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Enjoy the reading! -- [[User:Sannita (WMF)|User:Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 15:29, 12 June 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Sannita (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Wikifunctions_%26_Abstract_Wikipedia&oldid=30606821 --> == Add Z32962 to the list of suggested functions? == I think Z32962 would be a useful addition to the list of suggested functions. Can an admin please add it if others agree? [[User:Redmin|Redmin]] ([[User talk:Redmin|talk]]) 04:25, 15 June 2026 (UTC) : Please comment on [[MediaWiki talk:AbstractWikiSuggestedWikifunctions.json]]. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 04:48, 15 June 2026 (UTC) == Native labels == English Wikipedia usually displays native labels whenever applicable. Should we modify Z28016 to do the same or make a new function? [[User:Redmin|Redmin]] ([[User talk:Redmin|talk]]) 04:39, 15 June 2026 (UTC) == readiness indicator == It occurred to me that an abstract page that works well enough for one language output might be broken for another, so it would be good to have some sort of indicator in the UI of which languages might be ready for transwiki and which still need preliminaries. I'm not sure if it would be better to do this as part of the testing and error-handling, or manually (like patrolling versions, but language-specific). [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 07:12, 15 June 2026 (UTC) :: The function [[f:Z35921|NLG default text]] will be able to indicate on the target Wikipedia that the text in this language is not ready yet. Maybe sentences with this indicator, or even lemma's with this indicator could be excluded from the target Wikipedia. [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 08:52, 15 June 2026 (UTC) :::I see that in the [[#Marking NLG Default text]] section, but I am thinking more at the whole-article level; dropping a problematic fragment from the final render could change the overall meaning. [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 17:20, 15 June 2026 (UTC) == Add an LLM generator, where you can generate the schema == Hi. Please add an LLM generator, where you can ask AI to generate a schema for Abstract wikipedia. [[User:ChippyTimeCom|ChippyTimeCom]] ([[User talk:ChippyTimeCom|talk]]) 01:18, 17 June 2026 (UTC) :Do you mean an AI model to translate natural language input to abstract output? This was tinkered with before, I believe, last year—see [[f:Wikifunctions:Status updates/2025-05-09]] if you would like to read about it. This idea remained a mockup and not much more from what I can tell, but they may revisit the idea someday. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 17:40, 18 June 2026 (UTC) :: The main thing stoping one from pulling up a chatbot is that it has no knowledge of what wikifunctions are available, meaning it will probably just hallucinate them. I know Gemini has an ability to upload files, but all of Wikifunctions would be too large. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 18:58, 18 June 2026 (UTC) :::We have no obligation to use an LLM, that's just the main thing associated with the buzzword that is AI now. We can really come up with any AI model—''in a general sense''—that will fit our needs. You can do a ''lot'' with simple neural networks. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 19:33, 18 June 2026 (UTC) == Wikifunctions & Abstract Wikipedia Newsletter #253 is out: The or not the, this is (the?) question == There is [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-06-19|a new update]] for Abstract Wikipedia and Wikifunctions. Please, come and read it! In this issue, we present you a delicate question regarding grammatical framework, we talk about our next events and about the results of our latest online meetings, we discuss news about Types, and we take a look at the latest software developments. Want to catch up with the previous updates? Check [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates|our archive]]! Enjoy the reading! -- [[User:Sannita (WMF)|User:Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 12:34, 19 June 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Sannita (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Wikifunctions_%26_Abstract_Wikipedia&oldid=30701693 --> == This needs to be fixed == On tennis [[Q847]], it says "Tennis is the country of origin of England." [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-36465-63|&#126;2026-36465-63]] ([[User talk:&#126;2026-36465-63|talk]]) 07:31, 23 June 2026 (UTC) :Thanks, I've switched it around. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 09:51, 23 June 2026 (UTC) == HTML, monolingual text or String for fragments == I think there is an important issue on the Output type of parts for text segments. Currently some sentences produce String output (like [[f:Z26039]] ) or monolingual text output ( like [[:f:Z26570]] ) pr HTML output ( like [[f:Z36200]] ). Apart from not being consistent I think there is even a bigger issue: these types don't allow text to be set in bold (in the introduction sentence for instance), or wikilinks to other AW articles. Am I correct that is only allowed in HTML text? If so I think we should change ALL languages functions to output type HTML as soon as possible. [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 15:51, 24 June 2026 (UTC) :Currently, I am exploring this function for converting all of these to HTML fragment [[f:Z36303]]. [[User:Jsamwrites|John Samuel]] ([[User:Jsamwrites|talk]]) 16:46, 24 June 2026 (UTC) ::OK, thanks. [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 21:17, 24 June 2026 (UTC) :I agree that new sentence functions should be HTML. For now the old ones should be wrapped by a converter (which is best done on WF). Then all calls from AW can be to HTML producing functions. When we need bold we could either try to inject it, or write equivalent functions that will eventually replace the usage of the string ones. The string ones may still be valuable for processing some of the new NLG types, so we shouldn't actually flip the original functions. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 23:30, 24 June 2026 (UTC) ::I think wrapping the functions to HTML is delaying the solution. We either need to flip all (NLG) functions or all functions should be copied to HTML versions (and the all functions shoule not be used therafter) ::{| class=wikitable ! Option !! Pro !! Con |- | A. Wrap all fuctions to HTML || Easy to perform || This is delaying the solution |- | B. Flip all functions to HTML || Keeps tracebility || Huge impact/disturbance, especialy when cached |- | C. Copy all functions to HTML || No disturbance || Looses tracability |} :: The most practical soulution would be option C. I woluld perfer that as soon as possbile. [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 05:05, 25 June 2026 (UTC) :::I like your suggestions. Based on my personal experience with different result types from Wikifunctions, I would suggest that AW support all three and convert the results to HTML using built-in functions. [[User:Jsamwrites|John Samuel]] ([[User:Jsamwrites|talk]]) 05:19, 25 June 2026 (UTC) ::::The reason why function need to change is because the current string functions don't allow HLTM features like bold text, wikilinks etc. AW supporting all 3 type pf output could easily be avoiding by option A. [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 05:29, 25 June 2026 (UTC) :::C is fine by me. The easiest first-implementation of a copied function C is a wrapper of the monolingual/string, so A is sort of the first step of C. [[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 06:20, 25 June 2026 (UTC) ::::OK, good suggestion. [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 07:13, 25 June 2026 (UTC) :No. I really don't see why we should. These are functions that generate text fragments in a single language—the monolingual text type is the most appropriate return type for them. It is just text. They can be coerced to HTML extremely easily and doing that step ahead of time, hardcoded, for the sole purpose of making abstract articles ''marginally'' easier to write, is just not worth the effort and foregoes what makes the functions' return types suitable in the first place. If there is some argument that can be made for hard pivoting to HTML fragments then I am all ears, but I really don't see a reason for it. