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== Why don't we just structure this with wikitemplates? ==

I feel like the project could be done a lot better by using templates kind of like how wikipedia does them. Just the entire thing is templates that can be rendered in many languages. So like [[Q106289265]] would have the content &lt;nowiki&gt;{{Z26039|Q7257}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; and could even have some aliasing done across languages so it could be &lt;nowiki&gt;{{subject is|Q7257}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;. Code would be editable with a regular visual editor or code editor. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 04:34, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

:This is available in pages when Parsoid rendering is enabled. We don't use this becuase it doesn't make sense for constructing and editing massive articles. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 21:37, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::How do you do parsoid rendering? And why wouldn't it make sense? With aliases and everything could work great. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 23:12, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I believe it is enabled by default. If you do have it on: {{#function:Z10000|you'll s|ee this}} [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 14:54, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:you may be interested in reading this old [[m:Abstract_Wikipedia/Google.org_Fellows_evaluation|Google report]].  [[User:BrokenSegue|BrokenSegue]] ([[User talk:BrokenSegue|talk]]) 14:32, 9 May 2026 (UTC)

== Why the editing API doesn't work ==
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Immanuelle wrongly stated that there is no REST API for editing. [[#REST API for editing?|There is]]. However, it does not work when called from software outside Abstract Wikipedia. That is because there is no way to grant a bot password or OAuth customer the permission to edit abstract articles (&lt;code&gt;wikilambda-abstract-edit&lt;/code&gt;) and create them (&lt;code&gt;wikilambda-abstract-create&lt;/code&gt;), since no grant on [[Special:ListGrants]] includes either. Should this be fixed? [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]&lt;sub&gt;[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]&lt;sub&gt;[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;/sub&gt; ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 01:57, 26 April 2026 (UTC)

:Yes I think the rights should be added. I think the number of automated edits should be low at the moment as Abstract Wikipedia is still in an early phase and so far there is not much support for small languages and so many functions will maybe change to cover more languages. As automatic editing using a Bot Account requires an formal request it is no problem if the option exists. [[User:Hogü-456|Hogü-456]] ([[User talk:Hogü-456|talk]]) 18:17, 26 April 2026 (UTC)
:Sounds good to me. Could we add a bot section to [[Abstract Wikipedia:Requests for permissions]]? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 23:35, 5 May 2026 (UTC)
::[[Abstract_Wikipedia:Requests_for_permissions#Bot]] ―[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''&lt;span style=&quot;color:black&quot;&gt;v&lt;/span&gt;f&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 23:56, 5 May 2026 (UTC)

:not currently possible :((((( [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 14:46, 30 April 2026 (UTC)
:Feeglgeef is correct, past tense sentence generation is something we are sorely lacking at the moment. If you look at [[f:WF:Type proposals#Representing abstract content|Wikifunctions' type proposals]] you can see some initiatives that could hopefully mitigate this. &amp;mdash; [[User:Theki|rae&lt;sup&gt;5e&lt;/sup&gt;]] &amp;lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&amp;gt; 13:49, 1 May 2026 (UTC)

== Spaces between sentences, another attempt ==

[[Abstract Wikipedia:Project chat#Extra spaces between sentences|A month ago]], @[[User:内存溢出的猫|内存溢出的猫]]&lt;ref group=&quot;spaces3&gt;According to Google Translate, it's pronounced &quot;Nèicún yìchū de māo&quot;. Please correct me if it's wrong. When I write, I want to know how are things that I write pronounced aloud, and very unfortunately, I never learned to read Chinese characters, and even if I did, most English speakers probably didn't. Come to think of it, is there a function that ''reliably'' transliterates Chinese characters?&lt;/ref&gt; That discussion doesn't seem to have yielded any fixes or meaningful discussions, at least not that I can see.

[[Abstract Wikipedia:Project chat#Spaces between sentences|Two weeks ago]], I tried to bring up a similar topic, but that discussion somehow got derailed and also didn't yield anything useful.

Now, the problem looks differently, but it's still a problem. When I look at [[Q10251]], for example, what I see is four sentences that ''appear'' with ''no'' spaces between them. Not one, not two—none at all. It looks like this:
:Plasma is a fundamental state of matter.Plasma is a classical state of matter.A plasma is a gas.A plasma is a matter.

Note that I emphasized ''appear'': When I see them rendered on the screen, they have no spaces between them. In the HTML, however, they are represented as four &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;s, and their inline positioning is handled by CSS. This means, for example, that if I copy and paste them, I don't get a long string with no spaces after full stops, but four sentences with a single line break after each full stop:

&lt;poem&gt;
Plasma is a fundamental state of matter.
Plasma is a classical state of matter.
A plasma is a gas.
A plasma is a matter.
&lt;/poem&gt;

This is not how it is supposed to be done. &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;s are supposed to be used for block elements and not hacked into appearing as if they are inline (also known as phrasing). Spaces between sentences are supposed to be real characters rather than HTML and CSS tricks, they may be different in different languages, and in some languages they may be nothing at all.

I hope that the definition of the problem is clear.

&lt;references group=&quot;spaces3&quot;&gt;&lt;/references&gt; [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 12:49, 2 May 2026 (UTC)
:Hi, have a look at it [[Special:PermanentLink/7132|now]]. Does this match your expectations? I think it's not rendering right now for whatever reason, but there are other examples of it being done this way that you can see: [[Q241691]]. The article renders properly in both English (spaces between sentences) and Japanese (no spaces at all).
:
:'''English:'''
:&lt;blockquote&gt;Programmed Data Processor is a computer model series by Digital Equipment Corporation. PDP-8 is a Programmed Data Processor.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
:'''Japanese:'''
:&lt;blockquote&gt;PDPシリーズはディジタル・イクイップメント・コーポレーションによるコンピュータ・モデル・シリーズである。PDP-8はPDPシリーズである。&lt;/blockquote&gt;
:
:I have some, err, strong opinions about [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]]'s 「Abstract Wikipedia Editor」 tool, which is the predominant cause for all of these very janky and poorly-laid-out articles that you see. This is not how an article ought to be written on Abstract Wikipedia, and I and other editors are aware of this. If you see these problems, please do fix them! The wiki will be all the better for it.
:
:In the absence of consensus on such things as these (and awaiting any official policy pages) I have written [[f:User:Theki/best practices]] on my Wikifunctions userpage. You are welcome to read it if you wish. &amp;mdash; [[User:Theki|rae&lt;sup&gt;5e&lt;/sup&gt;]] &amp;lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&amp;gt; 17:20, 2 May 2026 (UTC)
::The output of [[Q241691]] looks OK to me in this regard. How was it done?
::[[Q10251]] gives me an error. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 18:10, 2 May 2026 (UTC)
:::WikiLambda is doing WikiLambda things. This WASI time limit error happens intermittently on Abstract Wikipedia articles and it usually goes away after a short while. The only thing is that it doesn't really seem like purging these articles does anything to force the orchestrator to retry its evaluation so the article might not render that paragraph until someone comes in and pokes at it by editing it somehow.
:::
:::The working article uses the [[f:Z33068|''paragraph from sentences'']] function to lay out its individual sentence content. This function automatically handles converting any and all text-like objects (strings, HTML fragments, and monolingual text) to a consistent form, so sentence fragments can all be supplied verbatim to its list input. When the function is putting the sentences together it defaults to using a single space to separate them, but first checks if the requested language is in the [[f:Z33984|''languages without spaces between sentences'']] list. If it is, it doesn't add spaces at all, and just concatenates the sentences normally. I hope this explanation makes sense. &amp;mdash; [[User:Theki|rae&lt;sup&gt;5e&lt;/sup&gt;]] &amp;lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&amp;gt; 18:19, 2 May 2026 (UTC)
::::It makes some sense, but earlier, you suggested: &quot;If you see these problems, please do fix them&quot;, and I'm not entirely sure how to do it. How would I fix it in [[Q100]], for example? [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 19:41, 2 May 2026 (UTC)
:::::In this case you would do the following:
:::::# At the bottom, click the plus and then 「Add empty fragment」.
:::::# Set the function to [[f:Z33068]], as mentioned earlier.
:::::# Now go through each sentence fragment, find the innermost sentence-generation function, click on the three dots, and copy it. Do not copy the calls to [[f:Z29749]] or similar, these are not necessary.
:::::# Go to the ''paragraph with sentences'' function call and add an element to the list.
:::::# Click on the three dots next to the new element, and paste in the earlier sentence fragment.
:::::# You can now delete the original fragment and repeat the process in the same list for the one after it.
:::::&amp;mdash; [[User:Theki|rae&lt;sup&gt;5e&lt;/sup&gt;]] &amp;lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&amp;gt; 19:46, 2 May 2026 (UTC)
::@[[User:Theki|Theki]] I intend on fixing it, I recently made an attempt but the suggested fixes made problems worse. Do you have any practical suggestions of how to structure the templates? I will try to implement them when I have more time.
::Also your name is very confusing, are you in the process of getting it changed wiki-wide?  [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 22:36, 2 May 2026 (UTC)
:::Um, are you referring to my signature not matching my wiki username? I have considered for a long time changing it from ''theki'', but I don't feel like putting in the effort when it seems to be perfectly ignorable for most people. The user 「''Rae''」 can't be usurped because they made, like, two or three articles on the Persian Wikipedia two decades ago or something, I don't know. If that weren't the case I would be User:Rae right now but after that failed to go through I just decided to stop bothering. Maybe at some point I'll come up with a username I'm happy with keeping for the foreseeable future but I have other concerns at the moment.
:::Could you explain how your attempted fixes 「made problems worse」? Presently I side with Feeglgeef's sentiments and prefer to wait for abstract content to actually be feasible to make on a reasonably descriptive scale (see: the type proposals) before I go around making articles willy-nilly, which is what AWE has been doing—making a bunch of pretty low-quality articles on a massive scale when it probably ''really'' would have been better to, err, hold off on that.
:::And I honestly know very little about the actual workings of your editor, I don't really use it nor am I familiar with its template syntax or whatever it may use, so I'm going to look over how it actually works and then get back to you on that. &amp;mdash; [[User:Theki|rae&lt;sup&gt;5e&lt;/sup&gt;]] &amp;lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&amp;gt; 23:28, 2 May 2026 (UTC)
::::Using this [[f:Z33068]] made things worse [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 00:44, 3 May 2026 (UTC)
:::::That did not go through correctly but I do not think we have a proper thing for it. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 00:45, 3 May 2026 (UTC)
::::::What? Could you elaborate? &amp;mdash; [[User:Theki|rae&lt;sup&gt;5e&lt;/sup&gt;]] &amp;lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&amp;gt; 01:00, 3 May 2026 (UTC)
::::::{{ping|Immanuelle}} I checked. Your issue is that your editor is not providing the article language to Z33068K2; that is, the ''paragraph from sentences'' function has a second argument, and your editor was omitting it. If you properly specify it, it will work. Please, next time, actually tell me what went wrong instead of going quiet and forcing me to look after it myself. &amp;mdash; [[User:Theki|rae&lt;sup&gt;5e&lt;/sup&gt;]] &amp;lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&amp;gt; 17:06, 4 May 2026 (UTC)

:I avoid [[f:Z33068]] for now, because executing a whole paragraph in a single call would often time out. So my current alternative is inserting [[f:Z35672]] between sentences. Fairly clunky, but it works... --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 06:08, 28 May 2026 (UTC)
::Can you categorize the talk pages of articles you're doing that with? It has major accessibility concerns for our friends using screen readers, so it'd be nice to be able to find those with issues when were able to fix the calls [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 21:50, 28 May 2026 (UTC)
:::I think the new tool can show us this (via dumps). For example, here are the uses of 'paragraph': https://abstract-data.toolforge.org/zid/Z32123 --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 23:07, 28 May 2026 (UTC)
::::There's more than one way to not use spaces correctly and more than one way to use spaces correctly, this wouldn't catch all of them. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 23:13, 28 May 2026 (UTC)
:::::I'm not totally sure what you want to track, but I'm confident that this will find all my uses. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 02:10, 29 May 2026 (UTC)
::::I think it slipped past everyone's notice, but I made a template for linking to that sort of information @ [[Template:Zd|&lt;nowiki&gt;{{&lt;/nowiki&gt;zd&lt;nowiki&gt;}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;]]. {{zd|Z35672|sentence separator}} &lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller;opacity:0.8&quot;&gt;(I don't think the database dumps have noticed the function you're using yet, so it's a 404 at the moment.)&lt;/span&gt; &amp;mdash; [[User:Theki|rae&lt;sup&gt;5e&lt;/sup&gt;]] &amp;lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&amp;gt; 01:09, 29 May 2026 (UTC)

===Easier solution?===
Maybe a much easier solution would be to replace the &quot;.&quot; after each sentence with &quot;. &quot; (a full stop and a space).  The paragraghs might add an extra space, but that is displayed as one by the browser. [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]])

==Wiktionary integration==
I was trying out a few functions recently, such as [https://www.wikifunctions.org/view/en/Z27243 the new superlative function], and I noticed that ''every adjective'' has to be a Wikidata item.  For example, I couldn't type in the inputs &quot;Bugatti Veyron&quot;, &quot;fast&quot;, &quot;Earth&quot; because &quot;fast&quot; as an adjective is not a Wikidata item.  This doesn't really make sense, given that Wiktionary already has the word for &quot;fast&quot; and its superlative form in many different languages.  Would it be possible to integrate Wiktionary into the function, so the user can type an adjective or verb from Wiktionary instead of having to deal with Wikidata (which consists almost entirely of nouns)?  [[User:Somepinkdude|Somepinkdude]] ([[User talk:Somepinkdude|talk]]) 16:49, 6 May 2026 (UTC)

:No, sadly. I would try &quot;speed&quot; as the adjective, though, you have to use abstract qualities instead of concrete English terms. [[File:Wikifunctions Superlative speed example.png|thumb|Here's an example of the word being used.]]  [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 18:02, 6 May 2026 (UTC)
:Wikidata has standard items as well as lexeme data, so if anything, we should try to integrate those. E.g. [[:d:Lexeme:L1029]]. ―[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''&lt;span style=&quot;color:black&quot;&gt;v&lt;/span&gt;f&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 19:48, 6 May 2026 (UTC)
::I tried this, and it gave &quot;Bugatti Veyron is the speedest car on Earth&quot;, which is laughably bad.  The problem is that Wikidata does not &quot;know&quot; what the superlative form is, while Wiktionary does.  Speed is a fairly common descriptor, but what about less common adjectives which aren't on Wikidata?  Will there need to be a bot to copy all of this information from Wiktionary?  [[User:Somepinkdude|Somepinkdude]] ([[User talk:Somepinkdude|talk]]) 22:14, 6 May 2026 (UTC)
:::I'm not suggesting that the functionality works &lt;em&gt;now&lt;/em&gt;, but that we need to integrate the funcationality. ―[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''&lt;span style=&quot;color:black&quot;&gt;v&lt;/span&gt;f&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 22:17, 6 May 2026 (UTC)
:::Well, no, the superlative form is chosen by [[f:Z12203]]. I think there's a bug with the English implementation that calls that function wrong.  [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 22:19, 6 May 2026 (UTC)
:@[[User:Somepinkdude|Somepinkdude]] I did find the item {{Q|Q19807466}} which was linked to a concept database's entry for &quot;fast&quot;; I have at least linked it to the English lexeme &quot;fast&quot; and will try to add more links at a better hour. [[User:Mahir256|Mahir256]] ([[User talk:Mahir256|talk]]) 04:18, 7 May 2026 (UTC)

== Showcase ==

I was wondering if there's a curated list of decent articles to learn by example here on Abstract Wikipedia? [[User:Fgnievinski|Fgnievinski]] ([[User talk:Fgnievinski|talk]]) 02:02, 8 May 2026 (UTC)

:Unfortunately not, and, honestly, I wouldn't recommend article creation at the moment, it's likely to need significant refactoring as the way we represent abstract content changes, but, I can point you to [[Q668]] as a reasonably good example at the moment. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 02:39, 8 May 2026 (UTC)
::Thank you. &quot;308 languages&quot; blew my mind – well done! [[User:Fgnievinski|Fgnievinski]] ([[User talk:Fgnievinski|talk]]) 02:54, 8 May 2026 (UTC)
:::308 is the number of ''concrete'' Wikipedias in which a manually-written article about India is available.
:::The abstract article renders for me in English as &quot;India is a country in Asia. India is a republic. New Delhi is the capital of India. India is the most populous country in world.&quot; Switching to another language to get rendered as an abstract article is done by typing the language's name in the box above the rendered text. I tried French, German, and Dutch, and got errors in all of them. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 03:12, 8 May 2026 (UTC)
::::So it goes. The paragraph has quite a lot of distinct sentence generation functions, all of which of course have to be implemented in the target language. This will be rounded out once we're able to more effectively generalize linguistic content. I view these functions as sort of patchy temporary solutions to the sentence generation problem while we figure out something more robust, which I hope is soon to come. &amp;mdash; [[User:Theki|rae&lt;sup&gt;5e&lt;/sup&gt;]] &amp;lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&amp;gt; 04:15, 8 May 2026 (UTC)

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== about the usage of Z33068 ==

The use of [[f:Z33068]] (en: paragraph from sentences) &lt;s&gt;always&lt;/s&gt; most of the time results in the error &quot;Reached time limit in orchestrator.&quot; So should it be used at all for now, temporarily? Or maybe there are already some tickets about this that I am not aware of? -- [[User:Asked42|Asked42]] ([[User talk:Asked42|talk]]) 18:23, 10 May 2026 (UTC)

:It previously worked, so I'm hoping whatever the issue is will be fixed soon. The current state of the wiki makes [[m:Immediatism|immediatism]] an illogical philosophy to have at the moment, in my opinion. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 20:16, 10 May 2026 (UTC)
::This issue seems to no longer exist, you might need to clear the cache by making a dummy edit on affected articles. I implemented the function in Python (instead of composition), which has increased the speed by about 2000 ms. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 04:31, 11 May 2026 (UTC)
:::Seems like working. Thank you. -- [[User:Asked42|Asked42]] ([[User talk:Asked42|talk]]) 19:06, 11 May 2026 (UTC)

== Manual of Style ==

I've created a [[Abstract Wikipedia:Manual of Style|draft for a Manual of Style]]. Please feel free to comment on or make bold edits to the page. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 03:29, 11 May 2026 (UTC)

:Thank you! That’s great and I’ll look at it more soon. I’m still taking a bit of a wikibreak.  [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 22:32, 14 May 2026 (UTC)
:Is there anything I've written [[f:User:Theki/best_practices#Abstract_Wikipedia|here]] that you think would make for a good technical section of the page? &amp;mdash; [[User:Theki|rae&lt;sup&gt;5e&lt;/sup&gt;]] &amp;lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&amp;gt; 00:04, 15 May 2026 (UTC)
::I've added some of them. Thank you for your list of best practices by the way, I generally agree with them (I can't endorse connecting WD items currently in hope of a better technical solution, but otherwise I do). [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 00:58, 15 May 2026 (UTC)

== Proposals on the architecture of Abstract Content rendering ==

Starting from a discussion born on the Wikifunctions Telegram chat, I've explained two different proposals on how the NLG on Abstract Wikipedia should be organized in the page [[User:Dv103/Abstract articles architectures]]. Please come to contribute to the discussion, or to propose alternatives. [[User:Dv103|Dv103]] ([[User talk:Dv103|talk]]) 14:32, 11 May 2026 (UTC)

== [[MediaWiki:Wikimedia-copyright-footer]] ==

The copyright message has a few issues, mainly that it does not address abstract content (which is not &quot;text&quot;), nor object labels (which are under CC0). Proposed text:

&quot;&lt;nowiki&gt;
Text and abstract content are available under the [https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/ Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License]; the labels of objects from [[f:|Wikifunctions]] are available under the [https://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/ Creative Commons CC0 License]; additional terms may apply. See [https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Policy:Terms_of_Use Terms of Use] for details.
&lt;/nowiki&gt;&quot;

Which, when rendered, looks like: 

Text and abstract content are available under the [https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/ Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License]; the labels of objects from [[f:|Wikifunctions]] are available under the [https://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/ Creative Commons CC0 License]; additional terms may apply. See [https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Policy:Terms_of_Use Terms of Use] for details.

