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= Deletion requests =
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== February 1, 2026 ==
=== [[Turkish military transport plane crashes near Georgia border, 20 dead]] ===
{{Ping|New mayo|Metropolitan90|Wikiwide|Gryllida}} notifying article contributors for awareness only.

I propose this article be retracted due to multiple failures to comply with [[WN:Plagiarism]] (proposed guideline), [[WN:CS]] (policy), [[WN:NPOV]] (policy), and [[WN:MOS]] (guideline). Taken together, these issues are sufficiently extensive that post-publication correction is not practical.

These problems were identified during the archival process. In light of [[Wikinews:Water cooler/proposals#c-Gryllida-20260111133600-Tduk-20260110041300|the reviewer’s previously stated position]] regarding the scope of their reviews, this case raises concerns about whether the review performed met the expectations outlined in policy.

The following statement &lt;del&gt;is&lt;/del&gt; &lt;ins&gt;was&lt;/ins&gt; [[WN:Plagiarism|plagiarism]]. It is not detected by Earwig, which I believe will not scan ''Reuters'' due to their Robots.txt directive. The text can be found by a manual search. It could be fixed even post-archive if it was the only issue. &lt;ins&gt;This statement was removed and a note placed on the article.[https://en.wikinews.org/w/index.php?title=Turkish_military_transport_plane_crashes_near_Georgia_border,_20_dead&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=4981005]&lt;/ins&gt;
* &quot;57 years old and had entered the Turkish Air Force in 2010.&quot;

The following statements are unsupported by the listed sources, but verifiable elsewhere:
* tail number 68-1609 [https://aeropeep.com/turkish-air-force-c130-6801609-crash-latest-findings/ verifiable]
* departed at 14:19 [https://aeropeep.com/turkish-air-force-c130-6801609-crash-latest-findings/ verifiable]

The following statements are unsupported by the listed sources:
* &quot;that has been compared by ''[[Reuters]]''&quot; Reuters didn't compare the two, only mentioned it as background. 
* &quot;seen with a smoking engine descending in a flat spin&quot; ''Reuters'' reports eyewitness accounts of fire, not smoke
* &quot;vanished from radars 27 minutes later&quot; Author's analysis maybe? 
* &quot;27 minutes after takeoff&quot; Author's analysis maybe?
* &quot;According to Georgian authorities and Turkish officials&quot;
* &quot;by November 13&quot;
* &quot;By November 14, Turkish and Georgian officials continued joint inquiries.&quot;
* &quot;and support&quot; NATO Secretary General expressed ''his'' condolences. No source supports the statement that ''NATO'' offered support or expressed condolences. 

The following are style guide issues:
* &quot;The cause of the crash remains under investigation&quot; (present tense)
* &quot;but investigations are ongoing...&quot; (present tense)
* &quot;Georgian authorities confirmed the wreckage was found near the border region.&quot; exact same sentence in lede, not an SG issue per-se, but should have been caught

Attribution: There are too many phrases to include here. Below are a few examples:
* &quot;killing all 20 military personnel on board&quot;
* &quot;vanished from radars 27 minutes later&quot;
* &quot;the wreckage was found near the border region&quot;
* &quot;all soldiers were killed&quot;
* &quot;communication was lost&quot;
* &quot;the remains of the military personnel ... were recovered by November 13&quot;
* &quot;the flight recorder (black box) was recovered&quot;
* &quot;the cause of the crash remains under investigation&quot;
* &quot;the cause of the crash remains undetermined&quot;

Please vote using {{keep}}, {{remove}}, {{neutral}}, or {{comment}} followed by signature. [[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 19:10, 1 February 2026 (UTC)

==== Comments and Votes ====
*{{keep}} My note is that the proposed level of scrutiny is too high. Articles written at the site are going to inevitably have issues and not be perfect if someone puts a few hours to check each letter. I do not see any of the above issues sufficiently major to require a retraction. If there is something that actually '''misinforms the reader about what happened''', then it may be included in a correction. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 22:07, 1 February 2026 (UTC)
*: Wikinews [[Wikinews:Archive conventions|archival policy]] limits post-publication changes to narrowly scoped factual corrections with documentation. The issues raised in this proposal extend beyond isolated factual errors and include attribution, sourcing, and structural compliance problems, which are not ordinarily addressed through post-archival edits. This is why retraction is being proposed rather than incremental correction.[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 13:05, 2 February 2026 (UTC)
*{{keep}}{{neutral}}{{comment}} While on the first glance I couldn't find &quot;smok&quot; in the text of the sources, I haven't re-read them yet. Both Al-Jazeera and Independent clearly show, in video and photograph, that the falling airplane emitted plenty of smoke even before crashing into the ground; whether it was smoking engine, smoking wing, or smoking door, I cannot say right now, I am not an airplane expert, but it was not a cigarette. I don't like the idea of removing a piece of text just because it is plagiarism; re-phrasing would be preferable, so that information would not be lost. If Reuters has such a hostile robots.txt, then some tool, Earwig or whatever else, should alert the contributors against usage of such sources - forcing humans to do Earwig job manually is not sustainable. As it is, I cannot be certain that your points about lack of attribution are valid - information had to have come from somewhere, it just needs to be found where it came from. Will re-read later. [[User:Wikiwide|Wikiwide]] ([[User talk:Wikiwide|talk]]) 23:25, 1 February 2026 (UTC)
*: To clarify; the video and photographs showing smoke are of the Turkish C-130 crash itself. However, the “smoking engine descending in a flat spin” description originates from Reuters’ background reference to a separate, 2017 US Marine Corps KC-130 accident, not from reporting on this incident. 
:: Even if the smoking engine statement was about the Turkish crash, for which there is video, Wikinews policy does not permit editors to analyze or speculate. As stated in the neutrality policy, contributors must avoid analysis and speculative interpretation unless explicitly attributed to qualified sources. In this case, we have reporting that sufficiently describes the scene without our interpretation or analysis. The change was not necessary. 
:: Lastly, while the 'smoke' wording would be a minor issue in isolation, it reflects a broader pattern in this article involving unsupported claims, attribution gaps, and style guide issues that should have been fixed during pre-publication review. The retraction proposal is based on the cumulative impact of these issues rather than any single descriptive detail.
:: The plagiarism has already been removed as a priority along with placing a reader-facing note for transparency.[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 13:27, 2 February 2026 (UTC)
* {{Remove}} (retract with statement and blanking article) There is precedent for retracting articles with fewer issues and also specifically for inadequate reviews. For example:
: 
:* [[New cave opens to the public in Indiana]] Retracted for being published while stale
:* [[North Korea launches &quot;early-stage&quot; hypersonic missile]] Retracted because reviewer added a source 
:* [[Wikinews interviews Chiaki Hayashi, Asian Projects Coordinator at Creative Commons]] Retracted due to poor interview process and for &quot;'''inadequate and incompetent review of the article'''&quot;.
: 
: I propose the following retraction statement:
: &lt;blockquote&gt;This article has been retracted because a post-publication review identified multiple policy and guideline failures, including plagiarism, unsupported and misattributed statements, sourcing gaps, attribution problems, and style compliance issues. The cumulative scope of these problems made reliable post-publication correction impractical.&lt;br&gt;The last version of the article text can be found &lt;span class=&quot;plainlinks&quot;&gt;[{{fullurl:Turkish military transport plane crashes near Georgia border, 20 dead|&amp;oldid=4981005}} here]&lt;/span&gt;.&lt;/blockquote&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 15:09, 4 February 2026 (UTC)

== January 22, 2026 ==
=== [[:Roblox player uncovers cheating, awarded Guinness World Record]] ===
State reason for deletion request and sign with [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 20:19, 22 January 2026 (UTC).

Nomination again. [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 20:19, 22 January 2026 (UTC)
==== Comments ====
nominating again with my evidence.{{unsigned|BigKrow}}
: Please add the specific evidence supporting this deletion request.
: Per [[WN:DG|deletion guidelines]] and [[Wikinews:Criteria_for_deletion#Cases_where_deletion_may_be_required]], deletion requests must clearly state the applicable criterion and the supporting rationale.
: If no evidence or criterion is provided, the request cannot be evaluated and may be removed as procedurally invalid.[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 14:20, 23 January 2026 (UTC)
: This request does not cite any applicable deletion criteria or provide a supporting rationale, so it cannot be evaluated. It has now remained open beyond the recommended, seven-day period.&lt;br&gt;For reference, a consolidated list of related discussions is available on the [[Talk:Roblox player uncovers cheating, awarded Guinness World Record#Related discussions|article talk page]].&lt;br&gt;As the reviewer of the article, I am noting my involvement for transparency. &lt;del&gt;Absent any objections, I intend to close this request on procedural grounds with no action taken.&lt;/del&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 16:23, 7 February 2026 (UTC)
::This user is promoting story on other sources as well. @[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 23:40, 7 February 2026 (UTC)

==== Votes ====
{{remove}} {{unsigned|BigKrow}}[https://en.wikinews.org/w/index.php?title=Wikinews:Deletion_requests&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=4977214]

{{abstain}} As the reviewer of the article, I am abstaining from voting.
On further consideration regarding [[#c-Michael.C.Wright-20260207162300-Michael.C.Wright-20260123142000|my previous note re:closing on procedural grounds]], I will not close this request myself. An uninvolved administrator is invited to review and take any action necessary.[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 01:23, 24 February 2026 (UTC)

== September 11, 2025 ==
=== [[Flash flooding, landslides in Pakistan leave hundreds dead]] ===
{{flag}}
This is a proposed retraction of a published article. 

As stated on the article talk page: the article contains no attribution, meaning every statement is presented in Wikivoice, asserted by Wikinews. 

Additionally, several key statements are unsupported by the sources provided (emphasis added):

* &quot;Survivors described the floods as '''sudden and catastrophic'''...&quot;
* &quot;The scale of destruction was '''unprecedented'''...&quot;
* &quot;...with '''dozens of villages''' damaged or flattened...&quot;
* &quot;The recent flash floods in Pakistan amid heavy monsoon rains have caused '''one of the deadliest natural disasters in the region'''...&quot;
* &quot;...amid '''worsening''' weather conditions...&quot;

The review summary noted that the last paragraph was “probably AI generated and needs some revision to reduce bias and make it more factual,” meaning the bias was recognized at the time of publication. A 12-hour window was provided for revisions, but the issues were not addressed. Since the article still contains unsupported statements and lacks attribution, and more than 24 hours have passed, the problems cannot be corrected without a substantial rewrite, which [[WN:ARCHIVE]] prohibits. Therefore, a correction statement is insufficient; the article should be fully retracted, with its content blanked and replaced by a retraction notice.

As stated by the original author, the article was mostly written by AI. According to [[WN:AI]] (a proposed guideline), &quot;Wikinews articles must always reflect human-reviewed accuracy, neutrality, and verification of sources.&quot; 

Given the issues with [[WN:NPOV]], [[WN:Source]], and [[WN:AI]], I propose this article be retracted. 

==== Comments ====
* {{comment}} If consensus is to remove the article, I propose the addition of the following retraction statement and a blanking of the article:
&lt;blockquote&gt;This article has been retracted because it failed to comply with our [[WN:CS|sourcing policy]], [[WN:NPOV|neutrality policy]] and recommended guidance for AI/LLM use.&lt;br&gt;The last version of the article text can be found &lt;span class=&quot;plainlinks&quot;&gt;[{{fullurl:Environmental protest in Indonesia denounces Australia's plastic waste exports|&amp;oldid=4878116}} here]&lt;/span&gt;.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

==== Votes ====
Please vote using {{keep}}, {{remove}}, {{neutral}}, or {{comment}} followed by signature

{{neutral}}, [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 18:59, 11 September 2025 (UTC)
: Could you share a bit more about your perspective? For example, do you see a preferred course of action besides retraction, or do you view the article differently than my assessment, or do you think a specific policy or guideline needs to be changed? Your thoughts could help shape consensus before the discussion closes.[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 13:09, 12 September 2025 (UTC)
::I will vote per nom. Thanks @[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 14:59, 12 September 2025 (UTC)
:::I didnt get it. Why not do &quot;correction&quot; by removing biased words? [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 20:44, 13 September 2025 (UTC)
:::: [[WN:Archive]][[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 14:48, 14 September 2025 (UTC)
: {{remove}} Since this was &quot;mostly&quot; AI generated and includes several unsupported statements, I think we should retract the article. We need to ensure we are not allowing &quot;AI Slop&quot;[https://www.theverge.com/report/756810/wikipedia-ai-slop-policies-community-speedy-deletion] to creep into Wikinews.[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 01:57, 24 September 2025 (UTC)
: {{remove}}, we should not keep AI-generated articles. [[User:Ternera|Ternera]] ([[User talk:Ternera|talk]]) 21:32, 17 November 2025 (UTC)
::Why though? @[[User:Ternera|Ternera]] [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 21:45, 17 November 2025 (UTC)
:::It is prone to including errors and honestly, it's a more lazy way of writing that does not take much effort. We should focus on keeping quality articles only in my opinion. [[User:Ternera|Ternera]] ([[User talk:Ternera|talk]]) 21:52, 17 November 2025 (UTC)
::::I love AI though maybe that makes me &quot;lazy too&quot;. [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 22:01, 17 November 2025 (UTC)
::::: I think we can differentiate between AI-assisted and AI-generated. AI-assisted is permitted, even encouraged for some uses, as briefly discussed in [[Help:AI]].
::::: AI-generated is frowned upon, discouraged, and in our proposed [[WN:AI]], forbidden.[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 01:08, 18 November 2025 (UTC)
::&lt;strike&gt;{{remove}} per nomination&lt;/strike&gt; [[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2025-42360-72|&amp;#126;2025-42360-72]] ([[User talk:&amp;#126;2025-42360-72|talk]]) 23:55, 21 December 2025 (UTC)
:::I have stricken the vote from the above temp. account. It was only active for seven days in December, 2025 and was likely a vandal, though never blocked. [[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 00:12, 11 March 2026 (UTC)
: This request has been open for several months and participation has been limited. &lt;br&gt;If anyone has additional views on the appropriate resolution—whether correction &lt;br&gt;or retraction—please add them.
: Otherwise, the discussion may be ready for closure.[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 00:18, 11 March 2026 (UTC)
::1. I am {{weak oppose}} to deletion, because event was occurred and there is a proposal to salvage article as shown below.
::2. Suggest reword 2nd and 3rd para as one para as follows:
::&quot;Dozens of villages were damaged or flattened. Emergency response efforts were in progress.  Happening amid heavy monsoon rains, there were hundreds dead.  Emergency authorities and communities faced challenges with rescue and recovery. The rain was ongoing at the time of the report as the government was continuing rescue operations.&quot;
::This goes to 102, barely above the word limit for an article. I tried to make it as neutral and unambiguous as possible.
::and add correction notice 
::&quot;In this article several statements about the extent and impact of the torrential rains were over exaggerated, and opinion was presented as fact, going against [[WN:NPOV|neutrality]] requirement. This has been corrected by removing opinionated pieces and shortening the text.&quot;
::Regaɾds, -- [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 00:31, 11 March 2026 (UTC)
::: &gt; ''Dozens of villages were damaged or flattened.''
::: Which source supports that and how?
::: &gt; ''Emergency authorities and communities faced challenges with rescue and recovery.''
::: Who actually said this? It should be attributed. 
::: &gt; ''The rain was ongoing at the time of the report''
::: Which source supports that and how?[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 01:01, 11 March 2026 (UTC)
::::ok, cbs news wrote: 
::::* One resident told AFP that the flash floods felt like &quot;the end of the world&quot; as the ground shook with the force of the water
::::article text can be:
::::* One of the survivors described the floods as catastrophic
::::cbd news wrote:
::::* &quot;Mohammad Khan, 53, said the floods &quot;came so fast that many could not leave their homes.&quot;&quot;
::::article text can be
::::* one of the survivors described the floods as sudden
::::bbc source text was:
::::* In the Indian-administered part of Kashmir, rescuers pulled bodies from mud and rubble on Friday after a flood crashed through a Himalayan village, killing at least 60 people and washing away dozens more.
::::ai hallucinated as:
::::* Dozens of villages were damaged or flattened.
::::should be
::::* Pir Baba and Malik Pura villages were most hit by the heavy rains, with most fatalities reported in these areas.
::::re &quot;Emergency authorities and communities faced challenges with rescue and recovery.&quot; could remove that part.
::::leaving with this thing to put for 2nd and 3rd para:
::::* CBS News reported some survivors describing floods as sudden or catastrophic. Emergency response efforts were in progress. Happening amid heavy monsoon rains, there were hundreds dead. CBS News also reported excessive rains being increasingly common in the India's Himalayan regions and Pakistan's northern areas, attributing them to climate change.
::::* Correction text:
::::** In this article several statements about the extent and impact of the torrential rains were over exaggerated, and opinion was presented as fact, going against [[WN:NPOV|neutrality]] requirement. This has been corrected by removing opinionated pieces and shortening the text. A passage was added to clarify the location and cause as required by [[WN:5W|5W]].
::::This is kind of stretched out, because not supposed to expand article after it was published. I tried to do minimal additions to just barely meet the 100 words requirement. If this is an sisue, then, I think can ignore that rule and go with
::::* CBS News reported some survivors describing floods as sudden or catastrophic. Emergency response efforts were in progress. Happening amid heavy monsoon rains, there were hundreds dead.
::::* Correction text:
::::** In this article several statements about the extent and impact of the torrential rains were over exaggerated, and opinion was presented as fact, going against [[WN:NPOV|neutrality]] requirement. This has been corrected by removing opinionated pieces and shortening the text. The article became shorter than the required length, and was preserved for archival purposes.
::::[[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 02:00, 11 March 2026 (UTC)
::::: Which of the above reflects your intended proposal? Please implement the version you consider appropriate and leave the changes unsighted so they can be evaluated.[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 13:44, 6 April 2026 (UTC)