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 05:53, 25 June 2026 (UTC) ::I like to contradict. These functions create complete sentences, nd those should be able to use HLTM features like bold text, wikilinks etc. My current interest is to add HTML texts like <nowiki><span lang="mul ">NLG Default text</span></nowiki>. [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 06:05, 25 June 2026 (UTC) :::These additional features (bold/links etc) would benefit from additional parameters to control them. I still don't know how to do this best. I tried once at [[:f:Z32496]] and [[:f:Z32410]], but it may not be right, and may not be a complete solution anyway. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 06:26, 25 June 2026 (UTC) ::::A newer idea I had is to add all the links in the language-configured function, then call link-removing functions like [[:f:Z36853]] or [[:f:Z36831]] when composing them into AW. This could extend to swapping links for bold. Instead of an initial link, the QIDs could be wrapped with HTML spans with a QID ID, which could then be selectively converted into links or bolded etc. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 07:16, 25 June 2026 (UTC) ::Simple wrapping is just to benefit the AW editor. IMO it's worth it because it's pretty easy to make a new function, so is very low cost, and for the new editors on AW, they don't have to understand composing or our WF Types. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 06:30, 25 June 2026 (UTC) :::OK, let's start with option A, as a first step for option C. [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 07:16, 25 June 2026 (UTC) ::::I have made wrappers (option A) for some general functions like [[f:Z36983]], [[f:Z36983]]. [[f:Z36987]], [[f:Z36993]] and [[f:Z37011]]. [[f:Z32965]] already existed, but as well as the monolingual [[f:Z26095]] both have an error: Error in evaluation. Can somebody fix this? On the AW articles I have updated a few lemmas by replacing the old functions to HTML functions, but find this quite cumbersome. A few hundred lemmas should be updated, but I have no time and/or no desire to do so. In the coming weeks (or so) I will start on Option C for these functions. [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 17:51, 27 June 2026 (UTC) :::::Thanks. I'll try to help replace some of the usage. [[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 07:12, 29 June 2026 (UTC) :::::I think I've sorted out [[:f:Z32965]]. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 07:45, 29 June 2026 (UTC) :::So a bunch of bespoke functions on Wikifunctions that offer some marginal improvement over their more generalized counterparts, and we expect to do all of our language generation functions ''this way'' now or something, god forbid we expend ''one'' extra function call to just wrap the output if an injection function is really that scary to you. Wrapping the functions to HTML is not 「delaying the solution」 more than it's just the least disruptive way to approach this completely frivolous problem. Are we to write all of our NLG functions to output HTML now? That is what makes sense for us now, in the future? What? We have a type for this, it's called Monolingual text. We have Python and JavaScript at our disposal, and they are wicked biznasty at string manipulation (i.e. they are very good at it), so injecting formatting into a larger sentence instead of porting the whole thing over to use HTML exclusively is really not that big of an ask. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 07:23, 7 July 2026 (UTC) ::::Then please try to have [https://www.wikifunctions.org/wiki/Z37011?call=%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z7%22%2C%22Z7K1%22%3A%22Z37011%22%2C%22Z37011K1%22%3A%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z6091%22%2C%22Z6091K1%22%3A%22Q90%22%7D%2C%22Z37011K2%22%3A%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z6091%22%2C%22Z6091K1%22%3A%22Q5119%22%7D%2C%22Z37011K3%22%3A%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z6091%22%2C%22Z6091K1%22%3A%22Q142%22%7D%2C%22Z37011K4%22%3A%22Z1216%22%7D this] error in HTML. Currently it is ❌≪Parys (is the) haadstêd (of) Frankryk .≫❌ Please have it changed to <span style="color:magenta;">Parys (is the) haadstêd (of) Frankryk .</span> [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 09:02, 7 July 2026 (UTC) :::::Thinking about this. One way we could do this particular markup would be for default monolingual functions to return a result with special language code (perhaps mul, zxx, ...). This would require wider discussion. Then the HTML function could detect that and wrap accordingly. But it doesn't solve the general problem of injections IMO. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 02:13, 8 July 2026 (UTC) ::::::This is now working (using [mul]) at [[:f:Z37462]]. This should work for all monolingual base functions, but not for those starting with strings. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 06:49, 9 July 2026 (UTC) :::::::I updated [[f:Z36911]] and [[f:Z36909]]. I am not sure if this works as a lot is cached. The string version will probably not work yet, so I left that one using ❌≪ ≫❌. [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 08:09, 9 July 2026 (UTC) ::::::::After my post I actually made that function and test even more complicated to include a call to action (CTA): a link to the function that is not configured in the requested language. I am starting to like where this is going, and think I can even get it done with strings by recognising your ❌≪ pattern, stripping it, and replacing it with a span (and a CTA link) when it turns to HTML. Unfortunately the linking requires passing in a ZID, so might need a new general conversion function with an extra parameter. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 08:40, 9 July 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Here's what I did with a string function: [[:f:Z37497]]. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 11:31, 9 July 2026 (UTC) ::::For me, injections are not so easy. A simple one is trying to inject a link to Sydney into en:"Sydney Harbour Bridge is the closest to the ocean in Sydney." (In all languages, so sometimes the subject-object order will be reversed.) But even still, I'd really like to have good injection functions, so if you're up for making them, I'll definitely use them. If they work reliably on all NLG monolingual strings, then we can use them in the wrappers (even if you think the wrappers are frivolous), and the configurations can remain deeper on the monolingual strings. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 01:56, 8 July 2026 (UTC) :::::I've added this test at [[:f:Z37479]]. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 10:29, 9 July 2026 (UTC) == Wikifunctions & Abstract Wikipedia Newsletter #254: Working on Functions, together == There is [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-06-26|a new update]] for Abstract Wikipedia and Wikifunctions. Please, come and read it! In this issue, we report on new collaborative patterns emerging in our community, we discuss news in Types, we share some events that relate to Wikifunctions and Abstract Wikipedia at Wikimania 2026, and we take a look at the latest software developments. Want to catch up with the previous updates? Check [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates|our archive]]! Also, we remind you that if you have questions or ideas to discuss, the next '''Volunteers' Corner''' will be held on '''[https://zonestamp.toolforge.org/1783359000 July 6, at 17:30 UTC]''' ([https://meet.google.com/xuy-njxh-rkw link to the meeting]). Enjoy the reading! -- [[User:Sannita (WMF)|User:Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 09:58, 27 June 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Sannita (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Wikifunctions_%26_Abstract_Wikipedia&oldid=30724999 --> == Wikifunctions & Abstract Wikipedia Newsletter #255: Integration on test wiki and annual plan == There is [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-07-01|a new update]] for Abstract Wikipedia and Wikifunctions. Please, come and read it! In this issue, we discuss integration of Abstract Wikipedia in Test Wiki and our objectives for the new Wikimedia Foundation Fiscal Year, we remind you of the Wikifunctions and Abstract Wikipedia events at Wikimania 2026, and we take a look at the latest software developments. Want to catch up with the previous updates? Check [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates|our archive]]! Also, we remind you that if you have questions or ideas to discuss, the next '''Volunteers' Corner''' will be held on '''[https://zonestamp.toolforge.org/1783359000 July 6, at 17:30 UTC]''' ([https://meet.google.com/xuy-njxh-rkw link to the meeting]). Enjoy the reading! -- [[User:Sannita (WMF)|User:Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 08:22, 2 July 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Sannita (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Wikifunctions_%26_Abstract_Wikipedia&oldid=30755600 --> == Response to English Wikipedia criticism == Hi all, you might be aware of [[:w:en:Wikipedia:Village pump (WMF)#Abstract Wikipedia goes somewhat live and already hosts unattributed enwiki copies...