The message is somewhat inspired by the current one and WF's. Thoughts? Thank you! [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 13:30, 12 May 2026 (UTC)

:@[[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]]: As you probably imagine, this text is very tightly controlled by the Wikimedia Foundation's Legal department. I think the first port of call should be a discussion about why you might want to change things, rather than a rush to specific re-wordings, before approaching them for sign-off. [[User:Jdforrester (WMF)|Jdforrester (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Jdforrester (WMF)|talk]]) 14:28, 12 May 2026 (UTC)
::Well I briefly summarized my justification, my proposed text was just an idea for a starting point. Basically, the abstract content is not really &quot;text&quot;, so the footer doesn't actually tell the reader what they're allowed to do with it, and I argue that the current wording implies that the labels are licensed under CC-BY-SA 4, when they aren't. I think a change is critical as otherwise we're not showing the reader a license, or, arguably, in the case of labels, showing users a license that ''does not apply'', which is a pretty bad thing. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 14:51, 12 May 2026 (UTC)

== [[MediaWiki:AbstractWikiSuggestedWikifunctions.json]] ==

I'd think we should add [[f:Z33068]] here. The function allows you to form a paragraph out of sentences and handles languages having different standards of whether to add a space between them, and adding it here would make finding it easier. I'm not sure what policy we want to have for the suggested functions, this idea might help formulate it. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 16:06, 12 May 2026 (UTC)

:[[User:Jdforrester (WMF)]] tells me the page has been changed to [[Special:CommunityConfiguration/AbstractWikiSuggestedWikifunctions]] on the telegram. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 16:25, 12 May 2026 (UTC)
::@[[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]]: Yup, see the weekly update on [[f:Wikifunctions:Status_updates/2026-05-02|2026-05-02]]. [[User:Jdforrester (WMF)|Jdforrester (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Jdforrester (WMF)|talk]]) 16:35, 12 May 2026 (UTC)
:I also believe Z33068 should be added to the list. &amp;mdash; [[User:Theki|rae&lt;sup&gt;5e&lt;/sup&gt;]] &amp;lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&amp;gt; 17:25, 12 May 2026 (UTC)

{{done}} see [[Special:Diff/7692]]. Cheers, [[User:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[User talk:VIGNERON|talk]]) 09:08, 20 May 2026 (UTC)

== Abstract Wikipedia statistics site source code ==

https://abstract-data.toolforge.org/ is a very useful tool, but it doesn't seem to have anything pointing to the location of its source code. Is it closed-source or unfree?

While I'm at it I feel I should suggest having language pages' paths formatted differently from how they are currently—at the moment it's &lt;code&gt;/languages/Toki%20Pona&lt;/code&gt; when something like &lt;code&gt;/languages/tok&lt;/code&gt; would be more suitable. &amp;mdash; [[User:Theki|rae&lt;sup&gt;5e&lt;/sup&gt;]] &amp;lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&amp;gt;
: See [[:gitlab:toolforge-repos/abstract-data]]. Also pinging {{ping|DSantamaria-WMF|p=}} (thanks for the tool, by the way). [[User:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|&lt;span class=&quot;skin-invert&quot; style=&quot;color:black;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:110%;font-weight:normal;line-height:normal&quot;&gt;NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh&lt;/span&gt;]] 00:25, 13 May 2026 (UTC)
::Thank you. I think a link to that repository should be put in a footer somewhere on the website as I wouldn't have found that if not for you. &amp;mdash; [[User:Theki|rae&lt;sup&gt;5e&lt;/sup&gt;]] &amp;lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&amp;gt; 02:30, 13 May 2026 (UTC)
:::{{ping|Theki}} For the record, I found that repo by searching for &quot;abstract-data&quot; on [[:toolhub:|Toolhub]]. [[User:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|&lt;span class=&quot;skin-invert&quot; style=&quot;color:black;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:110%;font-weight:normal;line-height:normal&quot;&gt;NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh&lt;/span&gt;]] 03:34, 13 May 2026 (UTC)
:::Thanks for the feedback and the report, fixed both things, we have now the link to the repo in the side bar footer, and also the language codes are used in the URLs. Thanks! [[User:DSantamaria-WMF|DSantamaria-WMF]] ([[User talk:DSantamaria-WMF|talk]]) 11:46, 13 May 2026 (UTC)
::::Are you particularly attached to keeping country flag emojis next to the language names? Some consider it an [https://flagsarenotlanguages.com/blog anti-pattern]. [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 16:17, 14 May 2026 (UTC)
:::::I think the use of flags is not really harmful since this is not a ''language selector'', it is just a list of languages. Of course not every language has an associated flag, for example Latin, which does look a bit awkward, but it can't be helped. Maybe give languages without a flag a unique icon from Wikimedia Commons? e.g. &lt;div style=&quot;display:inline-flex;align-items:center;border:1px solid #0002;border-radius:4px;gap:4px;padding:4px;&quot;&gt;[[File:Toki pona.svg|16px]] Toki Pona&lt;/div&gt; instead of &lt;div style=&quot;display:inline-flex;align-items:center;border:1px solid #0002;border-radius:4px;gap:4px;padding:4px;&quot;&gt;&lt;span&gt;🌐&lt;/span&gt;Toki Pona&lt;/div&gt;. &amp;mdash; [[User:Theki|rae&lt;sup&gt;5e&lt;/sup&gt;]] &amp;lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&amp;gt; 16:37, 14 May 2026 (UTC)
::::::I thought I saw 🏛️ being used for Latin earlier. But of course, as far as the Unicode Consortium is concerned, [[Q65300415|🇬🇧]] doesn't mean '[[Q1680|English]]', no more than [[Q100587670|🏳️‍🌈]] means '[[Q1359130|Polari]]'; technically, it doesn't even mean '[[Q145|United Kingdom]]', just the letters 🇺 and 🇰 next to each other (which linguistically would indicate [[Q8798|Ukrainian]] in ISO 639, but these are 'regional indicator symbols'). [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 17:21, 14 May 2026 (UTC)
:::::::As seems (from this comment and also [[f:User_talk:DSantamaria-WMF#c-%E9%AD%94%E7%90%B4-20260513063700-Country_flags_in_abstract-data|others' comments]]) that flags are a little bit controversial, I just removed them, IMHO it was just an aesthetic concept, I like the look and feel that flags bring to the language labels, but happy to remove them if make some people feel uncomfortable with the concept.  [[User:DSantamaria-WMF|DSantamaria-WMF]] ([[User talk:DSantamaria-WMF|talk]]) 05:54, 15 May 2026 (UTC)

== Make it more user Friendly ==

Make it more user-friendly by adding drag-and-drop compenots and one click additions, and make it similar to a visual macro buidler. [[User:ChippyTechGH|ChippyTechGH]] ([[User talk:ChippyTechGH|talk]]) 01:00, 15 May 2026 (UTC)

:Could you file something like this on [[phab:|phabricator]]? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 01:01, 15 May 2026 (UTC)

== Person infoboxes ==

Hi all, I've just created [[f:Z35167|infobox for person (Z35167)]]. All it can really do presently is display the name of the person in the chosen language and in the person's native language, but it's a good start. I started writing it as a composition but chose to switch to writing it in JavaScript instead, which ended up being less headache-inducing (managing a large list of strings to concatenate together is not fun, plus compositions bring lots of additional overhead). Unfortunately, this means that the actual ''useful'' parts of the infobox—the information about the person themself—is not really doable. I'd need to dereference the Wikidata property references to get their label in the requested language, but since they're references and I'm working with code, not compositions, I can't just call [[f:Z6822|fetch Wikidata property (Z6822)]] and be done with it. If there's a WikiLambda API to do this inside of the JS itself that would be great and would solve everything, but at the moment that alone is what's holding it back, or so it seems. I can get the actual ''values'' of statements just fine, though. If I am missing some amazing WikiLambda API function that will solve this problem for me by letting me dereference the PID, then please let me know because that would be great.

If you want to look at an example of the infobox right meow, you can view [https://abstract.wikipedia.org/view/tok/Q317521 Q317521 in Toki Pona] and see how it states Musk's name in both Toki Pona ''and'' his native English name. COOL!

My hope is that this can be made less barebones in the near future. Infoboxes are a great way to get quick information on a subject and can fill in the informational gaps in the presently sparse articles we have at the moment, all while staying in the user's requested language. Feedback is appreciated! &amp;mdash; [[User:Theki|rae&lt;sup&gt;5e&lt;/sup&gt;]] &amp;lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&amp;gt; 02:58, 15 May 2026 (UTC)

:Thank you for this! I wonder if perhaps it would be better to create one &quot;infobox&quot; function and then have compositions call that, making wd retrival possible? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 03:38, 15 May 2026 (UTC)
::Working on that at the moment, I think I've got it working but I'm hitting a ratelimit in the orchestrator so I don't know for sure. The main issue with it now is that the actual [[f:Z35175|infobox template (Z35175)]] wrapper was programmed in JS so as to not be a pain in the ass, so this means that it can only take in strings, HTML fragments, etc. so the retrieval of Wikidata stuff still needs to be done by the caller and is rather verbose (see [[f:Z35168|the main implementation]]). The niceties will come soon later once I know that it all works at a lower level, though. &amp;mdash; [[User:Theki|rae&lt;sup&gt;5e&lt;/sup&gt;]] &amp;lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&amp;gt; 05:04, 15 May 2026 (UTC)
::So the problem now seems to be that when [[f:Z29825|label of Wikidata property in language (Z29825)]] isn't being faulty, it's being incredibly slow. Considering retrieving Wikidata items from their references seems to take, like, four to five seconds, and we'll have tens of statements in these infoboxes, I don't see how the property names could be retrieved in a way that doesn't cause the orchestrator to time out or hit a ratelimit. &amp;mdash; [[User:Theki|rae&lt;sup&gt;5e&lt;/sup&gt;]] &amp;lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&amp;gt; 06:01, 15 May 2026 (UTC)
:::I think I figured something out? I'm just going to try calling [[f:Z35036|fetch Wikidata property or parts (Z35036)]], it seems to be much faster for whatever reason. &amp;mdash; [[User:Theki|rae&lt;sup&gt;5e&lt;/sup&gt;]] &amp;lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&amp;gt; 06:05, 15 May 2026 (UTC)
:::It works now, a little rough around the edges, also very slow, but I think I'm mostly happy with it. Of course it would be great if all you needed to provide to the template function to get a label-statement row was the property reference itself, but I'm too sleep-deprived to figure that out at the moment. I made five bespoke functions specifically for this infobox, more than I would like, but it's probably not ''that'' bad. I'm just hoping I didn't duplicate any functionality in trying to make the composition less verbose and repetitive. &amp;mdash; [[User:Theki|rae&lt;sup&gt;5e&lt;/sup&gt;]] &amp;lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&amp;gt; 07:15, 15 May 2026 (UTC)

== Wikifunctions &amp; Abstract Wikipedia Newsletter #248 is out: A higher meaning ==

There is [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-05-15|a new update]] for Abstract Wikipedia and Wikifunctions. Please, come and read it!

In this issue, we discuss functions creating language fragments, we present our latest news in Types, and we take a look at the latest software developments.

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== Translations ==

Yes, this question is probably easily answerable through a Web search, but I thought I'd ask here anyways. I am unfortunately not bilingual... I know Toki Pona, but it's a constructed language. I'd love to be a polyglot of some sorts but that is a future thing. I've been trying to translate pages into tok, for funsies mostly.

At any rate, I want to convert some of the un-translated pages, namely Feeglgeef's policy drafts, into ones that can be translated (and then translate them into Toki Pona of course). I think I have to be a translation administrator for this? Which is a process that I'd have to ''apply'' for, and I doubt I have the credentials to be accepted for such a role. Regardless, is there a way I can go about this without having to do it through someone else? I can probably easily find documentation on marking pages for translation but I don't know how much I'm actually capable of doing as just a regular user. Should I apply? &amp;mdash; [[User:Theki|rae&lt;sup&gt;5e&lt;/sup&gt;]] &amp;lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&amp;gt; 14:15, 20 May 2026 (UTC)

:Most of the process of preparing a page for translation can be done by any editor. See [[:mw:Help:Extension:Translate/Page translation example]].
:The step of marking a page or translation for the first time or after changes must be done by a translation administrator.
:I recommend learning the &lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;translate&gt; and &lt;tvar&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt; syntax and using it on a few pages before applying for this permission. After you do it on a few pages, and you feel confident, and you want to do it more, you can ask for the permission. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 14:28, 20 May 2026 (UTC)
::Just to confirm, did I mark up [[Special:Diff/8138|this page]] for translation properly? I thought to give the hatnote its own &lt;code&gt;&amp;lt;translate&amp;gt;&lt;/code&gt; enclosure so as to exclude the indent and italicization from needing to be included in the translatable text. &amp;mdash; [[User:Theki|rae&lt;sup&gt;5e&lt;/sup&gt;]] &amp;lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&amp;gt; 15:10, 20 May 2026 (UTC)
:::Mostly properly, but don't exclude &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;''&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; for italics from translation. It's generally a good idea to exclude complex markup from translation because it's hard for many people to type, and it usually stays the same in translation anyway. &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;''&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; for italics is different, however: it's very simple to type and familiar to most editors; italic letters are used differently in different languages, and in some languages they aren't used at all, so translators need the freedom to use them appropriately; this markup can also appear in the middle of a translation unit and not only in the ends. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 15:35, 20 May 2026 (UTC)
::::Thank you for the guidance. Should the italics be included if they are used over the entire hatnote? I figure that placement of italics should be left up to the discretion of the translators, but the hatnote itself is meant to be entirely italicized, I would think irrespective of the language it's in. Is this the right idea or should they still be kept within the translation unit? &amp;mdash; [[User:Theki|rae&lt;sup&gt;5e&lt;/sup&gt;]] &amp;lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&amp;gt; 15:45, 20 May 2026 (UTC)
:::::Yes, italics should be included in the translation unit if they are used over the entire hatnote. Some languages don't use italic writing at all, so it shouldn't be forced. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 18:36, 20 May 2026 (UTC)
:I'd support a translation administrator request ;), for reasons below. I'm not sure why we need a seperate translation administrator right, or why we have to call it an &quot;administrator&quot; (deciding that a page could be translated is a much less important role than, say, page deletion, or blocking). We picked three of them (well, one of them went through the WMF, so we picked two), [https://abstract.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Log?type=pagetranslation&amp;user=&amp;page=&amp;excludetempacct=1&amp;wpdate=&amp;tagfilter=&amp;wpfilters%5B%5D=newusers&amp;wpFormIdentifier=logeventslist they don't appear very active, though], only marking 9 times this month, zero (0) of which were for pages marked for the first time. Both community translation admins used their global history and rights to get the role and only stop by occasionally, so having one who ''actually'' edits here would be nice. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 15:06, 20 May 2026 (UTC)
::This reply echos my philosophy of a sort of wiki-[[Q166005|xenophobia]] (the term xenophobia is probably too harsh, and I wouldn't consider myself one in real life, but it's the best word I can think of), I generally distrust users with a lot of global rights (both global sysop etc. and large amounts of local rights) who come make [[m:Metapedianism|metapedian]] contributions, not as people but to their ability to handle Wikifunctions and Abstract Wikipedia as incredibly unique and technically complex projects. I apologize if it my opinions come off as rude or ungrateful, I do appreciate the work of our translation administrators. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 15:26, 20 May 2026 (UTC)
:::You don't bother me, it's fine. I think they definitely have a place, they can be useful and they usually are. Obviously local admins and what have you that earned their roles through the trust and reputation of the specific community they are in are going to occupy a more trusting position in my mind than a global sysop or global ''anything''. Specialized role members are good and healthy in the long term; I think we are giving these privileges to global users sparingly as the project is still in its infancy and as core contributors emerge and take up key positions we will have a more well-rounded and self-sustaining community with less global privileges needed to take up certain tasks. Wikifunctions probably needed some Foundation members or other staff to act as functioneers initially while the general community was still orienting themselves with WikiLambda and working on applying for the role, but now we have [[f:Special:ListUsers/functioneer|74(!) of them]] and the number of normal members using their specialized skills outnumbers those who were &quot;grandfathered&quot; in (for lack of a better term) or similar. The wiki is young—it just needs time. I myself have been considering applying for sysop privileges since they are obviously needed (there being exactly Zero of them at the moment); I've been weighing the pros and cons of such a commitment, it's obviously a lot to take up. I wish your sysop request went through, I think you would have made a great admin here. I'm unsure of what others think of my capabilities, I'm rather in-and-out around these social spaces so I don't know if there's much to go off of. &amp;mdash; [[User:Theki|rae&lt;sup&gt;5e&lt;/sup&gt;]] &amp;lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&amp;gt; 15:55, 20 May 2026 (UTC)
::::Totally agree, and I'd support a sysopship request as well, though I'm apparently not good at assessing what the community considers supportable in admin candidate ;).
::::Off-topic, but interestingly, the sysop toolset allows you to grant yourself translation adminship. I'm not sure if sysops are expected not to grant themselves the permissions (kind of like how on enwiki 'crats are expected not grant themselves any rights without discussion despite having the technical rights), but I did it to myself on WF because [https://www.wikifunctions.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&amp;logid=84940 another sysop had]. Additionally, the functioneer right [[Special:ListGroupRights#functioneer|exists on this wiki]], with the same rights on WF, despite all of them not doing anything on this wiki. I believe this is because, on the technical side, both AW and WF are powered by the same MediaWiki extension (Wikilambda), with one wiki set to a mode for abstract articles and another set to a mode for ZObjects. [https://dag.wikipedia.org/wiki/Di%C5%8B%27gahim:ListGroupRights#functioneer Checking the Dagbani Wikipedia] supports this theory. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 18:00, 20 May 2026 (UTC)
:::::It always depends on the local policy. For Wikifunctions it is: ''Administrators do not need to undergo another discussion to become translation administrators; they can self-grant the rights to their account if necessary. Temporary administrators are not allowed to self-grant permanent translation administrator rights.''
:::::The availability of the functioneer right is a bug, see [[phab:T407066]]. --[[User:Ameisenigel|Ameisenigel]] ([[User talk:Ameisenigel|talk]]) 19:36, 20 May 2026 (UTC)
:::If you don't consider yourself a xenophobe in real life, I would recommend not calling yourself that here, or anywhere really. Especially since it was the ideological capture during the 2010s of the Croatian-language Wikipedia [[w:hr:]] by actual xenophobes that was part of the impetus for Abstract Wikipedia according to [https://simia.net/wiki/Draft:_Collaborating_on_the_sum_of_all_knowledge_across_languages#A_look_on_some_south_Slavic_language_Wikipedias Denny's blog]. [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 22:10, 26 May 2026 (UTC)