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== ~2026-19034-96 ==

spamming nonsense Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 16:27, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

:{{done}}
:Courtesy link (all edits are now deleted): [[Special:Contributions/~2026-19034-96]]. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 16:29, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

== Still blocked from responding to WN migration thread by bot attack filter ==

Hi folks, I and my fellow Miraheze representative (@RhinosF1) are still unable to respond to any inquiries on [[Wikinews_talk:Migration]], with any action taken now hitting the Abuse filter restriction labeled as Bot Attack Filter.

@[[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]], giving you a heads up as our original report of the issue on the AAA board in Nov went unaddressed, that's why further communication on the matter from Miraheze folks got stalled. --[[User:NotAracham|NotAracham]] ([[User talk:NotAracham|talk]]) 17:07, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

:I agree that an admin should delete the filter due to a very high rate of false positives. [[User:Codename Noreste|Codename Noreste]] ([[User talk:Codename Noreste|talk]]) 18:13, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:I've switched the filter to log-only for now. Seeing as the creator is not very active any more, I've boldly made the change. If this causes an issue, a local admin can feel free to revert me. [[User:Ternera|Ternera]] ([[User talk:Ternera|talk]]) 18:22, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::Thanks [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 08:54, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:Thanks folks, that did the trick.  Will add any pending replies. --[[User:NotAracham|NotAracham]] ([[User talk:NotAracham|talk]]) 19:27, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

== ~2026-19884-13 ==

* {{User|~2026-19884-13}}
Spam. [[User: Tenshi Hinanawi|Tenshi!]] ([[User talk: Tenshi Hinanawi|Talk page]]) 09:16, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

:{{done}} —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 11:14, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

== {{User|Route 2026}} ==

{{User|Route 2026}} This username is similar to mine, but it has absolutely no connection to me. Furthermore, when this user created his/her user page, he/she sets it to redirect to my user page (not created), which I felt was an intentional attempt to cause confusion. I believe he/she should be blocked for using an inappropriate username.[[User:Route 2025|Route 2025]] ([[User talk:Route 2025|talk]]) 16:48, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

:{{done}} That is just weird. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 04:48, 1 April 2026 (UTC)

== Requesting unprotection ==

Hi, can you please unprotect my user page ([[User:Daniel]])? It has some sort of legacy protection that prevents me from editing it. Need to clean up. Thanks, [[User:Daniel|Daniel]] ([[User talk:Daniel|talk]]) 02:02, 1 April 2026 (UTC)

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== Outdated idea ==

This idea that seems a bit outdated, so I made some changes to emphasize that all articles should go through review, even if one editor feels something is &quot;breaking&quot;. People abuse the &quot;breaking&quot; tag way too much as it is anyways. See prior discussion here: [[Wikinews_talk:Reviewing_articles#Breaking]], and common practice of usage of {{tl|Review}} with {{tl|Peer reviewed}}, etc. All articles should go through an independent review prior to {{tl|publish}}, &quot;breaking&quot; or not. '''[[User:Cirt|Cirt]]''' ([[User talk:Cirt|talk]]) 13:29, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

== Mail form ==
Instead of (or in tandem with) a &lt;tt&gt;mailto&lt;/tt&gt; tag for submitting stories, how about a webform to submit stories (which can then email them to the appropriate address)?  Not everyone has a mail program installed, and it's a PITA to copy the address, open webmail, and paste it in.  Just an idea... :)  /[[User:Blaxthos|Blaxthos]] ([[User talk:Blaxthos|talk]]) 09:48, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

== Breaking news ==

What's the definition for 'breaking news'? Thanks [[User:Kayau|Kayau]] ([[User talk:Kayau|talk]] &amp;middot; [[Special:Contributions/Kayau|contribs]]) 15:29, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
: The practical definition seems to be &quot;may change rapidly, so [[wikt:heads up|heads up]].&quot;  See {{plainlinks|{{fullurl:Barack Obama announces 2012 re-election bid|action=historysubmit&amp;diff=1208078&amp;oldid=1208074}}|this diff}}.  --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|talk]]) 16:27, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
::Thanks! But... how's ''that'' defined? :P [[User:Kayau|Kayau]] ([[User talk:Kayau|talk]] &amp;middot; [[Special:Contributions/Kayau|contribs]]) 16:33, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
:* It should be reserved for stories which will require the article significantly updated during the 24hrs post-publish. Those are things like major disasters where casualty figures can rise rapidly. I would advise that in such cases you avoid numbers in the article title &amp;ndash; or lede when up as a main page lead &amp;ndash; then the actual figure changes don't require multiple edits on more than one page or template. --[[User:Brian McNeil|''Brian McNeil'']] / &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Brian McNeil|''talk'']]&lt;/sup&gt; 16:34, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

== 2 dead body's found on an known place ==

Two bodies found near oilvenhoutbosh.                They foumd two bodies near olivenhoutbosh the leader of one politics has killed her mother's boyfriend she said that she killed her mother's boyfriend  with her someone the police found bones they are still busy on the case 

Stay connected for more [[User:Sobayi|Sobayi]] ([[User talk:Sobayi|talk]]) 19:39, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

== Hayat Hotel terror attack in Mogadishu Somalia ==

Multiple sources report an ongoing assault on the Hayat Hotel and previous explosions orchestrated by the al-Shabaab terror group in the area around K-4 and Wadada Waaberi.

Updates indicate that Somali forces continue to clash with al-Shabaab fighters in the hotel, and it is currently unknown how many militants remain in the area. Initial reports indicated that at least 17 people were killed.

Updates report that at least eight civilians have been killed, as well as an unspecified number of al-Shabaab militants. The full extent of casualties has not been immediately specified. The Intelligence Chief of Mogadishu has been either killed or injured.

An unspecified number of people may remain trapped in the hotel, including government officials. However, at least 30 people have been rescued. Al-Shabaab has targeted the hotel multiple times in recent years. [[Special:Contributions/95.7.210.90|95.7.210.90]] ([[User talk:95.7.210.90|talk]]) 15:14, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

== El nino update: 2023 ==

El nino it is here with us, but then no body is prepared for. The planet has been in control of la Nina the past 3 years no body is expecting such phenomena but you better be ready of the unpredictable as a strong el nino is coming by winter. The forecast say that&quot;there is now a 86% chance of el nino coming by winter and there is 56% chance that it might be a strong one&quot;.Met who is known as MosesKituku said&quot;this el nino is already here with us so it is our responsibility to start acting by how it affects your climate region.&quot; We all know that it affect the horn of africa with above normal rain so they need to prepare for that.So,keep updated on the el nino update on this page. [[User:Newsmenter|Newsmenter]] ([[User talk:Newsmenter|talk]]) 20:02, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

:The purpose of this post is unclear. If you want to write an article about {{w|El Niño}}, please read [[WN:INTRO]] and start the article with proper sources. --[[User:SVTCobra|'''SVT''']][[User Talk:SVTCobra|''Cobra'']] 20:43, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
::I've already read but pls show me an example of article. [[Special:Contributions/105.161.202.58|105.161.202.58]] ([[User talk:105.161.202.58|talk]]) 18:00, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
:::I don't know if you are [[User:Newsmenter]] and forgot to log in, but 'example' articles are every published article on the main page and in the archives. [[User:SVTCobra|'''SVT''']][[User Talk:SVTCobra|''Cobra'']] 18:07, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

== Floods in South Korea. ==

Flooding and landslides in South Korea leave at least 40 people dead and 6 others missing. [[User:Jabulile Vincent|Jabulile Vincent]] ([[User talk:Jabulile Vincent|talk]]) 05:29, 24 July 2023 (UTC)

== Etherpad ==

There is something that completely avoids edit conflicts [https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/ Etherpad]. Keep that in mind for the next high-speed collaboration. [[User:Itu|Itu]] ([[User talk:Itu|talk]]) 12:01, 28 July 2024 (UTC)

== Added a brief explanation of 'breaking' ==

I've noticed a few instances where {{tl|breaking}} may have been applied inappropriately, so I thought it would be helpful to add a general definition of what qualifies as &quot;breaking&quot; news. I added a short, suggestive statement in [https://en.wikinews.org/w/index.php?title=Wikinews:Breaking_news&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=4862569 this diff] to help guide usage without being overly strict. —[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 00:52, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

== Poems ==

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== Clarification: use of administrative undelete on articles authored by the admin ==

:See the original discussion: [[User talk:Gryllida#Unilateral undeletion]]

Non-administrators cannot undelete articles themselves and must instead request undeletion. This effectively ''requires'' non-administrators to request undeletion. Administrative tools should not be used to bypass the same undeletion process that applies to non-administrators.

A situation arose recently involving [https://en.wikinews.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&amp;logid=4246553 the undeletion of an article] that had been deleted through the normal [[WN:PROD]] process. The article was subsequently undeleted by the same administrator who originally authored it, with the intent of continuing development.

This raises a process question about the appropriate use of administrative tools.

[[Wikinews:Undeletion guidelines]] indicates that articles deleted following process should normally have an undeletion ''request'' if they were wrongly deleted. In this case, the article was properly deleted according to policy, no undeletion request was filed, and the article was restored directly by the author using their administrative privileges.

The questions for the community are:

:Is it appropriate for an administrator to undelete an article they authored after it has been deleted through a normal process such as [[WN:PROD]]?

:If non-admins can't undelete unlilaterally, shouldn't admins abide by the same rules that are effectively forced on non-admins? If the author believes the deletion was incorrect, should the expected course instead be to request undeletion or seek community input?

The goal here is not to revisit the merits of the specific article, but to clarify expectations around the use of administrative tools when an administrator has a direct editorial interest in the page, which may raise conflict-of-interest concerns.

Community input would be appreciated so that we have a clearer shared understanding going forward.[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 23:40, 4 March 2026 (UTC)