|this discussion on English Wikipedia]], that raised several criticisms about the project. As a team, we [[Abstract Wikipedia:Response to English Wikipedia criticism|drafted an initial response]], that we want to run through you. If you want to suggest changes or edits, please [[Abstract Wikipedia talk:Response to English Wikipedia criticism|use the talk page]]. Please, keep a polite and constructive tone. The editing period will be '''open until July 17'''. The final result of this editing will be published on Meta, and will be linked to the English Wikipedia community. [[User:Sannita (WMF)|Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 12:18, 6 July 2026 (UTC) == Wikifunctions & Abstract Wikipedia Newsletter #256: Moving toward our first Abstract Wikipedia integration milestone == There is [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-07-08|a new update]] for Abstract Wikipedia and Wikifunctions. Please, come and read it! In this issue, we discuss further our objectives for the new Wikimedia Foundation Fiscal Year, we show the latest community tool, we remind you of the Wikifunctions and Abstract Wikipedia events at Wikimania 2026, and we take a look at the latest software developments. Want to catch up with the previous updates? Check [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates|our archive]]! Enjoy the reading! -- [[User:Sannita (WMF)|User:Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 09:43, 9 July 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Sannita (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Wikifunctions_%26_Abstract_Wikipedia&oldid=30755600 --> == Infoboxes == I changed layout of the infoboxes, to be more in line with Wikipedia's infoboxes. See for example [[f:Z36678|Z36678]] "infobox for city" used in [[Q90]] "Paris". I would like [[f:Z37625|Z37625]] "infobox row" to check if a claim exists in Wikidata, but I have difficulties with he parameters for [[f:Z27299|Z27299]] "Wikidata item has claim?". With with literal input it works but with argument references it gives an error. Who can fix this?<br> Furthermore I think it would be nice it we could add a pen-icon next to the values to be able to edit the claim on Wikidata, and pen-icon at the property to edit the label. [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 12:04, 12 July 2026 (UTC) :I was able to fix my error. Infobox rows will now only be shown when a claim exists. That will prevent errors a particular claim is missing for a particular city. [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 13:56, 13 July 2026 (UTC) ::Looks awesome. Though I was trying it with other cities (such as Chicago and Moscow) in English, and it was throwing orchestrator rate limit errors. [[User:EatingCarBatteries|EatingCarBatteries]] ([[User talk:EatingCarBatteries|talk]]) 02:41, 14 July 2026 (UTC) :I am struggling to find a function that indicates a Wikidata property type, like Property:P569 (date of birth) is a date type (Point in time?). Can anybody help? [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 09:25, 17 July 2026 (UTC) == Lexemes of property names == {{ping|HenkvD|feeglgeef|GrounderUK}} Hello. Please could anybody tell me their opinion on this question? It may be necessary to find a lexeme corresponding to the name of a property. For instance, [[f:Z28445|Z28445]] "most recent year-specific sentence about item" has a property reference as argument and needs the name of the property to be rendered in the output; the particular property could be {{Q|P1082}}. In the English implementation, the name of the property "population" is found from the WikiData property attributes, but for other languages other syntactical information such as gender may be needed, so I suppose that a link to the lexeme is required. How should the rendering function find a link to the lexeme? Is there a way to find the item corresponding to the property? Or should the syntactical information be found some other way? [[User:Strobilomyces|Strobilomyces]] ([[User talk:Strobilomyces|talk]]) 15:14, 12 July 2026 (UTC) :Ah. Now I've found {{Q|P1629}}, so i suppose that that provides a solution. Sorry to disturb you. [[User:Strobilomyces|Strobilomyces]] ([[User talk:Strobilomyces|talk]]) 15:44, 12 July 2026 (UTC) == Feedback needed on constructing a new abstract article == Hi all, I wanted to ask a couple of questions to the community regarding how easy or difficult is to construct a new abstract article. Consider I'm a newbie that wants to create a new abstract article about my home city. What would you suggest I do first? Is there a sufficiently good example I can copy and adapt? Can I add already almost everything that I would like to add (say, number of inhabitants, region where my city is, mayor of the city, stuff like that) or is there something I ''cannot'' add still? What is there and what is missing at the moment? Thanks in advance for your answers! [[User:Sannita (WMF)|Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 12:51, 13 July 2026 (UTC) :Sannita, in general it is very difficult (even for me) to construct a new abstract article from scratch. Copying from an existing article is easier, as also mentioned in [[Help:How to create an article]]. That example is also a city, so we better make that article a good example. The information you mention could be in the infobox, which is also available to use and extend (if performance permits). Creating a article by copy/paste should be done for each sentence or paragraph. Add additional sentences is still very difficult. [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 14:08, 13 July 2026 (UTC) :The biggest challenge for me would be finding the right functions to do the job. It's kinda to the point where the help article, mentioned by HenkvD, is just saying to copy other articles. The issue is with trying to add more "unique" sentence structures that may not be in every article. For example, take this: :<code>New York is known for being the financial hub for the United States</code> :More abstractly: <code>X is known for being Y for the Z</code> :If a function that does something like that doesn't exist, that pushes the user into a weird space where they may have to use a different function that may sound more robotic or be grammatically incorrect. :It's not hard to create a stub abstract article, but anything beyond that takes a lot of time and effort to find the right functions for the job. Additionally, dealing with different data types (ex: Wikidata item reference vs Wikidata item) may turn off people who aren't familiar with computer science principles. [[User:EatingCarBatteries|EatingCarBatteries]] ([[User talk:EatingCarBatteries|talk]]) 02:21, 14 July 2026 (UTC) ::The problem with copying other articles is that you need to somehow know that the article you're copying from is correct. If I wanted, for example, to make an article about some root vegetable like [[Q188614]] and copied [[Q81]] I'd be doing a very bad job because the second paragraph is written in a way that is completely untranslatable in its structure (by that I mean it is not fixable by changing [[f:Z18845]] to a function that work for all languages, the fragment itself integrates features of English grammar, such as SVO word order, and therefore needs a rewrite). ::What you probably need is a collection of Featured Articles that are written in accordance with best practices and are safe to copy from. This would make it so novice users don't start picking up anti-patterns and propagating them all over abstract Wikipedia, making them harder to fix. [[User:Warudo|Warudo]] ([[User talk:Warudo|talk]]) 15:32, 15 July 2026 (UTC) :::Absolutely correct. I've deleted that paragraph with an explanation that that kind of work is better done on Wikifunctions to construct an English renderer. [[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 12:20, 17 July 2026 (UTC) :I'm throwing together some thoughts at [[User:99of9/ArticleWriting]]. It's still very much a draft, but I hope the ideas help. Asking questions about it may help me focus on what you want. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 11:53, 17 July 2026 (UTC) :To be honest I don't think we are ready to start adding new articles at full speed. Only a few functions can be used properly, and not many functions can be used in enough other languages. Furthermore the performance is so bad that most of the functions will time-out. Personally i consider the AW articles as sandboxes to experiment on, not yet articles that are well constructed. [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 12:33, 17 July 2026 (UTC) {{tracked|T430898}} ::Single fragments usually don't time out when you first put them in. So you can usually edit productively in your first session. But then 24 hours later, the whole thing gets re-cached in a single go, none of them complete, and the errors all get cached. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 12:42, 17 July 2026 (UTC) ==Discussion at [[Meta:Requests_for_comment/The_future_of_Abstract_Wikipedia|Meta Requests for comment: The future of Abstract Wikipedia]]== [[File:Symbol watching blue lashes high contrast.svg|20px|link=|alt=]]&nbsp;You are invited to join the discussion at [[Meta:Requests_for_comment/The_future_of_Abstract_Wikipedia|Meta Requests for comment: The future of Abstract Wikipedia]]. <!-- Template:Please see --> [[User:Qcne|Qcne]] ([[User talk:Qcne|talk]]) 11:34, 14 July 2026 (UTC) == Feedback on function I created == I would ask this in the Telegram channel, but this is a longwinded question that I would like to get more detailed feedback on. First and foremost, it is seriously important that we get the ability to call functions with python/JS implementations. It would make creating these types of functions ten times faster, with the additional benefit of being easier to read. I'm relatively close to completion on a function that will create a brief introductory paragraph for species articles: '''[[wikifunctions:Z37793|Intro for species in English composition]]'''. It contains the following: * Intro (e.g. "'''''Homo sapiens''''', also known as the '''Human''', is a species of primate in the family [[Q635162|Hominidae]].") **The word "primate" in this case is a string supplied by the user and is optional - it could be anything they want (ex: humanoid, animal, bipedal creature, etc) * Year of description (e.g. "The species was described in 1758 by Carl Linnaeus.") * IUCN conservation status (e.g. "''C. lupus'' has been assessed as Least Concern by the [[Q48268|International Union for Conservation of Nature]] (IUCN).") So all together: <blockquote> '''''Dionaea muscipula''''', also known as the '''Venus flytrap''', is a species of carnivorous plant in the family [[Q156185|Droseraceae]]. The species was described in 1768 by John Ellis. ''D. muscipula'' has been assessed as Vulnerable by the [[Q48268|International Union for Conservation of Nature]] (IUCN). </blockquote> It also works when there is a lot of taxon authors:<blockquote> The species was described in 2026 by Anh Van Pham, Chung Van Hoang, Nguyen Quang Truong, Thuy Thu Thi Nguyen, Ky Danh Nguyen, Toan Canh Thai and Thomas Ziegler.</blockquote> The composition itself is basically stringing together a lot of html fragments - if you want to find a specific bit, you just scroll down to around the section of the paragraph you want. Each HTML fragment is roughly a sentence. I originally intended to add a sentence about distribution, but I didn't know how nicely that would play when [[wikidata:Property:P9714|P9714]] has a million values attached to it. Eventually I plan to integrate this translation into a system like the [[wikifunctions:Z20898|one that exists for year articles]]. I have a couple questions: * Is there any other additions to this function that I should make? Ideally, this should be data I can fetch from Wikidata. * What are the best practices to make the function easier to translate? I've tried to rely on other functions which can work with different languages (and making my own, including [[wikifunctions:Z37833|Z37833]]) * I'm still relatively new to Wikifunctions. If someone could take a look and see if there is any glaring errors or functions that exist and do what I am already doing, that'd be awesome. I am aware of a couple bugs: * The error handling is not great, and the sentence about description date has a hardcoded true value in the if function. I'm looking for a better way to deal with the errors - the main idea for this is to stop the function from generating sentences if the necessary values don't exist in Wikidata. * A function I made ([[wikifunctions:Z37808|Z37808]]) that fetches the describing authority crashes if the person does not have a label in the given language. Feel free to edit/fix anything if you want to. Thanks a ton! [[User:EatingCarBatteries|EatingCarBatteries]] ([[User talk:EatingCarBatteries|talk]]) 08:32, 17 July 2026 (UTC) :Nice one. I'll take a look. My general comment is that the extra supplied string (e.g. for the family) should not be a string, it should be a different QID. This is because in Abstract Wikipedia we can't pass in single-language strings. The function needs to somehow get from the QIDs all the way to the HTML by itself. Once you've got the structure ready, the next thing you can do is include your examples as Tests. The easiest way to make an HTML test for a function which already has a configuration is to make one with an empty validation comparison, run it, then copy the stuff it failed with into the validation. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 10:21, 17 July 2026 (UTC) ::Oh, one more structural change. Even though this is for "English", it's usually best to accept an extra parameter for the "language variant", because there are a bunch of variants of English (which, for example, may have different common names). You may not use it for now, but it's a pain to change the arguments after the function has a lot of use. [[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 10:24, 17 July 2026 (UTC) ::And if you need the "of primate" hypernym to be optional, you could include a boolean parameter to say whether or not to print whatever QID is supplied. Or another idea, (this may be controversial) you could decide that if both QIDs were the same, that was when to drop the "of human". This second method would work particularly well in AW IMHO, because it would autofill both to be the same as the page QID, so it would work from the start without even clicking a boolean (and editors could then pick another QID if they wanted a hypernym). --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) [[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 10:31, 17 July 2026 (UTC) == Wikifunctions & Abstract Wikipedia Newsletter #257: Beyond syntactic tables == There is [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-07-16|a new update]] for Abstract Wikipedia and Wikifunctions. Please, come and read it! In this issue, we discuss syntactic tables and news in Types, we show some community blogposts and tools, we remind you of the Wikifunctions and Abstract Wikipedia events at Wikimania 2026, and we take a look at the latest software developments. Want to catch up with the previous updates? Check [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates|our archive]]! We also remind you that in the next weeks these newsletter reminders will be paused, and that they will resume in mid-August. Enjoy the reading! -- [[User:Sannita (WMF)|User:Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 10:55, 17 July 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Sannita (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Wikifunctions_%26_Abstract_Wikipedia&oldid=30755600 --> == Wikifunctions Reached rate limit == When I open [[Q408]], the article is full of "Wikifunctions returned a failed response: Reached rate limit in evaluator" except for some titles and images. This happens on many other pages. [[User:Steven Sun|Steven Sun]] ([[User talk:Steven Sun|talk]]) 12:11, 21 July 2026 (UTC) :This issue is tracked in https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T430898 . The error codes sometimes get recategorised, but it ultimately seems to be some kind of rate issue. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 13:46, 21 July 2026 (UTC) == The problem of categories == As it stands, categories require you to physically type the link into the source editor (e.g. <code><nowiki>[[Category:Living people]]</nowiki></code>), which would require a page to be made, thereby nullifying the abstract page. I predict many wikis would like to be able to categorize Abstract articles, as in my opinion, any page that has substantial content (even if it doesn't exist yet) is worth categorizing. They may not populated in normal categorizes, but it could be something like this: * [[:Category:Abstract articles about living people]] * [[:Category:Abstract articles about STEM]] * [[:Category:Abstract articles about health]] * [[:Category:Abstract articles about geographic places]] * [[:Category:Abstract articles about extant species]] * and more, at the choice of the language's community <small>(similar to that of draft categories)</small><br /> Additionally, regarding only Abstract Wikipedia, it would be nice to be able to add (and see) local categories to abstract pages. We have over 2000 pages already, and the only way to find any of them is to go to [[Special:AllPages]], [[Special:LongPages]], or to click the random page button. [[User:EatingCarBatteries|EatingCarBatteries]] ([[User talk:EatingCarBatteries|talk]]) 00:09, 25 July 2026 (UTC) :Good suggestion. Can you put in a Phabricator feature request to figure out how to categorise? --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 06:40, 25 July 2026 (UTC) ::Sure! [[User:EatingCarBatteries|EatingCarBatteries]] ([[User talk:EatingCarBatteries|talk]]) 06:56, 25 July 2026 (UTC) == Suggested functions changed == I've swapped the suggested functions per the discussion on the talk page at [[MediaWiki talk:AbstractWikiSuggestedWikifunctions.json]]. Please let me know if this causes any trouble editing. In particular @[[User:Denny]], [[User:DVrandecic (WMF)]], [[User:Sannita (WMF)]], [[User:Jdforrester_(WMF)]] if will hinder your presentation, I'm happy to revert for a while if you are relying on the old list. If you're not relying on it, I'm confident that the new list is better for newcomers. Too many of them have been misled by the previous list. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 06:36, 25 July 2026 (UTC) :@[[User:99of9|99of9]]: Thanks! That looks great. [[User:Jdforrester (WMF)|Jdforrester (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Jdforrester (WMF)|talk]]) 07:12, 25 July 2026 (UTC) == "replace Abstract Wikipedia link to QID with bold" doesn't work if the label of QiD is the same of the dependency == HI, I'm creating some stubs about the capitals of the world. In case like [[Q1842|Luxembourg]] or [[Q55115|Monaco-Ville]] the funcion above doesn't work, probably because it reads twice the words Luxembourg and Monaco [[User:Mastrocom|Mastrocom]] ([[User talk:Mastrocom|talk]]) 14:54, 25 July 2026 (UTC) :I've fixed by replacing the literal value with the QID [[User:Mastrocom|Mastrocom]] ([[User talk:Mastrocom|talk]]) 16:31, 26 July 2026 (UTC) == Expanding FAQ to correct common misconceptions == re: The ongoing closure RfC on Meta, I thought it might help to make a {{Q|4345841}} for AW. I didn't feel it was my place to do so, so I gathered [[Project_talk:Frequently_Asked_Questions#Correcting_common_misconceptions,_possibly_needs_a_separate_page_AW:NOT|a list of misconceptions on the FAQ's talk page]] which can be used as a starting point. [[User:YoshiRulz|YoshiRulz]] ([[User talk:YoshiRulz|talk]]) 02:52, 28 July 2026 (UTC) :The points all have an answer now, ready for copyediting. And there's still the question of where to put them. [[User:YoshiRulz|YoshiRulz]] ([[User talk:YoshiRulz|talk]]) 03:05, 11 August 2026 (UTC) == Wikifunctions & Abstract Wikipedia Newsletter #258: Abstract Wikipedia at Wikimania == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr">There is [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-07-29|a new update]] for Abstract Wikipedia and Wikifunctions. Please, come and read it! In this issue, we discuss the presentations and workshops at Wikimania, including a features feedback request based on what we heard there, and highlight new features shipped this week including diffs for Wikifunctions. Want to catch up with the previous updates? Check [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates|our archive]]! Enjoy the reading! [[m:user:Quiddity (WMF)|Quiddity (WMF)]] 19:05, 30 July 2026 (UTC) </div> <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Wikifunctions_%26_Abstract_Wikipedia&oldid=30870212 --> == Suggestions wanted for early pilot articles to make available cross-wiki == Hey all, We're building up to the first pilot release of cross-wiki abstract articles, where one community's sysops will be able to pick some (or none) of certain abstract articles onto their wiki for their readers to see. To demonstrate the system at all, we picked five general topics: Paris and London, Wikipedia, and our commonly-used "example" topics of Douglas Adams and Jupiter. (You can see the available list at [https://abstract.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:PreviewAbstract?uselang=en Special:PreviewAbstract].) However, these are probably not the best or only topics to get started with. We're going to be only making a small selection available to start with, but we'd love your ideas of what articles are the best early demonstrators of the work you're all doing. (I appreciate that this may be influenced by which pilot wiki or wikis are using them, so happy for you to have further ideas later, of course!) What 3–5 articles do you collectively think we should add to this list? [[User:Jdforrester (WMF)|Jdforrester (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Jdforrester (WMF)|talk]]) 21:16, 5 August 2026 (UTC) : I think the proposed articles are already available on the target pilot communities/pilot Wikipedia's. I therefore propose other type or articles :* an Italian politician, only available in Italian language :* small towns in the smaller target Wikipedia's :* a species only available in one language : Furthermore I don't think the larger wikipedia's (en/de/fr/es) are open for this kind of experiments, but I could be wrong. :[[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 05:34, 6 August 2026 (UTC) ::Yeah, I heavily doubt enwiki will be open to Abstract Wikipedia integration given the fiasco that has been happening. [[User:EatingCarBatteries|EatingCarBatteries]] ([[User talk:EatingCarBatteries|talk]]) 21:54, 6 August 2026 (UTC) :I really like the diverse range of these five selected articles ([https://abstract.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:PreviewAbstract?uselang=en Special:PreviewAbstract].). I feel that we can further expand the list. We currently have [[f:User:Jsamwrites/Infoboxes|infoboxes]] covering topics such as astronomy, chemistry, media, GLAM, history, computer science, and Wikimedia movements (including Wikimania). We also have infoboxes for languages alongside inflection tables, which should particularly interest Wiktionary communities. For example, article on [https://abstract.wikipedia.org/view/en/Q11923 French grammar]. :Additionally, some of the recent articles on AW are multilingual, while others are bilingual (English and French, showcasing how we can handle tenses and pronoun usage). A more detailed selection of articles is a great way to demonstrate that Wikifunctions and Abstract Wikipedia can effectively support both simple and complex articles. [[User:Jsamwrites|John Samuel]] ([[User:Jsamwrites|talk]]) 18:55, 6 August 2026 (UTC) :: Just for your information, the French grammar article is incorrect, because both sub-level articles about pronouns are incorrect and therefore the table found on all three is wrong. "on" is a singular, third person pronoun, and always conjugated as such. Its use as a plural, first person one is purely informal/colloquial and should absolutely never be seen