== Policy drafts ==

Hi all! I've written some draft policies and guidelines over the last few days. We're not a bureaucracy, so the point is not to set some rules but to kick off some discussions as to how our wiki will work. 
So far, I've created:
* [[Abstract Wikipedia:Notability|a notability guideline]]
* [[Abstract Wikipedia:Deletion policy|a deletion policy]]
I've written them as my opinion on what should happen, but I'm hoping to align them with community consensus as we discuss them more. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 13:44, 21 May 2026 (UTC)

== Wikifunctions &amp; Abstract Wikipedia Newsletter #249 is out: Annual plan 2026-2027 ==

There is [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-05-23|a new update]] for Abstract Wikipedia and Wikifunctions. Please, come and read it!

In this issue, we present you the current draft of objectives for Wikifunctions and Abstract Wikipedia in the WMF Annual Plan 2026-2027, and we take a look at the latest software developments.

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== To abstract Wikipedia or be the Abstract Wikipedia ==

There is a discussion happening about what the [[Abstract Wikipedia:Notability|notability criteria]] for Abstract Wikipedia should be, and in trying to participate I've found my idea of Abstract Wikipedia is awfully abstract. Is Abstract Wikipedia supposed to abstract Wikipedia, as in abstracting information from existing articles on the language Wikipedias (barring new contributions), or is it supposed to become the Abstract Wikipedia, supporting collaboration across all languages like it's the language Wikipedia to end all language Wikipedias (allowing new contributions)? I thought the answer would be obvious, but the name Abstract Wikipedia is a bit ambiguous. Am I missing something? [[User:Some helpful person|Some helpful person]] ([[User talk:Some helpful person|talk]]) 02:16, 27 May 2026 (UTC)

:I think ({{ping|DVrandecic (WMF)|p=?}}) the idea is (and I personally prefer) the latter. I believe that, given the fact that it's much easier to write a concrete article than an abstract article, and the fact that the community of potential future contributors on enwiki is skeptical ''at best'', we ultimately will never expand beyond the size of other wikis, but I see no problem with allowing volunteers to add information not on other wikis (it's probably not the most effective, but they're volunteers, beggars can't be choosers), as long as it's not vandalism, useless, or promotional slop. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 02:31, 27 May 2026 (UTC)
:@[[User:Some helpful person|Some helpful person]] Abstract Wikipedia is a Wikipedia, where people can collaborate across languages on articles, which can then be used to fill gaps in the existing Wikipedias. Whereas I expect that current Wikipedia articles might be used as a convenient starting point for many of the articles in Abstract Wikipedia, this is more a consequence of Wikipedia being one of the best places to go to to find reliable knowledge, but that is not part of how it is supposed to work. So, this is not to abstract the existing Wikipedias, but to collaborate on an Abstract Wikipedia. At no point is this meant to replace existing Wikipedias. (Thanks to @[[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] for the ping!) --[[User:DVrandecic (WMF)|DVrandecic (WMF)]] ([[User talk:DVrandecic (WMF)|talk]]) 17:01, 27 May 2026 (UTC)
::Thank you, this makes a lot more sense now. [[User:Some helpful person|Some helpful person]] ([[User talk:Some helpful person|talk]]) 21:52, 27 May 2026 (UTC)

== template suggestion ==

Some way to mock abstract syntax on talk and project pages, analogous to those in [[d:category:format Template]]. [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 15:21, 27 May 2026 (UTC)

:Hmm. I agree.
:Workshopping ideas for how it works:
:* Invokation: &lt;nowiki&gt;{{Call|Z26039|{&quot;Z1K1&quot;: &quot;Z18&quot;, &quot;Z18K1&quot;: &quot;Z825K1&quot;}|{&quot;Z1K1&quot;: &quot;Z6091&quot;, &quot;Z6091K1&quot;: &quot;Q634&quot;}|{&quot;Z1K1&quot;: &quot;Z18&quot;, &quot;Z18K1&quot;: &quot;Z825K1&quot;}|lang=en}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;
:** This could then be suplemented by helper templates: &lt;nowiki&gt;{{Call|Z26039|{{Wikidata item argument reference}}|{{Wikidata item reference|Q634}}|{{Language argument reference}}}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;
:* This would result in &quot;[[f:Z26039|subject is instance of (string)]] (wikidata item reference, [[d:Q634|planet]], language)&quot;
:** Icons are missing in this example, I'm not sure if we can actually add them
:Thoughts? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 16:04, 27 May 2026 (UTC)

== Marking NLG Default text ==

Some NLG functions give default texts, like [[f:Z33420|Z33420]] will give text like &quot;Paris ∈ {city}&quot;. sometimes in other languages the English text is show. Currently there is no visual clue that these texts are not normal text in the requested language. I propose we mark these text with color &lt;span style=&quot;color:magenta;&quot;&gt;Paris ∈ {city}&lt;/span&gt; with something like &lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:magenta;&quot;&gt;Paris ∈ {city}&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;. To have this configurable/maintainable this could be included in a function, called NLG default text or so, with a text as input an a text in color as output. The exact formatting like magenta color or gray background or something else can be discussed/decided later. To have it even more configurable on personal stylesheets it could use a class like &lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;NLG Default text&quot;&gt;Paris ∈ {city}&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;. What do you think? Could somebody make such a function already? [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 12:00, 29 May 2026 (UTC)

:The are technically just monolingual texts in a language called &quot;multiple languages&quot;. I threw a prototype together really quickly, [[f:Z35839]]. It will accept strings, monolingual texts, and html fragments as input, so you have to select which type you want. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 14:59, 29 May 2026 (UTC)
::OK, thanks, I added it to [[f:Z26039]] and works as expected, see [https://www.wikifunctions.org/wiki/Z26039?call=%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z7%22%2C%22Z7K1%22%3A%22Z26039%22%2C%22Z26039K1%22%3A%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z6091%22%2C%22Z6091K1%22%3A%22Q64%22%7D%2C%22Z26039K2%22%3A%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z6091%22%2C%22Z6091K1%22%3A%22Q515%22%7D%2C%22Z26039K3%22%3A%22Z1555%22%7D here]. The test for the function with default text now fails because it now is in magenta color. That was to be expected. I will leave the tests unchanged if that is OK with you, as we might need to change the exact formatting.
::Is it OK to add this to other NLG functions that produce default output? [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 15:59, 29 May 2026 (UTC)
:::Sure, [[w:en:WP:Be bold|be bold]]! [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 20:50, 29 May 2026 (UTC)
::::Feeglgeef, I am struggling with the output. Can you have a look? [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 17:02, 30 May 2026 (UTC)
:::::Can you link me to where? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 17:08, 30 May 2026 (UTC)
::::::{{Q|90}} in a language vls should give a magenta text. Instead it gives &quot;Wikifunctions returned a failed response: Unspecified error&quot;. [[f:Z33422]] results &quot;&lt;span style=&quot;color: magenta;&quot;&gt;Parys ∈ {stad}&lt;/span&gt;&quot; (as a string). [[f:Z26039]] also gives &quot;&lt;span style=&quot;color: magenta;&quot;&gt;Parys ∈ {stad}&lt;/span&gt;&quot;, but it's test [[f:Z33726]] gives an HTML equivalent, not a string. [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 17:59, 30 May 2026 (UTC)
:::::::You shouldn't be returning HTML in string-typed functions. I'm not sure, then, how we implement your proposal, actually. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 18:54, 30 May 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I tried  with [[f:Z35921]] but now the output is the literal text, and not HTML. Does anybody have an idea how to implement the text in a color?
::::::::Alternatively we could use texts like // Parys ∈ {stad} //. [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 16:51, 31 May 2026 (UTC)
::::::::: You need to output [[f:Z89|HTML fragment]], not String. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 17:16, 31 May 2026 (UTC)
:I agree with the above that this should not be applied to functions which return strings or monolingual text. If anything, it might work to insert it into functions returning HTML. The most egregious problems I've seen are when I tried to render into an RTL language (e.g. Hebrew 0 try on [[Q408]]), and it spilled all the formatting all over the article. I will revert the change to the string default at [[:f:Z33421]], but suggest it is tested carefully if implemented elsewhere. In general I prefer just marking with spans rather than colours at this stage. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 04:49, 3 June 2026 (UTC)
:: Perhaps mark with spans given a specific ID and then allow users to use a userscript/gadget to paint them magenta? That seems like the most considerate approach. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 05:12, 3 June 2026 (UTC)
:::[[:f:Z32234]] suggests something like &lt;code&gt;span lang=&quot;mul&quot;&lt;/code&gt; or similar. [[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 05:20, 3 June 2026 (UTC)
::::I will (carefully) try some other alternatives, and use a personal class in my userscript for &lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;NLG Default text&quot;&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;. [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 14:05, 4 June 2026 (UTC)
::::: If possible, can you use &lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;span lang=&quot;mul&quot;&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;? This would allow it to also catch some instances automatically. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 16:14, 4 June 2026 (UTC)
::::::I have done so, but how can I set my personal stylesheet to show color magenta with &lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;span lang=&quot;mul&quot;&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;? [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 22:20, 4 June 2026 (UTC)
::::::: try adding this to [[Special:MyPage/common.css]]:
::::::: [lang=&quot;mul&quot;] {&lt;br&gt; color: magenta;&lt;br&gt; } [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 23:48, 4 June 2026 (UTC)

: I created a new implementation for [[f:Z35921]] using emoji text, resulting in texts like &quot;❌≪Paris ∈ {city}≫❌&quot;. It works on [[Q90]] for not yet specified languages like Zeelandic. I will be bold in adding this other functions that use default texts. [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 11:26, 5 June 2026 (UTC)

== Ratification of the deletion policy proposal? ==

I haven't seen any unresolved objections to my proposal for a [[Abstract Wikipedia:Deletion policy|policy for deletion]]. Does anybody have any issues, and, if not, is it ok to ratify as an actual policy? I intend to remove the draft template and replace it with a policy template unless anyone voices any objection within a week. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 20:55, 29 May 2026 (UTC)

:Is it just me or does [[Abstract Wikipedia:Deletion policy#Reasons for deletion]] render blank with only number bullets without the actual text after ''1.'' or ''2.''? [[User:Bunnypranav|Bunnypranav]] ([[User talk:Bunnypranav|talk]]) 07:13, 30 May 2026 (UTC)
::I see text. ―[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''&lt;span style=&quot;color:black&quot;&gt;v&lt;/span&gt;f&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 07:49, 30 May 2026 (UTC)
:::I can see on my phone, but it goes blank on my laptop. What is the role of ''&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;anchor&quot; id=&quot;1&quot;&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;''? [[User:Bunnypranav|Bunnypranav]] ([[User talk:Bunnypranav|talk]]) 12:15, 30 May 2026 (UTC)
::::{{ping|Bunnypranav}} I can see the text everywhere (I tested connected and not connected, on my phone, laptop, with Chrome or Firefox ; what system do you use?). As the name suggest, the span anchor is here to create an HTML anchor, so you can do link like [[Abstract_Wikipedia:Deletion_policy#7]]. Cheers, [[User:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[User talk:VIGNERON|talk]]) 13:49, 30 May 2026 (UTC)
:::::I'm on Brave browser. Nevertheless, forget it. The culprit might be some random customization I did to my system which I cannot recollect. The reason is the span tag only though, tried a preview kicking out a text to just outside the tag and it worked. [[User:Bunnypranav|Bunnypranav]] ([[User talk:Bunnypranav|talk]]) 14:23, 30 May 2026 (UTC)
:Globally, it looks fine. I think that reasons 7 and 8 may need some examples/clarifications. There is no global consensus when it comes to creating categories. For example, categories for building interiors and exteriors. Personally, I feel that they are useful for easier discoverability. [[User:Jsamwrites|John Samuel]] ([[User:Jsamwrites|talk]]) 15:39, 30 May 2026 (UTC)
::I've copied them over from enwiki. They're probably included in &quot;content otherwise not suited for an encyclopedia.&quot; Since sysops can't speedy them, it'd be up to commenters on [[Abstract:RFD]] to determine. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 16:48, 30 May 2026 (UTC)
: Done! [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 22:33, 5 June 2026 (UTC)

== Wikifunctions &amp; Abstract Wikipedia Newsletter #250 is out: Looking back and forward ==

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== Yet another suggested function proposal ==
Perhaps it's a bit early, but can [[f:Z36049]] be added to [[MediaWiki:AbstractWikiSuggestedWikifunctions.json]]? See [[Q38726]] for an example use. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 23:54, 4 June 2026 (UTC)
: Meh. Consider this withdrawn until we know more about what we want image creation to look like. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 05:06, 5 June 2026 (UTC)

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== Questions on a simple fragment example &quot;The Eiffel Tower is a monument&quot; ==
Moved from [[f:Wikifunctions:Project chat]]

Hello.  I would like to be able to use the function [[f:Z26039]] to generate sentences like &quot;the Eiffel Tower is a monument&quot; or &quot;la torre Eiffel es un monumento&quot; in Spanish.  It already raises a lot of questions.  

Question 1: I should be able to set the first input &quot;entity&quot; to {{Q|Q243}} and the second input &quot;class&quot; to {{Q|Q4989906}} and get the correct sentence, shouldn't I?  Just checking.

Question 2: [[f:Z26039]] calls a language-specific function like &quot;Spanish article-less instantiating sentence&quot; [[f:Z26337]], which uses the label of the Wikidata item to get the text for &quot;Eiffel Tower&quot;, which is similar to the lemma of the lexeme.  But this would not be acceptable in production, would it?  The item label &quot;belongs&quot; to all Wikidata users, not to Abstract Wikipedia users, and there is no guarantee what it might contain, such as a parenthesis for disambiguation.  Or am I wrong?

Question 3a: We need to have a lexeme for the combination &quot;Eiffel Tower&quot; in each language, don't we?  For instance in languages with gender, the lexeme is the only place to find the gender.  It is true that if we know that the equivalent of &quot;Tower&quot; is the head word, syntactical information can be found under the lexeme for &quot;tower&quot;, and it would be good to use a system like that.  But the only place that the syntactic dependency information could be located is under the lexeme.  

Question 3b: At present for [[f:Z26039]] etc. to work, we have to add any forms or syntax information to the lexeme of the whole phrase, such as &quot;Eiffel Tower&quot;.  But property {{Q|P5238}} with attributes {{Q|P9763}} and {{Q|P9764}} can be used to define the structure and avoid duplicating the syntax information.  What lexeme would be used for &quot;Eiffel&quot; in this case?  Would it be the same as a lexeme for {{Q|Q20882}}?  That makes no sense to me.  I propose that there should be a dummy lexeme in each language which could be added to {{Q|P5238}} instead of a real lexeme to mean &quot;invariant element&quot;.

Question 4: As has already been pointed out elsewhere, the fragment functions do not work well with the initial definite article in languages like English, Spanish and German.  Examples:

* &quot;'''The Eiffel Tower is a monument.'''&quot;  The item label &quot;Eiffel Tower&quot; omits the article and so the result omits the initial &quot;The&quot; in English.  French, Spanish and German are similar.  
* &quot;'''The Sun is a star.'''&quot;  Similarly the article is wrongly omitted, also in French, Spanish and German.
* &quot;'''Westminster Abbey is a monument.'''&quot;  This is OK in English and German as no article is needed, but not in French or Spanish where it is, for instance &quot;La Abadía de Westminster es un monumento&quot;. 
* &quot;'''Latin is a dead language.'''&quot;  Also this is OK in English and German but not in French or Spanish, where an article is needed.
* &quot;'''Jupiter is a planet.'''&quot;.  This does not need an article and is OK in all the languages; I include this to show that you cannot assume that there is an article in all cases in French and Spanish.

How should the language functions find out whether an article is needed?  In some cases, where the lemma is a phrase like &quot;Abadía de Westminster&quot; in Spanish, I think that it could be deduced, but in general there is no rule to give the answer.  Using different rendering functions according to the case is '''not''' a solution, although it might work for a few specific languages like these four.  It would not be acceptable because there will be many, many other cases of syntactical choices to be made for all the different languages, and we cannot expect the person writing the abstract code to take them all into account.  So I suppose that a declaration in the lexeme is needed to solve this problem.  I suppose that there must already be linguistic terminology for this problem, but I don't know it.