:I do not understand the admins vs non-admins analogy. For any user who asks, for Gatwick purpose, I would undelete immediately. I don't see a need for me to ask another admin in that scenario. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 12:09, 5 March 2026 (UTC)
:: The guideline states clearly: &quot;Articles which were deleted following process should only have an undeletion request if they were &quot;wrongly&quot; deleted...&quot;
:: This article was neither deleted wrongly, nor was an undeletion request made. 
:: &gt; ''For any user who asks, for Gatwick purpose, I would undelete immediately.''
:: That's not what you did [[Wikinews:Admin action alerts/Archive 13#Restoration of deleteed work|for Tduk]]. You instructed them to make an undeletion request.[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 13:55, 5 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Are you suggesting Gryllida should have made a request on the noticeboard and then performed the action themselves? Although even then, I think you are misinterpreting, for one reason another, what was asked of me. [[User:Tduk|Tduk]] ([[User talk:Tduk|talk]]) 00:35, 6 March 2026 (UTC)
:::: What was asked of you?
:::: {{tq|I was told to post here requesting the restoration...(by @Gryllida)}}[https://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikinews:Admin_action_alerts/Archive_13#c-Tduk-20251113121700-Restoration_of_deleteed_work], [https://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikinews:Admin_action_alerts/Archive_13#c-Tduk-20251113121700-Tduk-20251113121700]
:::: I interpret that as you were asked to post at WN:AAA requesting an undelete. Which contradicts her statement that she &quot;would undelete immediately.&quot;[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 00:48, 6 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::It was 11pm, I needed sleep, AAA was faster option. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 01:35, 6 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::(and then I undeleted it as soon as I got back online, not on that day but on some other day - as soon as my workload permitted). the point was that I would not wait for a vote, I would undelete on request as soon as I would be able to. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 01:36, 6 March 2026 (UTC)
:Let me ask a simple question: ''Why was the undelete done?'' Later gatwicking, perhaps? I have deleted many of my own articles (that were a train wreck), but I don't think I have ever undeleted my own stuff. I hope discussions (everywhere) can be focused on the betterment of this project.--[[User:Bddpaux|Bddpaux]] ([[User talk:Bddpaux|talk]]) 18:59, 6 March 2026 (UTC)
:: The explanation provided in the article talk page is:  &quot;bom provided new info and a photo - exclusive content.&quot;[https://en.wikinews.org/wiki/User_talk:Gryllida/New_CEO_of_Bureau_of_Meteorology,_Australia,_announces_AU$96.5M_website_upgrade_bill#c-Gryllida-20260220220700-BigKrow-20260220132100]
:: The concerns raised by [[User talk:Gryllida#Unilateral undeletion|my original post]] to Gryllida's talk page are:
::# It was an administrative action taken by Gryllida on a page where Gryllida is the author
::# Non-administrators cannot undelete [their own] articles at will, therefore administrators should not do so either. 
:: 
:: Starting a new article is, in my opinion, the best route here (the original draft is from November, 2025). However, an undeletion request at [[WN:DR]] is an easy alternative, to avoid the perception that one can or should use advanced flags for their own editorial interests, which is what was done here. 
:: The article has since been userified at [[User:Acagastya|Acagastya's]] prompting, so the immediate problem of stale content in main space has been addressed. 
:: The broader question remains; Is it appropriate for an administrator to undelete an article they authored after it has been deleted through a normal process such as WN:PROD?[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 22:36, 6 March 2026 (UTC)
:::[[Wikinews:Proposed deletion]] doesn't shed any light on this issue, but {{W|Wikipedia:Proposed deletion}} is fairly clear about it : &quot;''An administrator may decide on their own to restore a page that has been deleted after a proposed deletion without having to make the request at Requests for undeletion. A user may request undeletion as per Wikipedia:Why was the page I created deleted? § Undeletion.''&quot; Maybe WN policy needs some elaboration. [[User:Tduk|Tduk]] ([[User talk:Tduk|talk]]) 23:52, 6 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I support that concept. ''Undeletion'' just isn't something I've engaged with much, and certainly not on my own contributions.--[[User:Bddpaux|Bddpaux]] ([[User talk:Bddpaux|talk]]) 00:09, 7 March 2026 (UTC)
:::: Then [[w:WP:TOOLMISUSE]] should also inform the discussion:&lt;br&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Common situations where avoiding tool use is often required:&lt;br&gt;Conflict of interest or non-neutrality – Administrators should not normally use their tools in matters in which they are personally involved.&lt;/blockquote&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 00:29, 7 March 2026 (UTC)
:::: We could also consider [[w:WP:RAA]]
:::: &lt;blockquote&gt;Administrators may disagree, but administrative actions should not be reversed without good cause, careful thought, and (if likely to be objected to), where the administrator is presently available, a brief discussion with the administrator whose action is challenged.&lt;/blockquote&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 00:33, 7 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Thanks for those additional notes. To summarize, you provided quotes from ENWP pages, which suggest consulting an admin before challenging their action; and not using admin tools for personal gain/interest. 
:::::I am happy to hear the above, however, trying to make this a 'news site' more than 'a wiki', a few notes on top of it,
:::::* ENWP policies or guidelines do not all fully apply here. They may in some cases be a useful baseline.
:::::* I don't know of an example scenario when an admin could abuse the admin privilege for 'personal gain/personal interest' leading to reduced quality of content of a wiki. The only example I can think of is 'unblock a disruptive user who is a family member' or 'edit a protected page to advertise a personal business' or some other thing. I believe that 'undelete my own page to resume work on it' is substantially less severe than these examples.
:::::* I would suggest not banning restoring pages for Gatwick (even if they were deleted in process, were not marked as OR, etc.). I believe that prior edit history and talk page content may be useful for future work. The purpose of this suggestion is to make as much prior collaboration available as possible for future news writing work, I believe this makes it more efficient.
:::::* I would suggest allowing page undeletion (even if it was deleted by another admin) '''without need to request permission'''. The purpose of this suggestion is to avoid delays in the case 'admin 1' is away; news may lose its 'freshness' by hour and day by day.
:::::* I would suggest instead to instead require that the involved admin who deleted the page, is ''notified'' of the action that was done. Waiting for that admin to reply may delay news work. Requiring admin 2 to notify admin 1 with note 'Hi, I undeleted a page you deleted, (I / another user who made a request) is going to (continue to work on/Gatwick) it'. The purpose of this suggestion is to avoid delays in the case 'admin 1' is away; news may lose its 'freshness' by hour and day by day.
:::::* I would suggest that 'Administrators should not normally use their tools in matters in which they are personally involved.' does not apply to undeleting my own pages, provided the 'admin 1' in scenario shown above was ''notified'' of the action that was taken. The purpose of this suggestion is to avoid delays in the case 'admin 1' is away; news may lose its 'freshness' by hour and day by day.
:::::* I would suggest that software is developed so that users are notified with a talk page message when an article they edited, is tagged as abandoned. This is just in case a notification was not configured, or was missed.
:::::There is another approach, &quot;admin 2 asks admin 1 for permission to undelete. if the permission was not provided in (N hours), then request is made at a wiki forum (AAA, WN:UNDR, whatever) where another admin may action it to avoid involvement of admin 2 in undeleting own work&quot;. I do not like that approach because it involves delays. But I could live with it if needed.
:::::There is another approach, not undeleting pages deleted 'in process', I am least comfortable with it, but I can live with it too if this is what was wanted out of this discussion. I can copy/paste a last revision to a new page. I would be a bit unhappy with this as this loses transparency hiding contributions of other users to that revision, and talk page content of previous page is lost.
:::::I am happy to hear your thoughts about each of the above points how to resolve this to work as a &quot;news site&quot; with rapid work without compromising basic principles of respect and integrity as a team.
:::::Thanks. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 10:01, 7 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::I'd like to point out that @[[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]]'s stances, to me, seem consistent with those we have discussed in the past, and have not been changed because of this recent event. 
::::::I'd also add that I've found the aggressive deletion policy on this site to be problematic, and so would suggest that a lot of this could be avoided if, for instance, instead of deleting stale pages, they are moved to userspace (with perhaps a timer; but also, restoring a deleted page to userspace should also be uncontroversial, as should moving such a page to mainspace; in my view, this action also was fairly uncontroversial, and is easily one of these least controversial things I have seen on this site, yet for some reason it is being focused in great detail). [[User:Tduk|Tduk]] ([[User talk:Tduk|talk]]) 10:45, 7 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Yeah, as an admin I would personally be a lot more concerned about, say, an unblock of a user I blocked than a undelete of a page I deleted. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 11:27, 7 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::: The process of keeping the project free of failed-to-publish work is well established and has been long-practiced. It is one of the key differences between a journalism project and an encyclopedic project.&lt;br&gt;Our undeletion process is well defined with a simple guideline. As has been stated long ago:[https://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikinews:Deletion_requests/Archives/2020#c-Pi_zero-2020-05-10T17:46:00.000Z-DannyS712-2020-05-09T23:57:00.000Z] &quot;We *have* been quite willing to undelete old failed articles for the sake of a new development...&quot;&lt;br&gt;In the case that prompted this discussion, the first undeletion, was not directly challenged. It was [[User talk:Gryllida/New CEO of Bureau of Meteorology, Australia, announces AU$96.5M website upgrade bill#c-Michael.C.Wright-20260220150200-BigKrow-20260220132100|noted on the talk page]], but not challenged.&lt;br&gt;Then the article sat with a focal event and sources that are ''months'' old. &lt;br&gt;The article was not further developed. &lt;br&gt;It was then marked as stale (even OR goes stale) but not further developed. &lt;br&gt;It was then marked as abandoned and no development was done, no update provided, and it was not userified. &lt;br&gt;It was then deleted again as abandoned. ([[WN:PROD]] offers no exceptions for OR).&lt;br&gt;At each point of deletion, the article demonstratively had not improved the project. It still hasn't. &lt;br&gt;Three things could have been done to avoid this whole fiasco, all without changes to policy, guidelines, or procedures: 
:::::: 
::::::# Actual development after the first undeletion.
::::::# A new article started, i.e., in [[Wikinews:Prepared stories]]
::::::# An undeletion request made
:::::: 
:::::: As [[User:Acagastya|Acagastya]] has said in a [[Wikinews:Deletion requests/Archives/2020#Wikinews:Story preparation/US judge rules Ocean City, Maryland, ban on public nudity legal|previous undeletion request]], &quot;If you have prepared the questions already -- request UDEL when answers are available.&quot;
:::::: I would add that #1 above does not address the main question here and is not what I would recommend in the future for cases of ''involvement''. I think we still need to decide if an admin can use advanced flags in cases where they are involved.[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 14:15, 7 March 2026 (UTC)
{{od}} I don't understand what the concern is about?  Is it about admins having few perms which they can use which non-admins can't?  XOR is it that why things weren't userified immediately?  Admins can do a lot of thigns non-users can't like blocking someone, or undeleting something from main space (non-published articles) for testing purpose, or reverting edits -- they don't need to ask anyone for that, because admins are trusted with usage of these tools with the years worth of community's functioning, traditions, knowledge and common sense.  You can see that on the same page you have cited how things have been UDEL'd before.  Instead of making this a big deal, let's stick to how things have been done; informing the community as to why you are UDELing non-test pages so there is a written record ({{ping|Gryllida}} -- this is something you should do), and then actually working on it.  If that is not happening, then goes to deletion again.  In case if it is an OR where the answers are already there for the interview, userify it -- despite that being something I personally didn't agree with, pizero and the rest of the community was of the opinion (and something practiced by the community) to userify those articles.&lt;br&gt;[[User talk:Acagastya|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #000; box-shadow: 0 0 7px #5de; padding-left:2.5px; padding-right:2.5px; border-radius:10px;&quot;&gt;•&amp;ndash;•&lt;/span&gt;]] 14:36, 7 March 2026 (UTC)
: The concern is primarily that the undelete was performed by the admin who authored the article. I have already acknowledged[https://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikinews:Water_cooler/policy#c-Michael.C.Wright-20260307141500-Gryllida-202603071001] that we undelete for further development. But further development has still not happened.&lt;br&gt;The issue simplified is; an admin wrote an article that failed to be published and it was eventually abandoned and deleted. The admin undeleted the article then abandoned it again and it was deleted. The admin undeleted the article a second time, then abandoned it again. &lt;br&gt;To your question about why this has become a &quot;big deal,&quot; it wasn't at first. The admin’s involvement was [[User_talk:Gryllida/New_CEO_of_Bureau_of_Meteorology,_Australia,_announces_AU$96.5M_website_upgrade_bill#c-Michael.C.Wright-20260220150200-BigKrow-20260220132100|noted on the article talk page]] after the first undeletion, and no further action or objection was raised at the time because—had timely development occurred—it likely would not have been a big deal. &lt;br&gt;The repeated 'undelete then abandon' process exacerbated the issue. It could be perceived as misusing one's position and tools as an admin to circumvent processes non-admins don't have the privilege to circumvent to advance their own editorial interests.[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 16:13, 7 March 2026 (UTC)
::Shouldn't that be flagged at the first instance, then?  Anyway, as long as a mainspace page is not for testing purposes, please put it in the appropriate location when you are going to UDEL it -- and then work on it.  I don't see a reason to stray away from that and this can be put to rest. [[User talk:Acagastya|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #000; box-shadow: 0 0 7px #5de; padding-left:2.5px; padding-right:2.5px; border-radius:10px;&quot;&gt;•&amp;ndash;•&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:32, 7 March 2026 (UTC)
*I don't see a problem with an administrator undeleting their own article here at Wikinews. But they should (a) notify the administrator who had originally deleted the article, and (b) then work on the article to justify the undeletion. That said, if the article is undeleted by the admin/article creator, but then ''doesn't'' get worked on and winds up being deleted again, I don't see that as the admin/article creator &quot;advancing their own editorial interests&quot;; the article would in that circumstance never have gotten published and thus the article creator's editorial interests would not have been advanced at all. --[[User:Metropolitan90|Metropolitan90]] ([[User talk:Metropolitan90|talk]]) 20:24, 8 March 2026 (UTC)
*:i was wondering about that notify thing too, as you saw i mentioned it above. could the wiki software notify semi-automatically? or maybe wiki software to provide a button to send a custom msg to last deleting admin? [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 21:52, 8 March 2026 (UTC)
*::Shouldn't be for that specific admin, put it in WC, (or) in appropriate location. [[User talk:Acagastya|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #000; box-shadow: 0 0 7px #5de; padding-left:2.5px; padding-right:2.5px; border-radius:10px;&quot;&gt;•&amp;ndash;•&lt;/span&gt;]] 23:05, 8 March 2026 (UTC)
*:::i had just added a tag on article page explaining status change, thought thatd be the easiest place to check [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 00:23, 9 March 2026 (UTC)
*::: If we are going to allow admin to undelete their own articles, would it be simpler and cleaner to post all such undelete notices in [[WN:DR]] as is the current process? If an admin is going to undelete their own work, they can post the notice/request in [[WN:DR]] and simply ping the deleting admin as a courtesy and give it a short amount of time to allow for any objections or questions to be raised by either the deleting admin or the community.[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 02:21, 10 March 2026 (UTC)

== How do articles get to stay on the front page instead of more recent articles? ==

Two recent articles, [[Randwick City Council opens public consultation about parking near beaches: ''To pay or not to pay?'']] and [[Caloundra wins first game in Australian soccer's Football Queensland Premier League 2 competition]] have already been taken out of the five main slots on the front page, even though they were published on March 6 and March 3, respectively. Meanwhile, [[Musical performance presented by Striped Light in Long Island City, New York showcases four performers]] (published Feb. 28, about an event on Feb. 16) and [[Poets gather for reading at Ray's Pizza in New York City]] (published Feb. 12, about an event on February 1) are still featured on the front page.

Do we have a policy about articles that get preferences to stay on the front page longer than more recent articles? -- [[User:Metropolitan90|Metropolitan90]] ([[User talk:Metropolitan90|talk]]) 19:37, 8 March 2026 (UTC)

:It was a human error noted at tech water cooler. All articles should stay until pushed out from the top. To see the &quot;how&quot;, click a &quot;+-&quot; icon next to an entry on main page. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 19:52, 8 March 2026 (UTC)
::Thanks, but the problem hasn't actually been fixed yet as far as I can tell. I tried purging the cache on the main page and nothing changed. --[[User:Metropolitan90|Metropolitan90]] ([[User talk:Metropolitan90|talk]]) 20:30, 8 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{fixed}} by reverting to two versions ago, then using [[Wikinews:Easy_Peer_Review_(2025_version)/Post_Publication_Tools|lead manager]]. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 21:31, 8 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Thanks! --[[User:Metropolitan90|Metropolitan90]] ([[User talk:Metropolitan90|talk]]) 03:44, 9 March 2026 (UTC)
::See also: [[Wikinews:Water cooler/technical#Improper 'circle']]
: 
: The five leads have been updated to reflect the five most-recently published articles.[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 02:15, 10 March 2026 (UTC)

