[User:Theki|Theki]] I intend on fixing it, I recently made an attempt but the suggested fixes made problems worse. Do you have any practical suggestions of how to structure the templates? I will try to implement them when I have more time. ::Also your name is very confusing, are you in the process of getting it changed wiki-wide? [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 22:36, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :::Um, are you referring to my signature not matching my wiki username? I have considered for a long time changing it from ''theki'', but I don't feel like putting in the effort when it seems to be perfectly ignorable for most people. The user 「''Rae''」 can't be usurped because they made, like, two or three articles on the Persian Wikipedia two decades ago or something, I don't know. If that weren't the case I would be User:Rae right now but after that failed to go through I just decided to stop bothering. Maybe at some point I'll come up with a username I'm happy with keeping for the foreseeable future but I have other concerns at the moment. :::Could you explain how your attempted fixes 「made problems worse」? Presently I side with Feeglgeef's sentiments and prefer to wait for abstract content to actually be feasible to make on a reasonably descriptive scale (see: the type proposals) before I go around making articles willy-nilly, which is what AWE has been doing—making a bunch of pretty low-quality articles on a massive scale when it probably ''really'' would have been better to, err, hold off on that. :::And I honestly know very little about the actual workings of your editor, I don't really use it nor am I familiar with its template syntax or whatever it may use, so I'm going to look over how it actually works and then get back to you on that. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 23:28, 2 May 2026 (UTC) ::::Using this [[f:Z33068]] made things worse [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 00:44, 3 May 2026 (UTC) :::::That did not go through correctly but I do not think we have a proper thing for it. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 00:45, 3 May 2026 (UTC) ::::::What? Could you elaborate? &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 01:00, 3 May 2026 (UTC) ::::::{{ping|Immanuelle}} I checked. Your issue is that your editor is not providing the article language to Z33068K2; that is, the ''paragraph from sentences'' function has a second argument, and your editor was omitting it. If you properly specify it, it will work. Please, next time, actually tell me what went wrong instead of going quiet and forcing me to look after it myself. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 17:06, 4 May 2026 (UTC) :I avoid [[f:Z33068]] for now, because executing a whole paragraph in a single call would often time out. So my current alternative is inserting [[f:Z35672]] between sentences. Fairly clunky, but it works... --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 06:08, 28 May 2026 (UTC) ::Can you categorize the talk pages of articles you're doing that with? It has major accessibility concerns for our friends using screen readers, so it'd be nice to be able to find those with issues when were able to fix the calls [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 21:50, 28 May 2026 (UTC) :::I think the new tool can show us this (via dumps). For example, here are the uses of 'paragraph': https://abstract-data.toolforge.org/zid/Z32123 --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 23:07, 28 May 2026 (UTC) ::::There's more than one way to not use spaces correctly and more than one way to use spaces correctly, this wouldn't catch all of them. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 23:13, 28 May 2026 (UTC) :::::I'm not totally sure what you want to track, but I'm confident that this will find all my uses. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 02:10, 29 May 2026 (UTC) ::::I think it slipped past everyone's notice, but I made a template for linking to that sort of information @ [[Template:Zd|<nowiki>{{</nowiki>zd<nowiki>}}</nowiki>]]. {{zd|Z35672|sentence separator}} <span style="font-size:smaller;opacity:0.8">(I don't think the database dumps have noticed the function you're using yet, so it's a 404 at the moment.)</span> &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 01:09, 29 May 2026 (UTC) ===Easier solution?=== Maybe a much easier solution would be to replace the "." after each sentence with ". " (a full stop and a space). The paragraghs might add an extra space, but that is displayed as one by the browser. [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) ==Wiktionary integration== I was trying out a few functions recently, such as [https://www.wikifunctions.org/view/en/Z27243 the new superlative function], and I noticed that ''every adjective'' has to be a Wikidata item. For example, I couldn't type in the inputs "Bugatti Veyron", "fast", "Earth" because "fast" as an adjective is not a Wikidata item. This doesn't really make sense, given that Wiktionary already has the word for "fast" and its superlative form in many different languages. Would it be possible to integrate Wiktionary into the function, so the user can type an adjective or verb from Wiktionary instead of having to deal with Wikidata (which consists almost entirely of nouns)? [[User:Somepinkdude|Somepinkdude]] ([[User talk:Somepinkdude|talk]]) 16:49, 6 May 2026 (UTC) :No, sadly. I would try "speed" as the adjective, though, you have to use abstract qualities instead of concrete English terms. [[File:Wikifunctions Superlative speed example.png|thumb|Here's an example of the word being used.]] [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 18:02, 6 May 2026 (UTC) :Wikidata has standard items as well as lexeme data, so if anything, we should try to integrate those. E.g. [[:d:Lexeme:L1029]]. ―[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''<span style="color:black">v</span>f</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 19:48, 6 May 2026 (UTC) ::I tried this, and it gave "Bugatti Veyron is the speedest car on Earth", which is laughably bad. The problem is that Wikidata does not "know" what the superlative form is, while Wiktionary does. Speed is a fairly common descriptor, but what about less common adjectives which aren't on Wikidata? Will there need to be a bot to copy all of this information from Wiktionary? [[User:Somepinkdude|Somepinkdude]] ([[User talk:Somepinkdude|talk]]) 22:14, 6 May 2026 (UTC) :::I'm not suggesting that the functionality works <em>now</em>, but that we need to integrate the funcationality. ―[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''<span style="color:black">v</span>f</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 22:17, 6 May 2026 (UTC) :::Well, no, the superlative form is chosen by [[f:Z12203]]. I think there's a bug with the English implementation that calls that function wrong. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 22:19, 6 May 2026 (UTC) :@[[User:Somepinkdude|Somepinkdude]] I did find the item {{Q|Q19807466}} which was linked to a concept database's entry for "fast"; I have at least linked it to the English lexeme "fast" and will try to add more links at a better hour. [[User:Mahir256|Mahir256]] ([[User talk:Mahir256|talk]]) 04:18, 7 May 2026 (UTC) == Showcase == I was wondering if there's a curated list of decent articles to learn by example here on Abstract Wikipedia? [[User:Fgnievinski|Fgnievinski]] ([[User talk:Fgnievinski|talk]]) 02:02, 8 May 2026 (UTC) :Unfortunately not, and, honestly, I wouldn't recommend article creation at the moment, it's likely to need significant refactoring as the way we represent abstract content changes, but, I can point you to [[Q668]] as a reasonably good example at the moment. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 02:39, 8 May 2026 (UTC) ::Thank you. "308 languages" blew my mind – well done! [[User:Fgnievinski|Fgnievinski]] ([[User talk:Fgnievinski|talk]]) 02:54, 8 May 2026 (UTC) :::308 is the number of ''concrete'' Wikipedias in which a manually-written article about India is available. :::The abstract article renders for me in English as "India is a country in Asia. India is a republic. New Delhi is the capital of India. India is the most populous country in world." Switching to another language to get rendered as an abstract article is done by typing the language's name in the box above the rendered text. I tried French, German, and Dutch, and got errors in all of them. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 03:12, 8 May 2026 (UTC) ::::So it goes. The paragraph has quite a lot of distinct sentence generation functions, all of which of course have to be implemented in the target language. This will be rounded out once we're able to more effectively generalize linguistic content. I view these functions as sort of patchy temporary solutions to the sentence generation problem while we figure out something more robust, which I hope is soon to come. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 04:15, 8 May 2026 (UTC) == Wikifunctions & Abstract Wikipedia Newsletter #247 is out: References from Wikidata now available == There is [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-05-08|a new update]] for Abstract Wikipedia and Wikifunctions. Please, come and read it! In this issue, we announce that is now possible to pass references in Wikidata statements, we introduce the [https://abstract-data.toolforge.org/ Abstract Data dashboard], we report you on the presentation about Abstract Wikipedia at WikiCon Australia, and we take a look at the latest software developments. Want to catch up with the previous updates? Check [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates|our archive]]! Also, we remind you that if you have questions or ideas to discuss, the next '''Volunteers' Corner''' will be held on '''[https://zonestamp.toolforge.org/1778520600 May 11, at 17:30 UTC]''' ([https://meet.google.com/xuy-njxh-rkw link to the meeting]). Enjoy the reading! -- [[User:Sannita (WMF)|User:Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 11:16, 8 May 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Sannita (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Wikifunctions_%26_Abstract_Wikipedia&oldid=30325620 --> == about the usage of Z33068 == The use of [[f:Z33068]] (en: paragraph from sentences) <s>always</s> most of the time results in the error "Reached time limit in orchestrator." So should it be used at all for now, temporarily? Or maybe there are already some tickets about this that I am not aware of? -- [[User:Asked42|Asked42]] ([[User talk:Asked42|talk]]) 18:23, 10 May 2026 (UTC) :It previously worked, so I'm hoping whatever the issue is will be fixed soon. The current state of the wiki makes [[m:Immediatism|immediatism]] an illogical philosophy to have at the moment, in my opinion. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 20:16, 10 May 2026 (UTC) ::This issue seems to no longer exist, you might need to clear the cache by making a dummy edit on affected articles. I implemented the function in Python (instead of composition), which has increased the speed by about 2000 ms. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 04:31, 11 May 2026 (UTC) :::Seems like working. Thank you. -- [[User:Asked42|Asked42]] ([[User talk:Asked42|talk]]) 19:06, 11 May 2026 (UTC) == Manual of Style == I've created a [[Abstract Wikipedia:Manual of Style|draft for a Manual of Style]]. Please feel free to comment on or make bold edits to the page. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 03:29, 11 May 2026 (UTC) :Thank you! That’s great and I’ll look at it more soon. I’m still taking a bit of a wikibreak. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 22:32, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :Is there anything I've written [[f:User:Theki/best_practices#Abstract_Wikipedia|here]] that you think would make for a good technical section of the page? &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 00:04, 15 May 2026 (UTC) ::I've added some of them. Thank you for your list of best practices by the way, I generally agree with them (I can't endorse connecting WD items currently in hope of a better technical solution, but otherwise I do). [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 00:58, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Proposals on the architecture of Abstract Content rendering == Starting from a discussion born on the Wikifunctions Telegram chat, I've explained two different proposals on how the NLG on Abstract Wikipedia should be organized in the page [[User:Dv103/Abstract articles architectures]]. Please come to contribute to the discussion, or to propose alternatives. [[User:Dv103|Dv103]] ([[User talk:Dv103|talk]]) 14:32, 11 May 2026 (UTC) == [[MediaWiki:Wikimedia-copyright-footer]] == The copyright message has a few issues, mainly that it does not address abstract content (which is not "text"), nor object labels (which are under CC0). Proposed text: "<nowiki> Text and abstract content are available under the [https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/ Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License]; the labels of objects from [[f:|Wikifunctions]] are available under the [https://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/ Creative Commons CC0 License]; additional terms may apply. See [https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Policy:Terms_of_Use Terms of Use] for details. </nowiki>" Which, when rendered, looks like: Text and abstract content are available under the [https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/ Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License]; the labels of objects from [[f:|Wikifunctions]] are available under the [https://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/ Creative Commons CC0 License]; additional terms may apply. See [https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Policy:Terms_of_Use Terms of Use] for details. The message is somewhat inspired by the current one and WF's. Thoughts? Thank you! [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 13:30, 12 May 2026 (UTC) :@[[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]]: As you probably imagine, this text is very tightly controlled by the Wikimedia Foundation's Legal department. I think the first port of call should be a discussion about why you might want to change things, rather than a rush to specific re-wordings, before approaching them for sign-off. [[User:Jdforrester (WMF)|Jdforrester (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Jdforrester (WMF)|talk]]) 14:28, 12 May 2026 (UTC) ::Well I briefly summarized my justification, my proposed text was just an idea for a starting point. Basically, the abstract content is not really "text", so the footer doesn't actually tell the reader what they're allowed to do with it, and I argue that the current wording implies that the labels are licensed under CC-BY-SA 4, when they aren't. I think a change is critical as otherwise we're not showing the reader a license, or, arguably, in the case of labels, showing users a license that ''does not apply'', which is a pretty bad thing. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 14:51, 12 May 2026 (UTC) == [[MediaWiki:AbstractWikiSuggestedWikifunctions.json]] == I'd think we should add [[f:Z33068]] here. The function allows you to form a paragraph out of sentences and handles languages having different standards of whether to add a space between them, and adding it here would make finding it easier. I'm not sure what policy we want to have for the suggested functions, this idea might help formulate it. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 16:06, 12 May 2026 (UTC) :[[User:Jdforrester (WMF)]] tells me the page has been changed to [[Special:CommunityConfiguration/AbstractWikiSuggestedWikifunctions]] on the telegram. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 16:25, 12 May 2026 (UTC) ::@[[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]]: Yup, see the weekly update on [[f:Wikifunctions:Status_updates/2026-05-02|2026-05-02]]. [[User:Jdforrester (WMF)|Jdforrester (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Jdforrester (WMF)|talk]]) 16:35, 12 May 2026 (UTC) :I also believe Z33068 should be added to the list. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 17:25, 12 May 2026 (UTC) {{done}} see [[Special:Diff/7692]]. Cheers, [[User:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[User talk:VIGNERON|talk]]) 09:08, 20 May 2026 (UTC) == Abstract Wikipedia statistics site source code == https://abstract-data.toolforge.org/ is a very useful tool, but it doesn't seem to have anything pointing to the location of its source code. Is it closed-source or unfree? While I'm at it I feel I should suggest having language pages' paths formatted differently from how they are currently—at the moment it's <code>/languages/Toki%20Pona</code> when something like <code>/languages/tok</code> would be more suitable. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; : See [[:gitlab:toolforge-repos/abstract-data]]. Also pinging {{ping|DSantamaria-WMF|p=}} (thanks for the tool, by the way). [[User:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|<span class="skin-invert" style="color:black;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:110%;font-weight:normal;line-height:normal">NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh</span>]] 00:25, 13 May 2026 (UTC) ::Thank you. I think a link to that repository should be put in a footer somewhere on the website as I wouldn't have found that if not for you. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 02:30, 13 May 2026 (UTC) :::{{ping|Theki}} For the record, I found that repo by searching for "abstract-data" on [[:toolhub:|Toolhub]]. [[User:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|<span class="skin-invert" style="color:black;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:110%;font-weight:normal;line-height:normal">NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh</span>]] 03:34, 13 May 2026 (UTC) :::Thanks for the feedback and the report, fixed both things, we have now the link to the repo in the side bar footer, and also the language codes are used in the URLs. Thanks! [[User:DSantamaria-WMF|DSantamaria-WMF]] ([[User talk:DSantamaria-WMF|talk]]) 11:46, 13 May 2026 (UTC) ::::Are you particularly attached to keeping country flag emojis next to the language names? Some consider it an [https://flagsarenotlanguages.com/blog anti-pattern]. [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 16:17, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::I think the use of flags is not really harmful since this is not a ''language selector'', it is just a list of languages. Of course not every language has an associated flag, for example Latin, which does look a bit awkward, but it can't be helped. Maybe give languages without a flag a unique icon from Wikimedia Commons? e.g. <div style="display:inline-flex;align-items:center;border:1px solid #0002;border-radius:4px;gap:4px;padding:4px;">[[File:Toki pona.svg|16px]] Toki Pona</div> instead of <div style="display:inline-flex;align-items:center;border:1px solid #0002;border-radius:4px;gap:4px;padding:4px;"><span>🌐</span>Toki Pona</div>. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 16:37, 14 May 2026 (UTC) ::::::I thought I saw 🏛️ being used for Latin earlier. But of course, as far as the Unicode Consortium is concerned, [[Q65300415|🇬🇧]] doesn't mean '[[Q1680|English]]', no more than [[Q100587670|🏳️‍🌈]] means '[[Q1359130|Polari]]'; technically, it doesn't even mean '[[Q145|United Kingdom]]', just the letters 🇺 and 🇰 next to each other (which linguistically would indicate [[Q8798|Ukrainian]] in ISO 639, but these are 'regional indicator symbols'). [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 17:21, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::As seems (from this comment and also [[f:User_talk:DSantamaria-WMF#c-%E9%AD%94%E7%90%B4-20260513063700-Country_flags_in_abstract-data|others' comments]]) that flags are a little bit controversial, I just removed them, IMHO it was just an aesthetic concept, I like the look and feel that flags bring to the language labels, but happy to remove them if make some people feel uncomfortable with the concept. [[User:DSantamaria-WMF|DSantamaria-WMF]] ([[User talk:DSantamaria-WMF|talk]]) 05:54, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Make it more user Friendly == Make it more user-friendly by adding drag-and-drop compenots and one click additions, and make it similar to a visual macro buidler. [[User:ChippyTechGH|ChippyTechGH]] ([[User talk:ChippyTechGH|talk]]) 01:00, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :Could you file something like this on [[phab:|phabricator]]? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 01:01, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Person infoboxes == Hi all, I've just created [[f:Z35167|infobox for person (Z35167)]]. All it can really do presently is display the name of the person in the chosen language and in the person's native language, but it's a good start. I started writing it as a composition but chose to switch to writing it in JavaScript instead, which ended up being less headache-inducing (managing a large list of strings to concatenate together is not fun, plus compositions bring lots of additional overhead). Unfortunately, this means that the actual ''useful'' parts of the infobox—the information about the person themself—is not really doable. I'd need to dereference the Wikidata property references to get their label in the requested language, but since they're references and I'm working with code, not compositions, I can't just call [[f:Z6822|fetch Wikidata property (Z6822)]] and be done with it. If there's a WikiLambda API to do this inside of the JS itself that would be great and would solve everything, but at the moment that alone is what's holding it back, or so it seems. I can get the actual ''values'' of statements just fine, though. If I am missing some amazing WikiLambda API function that will solve this problem for me by letting me dereference the PID, then please let me know because that would be great. If you want to look at an example of the infobox right meow, you can view [https://abstract.wikipedia.org/view/tok/Q317521 Q317521 in Toki Pona] and see how it states Musk's name in both Toki Pona ''and'' his native English name. COOL! My hope is that this can be made less barebones in the near future. Infoboxes are a great way to get quick information on a subject and can fill in the informational gaps in the presently sparse articles we have at the moment, all while staying in the user's requested language. Feedback is appreciated! &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 02:58, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :Thank you for this! I wonder if perhaps it would be better to create one "infobox" function and then have compositions call that, making wd retrival possible? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 03:38, 15 May 2026 (UTC) ::Working on that at the moment, I think I've got it working but I'm hitting a ratelimit in the orchestrator so I don't know for sure. The main issue with it now is that the actual [[f:Z35175|infobox template (Z35175)]] wrapper was programmed in JS so as to not be a pain in the ass, so this means that it can only take in strings, HTML fragments, etc. so the retrieval of Wikidata stuff still needs to be done by the caller and is rather verbose (see [[f:Z35168|the main implementation]]). The niceties will come soon later once I know that it all works at a lower level, though. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 05:04, 15 May 2026 (UTC) ::So the problem now seems to be that when [[f:Z29825|label of Wikidata property in language (Z29825)]] isn't being faulty, it's being incredibly slow. Considering retrieving Wikidata items from their references seems to take, like, four to five seconds, and we'll have tens of statements in these infoboxes, I don't see how the property names could be retrieved in a way that doesn't cause the orchestrator to time out or hit a ratelimit. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 06:01, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :::I think I figured something out? I'm just going to try calling [[f:Z35036|fetch Wikidata property or parts (Z35036)]], it seems to be much faster for whatever reason. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 06:05, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :::It works now, a little rough around the edges, also very slow, but I think I'm mostly happy with it. Of course it would be great if all you needed to provide to the template function to get a label-statement row was the property reference itself, but I'm too sleep-deprived to figure that out at the moment. I made five bespoke functions specifically for this infobox, more than I would like, but it's probably not ''that'' bad. I'm just hoping I didn't duplicate any functionality in trying to make the composition less verbose and repetitive. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 07:15, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Wikifunctions & Abstract Wikipedia Newsletter #248 is out: A higher meaning == There is [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-05-15|a new update]] for Abstract Wikipedia and Wikifunctions. Please, come and read it! In this issue, we discuss functions creating language fragments, we present our latest news in Types, and we take a look at the latest software developments. Want to catch up with the previous updates? Check [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates|our archive]]! Enjoy the reading! -- [[User:Sannita (WMF)|User:Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 14:36, 15 May 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Sannita (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Wikifunctions_%26_Abstract_Wikipedia&oldid=30536976 --> == Translations == Yes, this question is probably easily answerable through a Web search, but I thought I'd ask here anyways. I am unfortunately not bilingual... I know Toki Pona, but it's a constructed language. I'd love to be a polyglot of some sorts but that is a future thing. I've been trying to translate pages into tok, for funsies mostly. At any rate, I want to convert some of the un-translated pages, namely Feeglgeef's policy drafts, into ones that can be translated (and then translate them into Toki Pona of course). I think I have to be a translation administrator for this? Which is a process that I'd have to ''apply'' for, and I doubt I have the credentials to be accepted for such a role. Regardless, is there a way I can go about this without having to do it through someone else? I can probably easily find documentation on marking pages for translation but I don't know how much I'm actually capable of doing as just a regular user. Should I apply? &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 14:15, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :Most of the process of preparing a page for translation can be done by any editor. See [[:mw:Help:Extension:Translate/Page translation example]]. :The step of marking a page or translation for the first time or after changes must be done by a translation administrator. :I recommend learning the <nowiki><translate> and <tvar></nowiki> syntax and using it on a few pages before applying for this permission. After you do it on a few pages, and you feel confident, and you want to do it more, you can ask for the permission. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 14:28, 20 May 2026 (UTC) ::Just to confirm, did I mark up [[Special:Diff/8138|this page]] for translation properly? I thought to give the hatnote its own <code>&lt;translate&gt;</code> enclosure so as to exclude the indent and italicization from needing to be included in the translatable text. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 15:10, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :::Mostly properly, but don't exclude <code><nowiki>''</nowiki></code> for italics from translation. It's generally a good idea to exclude complex markup from translation because it's hard for many people to type, and it usually stays the same in translation anyway. <code><nowiki>''</nowiki></code> for italics is different, however: it's very simple to type and familiar to most editors; italic letters are used differently in different languages, and in some languages they aren't used at all, so translators need the freedom to use them appropriately; this markup can also appear in the middle of a translation unit and not only in the ends. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 15:35, 20 May 2026 (UTC) ::::Thank you for the guidance. Should the italics be included if they are used over the entire hatnote? I figure that placement of italics should be left up to the discretion of the translators, but the hatnote itself is meant to be entirely italicized, I would think irrespective of the language it's in. Is this the right idea or should they still be kept within the translation unit? &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 15:45, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :::::Yes, italics should be included in the translation unit if they are used over the entire hatnote. Some languages don't use italic writing at all, so it shouldn't be forced. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 18:36, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :I'd support a translation administrator request ;), for reasons below. I'm not sure why we need a seperate translation administrator right, or why we have to call it an "administrator" (deciding that a page could be translated is a much less important role than, say, page deletion, or blocking). We picked three of them (well, one of them went through the WMF, so we picked two), [https://abstract.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Log?type=pagetranslation&user=&page=&excludetempacct=1&wpdate=&tagfilter=&wpfilters%5B%5D=newusers&wpFormIdentifier=logeventslist they don't appear very active, though], only marking 9 times this month, zero (0) of which were for pages marked for the first time. Both community translation admins used their global history and rights to get the role and only stop by occasionally, so having one who ''actually'' edits here would be nice. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 15:06, 20 May 2026 (UTC) ::This reply echos my philosophy of a sort of wiki-[[Q166005|xenophobia]] (the term xenophobia is probably too harsh, and I wouldn't consider myself one in real life, but it's the best word I can think of), I generally distrust users with a lot of global rights (both global sysop etc. and large amounts of local rights) who come make [[m:Metapedianism|metapedian]] contributions, not as people but to their ability to handle Wikifunctions and Abstract Wikipedia as incredibly unique and technically complex projects. I apologize if it my opinions come off as rude or ungrateful, I do appreciate the work of our translation administrators. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 15:26, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :::You don't bother me, it's fine. I think they definitely have a place, they can be useful and they usually are. Obviously local admins and what have you that earned their roles through the trust and reputation of the specific community they are in are going to occupy a more trusting position in my mind than a global sysop or global ''anything''. Specialized role members are good and healthy in the long term; I think we are giving these privileges to global users sparingly as the project is still in its infancy and as core contributors emerge and take up key positions we will have a more well-rounded and self-sustaining community with less global privileges needed to take up certain tasks. Wikifunctions probably needed some Foundation members or other staff to act as functioneers initially while the general community was still orienting themselves with WikiLambda and working on applying for the role, but now we have [[f:Special:ListUsers/functioneer|74(!) of them]] and the number of normal members using their specialized skills outnumbers those who were "grandfathered" in (for lack of a better term) or similar. The wiki is young—it just needs time. I myself have been considering applying for sysop privileges since they are obviously needed (there being exactly Zero of them at the moment); I've been weighing the pros and cons of such a commitment, it's obviously a lot to take up. I wish your sysop request went through, I think you would have made a great admin here. I'm unsure of what others think of my capabilities, I'm rather in-and-out around these social spaces so I don't know if there's much to go off of. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 15:55, 20 May 2026 (UTC) ::::Totally agree, and I'd support a sysopship request as well, though I'm apparently not good at assessing what the community considers supportable in admin candidate ;). ::::Off-topic, but interestingly, the sysop toolset allows you to grant yourself translation adminship. I'm not sure if sysops are expected not to grant themselves the permissions (kind of like how on enwiki 'crats are expected not grant themselves any rights without discussion despite having the technical rights), but I did it to myself on WF because [https://www.wikifunctions.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&logid=84940 another sysop had]. Additionally, the functioneer right [[Special:ListGroupRights#functioneer|exists on this wiki]], with the same rights on WF, despite all of them not doing anything on this wiki. I believe this is because, on the technical side, both AW and WF are powered by the same MediaWiki extension (Wikilambda), with one wiki set to a mode for abstract articles and another set to a mode for ZObjects. [https://dag.wikipedia.org/wiki/Di%C5%8B%27gahim:ListGroupRights#functioneer Checking the Dagbani Wikipedia] supports this theory. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 18:00, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :::::It always depends on the local policy. For Wikifunctions it is: ''Administrators do not need to undergo another discussion to become translation administrators; they can self-grant the rights to their account if necessary. Temporary administrators are not allowed to self-grant permanent translation administrator rights.'' :::::The availability of the functioneer right is a bug, see [[phab:T407066]]. --[[User:Ameisenigel|Ameisenigel]] ([[User talk:Ameisenigel|talk]]) 19:36, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :::If you don't consider yourself a xenophobe in real life, I would recommend not calling yourself that here, or anywhere really. Especially since it was the ideological capture during the 2010s of the Croatian-language Wikipedia [[w:hr:]] by actual xenophobes that was part of the impetus for Abstract Wikipedia according to [https://simia.net/wiki/Draft:_Collaborating_on_the_sum_of_all_knowledge_across_languages#A_look_on_some_south_Slavic_language_Wikipedias Denny's blog]. [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 22:10, 26 May 2026 (UTC) == Policy drafts == Hi all! I've written some draft policies and guidelines over the last few days. We're not a bureaucracy, so the point is not to set some rules but to kick off some discussions as to how our wiki will work. So far, I've created: * [[Abstract Wikipedia:Notability|a notability guideline]] * [[Abstract Wikipedia:Deletion policy|a deletion policy]] I've written them as my opinion on what should happen, but I'm hoping to align them with community consensus as we discuss them more. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 13:44, 21 May 2026 (UTC) == Wikifunctions & Abstract Wikipedia Newsletter #249 is out: Annual plan 2026-2027 == There is [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-05-23|a new update]] for Abstract Wikipedia and Wikifunctions. Please, come and read it! In this issue, we present you the current draft of objectives for Wikifunctions and Abstract Wikipedia in the WMF Annual Plan 2026-2027, and we take a look at the latest software developments. Want to catch up with the previous updates? Check [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates|our archive]]! Enjoy the reading! -- [[User:Sannita (WMF)|User:Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 09:48, 25 May 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Sannita (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Wikifunctions_%26_Abstract_Wikipedia&oldid=30536976 --> == To abstract Wikipedia or be the Abstract Wikipedia == There is a discussion happening about what the [[Abstract Wikipedia:Notability|notability criteria]] for Abstract Wikipedia should be, and in trying to participate I've found my idea of Abstract Wikipedia is awfully abstract. Is Abstract Wikipedia supposed to abstract Wikipedia, as in abstracting information from existing articles on the language Wikipedias (barring new contributions), or is it supposed to become the Abstract Wikipedia, supporting collaboration across all languages like it's the language Wikipedia to end all language Wikipedias (allowing new contributions)? I thought the answer would be obvious, but the name Abstract Wikipedia is a bit ambiguous. Am I missing something? [[User:Some helpful person|Some helpful person]] ([[User talk:Some helpful person|talk]]) 02:16, 27 May 2026 (UTC) :I think ({{ping|DVrandecic (WMF)|p=?}}) the idea is (and I personally prefer) the latter. I believe that, given the fact that it's much easier to write a concrete article than an abstract article, and the fact that the community of potential future contributors on enwiki is skeptical ''at best'', we ultimately will never expand beyond the size of other wikis, but I see no problem with allowing volunteers to add information not on other wikis (it's probably not the most effective, but they're volunteers, beggars can't be choosers), as long as it's not vandalism, useless, or promotional slop. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 02:31, 27 May 2026 (UTC) :@[[User:Some helpful person|Some helpful person]] Abstract Wikipedia is a Wikipedia, where people can collaborate across languages on articles, which can then be used to fill gaps in the existing Wikipedias. Whereas I expect that current Wikipedia articles might be used as a convenient starting point for many of the articles in Abstract Wikipedia, this is more a consequence of Wikipedia being one of the best places to go to to find reliable knowledge, but that is not part of how it is supposed to work. So, this is not to abstract the existing Wikipedias, but to collaborate on an Abstract Wikipedia. At no point is this meant to replace existing Wikipedias. (Thanks to @[[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] for the ping!) --[[User:DVrandecic (WMF)|DVrandecic (WMF)]] ([[User talk:DVrandecic (WMF)|talk]]) 17:01, 27 May 2026 (UTC) ::Thank you, this makes a lot more sense now. [[User:Some helpful person|Some helpful person]] ([[User talk:Some helpful person|talk]]) 21:52, 27 May 2026 (UTC) == template suggestion == Some way to mock abstract syntax on talk and project pages, analogous to those in [[d:category:format Template]]. [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 15:21, 27 May 2026 (UTC) :Hmm. I agree. :Workshopping ideas for how it works: :* Invokation: <nowiki>{{Call|Z26039|{"Z1K1": "Z18", "Z18K1": "Z825K1"}|{"Z1K1": "Z6091", "Z6091K1": "Q634"}|{"Z1K1": "Z18", "Z18K1": "Z825K1"}|lang=en}}</nowiki> :** This could then be suplemented by helper templates: <nowiki>{{Call|Z26039|{{Wikidata item argument reference}}|{{Wikidata item reference|Q634}}|{{Language argument reference}}}}</nowiki> :* This would result in "[[f:Z26039|subject is instance of (string)]] (wikidata item reference, [[d:Q634|planet]], language)" :** Icons are missing in this example, I'm not sure if we can actually add them :Thoughts? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 16:04, 27 May 2026 (UTC) == Marking NLG Default text == Some NLG functions give default texts, like [[f:Z33420|Z33420]] will give text like "Paris ∈ {city}". sometimes in other languages the English text is show. Currently there is no visual clue that these texts are not normal text in the requested language. I propose we mark these text with color <span style="color:magenta;">Paris ∈ {city}</span> with something like <nowiki><span style="color:magenta;">Paris ∈ {city}</span></nowiki>. To have this configurable/maintainable this could be included in a function, called NLG default text or so, with a text as input an a text in color as output. The exact formatting like magenta color or gray background or something else can be discussed/decided later. To have it even more configurable on personal stylesheets it could use a class like <nowiki><span class="NLG Default text">Paris ∈ {city}</span></nowiki>. What do you think? Could somebody make such a function already? [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 12:00, 29 May 2026 (UTC) :The are technically just monolingual texts in a language called "multiple languages". I threw a prototype together really quickly, [[f:Z35839]]. It will accept strings, monolingual texts, and html fragments as input, so you have to select which type you want. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 14:59, 29 May 2026 (UTC) ::OK, thanks, I added it to [[f:Z26039]] and works as expected, see [https://www.wikifunctions.org/wiki/Z26039?call=%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z7%22%2C%22Z7K1%22%3A%22Z26039%22%2C%22Z26039K1%22%3A%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z6091%22%2C%22Z6091K1%22%3A%22Q64%22%7D%2C%22Z26039K2%22%3A%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z6091%22%2C%22Z6091K1%22%3A%22Q515%22%7D%2C%22Z26039K3%22%3A%22Z1555%22%7D here]. The test for the function with default text now fails because it now is in magenta color. That was to be expected. I will leave the tests unchanged if that is OK with you, as we might need to change the exact formatting. ::Is it OK to add this to other NLG functions that produce default output? [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 15:59, 29 May 2026 (UTC) :::Sure, [[w:en:WP:Be bold|be bold]]! [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 20:50, 29 May 2026 (UTC) ::::Feeglgeef, I am struggling with the output. Can you have a look? [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 17:02, 30 May 2026 (UTC) :::::Can you link me to where? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 17:08, 30 May 2026 (UTC) ::::::{{Q|90}} in a language vls should give a magenta text. Instead it gives "Wikifunctions returned a failed response: Unspecified error". [[f:Z33422]] results "<span style="color: magenta;">Parys ∈ {stad}</span>" (as a string). [[f:Z26039]] also gives "<span style="color: magenta;">Parys ∈ {stad}</span>", but it's test [[f:Z33726]] gives an HTML equivalent, not a string. [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 17:59, 30 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::You shouldn't be returning HTML in string-typed functions. I'm not sure, then, how we implement your proposal, actually. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 18:54, 30 May 2026 (UTC) ::::::::I tried with [[f:Z35921]] but now the output is the literal text, and not HTML. Does anybody have an idea how to implement the text in a color? ::::::::Alternatively we could use texts like // Parys ∈ {stad} //. [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 16:51, 31 May 2026 (UTC) ::::::::: You need to output [[f:Z89|HTML fragment]], not String. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 17:16, 31 May 2026 (UTC) :I agree with the above that this should not be applied to functions which return strings or monolingual text. If anything, it might work to insert it into functions returning HTML. The most egregious problems I've seen are when I tried to render into an RTL language (e.g. Hebrew 0 try on [[Q408]]), and it spilled all the formatting all over the article. I will revert the change to the string default at [[:f:Z33421]], but suggest it is tested carefully if implemented elsewhere. In general I prefer just marking with spans rather than colours at this stage. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 04:49, 3 June 2026 (UTC) :: Perhaps mark with spans given a specific ID and then allow users to use a userscript/gadget to paint them magenta? That seems like the most considerate approach. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 05:12, 3 June 2026 (UTC) :::[[:f:Z32234]] suggests something like <code>span lang="mul"</code> or similar. [[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 05:20, 3 June 2026 (UTC) ::::I will (carefully) try some other alternatives, and use a personal class in my userscript for <nowiki><span class="NLG Default text"></nowiki>. [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 14:05, 4 June 2026 (UTC) ::::: If possible, can you use <nowiki><span lang="mul"></nowiki>? This would allow it to also catch some instances automatically. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 16:14, 4 June 2026 (UTC) ::::::I have done so, but how can I set my personal stylesheet to show color magenta with <nowiki><span lang="mul"></nowiki>? [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 22:20, 4 June 2026 (UTC) ::::::: try adding this to [[Special:MyPage/common.css]]: ::::::: [lang="mul"] {<br> color: magenta;<br> } [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 23:48, 4 June 2026 (UTC) == Ratification of the deletion policy proposal? == I haven't seen any unresolved objections to my proposal for a [[Abstract Wikipedia:Deletion policy|policy for deletion]]. Does anybody have any issues, and, if not, is it ok to ratify as an actual policy? I intend to remove the draft template and replace it with a policy template unless anyone voices any objection within a week. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 20:55, 29 May 2026 (UTC) :Is it just me or does [[Abstract Wikipedia:Deletion policy#Reasons for deletion]] render blank with only number bullets without the actual text after ''1.'' or ''2.''? [[User:Bunnypranav|Bunnypranav]] ([[User talk:Bunnypranav|talk]]) 07:13, 30 May 2026 (UTC) ::I see text. ―[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''<span style="color:black">v</span>f</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 07:49, 30 May 2026 (UTC) :::I can see on my phone, but it goes blank on my laptop. What is the role of ''<nowiki><span class="anchor" id="1"></nowiki>''? [[User:Bunnypranav|Bunnypranav]] ([[User talk:Bunnypranav|talk]]) 12:15, 30 May 2026 (UTC) ::::{{ping|Bunnypranav}} I can see the text everywhere (I tested connected and not connected, on my phone, laptop, with Chrome or Firefox ; what system do you use?). As the name suggest, the span anchor is here to create an HTML anchor, so you can do link like [[Abstract_Wikipedia:Deletion_policy#7]]. Cheers, [[User:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[User talk:VIGNERON|talk]]) 13:49, 30 May 2026 (UTC) :::::I'm on Brave browser. Nevertheless, forget it. The culprit might be some random customization I did to my system which I cannot recollect. The reason is the span tag only though, tried a preview kicking out a text to just outside the tag and it worked. [[User:Bunnypranav|Bunnypranav]] ([[User talk:Bunnypranav|talk]]) 14:23, 30 May 2026 (UTC) :Globally, it looks fine. I think that reasons 7 and 8 may need some examples/clarifications. There is no global consensus when it comes to creating categories. For example, categories for building interiors and exteriors. Personally, I feel that they are useful for easier discoverability. [[User:Jsamwrites|John Samuel]] ([[User:Jsamwrites|talk]]) 15:39, 30 May 2026 (UTC) ::I've copied them over from enwiki. They're probably included in "content otherwise not suited for an encyclopedia." Since sysops can't speedy them, it'd be up to commenters on [[Abstract:RFD]] to determine. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 16:48, 30 May 2026 (UTC) == Wikifunctions & Abstract Wikipedia Newsletter #250 is out: Looking back and forward == There is [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-05-30|a new update]] for Abstract Wikipedia and Wikifunctions. Please, come and read it! In this issue, we present you a recollection of our work so far, now that we celebrate our 250th newsletter, we share with you a summary of our latest outreach activities, and we take a look at the latest software developments. Want to catch up with the previous updates? Check [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates|our archive]]! Enjoy the reading! -- [[User:Sannita (WMF)|User:Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 10:04, 1 June 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Sannita (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Wikifunctions_%26_Abstract_Wikipedia&oldid=30606821 --> == Yet another suggested function proposal == Perhaps it's a bit early, but can [[f:Z36049]] be added to [[MediaWiki:AbstractWikiSuggestedWikifunctions.json]]? See [[Q38726]] for an example use. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 23:54, 4 June 2026 (UTC) : Meh. Consider this withdrawn until we know more about what we want image creation to look like. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 05:06, 5 June 2026 (UTC) cryac1rtxg4vipnw10xpvyzncuzxsoa 9643 9621 2026-06-05T11:25:31Z HenkvD 1447 /* Marking NLG Default text */ now using using emoji text 9643 wikitext text/x-wiki {{#ifexist:Abstract Wikipedia:Project chat/Header/{{USERLANGUAGE}}|{{/Header/{{USERLANGUAGE}}}}|{{/Header}}}} {{/Archives}} <!-- Add your discussion below this line --> == Why don't we just structure this with wikitemplates? == I feel like the project could be done a lot better by using templates kind of like how wikipedia does them. Just the entire thing is templates that can be rendered in many languages. So like [[Q106289265]] would have the content <nowiki>{{Z26039|Q7257}}</nowiki> and could even have some aliasing done across languages so it could be <nowiki>{{subject is|Q7257}}</nowiki>. Code would be editable with a regular visual editor or code editor. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 04:34, 29 March 2026 (UTC) :This is available in pages when Parsoid rendering is enabled. We don't use this becuase it doesn't make sense for constructing and editing massive articles. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 21:37, 29 March 2026 (UTC) ::How do you do parsoid rendering? And why wouldn't it make sense? With aliases and everything could work great. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 23:12, 29 March 2026 (UTC) :::I believe it is enabled by default. If you do have it on: {{#function:Z10000|you'll s|ee this}} [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 14:54, 30 March 2026 (UTC) :you may be interested in reading this old [[m:Abstract_Wikipedia/Google.org_Fellows_evaluation|Google report]]. [[User:BrokenSegue|BrokenSegue]] ([[User talk:BrokenSegue|talk]]) 14:32, 9 May 2026 (UTC) == Why the editing API doesn't work == {{tracked|T423542}} Immanuelle wrongly stated that there is no REST API for editing. [[#REST API for editing?|There is]]. However, it does not work when called from software outside Abstract Wikipedia. That is because there is no way to grant a bot password or OAuth customer the permission to edit abstract articles (<code>wikilambda-abstract-edit</code>) and create them (<code>wikilambda-abstract-create</code>), since no grant on [[Special:ListGrants]] includes either. Should this be fixed? [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 01:57, 26 April 2026 (UTC) :Yes I think the rights should be added. I think the number of automated edits should be low at the moment as Abstract Wikipedia is still in an early phase and so far there is not much support for small languages and so many functions will maybe change to cover more languages. As automatic editing using a Bot Account requires an formal request it is no problem if the option exists. [[User:Hogü-456|Hogü-456]] ([[User talk:Hogü-456|talk]]) 18:17, 26 April 2026 (UTC) :Sounds good to me. Could we add a bot section to [[Abstract Wikipedia:Requests for permissions]]? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 23:35, 5 May 2026 (UTC) ::[[Abstract_Wikipedia:Requests_for_permissions#Bot]] ―[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''<span style="color:black">v</span>f</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 23:56, 5 May 2026 (UTC) :not currently possible :((((( [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 14:46, 30 April 2026 (UTC) :Feeglgeef is correct, past tense sentence generation is something we are sorely lacking at the moment. If you look at [[f:WF:Type proposals#Representing abstract content|Wikifunctions' type proposals]] you can see some initiatives that could hopefully mitigate this. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 13:49, 1 May 2026 (UTC) == Spaces between sentences, another attempt == [[Abstract Wikipedia:Project chat#Extra spaces between sentences|A month ago]], @[[User:内存溢出的猫|内存溢出的猫]]<ref group="spaces3>According to Google Translate, it's pronounced "Nèicún yìchū de māo". Please correct me if it's wrong. When I write, I want to know how are things that I write pronounced aloud, and very unfortunately, I never learned to read Chinese characters, and even if I did, most English speakers probably didn't. Come to think of it, is there a function that ''reliably'' transliterates Chinese characters?</ref> That discussion doesn't seem to have yielded any fixes or meaningful discussions, at least not that I can see. [[Abstract Wikipedia:Project chat#Spaces between sentences|Two weeks ago]], I tried to bring up a similar topic, but that discussion somehow got derailed and also didn't yield anything useful. Now, the problem looks differently, but it's still a problem. When I look at [[Q10251]], for example, what I see is four sentences that ''appear'' with ''no'' spaces between them. Not one, not two—none at all. It looks like this: :Plasma is a fundamental state of matter.Plasma is a classical state of matter.A plasma is a gas.A plasma is a matter. Note that I emphasized ''appear'': When I see them rendered on the screen, they have no spaces between them. In the HTML, however, they are represented as four <code><nowiki><div></nowiki></code>s, and their inline positioning is handled by CSS. This means, for example, that if I copy and paste them, I don't get a long string with no spaces after full stops, but four sentences with a single line break after each full stop: <poem> Plasma is a fundamental state of matter. Plasma is a classical state of matter. A plasma is a gas. A plasma is a matter. </poem> This is not how it is supposed to be done. <code><nowiki><div></nowiki></code>s are supposed to be used for block elements and not hacked into appearing as if they are inline (also known as phrasing). Spaces between sentences are supposed to be real characters rather than HTML and CSS tricks, they may be different in different languages, and in some languages they may be nothing at all. I hope that the definition of the problem is clear. <references group="spaces3"></references> [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 12:49, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :Hi, have a look at it [[Special:PermanentLink/7132|now]]. Does this match your expectations? I think it's not rendering right now for whatever reason, but there are other examples of it being done this way that you can see: [[Q241691]]. The article renders properly in both English (spaces between sentences) and Japanese (no spaces at all). : :'''English:''' :<blockquote>Programmed Data Processor is a computer model series by Digital Equipment Corporation. PDP-8 is a Programmed Data Processor.</blockquote> :'''Japanese:''' :<blockquote>PDPシリーズはディジタル・イクイップメント・コーポレーションによるコンピュータ・モデル・シリーズである。PDP-8はPDPシリーズである。</blockquote> : :I have some, err, strong opinions about [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]]'s 「Abstract Wikipedia Editor」 tool, which is the predominant cause for all of these very janky and poorly-laid-out articles that you see. This is not how an article ought to be written on Abstract Wikipedia, and I and other editors are aware of this. If you see these problems, please do fix them! The wiki will be all the better for it. : :In the absence of consensus on such things as these (and awaiting any official policy pages) I have written [[f:User:Theki/best practices]] on my Wikifunctions userpage. You are welcome to read it if you wish. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 17:20, 2 May 2026 (UTC) ::The output of [[Q241691]] looks OK to me in this regard. How was it done? ::[[Q10251]] gives me an error. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 18:10, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :::WikiLambda is doing WikiLambda things. This WASI time limit error happens intermittently on Abstract Wikipedia articles and it usually goes away after a short while. The only thing is that it doesn't really seem like purging these articles does anything to force the orchestrator to retry its evaluation so the article might not render that paragraph until someone comes in and pokes at it by editing it somehow. ::: :::The working article uses the [[f:Z33068|''paragraph from sentences'']] function to lay out its individual sentence content. This function automatically handles converting any and all text-like objects (strings, HTML fragments, and monolingual text) to a consistent form, so sentence fragments can all be supplied verbatim to its list input. When the function is putting the sentences together it defaults to using a single space to separate them, but first checks if the requested language is in the [[f:Z33984|''languages without spaces between sentences'']] list. If it is, it doesn't add spaces at all, and just concatenates the sentences normally. I hope this explanation makes sense. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 18:19, 2 May 2026 (UTC) ::::It makes some sense, but earlier, you suggested: "If you see these problems, please do fix them", and I'm not entirely sure how to do it. How would I fix it in [[Q100]], for example? [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 19:41, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :::::In this case you would do the following: :::::# At the bottom, click the plus and then 「Add empty fragment」. :::::# Set the function to [[f:Z33068]], as mentioned earlier. :::::# Now go through each sentence fragment, find the innermost sentence-generation function, click on the three dots, and copy it. Do not copy the calls to [[f:Z29749]] or similar, these are not necessary. :::::# Go to the ''paragraph with sentences'' function call and add an element to the list. :::::# Click on the three dots next to the new element, and paste in the earlier sentence fragment. :::::# You can now delete the original fragment and repeat the process in the same list for the one after it. :::::&mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 19:46, 2 May 2026 (UTC) ::@[[User:Theki|Theki]] I intend on fixing it, I recently made an attempt but the suggested fixes made problems worse. Do you have any practical suggestions of how to structure the templates? I will try to implement them when I have more time. ::Also your name is very confusing, are you in the process of getting it changed wiki-wide? [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 22:36, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :::Um, are you referring to my signature not matching my wiki username? I have considered for a long time changing it from ''theki'', but I don't feel like putting in the effort when it seems to be perfectly ignorable for most people. The user 「''Rae''」 can't be usurped because they made, like, two or three articles on the Persian Wikipedia two decades ago or something, I don't know. If that weren't the case I would be User:Rae right now but after that failed to go through I just decided to stop bothering. Maybe at some point I'll come up with a username I'm happy with keeping for the foreseeable future but I have other concerns at the moment. :::Could you explain how your attempted fixes 「made problems worse」? Presently I side with Feeglgeef's sentiments and prefer to wait for abstract content to actually be feasible to make on a reasonably descriptive scale (see: the type proposals) before I go around making articles willy-nilly, which is what AWE has been doing—making a bunch of pretty low-quality articles on a massive scale when it probably ''really'' would have been better to, err, hold off on that. :::And I honestly know very little about the actual workings of your editor, I don't really use it nor am I familiar with its template syntax or whatever it may use, so I'm going to look over how it actually works and then get back to you on that. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 23:28, 2 May 2026 (UTC) ::::Using this [[f:Z33068]] made things worse [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 00:44, 3 May 2026 (UTC) :::::That did not go through correctly but I do not think we have a proper thing for it. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 00:45, 3 May 2026 (UTC) ::::::What? Could you elaborate? &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 01:00, 3 May 2026 (UTC) ::::::{{ping|Immanuelle}} I checked. Your issue is that your editor is not providing the article language to Z33068K2; that is, the ''paragraph from sentences'' function has a second argument, and your editor was omitting it. If you properly specify it, it will work. Please, next time, actually tell me what went wrong instead of going quiet and forcing me to look after it myself. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 17:06, 4 May 2026 (UTC) :I avoid [[f:Z33068]] for now, because executing a whole paragraph in a single call would often time out. So my current alternative is inserting [[f:Z35672]] between sentences. Fairly clunky, but it works... --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 06:08, 28 May 2026 (UTC) ::Can you categorize the talk pages of articles you're doing that with? It has major accessibility concerns for our friends using screen readers, so it'd be nice to be able to find those with issues when were able to fix the calls [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 21:50, 28 May 2026 (UTC) :::I think the new tool can show us this (via dumps). For example, here are the uses of 'paragraph': https://abstract-data.toolforge.org/zid/Z32123 --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 23:07, 28 May 2026 (UTC) ::::There's more than one way to not use spaces correctly and more than one way to use spaces correctly, this wouldn't catch all of them. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 23:13, 28 May 2026 (UTC) :::::I'm not totally sure what you want to track, but I'm confident that this will find all my uses. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 02:10, 29 May 2026 (UTC) ::::I think it slipped past everyone's notice, but I made a template for linking to that sort of information @ [[Template:Zd|<nowiki>{{</nowiki>zd<nowiki>}}</nowiki>]]. {{zd|Z35672|sentence separator}} <span style="font-size:smaller;opacity:0.8">(I don't think the database dumps have noticed the function you're using yet, so it's a 404 at the moment.)</span> &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 01:09, 29 May 2026 (UTC) ===Easier solution?=== Maybe a much easier solution would be to replace the "." after each sentence with ". " (a full stop and a space). The paragraghs might add an extra space, but that is displayed as one by the browser. [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) ==Wiktionary integration== I was trying out a few functions recently, such as [https://www.wikifunctions.org/view/en/Z27243 the new superlative function], and I noticed that ''every adjective'' has to be a Wikidata item. For example, I couldn't type in the inputs "Bugatti Veyron", "fast", "Earth" because "fast" as an adjective is not a Wikidata item. This doesn't really make sense, given that Wiktionary already has the word for "fast" and its superlative form in many different languages. Would it be possible to integrate Wiktionary into the function, so the user can type an adjective or verb from Wiktionary instead of having to deal with Wikidata (which consists almost entirely of nouns)? [[User:Somepinkdude|Somepinkdude]] ([[User talk:Somepinkdude|talk]]) 16:49, 6 May 2026 (UTC) :No, sadly. I would try "speed" as the adjective, though, you have to use abstract qualities instead of concrete English terms. [[File:Wikifunctions Superlative speed example.png|thumb|Here's an example of the word being used.]] [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 18:02, 6 May 2026 (UTC) :Wikidata has standard items as well as lexeme data, so if anything, we should try to integrate those. E.g. [[:d:Lexeme:L1029]]. ―[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''<span style="color:black">v</span>f</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 19:48, 6 May 2026 (UTC) ::I tried this, and it gave "Bugatti Veyron is the speedest car on Earth", which is laughably bad. The problem is that Wikidata does not "know" what the superlative form is, while Wiktionary does. Speed is a fairly common descriptor, but what about less common adjectives which aren't on Wikidata? Will there need to be a bot to copy all of this information from Wiktionary? [[User:Somepinkdude|Somepinkdude]] ([[User talk:Somepinkdude|talk]]) 22:14, 6 May 2026 (UTC) :::I'm not suggesting that the functionality works <em>now</em>, but that we need to integrate the funcationality. ―[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''<span style="color:black">v</span>f</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 22:17, 6 May 2026 (UTC) :::Well, no, the superlative form is chosen by [[f:Z12203]]. I think there's a bug with the English implementation that calls that function wrong. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 22:19, 6 May 2026 (UTC) :@[[User:Somepinkdude|Somepinkdude]] I did find the item {{Q|Q19807466}} which was linked to a concept database's entry for "fast"; I have at least linked it to the English lexeme "fast" and will try to add more links at a better hour. [[User:Mahir256|Mahir256]] ([[User talk:Mahir256|talk]]) 04:18, 7 May 2026 (UTC) == Showcase == I was wondering if there's a curated list of decent articles to learn by example here on Abstract Wikipedia? [[User:Fgnievinski|Fgnievinski]] ([[User talk:Fgnievinski|talk]]) 02:02, 8 May 2026 (UTC) :Unfortunately not, and, honestly, I wouldn't recommend article creation at the moment, it's likely to need significant refactoring as the way we represent abstract content changes, but, I can point you to [[Q668]] as a reasonably good example at the moment. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 02:39, 8 May 2026 (UTC) ::Thank you. "308 languages" blew my mind – well done! [[User:Fgnievinski|Fgnievinski]] ([[User talk:Fgnievinski|talk]]) 02:54, 8 May 2026 (UTC) :::308 is the number of ''concrete'' Wikipedias in which a manually-written article about India is available. :::The abstract article renders for me in English as "India is a country in Asia. India is a republic. New Delhi is the capital of India. India is the most populous country in world." Switching to another language to get rendered as an abstract article is done by typing the language's name in the box above the rendered text. I tried French, German, and Dutch, and got errors in all of them. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 03:12, 8 May 2026 (UTC) ::::So it goes. The paragraph has quite a lot of distinct sentence generation functions, all of which of course have to be implemented in the target language. This will be rounded out once we're able to more effectively generalize linguistic content. I view these functions as sort of patchy temporary solutions to the sentence generation problem while we figure out something more robust, which I hope is soon to come. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 04:15, 8 May 2026 (UTC) == Wikifunctions & Abstract Wikipedia Newsletter #247 is out: References from Wikidata now available == There is [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-05-08|a new update]] for Abstract Wikipedia and Wikifunctions. Please, come and read it! In this issue, we announce that is now possible to pass references in Wikidata statements, we introduce the [https://abstract-data.toolforge.org/ Abstract Data dashboard], we report you on the presentation about Abstract Wikipedia at WikiCon Australia, and we take a look at the latest software developments. Want to catch up with the previous updates? Check [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates|our archive]]! Also, we remind you that if you have questions or ideas to discuss, the next '''Volunteers' Corner''' will be held on '''[https://zonestamp.toolforge.org/1778520600 May 11, at 17:30 UTC]''' ([https://meet.google.com/xuy-njxh-rkw link to the meeting]). Enjoy the reading! -- [[User:Sannita (WMF)|User:Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 11:16, 8 May 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Sannita (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Wikifunctions_%26_Abstract_Wikipedia&oldid=30325620 --> == about the usage of Z33068 == The use of [[f:Z33068]] (en: paragraph from sentences) <s>always</s> most of the time results in the error "Reached time limit in orchestrator." So should it be used at all for now, temporarily? Or maybe there are already some tickets about this that I am not aware of? -- [[User:Asked42|Asked42]] ([[User talk:Asked42|talk]]) 18:23, 10 May 2026 (UTC) :It previously worked, so I'm hoping whatever the issue is will be fixed soon. The current state of the wiki makes [[m:Immediatism|immediatism]] an illogical philosophy to have at the moment, in my opinion. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 20:16, 10 May 2026 (UTC) ::This issue seems to no longer exist, you might need to clear the cache by making a dummy edit on affected articles. I implemented the function in Python (instead of composition), which has increased the speed by about 2000 ms. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 04:31, 11 May 2026 (UTC) :::Seems like working. Thank you. -- [[User:Asked42|Asked42]] ([[User talk:Asked42|talk]]) 19:06, 11 May 2026 (UTC) == Manual of Style == I've created a [[Abstract Wikipedia:Manual of Style|draft for a Manual of Style]]. Please feel free to comment on or make bold edits to the page. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 03:29, 11 May 2026 (UTC) :Thank you! That’s great and I’ll look at it more soon. I’m still taking a bit of a wikibreak. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 22:32, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :Is there anything I've written [[f:User:Theki/best_practices#Abstract_Wikipedia|here]] that you think would make for a good technical section of the page? &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 00:04, 15 May 2026 (UTC) ::I've added some of them. Thank you for your list of best practices by the way, I generally agree with them (I can't endorse connecting WD items currently in hope of a better technical solution, but otherwise I do). [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 00:58, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Proposals on the architecture of Abstract Content rendering == Starting from a discussion born on the Wikifunctions Telegram chat, I've explained two different proposals on how the NLG on Abstract Wikipedia should be organized in the page [[User:Dv103/Abstract articles architectures]]. Please come to contribute to the discussion, or to propose alternatives. [[User:Dv103|Dv103]] ([[User talk:Dv103|talk]]) 14:32, 11 May 2026 (UTC) == [[MediaWiki:Wikimedia-copyright-footer]] == The copyright message has a few issues, mainly that it does not address abstract content (which is not "text"), nor object labels (which are under CC0). Proposed text: "<nowiki> Text and abstract content are available under the [https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/ Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License]; the labels of objects from [[f:|Wikifunctions]] are available under the [https://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/ Creative Commons CC0 License]; additional terms may apply. See [https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Policy:Terms_of_Use Terms of Use] for details. </nowiki>" Which, when rendered, looks like: Text and abstract content are available under the [https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/ Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License]; the labels of objects from [[f:|Wikifunctions]] are available under the [https://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/ Creative Commons CC0 License]; additional terms may apply. See [https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Policy:Terms_of_Use Terms of Use] for details. The message is somewhat inspired by the current one and WF's. Thoughts? Thank you! [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 13:30, 12 May 2026 (UTC) :@[[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]]: As you probably imagine, this text is very tightly controlled by the Wikimedia Foundation's Legal department. I think the first port of call should be a discussion about why you might want to change things, rather than a rush to specific re-wordings, before approaching them for sign-off. [[User:Jdforrester (WMF)|Jdforrester (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Jdforrester (WMF)|talk]]) 14:28, 12 May 2026 (UTC) ::Well I briefly summarized my justification, my proposed text was just an idea for a starting point. Basically, the abstract content is not really "text", so the footer doesn't actually tell the reader what they're allowed to do with it, and I argue that the current wording implies that the labels are licensed under CC-BY-SA 4, when they aren't. I think a change is critical as otherwise we're not showing the reader a license, or, arguably, in the case of labels, showing users a license that ''does not apply'', which is a pretty bad thing. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 14:51, 12 May 2026 (UTC) == [[MediaWiki:AbstractWikiSuggestedWikifunctions.json]] == I'd think we should add [[f:Z33068]] here. The function allows you to form a paragraph out of sentences and handles languages having different standards of whether to add a space between them, and adding it here would make finding it easier. I'm not sure what policy we want to have for the suggested functions, this idea might help formulate it. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 16:06, 12 May 2026 (UTC) :[[User:Jdforrester (WMF)]] tells me the page has been changed to [[Special:CommunityConfiguration/AbstractWikiSuggestedWikifunctions]] on the telegram. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 16:25, 12 May 2026 (UTC) ::@[[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]]: Yup, see the weekly update on [[f:Wikifunctions:Status_updates/2026-05-02|2026-05-02]]. [[User:Jdforrester (WMF)|Jdforrester (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Jdforrester (WMF)|talk]]) 16:35, 12 May 2026 (UTC) :I also believe Z33068 should be added to the list. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 17:25, 12 May 2026 (UTC) {{done}} see [[Special:Diff/7692]]. Cheers, [[User:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[User talk:VIGNERON|talk]]) 09:08, 20 May 2026 (UTC) == Abstract Wikipedia statistics site source code == https://abstract-data.toolforge.org/ is a very useful tool, but it doesn't seem to have anything pointing to the location of its source code. Is it closed-source or unfree? While I'm at it I feel I should suggest having language pages' paths formatted differently from how they are currently—at the moment it's <code>/languages/Toki%20Pona</code> when something like <code>/languages/tok</code> would be more suitable. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; : See [[:gitlab:toolforge-repos/abstract-data]]. Also pinging {{ping|DSantamaria-WMF|p=}} (thanks for the tool, by the way). [[User:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|<span class="skin-invert" style="color:black;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:110%;font-weight:normal;line-height:normal">NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh</span>]] 00:25, 13 May 2026 (UTC) ::Thank you. I think a link to that repository should be put in a footer somewhere on the website as I wouldn't have found that if not for you. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 02:30, 13 May 2026 (UTC) :::{{ping|Theki}} For the record, I found that repo by searching for "abstract-data" on [[:toolhub:|Toolhub]]. [[User:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|<span class="skin-invert" style="color:black;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:110%;font-weight:normal;line-height:normal">NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh</span>]] 03:34, 13 May 2026 (UTC) :::Thanks for the feedback and the report, fixed both things, we have now the link to the repo in the side bar footer, and also the language codes are used in the URLs. Thanks! [[User:DSantamaria-WMF|DSantamaria-WMF]] ([[User talk:DSantamaria-WMF|talk]]) 11:46, 13 May 2026 (UTC) ::::Are you particularly attached to keeping country flag emojis next to the language names? Some consider it an [https://flagsarenotlanguages.com/blog anti-pattern]. [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 16:17, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::I think the use of flags is not really harmful since this is not a ''language selector'', it is just a list of languages. Of course not every language has an associated flag, for example Latin, which does look a bit awkward, but it can't be helped. Maybe give languages without a flag a unique icon from Wikimedia Commons? e.g. <div style="display:inline-flex;align-items:center;border:1px solid #0002;border-radius:4px;gap:4px;padding:4px;">[[File:Toki pona.svg|16px]] Toki Pona</div> instead of <div style="display:inline-flex;align-items:center;border:1px solid #0002;border-radius:4px;gap:4px;padding:4px;"><span>🌐</span>Toki Pona</div>. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 16:37, 14 May 2026 (UTC) ::::::I thought I saw 🏛️ being used for Latin earlier. But of course, as far as the Unicode Consortium is concerned, [[Q65300415|🇬🇧]] doesn't mean '[[Q1680|English]]', no more than [[Q100587670|🏳️‍🌈]] means '[[Q1359130|Polari]]'; technically, it doesn't even mean '[[Q145|United Kingdom]]', just the letters 🇺 and 🇰 next to each other (which linguistically would indicate [[Q8798|Ukrainian]] in ISO 639, but these are 'regional indicator symbols'). [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 17:21, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::As seems (from this comment and also [[f:User_talk:DSantamaria-WMF#c-%E9%AD%94%E7%90%B4-20260513063700-Country_flags_in_abstract-data|others' comments]]) that flags are a little bit controversial, I just removed them, IMHO it was just an aesthetic concept, I like the look and feel that flags bring to the language labels, but happy to remove them if make some people feel uncomfortable with the concept. [[User:DSantamaria-WMF|DSantamaria-WMF]] ([[User talk:DSantamaria-WMF|talk]]) 05:54, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Make it more user Friendly == Make it more user-friendly by adding drag-and-drop compenots and one click additions, and make it similar to a visual macro buidler. [[User:ChippyTechGH|ChippyTechGH]] ([[User talk:ChippyTechGH|talk]]) 01:00, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :Could you file something like this on [[phab:|phabricator]]? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 01:01, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Person infoboxes == Hi all, I've just created [[f:Z35167|infobox for person (Z35167)]]. All it can really do presently is display the name of the person in the chosen language and in the person's native language, but it's a good start. I started writing it as a composition but chose to switch to writing it in JavaScript instead, which ended up being less headache-inducing (managing a large list of strings to concatenate together is not fun, plus compositions bring lots of additional overhead). Unfortunately, this means that the actual ''useful'' parts of the infobox—the information about the person themself—is not really doable. I'd need to dereference the Wikidata property references to get their label in the requested language, but since they're references and I'm working with code, not compositions, I can't just call [[f:Z6822|fetch Wikidata property (Z6822)]] and be done with it. If there's a WikiLambda API to do this inside of the JS itself that would be great and would solve everything, but at the moment that alone is what's holding it back, or so it seems. I can get the actual ''values'' of statements just fine, though. If I am missing some amazing WikiLambda API function that will solve this problem for me by letting me dereference the PID, then please let me know because that would be great. If you want to look at an example of the infobox right meow, you can view [https://abstract.wikipedia.org/view/tok/Q317521 Q317521 in Toki Pona] and see how it states Musk's name in both Toki Pona ''and'' his native English name. COOL! My hope is that this can be made less barebones in the near future. Infoboxes are a great way to get quick information on a subject and can fill in the informational gaps in the presently sparse articles we have at the moment, all while staying in the user's requested language. Feedback is appreciated! &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 02:58, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :Thank you for this! I wonder if perhaps it would be better to create one "infobox" function and then have compositions call that, making wd retrival possible? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 03:38, 15 May 2026 (UTC) ::Working on that at the moment, I think I've got it working but I'm hitting a ratelimit in the orchestrator so I don't know for sure. The main issue with it now is that the actual [[f:Z35175|infobox template (Z35175)]] wrapper was programmed in JS so as to not be a pain in the ass, so this means that it can only take in strings, HTML fragments, etc. so the retrieval of Wikidata stuff still needs to be done by the caller and is rather verbose (see [[f:Z35168|the main implementation]]). The niceties will come soon later once I know that it all works at a lower level, though. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 05:04, 15 May 2026 (UTC) ::So the problem now seems to be that when [[f:Z29825|label of Wikidata property in language (Z29825)]] isn't being faulty, it's being incredibly slow. Considering retrieving Wikidata items from their references seems to take, like, four to five seconds, and we'll have tens of statements in these infoboxes, I don't see how the property names could be retrieved in a way that doesn't cause the orchestrator to time out or hit a ratelimit. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 06:01, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :::I think I figured something out? I'm just going to try calling [[f:Z35036|fetch Wikidata property or parts (Z35036)]], it seems to be much faster for whatever reason. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 06:05, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :::It works now, a little rough around the edges, also very slow, but I think I'm mostly happy with it. Of course it would be great if all you needed to provide to the template function to get a label-statement row was the property reference itself, but I'm too sleep-deprived to figure that out at the moment. I made five bespoke functions specifically for this infobox, more than I would like, but it's probably not ''that'' bad. I'm just hoping I didn't duplicate any functionality in trying to make the composition less verbose and repetitive. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 07:15, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Wikifunctions & Abstract Wikipedia Newsletter #248 is out: A higher meaning == There is [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-05-15|a new update]] for Abstract Wikipedia and Wikifunctions. Please, come and read it! In this issue, we discuss functions creating language fragments, we present our latest news in Types, and we take a look at the latest software developments. Want to catch up with the previous updates? Check [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates|our archive]]! Enjoy the reading! -- [[User:Sannita (WMF)|User:Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 14:36, 15 May 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Sannita (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Wikifunctions_%26_Abstract_Wikipedia&oldid=30536976 --> == Translations == Yes, this question is probably easily answerable through a Web search, but I thought I'd ask here anyways. I am unfortunately not bilingual... I know Toki Pona, but it's a constructed language. I'd love to be a polyglot of some sorts but that is a future thing. I've been trying to translate pages into tok, for funsies mostly. At any rate, I want to convert some of the un-translated pages, namely Feeglgeef's policy drafts, into ones that can be translated (and then translate them into Toki Pona of course). I think I have to be a translation administrator for this? Which is a process that I'd have to ''apply'' for, and I doubt I have the credentials to be accepted for such a role. Regardless, is there a way I can go about this without having to do it through someone else? I can probably easily find documentation on marking pages for translation but I don't know how much I'm actually capable of doing as just a regular user. Should I apply? &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 14:15, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :Most of the process of preparing a page for translation can be done by any editor. See [[:mw:Help:Extension:Translate/Page translation example]]. :The step of marking a page or translation for the first time or after changes must be done by a translation administrator. :I recommend learning the <nowiki><translate> and <tvar></nowiki> syntax and using it on a few pages before applying for this permission. After you do it on a few pages, and you feel confident, and you want to do it more, you can ask for the permission. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 14:28, 20 May 2026 (UTC) ::Just to confirm, did I mark up [[Special:Diff/8138|this page]] for translation properly? I thought to give the hatnote its own <code>&lt;translate&gt;</code> enclosure so as to exclude the indent and italicization from needing to be included in the translatable text. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 15:10, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :::Mostly properly, but don't exclude <code><nowiki>''</nowiki></code> for italics from translation. It's generally a good idea to exclude complex markup from translation because it's hard for many people to type, and it usually stays the same in translation anyway. <code><nowiki>''</nowiki></code> for italics is different, however: it's very simple to type and familiar to most editors; italic letters are used differently in different languages, and in some languages they aren't used at all, so translators need the freedom to use them appropriately; this markup can also appear in the middle of a translation unit and not only in the ends. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 15:35, 20 May 2026 (UTC) ::::Thank you for the guidance. Should the italics be included if they are used over the entire hatnote? I figure that placement of italics should be left up to the discretion of the translators, but the hatnote itself is meant to be entirely italicized, I would think irrespective of the language it's in. Is this the right idea or should they still be kept within the translation unit? &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 15:45, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :::::Yes, italics should be included in the translation unit if they are used over the entire hatnote. Some languages don't use italic writing at all, so it shouldn't be forced. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 18:36, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :I'd support a translation administrator request ;), for reasons below. I'm not sure why we need a seperate translation administrator right, or why we have to call it an "administrator" (deciding that a page could be translated is a much less important role than, say, page deletion, or blocking). We picked three of them (well, one of them went through the WMF, so we picked two), [https://abstract.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Log?type=pagetranslation&user=&page=&excludetempacct=1&wpdate=&tagfilter=&wpfilters%5B%5D=newusers&wpFormIdentifier=logeventslist they don't appear very active, though], only marking 9 times this month, zero (0) of which were for pages marked for the first time. Both community translation admins used their global history and rights to get the role and only stop by occasionally, so having one who ''actually'' edits here would be nice. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 15:06, 20 May 2026 (UTC) ::This reply echos my philosophy of a sort of wiki-[[Q166005|xenophobia]] (the term xenophobia is probably too harsh, and I wouldn't consider myself one in real life, but it's the best word I can think of), I generally distrust users with a lot of global rights (both global sysop etc. and large amounts of local rights) who come make [[m:Metapedianism|metapedian]] contributions, not as people but to their ability to handle Wikifunctions and Abstract Wikipedia as incredibly unique and technically complex projects. I apologize if it my opinions come off as rude or ungrateful, I do appreciate the work of our translation administrators. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 15:26, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :::You don't bother me, it's fine. I think they definitely have a place, they can be useful and they usually are. Obviously local admins and what have you that earned their roles through the trust and reputation of the specific community they are in are going to occupy a more trusting position in my mind than a global sysop or global ''anything''. Specialized role members are good and healthy in the long term; I think we are giving these privileges to global users sparingly as the project is still in its infancy and as core contributors emerge and take up key positions we will have a more well-rounded and self-sustaining community with less global privileges needed to take up certain tasks. Wikifunctions probably needed some Foundation members or other staff to act as functioneers initially while the general community was still orienting themselves with WikiLambda and working on applying for the role, but now we have [[f:Special:ListUsers/functioneer|74(!) of them]] and the number of normal members using their specialized skills outnumbers those who were "grandfathered" in (for lack of a better term) or similar. The wiki is young—it just needs time. I myself have been considering applying for sysop privileges since they are obviously needed (there being exactly Zero of them at the moment); I've been weighing the pros and cons of such a commitment, it's obviously a lot to take up. I wish your sysop request went through, I think you would have made a great admin here. I'm unsure of what others think of my capabilities, I'm rather in-and-out around these social spaces so I don't know if there's much to go off of. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 15:55, 20 May 2026 (UTC) ::::Totally agree, and I'd support a sysopship request as well, though I'm apparently not good at assessing what the community considers supportable in admin candidate ;). ::::Off-topic, but interestingly, the sysop toolset allows you to grant yourself translation adminship. I'm not sure if sysops are expected not to grant themselves the permissions (kind of like how on enwiki 'crats are expected not grant themselves any rights without discussion despite having the technical rights), but I did it to myself on WF because [https://www.wikifunctions.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&logid=84940 another sysop had]. Additionally, the functioneer right [[Special:ListGroupRights#functioneer|exists on this wiki]], with the same rights on WF, despite all of them not doing anything on this wiki. I believe this is because, on the technical side, both AW and WF are powered by the same MediaWiki extension (Wikilambda), with one wiki set to a mode for abstract articles and another set to a mode for ZObjects. [https://dag.wikipedia.org/wiki/Di%C5%8B%27gahim:ListGroupRights#functioneer Checking the Dagbani Wikipedia] supports this theory. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 18:00, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :::::It always depends on the local policy. For Wikifunctions it is: ''Administrators do not need to undergo another discussion to become translation administrators; they can self-grant the rights to their account if necessary. Temporary administrators are not allowed to self-grant permanent translation administrator rights.'' :::::The availability of the functioneer right is a bug, see [[phab:T407066]]. --[[User:Ameisenigel|Ameisenigel]] ([[User talk:Ameisenigel|talk]]) 19:36, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :::If you don't consider yourself a xenophobe in real life, I would recommend not calling yourself that here, or anywhere really. Especially since it was the ideological capture during the 2010s of the Croatian-language Wikipedia [[w:hr:]] by actual xenophobes that was part of the impetus for Abstract Wikipedia according to [https://simia.net/wiki/Draft:_Collaborating_on_the_sum_of_all_knowledge_across_languages#A_look_on_some_south_Slavic_language_Wikipedias Denny's blog]. [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 22:10, 26 May 2026 (UTC) == Policy drafts == Hi all! I've written some draft policies and guidelines over the last few days. We're not a bureaucracy, so the point is not to set some rules but to kick off some discussions as to how our wiki will work. So far, I've created: * [[Abstract Wikipedia:Notability|a notability guideline]] * [[Abstract Wikipedia:Deletion policy|a deletion policy]] I've written them as my opinion on what should happen, but I'm hoping to align them with community consensus as we discuss them more. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 13:44, 21 May 2026 (UTC) == Wikifunctions & Abstract Wikipedia Newsletter #249 is out: Annual plan 2026-2027 == There is [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-05-23|a new update]] for Abstract Wikipedia and Wikifunctions. Please, come and read it! In this issue, we present you the current draft of objectives for Wikifunctions and Abstract Wikipedia in the WMF Annual Plan 2026-2027, and we take a look at the latest software developments. Want to catch up with the previous updates? Check [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates|our archive]]! Enjoy the reading! -- [[User:Sannita (WMF)|User:Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 09:48, 25 May 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Sannita (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Wikifunctions_%26_Abstract_Wikipedia&oldid=30536976 --> == To abstract Wikipedia or be the Abstract Wikipedia == There is a discussion happening about what the [[Abstract Wikipedia:Notability|notability criteria]] for Abstract Wikipedia should be, and in trying to participate I've found my idea of Abstract Wikipedia is awfully abstract. Is Abstract Wikipedia supposed to abstract Wikipedia, as in abstracting information from existing articles on the language Wikipedias (barring new contributions), or is it supposed to become the Abstract Wikipedia, supporting collaboration across all languages like it's the language Wikipedia to end all language Wikipedias (allowing new contributions)? I thought the answer would be obvious, but the name Abstract Wikipedia is a bit ambiguous. Am I missing something? [[User:Some helpful person|Some helpful person]] ([[User talk:Some helpful person|talk]]) 02:16, 27 May 2026 (UTC) :I think ({{ping|DVrandecic (WMF)|p=?}}) the idea is (and I personally prefer) the latter. I believe that, given the fact that it's much easier to write a concrete article than an abstract article, and the fact that the community of potential future contributors on enwiki is skeptical ''at best'', we ultimately will never expand beyond the size of other wikis, but I see no problem with allowing volunteers to add information not on other wikis (it's probably not the most effective, but they're volunteers, beggars can't be choosers), as long as it's not vandalism, useless, or promotional slop. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 02:31, 27 May 2026 (UTC) :@[[User:Some helpful person|Some helpful person]] Abstract Wikipedia is a Wikipedia, where people can collaborate across languages on articles, which can then be used to fill gaps in the existing Wikipedias. Whereas I expect that current Wikipedia articles might be used as a convenient starting point for many of the articles in Abstract Wikipedia, this is more a consequence of Wikipedia being one of the best places to go to to find reliable knowledge, but that is not part of how it is supposed to work. So, this is not to abstract the existing Wikipedias, but to collaborate on an Abstract Wikipedia. At no point is this meant to replace existing Wikipedias. (Thanks to @[[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] for the ping!) --[[User:DVrandecic (WMF)|DVrandecic (WMF)]] ([[User talk:DVrandecic (WMF)|talk]]) 17:01, 27 May 2026 (UTC) ::Thank you, this makes a lot more sense now. [[User:Some helpful person|Some helpful person]] ([[User talk:Some helpful person|talk]]) 21:52, 27 May 2026 (UTC) == template suggestion == Some way to mock abstract syntax on talk and project pages, analogous to those in [[d:category:format Template]]. [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 15:21, 27 May 2026 (UTC) :Hmm. I agree. :Workshopping ideas for how it works: :* Invokation: <nowiki>{{Call|Z26039|{"Z1K1": "Z18", "Z18K1": "Z825K1"}|{"Z1K1": "Z6091", "Z6091K1": "Q634"}|{"Z1K1": "Z18", "Z18K1": "Z825K1"}|lang=en}}</nowiki> :** This could then be suplemented by helper templates: <nowiki>{{Call|Z26039|{{Wikidata item argument reference}}|{{Wikidata item reference|Q634}}|{{Language argument reference}}}}</nowiki> :* This would result in "[[f:Z26039|subject is instance of (string)]] (wikidata item reference, [[d:Q634|planet]], language)" :** Icons are missing in this example, I'm not sure if we can actually add them :Thoughts? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 16:04, 27 May 2026 (UTC) == Marking NLG Default text == Some NLG functions give default texts, like [[f:Z33420|Z33420]] will give text like "Paris ∈ {city}". sometimes in other languages the English text is show. Currently there is no visual clue that these texts are not normal text in the requested language. I propose we mark these text with color <span style="color:magenta;">Paris ∈ {city}</span> with something like <nowiki><span style="color:magenta;">Paris ∈ {city}</span></nowiki>. To have this configurable/maintainable this could be included in a function, called NLG default text or so, with a text as input an a text in color as output. The exact formatting like magenta color or gray background or something else can be discussed/decided later. To have it even more configurable on personal stylesheets it could use a class like <nowiki><span class="NLG Default text">Paris ∈ {city}</span></nowiki>. What do you think? Could somebody make such a function already? [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 12:00, 29 May 2026 (UTC) :The are technically just monolingual texts in a language called "multiple languages". I threw a prototype together really quickly, [[f:Z35839]]. It will accept strings, monolingual texts, and html fragments as input, so you have to select which type you want. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 14:59, 29 May 2026 (UTC) ::OK, thanks, I added it to [[f:Z26039]] and works as expected, see [https://www.wikifunctions.org/wiki/Z26039?call=%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z7%22%2C%22Z7K1%22%3A%22Z26039%22%2C%22Z26039K1%22%3A%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z6091%22%2C%22Z6091K1%22%3A%22Q64%22%7D%2C%22Z26039K2%22%3A%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z6091%22%2C%22Z6091K1%22%3A%22Q515%22%7D%2C%22Z26039K3%22%3A%22Z1555%22%7D here]. The test for the function with default text now fails because it now is in magenta color. That was to be expected. I will leave the tests unchanged if that is OK with you, as we might need to change the exact formatting. ::Is it OK to add this to other NLG functions that produce default output? [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 15:59, 29 May 2026 (UTC) :::Sure, [[w:en:WP:Be bold|be bold]]! [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 20:50, 29 May 2026 (UTC) ::::Feeglgeef, I am struggling with the output. Can you have a look? [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 17:02, 30 May 2026 (UTC) :::::Can you link me to where? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 17:08, 30 May 2026 (UTC) ::::::{{Q|90}} in a language vls should give a magenta text. Instead it gives "Wikifunctions returned a failed response: Unspecified error". [[f:Z33422]] results "<span style="color: magenta;">Parys ∈ {stad}</span>" (as a string). [[f:Z26039]] also gives "<span style="color: magenta;">Parys ∈ {stad}</span>", but it's test [[f:Z33726]] gives an HTML equivalent, not a string. [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 17:59, 30 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::You shouldn't be returning HTML in string-typed functions. I'm not sure, then, how we implement your proposal, actually. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 18:54, 30 May 2026 (UTC) ::::::::I tried with [[f:Z35921]] but now the output is the literal text, and not HTML. Does anybody have an idea how to implement the text in a color? ::::::::Alternatively we could use texts like // Parys ∈ {stad} //. [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 16:51, 31 May 2026 (UTC) ::::::::: You need to output [[f:Z89|HTML fragment]], not String. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 17:16, 31 May 2026 (UTC) :I agree with the above that this should not be applied to functions which return strings or monolingual text. If anything, it might work to insert it into functions returning HTML. The most egregious problems I've seen are when I tried to render into an RTL language (e.g. Hebrew 0 try on [[Q408]]), and it spilled all the formatting all over the article. I will revert the change to the string default at [[:f:Z33421]], but suggest it is tested carefully if implemented elsewhere. In general I prefer just marking with spans rather than colours at this stage. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 04:49, 3 June 2026 (UTC) :: Perhaps mark with spans given a specific ID and then allow users to use a userscript/gadget to paint them magenta? That seems like the most considerate approach. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 05:12, 3 June 2026 (UTC) :::[[:f:Z32234]] suggests something like <code>span lang="mul"</code> or similar. [[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 05:20, 3 June 2026 (UTC) ::::I will (carefully) try some other alternatives, and use a personal class in my userscript for <nowiki><span class="NLG Default text"></nowiki>. [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 14:05, 4 June 2026 (UTC) ::::: If possible, can you use <nowiki><span lang="mul"></nowiki>? This would allow it to also catch some instances automatically. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 16:14, 4 June 2026 (UTC) ::::::I have done so, but how can I set my personal stylesheet to show color magenta with <nowiki><span lang="mul"></nowiki>? [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 22:20, 4 June 2026 (UTC) ::::::: try adding this to [[Special:MyPage/common.css]]: ::::::: [lang="mul"] {<br> color: magenta;<br> } [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 23:48, 4 June 2026 (UTC) : I created a new implementation for [[f:Z35921]] using emoji text, resulting in texts like "❌≪Paris ∈ {city}≫❌". It works on [[Q90]] for not yet specified languages like Zeelandic. I will be bold in adding this other functions that use default texts. [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) == Ratification of the deletion policy proposal? == I haven't seen any unresolved objections to my proposal for a [[Abstract Wikipedia:Deletion policy|policy for deletion]]. Does anybody have any issues, and, if not, is it ok to ratify as an actual policy? I intend to remove the draft template and replace it with a policy template unless anyone voices any objection within a week. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 20:55, 29 May 2026 (UTC) :Is it just me or does [[Abstract Wikipedia:Deletion policy#Reasons for deletion]] render blank with only number bullets without the actual text after ''1.'' or ''2.''? [[User:Bunnypranav|Bunnypranav]] ([[User talk:Bunnypranav|talk]]) 07:13, 30 May 2026 (UTC) ::I see text. ―[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''<span style="color:black">v</span>f</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 07:49, 30 May 2026 (UTC) :::I can see on my phone, but it goes blank on my laptop. What is the role of ''<nowiki><span class="anchor" id="1"></nowiki>''? [[User:Bunnypranav|Bunnypranav]] ([[User talk:Bunnypranav|talk]]) 12:15, 30 May 2026 (UTC) ::::{{ping|Bunnypranav}} I can see the text everywhere (I tested connected and not connected, on my phone, laptop, with Chrome or Firefox ; what system do you use?). As the name suggest, the span anchor is here to create an HTML anchor, so you can do link like [[Abstract_Wikipedia:Deletion_policy#7]]. Cheers, [[User:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[User talk:VIGNERON|talk]]) 13:49, 30 May 2026 (UTC) :::::I'm on Brave browser. Nevertheless, forget it. The culprit might be some random customization I did to my system which I cannot recollect. The reason is the span tag only though, tried a preview kicking out a text to just outside the tag and it worked. [[User:Bunnypranav|Bunnypranav]] ([[User talk:Bunnypranav|talk]]) 14:23, 30 May 2026 (UTC) :Globally, it looks fine. I think that reasons 7 and 8 may need some examples/clarifications. There is no global consensus when it comes to creating categories. For example, categories for building interiors and exteriors. Personally, I feel that they are useful for easier discoverability. [[User:Jsamwrites|John Samuel]] ([[User:Jsamwrites|talk]]) 15:39, 30 May 2026 (UTC) ::I've copied them over from enwiki. They're probably included in "content otherwise not suited for an encyclopedia." Since sysops can't speedy them, it'd be up to commenters on [[Abstract:RFD]] to determine. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 16:48, 30 May 2026 (UTC) == Wikifunctions & Abstract Wikipedia Newsletter #250 is out: Looking back and forward == There is [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-05-30|a new update]] for Abstract Wikipedia and Wikifunctions. Please, come and read it! In this issue, we present you a recollection of our work so far, now that we celebrate our 250th newsletter, we share with you a summary of our latest outreach activities, and we take a look at the latest software developments. Want to catch up with the previous updates? Check [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates|our archive]]! Enjoy the reading! -- [[User:Sannita (WMF)|User:Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 10:04, 1 June 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Sannita (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Wikifunctions_%26_Abstract_Wikipedia&oldid=30606821 --> == Yet another suggested function proposal == Perhaps it's a bit early, but can [[f:Z36049]] be added to [[MediaWiki:AbstractWikiSuggestedWikifunctions.json]]? See [[Q38726]] for an example use. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 23:54, 4 June 2026 (UTC) : Meh. Consider this withdrawn until we know more about what we want image creation to look like. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 05:06, 5 June 2026 (UTC) bd4ecibub4mouay8j2ipmnpsbv3p8zy 9644 9643 2026-06-05T11:26:48Z HenkvD 1447 /* Marking NLG Default text */ 9644 wikitext text/x-wiki {{#ifexist:Abstract Wikipedia:Project chat/Header/{{USERLANGUAGE}}|{{/Header/{{USERLANGUAGE}}}}|{{/Header}}}} {{/Archives}} <!-- Add your discussion below this line --> == Why don't we just structure this with wikitemplates? == I feel like the project could be done a lot better by using templates kind of like how wikipedia does them. Just the entire thing is templates that can be rendered in many languages. So like [[Q106289265]] would have the content <nowiki>{{Z26039|Q7257}}</nowiki> and could even have some aliasing done across languages so it could be <nowiki>{{subject is|Q7257}}</nowiki>. Code would be editable with a regular visual editor or code editor. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 04:34, 29 March 2026 (UTC) :This is available in pages when Parsoid rendering is enabled. We don't use this becuase it doesn't make sense for constructing and editing massive articles. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 21:37, 29 March 2026 (UTC) ::How do you do parsoid rendering? And why wouldn't it make sense? With aliases and everything could work great. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 23:12, 29 March 2026 (UTC) :::I believe it is enabled by default. If you do have it on: {{#function:Z10000|you'll s|ee this}} [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 14:54, 30 March 2026 (UTC) :you may be interested in reading this old [[m:Abstract_Wikipedia/Google.org_Fellows_evaluation|Google report]]. [[User:BrokenSegue|BrokenSegue]] ([[User talk:BrokenSegue|talk]]) 14:32, 9 May 2026 (UTC) == Why the editing API doesn't work == {{tracked|T423542}} Immanuelle wrongly stated that there is no REST API for editing. [[#REST API for editing?|There is]]. However, it does not work when called from software outside Abstract Wikipedia. That is because there is no way to grant a bot password or OAuth customer the permission to edit abstract articles (<code>wikilambda-abstract-edit</code>) and create them (<code>wikilambda-abstract-create</code>), since no grant on [[Special:ListGrants]] includes either. Should this be fixed? [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 01:57, 26 April 2026 (UTC) :Yes I think the rights should be added. I think the number of automated edits should be low at the moment as Abstract Wikipedia is still in an early phase and so far there is not much support for small languages and so many functions will maybe change to cover more languages. As automatic editing using a Bot Account requires an formal request it is no problem if the option exists. [[User:Hogü-456|Hogü-456]] ([[User talk:Hogü-456|talk]]) 18:17, 26 April 2026 (UTC) :Sounds good to me. Could we add a bot section to [[Abstract Wikipedia:Requests for permissions]]? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 23:35, 5 May 2026 (UTC) ::[[Abstract_Wikipedia:Requests_for_permissions#Bot]] ―[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''<span style="color:black">v</span>f</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 23:56, 5 May 2026 (UTC) :not currently possible :((((( [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 14:46, 30 April 2026 (UTC) :Feeglgeef is correct, past tense sentence generation is something we are sorely lacking at the moment. If you look at [[f:WF:Type proposals#Representing abstract content|Wikifunctions' type proposals]] you can see some initiatives that could hopefully mitigate this. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 13:49, 1 May 2026 (UTC) == Spaces between sentences, another attempt == [[Abstract Wikipedia:Project chat#Extra spaces between sentences|A month ago]], @[[User:内存溢出的猫|内存溢出的猫]]<ref group="spaces3>According to Google Translate, it's pronounced "Nèicún yìchū de māo". Please correct me if it's wrong. When I write, I want to know how are things that I write pronounced aloud, and very unfortunately, I never learned to read Chinese characters, and even if I did, most English speakers probably didn't. Come to think of it, is there a function that ''reliably'' transliterates Chinese characters?</ref> That discussion doesn't seem to have yielded any fixes or meaningful discussions, at least not that I can see. [[Abstract Wikipedia:Project chat#Spaces between sentences|Two weeks ago]], I tried to bring up a similar topic, but that discussion somehow got derailed and also didn't yield anything useful. Now, the problem looks differently, but it's still a problem. When I look at [[Q10251]], for example, what I see is four sentences that ''appear'' with ''no'' spaces between them. Not one, not two—none at all. It looks like this: :Plasma is a fundamental state of matter.Plasma is a classical state of matter.A plasma is a gas.A plasma is a matter. Note that I emphasized ''appear'': When I see them rendered on the screen, they have no spaces between them. In the HTML, however, they are represented as four <code><nowiki><div></nowiki></code>s, and their inline positioning is handled by CSS. This means, for example, that if I copy and paste them, I don't get a long string with no spaces after full stops, but four sentences with a single line break after each full stop: <poem> Plasma is a fundamental state of matter. Plasma is a classical state of matter. A plasma is a gas. A plasma is a matter. </poem> This is not how it is supposed to be done. <code><nowiki><div></nowiki></code>s are supposed to be used for block elements and not hacked into appearing as if they are inline (also known as phrasing). Spaces between sentences are supposed to be real characters rather than HTML and CSS tricks, they may be different in different languages, and in some languages they may be nothing at all. I hope that the definition of the problem is clear. <references group="spaces3"></references> [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 12:49, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :Hi, have a look at it [[Special:PermanentLink/7132|now]]. Does this match your expectations? I think it's not rendering right now for whatever reason, but there are other examples of it being done this way that you can see: [[Q241691]]. The article renders properly in both English (spaces between sentences) and Japanese (no spaces at all). : :'''English:''' :<blockquote>Programmed Data Processor is a computer model series by Digital Equipment Corporation. PDP-8 is a Programmed Data Processor.