I would be grateful for any comments on any of these questions. [[User:Strobilomyces|Strobilomyces]] ([[User talk:Strobilomyces|talk]]) 15:02, 5 June 2026 (UTC)

:@[[User:Strobilomyces|Strobilomyces]] I will try to answer a few of your questions, although I am not linguist. 
::@[[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] Thanks for your answer.  I will add my comments in your answers below. [[User:Strobilomyces|Strobilomyces]] ([[User talk:Strobilomyces|talk]]) 18:42, 9 June 2026 (UTC)
:1. Yes I agree the correct inputs for &quot;entity&quot; is {{Q|243}} and the second input &quot;class&quot; is {{Q|4989906}}.
:2. In case no lexeme information is needed (for gender or so) the Wikidata label of {{Q|243}} should be OK. Labels in Wikidata don't contain parentheses for disambiguation. For instance there are many cities called Amsterdam like {{Q|478456}}. {{Q|959016}} and {{Q|727}}
:: Well I sometimes add disambiguation parentheses in the case of taxonomic items, for instance I use the label &quot;Sphaerodes (fungus)&quot; because the genus name ''Sphaerodes'' is both a fungus and an insect. As far as I know, it is allowed to add a parenthesis like this to the label.  When selecting the item this is not needed, since the description is also visible, but when looking at the genus name on the page, one would not be able to tell whether the link goes to the fungus or the insect, and sometimes such links get muddled up.  If there should be a rule that the label must be the same as the lemma text, then I think that needs to be agreed and publicized.
:3a. In case gender is needed, for example for gender for La Abadía de Westminster I think we need lexemes
:: Yes, so it seems to me that this means that for languages like French and German, every single item needs a lexeme.  On the other hand, in a separate conversation it was suggested to me that genders might be established programmatically, and the lexeme would only be needed in exceptional cases.  This seems to require an architecture which is different from what I was expecting, and certainly not available at present for the fragment examples (surely the logic will be too complicated for composition code alone).  Even in English, many items may need to be used in the plural; the rendering function will need to find the plural of the given item.  It can execute a heuristic function (add &quot;s&quot;, change &quot;y&quot; to &quot;ies&quot;, etc.), and a lexeme is only needed if the label word is &quot;irregular&quot;.  But note that it has to query the lexeme every single time to see if one exists, in which case it must take precedence.
:3b. I don't know what you mean, so I can't answer that.
::It is a detailed question about how to fill in the attributes of {{Q|P5238}}.
:4. You are right some examples like Sun is a star&quot; are incorrect and need an article for some languages/some lemmma. I don't know if there is a linguistic terminology or Lexeme property that would indicate it needs an initial definite article.
:::Yes.  In fact, the strange thing for me is rather that in encyclopedia entries, the article is omitted in the article heading.  For instance, in the examples above if the English labels were given as &quot;The Eiffel Tower&quot; and &quot;The Sun&quot;, and similarly in the other languages, the fragment examples would work and where would be the problem?  In paper encyclopedias, this would mean that many entries would come together under &quot;The&quot;.  Anyway, I don't think this can be changed and so a property is needed.  I would have thought that the property would have to be on a lexeme object.
:: On {{Q|727}} in English the noun Netherlands has an additional &quot;the&quot; in English. This is added by [[f:Z32645]] item indicates definite article, English. Functions should be created for each language, and added to the appropriate sentences. [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 11:58, 9 June 2026 (UTC)
:::Oh, Z32645 is interesting.  The two implementations are very different, aren't they?  The function doesn't work for &quot;Eiffel Tower&quot;, but the first implementation could do if &quot;the Eiffel Tower&quot; were an alias.  That could be instead of the lexeme property(?)  But if we are imposing conventions like that, I suppose we need to talk to other Wikidata users.

:Even for western languages there are a lot of different rules; What about the many other languages in the world. All this makes it a real challenge. [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 22:04, 8 June 2026 (UTC)
::Yes, I think it is an extreme challenge, especially withou being able to call external functions in Python etc.  Surely this is too complicated for composition?  Thanks again for your answers. [[User:Strobilomyces|Strobilomyces]] ([[User talk:Strobilomyces|talk]]) 18:42, 9 June 2026 (UTC)

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== Why don't we just structure this with wikitemplates? ==

I feel like the project could be done a lot better by using templates kind of like how wikipedia does them. Just the entire thing is templates that can be rendered in many languages. So like [[Q106289265]] would have the content &lt;nowiki&gt;{{Z26039|Q7257}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; and could even have some aliasing done across languages so it could be &lt;nowiki&gt;{{subject is|Q7257}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;. Code would be editable with a regular visual editor or code editor. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 04:34, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

:This is available in pages when Parsoid rendering is enabled. We don't use this becuase it doesn't make sense for constructing and editing massive articles. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 21:37, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::How do you do parsoid rendering? And why wouldn't it make sense? With aliases and everything could work great. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 23:12, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I believe it is enabled by default. If you do have it on: {{#function:Z10000|you'll s|ee this}} [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 14:54, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:you may be interested in reading this old [[m:Abstract_Wikipedia/Google.org_Fellows_evaluation|Google report]].  [[User:BrokenSegue|BrokenSegue]] ([[User talk:BrokenSegue|talk]]) 14:32, 9 May 2026 (UTC)

== Why the editing API doesn't work ==
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Immanuelle wrongly stated that there is no REST API for editing. [[#REST API for editing?|There is]]. However, it does not work when called from software outside Abstract Wikipedia. That is because there is no way to grant a bot password or OAuth customer the permission to edit abstract articles (&lt;code&gt;wikilambda-abstract-edit&lt;/code&gt;) and create them (&lt;code&gt;wikilambda-abstract-create&lt;/code&gt;), since no grant on [[Special:ListGrants]] includes either. Should this be fixed? [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]&lt;sub&gt;[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]&lt;sub&gt;[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;/sub&gt; ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 01:57, 26 April 2026 (UTC)

:Yes I think the rights should be added. I think the number of automated edits should be low at the moment as Abstract Wikipedia is still in an early phase and so far there is not much support for small languages and so many functions will maybe change to cover more languages. As automatic editing using a Bot Account requires an formal request it is no problem if the option exists. [[User:Hogü-456|Hogü-456]] ([[User talk:Hogü-456|talk]]) 18:17, 26 April 2026 (UTC)
:Sounds good to me. Could we add a bot section to [[Abstract Wikipedia:Requests for permissions]]? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 23:35, 5 May 2026 (UTC)
::[[Abstract_Wikipedia:Requests_for_permissions#Bot]] ―[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''&lt;span style=&quot;color:black&quot;&gt;v&lt;/span&gt;f&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 23:56, 5 May 2026 (UTC)

:not currently possible :((((( [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 14:46, 30 April 2026 (UTC)
:Feeglgeef is correct, past tense sentence generation is something we are sorely lacking at the moment. If you look at [[f:WF:Type proposals#Representing abstract content|Wikifunctions' type proposals]] you can see some initiatives that could hopefully mitigate this. &amp;mdash; [[User:Theki|rae&lt;sup&gt;5e&lt;/sup&gt;]] &amp;lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&amp;gt; 13:49, 1 May 2026 (UTC)

== Spaces between sentences, another attempt ==

[[Abstract Wikipedia:Project chat#Extra spaces between sentences|A month ago]], @[[User:内存溢出的猫|内存溢出的猫]]&lt;ref group=&quot;spaces3&gt;According to Google Translate, it's pronounced &quot;Nèicún yìchū de māo&quot;. Please correct me if it's wrong. When I write, I want to know how are things that I write pronounced aloud, and very unfortunately, I never learned to read Chinese characters, and even if I did, most English speakers probably didn't. Come to think of it, is there a function that ''reliably'' transliterates Chinese characters?&lt;/ref&gt; That discussion doesn't seem to have yielded any fixes or meaningful discussions, at least not that I can see.

[[Abstract Wikipedia:Project chat#Spaces between sentences|Two weeks ago]], I tried to bring up a similar topic, but that discussion somehow got derailed and also didn't yield anything useful.

Now, the problem looks differently, but it's still a problem. When I look at [[Q10251]], for example, what I see is four sentences that ''appear'' with ''no'' spaces between them. Not one, not two—none at all. It looks like this:
:Plasma is a fundamental state of matter.Plasma is a classical state of matter.A plasma is a gas.A plasma is a matter.

Note that I emphasized ''appear'': When I see them rendered on the screen, they have no spaces between them. In the HTML, however, they are represented as four &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;s, and their inline positioning is handled by CSS. This means, for example, that if I copy and paste them, I don't get a long string with no spaces after full stops, but four sentences with a single line break after each full stop:

&lt;poem&gt;
Plasma is a fundamental state of matter.
Plasma is a classical state of matter.
A plasma is a gas.
A plasma is a matter.
&lt;/poem&gt;

This is not how it is supposed to be done. &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;s are supposed to be used for block elements and not hacked into appearing as if they are inline (also known as phrasing). Spaces between sentences are supposed to be real characters rather than HTML and CSS tricks, they may be different in different languages, and in some languages they may be nothing at all.

I hope that the definition of the problem is clear.

&lt;references group=&quot;spaces3&quot;&gt;&lt;/references&gt; [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 12:49, 2 May 2026 (UTC)
:Hi, have a look at it [[Special:PermanentLink/7132|now]]. Does this match your expectations? I think it's not rendering right now for whatever reason, but there are other examples of it being done this way that you can see: [[Q241691]]. The article renders properly in both English (spaces between sentences) and Japanese (no spaces at all).
:
:'''English:'''
:&lt;blockquote&gt;Programmed Data Processor is a computer model series by Digital Equipment Corporation. PDP-8 is a Programmed Data Processor.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
:'''Japanese:'''
:&lt;blockquote&gt;PDPシリーズはディジタル・イクイップメント・コーポレーションによるコンピュータ・モデル・シリーズである。PDP-8はPDPシリーズである。&lt;/blockquote&gt;
:
:I have some, err, strong opinions about [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]]'s 「Abstract Wikipedia Editor」 tool, which is the predominant cause for all of these very janky and poorly-laid-out articles that you see. This is not how an article ought to be written on Abstract Wikipedia, and I and other editors are aware of this. If you see these problems, please do fix them! The wiki will be all the better for it.
:
:In the absence of consensus on such things as these (and awaiting any official policy pages) I have written [[f:User:Theki/best practices]] on my Wikifunctions userpage. You are welcome to read it if you wish. &amp;mdash; [[User:Theki|rae&lt;sup&gt;5e&lt;/sup&gt;]] &amp;lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&amp;gt; 17:20, 2 May 2026 (UTC)
::The output of [[Q241691]] looks OK to me in this regard. How was it done?
::[[Q10251]] gives me an error. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 18:10, 2 May 2026 (UTC)
:::WikiLambda is doing WikiLambda things. This WASI time limit error happens intermittently on Abstract Wikipedia articles and it usually goes away after a short while. The only thing is that it doesn't really seem like purging these articles does anything to force the orchestrator to retry its evaluation so the article might not render that paragraph until someone comes in and pokes at it by editing it somehow.
:::
:::The working article uses the [[f:Z33068|''paragraph from sentences'']] function to lay out its individual sentence content. This function automatically handles converting any and all text-like objects (strings, HTML fragments, and monolingual text) to a consistent form, so sentence fragments can all be supplied verbatim to its list input. When the function is putting the sentences together it defaults to using a single space to separate them, but first checks if the requested language is in the [[f:Z33984|''languages without spaces between sentences'']] list. If it is, it doesn't add spaces at all, and just concatenates the sentences normally. I hope this explanation makes sense. &amp;mdash; [[User:Theki|rae&lt;sup&gt;5e&lt;/sup&gt;]] &amp;lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&amp;gt; 18:19, 2 May 2026 (UTC)
::::It makes some sense, but earlier, you suggested: &quot;If you see these problems, please do fix them&quot;, and I'm not entirely sure how to do it. How would I fix it in [[Q100]], for example? [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 19:41, 2 May 2026 (UTC)
:::::In this case you would do the following:
:::::# At the bottom, click the plus and then 「Add empty fragment」.
:::::# Set the function to [[f:Z33068]], as mentioned earlier.
:::::# Now go through each sentence fragment, find the innermost sentence-generation function, click on the three dots, and copy it. Do not copy the calls to [[f:Z29749]] or similar, these are not necessary.
:::::# Go to the ''paragraph with sentences'' function call and add an element to the list.
:::::# Click on the three dots next to the new element, and paste in the earlier sentence fragment.
:::::# You can now delete the original fragment and repeat the process in the same list for the one after it.
:::::&amp;mdash; [[User:Theki|rae&lt;sup&gt;5e&lt;/sup&gt;]] &amp;lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&amp;gt; 19:46, 2 May 2026 (UTC)
::@[[User:Theki|Theki]] I intend on fixing it, I recently made an attempt but the suggested fixes made problems worse. Do you have any practical suggestions of how to structure the templates? I will try to implement them when I have more time.
::Also your name is very confusing, are you in the process of getting it changed wiki-wide?  [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 22:36, 2 May 2026 (UTC)
:::Um, are you referring to my signature not matching my wiki username? I have considered for a long time changing it from ''theki'', but I don't feel like putting in the effort when it seems to be perfectly ignorable for most people. The user 「''Rae''」 can't be usurped because they made, like, two or three articles on the Persian Wikipedia two decades ago or something, I don't know. If that weren't the case I would be User:Rae right now but after that failed to go through I just decided to stop bothering. Maybe at some point I'll come up with a username I'm happy with keeping for the foreseeable future but I have other concerns at the moment.
:::Could you explain how your attempted fixes 「made problems worse」? Presently I side with Feeglgeef's sentiments and prefer to wait for abstract content to actually be feasible to make on a reasonably descriptive scale (see: the type proposals) before I go around making articles willy-nilly, which is what AWE has been doing—making a bunch of pretty low-quality articles on a massive scale when it probably ''really'' would have been better to, err, hold off on that.
:::And I honestly know very little about the actual workings of your editor, I don't really use it nor am I familiar with its template syntax or whatever it may use, so I'm going to look over how it actually works and then get back to you on that. &amp;mdash; [[User:Theki|rae&lt;sup&gt;5e&lt;/sup&gt;]] &amp;lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&amp;gt; 23:28, 2 May 2026 (UTC)
::::Using this [[f:Z33068]] made things worse [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 00:44, 3 May 2026 (UTC)
:::::That did not go through correctly but I do not think we have a proper thing for it. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 00:45, 3 May 2026 (UTC)
::::::What? Could you elaborate? &amp;mdash; [[User:Theki|rae&lt;sup&gt;5e&lt;/sup&gt;]] &amp;lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&amp;gt; 01:00, 3 May 2026 (UTC)
::::::{{ping|Immanuelle}} I checked. Your issue is that your editor is not providing the article language to Z33068K2; that is, the ''paragraph from sentences'' function has a second argument, and your editor was omitting it. If you properly specify it, it will work. Please, next time, actually tell me what went wrong instead of going quiet and forcing me to look after it myself. &amp;mdash; [[User:Theki|rae&lt;sup&gt;5e&lt;/sup&gt;]] &amp;lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&amp;gt; 17:06, 4 May 2026 (UTC)

:I avoid [[f:Z33068]] for now, because executing a whole paragraph in a single call would often time out. So my current alternative is inserting [[f:Z35672]] between sentences. Fairly clunky, but it works... --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 06:08, 28 May 2026 (UTC)
::Can you categorize the talk pages of articles you're doing that with? It has major accessibility concerns for our friends using screen readers, so it'd be nice to be able to find those with issues when were able to fix the calls [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 21:50, 28 May 2026 (UTC)
:::I think the new tool can show us this (via dumps). For example, here are the uses of 'paragraph': https://abstract-data.toolforge.org/zid/Z32123 --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 23:07, 28 May 2026 (UTC)
::::There's more than one way to not use spaces correctly and more than one way to use spaces correctly, this wouldn't catch all of them. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 23:13, 28 May 2026 (UTC)
:::::I'm not totally sure what you want to track, but I'm confident that this will find all my uses. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 02:10, 29 May 2026 (UTC)
::::I think it slipped past everyone's notice, but I made a template for linking to that sort of information @ [[Template:Zd|&lt;nowiki&gt;{{&lt;/nowiki&gt;zd&lt;nowiki&gt;}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;]]. {{zd|Z35672|sentence separator}} &lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller;opacity:0.8&quot;&gt;(I don't think the database dumps have noticed the function you're using yet, so it's a 404 at the moment.)&lt;/span&gt; &amp;mdash; [[User:Theki|rae&lt;sup&gt;5e&lt;/sup&gt;]] &amp;lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&amp;gt; 01:09, 29 May 2026 (UTC)

===Easier solution?===
Maybe a much easier solution would be to replace the &quot;.&quot; after each sentence with &quot;. &quot; (a full stop and a space).  The paragraghs might add an extra space, but that is displayed as one by the browser. [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]])

==Wiktionary integration==
I was trying out a few functions recently, such as [https://www.wikifunctions.org/view/en/Z27243 the new superlative function], and I noticed that ''every adjective'' has to be a Wikidata item.  For example, I couldn't type in the inputs &quot;Bugatti Veyron&quot;, &quot;fast&quot;, &quot;Earth&quot; because &quot;fast&quot; as an adjective is not a Wikidata item.  This doesn't really make sense, given that Wiktionary already has the word for &quot;fast&quot; and its superlative form in many different languages.  Would it be possible to integrate Wiktionary into the function, so the user can type an adjective or verb from Wiktionary instead of having to deal with Wikidata (which consists almost entirely of nouns)?  [[User:Somepinkdude|Somepinkdude]] ([[User talk:Somepinkdude|talk]]) 16:49, 6 May 2026 (UTC)