== self sighting edits ==

Hi, I just wanted to check that a reviewer should not self sight their own edits. Please provide reference to a policy page for that. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 08:31, 14 March 2026 (UTC)
: What policy prevents it and how?[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 13:10, 14 March 2026 (UTC)
::That is the question. Is there a policy against this, and, if yes, then which. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 10:11, 16 March 2026 (UTC)
::I know tone won't be conveyed over text, so clarifying it is not coming from a place of frustration.  But are you seriously unaware of this and are asking about it, @[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]]?  This is a well-known info among reviewers that you can't self-review, and you can't sight your own edits.&lt;br&gt;[[User talk:Acagastya|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #000; box-shadow: 0 0 7px #5de; padding-left:2.5px; padding-right:2.5px; border-radius:10px;&quot;&gt;•&amp;ndash;•&lt;/span&gt;]] 23:33, 16 March 2026 (UTC)
:Any non-insignificant edit done by someone with reviewer role, post-pub MUST NOT sight their own edits and ask some other reviewer to sight it for them.  You'd find it all across the history of various articles, where pizero would have made the change and asked other reviewer to sight it because the one adding the change cannot be approving it -- self-publication is not permitted on enwn.  The very specific link that you are looking for is from pizero's [[Wikinews:Tips on reviewing articles|essay]] which says &quot;''After publication, edit the article, submitting improvements for another reviewer to review''&quot; and &quot;''After publication, significant edits should be made only within the first 24 hours and should not be self-sighted''&quot;; as well as [[Wikinews:Reviewing articles|Reviewing articles]] &quot;''Edits can be made but must also be sighted (approved by a reviewer) within 24 hours''&quot; read along with &quot;''Users in the class Wikinews:Reviewer can mark revisions of the article as sighted (reviewed). Sighted changes at this stage must comply with the pillars as well as the archive conventions.''&quot;  Any reviewer making non-trivial changes (typo, spelling, comma and such stuff is what I am referring to as trivial.  Removal of sources, removal of info from the articles is not trivial.) cannot sight their own edits because they are not an independent reviewer.
:Self-sighting edits would mean that reviewer does not understand the need of review in the first place, and is omitting the independent pair of eye-balls verifying the said change.
:That said, did something like this happened, @[[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]]?&lt;br&gt;[[User talk:Acagastya|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #000; box-shadow: 0 0 7px #5de; padding-left:2.5px; padding-right:2.5px; border-radius:10px;&quot;&gt;•&amp;ndash;•&lt;/span&gt;]] 23:31, 16 March 2026 (UTC)
::Why does the system even have a mechanism that allows for someone who doesn't know what they're doing (me) pull it off? [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 23:34, 16 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Someone who works on that extension can answer that better -- but reviewing isn't something one should do carelessly.  I don't know as to what went down, however, I am not saying that you were necessarily careless -- you should be checking the history and not sighting edits that you have made.&lt;br&gt;[[User talk:Acagastya|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #000; box-shadow: 0 0 7px #5de; padding-left:2.5px; padding-right:2.5px; border-radius:10px;&quot;&gt;•&amp;ndash;•&lt;/span&gt;]] 02:33, 17 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I'll check histories before sighting edits post-review from here on. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 02:50, 17 March 2026 (UTC)
:::It's not that the reviewer necessarily doesn't know what he or she is doing. It's that people are naturally biased toward their own work, aren't looking at it with fresh eyes, etc. etc. and that one of the cornerstones of WikiNews' value to readers is that nothing here is the product of just one author; all significant pieces of information are checked by at least two people. But I don't think we have a way to allow reviewers to fix small issues, which is part of their job, while locking them out of fixing big ones. [[User:Darkfrog24|Darkfrog24]] ([[User talk:Darkfrog24|talk]]) 00:55, 19 March 2026 (UTC)
:: @[[User:Acagastya|Acagastya]], I did not self-review as I did not author the article. The article in question is likely [[US president Donald Trump demands the unconditional surrender of Iran]].&lt;br&gt;To summarize the sequence of events:
:: 
::* [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]], a new reviewer, reviewed and published the article. During the review a paywalled source was removed, but the attribution and some statements supported only by that source remained in the article.
::* That issue was raised on the talk page after publication but while the article was still within the editing window.
::* [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] then added two new sources post-publication. Those changes were sighted by Lofi Gurl.
:: 
:: Under [[WN:Archive]], adding new sources after publication is not permitted. I therefore removed those sources and corrected the related statements.&lt;br&gt;The article was still within the 72-hour post-publication editing window ([[Wikinews:Water cooler/proposals/archives/2025/October#Reforming review process|formerly 24 hours]]). I then corrected grammar, factual inaccuracies, unsupported statements, and bias. Because this functionally required re-reviewing the article, I sighted my changes.&lt;br&gt;Self-sighting what was essentially a review was a way to avoid a correction or a retraction.&lt;br&gt;Since this situation is not explicitly addressed in policy or guideline, I propose we standardize guidance for it. Earlier discussion touched on this when the window was still 24 hours ([[Wikinews:Water cooler/proposals/archives/2025/April#Reviewers self-sighting within 24 hours|discussion here]]). Given the window is now 72 hours, it would be helpful to codify expectations so we rely less on institutional knowledge.[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 01:36, 17 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Any factual information that is added or removed requires another reviewer to look into it, this has been a standard for a very very long time.  Besides, you must ask another reviewer to sight these changes, and MUST NOT self-sight.  [https://en.wikinews.org/w/index.php?title=US_president_Donald_Trump_demands_the_unconditional_surrender_of_Iran&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=4996705 1] [https://en.wikinews.org/w/index.php?title=US_president_Donald_Trump_demands_the_unconditional_surrender_of_Iran&amp;diff=next&amp;oldid=4996713 2] [https://en.wikinews.org/w/index.php?title=US_president_Donald_Trump_demands_the_unconditional_surrender_of_Iran&amp;diff=next&amp;oldid=4996717 3] [https://en.wikinews.org/w/index.php?title=US_president_Donald_Trump_demands_the_unconditional_surrender_of_Iran&amp;diff=next&amp;oldid=4996727 4] [https://en.wikinews.org/w/index.php?title=US_president_Donald_Trump_demands_the_unconditional_surrender_of_Iran&amp;diff=next&amp;oldid=4996738 5] [https://en.wikinews.org/w/index.php?title=US_president_Donald_Trump_demands_the_unconditional_surrender_of_Iran&amp;diff=next&amp;oldid=4996743 6].  Please do not self-sight these edits.&lt;br&gt;[[User talk:Acagastya|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #000; box-shadow: 0 0 7px #5de; padding-left:2.5px; padding-right:2.5px; border-radius:10px;&quot;&gt;•&amp;ndash;•&lt;/span&gt;]] 02:50, 17 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Also, it isn't really some secret that if the reviewer is responsible for an edit which removes/adds information (change is but removal and addition), they can't sight it.  That's the point of reviewing to make sure someone vets it. [[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-16790-14|&amp;#126;2026-16790-14]] ([[User talk:&amp;#126;2026-16790-14|talk]]) 13:44, 17 March 2026 (UTC)
:::: How many layers do we vet though? I was not the first or primary reviewer of the article. Therefore my actions were vetting another reviewer. By requiring my changes of their review to be vetted, we then require three different reviewers to be involved in a single article and likely delay improvements to accuracy.
:::: No one is objecting to the actual edits, but to the fact that they were self-sighted. If they were controversial, such as changing &quot;pro-life&quot; to &quot;anti-abortion,&quot; I'd likely not self-sight. For example, I was quite deliberate and slow with sighting during [[Talk:New York county clerk says Texas cannot fine abortion doctor#Correction regarding Roe|this correction discussion on the topic]], to make sure everyone had an opportunity to weigh-in.[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 17:29, 17 March 2026 (UTC)
:: @[[User:Acagastya|Acagastya]], I would offer a slightly different perspective on this.
:: 
::# There is currently no policy that explicitly prohibits self-sighting.
::# Essays, by their own definition, are not enforceable policy; the header notes they “may not be enforced [as] official policy” and are intended to supplement or interpret policy rather than define it.
::# There is precedent for reviewers sighting their own changes, including instances involving [[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]]. For example: [https://en.wikinews.org/w/index.php?title=Anti-abortion_March_for_Life_draws_thousands_in_Washington,_D.C.&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=4284416], [https://en.wikinews.org/w/index.php?title=Anti-abortion_March_for_Life_draws_thousands_in_Washington,_D.C.&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=4283530], and a self-sighted correction here: [https://en.wikinews.org/w/index.php?title=Bolivian_president_announces_legal_action_over_Obama's_'crimes_against_humanity'&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=2023679].
::# [[WN:IAR]] provides that rules should not prevent improvement or maintenance of the project. In this case, the edits were made to correct unsupported statements and policy issues within the allowed window, avoiding the need for a later correction or retraction.
::# The changes themselves remained within what is already permitted in review: no new facts or sources were introduced, and the edits focused on accuracy, attribution, and neutrality.
:: 
:: Given the absence of explicit policy on this point, it may be worth codifying expectations into a policy such as &lt;del&gt;WN:REV&lt;/del&gt; &lt;ins&gt;[[WN:Archive]]&lt;/ins&gt; or a new guideline based on Pi's essay and actual practice, so that similar situations can be handled more consistently going forward.[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 17:15, 17 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I'd just like to point out that this isn't an isolated case of self-sighting upon/after publication: [https://en.wikinews.org/w/index.php?title=Musical_performance_presented_by_Striped_Light_in_Long_Island_City%2C_New_York_showcases_four_performers&amp;diff=4990617&amp;oldid=4990554]... I didn't object at that point because I did not want to prolong more painful discussions. Much of the material which was removed could have been sourced; I was discouraged from including redundant sources in general so I erred on the other side of things. I have to say I was surprised to see it published with content removed. There was absolutely no vetting that occured here. [[User:Tduk|Tduk]] ([[User talk:Tduk|talk]]) 17:26, 17 March 2026 (UTC)
:::: The diff you linked to was performed during the review process and immediately ''preceded'' publication.
:::: &gt; ''Much of the material which was removed could have been sourced...''
:::: If it isn't sourced at the time a review is requested and it isn't in direct support of the 5Ws, it is fair game for removal. It is the author's responsibility to ensure facts are verifiable and it is the reviewer's responsibility to ensure facts are verified.[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 17:34, 17 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::The removal was still self-sighted, that's why it surprised me. I wasn't sure of the policy and at this point I still am not, so I leave it for others to interpret. [[User:Tduk|Tduk]] ([[User talk:Tduk|talk]]) 17:40, 17 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::: The removal you linked to was not self-sighted. It occurred immediately prior to publication, when FlaggedRevs was applied to mark that revision as the stable version, meaning the changes were included in the final reviewed revision rather than being a post-publication self-sighted edit.[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 18:09, 17 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::[[Wikinews:Reviewing articles]] states that &quot;''Edits can be made but must also be sighted (approved by a reviewer) within 24 hours''&quot;, thus sighting is just defined as being reviewed be a reviewer. I don't see any context that relates the use of the phrase &quot;self-sighted&quot; to whether the article was published or not. Am I missing something? You reviewed your own substantial edits to the article and then immediately published them. Whether these kinds of self-sighted changes are allowed is another story, but that is what they appear to be. [[User:Tduk|Tduk]] ([[User talk:Tduk|talk]]) 18:17, 17 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::: Yes, I think you are missing something. Sighting is not typically available until an article is published. Drafts are not marked as “stable” in FlaggedRevs until a reviewer applies a sighted revision, which typically occurs at the point of publication (e.g., via EzPR), or occasionally earlier if done in error.
:::::::: The diff you linked was an edit made during the review process, prior to any stable version being set. In other words, it was part of preparing the final reviewed revision and was not a post-publication, self-sighted change.
:::::::: &gt; ''You reviewed your own substantial edits to the article and then immediately published them.''
:::::::: That is inherent to the review process. Reviewers routinely make edits to ensure accuracy, attribution, and neutrality before marking a revision as stable and publishing it. If a statement is unsupported and does not contribute to the 5Ws, it is appropriate to remove it during review. This is explicitly supported by other reviewers.[https://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikinews:Water_cooler/assistance/archives/2024/November#c-Heavy_Water-20241128211600-Gryllida-20241128183100], [https://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikinews:Water_cooler/assistance/archives/2024/November#c-Gryllida-20241128213400-Heavy_Water-20241128211600]
:::::::: As a general principle, all contributions are subject to revision during review. In practice, that expectation is best understood as: if non-5W material is not verifiable, it is likely to be removed.[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 18:42, 17 March 2026 (UTC)
:::As an aside, I am trying to understand point #4 here - is it advocating ignoring all rules with the purpose of enforcing rules? That's how I read it. Above, you stated that you removed content because it broke rules, &quot;''Under WN:Archive, adding new sources after publication is not permitted. I therefore removed those sources and corrected the related statements.''&quot; - it seems a bit confusing to say that IAR applies to your edit, but not to those you undid, which I think were pretty clearly trying to improve or maintain the project. What am I missing? [[User:Tduk|Tduk]] ([[User talk:Tduk|talk]]) 17:26, 17 March 2026 (UTC)
:::: The point is that even though the essay recommends not self-sighting changes post-publication, [[WN:IAR]] supports ignoring the essay in favor of improving the project.[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 17:35, 17 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Doesn't [[WN:IAR]] also then support ignoring the section of [[WN:Archive]] that you were referring to, under the same logic? [[User:Tduk|Tduk]] ([[User talk:Tduk|talk]]) 17:41, 17 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::: IAR allows flexibility where rules obstruct improvement, but it does not negate the underlying purpose of policies like [[WN:Archive]]. In this case, removing post-publication additions restored the article to a policy-compliant state, whereas adding new material post-publication moved it further outside the reviewed version.[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 18:01, 17 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::I think IAR does not apply in this scenario, because these edits from post publishing could have been left for another reviewer to approve, as per the usual procedure. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 01:14, 18 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::: Just to clarify, there are also instances where you have sighted your own edits, for example: [https://en.wikinews.org/w/index.php?title=%22Media_and_Tenkil%22_exhibit_opens_in_Hanau,_Germany&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=4983991], [https://en.wikinews.org/w/index.php?title=Mexican_Navy_medical_plane_with_children_transported_for_Michou_and_Mau_Foundation_crashes_off_Texas_coast&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=4964301].
:::::::: In those cases, would it have been preferable to wait for another reviewer to sight them? I ask because this seems to be a fairly common practice when making straightforward corrections, and it may be worth clarifying expectations so they are applied consistently.[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 03:31, 18 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::: An even more relevant example may be: [[Talk:Boeing 787 crashes into Indian medical school, killing hundreds#Reviewer-involved post-publication edits]].
:::::::: In that instance, content from an article you authored was merged into a published article (following a dispute between yourself and [[User:Darkfrog24|Darkfrog24]]), introducing unsupported claims. Several of those post-publication edits were self-sighted, and the article was later corrected to address issues arising from those changes.
:::::::: Given that, I’m trying to understand how the standard being applied here differs from that situation.[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 04:01, 18 March 2026 (UTC)
:I wasn't around for whatever all this is currently and I'm not clear on who performed the alleged offense, but I can confirm that the idea of reviewers not sighting their own work is not new on Wikinews; there is precedent. If, right now, it's only written down in a mere essay then the answer is to 1) acknowledge that no one violated any policy or guideline and 2) write a guideline and cite it going forward. Want me to draft it? I wasn't here for the drama and don't know who's accusing whom, so I can be neutral that way. [[User:Darkfrog24|Darkfrog24]] ([[User talk:Darkfrog24|talk]]) 00:58, 19 March 2026 (UTC)
::I'm not involved in this other than trying to understand what the policy is; but on that note, if something is drafted, I think it should be clear whether the policyreferring to after publication, or during the review stage, or even immediately before publication. There seems to be some ambiguity there as well. [[User:Tduk|Tduk]] ([[User talk:Tduk|talk]]) 03:11, 19 March 2026 (UTC)
:: @[[User:Darkfrog24|Darkfrog24]], I appreciate the offer, and I agree clearer and more-prominent guidance would be helpful.
:: That said, it would be important to ensure the specific scenario here is well understood before drafting, as it involves a somewhat unusual sequence of events involving three reviewers. As we bring in newer reviewers, situations like this may become more common, so getting the details right would matter (and I’m not suggesting this was the fault of the new reviewer).
:: From my perspective, and from what I can see in practice by other reviewers is that post-publication self-sighting should not be treated as categorically prohibited or permitted; its appropriateness depends on whether the edit introduces new material requiring independent verification or restores the article to a compliant, reviewed state. 
:: It may help to first outline the specific conditions we’re trying to address, and then draft guidance around those, rather than starting from a more general rule.[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 03:21, 19 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{Question}} If there is something weird on an image [license or whatever](or some other ''procedural'' issue -- I think, historically, we've allowed reviewers to correct&gt;and self sight after they made the correction. Am I correct?--[[User:Bddpaux|Bddpaux]] ([[User talk:Bddpaux|talk]]) 13:53, 20 March 2026 (UTC)

== New proposal to modify the permission expiry policy ==

I made [[Special:Diff/4997290|a proposal]] to modify [[Wikinews:Permission expiry policy]]. Please comment or vote over there. Thanks. [[User:Codename Noreste|Codename Noreste]] ([[User talk:Codename Noreste|talk]]) 23:03, 14 March 2026 (UTC)

== Wind down and migration activities ==

Per the Board of Trustees, all versions of Wikinews are to be made read-only starting 2026-05-04. I'd like to get a sense of what the community thinks are needed actions for three distinct activities:
#Local wind-down priorities
#Migration activities (to the extent that there is an appetite to migrate at all)
#What, if any actions, the community wants to take to propose a renewed/reopened version of Wikinews (e.g. see [[:m:Wikinews Pulse]])

As for #1, I think that there should be some general wiki clean-up (deleting any old spam, marking pages as historical, connecting items to Wikidata properties, etc.) and I propose that the last article published here is about Wikinews closing. I would like to draft it and see if anyone wants to review it for publication immediately before closure. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 22:29, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

:Justin, i created a new wiki. Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 22:31, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:The community must find a way to publish at least one article per day if it is ever to return to Wikimedia servers I think. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 00:04, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:[[Wikinews closes after 21 years]]. Note this was also proposed earlier at [[Wikinews:Water_cooler/proposals#The_last_Wikinews_article]], lest anyone think that I had an original idea or was trying to steal someone else's thunder. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 00:25, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

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== Wikinews to stay open ==

the board has withdrawn from closing wikinews as reported on Russian wikinews. Great news! @[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] @[[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 13:04, 9 February 2026 (UTC)

:Wow. Do you have any links? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 17:26, 9 February 2026 (UTC)
::https://ru.wikinews.org/wiki/Рабочая_группа,_предлагавшая_закрытие_Викиновостей,_расформирована @[[User:Koavf|Koavf]] [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 19:46, 9 February 2026 (UTC)
:::please use a translator. [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 19:46, 9 February 2026 (UTC)
::::As a non-Russian speaker, using DuckDuckGo doesn't support your conclusion. It is true that the task force was shuttered, but that is common for tasks forces: they complete their mission to greater or lesser extent and then are dissolved. From what I can glean from your link, I don't see anyone saying that the WMF have decided against shuttering Wikinews. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 20:26, 9 February 2026 (UTC)
::::Yeah:I think you may be right. 'Disbanded' is for the Task Force itself. I thought a decision was set to be reached in December '25 -- any such decision yet?--[[User:Bddpaux|Bddpaux]] ([[User talk:Bddpaux|talk]]) 19:12, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
::::: No decision has been made yet, but the Board now expects to discuss the matter during their next board meeting on March 30. See [[#WMF Board of Trustees to meet March 30]] below.[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 13:20, 16 March 2026 (UTC)

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== WMF Board of Trustees to meet March 30 ==

One of the Board members, [[User talk:LLosa (WMF)#c-LLosa_(WMF)-20260316100700-Gryllida-20260215231900|recently provided an update]] on the SPTF recommendation to close Wikinews. No decision has been made yet, but the Board now expects to discuss the matter during their next board meeting on March 30.