</blockquote> :'''Japanese:''' :<blockquote>PDPシリーズはディジタル・イクイップメント・コーポレーションによるコンピュータ・モデル・シリーズである。PDP-8はPDPシリーズである。</blockquote> : :I have some, err, strong opinions about [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]]'s 「Abstract Wikipedia Editor」 tool, which is the predominant cause for all of these very janky and poorly-laid-out articles that you see. This is not how an article ought to be written on Abstract Wikipedia, and I and other editors are aware of this. If you see these problems, please do fix them! The wiki will be all the better for it. : :In the absence of consensus on such things as these (and awaiting any official policy pages) I have written [[f:User:Theki/best practices]] on my Wikifunctions userpage. You are welcome to read it if you wish. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 17:20, 2 May 2026 (UTC) ::The output of [[Q241691]] looks OK to me in this regard. How was it done? ::[[Q10251]] gives me an error. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 18:10, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :::WikiLambda is doing WikiLambda things. This WASI time limit error happens intermittently on Abstract Wikipedia articles and it usually goes away after a short while. The only thing is that it doesn't really seem like purging these articles does anything to force the orchestrator to retry its evaluation so the article might not render that paragraph until someone comes in and pokes at it by editing it somehow. ::: :::The working article uses the [[f:Z33068|''paragraph from sentences'']] function to lay out its individual sentence content. This function automatically handles converting any and all text-like objects (strings, HTML fragments, and monolingual text) to a consistent form, so sentence fragments can all be supplied verbatim to its list input. When the function is putting the sentences together it defaults to using a single space to separate them, but first checks if the requested language is in the [[f:Z33984|''languages without spaces between sentences'']] list. If it is, it doesn't add spaces at all, and just concatenates the sentences normally. I hope this explanation makes sense. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 18:19, 2 May 2026 (UTC) ::::It makes some sense, but earlier, you suggested: "If you see these problems, please do fix them", and I'm not entirely sure how to do it. How would I fix it in [[Q100]], for example? [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 19:41, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :::::In this case you would do the following: :::::# At the bottom, click the plus and then 「Add empty fragment」. :::::# Set the function to [[f:Z33068]], as mentioned earlier. :::::# Now go through each sentence fragment, find the innermost sentence-generation function, click on the three dots, and copy it. Do not copy the calls to [[f:Z29749]] or similar, these are not necessary. :::::# Go to the ''paragraph with sentences'' function call and add an element to the list. :::::# Click on the three dots next to the new element, and paste in the earlier sentence fragment. :::::# You can now delete the original fragment and repeat the process in the same list for the one after it. :::::&mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 19:46, 2 May 2026 (UTC) ::@[[User:Theki|Theki]] I intend on fixing it, I recently made an attempt but the suggested fixes made problems worse. Do you have any practical suggestions of how to structure the templates? I will try to implement them when I have more time. ::Also your name is very confusing, are you in the process of getting it changed wiki-wide? [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 22:36, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :::Um, are you referring to my signature not matching my wiki username? I have considered for a long time changing it from ''theki'', but I don't feel like putting in the effort when it seems to be perfectly ignorable for most people. The user 「''Rae''」 can't be usurped because they made, like, two or three articles on the Persian Wikipedia two decades ago or something, I don't know. If that weren't the case I would be User:Rae right now but after that failed to go through I just decided to stop bothering. Maybe at some point I'll come up with a username I'm happy with keeping for the foreseeable future but I have other concerns at the moment. :::Could you explain how your attempted fixes 「made problems worse」? Presently I side with Feeglgeef's sentiments and prefer to wait for abstract content to actually be feasible to make on a reasonably descriptive scale (see: the type proposals) before I go around making articles willy-nilly, which is what AWE has been doing—making a bunch of pretty low-quality articles on a massive scale when it probably ''really'' would have been better to, err, hold off on that. :::And I honestly know very little about the actual workings of your editor, I don't really use it nor am I familiar with its template syntax or whatever it may use, so I'm going to look over how it actually works and then get back to you on that. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 23:28, 2 May 2026 (UTC) ::::Using this [[f:Z33068]] made things worse [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 00:44, 3 May 2026 (UTC) :::::That did not go through correctly but I do not think we have a proper thing for it. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 00:45, 3 May 2026 (UTC) ::::::What? Could you elaborate? &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 01:00, 3 May 2026 (UTC) ::::::{{ping|Immanuelle}} I checked. Your issue is that your editor is not providing the article language to Z33068K2; that is, the ''paragraph from sentences'' function has a second argument, and your editor was omitting it. If you properly specify it, it will work. Please, next time, actually tell me what went wrong instead of going quiet and forcing me to look after it myself. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 17:06, 4 May 2026 (UTC) :I avoid [[f:Z33068]] for now, because executing a whole paragraph in a single call would often time out. So my current alternative is inserting [[f:Z35672]] between sentences. Fairly clunky, but it works... --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 06:08, 28 May 2026 (UTC) ::Can you categorize the talk pages of articles you're doing that with? It has major accessibility concerns for our friends using screen readers, so it'd be nice to be able to find those with issues when were able to fix the calls [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 21:50, 28 May 2026 (UTC) :::I think the new tool can show us this (via dumps). For example, here are the uses of 'paragraph': https://abstract-data.toolforge.org/zid/Z32123 --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 23:07, 28 May 2026 (UTC) ::::There's more than one way to not use spaces correctly and more than one way to use spaces correctly, this wouldn't catch all of them. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 23:13, 28 May 2026 (UTC) :::::I'm not totally sure what you want to track, but I'm confident that this will find all my uses. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 02:10, 29 May 2026 (UTC) ::::I think it slipped past everyone's notice, but I made a template for linking to that sort of information @ [[Template:Zd|<nowiki>{{</nowiki>zd<nowiki>}}</nowiki>]]. {{zd|Z35672|sentence separator}} <span style="font-size:smaller;opacity:0.8">(I don't think the database dumps have noticed the function you're using yet, so it's a 404 at the moment.)</span> &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 01:09, 29 May 2026 (UTC) ===Easier solution?=== Maybe a much easier solution would be to replace the "." after each sentence with ". " (a full stop and a space). The paragraghs might add an extra space, but that is displayed as one by the browser. [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) ==Wiktionary integration== I was trying out a few functions recently, such as [https://www.wikifunctions.org/view/en/Z27243 the new superlative function], and I noticed that ''every adjective'' has to be a Wikidata item. For example, I couldn't type in the inputs "Bugatti Veyron", "fast", "Earth" because "fast" as an adjective is not a Wikidata item. This doesn't really make sense, given that Wiktionary already has the word for "fast" and its superlative form in many different languages. Would it be possible to integrate Wiktionary into the function, so the user can type an adjective or verb from Wiktionary instead of having to deal with Wikidata (which consists almost entirely of nouns)? [[User:Somepinkdude|Somepinkdude]] ([[User talk:Somepinkdude|talk]]) 16:49, 6 May 2026 (UTC) :No, sadly. I would try "speed" as the adjective, though, you have to use abstract qualities instead of concrete English terms. [[File:Wikifunctions Superlative speed example.png|thumb|Here's an example of the word being used.]] [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 18:02, 6 May 2026 (UTC) :Wikidata has standard items as well as lexeme data, so if anything, we should try to integrate those. E.g. [[:d:Lexeme:L1029]]. ―[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''<span style="color:black">v</span>f</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 19:48, 6 May 2026 (UTC) ::I tried this, and it gave "Bugatti Veyron is the speedest car on Earth", which is laughably bad. The problem is that Wikidata does not "know" what the superlative form is, while Wiktionary does. Speed is a fairly common descriptor, but what about less common adjectives which aren't on Wikidata? Will there need to be a bot to copy all of this information from Wiktionary? [[User:Somepinkdude|Somepinkdude]] ([[User talk:Somepinkdude|talk]]) 22:14, 6 May 2026 (UTC) :::I'm not suggesting that the functionality works <em>now</em>, but that we need to integrate the funcationality. ―[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''<span style="color:black">v</span>f</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 22:17, 6 May 2026 (UTC) :::Well, no, the superlative form is chosen by [[f:Z12203]]. I think there's a bug with the English implementation that calls that function wrong. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 22:19, 6 May 2026 (UTC) :@[[User:Somepinkdude|Somepinkdude]] I did find the item {{Q|Q19807466}} which was linked to a concept database's entry for "fast"; I have at least linked it to the English lexeme "fast" and will try to add more links at a better hour. [[User:Mahir256|Mahir256]] ([[User talk:Mahir256|talk]]) 04:18, 7 May 2026 (UTC) == Showcase == I was wondering if there's a curated list of decent articles to learn by example here on Abstract Wikipedia? [[User:Fgnievinski|Fgnievinski]] ([[User talk:Fgnievinski|talk]]) 02:02, 8 May 2026 (UTC) :Unfortunately not, and, honestly, I wouldn't recommend article creation at the moment, it's likely to need significant refactoring as the way we represent abstract content changes, but, I can point you to [[Q668]] as a reasonably good example at the moment. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 02:39, 8 May 2026 (UTC) ::Thank you. "308 languages" blew my mind – well done! [[User:Fgnievinski|Fgnievinski]] ([[User talk:Fgnievinski|talk]]) 02:54, 8 May 2026 (UTC) :::308 is the number of ''concrete'' Wikipedias in which a manually-written article about India is available. :::The abstract article renders for me in English as "India is a country in Asia. India is a republic. New Delhi is the capital of India. India is the most populous country in world." Switching to another language to get rendered as an abstract article is done by typing the language's name in the box above the rendered text. I tried French, German, and Dutch, and got errors in all of them. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 03:12, 8 May 2026 (UTC) ::::So it goes. The paragraph has quite a lot of distinct sentence generation functions, all of which of course have to be implemented in the target language. This will be rounded out once we're able to more effectively generalize linguistic content. I view these functions as sort of patchy temporary solutions to the sentence generation problem while we figure out something more robust, which I hope is soon to come. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 04:15, 8 May 2026 (UTC) == Wikifunctions & Abstract Wikipedia Newsletter #247 is out: References from Wikidata now available == There is [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-05-08|a new update]] for Abstract Wikipedia and Wikifunctions. Please, come and read it! In this issue, we announce that is now possible to pass references in Wikidata statements, we introduce the [https://abstract-data.toolforge.org/ Abstract Data dashboard], we report you on the presentation about Abstract Wikipedia at WikiCon Australia, and we take a look at the latest software developments. Want to catch up with the previous updates? Check [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates|our archive]]! Also, we remind you that if you have questions or ideas to discuss, the next '''Volunteers' Corner''' will be held on '''[https://zonestamp.toolforge.org/1778520600 May 11, at 17:30 UTC]''' ([https://meet.google.com/xuy-njxh-rkw link to the meeting]). Enjoy the reading! -- [[User:Sannita (WMF)|User:Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 11:16, 8 May 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Sannita (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Wikifunctions_%26_Abstract_Wikipedia&oldid=30325620 --> == about the usage of Z33068 == The use of [[f:Z33068]] (en: paragraph from sentences) <s>always</s> most of the time results in the error "Reached time limit in orchestrator." So should it be used at all for now, temporarily? Or maybe there are already some tickets about this that I am not aware of? -- [[User:Asked42|Asked42]] ([[User talk:Asked42|talk]]) 18:23, 10 May 2026 (UTC) :It previously worked, so I'm hoping whatever the issue is will be fixed soon. The current state of the wiki makes [[m:Immediatism|immediatism]] an illogical philosophy to have at the moment, in my opinion. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 20:16, 10 May 2026 (UTC) ::This issue seems to no longer exist, you might need to clear the cache by making a dummy edit on affected articles. I implemented the function in Python (instead of composition), which has increased the speed by about 2000 ms. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 04:31, 11 May 2026 (UTC) :::Seems like working. Thank you. -- [[User:Asked42|Asked42]] ([[User talk:Asked42|talk]]) 19:06, 11 May 2026 (UTC) == Manual of Style == I've created a [[Abstract Wikipedia:Manual of Style|draft for a Manual of Style]]. Please feel free to comment on or make bold edits to the page. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 03:29, 11 May 2026 (UTC) :Thank you! That’s great and I’ll look at it more soon. I’m still taking a bit of a wikibreak. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 22:32, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :Is there anything I've written [[f:User:Theki/best_practices#Abstract_Wikipedia|here]] that you think would make for a good technical section of the page? &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 00:04, 15 May 2026 (UTC) ::I've added some of them. Thank you for your list of best practices by the way, I generally agree with them (I can't endorse connecting WD items currently in hope of a better technical solution, but otherwise I do). [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 00:58, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Proposals on the architecture of Abstract Content rendering == Starting from a discussion born on the Wikifunctions Telegram chat, I've explained two different proposals on how the NLG on Abstract Wikipedia should be organized in the page [[User:Dv103/Abstract articles architectures]]. Please come to contribute to the discussion, or to propose alternatives. [[User:Dv103|Dv103]] ([[User talk:Dv103|talk]]) 14:32, 11 May 2026 (UTC) == [[MediaWiki:Wikimedia-copyright-footer]] == The copyright message has a few issues, mainly that it does not address abstract content (which is not "text"), nor object labels (which are under CC0). Proposed text: "<nowiki> Text and abstract content are available under the [https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/ Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License]; the labels of objects from [[f:|Wikifunctions]] are available under the [https://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/ Creative Commons CC0 License]; additional terms may apply. See [https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Policy:Terms_of_Use Terms of Use] for details. </nowiki>" Which, when rendered, looks like: Text and abstract content are available under the [https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/ Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License]; the labels of objects from [[f:|Wikifunctions]] are available under the [https://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/ Creative Commons CC0 License]; additional terms may apply. See [https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Policy:Terms_of_Use Terms of Use] for details. The message is somewhat inspired by the current one and WF's. Thoughts? Thank you! [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 13:30, 12 May 2026 (UTC) :@[[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]]: As you probably imagine, this text is very tightly controlled by the Wikimedia Foundation's Legal department. I think the first port of call should be a discussion about why you might want to change things, rather than a rush to specific re-wordings, before approaching them for sign-off. [[User:Jdforrester (WMF)|Jdforrester (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Jdforrester (WMF)|talk]]) 14:28, 12 May 2026 (UTC) ::Well I briefly summarized my justification, my proposed text was just an idea for a starting point. Basically, the abstract content is not really "text", so the footer doesn't actually tell the reader what they're allowed to do with it, and I argue that the current wording implies that the labels are licensed under CC-BY-SA 4, when they aren't. I think a change is critical as otherwise we're not showing the reader a license, or, arguably, in the case of labels, showing users a license that ''does not apply'', which is a pretty bad thing. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 14:51, 12 May 2026 (UTC) == [[MediaWiki:AbstractWikiSuggestedWikifunctions.json]] == I'd think we should add [[f:Z33068]] here. The function allows you to form a paragraph out of sentences and handles languages having different standards of whether to add a space between them, and adding it here would make finding it easier. I'm not sure what policy we want to have for the suggested functions, this idea might help formulate it. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 16:06, 12 May 2026 (UTC) :[[User:Jdforrester (WMF)]] tells me the page has been changed to [[Special:CommunityConfiguration/AbstractWikiSuggestedWikifunctions]] on the telegram. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 16:25, 12 May 2026 (UTC) ::@[[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]]: Yup, see the weekly update on [[f:Wikifunctions:Status_updates/2026-05-02|2026-05-02]]. [[User:Jdforrester (WMF)|Jdforrester (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Jdforrester (WMF)|talk]]) 16:35, 12 May 2026 (UTC) :I also believe Z33068 should be added to the list. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 17:25, 12 May 2026 (UTC) {{done}} see [[Special:Diff/7692]]. Cheers, [[User:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[User talk:VIGNERON|talk]]) 09:08, 20 May 2026 (UTC) == Abstract Wikipedia statistics site source code == https://abstract-data.toolforge.org/ is a very useful tool, but it doesn't seem to have anything pointing to the location of its source code. Is it closed-source or unfree? While I'm at it I feel I should suggest having language pages' paths formatted differently from how they are currently—at the moment it's <code>/languages/Toki%20Pona</code> when something like <code>/languages/tok</code> would be more suitable. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; : See [[:gitlab:toolforge-repos/abstract-data]]. Also pinging {{ping|DSantamaria-WMF|p=}} (thanks for the tool, by the way). [[User:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|<span class="skin-invert" style="color:black;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:110%;font-weight:normal;line-height:normal">NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh</span>]] 00:25, 13 May 2026 (UTC) ::Thank you. I think a link to that repository should be put in a footer somewhere on the website as I wouldn't have found that if not for you. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 02:30, 13 May 2026 (UTC) :::{{ping|Theki}} For the record, I found that repo by searching for "abstract-data" on [[:toolhub:|Toolhub]]. [[User:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|<span class="skin-invert" style="color:black;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:110%;font-weight:normal;line-height:normal">NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh</span>]] 03:34, 13 May 2026 (UTC) :::Thanks for the feedback and the report, fixed both things, we have now the link to the repo in the side bar footer, and also the language codes are used in the URLs. Thanks! [[User:DSantamaria-WMF|DSantamaria-WMF]] ([[User talk:DSantamaria-WMF|talk]]) 11:46, 13 May 2026 (UTC) ::::Are you particularly attached to keeping country flag emojis next to the language names? Some consider it an [https://flagsarenotlanguages.com/blog anti-pattern]. [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 16:17, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::I think the use of flags is not really harmful since this is not a ''language selector'', it is just a list of languages. Of course not every language has an associated flag, for example Latin, which does look a bit awkward, but it can't be helped. Maybe give languages without a flag a unique icon from Wikimedia Commons? e.g. <div style="display:inline-flex;align-items:center;border:1px solid #0002;border-radius:4px;gap:4px;padding:4px;">[[File:Toki pona.svg|16px]] Toki Pona</div> instead of <div style="display:inline-flex;align-items:center;border:1px solid #0002;border-radius:4px;gap:4px;padding:4px;"><span>🌐</span>Toki Pona</div>. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 16:37, 14 May 2026 (UTC) ::::::I thought I saw 🏛️ being used for Latin earlier. But of course, as far as the Unicode Consortium is concerned, [[Q65300415|🇬🇧]] doesn't mean '[[Q1680|English]]', no more than [[Q100587670|🏳️‍🌈]] means '[[Q1359130|Polari]]'; technically, it doesn't even mean '[[Q145|United Kingdom]]', just the letters 🇺 and 🇰 next to each other (which linguistically would indicate [[Q8798|Ukrainian]] in ISO 639, but these are 'regional indicator symbols'). [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 17:21, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::As seems (from this comment and also [[f:User_talk:DSantamaria-WMF#c-%E9%AD%94%E7%90%B4-20260513063700-Country_flags_in_abstract-data|others' comments]]) that flags are a little bit controversial, I just removed them, IMHO it was just an aesthetic concept, I like the look and feel that flags bring to the language labels, but happy to remove them if make some people feel uncomfortable with the concept. [[User:DSantamaria-WMF|DSantamaria-WMF]] ([[User talk:DSantamaria-WMF|talk]]) 05:54, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Make it more user Friendly == Make it more user-friendly by adding drag-and-drop compenots and one click additions, and make it similar to a visual macro buidler. [[User:ChippyTechGH|ChippyTechGH]] ([[User talk:ChippyTechGH|talk]]) 01:00, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :Could you file something like this on [[phab:|phabricator]]? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 01:01, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Person infoboxes == Hi all, I've just created [[f:Z35167|infobox for person (Z35167)]]. All it can really do presently is display the name of the person in the chosen language and in the person's native language, but it's a good start. I started writing it as a composition but chose to switch to writing it in JavaScript instead, which ended up being less headache-inducing (managing a large list of strings to concatenate together is not fun, plus compositions bring lots of additional overhead). Unfortunately, this means that the actual ''useful'' parts of the infobox—the information about the person themself—is not really doable. I'd need to dereference the Wikidata property references to get their label in the requested language, but since they're references and I'm working with code, not compositions, I can't just call [[f:Z6822|fetch Wikidata property (Z6822)]] and be done with it. If there's a WikiLambda API to do this inside of the JS itself that would be great and would solve everything, but at the moment that alone is what's holding it back, or so it seems. I can get the actual ''values'' of statements just fine, though. If I am missing some amazing WikiLambda API function that will solve this problem for me by letting me dereference the PID, then please let me know because that would be great. If you want to look at an example of the infobox right meow, you can view [https://abstract.wikipedia.org/view/tok/Q317521 Q317521 in Toki Pona] and see how it states Musk's name in both Toki Pona ''and'' his native English name. COOL! My hope is that this can be made less barebones in the near future. Infoboxes are a great way to get quick information on a subject and can fill in the informational gaps in the presently sparse articles we have at the moment, all while staying in the user's requested language. Feedback is appreciated! &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 02:58, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :Thank you for this! I wonder if perhaps it would be better to create one "infobox" function and then have compositions call that, making wd retrival possible? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 03:38, 15 May 2026 (UTC) ::Working on that at the moment, I think I've got it working but I'm hitting a ratelimit in the orchestrator so I don't know for sure. The main issue with it now is that the actual [[f:Z35175|infobox template (Z35175)]] wrapper was programmed in JS so as to not be a pain in the ass, so this means that it can only take in strings, HTML fragments, etc. so the retrieval of Wikidata stuff still needs to be done by the caller and is rather verbose (see [[f:Z35168|the main implementation]]). The niceties will come soon later once I know that it all works at a lower level, though. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 05:04, 15 May 2026 (UTC) ::So the problem now seems to be that when [[f:Z29825|label of Wikidata property in language (Z29825)]] isn't being faulty, it's being incredibly slow. Considering retrieving Wikidata items from their references seems to take, like, four to five seconds, and we'll have tens of statements in these infoboxes, I don't see how the property names could be retrieved in a way that doesn't cause the orchestrator to time out or hit a ratelimit. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 06:01, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :::I think I figured something out? I'm just going to try calling [[f:Z35036|fetch Wikidata property or parts (Z35036)]], it seems to be much faster for whatever reason. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 06:05, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :::It works now, a little rough around the edges, also very slow, but I think I'm mostly happy with it. Of course it would be great if all you needed to provide to the template function to get a label-statement row was the property reference itself, but I'm too sleep-deprived to figure that out at the moment. I made five bespoke functions specifically for this infobox, more than I would like, but it's probably not ''that'' bad. I'm just hoping I didn't duplicate any functionality in trying to make the composition less verbose and repetitive. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 07:15, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Wikifunctions & Abstract Wikipedia Newsletter #248 is out: A higher meaning == There is [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-05-15|a new update]] for Abstract Wikipedia and Wikifunctions. Please, come and read it! In this issue, we discuss functions creating language fragments, we present our latest news in Types, and we take a look at the latest software developments. Want to catch up with the previous updates? Check [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates|our archive]]! Enjoy the reading! -- [[User:Sannita (WMF)|User:Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 14:36, 15 May 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Sannita (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Wikifunctions_%26_Abstract_Wikipedia&oldid=30536976 --> == Translations == Yes, this question is probably easily answerable through a Web search, but I thought I'd ask here anyways. I am unfortunately not bilingual... I know Toki Pona, but it's a constructed language. I'd love to be a polyglot of some sorts but that is a future thing. I've been trying to translate pages into tok, for funsies mostly. At any rate, I want to convert some of the un-translated pages, namely Feeglgeef's policy drafts, into ones that can be translated (and then translate them into Toki Pona of course). I think I have to be a translation administrator for this? Which is a process that I'd have to ''apply'' for, and I doubt I have the credentials to be accepted for such a role. Regardless, is there a way I can go about this without having to do it through someone else? I can probably easily find documentation on marking pages for translation but I don't know how much I'm actually capable of doing as just a regular user. Should I apply? &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 14:15, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :Most of the process of preparing a page for translation can be done by any editor. See [[:mw:Help:Extension:Translate/Page translation example]]. :The step of marking a page or translation for the first time or after changes must be done by a translation administrator. :I recommend learning the <nowiki><translate> and <tvar></nowiki> syntax and using it on a few pages before applying for this permission. After you do it on a few pages, and you feel confident, and you want to do it more, you can ask for the permission. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 14:28, 20 May 2026 (UTC) ::Just to confirm, did I mark up [[Special:Diff/8138|this page]] for translation properly? I thought to give the hatnote its own <code>&lt;translate&gt;</code> enclosure so as to exclude the indent and italicization from needing to be included in the translatable text. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 15:10, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :::Mostly properly, but don't exclude <code><nowiki>''</nowiki></code> for italics from translation. It's generally a good idea to exclude complex markup from translation because it's hard for many people to type, and it usually stays the same in translation anyway. <code><nowiki>''</nowiki></code> for italics is different, however: it's very simple to type and familiar to most editors; italic letters are used differently in different languages, and in some languages they aren't used at all, so translators need the freedom to use them appropriately; this markup can also appear in the middle of a translation unit and not only in the ends. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 15:35, 20 May 2026 (UTC) ::::Thank you for the guidance. Should the italics be included if they are used over the entire hatnote? I figure that placement of italics should be left up to the discretion of the translators, but the hatnote itself is meant to be entirely italicized, I would think irrespective of the language it's in. Is this the right idea or should they still be kept within the translation unit? &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 15:45, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :::::Yes, italics should be included in the translation unit if they are used over the entire hatnote. Some languages don't use italic writing at all, so it shouldn't be forced. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 18:36, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :I'd support a translation administrator request ;), for reasons below. I'm not sure why we need a seperate translation administrator right, or why we have to call it an "administrator" (deciding that a page could be translated is a much less important role than, say, page deletion, or blocking). We picked three of them (well, one of them went through the WMF, so we picked two), [https://abstract.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Log?type=pagetranslation&user=&page=&excludetempacct=1&wpdate=&tagfilter=&wpfilters%5B%5D=newusers&wpFormIdentifier=logeventslist they don't appear very active, though], only marking 9 times this month, zero (0) of which were for pages marked for the first time. Both community translation admins used their global history and rights to get the role and only stop by occasionally, so having one who ''actually'' edits here would be nice. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 15:06, 20 May 2026 (UTC) ::This reply echos my philosophy of a sort of wiki-[[Q166005|xenophobia]] (the term xenophobia is probably too harsh, and I wouldn't consider myself one in real life, but it's the best word I can think of), I generally distrust users with a lot of global rights (both global sysop etc. and large amounts of local rights) who come make [[m:Metapedianism|metapedian]] contributions, not as people but to their ability to handle Wikifunctions and Abstract Wikipedia as incredibly unique and technically complex projects. I apologize if it my opinions come off as rude or ungrateful, I do appreciate the work of our translation administrators. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 15:26, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :::You don't bother me, it's fine. I think they definitely have a place, they can be useful and they usually are. Obviously local admins and what have you that earned their roles through the trust and reputation of the specific community they are in are going to occupy a more trusting position in my mind than a global sysop or global ''anything''. Specialized role members are good and healthy in the long term; I think we are giving these privileges to global users sparingly as the project is still in its infancy and as core contributors emerge and take up key positions we will have a more well-rounded and self-sustaining community with less global privileges needed to take up certain tasks. Wikifunctions probably needed some Foundation members or other staff to act as functioneers initially while the general community was still orienting themselves with WikiLambda and working on applying for the role, but now we have [[f:Special:ListUsers/functioneer|74(!) of them]] and the number of normal members using their specialized skills outnumbers those who were "grandfathered" in (for lack of a better term) or similar. The wiki is young—it just needs time. I myself have been considering applying for sysop privileges since they are obviously needed (there being exactly Zero of them at the moment); I've been weighing the pros and cons of such a commitment, it's obviously a lot to take up. I wish your sysop request went through, I think you would have made a great admin here. I'm unsure of what others think of my capabilities, I'm rather in-and-out around these social spaces so I don't know if there's much to go off of. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 15:55, 20 May 2026 (UTC) ::::Totally agree, and I'd support a sysopship request as well, though I'm apparently not good at assessing what the community considers supportable in admin candidate ;). ::::Off-topic, but interestingly, the sysop toolset allows you to grant yourself translation adminship. I'm not sure if sysops are expected not to grant themselves the permissions (kind of like how on enwiki 'crats are expected not grant themselves any rights without discussion despite having the technical rights), but I did it to myself on WF because [https://www.wikifunctions.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&logid=84940 another sysop had]. Additionally, the functioneer right [[Special:ListGroupRights#functioneer|exists on this wiki]], with the same rights on WF, despite all of them not doing anything on this wiki. I believe this is because, on the technical side, both AW and WF are powered by the same MediaWiki extension (Wikilambda), with one wiki set to a mode for abstract articles and another set to a mode for ZObjects. [https://dag.wikipedia.org/wiki/Di%C5%8B%27gahim:ListGroupRights#functioneer Checking the Dagbani Wikipedia] supports this theory. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 18:00, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :::::It always depends on the local policy. For Wikifunctions it is: ''Administrators do not need to undergo another discussion to become translation administrators; they can self-grant the rights to their account if necessary. Temporary administrators are not allowed to self-grant permanent translation administrator rights.'' :::::The availability of the functioneer right is a bug, see [[phab:T407066]]. --[[User:Ameisenigel|Ameisenigel]] ([[User talk:Ameisenigel|talk]]) 19:36, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :::If you don't consider yourself a xenophobe in real life, I would recommend not calling yourself that here, or anywhere really. Especially since it was the ideological capture during the 2010s of the Croatian-language Wikipedia [[w:hr:]] by actual xenophobes that was part of the impetus for Abstract Wikipedia according to [https://simia.net/wiki/Draft:_Collaborating_on_the_sum_of_all_knowledge_across_languages#A_look_on_some_south_Slavic_language_Wikipedias Denny's blog]. [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 22:10, 26 May 2026 (UTC) == Policy drafts == Hi all! I've written some draft policies and guidelines over the last few days. We're not a bureaucracy, so the point is not to set some rules but to kick off some discussions as to how our wiki will work. So far, I've created: * [[Abstract Wikipedia:Notability|a notability guideline]] * [[Abstract Wikipedia:Deletion policy|a deletion policy]] I've written them as my opinion on what should happen, but I'm hoping to align them with community consensus as we discuss them more. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 13:44, 21 May 2026 (UTC) == Wikifunctions & Abstract Wikipedia Newsletter #249 is out: Annual plan 2026-2027 == There is [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-05-23|a new update]] for Abstract Wikipedia and Wikifunctions. Please, come and read it! In this issue, we present you the current draft of objectives for Wikifunctions and Abstract Wikipedia in the WMF Annual Plan 2026-2027, and we take a look at the latest software developments. Want to catch up with the previous updates? Check [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates|our archive]]! Enjoy the reading! -- [[User:Sannita (WMF)|User:Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 09:48, 25 May 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Sannita (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Wikifunctions_%26_Abstract_Wikipedia&oldid=30536976 --> == To abstract Wikipedia or be the Abstract Wikipedia == There is a discussion happening about what the [[Abstract Wikipedia:Notability|notability criteria]] for Abstract Wikipedia should be, and in trying to participate I've found my idea of Abstract Wikipedia is awfully abstract. Is Abstract Wikipedia supposed to abstract Wikipedia, as in abstracting information from existing articles on the language Wikipedias (barring new contributions), or is it supposed to become the Abstract Wikipedia, supporting collaboration across all languages like it's the language Wikipedia to end all language Wikipedias (allowing new contributions)? I thought the answer would be obvious, but the name Abstract Wikipedia is a bit ambiguous. Am I missing something? [[User:Some helpful person|Some helpful person]] ([[User talk:Some helpful person|talk]]) 02:16, 27 May 2026 (UTC) :I think ({{ping|DVrandecic (WMF)|p=?}}) the idea is (and I personally prefer) the latter. I believe that, given the fact that it's much easier to write a concrete article than an abstract article, and the fact that the community of potential future contributors on enwiki is skeptical ''at best'', we ultimately will never expand beyond the size of other wikis, but I see no problem with allowing volunteers to add information not on other wikis (it's probably not the most effective, but they're volunteers, beggars can't be choosers), as long as it's not vandalism, useless, or promotional slop. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 02:31, 27 May 2026 (UTC) :@[[User:Some helpful person|Some helpful person]] Abstract Wikipedia is a Wikipedia, where people can collaborate across languages on articles, which can then be used to fill gaps in the existing Wikipedias. Whereas I expect that current Wikipedia articles might be used as a convenient starting point for many of the articles in Abstract Wikipedia, this is more a consequence of Wikipedia being one of the best places to go to to find reliable knowledge, but that is not part of how it is supposed to work. So, this is not to abstract the existing Wikipedias, but to collaborate on an Abstract Wikipedia. At no point is this meant to replace existing Wikipedias. (Thanks to @[[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] for the ping!) --[[User:DVrandecic (WMF)|DVrandecic (WMF)]] ([[User talk:DVrandecic (WMF)|talk]]) 17:01, 27 May 2026 (UTC) ::Thank you, this makes a lot more sense now. [[User:Some helpful person|Some helpful person]] ([[User talk:Some helpful person|talk]]) 21:52, 27 May 2026 (UTC) == template suggestion == Some way to mock abstract syntax on talk and project pages, analogous to those in [[d:category:format Template]]. [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 15:21, 27 May 2026 (UTC) :Hmm. I agree. :Workshopping ideas for how it works: :* Invokation: <nowiki>{{Call|Z26039|{"Z1K1": "Z18", "Z18K1": "Z825K1"}|{"Z1K1": "Z6091", "Z6091K1": "Q634"}|{"Z1K1": "Z18", "Z18K1": "Z825K1"}|lang=en}}</nowiki> :** This could then be suplemented by helper templates: <nowiki>{{Call|Z26039|{{Wikidata item argument reference}}|{{Wikidata item reference|Q634}}|{{Language argument reference}}}}</nowiki> :* This would result in "[[f:Z26039|subject is instance of (string)]] (wikidata item reference, [[d:Q634|planet]], language)" :** Icons are missing in this example, I'm not sure if we can actually add them :Thoughts? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 16:04, 27 May 2026 (UTC) == Marking NLG Default text == Some NLG functions give default texts, like [[f:Z33420|Z33420]] will give text like "Paris ∈ {city}". sometimes in other languages the English text is show. Currently there is no visual clue that these texts are not normal text in the requested language. I propose we mark these text with color <span style="color:magenta;">Paris ∈ {city}</span> with something like <nowiki><span style="color:magenta;">Paris ∈ {city}</span></nowiki>. To have this configurable/maintainable this could be included in a function, called NLG default text or so, with a text as input an a text in color as output. The exact formatting like magenta color or gray background or something else can be discussed/decided later. To have it even more configurable on personal stylesheets it could use a class like <nowiki><span class="NLG Default text">Paris ∈ {city}</span></nowiki>. What do you think? Could somebody make such a function already? [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 12:00, 29 May 2026 (UTC) :The are technically just monolingual texts in a language called "multiple languages". I threw a prototype together really quickly, [[f:Z35839]]. It will accept strings, monolingual texts, and html fragments as input, so you have to select which type you want. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 14:59, 29 May 2026 (UTC) ::OK, thanks, I added it to [[f:Z26039]] and works as expected, see [https://www.wikifunctions.org/wiki/Z26039?call=%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z7%22%2C%22Z7K1%22%3A%22Z26039%22%2C%22Z26039K1%22%3A%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z6091%22%2C%22Z6091K1%22%3A%22Q64%22%7D%2C%22Z26039K2%22%3A%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z6091%22%2C%22Z6091K1%22%3A%22Q515%22%7D%2C%22Z26039K3%22%3A%22Z1555%22%7D here]. The test for the function with default text now fails because it now is in magenta color. That was to be expected. I will leave the tests unchanged if that is OK with you, as we might need to change the exact formatting. ::Is it OK to add this to other NLG functions that produce default output? [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 15:59, 29 May 2026 (UTC) :::Sure, [[w:en:WP:Be bold|be bold]]! [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 20:50, 29 May 2026 (UTC) ::::Feeglgeef, I am struggling with the output. Can you have a look? [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 17:02, 30 May 2026 (UTC) :::::Can you link me to where? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 17:08, 30 May 2026 (UTC) ::::::{{Q|90}} in a language vls should give a magenta text. Instead it gives "Wikifunctions returned a failed response: Unspecified error". [[f:Z33422]] results "<span style="color: magenta;">Parys ∈ {stad}</span>" (as a string). [[f:Z26039]] also gives "<span style="color: magenta;">Parys ∈ {stad}</span>", but it's test [[f:Z33726]] gives an HTML equivalent, not a string. [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 17:59, 30 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::You shouldn't be returning HTML in string-typed functions. I'm not sure, then, how we implement your proposal, actually. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 18:54, 30 May 2026 (UTC) ::::::::I tried with [[f:Z35921]] but now the output is the literal text, and not HTML. Does anybody have an idea how to implement the text in a color? ::::::::Alternatively we could use texts like // Parys ∈ {stad} //. [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 16:51, 31 May 2026 (UTC) ::::::::: You need to output [[f:Z89|HTML fragment]], not String. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 17:16, 31 May 2026 (UTC) :I agree with the above that this should not be applied to functions which return strings or monolingual text. If anything, it might work to insert it into functions returning HTML. The most egregious problems I've seen are when I tried to render into an RTL language (e.g. Hebrew 0 try on [[Q408]]), and it spilled all the formatting all over the article. I will revert the change to the string default at [[:f:Z33421]], but suggest it is tested carefully if implemented elsewhere. In general I prefer just marking with spans rather than colours at this stage. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 04:49, 3 June 2026 (UTC) :: Perhaps mark with spans given a specific ID and then allow users to use a userscript/gadget to paint them magenta? That seems like the most considerate approach. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 05:12, 3 June 2026 (UTC) :::[[:f:Z32234]] suggests something like <code>span lang="mul"</code> or similar. [[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 05:20, 3 June 2026 (UTC) ::::I will (carefully) try some other alternatives, and use a personal class in my userscript for <nowiki><span class="NLG Default text"></nowiki>. [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 14:05, 4 June 2026 (UTC) ::::: If possible, can you use <nowiki><span lang="mul"></nowiki>? This would allow it to also catch some instances automatically. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 16:14, 4 June 2026 (UTC) ::::::I have done so, but how can I set my personal stylesheet to show color magenta with <nowiki><span lang="mul"></nowiki>? [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 22:20, 4 June 2026 (UTC) ::::::: try adding this to [[Special:MyPage/common.css]]: ::::::: [lang="mul"] {<br> color: magenta;<br> } [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 23:48, 4 June 2026 (UTC) : I created a new implementation for [[f:Z35921]] using emoji text, resulting in texts like "❌≪Paris ∈ {city}≫❌". It works on [[Q90]] for not yet specified languages like Zeelandic. I will be bold in adding this other functions that use default texts. [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 11:26, 5 June 2026 (UTC) == Ratification of the deletion policy proposal? == I haven't seen any unresolved objections to my proposal for a [[Abstract Wikipedia:Deletion policy|policy for deletion]]. Does anybody have any issues, and, if not, is it ok to ratify as an actual policy? I intend to remove the draft template and replace it with a policy template unless anyone voices any objection within a week. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 20:55, 29 May 2026 (UTC) :Is it just me or does [[Abstract Wikipedia:Deletion policy#Reasons for deletion]] render blank with only number bullets without the actual text after ''1.'' or ''2.''? [[User:Bunnypranav|Bunnypranav]] ([[User talk:Bunnypranav|talk]]) 07:13, 30 May 2026 (UTC) ::I see text. ―[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''<span style="color:black">v</span>f</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 07:49, 30 May 2026 (UTC) :::I can see on my phone, but it goes blank on my laptop. What is the role of ''<nowiki><span class="anchor" id="1"></nowiki>''? [[User:Bunnypranav|Bunnypranav]] ([[User talk:Bunnypranav|talk]]) 12:15, 30 May 2026 (UTC) ::::{{ping|Bunnypranav}} I can see the text everywhere (I tested connected and not connected, on my phone, laptop, with Chrome or Firefox ; what system do you use?). As the name suggest, the span anchor is here to create an HTML anchor, so you can do link like [[Abstract_Wikipedia:Deletion_policy#7]]. Cheers, [[User:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[User talk:VIGNERON|talk]]) 13:49, 30 May 2026 (UTC) :::::I'm on Brave browser. Nevertheless, forget it. The culprit might be some random customization I did to my system which I cannot recollect. The reason is the span tag only though, tried a preview kicking out a text to just outside the tag and it worked. [[User:Bunnypranav|Bunnypranav]] ([[User talk:Bunnypranav|talk]]) 14:23, 30 May 2026 (UTC) :Globally, it looks fine. I think that reasons 7 and 8 may need some examples/clarifications. There is no global consensus when it comes to creating categories. For example, categories for building interiors and exteriors. Personally, I feel that they are useful for easier discoverability. [[User:Jsamwrites|John Samuel]] ([[User:Jsamwrites|talk]]) 15:39, 30 May 2026 (UTC) ::I've copied them over from enwiki. They're probably included in "content otherwise not suited for an encyclopedia." Since sysops can't speedy them, it'd be up to commenters on [[Abstract:RFD]] to determine. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 16:48, 30 May 2026 (UTC) == Wikifunctions & Abstract Wikipedia Newsletter #250 is out: Looking back and forward == There is [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-05-30|a new update]] for Abstract Wikipedia and Wikifunctions. Please, come and read it! In this issue, we present you a recollection of our work so far, now that we celebrate our 250th newsletter, we share with you a summary of our latest outreach activities, and we take a look at the latest software developments. Want to catch up with the previous updates? Check [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates|our archive]]! Enjoy the reading! -- [[User:Sannita (WMF)|User:Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 10:04, 1 June 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Sannita (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Wikifunctions_%26_Abstract_Wikipedia&oldid=30606821 --> == Yet another suggested function proposal == Perhaps it's a bit early, but can [[f:Z36049]] be added to [[MediaWiki:AbstractWikiSuggestedWikifunctions.json]]? See [[Q38726]] for an example use. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 23:54, 4 June 2026 (UTC) : Meh. Consider this withdrawn until we know more about what we want image creation to look like. 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I'm requesting [[Project:Administrators|adminship]] on Abstract Wikipedia because I believe that having a local admin here would be highly beneficial to the self-sufficiency of the project, as Denny Vrandečić recently pointed out in the [[f:Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-05-08|latest status update]]. In my opinion, one of the main benefits of having a local admin is having someone who understands, in depth, the actual content of abstract articles. I’ve created [https://xtools.wmcloud.org/ec/www.wikifunctions.org/Feeglgeef over 1000 objects] on Wikifunctions, making me very familiar with the function model. As an admin, I’d be able to handle deletions and vandalism, update the main page for things like featured articles (when we get to that), etc. During my tenure as an admin on Wikifunctions, I designed the current styling for their main page, which has since been carried over here. I think I've been quite involved in the wiki since its creation a month or so ago. I am truly sorry for abusing my sysop tools in January 2025, which I understand severely violated the community's trust. I promise never to do so again if granted this position, though I completely understand if some community members still have reservations. Thank you. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 01:37, 9 May 2026 (UTC) *Abusing your sysop tools! Can you explain what you did and why? 🪶-[[User:Tanbiruzzaman|<span style="font-family:monospace;color:#006400;letter-spacing:1px;">TΛNBIRUZZΛMΛN</span>]] ([[User talk:Tanbiruzzaman|💬]]) 01:41, 9 May 2026 (UTC) *:Here's the [https://www.wikifunctions.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&logid=95967 log item]. My only excuse was a bad one, I was having a particularly terrible day and was frustrated with proceedings on meta's steward requests page. Of course, I promise that I'll be able to control myself and won't do anything of the sort again. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 01:48, 9 May 2026 (UTC) *::{{O}} per SHB, mainly. I can't trust you to grant advanced rights, for now.🪶-[[User:Tanbiruzzaman|<span style="font-family:monospace;color:#006400;letter-spacing:1px;">TΛNBIRUZZΛMΛN</span>]] ([[User talk:Tanbiruzzaman|💬]]) 09:31, 9 May 2026 (UTC) *{{o}} that tool misuse was extremely childish and is a bit far too recent in my opinion. —[[User:SHB2000|SHB2000]] ([[User talk:SHB2000|talk]]) 03:14, 9 May 2026 (UTC) *:Thank you for your feedback. If you consider 485 days "far too recent", how many would you consider enough? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 03:33, 9 May 2026 (UTC) *::I would’ve had a bit more sympathy if you actually reflected on what went wrong and what you would have done differently next time (instead of just a plain apology). You didn’t just misuse your tools, it also involved a Meta indef block for incivility, name calling and personal attacks. For you to obtain advanced perms, you should at the very least clear that block first. //[[User:SHB2000|SHB2000]] ([[User talk:SHB2000|talk]]) 04:29, 9 May 2026 (UTC) * {{s}}. I may be the only person to vote in favor of your adminship, but I truly trust and respect you as an editor and think you would be a great candidate for administrator on here. It's been over a year since that fuckup, and you have shown no signs of returning to that behavior since then, so the very least I could do is give you the benefit of the doubt. Irrespective of how this turns out, I thank you for your contributions. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 14:11, 9 May 2026 (UTC) :I'm '''withdrawing''' this request. I understand that the community isn't yet ready to trust me with advanced permissions again. Thank you all for your feedback, especially [[User:Theki]] for their words of support, which I really appreciate. 