:No, sadly. I would try &quot;speed&quot; as the adjective, though, you have to use abstract qualities instead of concrete English terms. [[File:Wikifunctions Superlative speed example.png|thumb|Here's an example of the word being used.]]  [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 18:02, 6 May 2026 (UTC)
:Wikidata has standard items as well as lexeme data, so if anything, we should try to integrate those. E.g. [[:d:Lexeme:L1029]]. ―[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''&lt;span style=&quot;color:black&quot;&gt;v&lt;/span&gt;f&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 19:48, 6 May 2026 (UTC)
::I tried this, and it gave &quot;Bugatti Veyron is the speedest car on Earth&quot;, which is laughably bad.  The problem is that Wikidata does not &quot;know&quot; what the superlative form is, while Wiktionary does.  Speed is a fairly common descriptor, but what about less common adjectives which aren't on Wikidata?  Will there need to be a bot to copy all of this information from Wiktionary?  [[User:Somepinkdude|Somepinkdude]] ([[User talk:Somepinkdude|talk]]) 22:14, 6 May 2026 (UTC)
:::I'm not suggesting that the functionality works &lt;em&gt;now&lt;/em&gt;, but that we need to integrate the funcationality. ―[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''&lt;span style=&quot;color:black&quot;&gt;v&lt;/span&gt;f&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 22:17, 6 May 2026 (UTC)
:::Well, no, the superlative form is chosen by [[f:Z12203]]. I think there's a bug with the English implementation that calls that function wrong.  [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 22:19, 6 May 2026 (UTC)
:@[[User:Somepinkdude|Somepinkdude]] I did find the item {{Q|Q19807466}} which was linked to a concept database's entry for &quot;fast&quot;; I have at least linked it to the English lexeme &quot;fast&quot; and will try to add more links at a better hour. [[User:Mahir256|Mahir256]] ([[User talk:Mahir256|talk]]) 04:18, 7 May 2026 (UTC)

== Showcase ==

I was wondering if there's a curated list of decent articles to learn by example here on Abstract Wikipedia? [[User:Fgnievinski|Fgnievinski]] ([[User talk:Fgnievinski|talk]]) 02:02, 8 May 2026 (UTC)

:Unfortunately not, and, honestly, I wouldn't recommend article creation at the moment, it's likely to need significant refactoring as the way we represent abstract content changes, but, I can point you to [[Q668]] as a reasonably good example at the moment. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 02:39, 8 May 2026 (UTC)
::Thank you. &quot;308 languages&quot; blew my mind – well done! [[User:Fgnievinski|Fgnievinski]] ([[User talk:Fgnievinski|talk]]) 02:54, 8 May 2026 (UTC)
:::308 is the number of ''concrete'' Wikipedias in which a manually-written article about India is available.
:::The abstract article renders for me in English as &quot;India is a country in Asia. India is a republic. New Delhi is the capital of India. India is the most populous country in world.&quot; Switching to another language to get rendered as an abstract article is done by typing the language's name in the box above the rendered text. I tried French, German, and Dutch, and got errors in all of them. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 03:12, 8 May 2026 (UTC)
::::So it goes. The paragraph has quite a lot of distinct sentence generation functions, all of which of course have to be implemented in the target language. This will be rounded out once we're able to more effectively generalize linguistic content. I view these functions as sort of patchy temporary solutions to the sentence generation problem while we figure out something more robust, which I hope is soon to come. &amp;mdash; [[User:Theki|rae&lt;sup&gt;5e&lt;/sup&gt;]] &amp;lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&amp;gt; 04:15, 8 May 2026 (UTC)

== Wikifunctions &amp; Abstract Wikipedia Newsletter #247 is out: References from Wikidata now available ==

There is [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-05-08|a new update]] for Abstract Wikipedia and Wikifunctions. Please, come and read it!

In this issue, we announce that is now possible to pass references in Wikidata statements, we introduce the [https://abstract-data.toolforge.org/ Abstract Data dashboard], we report you on the presentation about Abstract Wikipedia at WikiCon Australia, and we take a look at the latest software developments.

Want to catch up with the previous updates? Check [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates|our archive]]!

Also, we remind you that if you have questions or ideas to discuss, the next '''Volunteers' Corner''' will be held on '''[https://zonestamp.toolforge.org/1778520600 May 11, at 17:30 UTC]''' ([https://meet.google.com/xuy-njxh-rkw link to the meeting]).

Enjoy the reading! -- [[User:Sannita (WMF)|User:Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 11:16, 8 May 2026 (UTC)
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== about the usage of Z33068 ==

The use of [[f:Z33068]] (en: paragraph from sentences) &lt;s&gt;always&lt;/s&gt; most of the time results in the error &quot;Reached time limit in orchestrator.&quot; So should it be used at all for now, temporarily? Or maybe there are already some tickets about this that I am not aware of? -- [[User:Asked42|Asked42]] ([[User talk:Asked42|talk]]) 18:23, 10 May 2026 (UTC)

:It previously worked, so I'm hoping whatever the issue is will be fixed soon. The current state of the wiki makes [[m:Immediatism|immediatism]] an illogical philosophy to have at the moment, in my opinion. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 20:16, 10 May 2026 (UTC)
::This issue seems to no longer exist, you might need to clear the cache by making a dummy edit on affected articles. I implemented the function in Python (instead of composition), which has increased the speed by about 2000 ms. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 04:31, 11 May 2026 (UTC)
:::Seems like working. Thank you. -- [[User:Asked42|Asked42]] ([[User talk:Asked42|talk]]) 19:06, 11 May 2026 (UTC)

== Manual of Style ==

I've created a [[Abstract Wikipedia:Manual of Style|draft for a Manual of Style]]. Please feel free to comment on or make bold edits to the page. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 03:29, 11 May 2026 (UTC)

:Thank you! That’s great and I’ll look at it more soon. I’m still taking a bit of a wikibreak.  [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 22:32, 14 May 2026 (UTC)
:Is there anything I've written [[f:User:Theki/best_practices#Abstract_Wikipedia|here]] that you think would make for a good technical section of the page? &amp;mdash; [[User:Theki|rae&lt;sup&gt;5e&lt;/sup&gt;]] &amp;lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&amp;gt; 00:04, 15 May 2026 (UTC)
::I've added some of them. Thank you for your list of best practices by the way, I generally agree with them (I can't endorse connecting WD items currently in hope of a better technical solution, but otherwise I do). [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 00:58, 15 May 2026 (UTC)

== Proposals on the architecture of Abstract Content rendering ==

Starting from a discussion born on the Wikifunctions Telegram chat, I've explained two different proposals on how the NLG on Abstract Wikipedia should be organized in the page [[User:Dv103/Abstract articles architectures]]. Please come to contribute to the discussion, or to propose alternatives. [[User:Dv103|Dv103]] ([[User talk:Dv103|talk]]) 14:32, 11 May 2026 (UTC)

== [[MediaWiki:Wikimedia-copyright-footer]] ==

The copyright message has a few issues, mainly that it does not address abstract content (which is not &quot;text&quot;), nor object labels (which are under CC0). Proposed text:

&quot;&lt;nowiki&gt;
Text and abstract content are available under the [https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/ Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License]; the labels of objects from [[f:|Wikifunctions]] are available under the [https://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/ Creative Commons CC0 License]; additional terms may apply. See [https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Policy:Terms_of_Use Terms of Use] for details.
&lt;/nowiki&gt;&quot;

Which, when rendered, looks like: 

Text and abstract content are available under the [https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/ Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License]; the labels of objects from [[f:|Wikifunctions]] are available under the [https://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/ Creative Commons CC0 License]; additional terms may apply. See [https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Policy:Terms_of_Use Terms of Use] for details.

The message is somewhat inspired by the current one and WF's. Thoughts? Thank you! [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 13:30, 12 May 2026 (UTC)

:@[[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]]: As you probably imagine, this text is very tightly controlled by the Wikimedia Foundation's Legal department. I think the first port of call should be a discussion about why you might want to change things, rather than a rush to specific re-wordings, before approaching them for sign-off. [[User:Jdforrester (WMF)|Jdforrester (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Jdforrester (WMF)|talk]]) 14:28, 12 May 2026 (UTC)
::Well I briefly summarized my justification, my proposed text was just an idea for a starting point. Basically, the abstract content is not really &quot;text&quot;, so the footer doesn't actually tell the reader what they're allowed to do with it, and I argue that the current wording implies that the labels are licensed under CC-BY-SA 4, when they aren't. I think a change is critical as otherwise we're not showing the reader a license, or, arguably, in the case of labels, showing users a license that ''does not apply'', which is a pretty bad thing. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 14:51, 12 May 2026 (UTC)

== [[MediaWiki:AbstractWikiSuggestedWikifunctions.json]] ==

I'd think we should add [[f:Z33068]] here. The function allows you to form a paragraph out of sentences and handles languages having different standards of whether to add a space between them, and adding it here would make finding it easier. I'm not sure what policy we want to have for the suggested functions, this idea might help formulate it. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 16:06, 12 May 2026 (UTC)

:[[User:Jdforrester (WMF)]] tells me the page has been changed to [[Special:CommunityConfiguration/AbstractWikiSuggestedWikifunctions]] on the telegram. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 16:25, 12 May 2026 (UTC)
::@[[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]]: Yup, see the weekly update on [[f:Wikifunctions:Status_updates/2026-05-02|2026-05-02]]. [[User:Jdforrester (WMF)|Jdforrester (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Jdforrester (WMF)|talk]]) 16:35, 12 May 2026 (UTC)
:I also believe Z33068 should be added to the list. &amp;mdash; [[User:Theki|rae&lt;sup&gt;5e&lt;/sup&gt;]] &amp;lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&amp;gt; 17:25, 12 May 2026 (UTC)

{{done}} see [[Special:Diff/7692]]. Cheers, [[User:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[User talk:VIGNERON|talk]]) 09:08, 20 May 2026 (UTC)

== Abstract Wikipedia statistics site source code ==

https://abstract-data.toolforge.org/ is a very useful tool, but it doesn't seem to have anything pointing to the location of its source code. Is it closed-source or unfree?

While I'm at it I feel I should suggest having language pages' paths formatted differently from how they are currently—at the moment it's &lt;code&gt;/languages/Toki%20Pona&lt;/code&gt; when something like &lt;code&gt;/languages/tok&lt;/code&gt; would be more suitable. &amp;mdash; [[User:Theki|rae&lt;sup&gt;5e&lt;/sup&gt;]] &amp;lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&amp;gt;
: See [[:gitlab:toolforge-repos/abstract-data]]. Also pinging {{ping|DSantamaria-WMF|p=}} (thanks for the tool, by the way). [[User:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|&lt;span class=&quot;skin-invert&quot; style=&quot;color:black;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:110%;font-weight:normal;line-height:normal&quot;&gt;NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh&lt;/span&gt;]] 00:25, 13 May 2026 (UTC)
::Thank you. I think a link to that repository should be put in a footer somewhere on the website as I wouldn't have found that if not for you. &amp;mdash; [[User:Theki|rae&lt;sup&gt;5e&lt;/sup&gt;]] &amp;lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&amp;gt; 02:30, 13 May 2026 (UTC)
:::{{ping|Theki}} For the record, I found that repo by searching for &quot;abstract-data&quot; on [[:toolhub:|Toolhub]]. [[User:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|&lt;span class=&quot;skin-invert&quot; style=&quot;color:black;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:110%;font-weight:normal;line-height:normal&quot;&gt;NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh&lt;/span&gt;]] 03:34, 13 May 2026 (UTC)
:::Thanks for the feedback and the report, fixed both things, we have now the link to the repo in the side bar footer, and also the language codes are used in the URLs. Thanks! [[User:DSantamaria-WMF|DSantamaria-WMF]] ([[User talk:DSantamaria-WMF|talk]]) 11:46, 13 May 2026 (UTC)
::::Are you particularly attached to keeping country flag emojis next to the language names? Some consider it an [https://flagsarenotlanguages.com/blog anti-pattern]. [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 16:17, 14 May 2026 (UTC)
:::::I think the use of flags is not really harmful since this is not a ''language selector'', it is just a list of languages. Of course not every language has an associated flag, for example Latin, which does look a bit awkward, but it can't be helped. Maybe give languages without a flag a unique icon from Wikimedia Commons? e.g. &lt;div style=&quot;display:inline-flex;align-items:center;border:1px solid #0002;border-radius:4px;gap:4px;padding:4px;&quot;&gt;[[File:Toki pona.svg|16px]] Toki Pona&lt;/div&gt; instead of &lt;div style=&quot;display:inline-flex;align-items:center;border:1px solid #0002;border-radius:4px;gap:4px;padding:4px;&quot;&gt;&lt;span&gt;🌐&lt;/span&gt;Toki Pona&lt;/div&gt;. &amp;mdash; [[User:Theki|rae&lt;sup&gt;5e&lt;/sup&gt;]] &amp;lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&amp;gt; 16:37, 14 May 2026 (UTC)
::::::I thought I saw 🏛️ being used for Latin earlier. But of course, as far as the Unicode Consortium is concerned, [[Q65300415|🇬🇧]] doesn't mean '[[Q1680|English]]', no more than [[Q100587670|🏳️‍🌈]] means '[[Q1359130|Polari]]'; technically, it doesn't even mean '[[Q145|United Kingdom]]', just the letters 🇺 and 🇰 next to each other (which linguistically would indicate [[Q8798|Ukrainian]] in ISO 639, but these are 'regional indicator symbols'). [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 17:21, 14 May 2026 (UTC)
:::::::As seems (from this comment and also [[f:User_talk:DSantamaria-WMF#c-%E9%AD%94%E7%90%B4-20260513063700-Country_flags_in_abstract-data|others' comments]]) that flags are a little bit controversial, I just removed them, IMHO it was just an aesthetic concept, I like the look and feel that flags bring to the language labels, but happy to remove them if make some people feel uncomfortable with the concept.  [[User:DSantamaria-WMF|DSantamaria-WMF]] ([[User talk:DSantamaria-WMF|talk]]) 05:54, 15 May 2026 (UTC)

== Make it more user Friendly ==

Make it more user-friendly by adding drag-and-drop compenots and one click additions, and make it similar to a visual macro buidler. [[User:ChippyTechGH|ChippyTechGH]] ([[User talk:ChippyTechGH|talk]]) 01:00, 15 May 2026 (UTC)

:Could you file something like this on [[phab:|phabricator]]? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 01:01, 15 May 2026 (UTC)

== Person infoboxes ==

Hi all, I've just created [[f:Z35167|infobox for person (Z35167)]]. All it can really do presently is display the name of the person in the chosen language and in the person's native language, but it's a good start. I started writing it as a composition but chose to switch to writing it in JavaScript instead, which ended up being less headache-inducing (managing a large list of strings to concatenate together is not fun, plus compositions bring lots of additional overhead). Unfortunately, this means that the actual ''useful'' parts of the infobox—the information about the person themself—is not really doable. I'd need to dereference the Wikidata property references to get their label in the requested language, but since they're references and I'm working with code, not compositions, I can't just call [[f:Z6822|fetch Wikidata property (Z6822)]] and be done with it. If there's a WikiLambda API to do this inside of the JS itself that would be great and would solve everything, but at the moment that alone is what's holding it back, or so it seems. I can get the actual ''values'' of statements just fine, though. If I am missing some amazing WikiLambda API function that will solve this problem for me by letting me dereference the PID, then please let me know because that would be great.

If you want to look at an example of the infobox right meow, you can view [https://abstract.wikipedia.org/view/tok/Q317521 Q317521 in Toki Pona] and see how it states Musk's name in both Toki Pona ''and'' his native English name. COOL!

My hope is that this can be made less barebones in the near future. Infoboxes are a great way to get quick information on a subject and can fill in the informational gaps in the presently sparse articles we have at the moment, all while staying in the user's requested language. Feedback is appreciated! &amp;mdash; [[User:Theki|rae&lt;sup&gt;5e&lt;/sup&gt;]] &amp;lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&amp;gt; 02:58, 15 May 2026 (UTC)

:Thank you for this! I wonder if perhaps it would be better to create one &quot;infobox&quot; function and then have compositions call that, making wd retrival possible? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 03:38, 15 May 2026 (UTC)
::Working on that at the moment, I think I've got it working but I'm hitting a ratelimit in the orchestrator so I don't know for sure. The main issue with it now is that the actual [[f:Z35175|infobox template (Z35175)]] wrapper was programmed in JS so as to not be a pain in the ass, so this means that it can only take in strings, HTML fragments, etc. so the retrieval of Wikidata stuff still needs to be done by the caller and is rather verbose (see [[f:Z35168|the main implementation]]). The niceties will come soon later once I know that it all works at a lower level, though. &amp;mdash; [[User:Theki|rae&lt;sup&gt;5e&lt;/sup&gt;]] &amp;lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&amp;gt; 05:04, 15 May 2026 (UTC)
::So the problem now seems to be that when [[f:Z29825|label of Wikidata property in language (Z29825)]] isn't being faulty, it's being incredibly slow. Considering retrieving Wikidata items from their references seems to take, like, four to five seconds, and we'll have tens of statements in these infoboxes, I don't see how the property names could be retrieved in a way that doesn't cause the orchestrator to time out or hit a ratelimit. &amp;mdash; [[User:Theki|rae&lt;sup&gt;5e&lt;/sup&gt;]] &amp;lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&amp;gt; 06:01, 15 May 2026 (UTC)
:::I think I figured something out? I'm just going to try calling [[f:Z35036|fetch Wikidata property or parts (Z35036)]], it seems to be much faster for whatever reason. &amp;mdash; [[User:Theki|rae&lt;sup&gt;5e&lt;/sup&gt;]] &amp;lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&amp;gt; 06:05, 15 May 2026 (UTC)
:::It works now, a little rough around the edges, also very slow, but I think I'm mostly happy with it. Of course it would be great if all you needed to provide to the template function to get a label-statement row was the property reference itself, but I'm too sleep-deprived to figure that out at the moment. I made five bespoke functions specifically for this infobox, more than I would like, but it's probably not ''that'' bad. I'm just hoping I didn't duplicate any functionality in trying to make the composition less verbose and repetitive. &amp;mdash; [[User:Theki|rae&lt;sup&gt;5e&lt;/sup&gt;]] &amp;lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&amp;gt; 07:15, 15 May 2026 (UTC)

== Wikifunctions &amp; Abstract Wikipedia Newsletter #248 is out: A higher meaning ==

There is [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-05-15|a new update]] for Abstract Wikipedia and Wikifunctions. Please, come and read it!

In this issue, we discuss functions creating language fragments, we present our latest news in Types, and we take a look at the latest software developments.

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== Translations ==

Yes, this question is probably easily answerable through a Web search, but I thought I'd ask here anyways. I am unfortunately not bilingual... I know Toki Pona, but it's a constructed language. I'd love to be a polyglot of some sorts but that is a future thing. I've been trying to translate pages into tok, for funsies mostly.