They plan to update us via Meta and/or diff, and at our Water cooler (village pump).[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 13:19, 16 March 2026 (UTC)

== Tech News: 2026-12 ==

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Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2026/12|Translations]] are available.

'''Updates for editors'''
* The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Extension:CodeMirror|{{int:codemirror-beta-feature-title}}]] beta feature, also known as [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:CodeMirror|CodeMirror 6]], has been used for wikitext syntax highlighting since November 2024. It will be promoted out of beta by May 2026 in order to bring improvements and new [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Extension:CodeMirror#Features|features]] to all editors who use the standard syntax highlighter. If you have any questions or concerns about promoting the feature out of beta, [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help talk:Extension:CodeMirror|please share]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T259059]
* Some changes to local user groups are performed by stewards on Meta-Wiki and logged there only. Now, interwiki rights changes will be logged both on Meta-Wiki and the wiki of the target user to make it easier to access a full record of user's rights changes on a local wiki. Past log entries for such changes will be backfilled in the coming weeks. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T6055]
* On wikis using [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Flagged Revisions|Flagged Revisions]], the number of pending changes shown on [[{{#Special:PendingChanges}}]] previously counted pages which were no longer pending review, because they have been removed from the system without being reviewed, e.g. due to being deleted, moved to a different namespace, or due to wiki configuration changes. The count will be correct now. On some wikis the number shown will be much smaller than before. There should be no change to the list of pages itself. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T413016]
* Wikifunctions composition language has been rewritten, resulting in a new version of the language. This change aims to increase service stability by reducing the orchestrator's memory consumption. This rewrite also enables substantial latency reduction, code simplification, and better abstractions, which will open the door to later feature additions. Read more about [[f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-03-11|the changes]].
* Users can now sort search results alphabetically by page title. The update gives an additional option to finding pages more easily and quickly. Previously, results could be sorted by Edit date, Creation date, or Relevance. To use the new option, open 'Advanced Search' on the search results page and select 'Alphabetically' under 'Sorting Order'. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T403775]
* [[File:Reload icon with two arrows.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:28}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:28|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. For example, the bug that prevented UploadWizard on Wikimedia Commons from importing files from Flickr has now been fixed. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T419263]
'''Updates for technical contributors'''
* A new special page, [[{{#special:LintTemplateErrors}}]], has been created to list transcluded pages that are flagged as containing lint errors to help users discover them easily. The list is sorted by the number of transclusions with errors. For example: [[{{#special:LintTemplateErrors}}/night-mode-unaware-background-color]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T170874]
* Users of the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Extension:CodeMirror|{{int:codemirror-beta-feature-title}}]] beta feature have been using [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:CodeMirror|CodeMirror]] instead of [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:CodeEditor|CodeEditor]] for syntax highlighting when editing JavaScript, CSS, JSON, Vue and Lua content pages, for some time now. Along with promoting CodeMirror 6 out of beta, the plan is to replace CodeEditor as the standard editor for these content models by May 2026. [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help talk:Extension:CodeMirror|Feedback or concerns are welcome]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T419332]
* The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:CodeMirror|CodeMirror]] JavaScript modules will soon be upgraded to CodeMirror 6. Leading up to the upgrade, loading the &lt;code dir=ltr&gt;ext.CodeMirror&lt;/code&gt; or &lt;code dir=ltr&gt;ext.CodeMirror.lib&lt;/code&gt; modules from gadgets and user scripts was deprecated in July 2025. The use of the &lt;code dir=ltr&gt;ext.CodeMirror.switch&lt;/code&gt; hook was also deprecated in March 2025. Contributors can now make their scripts or gadgets compatible with CodeMirror 6. See the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:CodeMirror#Gadgets and user scripts|migration guide]] for more information. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T373720]
* The MediaWiki Interfaces team is expanding coverage of REST API module definitions to include [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/API:REST API/Extensions|extension APIs]]. REST API modules are groups of related endpoints that can be independently managed and versioned. Modules now exist for [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T414470 GrowthExperiments] and [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T419053 Wikifunctions] APIs. As we migrate extension APIs to this structure, documentation will move out of the main MediaWiki OpenAPI spec and REST Sandbox view, and will instead be accessible via module-specific options in the dropdown on the [https://test.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:RestSandbox REST Sandbox] (i.e., [[{{#Special:RestSandbox}}]], available on all wiki projects).
* The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Scribunto|Scribunto]] extension provides different pieces of information about the wiki where the module is being used via the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Scribunto/Lua reference manual|mw.site]] library. Starting last week, the library also provides a [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Scribunto/Lua reference manual#mw.site.wikiId|way]] of accessing the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Manual:Wiki ID|wiki ID]] that can be used to facilitate cross-wiki module maintenance. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T146616]
* [[File:Reload icon with two arrows.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.46/wmf.20|MediaWiki]]

'''In depth'''
* The [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Coolest Tool Award|2026 Coolest Tool Award]] celebrating outstanding community tools, is now open for nominations! Nominate your favorite tool using the [https://wikimediafoundation.limesurvey.net/435684?lang=en nomination survey] form by 23 March 2026. For more information on privacy and data handling, please see the [[foundation:Special:MyLanguage/Legal:Coolest_Tool_Award_2026_Survey_Privacy_Statement|survey privacy statement]].

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== Tech News: 2026-13 ==

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Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2026/13|Translations]] are available.

'''Weekly highlight'''
* Wikimedia site users can now log in without a password using passkeys. This is a secure method supported by fingerprint, facial recognition, or PIN. With this change, all users who opt for passwordless login will find it easier, faster, and more secure to log in to their accounts using any device. The new passkey login option currently appears as an autofill suggestion in the username field. An additional [[phab:T417120|&quot;Log in with passkey&quot; button]] will soon be available for users who have already registered a passkey. This update will improve security and user experience. The [[c:File:Passwordless_login_screencast.webm|screen recording]] demonstrates the passwordless login process step by step.
* [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/Server switch|All wikis will be read-only]] for a few minutes on Wednesday, 25 March 2026 at [https://zonestamp.toolforge.org/1774450800 15:00 UTC]. This is for the datacenter server switchover backup tests, [[wikitech:Deployments/Yearly calendar|which happen twice a year]]. During the switchover, all Wikimedia website traffic is shifted from one primary data center to the backup data center to test availability and prevent service disruption even in emergencies.

'''Updates for editors'''
* Wikimedia site users can now export their notifications older than 5 years using a [[toolforge:echo-chamber|new Toolforge tool]]. This will ensure that users retain their important notifications and avoid them being lost based on the planned change to delete notifications older than 5 years, as previously announced. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T383948]
* Wikipedia editors in Indonesian, Thai, Turkish, and Simple English now have access to Special:PersonalDashboard. This is an [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Moderator Tools/Dashboard|early version of an experience]] that introduces newer editors to patrolling workflows, making it easier for them to move from making edits to participating in more advanced moderation work on their project. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T402647]
* The [[Special:Block]] now has two minor interface changes. Administrators can now easily perform indefinite blocks through a dedicated radio button in the expiry section. Also, choosing an indefinite expiry provides a different set of common reasons to select from, which can be changed at: [[MediaWiki:Ipbreason-indef-dropdown]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T401823]
* Mobile editors [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Contributors/Account Creation Experiments#Logged-out|at several wikis]] can now see an improved logged-out edit warning, thanks to the recent updates from the Growth team. These changes released last week are part of ongoing efforts and tests to enhance [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Contributors/Account Creation Experiments|account creation experience on mobile]] and then increase participation. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T408484]
* [[File:Reload icon with two arrows.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:36}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:36|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. For example, the bug that prevented mobile web users from seeing the block information when affected by multiple blocks has been fixed. They can now see messages of all the blocks currently affecting them when they access Wikipedia.

'''Updates for technical contributors'''
* Images built using Toolforge will soon get the upgraded buildpacks version, bringing support for newer language versions and other upstream improvements and fixes. If you use Toolforge Build Service, review the recent [https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/cloud-announce@lists.wikimedia.org/thread/EMYTA32EV2V5SQ2JIEOD2CL66YFIZEKV/ cloud-announce email] and update your build configuration as necessary to ensure your tools are compatible. [https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Help:Toolforge/Building_container_images&amp;oldid=2392097#Buildpack_environment_upgrade_process][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T380127]

* The [https://api.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page API Portal] documentation wiki will shut down in June 2026. API keys created on the API Portal will continue to work normally. api.wikimedia.org endpoints will be deprecated gradually starting in July 2026. Documentation on the API Portal is moving to [[mw:Wikimedia APIs|mediawiki.org]]. Learn more on the [[wikitech:API Portal/Deprecation|project page]].
* [[File:Reload icon with two arrows.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.46/wmf.21|MediaWiki]]

'''In depth'''
* [[m:Special:MyLanguage/WMDE Technical Wishes|WMDE Technical Wishes]] is considering improvements to [[m:WMDE Technical Wishes/References/VisualEditor automatic reference names|automatically generated reference names in VisualEditor]]. Please check out the [[m:WMDE Technical Wishes/References/VisualEditor automatic reference names#Proposed solutions|proposed solutions]] and participate in the [[m:Talk:WMDE Technical Wishes/References/VisualEditor automatic reference names#Request for comment|request for comment]].

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== Upcoming Wikimedia Café meetup regarding the [[:meta:Wikimedia Foundation Annual Plan/2026-2027|the 2026-2027 Wikimedia Foundation Annual Plan]] ==

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In addition to this Café session, [[:meta:Wikimedia Foundation Annual Plan/2026-2027/Collaboration|several additional meetings regarding the Annual Plan are listed on the Collaboration page]], and you may participate on the [[:meta:Talk:Wikimedia Foundation Annual Plan/2026-2027|talk page]]. &lt;br /&gt;

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:I did not get it. When and how is this going to happen? [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 10:15, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:This message is 210% screen width of my mobile device. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 10:16, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

== Board of Trustees Approves Closure of Wikinews ==

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Following [[:m:Public consultation about Wikinews|extended discussions]] within the Wikimedia movement about the Wikinews long-term sustainability, levels of community activity, and the availability of reliable news coverage on other platforms, the Board of Trustees of the Wikimedia Foundation has [[:m:Wikimedia Foundation Board noticeboard#Board of Trustees Approves Closure of Wikinews|approved the closure]] of Wikinews.

Following this decision, all Wikinews editions will transition to read-only mode one month after this announcement, on 4 May. From that date onward, pages on Wikinews will remain publicly accessible for reading, reference and dump downloading, but editing and new content creation will no longer be possible.

Further information about the technical transition to read-only mode and the preservation of existing content will be shared in the coming weeks.

We thank all contributors who have participated in Wikinews over the years and helped build a unique experiment in collaborative journalism within the Wikimedia movement, and we understand that some of them might be disappointed by this decision. To our regret, the project wasn’t able to fulfil its promise, and many of its functions were eclipsed by the notable news coverage in Wikipedias. We hope the Wikinews editors will continue contributing to the other Wikimedia projects or free knowledge projects.&lt;section end=&quot;message&quot;/&gt;

[[User:Victoria|Victoria]], Affiliate and Community Liaison to the Board, 09:59, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
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::Pinging editors: @[[User:George Ho|George Ho]] @[[User:Wikiwide|Wikiwide]] @[[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]], @[[User:Dsuke1998AEOS|Dsuke1998AEOS]], @[[User:Ternera|Ternera]], @[[User:Monsieur2137|Monsieur2137]] @[[User:Asked42|Asked42]], @[[User:Sheminghui.WU|Sheminghui.WU]], @[[User:Koavf|Koavf]], @[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]]. @[[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]], @[[User:Heavy Water|Heavy Water]], @[[User:Bddpaux|Bddpaux]], @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]], @[[User:Metropolitan90|Metropolitan90]], @[[User:Tduk|Tduk]], @[[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]], @[[User:Microchip08|Microchip08]], @[[User:RockerballAustralia|RockerballAustralia]], @[[User:SVTCobra|SVTCobra]], @[[User:Acagastya|Acagastya]], @[[User:Cromium|Cromium]], @[[User:William S. Saturn|William S. Saturn]] --[[User:Asked42|Asked42]] ([[User talk:Asked42|talk]]) 10:13, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Received, thank you. ~ [[User:Sheminghui.WU|Sheminghui.WU]] ([[User talk:Sheminghui.WU|talk]]) 11:25, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Gutwrenching. Oh well. It was a good run. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 12:17, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Im going to make a Fandom for Wikinews. Thoughts? @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] @[[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 12:22, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::I won't do anything to stop you but if the project can't meet its goals on this platform then I highly doubt it can elsewhere, where articles will get far fewer readers than they will here. I'm convinced the only reason anybody even knows tgis project exists is because its WMF. We had our chance and we blew it, dude. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 12:24, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::I guess Miraheze is are only hope.
::::::@[[User:Victoria|Victoria]] @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 12:47, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::How many users from Wikinews do you think will actually migrate somewhere else? I'm thinking it might just be time for me to move on. I'm lowkey extremely pissed that five '''good''' articles I wrote last week went stale and unreviewed. It's a waste of fucking time. I'm not getting my hopes up just for the same thing to happen elsewhere. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 12:52, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::Then write less. Sorry mate. Five a week is a bit too much for me to even read, not to mention review. I was thinking it would help if on whatever new platform, users could cluster themselves by interests and geographical location; for a decade I have not found any approachable and readily available user from my continent. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 02:26, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:Related discussion: [[Wikinews talk:Migration]]. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 10:13, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

== Board of Trustees Approves Closure of Wikinews ==

&lt;section begin=&quot;message&quot; /&gt;
Following [[:m:Public consultation about Wikinews|extended discussions]] within the Wikimedia movement about the Wikinews long-term sustainability, levels of community activity, and the availability of reliable news coverage on other platforms, the Board of Trustees of the Wikimedia Foundation has [[:m:Wikimedia Foundation Board noticeboard#Board of Trustees Approves Closure of Wikinews|approved the closure]] of Wikinews.

Following this decision, all Wikinews editions will transition to read-only mode one month after this announcement, on 4 May. From that date onward, pages on Wikinews will remain publicly accessible for reading, reference and dump downloading, but editing and new content creation will no longer be possible.

Further information about the technical transition to read-only mode and the preservation of existing content will be shared in the coming weeks.