anywhere on Wikipedia. It is a very basic mistake that no French speaker of even rudimentary proficiency would have missed, so I wonder how this table was generated. If that is the kind of example you plan to showcase as proof of concept, or integrate into Wiktionary, I would seriously reconsider, especially since French is one of the biggest languages in the movement, not one of the much smaller ones supposedly targeted by abstractwiki. [[User:Choucas|Choucas]] ([[User talk:Choucas|talk]]) 15:09, 7 August 2026 (UTC) :::Thank you for pointing this out. This content actually comes directly from a Wikifunctions function, so I’ll fix that. [[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 18:56, 8 August 2026 (UTC) ::::{{ping|Choucas}} thanks for letting us know but I disagree and [[:en:Personal pronouns in French]] disagrees too. The fact it's informal and colloquial means it shouldn't be used in sentences but on a table showing all the possibilities, it should absolutely be present. Cheers, [[User:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[User talk:VIGNERON|talk]]) 07:48, 10 August 2026 (UTC) ::::: If you clicked on the interwiki link on my userpace, you have probably seen that like you, I am a native speaker, so there is no need to explain to me how personal pronouns work in French. If the table looked the same as on the enwiki page, with the additional columns and footnotes, then yes, there would be no harm in showing the subtleties around the use of "on". However, currently the table is three rows and two columns, with no explanation whatsoever, and within the rest of the page it clearly implied it is conjugated as a plural first person pronoun. Either there is a full table, or there is a simplified one and "on" is put in singular third person, but having it only in first person plural was just wrong. That is really the only thing I was pointing at, albeit in way less many words. [[User:Choucas|Choucas]] ([[User talk:Choucas|talk]]) 09:44, 10 August 2026 (UTC) ::::::Yes, that (I hope) was the fix I applied on Wikifunctions. The inclusion of “on” as a third-person singular pronoun was reversed this morning. Hopefully we’ll see an expanded table in due course! [[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 10:16, 10 August 2026 (UTC) :::::::@[[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] We will need a detailed table to avoid confusion. I temporarily removed it from the table. [[User:Jsamwrites|John Samuel]] ([[User:Jsamwrites|talk]]) 10:18, 10 August 2026 (UTC) ::::::@[[User:Choucas|Choucas]] For the time being, I removed "on" since it requires a detailed explanation (I will add when we are able to add more complex sentences.). However, English Wikipedia article needs to be corrected as well: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_pronouns_in_French#Subject_pronouns [[User:Jsamwrites|John Samuel]] ([[User:Jsamwrites|talk]]) 10:17, 10 August 2026 (UTC) :I think we need a process (like this but more structured) where the AW community decides which articles are ready to be "released", before they can be taken up by other wikis. Otherwise (as Choucas highlighted above), we risk losing credibility by making available drafts or serious errors. I'm not saying they need to be perfect before release, but I think it should be a community decision at this end as well as the other end (the language-wiki embedding them). Since this batch is the first, I think we should even vote on whether we support each of the 5 the team chose as ready. What do others think? --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 04:14, 8 August 2026 (UTC) ::I agree that we might need a process now in the early days, but we should when creating such policy document the ambition that we eventually would like to make it solely in the hands of the reusing community. <span style="color:#EAA">♥</span>[[User:Ainali|Ainali]] <small>^{[[User talk:Ainali|discussion]]}_{[[Special:Contributions/Ainali|contributions]]}</small> 09:52, 8 August 2026 (UTC) :::I fully agree that we need a clear process, including a decision by the AW community on the quality of the pilot articles before they are released to the target wikis. It should also be explicit which target wikis and communities are in scope. :::On [[Help:Abstract articles]], I read that English, German, French, and Spanish Wikipedias are in scope as target communities. Does this mean that, for example, the English Wikipedia community has expressed interest in participating as a pilot? :::Regarding Dagbani, Igbo, and Hausa, these languages currently have either no configured language functions or only one. Before selecting pilot articles, the process should begin with configuring and testing the necessary language functions in those languages. Only after that foundation is in place would it make sense to start identifying and evaluating potential pilot articles. [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 10:21, 8 August 2026 (UTC) ::::It’s not very clear. I think it just means that during the pilot period, any pilot community’s language would be added to the limited set of languages for which previews would be available. From the final paragraph in [[Help:Abstract articles#Language coverage]], it appears that the Abstract Wikipedia community would ultimately control which languages are supported (expecting most or all). [[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 18:27, 8 August 2026 (UTC) :::I think Abstract Wikipedia contributors need some way to indicate that an article is a draft or otherwise inadequate, based on the quality of the information it currently provides. [[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 18:41, 8 August 2026 (UTC) ::::Perhaps, but I hope we won't try for a system that requires us to that manually article by article. I imagine that we will create, for example, one good set of functions to create an abstract article about tennis players or lakes and then bot create tens of thousands in one go. And obviously we should have some high standards for when to run the bot, but it will then be unrealistic to check them one by one by hand. A tool that says which ones renders flawlessly and in which languages would be great (and even better if it can also give reports for what is missing for those who can't, like missing data on Wikidata or lexemes or lables in that language). <span style="color:#EAA">♥</span>[[User:Ainali|Ainali]] <small>^{[[User talk:Ainali|discussion]]}_{[[Special:Contributions/Ainali|contributions]]}</small> 21:34, 8 August 2026 (UTC) :::::I’m not in favour of bot-created articles. But the quality-assurance challenges exist even with changes to a single Wikifunctions function or Wikidata lexeme (for example). That’s why we will need article diffs that show how the rendered content has changed over time, not just the article structure. [[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 09:49, 9 August 2026 (UTC) ::::::Early on in the development, there was talk about "template articles" to be used for all articles of a certain topic (like soccer players or lakes). That is not in the development plan any longer. And if we neither have that nor going to create articles in bulk, I don't think I have any interest in this project any longer. <span style="color:#EAA">♥</span>[[User:Ainali|Ainali]] <small>^{[[User talk:Ainali|discussion]]}_{[[Special:Contributions/Ainali|contributions]]}</small> 10:29, 9 August 2026 (UTC) :::::::I’m just expressing my personal reservations about bot-articles. Templates and information-rich functions (like infoboxes or introductory content) are a different matter. Ultimately, I think the development plan needs to align with the needs of the content creators and content consumers, rather than the other way around (recognizing that resources are always limited, of course). [[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 10:42, 9 August 2026 (UTC) ::::::::I'm sorry, I didn't mean templates in the traditional Wikipedia sense. Rather that we have an entire abstract article as a template. Like the "canonical lake article". Which would mean that an improvement of the template improved all abstract articles about lakes (that hadn't been subst:ed and individually developed because it was a lake someone cared extra about). <span style="color:#EAA">♥</span>[[User:Ainali|Ainali]] <small>^{[[User talk:Ainali|discussion]]}_{[[Special:Contributions/Ainali|contributions]]}</small> 