At any rate, I want to convert some of the un-translated pages, namely Feeglgeef's policy drafts, into ones that can be translated (and then translate them into Toki Pona of course). I think I have to be a translation administrator for this? Which is a process that I'd have to ''apply'' for, and I doubt I have the credentials to be accepted for such a role. Regardless, is there a way I can go about this without having to do it through someone else? I can probably easily find documentation on marking pages for translation but I don't know how much I'm actually capable of doing as just a regular user. Should I apply? &amp;mdash; [[User:Theki|rae&lt;sup&gt;5e&lt;/sup&gt;]] &amp;lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&amp;gt; 14:15, 20 May 2026 (UTC)

:Most of the process of preparing a page for translation can be done by any editor. See [[:mw:Help:Extension:Translate/Page translation example]].
:The step of marking a page or translation for the first time or after changes must be done by a translation administrator.
:I recommend learning the &lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;translate&gt; and &lt;tvar&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt; syntax and using it on a few pages before applying for this permission. After you do it on a few pages, and you feel confident, and you want to do it more, you can ask for the permission. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 14:28, 20 May 2026 (UTC)
::Just to confirm, did I mark up [[Special:Diff/8138|this page]] for translation properly? I thought to give the hatnote its own &lt;code&gt;&amp;lt;translate&amp;gt;&lt;/code&gt; enclosure so as to exclude the indent and italicization from needing to be included in the translatable text. &amp;mdash; [[User:Theki|rae&lt;sup&gt;5e&lt;/sup&gt;]] &amp;lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&amp;gt; 15:10, 20 May 2026 (UTC)
:::Mostly properly, but don't exclude &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;''&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; for italics from translation. It's generally a good idea to exclude complex markup from translation because it's hard for many people to type, and it usually stays the same in translation anyway. &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;''&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; for italics is different, however: it's very simple to type and familiar to most editors; italic letters are used differently in different languages, and in some languages they aren't used at all, so translators need the freedom to use them appropriately; this markup can also appear in the middle of a translation unit and not only in the ends. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 15:35, 20 May 2026 (UTC)
::::Thank you for the guidance. Should the italics be included if they are used over the entire hatnote? I figure that placement of italics should be left up to the discretion of the translators, but the hatnote itself is meant to be entirely italicized, I would think irrespective of the language it's in. Is this the right idea or should they still be kept within the translation unit? &amp;mdash; [[User:Theki|rae&lt;sup&gt;5e&lt;/sup&gt;]] &amp;lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&amp;gt; 15:45, 20 May 2026 (UTC)
:::::Yes, italics should be included in the translation unit if they are used over the entire hatnote. Some languages don't use italic writing at all, so it shouldn't be forced. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 18:36, 20 May 2026 (UTC)
:I'd support a translation administrator request ;), for reasons below. I'm not sure why we need a seperate translation administrator right, or why we have to call it an &quot;administrator&quot; (deciding that a page could be translated is a much less important role than, say, page deletion, or blocking). We picked three of them (well, one of them went through the WMF, so we picked two), [https://abstract.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Log?type=pagetranslation&amp;user=&amp;page=&amp;excludetempacct=1&amp;wpdate=&amp;tagfilter=&amp;wpfilters%5B%5D=newusers&amp;wpFormIdentifier=logeventslist they don't appear very active, though], only marking 9 times this month, zero (0) of which were for pages marked for the first time. Both community translation admins used their global history and rights to get the role and only stop by occasionally, so having one who ''actually'' edits here would be nice. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 15:06, 20 May 2026 (UTC)
::This reply echos my philosophy of a sort of wiki-[[Q166005|xenophobia]] (the term xenophobia is probably too harsh, and I wouldn't consider myself one in real life, but it's the best word I can think of), I generally distrust users with a lot of global rights (both global sysop etc. and large amounts of local rights) who come make [[m:Metapedianism|metapedian]] contributions, not as people but to their ability to handle Wikifunctions and Abstract Wikipedia as incredibly unique and technically complex projects. I apologize if it my opinions come off as rude or ungrateful, I do appreciate the work of our translation administrators. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 15:26, 20 May 2026 (UTC)
:::You don't bother me, it's fine. I think they definitely have a place, they can be useful and they usually are. Obviously local admins and what have you that earned their roles through the trust and reputation of the specific community they are in are going to occupy a more trusting position in my mind than a global sysop or global ''anything''. Specialized role members are good and healthy in the long term; I think we are giving these privileges to global users sparingly as the project is still in its infancy and as core contributors emerge and take up key positions we will have a more well-rounded and self-sustaining community with less global privileges needed to take up certain tasks. Wikifunctions probably needed some Foundation members or other staff to act as functioneers initially while the general community was still orienting themselves with WikiLambda and working on applying for the role, but now we have [[f:Special:ListUsers/functioneer|74(!) of them]] and the number of normal members using their specialized skills outnumbers those who were &quot;grandfathered&quot; in (for lack of a better term) or similar. The wiki is young—it just needs time. I myself have been considering applying for sysop privileges since they are obviously needed (there being exactly Zero of them at the moment); I've been weighing the pros and cons of such a commitment, it's obviously a lot to take up. I wish your sysop request went through, I think you would have made a great admin here. I'm unsure of what others think of my capabilities, I'm rather in-and-out around these social spaces so I don't know if there's much to go off of. &amp;mdash; [[User:Theki|rae&lt;sup&gt;5e&lt;/sup&gt;]] &amp;lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&amp;gt; 15:55, 20 May 2026 (UTC)
::::Totally agree, and I'd support a sysopship request as well, though I'm apparently not good at assessing what the community considers supportable in admin candidate ;).
::::Off-topic, but interestingly, the sysop toolset allows you to grant yourself translation adminship. I'm not sure if sysops are expected not to grant themselves the permissions (kind of like how on enwiki 'crats are expected not grant themselves any rights without discussion despite having the technical rights), but I did it to myself on WF because [https://www.wikifunctions.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&amp;logid=84940 another sysop had]. Additionally, the functioneer right [[Special:ListGroupRights#functioneer|exists on this wiki]], with the same rights on WF, despite all of them not doing anything on this wiki. I believe this is because, on the technical side, both AW and WF are powered by the same MediaWiki extension (Wikilambda), with one wiki set to a mode for abstract articles and another set to a mode for ZObjects. [https://dag.wikipedia.org/wiki/Di%C5%8B%27gahim:ListGroupRights#functioneer Checking the Dagbani Wikipedia] supports this theory. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 18:00, 20 May 2026 (UTC)
:::::It always depends on the local policy. For Wikifunctions it is: ''Administrators do not need to undergo another discussion to become translation administrators; they can self-grant the rights to their account if necessary. Temporary administrators are not allowed to self-grant permanent translation administrator rights.''
:::::The availability of the functioneer right is a bug, see [[phab:T407066]]. --[[User:Ameisenigel|Ameisenigel]] ([[User talk:Ameisenigel|talk]]) 19:36, 20 May 2026 (UTC)
:::If you don't consider yourself a xenophobe in real life, I would recommend not calling yourself that here, or anywhere really. Especially since it was the ideological capture during the 2010s of the Croatian-language Wikipedia [[w:hr:]] by actual xenophobes that was part of the impetus for Abstract Wikipedia according to [https://simia.net/wiki/Draft:_Collaborating_on_the_sum_of_all_knowledge_across_languages#A_look_on_some_south_Slavic_language_Wikipedias Denny's blog]. [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 22:10, 26 May 2026 (UTC)

== Policy drafts ==

Hi all! I've written some draft policies and guidelines over the last few days. We're not a bureaucracy, so the point is not to set some rules but to kick off some discussions as to how our wiki will work. 
So far, I've created:
* [[Abstract Wikipedia:Notability|a notability guideline]]
* [[Abstract Wikipedia:Deletion policy|a deletion policy]]
I've written them as my opinion on what should happen, but I'm hoping to align them with community consensus as we discuss them more. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 13:44, 21 May 2026 (UTC)

== Wikifunctions &amp; Abstract Wikipedia Newsletter #249 is out: Annual plan 2026-2027 ==

There is [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-05-23|a new update]] for Abstract Wikipedia and Wikifunctions. Please, come and read it!

In this issue, we present you the current draft of objectives for Wikifunctions and Abstract Wikipedia in the WMF Annual Plan 2026-2027, and we take a look at the latest software developments.

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== To abstract Wikipedia or be the Abstract Wikipedia ==

There is a discussion happening about what the [[Abstract Wikipedia:Notability|notability criteria]] for Abstract Wikipedia should be, and in trying to participate I've found my idea of Abstract Wikipedia is awfully abstract. Is Abstract Wikipedia supposed to abstract Wikipedia, as in abstracting information from existing articles on the language Wikipedias (barring new contributions), or is it supposed to become the Abstract Wikipedia, supporting collaboration across all languages like it's the language Wikipedia to end all language Wikipedias (allowing new contributions)? I thought the answer would be obvious, but the name Abstract Wikipedia is a bit ambiguous. Am I missing something? [[User:Some helpful person|Some helpful person]] ([[User talk:Some helpful person|talk]]) 02:16, 27 May 2026 (UTC)

:I think ({{ping|DVrandecic (WMF)|p=?}}) the idea is (and I personally prefer) the latter. I believe that, given the fact that it's much easier to write a concrete article than an abstract article, and the fact that the community of potential future contributors on enwiki is skeptical ''at best'', we ultimately will never expand beyond the size of other wikis, but I see no problem with allowing volunteers to add information not on other wikis (it's probably not the most effective, but they're volunteers, beggars can't be choosers), as long as it's not vandalism, useless, or promotional slop. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 02:31, 27 May 2026 (UTC)
:@[[User:Some helpful person|Some helpful person]] Abstract Wikipedia is a Wikipedia, where people can collaborate across languages on articles, which can then be used to fill gaps in the existing Wikipedias. Whereas I expect that current Wikipedia articles might be used as a convenient starting point for many of the articles in Abstract Wikipedia, this is more a consequence of Wikipedia being one of the best places to go to to find reliable knowledge, but that is not part of how it is supposed to work. So, this is not to abstract the existing Wikipedias, but to collaborate on an Abstract Wikipedia. At no point is this meant to replace existing Wikipedias. (Thanks to @[[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] for the ping!) --[[User:DVrandecic (WMF)|DVrandecic (WMF)]] ([[User talk:DVrandecic (WMF)|talk]]) 17:01, 27 May 2026 (UTC)
::Thank you, this makes a lot more sense now. [[User:Some helpful person|Some helpful person]] ([[User talk:Some helpful person|talk]]) 21:52, 27 May 2026 (UTC)

== template suggestion ==

Some way to mock abstract syntax on talk and project pages, analogous to those in [[d:category:format Template]]. [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 15:21, 27 May 2026 (UTC)

:Hmm. I agree.
:Workshopping ideas for how it works:
:* Invokation: &lt;nowiki&gt;{{Call|Z26039|{&quot;Z1K1&quot;: &quot;Z18&quot;, &quot;Z18K1&quot;: &quot;Z825K1&quot;}|{&quot;Z1K1&quot;: &quot;Z6091&quot;, &quot;Z6091K1&quot;: &quot;Q634&quot;}|{&quot;Z1K1&quot;: &quot;Z18&quot;, &quot;Z18K1&quot;: &quot;Z825K1&quot;}|lang=en}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;
:** This could then be suplemented by helper templates: &lt;nowiki&gt;{{Call|Z26039|{{Wikidata item argument reference}}|{{Wikidata item reference|Q634}}|{{Language argument reference}}}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;
:* This would result in &quot;[[f:Z26039|subject is instance of (string)]] (wikidata item reference, [[d:Q634|planet]], language)&quot;
:** Icons are missing in this example, I'm not sure if we can actually add them
:Thoughts? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 16:04, 27 May 2026 (UTC)

== Marking NLG Default text ==

Some NLG functions give default texts, like [[f:Z33420|Z33420]] will give text like &quot;Paris ∈ {city}&quot;. sometimes in other languages the English text is show. Currently there is no visual clue that these texts are not normal text in the requested language. I propose we mark these text with color &lt;span style=&quot;color:magenta;&quot;&gt;Paris ∈ {city}&lt;/span&gt; with something like &lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:magenta;&quot;&gt;Paris ∈ {city}&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;. To have this configurable/maintainable this could be included in a function, called NLG default text or so, with a text as input an a text in color as output. The exact formatting like magenta color or gray background or something else can be discussed/decided later. To have it even more configurable on personal stylesheets it could use a class like &lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;NLG Default text&quot;&gt;Paris ∈ {city}&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;. What do you think? Could somebody make such a function already? [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 12:00, 29 May 2026 (UTC)

:The are technically just monolingual texts in a language called &quot;multiple languages&quot;. I threw a prototype together really quickly, [[f:Z35839]]. It will accept strings, monolingual texts, and html fragments as input, so you have to select which type you want. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 14:59, 29 May 2026 (UTC)
::OK, thanks, I added it to [[f:Z26039]] and works as expected, see [https://www.wikifunctions.org/wiki/Z26039?call=%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z7%22%2C%22Z7K1%22%3A%22Z26039%22%2C%22Z26039K1%22%3A%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z6091%22%2C%22Z6091K1%22%3A%22Q64%22%7D%2C%22Z26039K2%22%3A%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z6091%22%2C%22Z6091K1%22%3A%22Q515%22%7D%2C%22Z26039K3%22%3A%22Z1555%22%7D here]. The test for the function with default text now fails because it now is in magenta color. That was to be expected. I will leave the tests unchanged if that is OK with you, as we might need to change the exact formatting.
::Is it OK to add this to other NLG functions that produce default output? [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 15:59, 29 May 2026 (UTC)
:::Sure, [[w:en:WP:Be bold|be bold]]! [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 20:50, 29 May 2026 (UTC)
::::Feeglgeef, I am struggling with the output. Can you have a look? [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 17:02, 30 May 2026 (UTC)
:::::Can you link me to where? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 17:08, 30 May 2026 (UTC)
::::::{{Q|90}} in a language vls should give a magenta text. Instead it gives &quot;Wikifunctions returned a failed response: Unspecified error&quot;. [[f:Z33422]] results &quot;&lt;span style=&quot;color: magenta;&quot;&gt;Parys ∈ {stad}&lt;/span&gt;&quot; (as a string). [[f:Z26039]] also gives &quot;&lt;span style=&quot;color: magenta;&quot;&gt;Parys ∈ {stad}&lt;/span&gt;&quot;, but it's test [[f:Z33726]] gives an HTML equivalent, not a string. [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 17:59, 30 May 2026 (UTC)
:::::::You shouldn't be returning HTML in string-typed functions. I'm not sure, then, how we implement your proposal, actually. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 18:54, 30 May 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I tried  with [[f:Z35921]] but now the output is the literal text, and not HTML. Does anybody have an idea how to implement the text in a color?
::::::::Alternatively we could use texts like // Parys ∈ {stad} //. [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 16:51, 31 May 2026 (UTC)
::::::::: You need to output [[f:Z89|HTML fragment]], not String. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 17:16, 31 May 2026 (UTC)
:I agree with the above that this should not be applied to functions which return strings or monolingual text. If anything, it might work to insert it into functions returning HTML. The most egregious problems I've seen are when I tried to render into an RTL language (e.g. Hebrew 0 try on [[Q408]]), and it spilled all the formatting all over the article. I will revert the change to the string default at [[:f:Z33421]], but suggest it is tested carefully if implemented elsewhere. In general I prefer just marking with spans rather than colours at this stage. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 04:49, 3 June 2026 (UTC)
:: Perhaps mark with spans given a specific ID and then allow users to use a userscript/gadget to paint them magenta? That seems like the most considerate approach. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 05:12, 3 June 2026 (UTC)
:::[[:f:Z32234]] suggests something like &lt;code&gt;span lang=&quot;mul&quot;&lt;/code&gt; or similar. [[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 05:20, 3 June 2026 (UTC)
::::I will (carefully) try some other alternatives, and use a personal class in my userscript for &lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;NLG Default text&quot;&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;. [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 14:05, 4 June 2026 (UTC)
::::: If possible, can you use &lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;span lang=&quot;mul&quot;&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;? This would allow it to also catch some instances automatically. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 16:14, 4 June 2026 (UTC)
::::::I have done so, but how can I set my personal stylesheet to show color magenta with &lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;span lang=&quot;mul&quot;&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;? [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 22:20, 4 June 2026 (UTC)
::::::: try adding this to [[Special:MyPage/common.css]]:
::::::: [lang=&quot;mul&quot;] {&lt;br&gt; color: magenta;&lt;br&gt; } [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 23:48, 4 June 2026 (UTC)

: I created a new implementation for [[f:Z35921]] using emoji text, resulting in texts like &quot;❌≪Paris ∈ {city}≫❌&quot;. It works on [[Q90]] for not yet specified languages like Zeelandic. I will be bold in adding this other functions that use default texts. [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 11:26, 5 June 2026 (UTC)

== Ratification of the deletion policy proposal? ==

I haven't seen any unresolved objections to my proposal for a [[Abstract Wikipedia:Deletion policy|policy for deletion]]. Does anybody have any issues, and, if not, is it ok to ratify as an actual policy? I intend to remove the draft template and replace it with a policy template unless anyone voices any objection within a week. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 20:55, 29 May 2026 (UTC)

:Is it just me or does [[Abstract Wikipedia:Deletion policy#Reasons for deletion]] render blank with only number bullets without the actual text after ''1.'' or ''2.''? [[User:Bunnypranav|Bunnypranav]] ([[User talk:Bunnypranav|talk]]) 07:13, 30 May 2026 (UTC)
::I see text. ―[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''&lt;span style=&quot;color:black&quot;&gt;v&lt;/span&gt;f&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 07:49, 30 May 2026 (UTC)
:::I can see on my phone, but it goes blank on my laptop. What is the role of ''&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;anchor&quot; id=&quot;1&quot;&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;''? [[User:Bunnypranav|Bunnypranav]] ([[User talk:Bunnypranav|talk]]) 12:15, 30 May 2026 (UTC)
::::{{ping|Bunnypranav}} I can see the text everywhere (I tested connected and not connected, on my phone, laptop, with Chrome or Firefox ; what system do you use?). As the name suggest, the span anchor is here to create an HTML anchor, so you can do link like [[Abstract_Wikipedia:Deletion_policy#7]]. Cheers, [[User:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[User talk:VIGNERON|talk]]) 13:49, 30 May 2026 (UTC)
:::::I'm on Brave browser. Nevertheless, forget it. The culprit might be some random customization I did to my system which I cannot recollect. The reason is the span tag only though, tried a preview kicking out a text to just outside the tag and it worked. [[User:Bunnypranav|Bunnypranav]] ([[User talk:Bunnypranav|talk]]) 14:23, 30 May 2026 (UTC)
:Globally, it looks fine. I think that reasons 7 and 8 may need some examples/clarifications. There is no global consensus when it comes to creating categories. For example, categories for building interiors and exteriors. Personally, I feel that they are useful for easier discoverability. [[User:Jsamwrites|John Samuel]] ([[User:Jsamwrites|talk]]) 15:39, 30 May 2026 (UTC)
::I've copied them over from enwiki. They're probably included in &quot;content otherwise not suited for an encyclopedia.&quot; Since sysops can't speedy them, it'd be up to commenters on [[Abstract:RFD]] to determine. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 16:48, 30 May 2026 (UTC)
: Done! [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 22:33, 5 June 2026 (UTC)

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== Yet another suggested function proposal ==
Perhaps it's a bit early, but can [[f:Z36049]] be added to [[MediaWiki:AbstractWikiSuggestedWikifunctions.json]]? See [[Q38726]] for an example use. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 23:54, 4 June 2026 (UTC)
: Meh. Consider this withdrawn until we know more about what we want image creation to look like. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 05:06, 5 June 2026 (UTC)

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== Questions on a simple fragment example &quot;The Eiffel Tower is a monument&quot; ==
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Hello.  I would like to be able to use the function [[f:Z26039]] to generate sentences like &quot;the Eiffel Tower is a monument&quot; or &quot;la torre Eiffel es un monumento&quot; in Spanish.  It already raises a lot of questions.  