We thank all contributors who have participated in Wikinews over the years and helped build a unique experiment in collaborative journalism within the Wikimedia movement, and we understand that some of them might be disappointed by this decision. To our regret, the project wasn’t able to fulfil its promise, and many of its functions were eclipsed by the notable news coverage in Wikipedias. We hope the Wikinews editors will continue contributing to the other Wikimedia projects or free knowledge projects.&lt;section end=&quot;message&quot;/&gt;

[[User:Victoria|Victoria]], Affiliate and Community Liaison to the Board, 11:34, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
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:Already got it, thanks. Who may have missed out? [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 11:41, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:So quick, just few months;) ~ [[User:Sheminghui.WU|Sheminghui.WU]] ([[User talk:Sheminghui.WU|talk]]) 12:22, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::The decision was made before the ‘’’discussion’’’ ever began. Trust me. Mostly good memories here, though. Farewell English WN.—-[[User:Bddpaux|Bddpaux]] ([[User talk:Bddpaux|talk]]) 14:17, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I'm gonna cry [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 14:53, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::@[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] Agree, very sad. How can one claw back internet space from social media if the place which actually had RSS news feeds gets frozen? Want to recreate Wikinews in a different place, where it cannot be closed. And once that works, prepare for migration of whatever other project they will close next. Wikivoyage? Because at that rate, I have no willingness to contribute to Wikipedia itself - they are keeping it &quot;relevant&quot; by absorbing news reporting into encyclopaedia, which is cheating (and I don't think they have RSS feed - because their &quot;breaking news&quot; articles are not 'prepare and publish', they are 'publish and edit and improve over time'). And meanwhile, actual Wikipedia articles are years out of date - because there are so many of them. [[User:Wikiwide|Wikiwide]] ([[User talk:Wikiwide|talk]]) 00:12, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Of course! It wasted so much of my time during my most busy days, as a student volunteer, which is extremely unethical. It's downright treacherous just. [[User:Sheminghui.WU|Sheminghui.WU]] ([[User talk:Sheminghui.WU|talk]]) 02:13, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I agree with @[[User:Bddpaux|Bddpaux]] that discussion was not even started and there was no attempt to provide milestones or requests before closure. Luckily, the content is not proprietary and can be moved to another hosting space, giving access to continue work and to implement software changes that were needed a couple decades ago. As I mentioned above the related discussion is in [[Wikinews talk:Migration]]. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 02:24, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:Thanks for informing us. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 18:15, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

== Tech News: 2026-14 ==

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'''Weekly highlight'''
* The Beta version of [[abstract:|Abstract Wikipedia]] a new Wikimedia project which is language-independent, was launched last week. The project allows communities to build Wikipedia articles in their native language, which can be readily accessed by other users in their own languages. The wiki is powered by instructions from Wikifunctions and also based on structured content from Wikidata. [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-03-26|Read more]].

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* The Wikimedia Apps team is inviting feedback on [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Apps/Team/Future of Editing on the Mobile Apps|how editing should work on the Wikipedia mobile apps]]. The discussion focuses on improving how users access editing tools when they tap &quot;Edit&quot;. This is part of a broader effort to convert readers who develop an interest in editing, to access a more user-friendly pathway to start contributing.
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'''Updates for technical contributors'''
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== So -- I guess this is it... ==

Some of you young ones hardly know that English WN and WMF federation have had an array of skirmishes for roughly the past 19 years or so -- but this battle is finally over. I've made some good memories here and engaged in a very righteous thing: Citizen journalism. I hope each of you will take good things away. For those who've offended me: All if forgiven.😁For those I've offended: I hope to be on the receiving end of the same courtesy. I've learned a lot here. I've engaged with some cool, smart people here too. If anyone intends to create a 'fork' of this project: Please let me know. Can't make any hard promises, but I wouldn't mind checking it out. Great wishes to one and all -- and here's to many good days ahead.--[[User:Bddpaux|Bddpaux]] ([[User talk:Bddpaux|talk]]) 01:02, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

:I have a wiki up on fandom, and one pending on miraheze @[[User:Bddpaux|Bddpaux]] Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 01:26, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::what wiki? [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 02:25, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:::[[:w:Fandom (website)]], I guess [[User:Sheminghui.WU|Sheminghui.WU]] ([[User talk:Sheminghui.WU|talk]]) 03:14, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:::https://newswikien.fandom.com/wiki/NewsWikiEN_Wiki
:::@[[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 12:27, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Hi, thanks for the link. Do they allow to rename wikis? The post-migration name was not decided yet and it might not be &quot;newswikien&quot; in the final version. I will check it out on the weekend. What advantages or disadvantages does this have compared with miraheze? Do they allow installing custom mediawiki extensions? [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 01:30, 1 April 2026 (UTC)
:I guess they ultimately won. Thank you for all your time and work on this project over so many years, especially for your consistency. Many of our senior editors have become inactive over time (life happens); but you are one of the few who have continued to give your best. I truly appreciate all your help and advice during my time on Wikinews. Thank you again @[[User:Bddpaux|Bddpaux]]. -- [[User:Asked42|Asked42]] ([[User talk:Asked42|talk]]) 07:37, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::I appreciate your generous words.--[[User:Bddpaux|Bddpaux]] ([[User talk:Bddpaux|talk]]) 12:50, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

== Excessive use of NSFW images in 1 RU WN article ==

I think [[:ru:Звездные мобильники: Ексей Пантелеев]] uses an excessive number of images. Since the uses makes these files '[[c:COM:INUSE|in use]]' and the project is due to be read-only in 1 month, now would be a good time to reduce the number of files included in it to a reasonable number. I don't speak Russian so I couldn't ask at the project or on the page's talk page. I think a smaller number of these files would be more appropriate and maybe people here could ask there and/or remove some of these files from the page if that's fine. [[User:Prototyperspective|Prototyperspective]] ([[User talk:Prototyperspective|talk]]) 15:32, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
: You can write in English at the RU forum. Anyways, those images are part of a [[commons:Category:Project &quot;Geekography&quot; by Exey Panteleev (nude portrayals of computer technology)|'Geekography']] photo set most of which isn't even in use, yet it remains. You could open a Commons RfD to take care of all of these photos, not just the ones used on that page. I imagine they'll be amenable there. [[User:AtUkr|AtUkr]] ([[User talk:AtUkr|talk]]) 20:54, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::Somebody could move this thread there. For example, I don't know the right place at RU.WN.
::And @M.C.Wrigth For clarity, I'm not asking for WN to be censored – the emphasis of the title is on &quot;Excessive&quot;, not on &quot;NSFW&quot;; and the post says &quot;reduce&quot;, not 'eliminate'. [[User:Prototyperspective|Prototyperspective]] ([[User talk:Prototyperspective|talk]]) 11:33, 1 April 2026 (UTC)
: You'll need to raise that issue at ru.WN. 
: en.WN is [[WN:NOT|not censored]].[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 06:26, 1 April 2026 (UTC)

== wn-reporters.org mail + staying in contact ==

Pinging those who have access to wn-reporters.org mail @[[User:Acagastya|Acagastya]] (self) @[[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] @[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] (deceased &lt;/3) @[[User:RockerballAustralia|RockerballAustralia]] @[[User:William S. Saturn|William S. Saturn]] @[[User:Kitabc12345|Kitabc12345]] @[[User:LivelyRatification|LivelyRatification]] @Thibauld scelles (not sure what is their username -- @[[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] -- do you happen to know?) @[[User:Bddpaux|Bddpaux]] @[[User:JJLiu112|JJLiu112]] @[[User:Cromium|Cromium]] @[[User:Heavy Water|Heavy Water]] @[[User:Asheiou|Asheiou]] @[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] @[[User:Leaderboard|Leaderboard]].

I have been maintaining wn-reporters.org mail server since @[[User:Brian McNeil|Brian McNeil]] passed away around July 4, 2020 -- Wow, it's been almost 6 years, that aches my heart.  Wikinews was part of my entire college life -- it is going to be 11 years on enwn this May 1, but after Pi zero's death, and writing his obituary, it became very difficult for me to come back here.  I will talk about this later.  But for now, I would request you all to individually back up your own mailboxes.  (I think if you log in via thunderbird, you would see an option to export the mails).  I am not pulling the plug on the server yet.  So you will have the access to mailboxes for the time being.  Though should we move to some other host, we would have to see how we deal with the accredited requests and access to the mailboxes.  For that, I will be lurking on Libera Chat, (OFTC, Slashnet, and tilde) on IRC as &quot;acagastya&quot;.  Additionally, I have my own IRC server irc.firebyagni.net:6667/6697 where I exist as &quot;firebyagni&quot;.

Ages ago, I had created a discord server for wikinews, but noone came, apart from @[[User:Athozus|AirSThib]].  Should anyone want to come, for the old times sake as the wikinews diaspora, please feel free to join here: https://discord.gg/cCEzC8d.

I have had some amazing people who mentored me.  I probably won't remember many of the people, but I am forever grateful to this wonderful community.  Wikinews was wikinews for me because of pizero and without him, neither would I have been on enwn, nor would I have known anyone of you.  @[[User:Abhinav619|Abhinav619]] @[[User:ImprovedWikiImprovment|ImprovedWikiImprovment]] @[[User:Tom Morris|Tom Morris]] @[[User:Chaetodipus|Chaetodipus]] @[[User:Microchip08|Microchip08]] @[[User:SVTCobra|SVTCobra]] @[[User:Tyrol5|Tyrol5]] @[[User:Cirt|Cirt]] @[[User:Darkfrog24|Darkfrog24]] @[[User:Amgine|Amgine]] @[[User:Wikiwide|Wikiwide]] @[[User:ShakataGaNai|ShakataGaNai]] @[[User:Blood Red Sandman|Blood Red Sandman]] @[[User:TUFKAAP|TUFKAAP]] @[[User:Skenmy|Skenmy]] @[[User:Zanimum|Zanimum]] @[[User:Cspurrier|Cspurrier]] @[[User:Hawkeye7|Hawkeye7]] @[[User:LauraHale|LauraHale]] @[[User:Crtew|Crtew]] @[[User:Ezarate|Ezarate]] @[[User:DARIO SEVERI|DARIO SEVERI]] @[[User:AlvaroMolina|AlvaroMolina]] @[[User:Gopher65|Gopher65]] @[[User:Bluerasberry|Bluerasberry]] @[[User:Henrymyman|Henrymyman]] @[[User:Xbspiro|Xbspiro]] @[[User:Alextejthompson|Rubbish computer]] @[[User:Edu!|Edu!]] @[[User:Revi C.|-revi]] @[[User:MGA73|MGA73]] @[[User:Tempodivalse|Tempodivalse]] @[[User:Numbermaniac|Numbermaniac]] @[[User:George Ho|George Ho]] @[[User:Cassiopeia|Cassiopeia]] @[[User:Handraulic|Handraulic]] @[[User:AZOperator|AZOperator]] @[[User:Yngvadottir|Yngvadottir]] @[[User:Cognitive137|Cognitive137]] and many more whom I forgot to ping -- thanks for being part of my mid-to-late teenage life.  enwn reminds me when I had just finished the school, wrote my first article which failed the review, the first article that passed the review -- the college days, me leaving the first college, going to Bangalore, buying scratch cards of internet data pack to write articles, hand-writing the articles, IRC bouncers and IRC bots, telegram bridges; figuring out how to do OR, and BR, ComicCons, then media interviews and what not?  When I think about it, it has been quite a journey.  Including those days when I fought with pizero -- and I hated that.  I have learnt a lot here, and I will be missing this community, which I cared in various degrees of capacity.  No matter how little we might have interacted, your allegiance to enwn was something I respected!

If you feel like being in contact, please feel free to reach out to me.  It really saddens me.  And I think I will get a big bottle of beer on May 4, after the READONLY kicks in, and drink and cry.&lt;br&gt;[[User talk:Acagastya|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #000; box-shadow: 0 0 7px #5de; padding-left:2.5px; padding-right:2.5px; border-radius:10px;&quot;&gt;•&amp;ndash;•&lt;/span&gt;]] 11:08, 2 April 2026 (UTC)

:Thank you for all your contributions to wikinews, @[[User:Acagastya|Acagastya]]. I did not have many opportunities to collaborate with you, and I wish I had. I also have spent much of my college life contributing to Wikinews, and I guess that will end with it. Thank you again, and take care. -- [[User:Asked42|Asked42]] ([[User talk:Asked42|talk]]) 18:47, 2 April 2026 (UTC)
::Also BTW, there is a [https://t.me/WikinewsComm Telegram group for Wikinews]. It has been active for quite a while, and many users are present there, although I do not know their corresponding usernames. -- [[User:Asked42|Asked42]] ([[User talk:Asked42|talk]]) 18:58, 2 April 2026 (UTC)
:Actually, there is a discord server [https://discord.gg/dvBt5mxw here] already, there is more than 2 users on it. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 20:09, 2 April 2026 (UTC)
:It has been so nice working with you, @[[User:Acagastya|Acagastya]]!!! 
:I think some issue with Wikinews are that it lacks social media exposure. Centralised 'one wiki somewhere' model can be confusing. Most real news papers pay someone to deliver their output to multiple channels (youtube, paper delivery to homes, newsletters to email, rss). These were not leveraged here. Even though things like Mastodon existed.
:I think one open source project had encouraged everyone to have a fork of it in GitHub, so they can experiment and merge later if their changes were substantial and successful. Perhaps someone could provide web hosting and ask everyone to create a fork if they wanted to maintain it and implement some ideas how to setup the workflow. These could possibly go into subdomains like 'Username-copy.wikinews.org' or 'Something-region-Username.wikinews.org'. Someone would need to go around and collect content from forks into their own fork. This could increase innovation for software and/or activate regional groups. While also making it more fragmented -- or not really, since content licence allows derivative works and re distribution, so someone could play around with how to present the same content to users differently. I think this could be inevitable.
:Connections with universities did not start beyond one university. This could be improved.
:Just a few thoughts on perspective in light of what you wrote above.
:(Wikinews helped me pass IELTS and TOEFL reading/writing components to 100%, and get a visa to Australia and cope with English language content in first year at uni. That was my impression.)
:Have a great day. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 20:20, 2 April 2026 (UTC)

== Tech News: 2026-15 ==

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* The [[m:Special:MyLanguage/WMDE Technical Wishes/Sub-referencing|sub-referencing feature]], which lets editors add details to an existing reference without duplicating it, will be gradually rolled out to [[phab:T414094|more wikis]] later this year. Wikis using the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Reference Tooltips|Reference Tooltips]] gadget are encouraged to update their version (typically at [[m:MediaWiki:Gadget-ReferenceTooltips.js|MediaWiki:Gadget-ReferenceTooltips.js]] as shown [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=1344408362 here]) to ensure compatibility. Other reference-related gadgets may also be affected. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T416304]
* All Wikinews editions will be closed and switched to read-only mode on 4 May 2026. Content will remain accessible, but no new edits or articles can be added. This closure was approved by the Board of Trustees of the Wikimedia Foundation following extended discussions. [[m:Wikimedia Foundation Board noticeboard#Board of Trustees Approves Closure of Wikinews|Read more]].
* The [[:mw:Special:MyLanguage/API:Action API|Action API]] has had several formats for requested output. One of them, &lt;bdi lang=&quot;zxx&quot; dir=&quot;ltr&quot;&gt;&lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;format=php&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;&lt;/bdi&gt;, is being removed soon. Please ensure your scripts or bots use the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/API:Data formats#Output|JSON format]]. This removal should affect very few scripts and bots. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T118538]
* The [[Special:NamespaceInfo|Special:NamespaceInfo]] page now includes namespace aliases. For example &quot;WP&quot; for the &quot;Project&quot; (&quot;Wikipedia&quot;) namespace on the German Wikipedia. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T381455]
* [[File:Reload icon with two arrows.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.46/wmf.23|MediaWiki]]

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== Randwick City Council article ==

I like articles that have &quot;ancillary&quot; source material! Flyers, mailers, guides -- etc.!--[[User:Bddpaux|Bddpaux]] ([[User talk:Bddpaux|talk]]) 00:11, 7 March 2026 (UTC)

:Working on another one about https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-03-06/moreton-bay-homeless-evictions-supreme-court-decision/106423036 now. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 00:12, 7 March 2026 (UTC)
:Hi [[User:Bddpaux|Bddpaux]], I just submitted it for review -- [[Moreton Bay illegally evicted homeless campers, Queensland Supreme Court rules]]. Please check it out. Regards, -- [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 10:08, 7 March 2026 (UTC)