11:14, 9 August 2026 (UTC) :::::::::We don't have templates, but instead we do already have some intro sentences, like [[f:Z37922|Z37922]] (intro for species) and [[f:Z38757|Z38757]] (person lead sentence with occupations). Personally I think that once enough functions are available in enough languages we could create thousands of bot articles for cities, species, soccer players, lakes etc.Into senetences combined with infoboxes that would provide enough basic information in my opinion. Details information can then be added on article by article basis. [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 11:46, 9 August 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Yes, that’s what I thought. I don’t think it’s technically difficult, but the subject-specific content would generally have to come from Wikidata or Commons, wouldn’t it? I’d be more inclined to say: here are the editorial “facts” (which may or may not be present on Wikidata), and here is one standard representation of those facts (which may or may not be an article, as such). But I appreciate this is off-topic. [[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 18:50, 9 August 2026 (UTC) ::Yes. I don’t think the team have already decided that those articles are ready, but that is clearly a community decision. [[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 18:45, 8 August 2026 (UTC) :There is 2 different things here. The topics and the content. :For the topics, the list is good, albeit too general. Adding a place (maybe a small town or a building like a small chapel), a species (some kind of fish) a more mundane person (some John Doe unlike the famous Douglas Adams) would be better to demonstrate the diversity of possibilities (the "template" works for every/most human, not just for "famous" ones). I think it needs to be topics that have no article yet on most Wikipedia (unlike London that already exists on most Wikipedia). :For the content, it's an other separate matter entirely. There is improvements but we are still a bit far from the minimum expected. We should keep working on that :Cheers, [[User:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[User talk:VIGNERON|talk]]) 07:41, 10 August 2026 (UTC) :Ping on this; it'd be great to have some specific examples to add to the load testing. "an Italian politician" is fine, but ''which'' one? ''etc.'' [[User:Jdforrester (WMF)|Jdforrester (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Jdforrester (WMF)|talk]]) 18:53, 18 August 2026 (UTC) == Wikifunctions & Abstract Wikipedia Newsletter #259: Congratulations Jules*. An apple is a fruit == There is [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-08-05|a new update]] for Abstract Wikipedia and Wikifunctions. Please, come and read it! In this issue, we congratulate Wikimedian of the Year and we discuss his favourite article in relation to Abstract Wikipedia, we introduce a new Type of function on Wikifunctions, and we take a look at the latest software developments. Want to catch up with the previous updates? Check [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates|our archive]]! We also remind you that in the next weeks these newsletter reminders will be paused, and that they will resume in mid-August. Enjoy the reading! -- [[User:Sannita (WMF)|User:Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 13:19, 10 August 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Sannita (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Wikifunctions_%26_Abstract_Wikipedia&oldid=30870212 --> : While I understand the point this little apple story is trying to make, I am afraid this whole thing falls flat for a very simple reason: we are not in 2002 anymore. Wikipedia is not a wild new idealistic thing, that only years of work by passionate volunteers will prove can succeed. Even worse, this is actually showing that this new start of the road in 2026 is even rougher and less promising than how it was in 2002: indeed, at that time, absolutely anyone could come in any newly set up Wikipedia in their own language and type the equivalent of "an apple is a fruit" and be done in a matter of fifteen seconds. That is why all these apples grew: because it was as simple as adding more words in your own language, and correcting the words of others, and that was (and still is) the magic of it. Instead, Abstract is starting from scratch again, with an impossibly high technical complexity to add even the most basic sentence or correct the simplest typo, making the growth of any article an exponentially more complex endeavor. I am not blind to the charm of the idea behind Abstract, but it is hard to look at what it involves in practice and see how it makes sense in 2026. [[User:Choucas|Choucas]] ([[User talk:Choucas|talk]]) 15:33, 10 August 2026 (UTC) ::I see you've come here from the RfC.<br>The method of producing articles by translating individual sentences [[Special:Permalink/14399|is possible on AW]], but is of course antithetical to the "improve every language at once" nature of the project.<br>It's always going to be more work to add to an abstract article than just writing text, and that's acceptable because that work has a greater impact too. It will be the choice of each editor whether they want to contribute here or to a local wikitext article. [[User:YoshiRulz|YoshiRulz]] ([[User talk:YoshiRulz|talk]]) 03:03, 11 August 2026 (UTC) :::{{ping|Choucas|YoshiRulz}} you make a good point, looked at in isolation: writing one sentence is easier than writing one Wikifunction. But on Abstract Wikipédia you don't write sentence (nor translate), you set up pattern (a Wikifunction) that can be used on many articles (potentially all of them, we can imagine a point not so far away where all abstract Wikipedia pages would simply call one big general function "make an article", you can have a look at [[Q18498]]). The difference is like making an addition 1+1+1+1+... (Wikipedia method) and making a multiplication 5000*1 (Wikifunctions method). So at the start, it may seems to be more work but very quickly it's better and faster with much less work. And yes, Wikifunctions are not for everyone (just like Wiktionary, Wikimedia Commons, Wikidata are not for everyone) and won't replace Wikipedia (it goes without saying, but since it reuse the "Wikipedia" name, it should probably be said). Cheers, [[User:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[User talk:VIGNERON|talk]]) 07:03, 13 August 2026 (UTC) == Wikifunctions & Abstract Wikipedia Newsletter #260: Shoutout to User:99of9 == There is [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-08-13|a new update]] for Abstract Wikipedia and Wikifunctions. Please, come and read it! In this issue, we congratulate our own User:99of9 for his extensive work with the Wikifunctions & Abstract Wikipedia communities, we discuss what happened at Wikimania, we introduce a document for interested communities to join Abstract Wikipedia, and we take a look at the latest software developments. Want to catch up with the previous updates? Check [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates|our archive]]! 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your edits. I wanted to let you know that, in your particular use case of [[f:Z31465|''section title (H2)'']], it is better to use [[f:Z32145|''section title from Wikidata label in sentence case'']]. The representation is more compact this way; you can see on the [[Special:PermanentLink/6863|most recent revision here]]. In addition, not every language uses sentence case. The only language that is like this that I can identify is Toki Pona; "Notable work" in English should be only "<span lang=tok>musi suli</span>" in Toki Pona. Regardless, it still needs to be accounted for. Using the more compact function avoids causing this discrepancy and creates the desired behavior. In general, it is better to prioritize use of HTML fragment generation functions that interact with Wikidata items directly as they more effectively account for this. Generalizing languages is HARD, as I'm sure you are aware, so leaving it up to function editors to take care of the nuance for you rather than hard-coding it is a good methodology to edit by. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 17:56, 26 April 2026 (UTC) :@[[User:Theki|Theki]] Thanks for your comment. I will take this into account in my new creations. [[User:Jsamwrites|John Samuel]] ([[User:Jsamwrites|talk]]) 18:01, 26 April 2026 (UTC) ::Of course! Happy editing! &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 18:01, 26 April 2026 (UTC) == Duplicate == [[Abstract Wikipedia:WikiProject LGBT]] is a duplicate of [[Abstract Wikipedia:WikiProject LGBTQ+ studies]], no? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 01:10, 3 June 2026 (UTC) :Thanks. I just joined it. I created [[Abstract Wikipedia:WikiProject LGBT]] as a larger umbrella project, similar to the one on [https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_LGBT Wikidata]. [[User:Jsamwrites|John Samuel]] ([[User:Jsamwrites|talk]]) 11:42, 3 June 2026 (UTC) ::No, they should be merged. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 20:34, 5 June 2026 (UTC) :::Please go ahead. [[User:Jsamwrites|John Samuel]] ([[User:Jsamwrites|talk]]) 20:44, 5 June 2026 (UTC) == Many articles with similar content == Jsamwrites, I noticed you are creating many articles recently for languages and Wikipedia language edition. You create whole ranges of the same type of articles, all with similar content. Currently Abstract Wikipedia is more of a sandbox to experiment with functions, not yet for a collection of articles.. Thanks for contributing, but I would like you to stop adding more. It is OK to add a few articles per new function, and as I know you are also active on Wikifunctions there are be enough possibilities to contribute. Thanks again. [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 21:17, 27 July 2026 (UTC) :Thanks for your feedback! I'm exploring new article types by creating 5–10 samples of each before checking what sentences (or infoboxes) can be generated from Wikidata. My goal is to figure out how to avoid repetitive phrasing and prevent the articles from feeling uniform. To clarify, I'm not looking to add more languages or Wikimedia projects. You can find a detailed breakdown of my current functions [[f:User:Jsamwrites#Sentences|here]], based on these experiments. [[User:Jsamwrites|John Samuel]] ([[User:Jsamwrites|talk]]) 21:27, 27 July 2026 (UTC) ::Thanks for your reply. Creating 5-10 samples is OK. Keep up the good work. [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 07:27, 28 July 2026 (UTC) == Basic question == Hi there! I just started experimenting with Abstract Wikipedia and am trying to find out what's possible so far. I was wondering if I could ask you something quite basic? As I mentioned I am learning the fundamentals here and am currently interested to see what types of sentences one can already add to the project as of now. Regarding movies and books I was wondering whether there's already an elegant way to add genres? I added one genre to {{Q|246732}} using {{Z|37011}}. But of course many works of fiction have more than one genre, for this example WikiData lists two. Do you know what would be a good way to solve this? I hope its okay for me to reach out and this is not to much of a bother to you! All the best- [[User:DarkGreenAndSunny|DarkGreenAndSunny]] ([[User talk:DarkGreenAndSunny|talk]]) 13:58, 17 August 2026 (UTC) :@[[User:DarkGreenAndSunny|DarkGreenAndSunny]] Glad to help! As far as I know, there is no dedicated function for creating a genre-sentence. However, I would suggest using [https://www.wikifunctions.org/view/en/Z36218 Z36218]—a specific "property of subject is value from WD" function. You can see how I am using this function to generate a sentence for Satyricon, such as: "The genre of Satyricon is [[Q2994242|Menippean satire]]." Please check the call response on [https://www.wikifunctions.org/view/en/Z36218?call=%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z7%22%2C%22Z7K1%22%3A%22Z36218%22%2C%22Z36218K1%22%3A%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z6091%22%2C%22Z6091K1%22%3A%22Q246732%22%7D%2C%22Z36218K2%22%3A%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z6092%22%2C%22Z6092K1%22%3A%22P136%22%7D%2C%22Z36218K3%22%3A%22Z1002%22%7D Wikifunctions]. Z36218 is now widely used for articles; for example, in the article on [https://abstract.wikipedia.org/view/en/Q90 Paris]. You may have noticed that it uses only one value from Wikidata and therefore uses "is". :We have some functions, like main subjects, depicts, etc. that can handle all the values (including single value) from Wikidata using "are". You can take a look at some of these existing functions for Abstract Wikipedia [[f:User:Jsamwrites#Sentences|here]] for works, books and movies. I will try to add [[f:User:Jsamwrites#Monolingual_text|genre]] in the upcoming days. I hope this helps. [[User:Jsamwrites|John Samuel]] ([[User:Jsamwrites|talk]]) 14:16, 17 August 2026 (UTC) ::Hi @[[User:Jsamwrites|Jsamwrites]] thank you very much your answer and and the provided links. It all helped me! Appreciate you taking the time. 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[[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 21:26, 18 August 2026 (UTC) r1c9ds92fy74b2vcxxli22giyhgps65 3 5274 14860 2026-08-18T21:28:07Z HenkvD 1447 /* Welcome */ new section 14860 wikitext text/x-wiki == Welcome == {{Welcome}} Thanks for your contributions so far. [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 21:28, 18 August 2026 (UTC) t6scnn368rhomo4v7ybsl7f9li5aqwp 3 5275 14861 2026-08-18T21:29:50Z HenkvD 1447 /* Welcome */ new section 14861 wikitext text/x-wiki == Welcome == {{Welcome}} Thanks for your contributions so far. [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 21:29, 18 August 2026 (UTC) 05nctm3x9trzxgzv92529whecl4mwfp 3 5276 14862 2026-08-18T21:33:03Z HenkvD 1447 /* Welcome */ new section 14862 wikitext text/x-wiki == Welcome == {{Welcome}} Thanks for your contributions so far. [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 21:33, 18 August 2026 (UTC) 1sbogdf1oxoqud4w33nt9fmq1sd10gg 0 5277 14864 2026-08-19T04:37:00Z IrisChronomia 7297 Copy-pasting the format used in [[Q119300725]] (Soro Guefala), this one is trying to implement enwiki's description on Steve Jobs: "[Don't know how to use full name] [don't know how to insert date of b/d], was an American businessman, inventor, [don't know how to insert an "and"] investor." 14864 abstractwiki text/plain { "qid": "Q18754959", "sections": { "Q8776414": { "index": 0, "fragments": [ "Z89", { "Z1K1": "Z7", "Z7K1": "Z38757", "Z38757K1": { "Z1K1": "Z18", "Z18K1": "Z825K1" }, "Z38757K2": [ "Z6091", { "Z1K1": "Z6091", "Z6091K1": "Q30" } ], "Z38757K3": [ "Z6091", { "Z1K1": "Z6091", "Z6091K1": "Q43845" }, { "Z1K1": "Z6091", "Z6091K1": "Q205375" }, { "Z1K1": "Z6091", "Z6091K1": "Q557880" } ], "Z38757K4": { "Z1K1": "Z18", "Z18K1": "Z825K2" } } ] } } } 78ubotiq794xliia00ppdvork7rfpb3 3 5278 14867 2026-08-19T06:26:37Z 99of9 614 /* The other Steve Jobs! */ new section 14867 wikitext text/x-wiki == The other Steve Jobs! == Hi. The reason [[Q18754959]] didn't work is because that is about a film. The person is at [[Q19837]]. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 06:26, 19 August 2026 (UTC) jb9t45lur1sqdgim90gw43qyamvj749 14875 14867 2026-08-19T07:26:15Z IrisChronomia 7297 /* The other Steve Jobs! */ Reply 14875 wikitext text/x-wiki == The other Steve Jobs! == Hi. The reason [[Q18754959]] didn't work is because that is about a film. The person is at [[Q19837]]. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 06:26, 19 August 2026 (UTC) :Ahhh, bugger! This is like object-oriented programming meets relational database management all over again. :Clickbait title: Wikipedia but everything is OOP and RDBMS. [[User:IrisChronomia|IrisChronomia]] ([[User talk:IrisChronomia|talk]]) 07:26, 19 August 2026 (UTC) c46edwp00v1gjrbwur4kice3w38cr4b 14876 14875 2026-08-19T07:31:22Z 99of9 614 /* The other Steve Jobs! */ Reply 14876 wikitext text/x-wiki == The other Steve Jobs! == Hi. The reason [[Q18754959]] didn't work is because that is about a film. The person is at [[Q19837]]. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 06:26, 19 August 2026 (UTC) :Ahhh, bugger! This is like object-oriented programming meets relational database management all over again. :Clickbait title: Wikipedia but everything is OOP and RDBMS. [[User:IrisChronomia|IrisChronomia]] ([[User talk:IrisChronomia|talk]]) 07:26, 19 August 2026 (UTC) ::Don't worry, you'll soon get the hang of it. Copy your code across and I'll delete the old one. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 07:31, 19 August 2026 (UTC) ddt5wawjtjyhau88smey120s27lgdly