Question 1: I should be able to set the first input &quot;entity&quot; to {{Q|Q243}} and the second input &quot;class&quot; to {{Q|Q4989906}} and get the correct sentence, shouldn't I?  Just checking.

Question 2: [[f:Z26039]] calls a language-specific function like &quot;Spanish article-less instantiating sentence&quot; [[f:Z26337]], which uses the label of the Wikidata item to get the text for &quot;Eiffel Tower&quot;, which is similar to the lemma of the lexeme.  But this would not be acceptable in production, would it?  The item label &quot;belongs&quot; to all Wikidata users, not to Abstract Wikipedia users, and there is no guarantee what it might contain, such as a parenthesis for disambiguation.  Or am I wrong?

Question 3a: We need to have a lexeme for the combination &quot;Eiffel Tower&quot; in each language, don't we?  For instance in languages with gender, the lexeme is the only place to find the gender.  It is true that if we know that the equivalent of &quot;Tower&quot; is the head word, syntactical information can be found under the lexeme for &quot;tower&quot;, and it would be good to use a system like that.  But the only place that the syntactic dependency information could be located is under the lexeme.  

Question 3b: At present for [[f:Z26039]] etc. to work, we have to add any forms or syntax information to the lexeme of the whole phrase, such as &quot;Eiffel Tower&quot;.  But property {{Q|P5238}} with attributes {{Q|P9763}} and {{Q|P9764}} can be used to define the structure and avoid duplicating the syntax information.  What lexeme would be used for &quot;Eiffel&quot; in this case?  Would it be the same as a lexeme for {{Q|Q20882}}?  That makes no sense to me.  I propose that there should be a dummy lexeme in each language which could be added to {{Q|P5238}} instead of a real lexeme to mean &quot;invariant element&quot;.

Question 4: As has already been pointed out elsewhere, the fragment functions do not work well with the initial definite article in languages like English, Spanish and German.  Examples:

* &quot;'''The Eiffel Tower is a monument.'''&quot;  The item label &quot;Eiffel Tower&quot; omits the article and so the result omits the initial &quot;The&quot; in English.  French, Spanish and German are similar.  
* &quot;'''The Sun is a star.'''&quot;  Similarly the article is wrongly omitted, also in French, Spanish and German.
* &quot;'''Westminster Abbey is a monument.'''&quot;  This is OK in English and German as no article is needed, but not in French or Spanish where it is, for instance &quot;La Abadía de Westminster es un monumento&quot;. 
* &quot;'''Latin is a dead language.'''&quot;  Also this is OK in English and German but not in French or Spanish, where an article is needed.
* &quot;'''Jupiter is a planet.'''&quot;.  This does not need an article and is OK in all the languages; I include this to show that you cannot assume that there is an article in all cases in French and Spanish.

How should the language functions find out whether an article is needed?  In some cases, where the lemma is a phrase like &quot;Abadía de Westminster&quot; in Spanish, I think that it could be deduced, but in general there is no rule to give the answer.  Using different rendering functions according to the case is '''not''' a solution, although it might work for a few specific languages like these four.  It would not be acceptable because there will be many, many other cases of syntactical choices to be made for all the different languages, and we cannot expect the person writing the abstract code to take them all into account.  So I suppose that a declaration in the lexeme is needed to solve this problem.  I suppose that there must already be linguistic terminology for this problem, but I don't know it.

I would be grateful for any comments on any of these questions. [[User:Strobilomyces|Strobilomyces]] ([[User talk:Strobilomyces|talk]]) 15:02, 5 June 2026 (UTC)

:@[[User:Strobilomyces|Strobilomyces]] I will try to answer a few of your questions, although I am not linguist. 
::@[[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] Thanks for your answer.  I will add my comments in your answers below. [[User:Strobilomyces|Strobilomyces]] ([[User talk:Strobilomyces|talk]]) 18:42, 9 June 2026 (UTC)
:1. Yes I agree the correct inputs for &quot;entity&quot; is {{Q|243}} and the second input &quot;class&quot; is {{Q|4989906}}.
:2. In case no lexeme information is needed (for gender or so) the Wikidata label of {{Q|243}} should be OK. Labels in Wikidata don't contain parentheses for disambiguation. For instance there are many cities called Amsterdam like {{Q|478456}}. {{Q|959016}} and {{Q|727}}
:: Well I sometimes add disambiguation parentheses in the case of taxonomic items, for instance I use the label &quot;Sphaerodes (fungus)&quot; because the genus name ''Sphaerodes'' is both a fungus and an insect. As far as I know, it is allowed to add a parenthesis like this to the label.  When selecting the item this is not needed, since the description is also visible, but when looking at the genus name on the page, one would not be able to tell whether the link goes to the fungus or the insect, and sometimes such links get muddled up.  If there should be a rule that the label must be the same as the lemma text, then I think that needs to be agreed and publicized.
:3a. In case gender is needed, for example for gender for La Abadía de Westminster I think we need lexemes
:: Yes, so it seems to me that this means that for languages like French and German, every single item needs a lexeme.  On the other hand, in a separate conversation it was suggested to me that genders might be established programmatically, and the lexeme would only be needed in exceptional cases.  This seems to require an architecture which is different from what I was expecting, and certainly not available at present for the fragment examples (surely the logic will be too complicated for composition code alone).  Even in English, many items may need to be used in the plural; the rendering function will need to find the plural of the given item.  It can execute a heuristic function (add &quot;s&quot;, change &quot;y&quot; to &quot;ies&quot;, etc.), and a lexeme is only needed if the label word is &quot;irregular&quot;.  But note that it has to query the lexeme every single time to see if one exists, in which case it must take precedence.
:3b. I don't know what you mean, so I can't answer that.
::It is a detailed question about how to fill in the attributes of {{Q|P5238}}.
:4. You are right some examples like Sun is a star&quot; are incorrect and need an article for some languages/some lemmma. I don't know if there is a linguistic terminology or Lexeme property that would indicate it needs an initial definite article.
:::Yes.  In fact, the strange thing for me is rather that in encyclopedia entries, the article is omitted in the article heading.  For instance, in the examples above if the English labels were given as &quot;The Eiffel Tower&quot; and &quot;The Sun&quot;, and similarly in the other languages, the fragment examples would work and where would be the problem?  In paper encyclopedias, this would mean that many entries would come together under &quot;The&quot;.  Anyway, I don't think this can be changed and so a property is needed.  I would have thought that the property would have to be on a lexeme object.
:: On {{Q|727}} in English the noun Netherlands has an additional &quot;the&quot; in English. This is added by [[f:Z32645]] item indicates definite article, English. Functions should be created for each language, and added to the appropriate sentences. [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 11:58, 9 June 2026 (UTC)
:::Oh, Z32645 is interesting.  The two implementations are very different, aren't they?  The function doesn't work for &quot;Eiffel Tower&quot;, but the first implementation could do if &quot;the Eiffel Tower&quot; were an alias.  That could be instead of the lexeme property(?)  But if we are imposing conventions like that, I suppose we need to talk to other Wikidata users.

:Even for western languages there are a lot of different rules; What about the many other languages in the world. All this makes it a real challenge. [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 22:04, 8 June 2026 (UTC)
::Yes, I think it is an extreme challenge, especially withou being able to call external functions in Python etc.  Surely this is too complicated for composition?  Thanks again for your answers. [[User:Strobilomyces|Strobilomyces]] ([[User talk:Strobilomyces|talk]]) 18:42, 9 June 2026 (UTC)
:::This was discussed at [[:commons:File:Abstract_Wikipedia_Volunteer_Corner_2026-06.webm|Monday’s volunteers’ corner meeting (8 June 2026)]]. It was also discussed to find a place where to discuss this in detail. Please mention that place here if that place is known. [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 11:26, 13 June 2026 (UTC)

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I understand the anti-AI (or pro-human) sentiment, but could you avoid using a word for which the entire joke is that it's like an ethnic slur? It's not the robots who are affected by that. [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 20:21, 7 April 2026 (UTC)

: Oh, of course. I apologize if my use of the term offended you, that was not my intent. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 22:52, 7 April 2026 (UTC)

:: I don't think personal offense or lack thereof is the issue really, it's about not letting the high tensions of our (post, post)modern age be the reason that civility is unworkable in this wiki. Sure, Abstract Wikipedia has the technical aspect to consider, but basically it's still an encyclopedia; we all need to be [[abstract:HERE|WP:HERE]] to make the project function if it's going to, otherwise it won't. That doesn't mean withhold criticism, it means finding a mode of communicating it that doesn't close off possibilities. [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 20:54, 8 April 2026 (UTC)

::: Personally, I don't think anyone was being uncivil. However, &quot;be the reason that civility is unworkable in this wiki&quot; implies that you would think so, or no? Either way, I personally don't find how a jocular term like &quot;clanker&quot; is exactly itself uncivil. [[User:Babelball|Babelball]] ([[User talk:Babelball|talk]]) 21:45, 8 April 2026 (UTC)

:::: Because the joke is &quot;see, I get to use a slur against the AI because it's not a person&quot;, which ignores that real people use the AI, and real people made it in the first place (some under oppressive working conditions), and real people have been the targets of the slurs which 'clanker' takes inspiration from. Go ahead and tell me that '[[wikt:clanka|clanka]]' isn't what it clearly appears to be, for example. My wider point is that if Abstract Wikipedia becomes just a place for culture warring, then it's not useful as a general-purpose encyclopedia (or source of linguistic structures from which encyclopediae in various languages might be produced). — [[user:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[user talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 21:50, 8 April 2026 (UTC)

::::: Firstly, ''clanka'' is literally the definition of satirism. Secondly, the term ''clanker'' is not directed towards those that use AI or help to create it — it's directed towards AI. Your emphasis on ''clanker'' disrespecting those people is a little silly. Thirdly, there was no culture-war in place. From what I can tell, @[[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] was using ''clanker'' satirically while informing Immanuelle that they were plagiarizing. — [[user:Babelball|Babelball]] ([[user talk:Babelball|talk]]) 22:03, 8 April 2026 (UTC)

(dedent) Silly I am, but in this matter I am being serious (and I don't generally think that satirical or jocular speech is all that different from speech, broadly construed). The interpersonal politics around the use of AI are currently embroiled in a culture war, and the wiki-contributing portion of the world is not immune to the controversy; due to the computational linguistic basis of Abstract Wikipedia, it is even more liable to this topic.&lt;br /&gt;I welcome valid critiques of AI, but in this context I think we the wiki community require it in the form of policy-setting for the project as discussed in the relevant forums,&lt;ref group=&quot;e.g.&quot;&gt;For example, the UI of the software that is on GitHub recommends using a bot account (perhaps because it is a semi-automated activity like adding QuickStatements would be on Wikidata) but it seems Immanuelle is using a personal/main account for such edits. What if anything should the wiki guidance recommend for quality assurance when creating and updating articles?&lt;/ref&gt; rather than as name-calling, which 'clanker' is if nothing else. The AI can't take offense, since the hardware is made of rocks and about as lively, and the software is [[xkcd:1838|stirfried]] internet. So only the humans are around to read that, so it is them to which reasoned arguments should instead be directed, preferably in a process of consensus-seeking.

I believe Feeglgeef's assertion above of no intent to offend, and even if I didn't have that positive belief I'd be giving coeditors the benefit of reasonable doubt, so I am not worried about for example Code of Conduct violations in the present. However, I think it best to address matters with discussion as soon as they become relevant. I am thankful for both your and Feeglgeef's contributions in mainspace and at Wikifunctions, as far as I have seen. In the project namespace here however, I note that NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh reverted a contra-AI edit to [[abstract:tools]] as being arbitrary, so I think I am likely not the only one who feels that employing a combative approach regarding AI and the people who use it is not an appropriate method for a collaborative editing environs, especially when there are more constructive alternatives.

Since I mentioned Immanuelle and NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh, I am letting them find this post via ping, but Feeglgeef's talk page is not the best location for extended discussion (I regret taking the expeditious action a couple days ago... I didn't want to derail the thread at PC with what was initially an aside) so perhaps at [[Abstract Wikipedia talk:bot policy|bot policy]] or [[Abstract Wikipedia talk:automation|automation]] or even [[Abstract Wikipedia talk:AI|AI]] would be a good place to move. [[abstract:project chat]] is still a good general forum, but more specific pages can help focus the topic. — [[user:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[user talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 02:43, 9 April 2026 (UTC)

: To be clear, &quot;bot account&quot; most likely means a [[Special:BotPasswords|bot password]]. [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]&lt;sub&gt;[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]&lt;sub&gt;[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;/sub&gt; ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 02:49, 9 April 2026 (UTC)

:: Ah, thank you for the link. — [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 02:52, 9 April 2026 (UTC)

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== Translations in French ==

Hi Feeglgeef. I want to translate in French Abstract Wikipedia as I start to Wikifunctions, but I don't know where to start. [[User:Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick|Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick]] ([[User talk:Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick|talk]]) 08:51, 14 May 2026 (UTC)

:Hi! I'm not sure whether you want to:
:# translate Abstract Wikipedia's interface;
:# translate Abstract Wikipedia's display of unrendered abstract content; or
:# improve the ability to render abstract content in French.
:If you mean its interface, try [https://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Special%3ATranslate&amp;group=ext-wikilambda-abstract&amp;language=fr&amp;filter=%21translated&amp;action=translate translatewiki.net], I think you need to sign up for an account. If you mean its display of unrendered content, it gets that from the labels on WF, so do that there. If you mean #3 its much more difficult because it requires more technical knowledge. Thank you for your willingness to contribute, it's really appreciated. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 13:10, 14 May 2026 (UTC)
::Thanks Feeglgeef. It was the first point. I just join translatewiki and make twenty translations. I must now wait. [[User:Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick|Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick]] ([[User talk:Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick|talk]]) 16:30, 14 May 2026 (UTC)
:::Thank you, it is now done. On [https://abstract.wikipedia.org/view/fr/Q317521 this page for example], &quot;Abstract Article&quot;, &quot;Generated text&quot;, &quot;Wikifunctions returned a failed response:&quot; (but not the error itself), &quot;wikidata item reference&quot; and &quot;language&quot; are in English. If it is just a question of update for the firsts, I don't know where to go to translate &quot;wikidata item reference&quot; and &quot;language&quot;, or maybe they are just taken from Wikifunction in English for the moment. I am not skilled in programming, so I am focusing on translation. [[User:Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick|Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick]] ([[User talk:Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick|talk]]) 19:06, 17 May 2026 (UTC)
::::{{ping|Jdforrester (WMF)|p=,}} I apologize for making a habit out of pinging you, are these texts are unable to be internationalized, or is there somewhere else to do that? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 20:55, 17 May 2026 (UTC)
:::::@[[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]]: As you say, interface text is indeed translated on TWN. This is exported into the development repo, and then pushed to production each week as part of the normal process.
:::::For example, &quot;Abstract Article&quot; is  [[betawiki:MediaWiki:Content-model-abstractwiki/fr|content-model-abstractwiki]], translated as &quot;''Article résumé''&quot; by @[[User:Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick|Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick]] on Friday; it will be here this Wednesday. [[User:Jdforrester (WMF)|Jdforrester (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Jdforrester (WMF)|talk]]) 14:03, 18 May 2026 (UTC)
::::::Alright. Thank you! [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 14:25, 18 May 2026 (UTC)
:::::::… and to close the loop, [[MediaWiki:Content-model-abstractwiki/fr]] is now &quot;Article résumé&quot; here. Success! [[User:Jdforrester (WMF)|Jdforrester (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Jdforrester (WMF)|talk]]) 16:43, 20 May 2026 (UTC)
::::::::{{ping|Jdforrester (WMF)}}. Thank you. But on [https://abstract.wikipedia.org/view/fr/Q44641 Wendy Carlos], we have &quot;chapeau (Q8776414)&quot; with (Q8776414) written, and &quot;wikidata item reference&quot; and &quot;language&quot; are always in English. I don't know where to add French translations. 
::::::::Other problem, on Translatewiki, some name of languages are not in French, I don't know where to go to make translations. [[User:Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick|Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick]] ([[User talk:Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick|talk]]) 17:17, 20 May 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::@[[User:Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick|Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick]]: &quot; wikidata item reference&quot; is the label of Z825K1, but indeed it's pulling the wrong label. I've filed a task: [[phab:T426885|T426885: Z825K* labels are shown always in English (?), not in the view-specific language]] [[User:Jdforrester (WMF)|Jdforrester (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Jdforrester (WMF)|talk]]) 17:26, 20 May 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::{{ping|Jdforrester (WMF)}} I add a translation for Z825 and the result is correct on [https://abstract.wikipedia.org/view/fr/Q44641 Wendy Carlos]. [[User:Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick|Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick]] ([[User talk:Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick|talk]]) 18:11, 20 May 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::Aha! Never mind then, glad we got that sorted. [[User:Jdforrester (WMF)|Jdforrester (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Jdforrester (WMF)|talk]]) 22:28, 20 May 2026 (UTC)

== [[Special:Diff/8021]] ==

Nice. &amp;mdash; [[User:Theki|rae&lt;sup&gt;5e&lt;/sup&gt;]] &amp;lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&amp;gt; 00:50, 19 May 2026 (UTC)

:😁 [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 01:26, 19 May 2026 (UTC)