== Recent things ==

It's late -- I'm tired, so don't read these words with a harsh tone -- they aren't meant that way. Just a 'lite' observation, nothing more. I've noticed (over recent weeks) your nominations/encouragement for certain contributors (new, recently returned, darned near brand new, only show up 3 times per year) to engage in '''cleaning up vandalism''' etc. etc. (I have hardly reviewed most of those peoples' contribution histories, so bear that in mind). I think the trap of &quot;We're so glad you're here!&quot;-mindset can muddy the waters a bit. We're all volunteers -- nobody gets that more than I do. But, I hope we can be very careful with our language for newbies at this place. People have to earn trust at this place; that means putting in the work. They show up, they edit, they engage, they do the things reporters do and ''then'' we start talking about hanging special stickers on their page -- and '''not until they've shown who they are'''. There is a pathway that needs to be followed. I very deeply feel we need to remember our &quot;roots&quot; around here. Who knows what WMF intends for us? ...but journalistic integrity is critical at a place like this. Good things ahead!--[[User:Bddpaux|Bddpaux]] ([[User talk:Bddpaux|talk]]) 05:09, 8 March 2026 (UTC)

:Saw that, thanks mate. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 06:49, 8 March 2026 (UTC)

== BOM ==

I've spent all of 20 seconds looking at that -- why would that not be stale at this time??--[[User:Bddpaux|Bddpaux]] ([[User talk:Bddpaux|talk]]) [[User:Bddpaux|Bddpaux]] ([[User talk:Bddpaux|talk]]) 14:01, 20 March 2026 (UTC)

:There was more information obtained from a source recently. Talk page and scoop has details. Published sources do not have it. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 03:58, 21 March 2026 (UTC)

== Stevie Young of AC/DC ==

I'm not planning to do anything more with [[AC/DC guitarist Stevie Young admitted to hospital in Buenos Aires, spokesperson says]], but I wanted to let you know that according to https://ultimateclassicrock.com/ac-dc-stage-return/ he has returned to performing with the band after being released from the hospital. --[[User:Metropolitan90|Metropolitan90]] ([[User talk:Metropolitan90|talk]]) 13:30, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

:Good to hear. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 09:44, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

== Central discussion page on Meta-Wiki ==

I think it's now time to create a central page on Meta-Wiki for discussions related to the migration of Wikinews and its different language editions. Would you like to start that page and also notify the Russian Wikinews community about it? [[User:Asked42|Asked42]] ([[User talk:Asked42|talk]]) 10:09, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

:Russian Wikinews already knows snd got a thread about it in their forum. I do not think I have the capacity to open discussion at Meta, sorry, I am needing some sleep right now. I am hoping someone does it within next few hours, if not, then I will write something. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 10:11, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::@[[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]]: Sure. I am suggesting a central place so that, even after Wikinews becomes read-only, we can continue our discussions on Meta about what needs to be done next. [[User:Asked42|Asked42]] ([[User talk:Asked42|talk]]) 10:31, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::@[[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]]: I have started a Meta page for a central discussion about the migration, including participation from other language editions of Wikinews. This will also allow discussions to continue after the Wikinews sites become read-only on May 4. -- [[User:Asked42|Asked42]] ([[User talk:Asked42|talk]]) 14:59, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Link? [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 20:54, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::::[[meta:Migration of Wikinews and future hosts]] [[User:Asked42|Asked42]] ([[User talk:Asked42|talk]]) 05:24, 1 April 2026 (UTC)

== Reviewing my very first ever Wikinews article ==

Would you mind reviewing [[Supreme Court of Finland convicts Christians of crimes against the humanity of gays and lesbians in a landmark ruling|my very first ever Wikinews article]], since the previous reviewer was unable to complete reviewing it? Thank you so much in advance! [[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 17:42, 4 April 2026 (UTC)

:Hi @[[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] 
:1. That review was completed. I revised the page and re-submitted for review.
:2. I posted [[Wikinews:Water_cooler/proposals#Proposal_to_cease_publishing_after_around_April_14|this]].
:Regards, -- [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 08:13, 5 April 2026 (UTC)
::Hi @[[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]], will you be reviewing the article? [[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 16:34, 5 April 2026 (UTC)
:::I restored my previous edits and resubmitted for review. It's stale but they might make an exception. It's worth a try. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 23:31, 5 April 2026 (UTC)
::::i published it, it looks a lot better than the previous version and it checks out well against the sources. thanks to you both for the revision. @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] and @[[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]]. regards [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 01:34, 6 April 2026 (UTC)
:::::Thank you so much, I am so glad we were able to see this through. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 01:38, 6 April 2026 (UTC)

== Sighting changes ==

I am working through the list of unsighted changes ahead of the [[Wikinews:Water cooler/miscellaneous#Board of Trustees Approves Closure of Wikinews|pending closure of the project]]. A number of these edits appear to be yours and relate to the use of a script that marked articles as ‘archived’ without bringing them into compliance with [[Wikinews:Archive conventions]]. Some also appear to have left routine changes (such as protection updates) unsighted.

Could you review these and bring them into compliance where needed? It would also be helpful if you could revisit the articles in [[:Category:Archived by Gryllida]] and complete the [[Wikinews:Archive conventions|archiving process]] where applicable.[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 12:59, 6 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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== Recent things ==

It's late -- I'm tired, so don't read these words with a harsh tone -- they aren't meant that way. Just a 'lite' observation, nothing more. I've noticed (over recent weeks) your nominations/encouragement for certain contributors (new, recently returned, darned near brand new, only show up 3 times per year) to engage in '''cleaning up vandalism''' etc. etc. (I have hardly reviewed most of those peoples' contribution histories, so bear that in mind). I think the trap of &quot;We're so glad you're here!&quot;-mindset can muddy the waters a bit. We're all volunteers -- nobody gets that more than I do. But, I hope we can be very careful with our language for newbies at this place. People have to earn trust at this place; that means putting in the work. They show up, they edit, they engage, they do the things reporters do and ''then'' we start talking about hanging special stickers on their page -- and '''not until they've shown who they are'''. There is a pathway that needs to be followed. I very deeply feel we need to remember our &quot;roots&quot; around here. Who knows what WMF intends for us? ...but journalistic integrity is critical at a place like this. Good things ahead!--[[User:Bddpaux|Bddpaux]] ([[User talk:Bddpaux|talk]]) 05:09, 8 March 2026 (UTC)

:Saw that, thanks mate. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 06:49, 8 March 2026 (UTC)

== BOM ==

I've spent all of 20 seconds looking at that -- why would that not be stale at this time??--[[User:Bddpaux|Bddpaux]] ([[User talk:Bddpaux|talk]]) [[User:Bddpaux|Bddpaux]] ([[User talk:Bddpaux|talk]]) 14:01, 20 March 2026 (UTC)

:There was more information obtained from a source recently. Talk page and scoop has details. Published sources do not have it. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 03:58, 21 March 2026 (UTC)

== Stevie Young of AC/DC ==

I'm not planning to do anything more with [[AC/DC guitarist Stevie Young admitted to hospital in Buenos Aires, spokesperson says]], but I wanted to let you know that according to https://ultimateclassicrock.com/ac-dc-stage-return/ he has returned to performing with the band after being released from the hospital. --[[User:Metropolitan90|Metropolitan90]] ([[User talk:Metropolitan90|talk]]) 13:30, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

:Good to hear. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 09:44, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

== Central discussion page on Meta-Wiki ==

I think it's now time to create a central page on Meta-Wiki for discussions related to the migration of Wikinews and its different language editions. Would you like to start that page and also notify the Russian Wikinews community about it? [[User:Asked42|Asked42]] ([[User talk:Asked42|talk]]) 10:09, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

:Russian Wikinews already knows snd got a thread about it in their forum. I do not think I have the capacity to open discussion at Meta, sorry, I am needing some sleep right now. I am hoping someone does it within next few hours, if not, then I will write something. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 10:11, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::@[[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]]: Sure. I am suggesting a central place so that, even after Wikinews becomes read-only, we can continue our discussions on Meta about what needs to be done next. [[User:Asked42|Asked42]] ([[User talk:Asked42|talk]]) 10:31, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::@[[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]]: I have started a Meta page for a central discussion about the migration, including participation from other language editions of Wikinews. This will also allow discussions to continue after the Wikinews sites become read-only on May 4. -- [[User:Asked42|Asked42]] ([[User talk:Asked42|talk]]) 14:59, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Link? [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 20:54, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::::[[meta:Migration of Wikinews and future hosts]] [[User:Asked42|Asked42]] ([[User talk:Asked42|talk]]) 05:24, 1 April 2026 (UTC)

== Reviewing my very first ever Wikinews article ==

Would you mind reviewing [[Supreme Court of Finland convicts Christians of crimes against the humanity of gays and lesbians in a landmark ruling|my very first ever Wikinews article]], since the previous reviewer was unable to complete reviewing it? Thank you so much in advance! [[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 17:42, 4 April 2026 (UTC)

:Hi @[[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] 
:1. That review was completed. I revised the page and re-submitted for review.
:2. I posted [[Wikinews:Water_cooler/proposals#Proposal_to_cease_publishing_after_around_April_14|this]].
:Regards, -- [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 08:13, 5 April 2026 (UTC)
::Hi @[[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]], will you be reviewing the article? [[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 16:34, 5 April 2026 (UTC)
:::I restored my previous edits and resubmitted for review. It's stale but they might make an exception. It's worth a try. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 23:31, 5 April 2026 (UTC)
::::i published it, it looks a lot better than the previous version and it checks out well against the sources. thanks to you both for the revision. @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] and @[[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]]. regards [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 01:34, 6 April 2026 (UTC)
:::::Thank you so much, I am so glad we were able to see this through. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 01:38, 6 April 2026 (UTC)

== Sighting changes ==

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Could you review these and bring them into compliance where needed? It would also be helpful if you could revisit the articles in [[:Category:Archived by Gryllida]] and complete the [[Wikinews:Archive conventions|archiving process]] where applicable.[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 12:59, 6 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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== Recent things ==

It's late -- I'm tired, so don't read these words with a harsh tone -- they aren't meant that way. Just a 'lite' observation, nothing more. I've noticed (over recent weeks) your nominations/encouragement for certain contributors (new, recently returned, darned near brand new, only show up 3 times per year) to engage in '''cleaning up vandalism''' etc. etc. (I have hardly reviewed most of those peoples' contribution histories, so bear that in mind). I think the trap of &quot;We're so glad you're here!&quot;-mindset can muddy the waters a bit. We're all volunteers -- nobody gets that more than I do. But, I hope we can be very careful with our language for newbies at this place. People have to earn trust at this place; that means putting in the work. They show up, they edit, they engage, they do the things reporters do and ''then'' we start talking about hanging special stickers on their page -- and '''not until they've shown who they are'''. There is a pathway that needs to be followed. I very deeply feel we need to remember our &quot;roots&quot; around here. Who knows what WMF intends for us? ...but journalistic integrity is critical at a place like this. Good things ahead!--[[User:Bddpaux|Bddpaux]] ([[User talk:Bddpaux|talk]]) 05:09, 8 March 2026 (UTC)

:Saw that, thanks mate. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 06:49, 8 March 2026 (UTC)

== BOM ==

I've spent all of 20 seconds looking at that -- why would that not be stale at this time??--[[User:Bddpaux|Bddpaux]] ([[User talk:Bddpaux|talk]]) [[User:Bddpaux|Bddpaux]] ([[User talk:Bddpaux|talk]]) 14:01, 20 March 2026 (UTC)

:There was more information obtained from a source recently. Talk page and scoop has details. Published sources do not have it. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 03:58, 21 March 2026 (UTC)

== Stevie Young of AC/DC ==

I'm not planning to do anything more with [[AC/DC guitarist Stevie Young admitted to hospital in Buenos Aires, spokesperson says]], but I wanted to let you know that according to https://ultimateclassicrock.com/ac-dc-stage-return/ he has returned to performing with the band after being released from the hospital. --[[User:Metropolitan90|Metropolitan90]] ([[User talk:Metropolitan90|talk]]) 13:30, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

:Good to hear. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 09:44, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

== Central discussion page on Meta-Wiki ==

I think it's now time to create a central page on Meta-Wiki for discussions related to the migration of Wikinews and its different language editions. Would you like to start that page and also notify the Russian Wikinews community about it? [[User:Asked42|Asked42]] ([[User talk:Asked42|talk]]) 10:09, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

:Russian Wikinews already knows snd got a thread about it in their forum. I do not think I have the capacity to open discussion at Meta, sorry, I am needing some sleep right now. I am hoping someone does it within next few hours, if not, then I will write something. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 10:11, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::@[[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]]: Sure. I am suggesting a central place so that, even after Wikinews becomes read-only, we can continue our discussions on Meta about what needs to be done next. [[User:Asked42|Asked42]] ([[User talk:Asked42|talk]]) 10:31, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::@[[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]]: I have started a Meta page for a central discussion about the migration, including participation from other language editions of Wikinews. This will also allow discussions to continue after the Wikinews sites become read-only on May 4. -- [[User:Asked42|Asked42]] ([[User talk:Asked42|talk]]) 14:59, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Link? [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 20:54, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::::[[meta:Migration of Wikinews and future hosts]] [[User:Asked42|Asked42]] ([[User talk:Asked42|talk]]) 05:24, 1 April 2026 (UTC)

== Reviewing my very first ever Wikinews article ==

Would you mind reviewing [[Supreme Court of Finland convicts Christians of crimes against the humanity of gays and lesbians in a landmark ruling|my very first ever Wikinews article]], since the previous reviewer was unable to complete reviewing it? Thank you so much in advance! [[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 17:42, 4 April 2026 (UTC)

:Hi @[[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] 
:1. That review was completed. I revised the page and re-submitted for review.
:2. I posted [[Wikinews:Water_cooler/proposals#Proposal_to_cease_publishing_after_around_April_14|this]].
:Regards, -- [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 08:13, 5 April 2026 (UTC)
::Hi @[[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]], will you be reviewing the article? [[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 16:34, 5 April 2026 (UTC)
:::I restored my previous edits and resubmitted for review. It's stale but they might make an exception. It's worth a try. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 23:31, 5 April 2026 (UTC)
::::i published it, it looks a lot better than the previous version and it checks out well against the sources. thanks to you both for the revision. @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] and @[[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]]. regards [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 01:34, 6 April 2026 (UTC)
:::::Thank you so much, I am so glad we were able to see this through. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 01:38, 6 April 2026 (UTC)
::::::Thank you to @[[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] and @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] as well as @[[User:Metropolitan90|Metropolitan90]] and @[[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]]! I put a lot of work into the article, so I'm very happy to see it published! [[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 20:55, 6 April 2026 (UTC)

== Sighting changes ==

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Could you review these and bring them into compliance where needed? It would also be helpful if you could revisit the articles in [[:Category:Archived by Gryllida]] and complete the [[Wikinews:Archive conventions|archiving process]] where applicable.[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 12:59, 6 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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== Recent things ==

It's late -- I'm tired, so don't read these words with a harsh tone -- they aren't meant that way. Just a 'lite' observation, nothing more. I've noticed (over recent weeks) your nominations/encouragement for certain contributors (new, recently returned, darned near brand new, only show up 3 times per year) to engage in '''cleaning up vandalism''' etc. etc. (I have hardly reviewed most of those peoples' contribution histories, so bear that in mind). I think the trap of &quot;We're so glad you're here!&quot;-mindset can muddy the waters a bit. We're all volunteers -- nobody gets that more than I do. But, I hope we can be very careful with our language for newbies at this place. People have to earn trust at this place; that means putting in the work. They show up, they edit, they engage, they do the things reporters do and ''then'' we start talking about hanging special stickers on their page -- and '''not until they've shown who they are'''. There is a pathway that needs to be followed. I very deeply feel we need to remember our &quot;roots&quot; around here. Who knows what WMF intends for us? ...but journalistic integrity is critical at a place like this. Good things ahead!--[[User:Bddpaux|Bddpaux]] ([[User talk:Bddpaux|talk]]) 05:09, 8 March 2026 (UTC)