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0.5em; border: #99B3FF solid 1px; background: #F1F8F1; border-collapse: collapse; color:black" | | colspan="10" style="text-align:center;" | <div class="plainlinks">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;'''Gebruiker:HenkvD op [[commons:Template talk:Sisterlinks|zusterprojecten]]</div> |- | valign="top" align="center" | [[Image:Wikipedia-logo.png|18px]]<br>Wikipedia<br>[[:de:Benutzer:HenkvD|de:]] [[:en:User:HenkvD|en:]] [[:fr:Utilisateur:HenkvD|fr:]] '''[[:nl:User:HenkvD|nl:]]''' | valign="top" align="center" | [[Image:Wiktionary-logo-en.png|17px]]<br>Wiktionary<br>[[:wikt:en:User:HenkvD|en:]]<br />[http://www.omegawiki.org/index.php/User:HenkvD ΩWiki] | valign="top" align="center" | [[Image:Wikinews-logo.png|35px]]<br>Wikinews<br>[[wikinews:User:HenkvD|en:]] [[:n:nl:User:HenkvD|nl:]]<br><div id="cat" class="plainlinks">[http://incubator.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:HenkvD nl: in incubator]</div> | valign="top" align="center" | [[Image:Wikiquote-logo.png|16px]]<br>Wikiquote<br>[[:q:en:User:HenkvD|en:]] |- | valign="top" align="center" | [[Image:Wikibooks-logo.png|18px]]<br>Wikibooks<br>[[:b:en:User:HenkvD|en:]] | valign="top" align="center" | [[Image:Wikisource-logo.png|18px]]<br>Wikisource<br>[[:s:en:User:HenkvD|en:]] '''[[:s:nl:Gebruiker:HenkvD|nl:]]''' <div id="cat" class="plainlinks">[http://wikisource.org/wiki/User:HenkvD old]</div> | valign="top" align="center" | [[Image:Wikiversity-logo-en.svg|18px]]<br>Wikiversity<br>[[:de:v:User:HenkvD|de:]] [[:en:v:User:HenkvD|en:]] | valign="top" align="center" | [[Image:Wikimedia-logo.png|18px]]<br>[[:meta:User:HenkvD|Meta]]<br><div id="cat" class="plainlinks">[http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:HenkvD Strategy]<br><div id="cat" class="plainlinks">'''[http://nl.wikimedia.org/wiki/Gebruiker:HenkvD nl:]'''</div></div> |- | valign="top" align="center" | [[Image:Wikivoyage-Logo-v3-icon.svg|16px]]<br>Wikivoyage<br>[[:en:voy:User:HenkvD|en:]] | valign="top" align="center" | [[File:Wikidata-logo.svg|19px|Wikidata]]<br><div class="plainlinks">[http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:HenkvD Wikidata]</div> | valign="top" align="center" | [[Image:Commons-logo.svg|14px]]<br>[[:Commons:User:HenkvD|Commons]] | valign="top" align="center" | [[File:Wikifunctions-logo.svg|14px]] [[File:Abstract-Wikipedia-wordmark.svg|42px]]<br>[[f:User:HenkvD|Wikifunctions]] <br>'''AbstractWiki''' |} My name is Henk, from [[Q55|the Netherlands]] ([[:nl:Gebruiker:HenkvD]]). I am interested in Abstract Wikipedia functionality and have general knowledge of the Dutch language (as native speaker). As most other Dutch persons I have good knowledge of English and some of German and a bit of French and Romance languages.<br> I have an IT background, and try to understand the programming in Wikifunctions.<br> I will try to analyse Wikifunction, Wikidata, lexemes and add Wikifunction tests if needed. In my opinion the initial goal is to have Abstract Wikipedia pages with simple lead section (like stubs), an infobox fully from Wikidata, one or more images and maybe some simple lists. The simple lead sentences should function for as many languages as possible. That will also need that many languages will have labels in Wikidata and lexemes with genders. That will be a difficult enough to achieve. In my opinion extensive prose and its needed functions will be very hard to achieve. <br clear=all> {{#babel:nl|en-3|de-1}} {| class="wikitable" ! ZID !! Example !! English !! Dutch || Others |- | [[f:Z26039|Z26039]] A is a B. || [[Q90]] || Paris is a city. || Parijs is een stad || af bar bs eo frr fy hsb is mk nds os pap sr |- | [[f:Z34282|Z34282]] A is a B. (automatic based on Wikidata class) || [[Q13924]] || Adriatic Sea is a sea || Adriatische Zee is een zee. (cache) || |- | [[f:Z26570|Z26570]] A is a B in C || [[Q55]] || Netherlands is a country in Europe || Nederland is een land in Europa. || af bar eo frr fy mk pap |- | [[f:Z32581|Z32581]] A is a B by C || [[Q12418]] || Mona Lisa is a painting by Leonardo da Vinci. || || |- | [[f:Z28016|Z28016]] A is the B of C. || [[Q90]] || Paris is the capital of France. || Parijs is de hoofdstad van Frankrijk || |- | || [[Q1033]] || Nigeria is the most populous country in Africa. || || |- | || [[Q11750]] || list of sovereign states || || |- | [[f:Z35167|Z35167]] Infobox person || || OK || [https://www.wikifunctions.org/wiki/Z35167?call=%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z7%22%2C%22Z7K1%22%3A%22Z35167%22%2C%22Z35167K1%22%3A%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z7%22%2C%22Z7K1%22%3A%22Z6821%22%2C%22Z6821K1%22%3A%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z6091%22%2C%22Z6091K1%22%3A%22Q154946%22%7D%7D%2C%22Z35167K2%22%3A%22Z1157%22%7D OK] || OK (some labels needed, via P1629) |} First steps to get Abstract Wikipedia started: * Basic functions on Wikifunctions * Wikidata labels * Link Wikidata Q-items to Lexemes / gender of lexemes on Wikidata Natural Language * [[f:Wikifunctions:NLG functions|Wikifunctions:NLG functions]] * [[f:Wikifunctions:Catalogue/Natural language operations/Global language functions|Wikifunctions:Catalogue/Natural language operations/Global language functions]] Dutch language * [[f:Wikifunctions:Catalogue/Natural language operations/Dutch|Wikifunctions:Catalogue/Natural language operations/Dutch]] {{AbstractTestLemma}} {| class="wikitable" ! Function !! English !! Z1157 Dutch !! Z60 Local language |- | <nowiki>{{#function:</nowiki>[[f:Z26039|Z26039]]<nowiki>|Q64|Q515|Z1002}}</nowiki> | {{#function:Z26039|Q64|Q515|Z1002}} || {{#function:Z26039|Q64|Q515|Z1157}} || {{#function:Z26039|Q64|Q515|Z60}} |} Testing different NLG Default texts : <span lang="mul">Paris is the city of France.</span> : ≪Paris is the city of France.≫ : ❗Paris is the city of France.❗ : ≪❗Paris is the city of France.❗≫ bweomrj4or1kjp2dvdtnxp0ekgashew 9623 9622 2026-06-05T05:13:04Z HenkvD 1447 9623 wikitext text/x-wiki {| border="1" style="float: right; margin-left: 1em; margin-bottom: 0.5em; border: #99B3FF solid 1px; background: #F1F8F1; border-collapse: collapse; color:black" | | colspan="10" style="text-align:center;" | <div class="plainlinks">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;'''Gebruiker:HenkvD op [[commons:Template talk:Sisterlinks|zusterprojecten]]</div> |- | valign="top" align="center" | [[Image:Wikipedia-logo.png|18px]]<br>Wikipedia<br>[[:de:Benutzer:HenkvD|de:]] [[:en:User:HenkvD|en:]] [[:fr:Utilisateur:HenkvD|fr:]] '''[[:nl:User:HenkvD|nl:]]''' | valign="top" align="center" | [[Image:Wiktionary-logo-en.png|17px]]<br>Wiktionary<br>[[:wikt:en:User:HenkvD|en:]]<br />[http://www.omegawiki.org/index.php/User:HenkvD ΩWiki] | valign="top" align="center" | [[Image:Wikinews-logo.png|35px]]<br>Wikinews<br>[[wikinews:User:HenkvD|en:]] [[:n:nl:User:HenkvD|nl:]]<br><div id="cat" class="plainlinks">[http://incubator.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:HenkvD nl: in incubator]</div> | valign="top" align="center" | [[Image:Wikiquote-logo.png|16px]]<br>Wikiquote<br>[[:q:en:User:HenkvD|en:]] |- | valign="top" align="center" | [[Image:Wikibooks-logo.png|18px]]<br>Wikibooks<br>[[:b:en:User:HenkvD|en:]] | valign="top" align="center" | [[Image:Wikisource-logo.png|18px]]<br>Wikisource<br>[[:s:en:User:HenkvD|en:]] '''[[:s:nl:Gebruiker:HenkvD|nl:]]''' <div id="cat" class="plainlinks">[http://wikisource.org/wiki/User:HenkvD old]</div> | valign="top" align="center" | [[Image:Wikiversity-logo-en.svg|18px]]<br>Wikiversity<br>[[:de:v:User:HenkvD|de:]] [[:en:v:User:HenkvD|en:]] | valign="top" align="center" | [[Image:Wikimedia-logo.png|18px]]<br>[[:meta:User:HenkvD|Meta]]<br><div id="cat" class="plainlinks">[http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:HenkvD Strategy]<br><div id="cat" class="plainlinks">'''[http://nl.wikimedia.org/wiki/Gebruiker:HenkvD nl:]'''</div></div> |- | valign="top" align="center" | [[Image:Wikivoyage-Logo-v3-icon.svg|16px]]<br>Wikivoyage<br>[[:en:voy:User:HenkvD|en:]] | valign="top" align="center" | [[File:Wikidata-logo.svg|19px|Wikidata]]<br><div class="plainlinks">[http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:HenkvD Wikidata]</div> | valign="top" align="center" | [[Image:Commons-logo.svg|14px]]<br>[[:Commons:User:HenkvD|Commons]] | valign="top" align="center" | [[File:Wikifunctions-logo.svg|14px]] [[File:Abstract-Wikipedia-wordmark.svg|42px]]<br>[[f:User:HenkvD|Wikifunctions]] <br>'''AbstractWiki''' |} My name is Henk, from [[Q55|the Netherlands]] ([[:nl:Gebruiker:HenkvD]]). I am interested in Abstract Wikipedia functionality and have general knowledge of the Dutch language (as native speaker). As most other Dutch persons I have good knowledge of English and some of German and a bit of French and Romance languages.<br> I have an IT background, and try to understand the programming in Wikifunctions.<br> I will try to analyse Wikifunction, Wikidata, lexemes and add Wikifunction tests if needed. In my opinion the initial goal is to have Abstract Wikipedia pages with simple lead section (like stubs), an infobox fully from Wikidata, one or more images and maybe some simple lists. The simple lead sentences should function for as many languages as possible. That will also need that many languages will have labels in Wikidata and lexemes with genders. That will be a difficult enough to achieve. In my opinion extensive prose and its needed functions will be very hard to achieve. <br clear=all> {{#babel:nl|en-3|de-1}} {| class="wikitable" ! ZID !! Example !! English !! Dutch || Others |- | [[f:Z26039|Z26039]] A is a B. || [[Q90]] || Paris is a city. || Parijs is een stad || af bar bs eo frr fy hsb is mk nds os pap sr |- | [[f:Z34282|Z34282]] A is a B. (automatic based on Wikidata class) || [[Q13924]] || Adriatic Sea is a sea || Adriatische Zee is een zee. (cache) || |- | [[f:Z26570|Z26570]] A is a B in C || [[Q55]] || Netherlands is a country in Europe || Nederland is een land in Europa. || af bar eo frr fy mk pap |- | [[f:Z32581|Z32581]] A is a B by C || [[Q12418]] || Mona Lisa is a painting by Leonardo da Vinci. || || |- | [[f:Z28016|Z28016]] A is the B of C. || [[Q90]] || Paris is the capital of France. || Parijs is de hoofdstad van Frankrijk || |- | || [[Q1033]] || Nigeria is the most populous country in Africa. || || |- | || [[Q11750]] || list of sovereign states || || |- | [[f:Z35167|Z35167]] Infobox person || || OK || [https://www.wikifunctions.org/wiki/Z35167?call=%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z7%22%2C%22Z7K1%22%3A%22Z35167%22%2C%22Z35167K1%22%3A%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z7%22%2C%22Z7K1%22%3A%22Z6821%22%2C%22Z6821K1%22%3A%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z6091%22%2C%22Z6091K1%22%3A%22Q154946%22%7D%7D%2C%22Z35167K2%22%3A%22Z1157%22%7D OK] || OK (some labels needed, via P1629) |} First steps to get Abstract Wikipedia started: * Basic functions on Wikifunctions * Wikidata labels * Link Wikidata Q-items to Lexemes / gender of lexemes on Wikidata Natural Language * [[f:Wikifunctions:NLG functions|Wikifunctions:NLG functions]] * [[f:Wikifunctions:Catalogue/Natural language operations/Global language functions|Wikifunctions:Catalogue/Natural language operations/Global language functions]] Dutch language * [[f:Wikifunctions:Catalogue/Natural language operations/Dutch|Wikifunctions:Catalogue/Natural language operations/Dutch]] {{AbstractTestLemma}} {| class="wikitable" ! Function !! English !! Z1157 Dutch !! Z60 Local language |- | <nowiki>{{#function:</nowiki>[[f:Z26039|Z26039]]<nowiki>|Q64|Q515|Z1002}}</nowiki> | {{#function:Z26039|Q64|Q515|Z1002}} || {{#function:Z26039|Q64|Q515|Z1157}} || {{#function:Z26039|Q64|Q515|Z60}} |} Testing different NLG Default texts : <span lang="mul">NLG Default text</span> : ≪NLG Default text≫ : ❗NLG Default text❗ : ≪❗NLG Default text❗≫ : ❗≪NLG Default text≫❗ m9rg4gtf5qb9vgrd04hiddtwu0zdjw6 9637 9623 2026-06-05T10:06:53Z HenkvD 1447 9637 wikitext text/x-wiki {| border="1" style="float: right; margin-left: 1em; margin-bottom: 0.5em; border: #99B3FF solid 1px; background: #F1F8F1; border-collapse: collapse; color:black" | | colspan="10" style="text-align:center;" | <div class="plainlinks">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;'''Gebruiker:HenkvD op [[commons:Template talk:Sisterlinks|zusterprojecten]]</div> |- | valign="top" align="center" | [[Image:Wikipedia-logo.png|18px]]<br>Wikipedia<br>[[:de:Benutzer:HenkvD|de:]] [[:en:User:HenkvD|en:]] [[:fr:Utilisateur:HenkvD|fr:]] '''[[:nl:User:HenkvD|nl:]]''' | valign="top" align="center" | [[Image:Wiktionary-logo-en.png|17px]]<br>Wiktionary<br>[[:wikt:en:User:HenkvD|en:]]<br />[http://www.omegawiki.org/index.php/User:HenkvD ΩWiki] | valign="top" align="center" | [[Image:Wikinews-logo.png|35px]]<br>Wikinews<br>[[wikinews:User:HenkvD|en:]] [[:n:nl:User:HenkvD|nl:]]<br><div id="cat" class="plainlinks">[http://incubator.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:HenkvD nl: in incubator]</div> | valign="top" align="center" | [[Image:Wikiquote-logo.png|16px]]<br>Wikiquote<br>[[:q:en:User:HenkvD|en:]] |- | valign="top" align="center" | [[Image:Wikibooks-logo.png|18px]]<br>Wikibooks<br>[[:b:en:User:HenkvD|en:]] | valign="top" align="center" | [[Image:Wikisource-logo.png|18px]]<br>Wikisource<br>[[:s:en:User:HenkvD|en:]] '''[[:s:nl:Gebruiker:HenkvD|nl:]]''' <div id="cat" class="plainlinks">[http://wikisource.org/wiki/User:HenkvD old]</div> | valign="top" align="center" | [[Image:Wikiversity-logo-en.svg|18px]]<br>Wikiversity<br>[[:de:v:User:HenkvD|de:]] [[:en:v:User:HenkvD|en:]] | valign="top" align="center" | [[Image:Wikimedia-logo.png|18px]]<br>[[:meta:User:HenkvD|Meta]]<br><div id="cat" class="plainlinks">[http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:HenkvD Strategy]<br><div id="cat" class="plainlinks">'''[http://nl.wikimedia.org/wiki/Gebruiker:HenkvD nl:]'''</div></div> |- | valign="top" align="center" | [[Image:Wikivoyage-Logo-v3-icon.svg|16px]]<br>Wikivoyage<br>[[:en:voy:User:HenkvD|en:]] | valign="top" align="center" | [[File:Wikidata-logo.svg|19px|Wikidata]]<br><div class="plainlinks">[http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:HenkvD Wikidata]</div> | valign="top" align="center" | [[Image:Commons-logo.svg|14px]]<br>[[:Commons:User:HenkvD|Commons]] | valign="top" align="center" | [[File:Wikifunctions-logo.svg|14px]] [[File:Abstract-Wikipedia-wordmark.svg|42px]]<br>[[f:User:HenkvD|Wikifunctions]] <br>'''AbstractWiki''' |} My name is Henk, from [[Q55|the Netherlands]] ([[:nl:Gebruiker:HenkvD]]). I am interested in Abstract Wikipedia functionality and have general knowledge of the Dutch language (as native speaker). As most other Dutch persons I have good knowledge of English and some of German and a bit of French and Romance languages.<br> I have an IT background, and try to understand the programming in Wikifunctions.<br> I will try to analyse Wikifunction, Wikidata, lexemes and add Wikifunction tests if needed. In my opinion the initial goal is to have Abstract Wikipedia pages with simple lead section (like stubs), an infobox fully from Wikidata, one or more images and maybe some simple lists. The simple lead sentences should function for as many languages as possible. That will also need that many languages will have labels in Wikidata and lexemes with genders. That will be a difficult enough to achieve. In my opinion extensive prose and its needed functions will be very hard to achieve. <br clear=all> {{#babel:nl|en-3|de-1}} {| class="wikitable" ! ZID !! Example !! English !! Dutch || Others |- | [[f:Z26039|Z26039]] A is a B. || [[Q90]] || Paris is a city. || Parijs is een stad || af bar bs eo frr fy hsb is mk nds os pap sr |- | [[f:Z34282|Z34282]] A is a B. (automatic based on Wikidata class) || [[Q13924]] || Adriatic Sea is a sea || Adriatische Zee is een zee. (cache) || |- | [[f:Z26570|Z26570]] A is a B in C || [[Q55]] || Netherlands is a country in Europe || Nederland is een land in Europa. || af bar eo frr fy mk pap |- | [[f:Z32581|Z32581]] A is a B by C || [[Q12418]] || Mona Lisa is a painting by Leonardo da Vinci. || || |- | [[f:Z28016|Z28016]] A is the B of C. || [[Q90]] || Paris is the capital of France. || Parijs is de hoofdstad van Frankrijk || |- | || [[Q1033]] || Nigeria is the most populous country in Africa. || || |- | || [[Q11750]] || list of sovereign states || || |- | [[f:Z35167|Z35167]] Infobox person || || OK || [https://www.wikifunctions.org/wiki/Z35167?call=%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z7%22%2C%22Z7K1%22%3A%22Z35167%22%2C%22Z35167K1%22%3A%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z7%22%2C%22Z7K1%22%3A%22Z6821%22%2C%22Z6821K1%22%3A%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z6091%22%2C%22Z6091K1%22%3A%22Q154946%22%7D%7D%2C%22Z35167K2%22%3A%22Z1157%22%7D OK] || OK (some labels needed, via P1629) |} First steps to get Abstract Wikipedia started: * Basic functions on Wikifunctions * Wikidata labels * Link Wikidata Q-items to Lexemes / gender of lexemes on Wikidata Natural Language * [[f:Wikifunctions:NLG functions|Wikifunctions:NLG functions]] * [[f:Wikifunctions:Catalogue/Natural language operations/Global language functions|Wikifunctions:Catalogue/Natural language operations/Global language functions]] Dutch language * [[f:Wikifunctions:Catalogue/Natural language operations/Dutch|Wikifunctions:Catalogue/Natural language operations/Dutch]] {{AbstractTestLemma}} {| class="wikitable" ! Function !! English !! Z1157 Dutch !! Z60 Local language |- | <nowiki>{{#function:</nowiki>[[f:Z26039|Z26039]]<nowiki>|Q64|Q515|Z1002}}</nowiki> | {{#function:Z26039|Q64|Q515|Z1002}} || {{#function:Z26039|Q64|Q515|Z1157}} || {{#function:Z26039|Q64|Q515|Z60}} |} Testing different NLG Default texts : <span lang="mul">NLG Default text</span> : ≪NLG Default text≫ : ❗NLG Default text❗ : ≪❗NLG Default text❗≫ : ❗≪NLG Default text≫❗ : ❌NLG Default text❌ : ❌≪NLG Default text≫❌ : ≪❌NLG Default text❌≫ 72pulo571dy1e8u01w2cy0et2rmqb3m 0 1370 9647 7893 2026-06-05T11:38:22Z Jsamwrites 874 Add logo 9647 abstractwiki text/plain { "qid": "Q2013", "sections": { "Q8776414": { "index": 0, "fragments": [ "Z89", { "Z1K1": "Z7", "Z7K1": "Z33068", "Z33068K1": [ "Z1", { "Z1K1": "Z7", "Z7K1": "Z26039", "Z26039K1": { "Z1K1": "Z18", "Z18K1": "Z825K1" }, "Z26039K2": { "Z1K1": "Z6091", "Z6091K1": "Q638153" }, "Z26039K3": { "Z1K1": "Z18", "Z18K1": "Z825K2" } }, { "Z1K1": "Z7", "Z7K1": "Z32982", "Z32982K1": { "Z1K1": "Z18", "Z18K1": "Z825K1" }, "Z32982K2": { "Z1K1": "Z6091", "Z6091K1": "Q1310239" }, "Z32982K3": { "Z1K1": "Z6091", "Z6091K1": "Q54837" }, "Z32982K4": { "Z1K1": "Z18", "Z18K1": "Z825K2" } }, { "Z1K1": "Z7", "Z7K1": "Z28016", "Z28016K1": { "Z1K1": "Z18", "Z18K1": "Z825K1" }, "Z28016K2": { "Z1K1": "Z6091", "Z6091K1": "Q33002955" }, "Z28016K3": { "Z1K1": "Z6091", "Z6091K1": "Q180" }, "Z28016K4": { "Z1K1": "Z18", "Z18K1": "Z825K2" } } ], "Z33068K2": { "Z1K1": "Z18", "Z18K1": "Z825K2" } }, { "Z1K1": "Z7", "Z7K1": "Z36049", "Z36049K1": { "Z1K1": "Z310", "Z310K1": "M20650833" }, "Z36049K2": { "Z1K1": "Z12", "Z12K1": [ "Z11", { "Z1K1": "Z11", "Z11K1": "Z1002", "Z11K2": "Logo of Wikidata" } ] }, "Z36049K3": { "Z1K1": "Z18", "Z18K1": "Z825K2" } } ] } } } cn20x9yzqd4vb18a6qjy0b1001ppf9i 0 1728 9632 4546 2026-06-05T06:18:29Z 99of9 614 9632 abstractwiki text/plain { "qid": "Q4601403", "sections": { "Q8776414": { "index": 0, "fragments": [ "Z89", { "Z1K1": "Z7", "Z7K1": "Z27868", "Z27868K1": { "Z1K1": "Z7", "Z7K1": "Z26039", "Z26039K1": { "Z1K1": "Z18", "Z18K1": "Z825K1" }, "Z26039K2": { "Z1K1": "Z6091", "Z6091K1": "Q188509" }, "Z26039K3": { "Z1K1": "Z18", "Z18K1": "Z825K2" } } }, { "Z1K1": "Z7", "Z7K1": "Z32919", "Z32919K1": { "Z1K1": "Z18", "Z18K1": "Z825K1" }, "Z32919K2": { "Z1K1": "Z18", "Z18K1": "Z825K2" } } ] } } } qjdof4pl2mxrq0s229gzssd1ye1a3vo 0 2533 9601 6563 2026-06-04T22:43:48Z ApexParagon 484 delete "test" 9601 abstractwiki text/plain { "qid": "Q2934", "sections": { "Q8776414": { "index": 0, "fragments": [ "Z89", { "Z1K1": "Z7", "Z7K1": "Z29749", "Z29749K1": { "Z1K1": "Z7", "Z7K1": "Z26095", "Z26095K1": { "Z1K1": "Z18", "Z18K1": "Z825K1" }, "Z26095K2": { "Z1K1": "Z6091", "Z6091K1": "Q57814795" }, "Z26095K3": { "Z1K1": "Z18", "Z18K1": "Z825K2" } }, "Z29749K2": { "Z1K1": "Z18", "Z18K1": "Z825K2" } }, { "Z1K1": "Z7", "Z7K1": "Z32145", "Z32145K1": { "Z1K1": "Z6091", "Z6091K1": "Q1724915" }, "Z32145K2": { "Z1K1": "Z18", "Z18K1": "Z825K2" } }, { "Z1K1": "Z7", "Z7K1": "Z29749", "Z29749K1": { "Z1K1": "Z7", "Z7K1": "Z32326", "Z32326K1": { "Z1K1": "Z18", "Z18K1": "Z825K1" }, "Z32326K2": { "Z1K1": "Z6091", "Z6091K1": "Q31464082" }, "Z32326K3": { "Z1K1": "Z6091", "Z6091K1": "Q10990" }, "Z32326K4": { "Z1K1": "Z18", "Z18K1": "Z825K2" } }, "Z29749K2": { "Z1K1": "Z18", "Z18K1": "Z825K2" } }, { "Z1K1": "Z7", "Z7K1": "Z29749", "Z29749K1": { "Z1K1": "Z7", "Z7K1": "Z32326", "Z32326K1": { "Z1K1": "Z18", "Z18K1": "Z825K1" }, "Z32326K2": { "Z1K1": "Z6091", "Z6091K1": "Q31464082" }, "Z32326K3": { "Z1K1": "Z6091", "Z6091K1": "Q8495" }, "Z32326K4": { "Z1K1": "Z18", "Z18K1": "Z825K2" } }, "Z29749K2": { "Z1K1": "Z18", "Z18K1": "Z825K2" } }, { "Z1K1": "Z7", "Z7K1": "Z29749", "Z29749K1": { "Z1K1": "Z7", "Z7K1": "Z32326", "Z32326K1": { "Z1K1": "Z6091", "Z6091K1": "Q198815" }, "Z32326K2": { "Z1K1": "Z6091", "Z6091K1": "Q185217" }, "Z32326K3": { "Z1K1": "Z6091", "Z6091K1": "Q1418287" }, "Z32326K4": { "Z1K1": "Z18", "Z18K1": "Z825K2" } }, "Z29749K2": { "Z1K1": "Z18", "Z18K1": "Z825K2" } }, { "Z1K1": "Z7", "Z7K1": "Z32123", "Z32123K1": { "Z1K1": "Z7", "Z7K1": "Z29749", "Z29749K1": { "Z1K1": "Z7", "Z7K1": "Z32326", "Z32326K1": { "Z1K1": "Z6091", "Z6091K1": "Q1734883" }, "Z32326K2": { "Z1K1": "Z6091", "Z6091K1": "Q31464082" }, "Z32326K3": { "Z1K1": "Z6091", "Z6091K1": "Q333631" }, "Z32326K4": { "Z1K1": "Z18", "Z18K1": "Z825K2" } }, "Z29749K2": { "Z1K1": "Z18", "Z18K1": "Z825K2" } } } ] } } } 593spzzdc95xvsy4splx9bvw625edcv 4 2600 9577 6729 2026-06-04T13:57:12Z Mdktb 971 -+solid border 9577 wikitext text/x-wiki <div style="border:1px solid var(--border-color-subtle,#c8ccd1); padding:1em; margin: 0.4em 0;"> {{shortcut|[[Abstract:PERM]]}} This page is the place to request for permissions. : ''Add your request to the appropriate section below.'' : ''Archived requests can be found at [[Abstract:Requests for permissions/Archive]].'' </div><includeonly>[[Category:Abstract Wikipedia administration]]</includeonly> nr91dajo2ng4whwdi7dmc3ob1ti80ng 2 2617 9583 6808 2026-06-04T16:23:23Z JJPMaster 1823 Installing [[User:Feeglgeef/articlePreviewPopup.js]] ([[User:Enterprisey/script-installer|script-installer]]) 9583 javascript text/javascript /* Install by going to [[Special:mypage/common.js]] and add the following line: mw.loader.load( '//www.wikifunctions.org/w/index.php?title=User:Feeglgeef/wikilambda_editsource.js&action=raw&ctype=text/javascript' ); */ /* Based off of original copy made by [[user:מקף]] at [[user:מקף/wikilambda_editsource.js]]. */ ( function () { 'use strict'; const LINK_LABEL = 'Edit Raw JSON'; const LINK_TOOLTIP = 'Edit this ZObject as raw JSON'; const DEFAULT_SUMMARY = 'edit via [[User:Feeglgeef/wikilambda_editsource.js|raw-JSON edit tool]]'; const qid = window.location.href.match( /\/(Q\d+)\b/ )[ 1 ]; function fetchJson( z ) { const url = mw.util.getUrl( z, { action: 'raw' } ); return fetch( url ).then( function ( r ) { if ( !r.ok ) { throw new Error( 'HTTP ' + r.status + ' fetching ' + z ); } return r.text(); } ); } function save( z, newJson, summary ) { const api = new mw.Api(); return api.post( { action: 'wikilambda_edit', format: 'json', assert: 'user', summary: summary || DEFAULT_SUMMARY, qid: z, zobject: newJson, token: mw.user.tokens.get( 'csrfToken' ) } ); } function describeError( code, data ) { // mw.Api rejects its Deferred as (code, data). `code` is a short // string like 'http' or 'ratelimited'; `data` usually carries the // detailed API error object. Either may be missing. if ( data && data.error && data.error.info ) { return ( data.error.code || code ) + ': ' + data.error.info; } if ( data && data.exception ) { return code + ': ' + data.exception; } if ( typeof code === 'string' ) { return code; } try { return JSON.stringify( code ); } catch ( _ ) { return String( code ); } } function openEditor( z, content ) { const editor = $( '<div class="ext-wikilambda-widget-base" id="wikilambda_editsource" ' + 'style="background-color: ghostwhite; max-width: none; padding: 0.5em;"></div>' ); const textarea = $( '<textarea></textarea>' ) .css( { width: '100%', height: '350px', 'min-height': '200px', resize: 'vertical', direction: 'ltr', 'font-family': 'monospace' } ) .val( content ); const summaryInput = $( '<input>' ) .attr( { type: 'text', placeholder: 'Summary (default: "' + DEFAULT_SUMMARY + '")' } ) .css( { width: '75%', height: '30px', 'margin-top': '0.25em' } ); const status = $( '<span></span>' ) .css( { 'margin-right': '0.5em', color: '#555' } ); const saveBtn = $( '<button>Save</button>' ) .addClass( 'cdx-button cdx-button--action-progressive ' + 'cdx-button--weight-primary cdx-button--size-medium cdx-button--framed' ) .css( { float: 'inline-end', margin: '0 0 0 0.25em' } ); const closeBtn = $( '<button>Close</button>' ) .addClass( 'cdx-button cdx-button--action-default ' + 'cdx-button--weight-primary cdx-button--size-medium cdx-button--framed' ) .css( { float: 'inline-end', margin: '0' } ); saveBtn.on( 'click', function () { const value = textarea.val(); if ( !value ) { mw.notify( 'Please fill the source', { type: 'warn' } ); return; } if ( value === content ) { mw.notify( 'No changes detected', { type: 'warn' } ); return; } try { JSON.parse( value ); } catch ( e ) { mw.notify( 'Invalid JSON: ' + e.message, { type: 'error', autoHide: false } ); return; } saveBtn.prop( 'disabled', true ); closeBtn.prop( 'disabled', true ); status.text( 'Saving…' ); save( z, value, summaryInput.val() ).then( function () { editor.remove(); mw.notify( $( '<a>' ) .append( $( '<strong>' ).text( 'Saved — click to reload' ) ) .on( 'click', function () { window.location.assign( window.location.href.replace( /#wikilambda_editsource$/, '' ) ); } ), { autoHide: false } ); }, function ( code, data ) { saveBtn.prop( 'disabled', false ); closeBtn.prop( 'disabled', false ); status.text( '' ); // Log the raw failure so the user can inspect via devtools. mw.log.error( 'wikilambda_edit failed', code, data ); mw.notify( $( '<strong>' ).text( 'Save failed: ' + describeError( code, data ) ), { type: 'error', autoHide: false } ); } ); } ); closeBtn.on( 'click', function () { editor.remove(); } ); const buttonBar = $( '<div></div>' ) .css( { 'margin-top': '0.5em', overflow: 'auto' } ) .append( saveBtn, closeBtn, status ); editor.append( textarea, summaryInput, buttonBar ); $( '#bodyContent' ).prepend( editor ); } function openForCurrentqid() { $( '#wikilambda_editsource' ).remove(); if ( !qid ) { return; } fetchJson( qid ).then( function ( body ) { openEditor( qid, body ); }, function ( err ) { mw.notify( $( '<strong>' ).text( 'Fetch failed: ' + ( err && err.message ? err.message : err ) ), { type: 'error', autoHide: false } ); } ); } $.when( mw.loader.using( [ 'mediawiki.util', 'mediawiki.api' ], $.ready ) ).then( function () { const contentModel = mw.config.get( 'wgPageContentModel' ); const eligible = contentModel === 'abstractwiki' || !!qid; if ( !eligible ) { return; } const node = mw.util.addPortletLink( 'p-views', '#wikilambda_editsource', LINK_LABEL, '', LINK_TOOLTIP, 'r' ); $( node ).on( 'click', function ( e ) { e.preventDefault(); openForCurrentqid(); } ); } ); }() ); importScript('User:Feeglgeef/articlePreviewPopup.js'); // Backlink: [[User:Feeglgeef/articlePreviewPopup.js]] ru5ocxu334aslwaf1ngry9j3eq5olqd 5 3096 9574 9558 2026-06-04T12:15:04Z Jsamwrites 874 /* Content threshold */ Reply 9574 wikitext text/x-wiki == Copyvio section == What exactly does "Just because text has been converted to Abstract Form does not mean the author loses the copyright on the idea, unless it is a basic statement of fact" mean? Ideas cannot be copyrighted. [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 17:25, 21 May 2026 (UTC) :I agree that ideas cannot be copyrighted. On the other hand I think it would be a copyright violation if you take a Wikipedia article, transfer it to a abstract form, and get (more or less) the same result as the original article without proper attribution. --[[User:Ameisenigel|Ameisenigel]] ([[User talk:Ameisenigel|talk]]) 18:42, 21 May 2026 (UTC) :I shouldn't have put "idea." I mean like, if I open the first page of ''Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone'', if I put the concept of two people called "Mr. and Mrs. Dursley" and have them reside at a place called 4 Privet Drive, and described them as being proud to inform others that they were typical people, in abstract content, and then continue to copy the statements into abstract content down the page, I'm still violating Rowling's copyright, even though it might not output the exact text that was printed by Bloomsbury. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 19:17, 21 May 2026 (UTC) ::+1 this phrase (and the section more generally) is a good idea but is strangely worded. Also, in many (most?) cases, we could just remove the copyvio and delete the corresponding line in the history, a full deletion of the article is not always the solution. Cheers, [[User:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[User talk:VIGNERON|talk]]) 14:19, 30 May 2026 (UTC) :::Yeah, for copyvios I was thinking where the whole article was a copyright violation, but that's not true in most cases, whereas the wording makes it out to be. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 14:40, 30 May 2026 (UTC) == Cart before the horse? == This is a very good draft but it seems to me that we should probably focus on [[Abstract Wikipedia:Notability]] first (or at the very least in parallel). Cheers, [[User:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[User talk:VIGNERON|talk]]) 14:19, 30 May 2026 (UTC) :There's an ongoing discussion on its talk page as to whether we should require a site link to an existing article, so we need to resolve that. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 14:41, 30 May 2026 (UTC) == Content threshold == Considering only articles, there are many reasons why content may be deleted from them, as mentioned on the Project page. Is it too simplistic to suppose that, in general, the substantive reason for deletion is only the lack of encyclopaedic content? This echoes @[[User:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]]’s comment about notability, to some extent, but the subject may be notable while the article lacks sufficient content to justify its existence. By itself, that does not seem to be enough to require deletion, but I think it’s reason enough to consider it, particularly if it may be a case of “promotion by existence” of a named place, published work etc. For the time being, I think the content threshold will remain minimal, but I expect it to expand over time to also include some notion of quality, so the essential questions will be whether the article currently has sufficient worth-while content and whether there is a reasonable prospect that it will have, in a reasonable timescale. [[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 08:15, 3 June 2026 (UTC) : I agree. I ''believe'' this is how the English Wikipedia's notability policy developed (anything goes, until it became a household name). Similarly, the content quality we accept will increase over time (though blatant unfixable advertising, spam, vandalism, anything that breaks the wiki, etc. will be deleted now). I think the current wording is flexible enough such that it gives administrators and RfD participants enough discretion to follow this at our own pace. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 03:11, 4 June 2026 (UTC) :I agree. Given the limited number of functions currently available and the recent release, the content threshold should remain low for now, but it will need to be raised in the coming months. [[User:Jsamwrites|John Samuel]] ([[User:Jsamwrites|talk]]) 12:15, 4 June 2026 (UTC) dgtho955lvpvy4rskoqpteltwn08sns 4 3513 9604 9532 2026-06-04T22:49:33Z Theki 2698 9604 wikitext text/x-wiki {{archive subpage|link=Abstract Wikipedia:Project chat}} == Abstract Wikipedia should use a different mw-wiki-logo than Wikipedia for Vector 2010 skin == {{Tracked|T424781}} Hello friends. I've been asked to start a community conversation about this. I'd like to propose that Abstract Wikipedia create its own logo, so that folks visiting this wiki don't get it mixed up with Wikipedia. Even though this project is under the Wikipedia domain, I think it's pretty unique and it'd make sense to make sure it doesn't get mixed up with enwiki or other Wikipedias by newbies googling for Wikipedia articles. Thoughts? Thanks. [[User:Novem Linguae|Novem Linguae]] ([[User talk:Novem Linguae|talk]]) 12:02, 1 May 2026 (UTC) :Isn't there already one? Are we talking about a logo in a different context? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 12:25, 1 May 2026 (UTC) ::Looks like this is just for the Vector 2010 skin. [https://abstract.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abstract_Wikipedia:Main_page?useskin=vector Example.] I'll edit this section and the ticket to clarify that. [[User:Novem Linguae|Novem Linguae]] ([[User talk:Novem Linguae|talk]]) 12:28, 1 May 2026 (UTC) :::Ah, thank you, I'd {{s}} this then. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 12:31, 1 May 2026 (UTC) :This has been raised before above in [[#Logo]], the same problem appears on Monobook. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 13:45, 1 May 2026 (UTC) ::Would you support using [https://abstract.wikipedia.org/static/images/mobile/copyright/abstractwiki-wordmark.svg the Vector 2022 logo] on Vector 2010 and Monobook? That'd be a simple technical solution. [[User:Novem Linguae|Novem Linguae]] ([[User talk:Novem Linguae|talk]]) 14:02, 1 May 2026 (UTC) :::Yes, I see no issue with using that for the moment. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 14:04, 1 May 2026 (UTC) == What would it take for AW to catch up to (English) Reasonator? Porting over functions? == The Wikidata tool [https://reasonator.toolforge.org Reasonator] already automatically creates several sentences in English describing human Wikidata items using [https://codeberg.org/magnusmanske/reasonator/commit/b506362c3c2e90b32de32708ec668eee49603cb0 auto_long_desc.js] under [https://codeberg.org/magnusmanske/reasonator/src/commit/a6ee9095c3accfb67845caf438ce83c98c19e38e/LICENSE a GPL 2.0 free software license] without using any large language model or other AI. Abstract Wikipedia, on the other hand, requires [[Help:How to create an article/en|a several step process just to create a lead sentence]]. Does Resonator have functions in [https://codeberg.org/magnusmanske/reasonator/src/commit/a6ee9095c3accfb67845caf438ce83c98c19e38e/public_html/auto_long_desc.js#L406 the English section of auto_long_desc.js] that Wikifunctions doesn't have at the moment? Is that what's preventing Abstract Wikipedia from auto-generating substantial text (at least in English) based off of Wikidata like Resonator does? Below is [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?q=Q1339&lang=en an example of what Resonator can generate from Wikidata] without needing human edits the way Abstract Wikipedia does. (Though I omitted some children for the sake of brevity.) <blockquote> '''Johann Sebastian Bach''' was a [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=696651 Saxe-Eisenach]-[https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=12548 Holy Roman Empire]-[https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=183 German] [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=36834 composer], [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=765778 organist], [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=5371902 harpsichordist], [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=1259917 violinist], [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=899758 violist], [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=158852 conductor], [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=1076502 choir director], [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=691031 concertmaster], [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=14915627 musicologist], [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=16145150 music educator], [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=214970 virtuoso], and [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=2251335 school teacher]. He was born on [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1685-03-21 March 21, 1685] in [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=7070 Eisenach] to [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=309470 Johann Ambrosius Bach] and [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=66671 Maria Elisabeth Lämmerhirt]. He studied at [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=1930161 St. Michael's School] until [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1702-04 April 1702]. His field of work included [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=8361 Baroque music] and [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=9730 classical music]. He was [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=215793 chapelmaster] from [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1717-12 December 1717] until [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1723-04 April 1723] and [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=641457 Thomaskantor] from [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1723 1723] until [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1750 1750]. He worked for [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=117540 Collegium Musicum], for [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=1230608 Saint Blaise], for [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=61689 Leopold, Prince of Anhalt-Köthen], for [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=61972 Johann Ernst III, Duke of Saxe-Weimar] from [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1703-01 January 1703] until [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1703-08 August 1703], for [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=699668 Thomasschule zu Leipzig], and for [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=798194 Bachkirche Arnstadt] from [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1703-08 August 1703] until [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1707 1707]. He married [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=57487 Maria Barbara Bach] on [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1707-10-17 October 17, 1707] (married until on [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1720-07-07 July 7, 1720] ) and [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=57212 Anna Magdalena Bach] on [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1721-12-03 December 3, 1721] (married until on [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1750-07-28 July 28, 1750] ). His children include [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=15079141 Catharina Dorothea Bach], [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=107277 Wilhelm Friedemann Bach], […] He died of [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=12202 stroke] on [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1750-07-28 July 28, 1750] in [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=2079 Leipzig]. He was buried at [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=170402 St. Thomas Church]. </blockquote> [[User:Lovelano|Lovelano]] ([[User talk:Lovelano|talk]]) 18:41, 1 May 2026 (UTC) == Project scope == Might be a stupid question but what articles are/will be allowed on Abstract Wikipedia? How far is it meant to expand? The language Wikipedias have some differing policies, so might not be as simple as copying those. Personally I find the idea of creating an article for any and every Wikidata item really cool and a good ''baseline'' for what can have an article, but wouldn't ~120 million abstract articles become unwieldy? If the only requirement is that the article topic has a Wikidata item, then there are many interesting possibilities; one could write about individual dates, Wikidata test items, even Wikimedia disambiguation pages. Have not found where this is explained, if anywhere. This may be up to common sense, but trouble is, couldn't one create an encyclopedically meaningful article on just about anything? Pretty important policy not to have if it's undecided, though is not a problem at the moment. Just wondering. [[User:Some helpful person|Some helpful person]] ([[User talk:Some helpful person|talk]]) 23:36, 1 May 2026 (UTC) :This isn't a stupid question and I don't think this is entirely settled. Have you seen [[Abstract Wikipedia:About]]? [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 23:57, 1 May 2026 (UTC) ::Ah, I forgot about that page. So it is meant to abstract information from existing Wikipedia articles? Makes sense, though it still raises the question of creating new articles. [[User:Some helpful person|Some helpful person]] ([[User talk:Some helpful person|talk]]) 00:41, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :::At this juncture, I don't think anyone has in mind drafting anything new here as such: this is just responding to existing Wikidata items and the possibility of new Wikipedia articles drafted from them, using Wikifunctions. [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 00:51, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :I don't think we ever get any article an existing wiki does not have. Even if abstract content creation gets as fast as reasonably possible, it will never beat out typing text, so we will never catch up with, say, enwiki or eswiki. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 01:10, 2 May 2026 (UTC) ::It's also a question of policy. There are topics about which things could be said, but which wouldn't meet the baseline notability or other criteria of the big monolingual wikis. [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 20:22, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :::This is true, if we keep [[d:]]'s notability policy (which seems like the most natural one) then there are many subjects that we theoretically can talk about that don't meet the [[w:WP:GNG|GNG]] and similar guidelines. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 22:25, 2 May 2026 (UTC) == How many articles in how many languages are actually fully available without errors == This is a response to the call in [[:f:Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-05-02]]. The most important thing to count is already listed there: '''How many articles in how many languages are actually fully available without errors?''' It should be not just a count, but a list: I want to see which articles are readable in which languages; which articles are readable in some languages, but not others (which ones?); which articles are not readable in any language; etc. An even more relevant, but much harder to measure thing is how many of those articles are actually more useful than not having an article at all. There is no article about Boston in many languages, but [[Q100]], which currently says "Boston is the capital of Massachusetts.Boston is the largest city of Massachusetts." is not significantly more useful than nothing at all even if it's fully rendered in another language in which there is no concrete article about it. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 12:12, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :Perhaps this should have been on the talk page of that status update instead of the project chat? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 18:25, 2 May 2026 (UTC) ::The status update is about two projects and so I can understand if there are comments here. What do you think about creating a status update overview page with links to the status updates in Abstract Wikipedia to offer the possibility to discuss the status updates and especially things related to Abstract Wikipedia there. [[User:Hogü-456|Hogü-456]] ([[User talk:Hogü-456|talk]]) 18:57, 4 May 2026 (UTC) :::I don't think that's necessary. You can just include your abstractwiki (as in, the live wiki, not the project) related comments on the page on [[f:]], or, if for some reason that's not possible, as a reply to the newsletter announcement here. The point is, the project chat is crowded enough with topics as it is, ideally it should be more focussed on general matters of discussion than close-ended enquiries about topics that have their own talk page. I find Amire80's use of a new == heading here to be improper. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 19:32, 4 May 2026 (UTC) == Wikifunctions & Abstract Wikipedia Newsletter #246 is out: Request for input: what should we count for Abstract Wikipedia == There is [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-05-02|a new update]] for Abstract Wikipedia and Wikifunctions. Please, come and read it! In this issue, we ask you what would be the relevant metrics for Abstract Wikipedia, we discuss our latest news on Composition Language v2, and we take a look at the latest software developments. Want to catch up with the previous updates? Check [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates|our archive]]! Enjoy the reading! -- [[User:Sannita (WMF)|User:Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 12:21, 2 May 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Sannita (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Wikifunctions_%26_Abstract_Wikipedia&oldid=30325620 --> == Most used fragments == [[:f:Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-05-02|The latest status update]] lists the most used fragments: "[[:f:Z32123]] with 1452, followed by [[:f:Z27868]] with 736 and [[:f:Z29749]] with 650)". How was this calculated? [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 13:44, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :Again, this should definitely have been on the talk page for that status update. This isn't the everything page, it should be used for discussion relating to the wiki. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 18:26, 2 May 2026 (UTC) ::It's not a question just about the status update, even if it was prompted by it. It's a question about Abstract Wikipedia that can be relevant beyond the status update. ::Stop policing how people use discussion pages without a particularly good reason. If you don't have an answer to the actual question, don't write anything. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 19:38, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :::I have to agree with Feeglgeef that this would be better raised on the status update's talk page itself. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 19:42, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :::I'm "policing" which discussion pages are being used for the same reason different discussion spaces exist in the first place. And your distinction between "just about" and "prompted by" is irrelevant. If I want to ask someone how they did something, I would ask them first, not go to a general discussion board. This is still the project ''chat'', not a Q&A zone. {{ping|DVrandecic (WMF)|p=,}} can you please answer the question? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 22:22, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :I have a local script that I have run on a local copy. Nothing more complicated than that. Could also be very wrong -- the script hasn't been peer-reviewed or anything. --[[User:DVrandecic (WMF)|DVrandecic (WMF)]] ([[User talk:DVrandecic (WMF)|talk]]) 08:54, 4 May 2026 (UTC) ::Thanks, @[[User:DVrandecic (WMF)|DVrandecic (WMF)]]. Can you share the code, please? I'll be happy to review it. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 15:30, 4 May 2026 (UTC) 755r890uohngi8t5hadi1xb4k3xxqe6 2 3578 9585 9556 2026-06-04T20:51:04Z Feeglgeef 36 clean up a bit 9585 javascript text/javascript //displays the content of the generated text preview in a new tab/window (depends on browser settings) //when you press alt+o. 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The userscript requires you to give popup permissions to abstract.wikipedia.org. //Feel free to fork if you don't like the keyboard shortcut. 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User scripts enable user accounts to do things they otherwise couldn't do as easily. Also, you can write a new user script, either by modifying an existing script or by starting from scratch. ih33pfgg1iqmfuu06bxc8reu7wnhhdj 4 3589 9599 9571 2026-06-04T22:22:39Z FuzzyBot 563 Updating to match new version of source page 9599 wikitext text/x-wiki <languages /> User scripts are programs written in JavaScript to facilitate the use of Abstract Wikipedia. User scripts enable user accounts to do things they otherwise couldn't do as easily. Also, you can write a new user script, either by modifying an existing script or by starting from scratch. ==A word about security== User scripts have unlimited access to your account by their very nature – unlike OAuth/bot password based applications such as Huggle, where you can control access levels, the script runs in your browser. Anything you can do on Abstract Wikipedia, it can do. As such, and this is especially pertinent to users with advanced permissions, make sure that you trust the user who wrote the script. You will be held responsible for any actions it takes on your behalf. If you are "importing" a script (instead of copying the code itself) be warned that the user you are importing from could alter their script at any time. Only import from users you trust. ==List of user scripts== * [[User:Feeglgeef/articlePreviewPopup.js]] — Displays the generated text preview of an abstract article in a full-screen tab or window upon pressing <kbd>alt + o</kbd>. Requires you to enable pop-up permissions in the browser. rbtm4uxsrpazvcumcr7qa8s3k29bk6y 4 3590 9575 2026-06-04T13:54:55Z Mdktb 971 +Archive 9575 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Archive subpage|link=Abstract Wikipedia:Requests for permissions}} === Translation administrator: [[User:theki|theki]] === Let's give it a try, why not. There are plenty of pages on this wiki which are in need of being setup for translation from English, and I believe I have the necessary knowhow of this place (and Wikifunctions) to help with the effort. I marked up [[Abstract:Notability]] and the [[Abstract:Project chat/Header|project chat header]] for translation just recently; I'm hoping these are proper enough. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 19:27, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :Please add a languages tag at the top of the page and use Special:MyLanguage for linking other translatable pages. Thanks, --[[User:Ameisenigel|Ameisenigel]] ([[User talk:Ameisenigel|talk]]) 19:39, 20 May 2026 (UTC) ::[[Special:Diff/8190|Done]], I will keep that in mind for the next time. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 19:44, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :::Great, {{S}} --[[User:Ameisenigel|Ameisenigel]] ([[User talk:Ameisenigel|talk]]) 19:48, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :{{s}} '''strongly''', thank you very much for applying. I wish I had as much to say about you as you did about me. It'd be nice to have a translation administrator well-embedded into the project, a role [[User:Theki]] fits very well, and I trust them to handle this role. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 20:33, 20 May 2026 (UTC) Successful: 2 {{s}}s; 0 {{o}}s. {{ping|Theki}} please [[m:Steward_requests/Permissions#Miscellaneous_requests|ask the stewards]] to grant the right. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 19:28, 27 May 2026 (UTC) mfv9bzohd8bwjzto78eed65729i0irj 9592 9575 2026-06-04T21:45:42Z Codename Noreste 1280 /* Administrator */ archive from [[Abstract Wikipedia:Requests for permissions]] ([[mw:c:Special:MyLanguage/User:JWBTH/CD|CD]]) 9592 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Archive subpage|link=Abstract Wikipedia:Requests for permissions}} === Translation administrator: [[User:theki|theki]] === Let's give it a try, why not. There are plenty of pages on this wiki which are in need of being setup for translation from English, and I believe I have the necessary knowhow of this place (and Wikifunctions) to help with the effort. I marked up [[Abstract:Notability]] and the [[Abstract:Project chat/Header|project chat header]] for translation just recently; I'm hoping these are proper enough. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 19:27, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :Please add a languages tag at the top of the page and use Special:MyLanguage for linking other translatable pages. Thanks, --[[User:Ameisenigel|Ameisenigel]] ([[User talk:Ameisenigel|talk]]) 19:39, 20 May 2026 (UTC) ::[[Special:Diff/8190|Done]], I will keep that in mind for the next time. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 19:44, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :::Great, {{S}} --[[User:Ameisenigel|Ameisenigel]] ([[User talk:Ameisenigel|talk]]) 19:48, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :{{s}} '''strongly''', thank you very much for applying. I wish I had as much to say about you as you did about me. It'd be nice to have a translation administrator well-embedded into the project, a role [[User:Theki]] fits very well, and I trust them to handle this role. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 20:33, 20 May 2026 (UTC) Successful: 2 {{s}}s; 0 {{o}}s. {{ping|Theki}} please [[m:Steward_requests/Permissions#Miscellaneous_requests|ask the stewards]] to grant the right. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 19:28, 27 May 2026 (UTC) == Administrator == === Administrator: [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] === Hi all. I'm requesting [[Project:Administrators|adminship]] on Abstract Wikipedia because I believe that having a local admin here would be highly beneficial to the self-sufficiency of the project, as Denny Vrandečić recently pointed out in the [[f:Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-05-08|latest status update]]. In my opinion, one of the main benefits of having a local admin is having someone who understands, in depth, the actual content of abstract articles. I’ve created [https://xtools.wmcloud.org/ec/www.wikifunctions.org/Feeglgeef over 1000 objects] on Wikifunctions, making me very familiar with the function model. As an admin, I’d be able to handle deletions and vandalism, update the main page for things like featured articles (when we get to that), etc. During my tenure as an admin on Wikifunctions, I designed the current styling for their main page, which has since been carried over here. I think I've been quite involved in the wiki since its creation a month or so ago. I am truly sorry for abusing my sysop tools in January 2025, which I understand severely violated the community's trust. I promise never to do so again if granted this position, though I completely understand if some community members still have reservations. Thank you. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 01:37, 9 May 2026 (UTC) *Abusing your sysop tools! Can you explain what you did and why? 🪶-[[User:Tanbiruzzaman|<span style="font-family:monospace;color:#006400;letter-spacing:1px;">TΛNBIRUZZΛMΛN</span>]] ([[User talk:Tanbiruzzaman|💬]]) 01:41, 9 May 2026 (UTC) *:Here's the [https://www.wikifunctions.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&logid=95967 log item]. My only excuse was a bad one, I was having a particularly terrible day and was frustrated with proceedings on meta's steward requests page. Of course, I promise that I'll be able to control myself and won't do anything of the sort again. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 01:48, 9 May 2026 (UTC) *::{{O}} per SHB, mainly. I can't trust you to grant advanced rights, for now.🪶-[[User:Tanbiruzzaman|<span style="font-family:monospace;color:#006400;letter-spacing:1px;">TΛNBIRUZZΛMΛN</span>]] ([[User talk:Tanbiruzzaman|💬]]) 09:31, 9 May 2026 (UTC) *{{o}} that tool misuse was extremely childish and is a bit far too recent in my opinion. —[[User:SHB2000|SHB2000]] ([[User talk:SHB2000|talk]]) 03:14, 9 May 2026 (UTC) *:Thank you for your feedback. If you consider 485 days "far too recent", how many would you consider enough? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 03:33, 9 May 2026 (UTC) *::I would’ve had a bit more sympathy if you actually reflected on what went wrong and what you would have done differently next time (instead of just a plain apology). You didn’t just misuse your tools, it also involved a Meta indef block for incivility, name calling and personal attacks. For you to obtain advanced perms, you should at the very least clear that block first. //[[User:SHB2000|SHB2000]] ([[User talk:SHB2000|talk]]) 04:29, 9 May 2026 (UTC) * {{s}}. I may be the only person to vote in favor of your adminship, but I truly trust and respect you as an editor and think you would be a great candidate for administrator on here. It's been over a year since that fuckup, and you have shown no signs of returning to that behavior since then, so the very least I could do is give you the benefit of the doubt. Irrespective of how this turns out, I thank you for your contributions. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 14:11, 9 May 2026 (UTC) :I'm '''withdrawing''' this request. I understand that the community isn't yet ready to trust me with advanced permissions again. Thank you all for your feedback, especially [[User:Theki]] for their words of support, which I really appreciate. 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