== Question ==

Forgive me if this is a dumb question but I am still new to making these and trying to learn, but is it possible to place pronouns in an article? Every article I've made I've had it read &quot;name is this. name did that&quot; instead of &quot;name is this. ''he'' did that&quot;. Is there a function for this or is the name just inevitable? [[User:Sophisticatedevening|Sophisticatedevening]] ([[User talk:Sophisticatedevening|talk]]) 21:44, 2 June 2026 (UTC)
: Hi! Ideally we'd eventually have a way to reference the subject without naming them again (for related work, see [[Abstract Wikipedia:Abstract article architectures]]). The problem is that different languages have different rules to determine how exactly you make that reference (in Swahili, there's one word for third person, [[wikt:yeye#Swahili|yeye]], in Spanish there is only &quot;el/ella&quot;, no &quot;it&quot; or singular they equivalent, these are the ones I know but there are more complex cases), which means that it's unfortunately impossible right now. A first point of work might be a function that takes a Wikidata item and determines the third person nominative pronoun for one language. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 01:05, 3 June 2026 (UTC)
::That's fair, was just curious if that structure was already in place, thank you for responding. [[User:Sophisticatedevening|Sophisticatedevening]] ([[User talk:Sophisticatedevening|talk]]) 11:37, 3 June 2026 (UTC)</text>
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== Administrator ==
=== Administrator: Bunnypranav ===
Hello folks! I would like to request administrator to be able to help out with deletion, respond to vandalism, and assist with any other administrative tasks. I currently serve as a sysop on Wikifunctions, a sister project intricately linked to this wiki. I actively respond to deletion requests there. While I haven't created many pages here, the administrative skills required overlap significantly with that of Wikifunctions. Thank you for your time and consideration! &lt;span style=&quot;font-family:monospace;font-weight:bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Bunnypranav|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#63b3ed&quot;&gt;~/Bunny&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#2c5282&quot;&gt;pranav&lt;/span&gt;]]:&amp;lt;[[User talk:Bunnypranav|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#63b3ed&quot;&gt;ping&lt;/span&gt;]]&amp;gt;&lt;/span&gt; 08:23, 9 June 2026 (UTC)
: I'm not going to !vote yet. I trust you, I know that you know how to use the tools, and I would really like a local admin, but I'd be more comfortable supporting if you had more local edits (than 12) to show that you can exercise good judgement on this project specifically. You still have 6 days!
: I'm also not sure about the assertion that &quot;the administrative skills required overlap significantly with that of Wikifunctions&quot;. Of course, the skills necessary to be a sysop on any Wikimedia (or, really, MediaWiki) project overlap heavily, but I'd argue that Abstract Wikipedia is closer to concrete Wikipedias in deletion (often notability and spam/vandalism) than Wikifunctions (often author request and lack of use).
: '''Optional question''' in this regard: of the three requests currently on [[Abstract:RFD]], open and closed, what would you do (or have done) with them as sysop if you ''had'' to make a decision without factoring in the existing comments?
: Thanks, [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 02:29, 10 June 2026 (UTC)
::Thank you for your trust, and for taking the time to give me feedback. I agree that my current contribution is pretty limited for a sysop role in any regular wiki, and I understand if the community cannot trust me with these privileges. You are right in saying that Abstract Wikipedia is closer to other content wikis in terms of notability policies, since this hosts textual encyclopedic content at the end of the day (from a readers perspective at least). My initial statement was based on, in addition to general familiarity of sysop tools in MediaWiki systems, the similarity in the terms structure of pages. The system of functions, function calls, arguments, and other related features through the [[mw:Extension:WikiLambda|extension WikiLambda]] is the overlap I referred to. While not an excuse for the lesser number of edits in this wiki, I have gained a lot of experience in general notability and vandalism policies though my significant contributions in enwiki (non-wiki specific, not Abs. wiki specific, I know). Basically, this is to say I am not completely unaware about how content-related deletions take place.
::I would be happy to answer your optional question, any any follow ups you or others may have. However, I would like to say that for any non-emergency or non-spam deletion requests, which include the first and second request currently at RFD, I would never choose to make a decision without waiting for other user comments. Consensus runs in the DNA and blood of our wikis, and there is no need to ever not factor that in. In order of the requests (from [https://abstract.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Abstract_Wikipedia:Requests_for_deletion&amp;oldid=10008 permalink])
::# This is of course the more harder request to evaluate comparatively. As said before, I would not like to proceed towards an outcome without hearing some other voices at RfD. Afterall, that is the point of deletion venues. Based on the proposed notability guideline, they do seem to be on the borderline, and leaning more towards a no, but I would not choose to make a decision without at least some amount of community input.
::# I would close this as deleted, since it does not seem to add any encyclopedic value in its current form of an article about an internal category. The deletion reason proposed by Ameisenigel seems pretty self explanatory.
::# ''Note: I cannot see the now-deleted pages'' Since this looks like a simple vandalism related deletion request, if the pages in question were actually clear pages of spam, which I would assume them to be since they were already deleted by a global sysop, I would also delete them and issue a block without waiting for any other user comments.
::Thank you once again for your time! &lt;span style=&quot;font-family:monospace;font-weight:bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Bunnypranav|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#63b3ed&quot;&gt;~/Bunny&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#2c5282&quot;&gt;pranav&lt;/span&gt;]]:&amp;lt;[[User talk:Bunnypranav|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#63b3ed&quot;&gt;ping&lt;/span&gt;]]&amp;gt;&lt;/span&gt; 06:35, 11 June 2026 (UTC)
::: {{weak support}} '''three or six months''', thank you for your detailed answers. We'll hopefully have a chance to review sysopship in a few months anyway. My experience is that, as you mentioned, you respect consensus well and don't take bold actions that are likely to be controversial. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 18:58, 11 June 2026 (UTC)
:{{s}} term-limited adminship. You have the right temperament and approach, and familiarity with the underlying project and aims helps a lot at this stage. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 00:43, 12 June 2026 (UTC)
:{{S}} per above --[[User:Ameisenigel|Ameisenigel]] ([[User talk:Ameisenigel|talk]]) 18:04, 12 June 2026 (UTC)

== Interface administrator ==

== Translation administrator ==

== Bureaucrat ==

== Bot ==

== Miscellaneous requests ==

==See also==
* [[Abstract Wikipedia:User groups]]
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== astronomy / cosmology ==

* [[q544|Solar System]] ([[q34457362|inner and outer]]: [[q7879772|inner]], [[q3962257|outer]])
** [[q13205267|inner and outer planets]]: [[q7879772|inners]], [[q30014|outers]]
** [[q109645909|objects]]: [[q30249972|inner]], [[q30250610|outer]]
** [[q308|☿]], [[q313|♀]], [[q2|🜨]], [[q111|♂︎]], [[q319|♃]], [[q193|♄]], [[q324|♅]], [[q332|♆]]
** [[q1135397|classical]], [[q1460138|astrological]]

== core ==

The main list is at [[abstract:WikiProject Core articles]]. A supplementary list of initial candidates in the project namespace (pf course, the articles would be about these pages in '''all''' of the linked wikis, technically; but the pages are 'about' their own subjects which is what would end up being conveyed anyway) formerly at [[abstract Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Core articles#self-description]] and derived from [[special:allpages]]:

* [[abstract:about]] — [[d:special:entitypage/q4387616|about/introduction/welcome]] — [[q4387616]]
* [[abstract:administrators]] — [[d:special:entitypage/q4039395|administrators]] — [[q4039395]]
* [[abstract:administrators' noticeboard]] — [[d:special:entitypage/q4580256|administrators' noticeboard]] — [[q4580256]]
* &lt;!--👂🐟--&gt;[[abstract:Babel]] — [[d:special:entitypage/q6476774|Babel]] — [[q6476774]]
* [[abstract:community portal]] — [[d:special:entitypage/q4654925|community portal]] — [[q4654925]]
* [[abstract:featured article]] — [[d:special:entitypage/q79763|featured article candidates]] — [[q79763]]
* [[abstract:frequently asked questions]] — [[d:special:entitypage/q43120|FAQ]] — [[q43120]]
* [[abstract:list of policies and guidelines]] — [[d:special:entitypage/q4656150|policies and guidelines]] — [[q4656150]]
* [[abstract:main page]] — [[d:special:entitypage/q5296|main page]] — [[q5296]]
* [[abstract:project chat]] — [[d:special:entitypage/q16503|village pump]] — [[q16503]]
* [[abstract:report a technical problem]] — [[d:special:entitypage/q4582194|village pump (technical)]] — [[q4582194]]
* [[abstract:requests for deletion]] — [[d:special:entitypage/q22897|deletion requests]] — [[q22897]]
* [[abstract:requests for permissions]] — [[d:special:entitypage/q5453037|requests for permissions]] — [[q5453037]]
* [[abstract:suggested functions]] — [[d:special:entitypage/q139175401|suggested functions]] — [[q139175401]]
* [[abstract:tools]] — [[d:special:entitypage/q6584911|tools]] — [[q6584911]]
* [[abstract:useful functions for article composition]] — [[d:special:entitypage/q139175483|useful functions for article composition]] — [[q139175483]]
* [[abstract:user groups]] — [[d:special:entitypage/q4616064|user groups]] — [[q4616064]]
* [[abstract:WikiProject]] — [[d:special:entitypage/q4234303|WikiProject]] — [[q4234303]]
* [[abstract:WikiProject Core articles]] — [[d:special:entitypage/q43375360|vital articles]] — [[q43375360]]
* [[abstract:WikiProject Encyclopedic Quality]] — [[d:special:entitypage/q115706234|proficiency]] — [[q115706234]]
* [[abstract:general disclaimer]] — [[wikidata:special:entitypage/q4980478|general disclaimer]] — [[q4980478]]
** linked in the footer of every page but &lt;del&gt;doesn't exist yet&lt;/del&gt; was deleted, so it could even be abstract-first on this wiki
* [[help:contents]] — [[d:special:entitypage/q914807|contents]] — [[q914807]]
* [[help:how to create an article]] — [[d:special:entitypage/q151637|editing]] — [[q151637]]

== New Mexico ==

[[q1522]]{{q|1522}}

* [[w:simple:category:New Mexico]]
** [[q48835024]]{{q|48835024}}
** [[q549448]]{{q|549448}}
** [[q2905014]]{{q|2905014}}
** [[q4158139]]{{q|4158139}}
** [[q3667736]]{{q|3667736}}
** [[q727605]]{{q|727605}}
** [[q124773656]]{{q|124773656}}
** [[]]{{q|}}
* [[w:en:WP:WikiProject New Mexico#Articles]]
** [[q822204]]{{q|822204}}
** [[q14706078]]{{q|14706078}}
** [[q969006]]{{q|969006}}
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* The next Volunteers' Corner will be at &lt;bdi lang=&quot;en&quot; dir=&quot;ltr&quot;&gt;[https://zonestamp.toolforge.org/1783359000 17:30 UTC on 2026-07-06]&lt;/bdi&gt; on &lt;bdi lang=&quot;en&quot; dir=&quot;ltr&quot;&gt;Google Meet&lt;/bdi&gt; at &lt;bdi lang=&quot;en&quot; dir=&quot;ltr&quot;&gt;[https://meet.google.com/xuy-njxh-rkw meet.google.com/xuy-njxh-rkw]&lt;/bdi&gt;.
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* [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-05-30|2026-05-30]]: Looking back and forward
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* &lt;span lang=&quot;en&quot; dir=&quot;ltr&quot; class=&quot;mw-content-ltr&quot;&gt;[[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-05-30|2026-05-30]]: Looking back and forward&lt;/span&gt;
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* Das nächste Freiwilligentreffen findet um &lt;bdi lang=&quot;en&quot; dir=&quot;ltr&quot;&gt;[https://zonestamp.toolforge.org/1783359000 17:30 UTC on 2026-07-06]&lt;/bdi&gt; auf &lt;bdi lang=&quot;en&quot; dir=&quot;ltr&quot;&gt;Google Meet&lt;/bdi&gt; unter &lt;bdi lang=&quot;en&quot; dir=&quot;ltr&quot;&gt;[https://meet.google.com/xuy-njxh-rkw meet.google.com/xuy-njxh-rkw]&lt;/bdi&gt; statt.
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* [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-05-30|2026-05-30]]: Rückblick und Ausblick
* [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-05-23|2026-05-23]]: Jahresplan 2026/2027
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'''WikiProject LGBTQ+ studies''' is a [[Abstract Wikipedia:WikiProject|WikiProject]] dedicated to improving Abstract Wikipedia's coverage of [[w:LGBTQ|LGBTQ]] topics, starting with the articles at [[m:Wiki99/LGBT+|Wiki99/LGBT+]].

&quot;The Q stands for Queer!&quot;[cn]

== Members ==

* [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]&lt;sub&gt;[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]&lt;sub&gt;[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;/sub&gt; ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]])
* [[User:Theki|rae&lt;sup&gt;5e&lt;/sup&gt;]] &amp;lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&amp;gt;
* [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]])
* [[User:Jsamwrites|John Samuel]] ([[User:Jsamwrites|talk]])

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'''WikiProject LGBTQ+ studies''' is a [[Abstract Wikipedia:WikiProject|WikiProject]] dedicated to improving Abstract Wikipedia's coverage of [[w:LGBTQ|LGBTQ]] topics, starting with the articles at [[m:Wiki99/LGBT+|Wiki99/LGBT+]].

&quot;The Q stands for Queer!&quot;[cn]

== Members ==

* [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]&lt;sub&gt;[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]&lt;sub&gt;[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;/sub&gt; ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]])
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* [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]])
* [[User:Jsamwrites|John Samuel]] ([[User:Jsamwrites|talk]])
* [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]])

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* A következő Önkéntes Sarok &lt;bdi lang=&quot;en&quot; dir=&quot;ltr&quot;&gt;[https://zonestamp.toolforge.org/1783359000 17:30 UTC on 2026-07-06]&lt;/bdi&gt;-kor lesz &lt;bdi lang=&quot;en&quot; dir=&quot;ltr&quot;&gt;Google Meet&lt;/bdi&gt; oldalon a &lt;bdi lang=&quot;en&quot; dir=&quot;ltr&quot;&gt;[https://meet.google.com/xuy-njxh-rkw meet.google.com/xuy-njxh-rkw]&lt;/bdi&gt; linken.
* &lt;span lang=&quot;en&quot; dir=&quot;ltr&quot; class=&quot;mw-content-ltr&quot;&gt;The [[:c:File:Abstract Wikipedia Volunteer Corner 2026-06.webm|most recent Volunteer's Corner]] is available on Commons.&lt;/span&gt;
; &lt;span lang=&quot;en&quot; dir=&quot;ltr&quot; class=&quot;mw-content-ltr&quot;&gt;Recent status updates about Wikifunctions&lt;/span&gt;
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      <text bytes="2463" sha1="8tk7mgvwc60g3h3pgkhl2d7d13fy51l" xml:space="preserve">== Showcase / lists of (potentially) most fleshed-out abstract articles ==
* [[Special:LongPages]]
* [[Abstract Wikipedia:WikiProject Encyclopedic Quality]]
** See [[Special:WhatLinksHere/Abstract Wikipedia:WikiProject Encyclopedic Quality|pages that link to it]]
* [[Abstract Wikipedia:Featured article]]
* [[Abstract Wikipedia:WikiProject Core articles]]
* [https://abstract-data.toolforge.org Abstract Data] dashboard (not sure what exactly it's showing)

=== Individual examples ===
* [[Q153|{{label|Q153}}]] — has lots of content, but it's all isolated, unrelated sentences, rather than connected in paragraphs.
* [[Q408|{{label|Q408}}]] — lead paragraph + various sections and even subsections (though most of these only contain a &quot;main article&quot; link)
* [[Q258|{{label|Q258}}]] — has some broken functions
* [[Q152|{{label|Q152}}]] — just a plain list of facts, needs weaving into prose
* [[Q15433043|{{label|Q15433043}}]] — appears to be relatively complete, including references, but several functions are broken
* [[Q148|{{label|Q148}}]] — various relevant facts, but only contains the lead paragraph; needs expanding
* [[Q18556697|{{label|Q18556697}}]] — same as above
* [[Q762|{{label|Q762}}]] — contains a lead paragraph (currently using a broken function) and a section listing notable works; needs expanding.

== Useful links ==
* [[Help:How to create an article]] (not very helpful tbh, as of May 2026)
* [[Abstract Wikipedia:Useful functions for article composition]]
* [[f:Wikifunctions:Abstract Wikipedia/2025 fragment experiments]]

== General impressions ==
* The UI/UX still needs a lot of work! 😬
* Function execution errors out constantly 😩
** I wonder if there could be a user preference to render functions locally instead of server-side? Or at least split the load?
** Why aren't rendered functions cached, even if just for a few minutes?
* I hope they're working on a source mode for editing — something like this (based on the example from [[Abstract Wikipedia:About]]):
*: &lt;code&gt;superlative ( Nigeria, populous, country, Africa, English ) &lt;/code&gt;
*: &amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;↓&lt;br/&gt;[[f:Z27243|&lt;span title=&quot;superlative&quot;&gt;Z27243&lt;/span&gt;]] ( {{Q-tooltip|Q1033}}, {{Q-tooltip|Q138758272}}, {{Q-tooltip|Q6256}}, {{Q-tooltip|Q15}}, [[f:Z1002|&lt;span title=&quot;English&quot;&gt;Z1002&lt;/span&gt;]] )
*: &amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;↓&lt;br/&gt;{{xt|Nigeria is the most populous country in Africa.}}
** See [[f:Wikifunctions:Status updates/2024-10-17]] for some examples.</text>
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;kulupu pi jan pali
* &lt;span lang=&quot;en&quot; dir=&quot;ltr&quot; class=&quot;mw-content-ltr&quot;&gt;The next Volunteers' Corner will be at &lt;bdi lang=&quot;en&quot; dir=&quot;ltr&quot;&gt;[https://zonestamp.toolforge.org/1783359000 17:30 UTC on 2026-07-06]&lt;/bdi&gt; on &lt;bdi lang=&quot;en&quot; dir=&quot;ltr&quot;&gt;Google Meet&lt;/bdi&gt; at &lt;bdi lang=&quot;en&quot; dir=&quot;ltr&quot;&gt;[https://meet.google.com/xuy-njxh-rkw meet.google.com/xuy-njxh-rkw]&lt;/bdi&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;
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; sona sin pi lipu Wikiwilo
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