:Saw that, thanks mate. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 06:49, 8 March 2026 (UTC)

== BOM ==

I've spent all of 20 seconds looking at that -- why would that not be stale at this time??--[[User:Bddpaux|Bddpaux]] ([[User talk:Bddpaux|talk]]) [[User:Bddpaux|Bddpaux]] ([[User talk:Bddpaux|talk]]) 14:01, 20 March 2026 (UTC)

:There was more information obtained from a source recently. Talk page and scoop has details. Published sources do not have it. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 03:58, 21 March 2026 (UTC)

== Stevie Young of AC/DC ==

I'm not planning to do anything more with [[AC/DC guitarist Stevie Young admitted to hospital in Buenos Aires, spokesperson says]], but I wanted to let you know that according to https://ultimateclassicrock.com/ac-dc-stage-return/ he has returned to performing with the band after being released from the hospital. --[[User:Metropolitan90|Metropolitan90]] ([[User talk:Metropolitan90|talk]]) 13:30, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

:Good to hear. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 09:44, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

== Central discussion page on Meta-Wiki ==

I think it's now time to create a central page on Meta-Wiki for discussions related to the migration of Wikinews and its different language editions. Would you like to start that page and also notify the Russian Wikinews community about it? [[User:Asked42|Asked42]] ([[User talk:Asked42|talk]]) 10:09, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

:Russian Wikinews already knows snd got a thread about it in their forum. I do not think I have the capacity to open discussion at Meta, sorry, I am needing some sleep right now. I am hoping someone does it within next few hours, if not, then I will write something. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 10:11, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::@[[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]]: Sure. I am suggesting a central place so that, even after Wikinews becomes read-only, we can continue our discussions on Meta about what needs to be done next. [[User:Asked42|Asked42]] ([[User talk:Asked42|talk]]) 10:31, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::@[[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]]: I have started a Meta page for a central discussion about the migration, including participation from other language editions of Wikinews. This will also allow discussions to continue after the Wikinews sites become read-only on May 4. -- [[User:Asked42|Asked42]] ([[User talk:Asked42|talk]]) 14:59, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Link? [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 20:54, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::::[[meta:Migration of Wikinews and future hosts]] [[User:Asked42|Asked42]] ([[User talk:Asked42|talk]]) 05:24, 1 April 2026 (UTC)

== Reviewing my very first ever Wikinews article ==

Would you mind reviewing [[Supreme Court of Finland convicts Christians of crimes against the humanity of gays and lesbians in a landmark ruling|my very first ever Wikinews article]], since the previous reviewer was unable to complete reviewing it? Thank you so much in advance! [[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 17:42, 4 April 2026 (UTC)

:Hi @[[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] 
:1. That review was completed. I revised the page and re-submitted for review.
:2. I posted [[Wikinews:Water_cooler/proposals#Proposal_to_cease_publishing_after_around_April_14|this]].
:Regards, -- [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 08:13, 5 April 2026 (UTC)
::Hi @[[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]], will you be reviewing the article? [[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 16:34, 5 April 2026 (UTC)
:::I restored my previous edits and resubmitted for review. It's stale but they might make an exception. It's worth a try. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 23:31, 5 April 2026 (UTC)
::::i published it, it looks a lot better than the previous version and it checks out well against the sources. thanks to you both for the revision. @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] and @[[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]]. regards [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 01:34, 6 April 2026 (UTC)
:::::Thank you so much, I am so glad we were able to see this through. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 01:38, 6 April 2026 (UTC)
::::::Thank you to @[[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] and @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] as well as @[[User:Metropolitan90|Metropolitan90]] and @[[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]]! I put a lot of work into the article, so I'm very happy to see it published! [[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 20:55, 6 April 2026 (UTC)

== Sighting changes ==

I am working through the list of unsighted changes ahead of the [[Wikinews:Water cooler/miscellaneous#Board of Trustees Approves Closure of Wikinews|pending closure of the project]]. A number of these edits appear to be yours and relate to the use of a script that marked articles as ‘archived’ without bringing them into compliance with [[Wikinews:Archive conventions]]. Some also appear to have left routine changes (such as protection updates) unsighted.

Could you review these and bring them into compliance where needed? It would also be helpful if you could revisit the articles in [[:Category:Archived by Gryllida]] and complete the [[Wikinews:Archive conventions|archiving process]] where applicable.[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 12:59, 6 April 2026 (UTC)

:I don't think it will be worth of my time. It is better if someone else does it. I do not have the energy to negotiate what the 'correct' requirements are. The only thing I would be able to do is to edit protect them. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 23:12, 6 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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== Welcome!!! ==

{{welcome}}

@[[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 23:08, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

== Wikinews-Miraheze ==

Hi im trying to revive Wikinews here... https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:RequestWikiQueue/78142

Thanks. Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 21:52, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

:How many news wikis are you starting? [[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 20:51, 6 April 2026 (UTC)

== Hi ==

i have a news fandom you might like? @[[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 22:52, 5 April 2026 (UTC)

== Published: [[Supreme Court of Finland makes crimes against humanity convictions in landmark ruling]] (April 6) ==
Hi, all, I am sending this message to all contributors to the article.

News is over a week old but I am publishing. The headline could be better but there is so much controversy about how to put it properly that I am content with the current revision.

Overall as a piece of feedback, it is necessary to be more factual and as much as possible insert facts rather than qualitative characterizations. I believe this has substantially improved in the last few days as the article has been revised. Thank you.

I have read the talk page and I believe the concerns there have been satisfactorily addressed in the recent edits and in the resulting current revision.

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'''I am recommending to add a sentence about expected consequence (fine, jail time) or if it is unknown then, when is this expected to be determined. If you could please make this change within 24 hours, then it could be sighted and be included in the report.'''

Thanks a lot.

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== Welcome!!! ==

{{welcome}}

@[[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 23:08, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

== Wikinews-Miraheze ==

Hi im trying to revive Wikinews here... https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:RequestWikiQueue/78142

Thanks. Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 21:52, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

:How many news wikis are you starting? [[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 20:51, 6 April 2026 (UTC)

== Hi ==

i have a news fandom you might like? @[[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 22:52, 5 April 2026 (UTC)

:How many news wikis are you starting? [[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 20:51, 6 April 2026 (UTC)

== Published: [[Supreme Court of Finland makes crimes against humanity convictions in landmark ruling]] (April 6) ==
Hi, all, I am sending this message to all contributors to the article.

News is over a week old but I am publishing. The headline could be better but there is so much controversy about how to put it properly that I am content with the current revision.

Overall as a piece of feedback, it is necessary to be more factual and as much as possible insert facts rather than qualitative characterizations. I believe this has substantially improved in the last few days as the article has been revised. Thank you.

I have read the talk page and I believe the concerns there have been satisfactorily addressed in the recent edits and in the resulting current revision.

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'''I am recommending to add a sentence about expected consequence (fine, jail time) or if it is unknown then, when is this expected to be determined. If you could please make this change within 24 hours, then it could be sighted and be included in the report.'''

Thanks a lot.

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== Welcome!!! ==

{{welcome}}

@[[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 23:08, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

== Wikinews-Miraheze ==

Hi im trying to revive Wikinews here... https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:RequestWikiQueue/78142

Thanks. Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 21:52, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

:How many news wikis are you starting? [[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 20:51, 6 April 2026 (UTC)

== Hi ==

i have a news fandom you might like? @[[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 22:52, 5 April 2026 (UTC)

:How many news wikis are you starting? [[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 20:51, 6 April 2026 (UTC)

== Published: [[Supreme Court of Finland makes crimes against humanity convictions in landmark ruling]] (April 6) ==
Hi, all, I am sending this message to all contributors to the article.

News is over a week old but I am publishing. The headline could be better but there is so much controversy about how to put it properly that I am content with the current revision.

Overall as a piece of feedback, it is necessary to be more factual and as much as possible insert facts rather than qualitative characterizations. I believe this has substantially improved in the last few days as the article has been revised. Thank you.

I have read the talk page and I believe the concerns there have been satisfactorily addressed in the recent edits and in the resulting current revision.

Copyright check passed flagging only the quote(s) included in the text.

'''I am recommending to add a sentence about expected consequence (fine, jail time) or if it is unknown then, when is this expected to be determined. If you could please make this change within 24 hours, then it could be sighted and be included in the report.'''

Thanks a lot.

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* {{re|Gryllida}} is this something you could take a look at? [[User:Leaderboard|Leaderboard]] ([[User talk:Leaderboard|talk]]) 14:15, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
*:On a small wiki I am worried this could be unnecessary as users would make token edits just to keep the access. Is there some evidence that notification, for example if done manually somewhere, improved things and re-engaged the contributor in editing regularly? [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 13:00, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
*::Hi @[[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] Firstly, this only applies to temporary rights (i.e when you assign a right for a certain period) - it's not going to remind anyone whose rights are technically indefinite (i.e, it does not affect [[WN:PEP]]). This bot was launched only in August, so hard evidence is difficult to find; however, this bot was inspired by a case where a user with global rights was unable to help their community because they did not realise that their rights had expired. For a wiki like this (like most small wikis), it is expected to almost never post anything - so it will simply run silently. Does this answer your question? [[User:Leaderboard|Leaderboard]] ([[User talk:Leaderboard|talk]]) 13:05, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
*:::Yes thanks. Then maybe it is not needed here as no privileges expire automatically. I welcome someone pointing out a different point of view, I am rather neutral on this. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 13:12, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
* As I see this a bot flag is not needed. The bot will make very few edits. But I think it will be a good idea for [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] or someone else to close this request with a comment like &quot;This bot is approved to do the task. No bot flag is needed.&quot; --[[User:MGA73|MGA73]] ([[User talk:MGA73|talk]]) 15:56, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
* @[[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]], @[[User:RockerballAustralia|RockerballAustralia]], it looks like this bot request can also be closed and archived.[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 13:56, 6 April 2026 (UTC)

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== [[Court ruling upholds TikTok ban unless ByteDance sells stake]] ==

Hi,

@[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] published the story. Congratulations.

Please review the article history and talk page for feedback from the reviewer.

Regards, -- [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 00:58, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

== [[Suspect in shooting death of UnitedHealthcare CEO fled New York City by bus, police say]] ==

Hi,

I published the story. Congratulations. 🎉

Please review the article history and talk page for feedback.

Regards, [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 01:33, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

:thanks!! [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 01:35, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

== [[Manslaughter charges against Daniel Perry dismissed following jury deadlock]] ==

Published. :-) Please read notes on the talk page. 

Have a great day. 

Regards, [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 10:51, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

== Re: cathedral re-opening ==

Hello,

Published. :-) Please check notes on the article talk page. A copy is included below for your reference:

----

There are important, but not critically essential details missing, for example:

* time of day in local time and UTC
* that they planned to do speech outdoors but did it indoors because of a storm
* (is it needed to write '2024' in first paragraph as we already have publish date further up the page)

I could not verify one part:

* Sunday 'morning' mass (source 1 says Sunday, source 2 does not say, or something) -- replaced 'Sunday morning' with 'Sunday'

The above items can be addressed within 24 hours after publication.

The image credit was missing and I added it as a minor edit as a part of the review process. It is required due to the licence requirements.

I recommend the author to also become involved in editing others' submissions -- those of them that are newsworthy, at least -- in the [[Newsroom]], if desired. This may help improve their quality and their chances of publication, and provide experience with proofreading and fact checking in addition to writing and authoring efforts.

Thank you and keep up the great work.

----

Regards, [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 10:59, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

== Pace ==

Hi Lofi Gurl, there are not many reviewers available, and I think the current queue may take a couple days to be processed. (I am mostly outdoors and away on weekend.) My apologies, and thank you for reading and writing entertaining and specific stories. :-) [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 11:06, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

:No problem, take your time and enjoy your weekend! [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 15:08, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

== Revisit articles in review queue ==

While waiting for articles I've authored to be reviewed, I often revisit them as long as they aren't under review and 'tighten' them up by making sure they conform to the style guide, that facts are correct, I've chosen good images with useful descriptions (and attributed every image), etc. 

I see that there are style issues in some of your articles currently awaiting review. Please see what you can do to help make the review of these articles easier/quicker.

Consider using {{tl|verify}} to point to exactly what source is used for all information so reviewers who verify information can find it easier. This helps tremendously.  

Thanks. —[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[:Category:Michael.C.Wright_(Wikinewsie)|Published]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 15:53, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

:Are you able to specify the style issues present in the article as a reviewer, or is it my job to figure that out as the reporter? [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 19:59, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
:I haven't checked the article talk pages yet so sorry if this ends up being a pointless question [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 20:00, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
::It is the author's responsibility to know our policies and guidelilnes, to include the [[WN:Style|style guide]]. Reviewers can and often do correct style issues before publishing but they are not required to. It takes more of a reviewers time to correct for style along with everything else they must check before publishing. See [[Wikinews:Reviewing articles]] to understand all the work that goes into reviewing an article. —[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[:Category:Michael.C.Wright_(Wikinewsie)|Published]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 14:24, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

== Great job ==

You are doing a great job here thank you. [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 20:25, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

:Thank you, friend!
:[[File:Red Wine Toast GIF Animation.gif]] [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 20:29, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

== I have a question! ==

{{tl|helpme}} Say an articles goes stale, or fails review for whatever reason. Am I allowed to splice old material and sources from &quot;rejected&quot; articles and use them in future articles, so long as the subject of the article stays fresh, and new developments keep coming in? Thanks. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 20:36, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

:Yes, that's fine. They are released under the creative commons licence indicated in the footer, and you can reuse them at any news articles here or any other place where the licence of content is compatible. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 21:54, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

== [[Impeachment of South Korean president Yoon Suk Yeol fails]] ==

Hi Lofi Gurl :-)

Could you please [[WN:Attribution|attribute]] the &quot;''Political unrest and nationwide protests were expected in response to the axing of the impeachment.''&quot; sentence? Who said this? This would help the sentence to not read as a speculation made on behalf of ''Wikinews''. 

Let me know if you have any questions, I am happy to help.

Regards, -- [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 21:53, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

:From the Associated Press article:
:{{quote|The vote’s defeat is likely to fuel nationwide protests and escalate political turmoil, and opposition parties could introduce a new impeachment motion when parliament reconvenes next Wednesday.}} [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 21:56, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

:This is amazing:
:* [[South Korean Constitutional Court upholds impeachment of President Yoon Suk Yeol]]
:Thank you so much for writing about this topic. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 12:15, 10 April 2025 (UTC)
::Pretty cool we have four articles of coverage spanning the scandal from start to finish! [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 10:02, 11 April 2025 (UTC)

== Wizard of oz slippers story ==

Hi Lofi Gurl

* Missing currency, both in first paragraph and in headline?
* Missing specified location where the auction took place.

Hope you can assist. Let me know if any questions. Thank you. :-)

Regards, [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 04:09, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

:I've found the location and left a note about it at the article talk page. I cannot add it and remain available to review. Could you please check and make the edit? Thank you!!! Regards, -- [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 05:13, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
::I went to sleep before seeing all these. I'm so sorry! [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 13:20, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
:::Hi [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] :-)
:::What is your time zone?  
:::Do you receive notifications in right top corner of the page while you are logged in?
:::Please note on talk page of the slippers story there is a new message &quot;''@Michael.C.Wright - You can add it and I can review? Please confirm within the next hour, or @Lofi Gurl please add it within next hour. Failing that, I'll add it myself and will require another reviewer to publish. Thanks.''&quot;
:::Have a great day.
:::Thanks, [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 23:25, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
::::Yeah, and I need to get better at clearing my inbox, apparently. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 23:44, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::I'm eastern standard time I think. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 00:38, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
::::Left you a '''[[Talk:Slippers_worn_by_American_actress_Judy_Garland_in_1939_film_The_Wizard_of_Oz_break_sales_record,_sold_for_US$28_million_at_auction#Why_the_slippers_were_so_expensive|new message]]''' Hope it helps :-) [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 01:25, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::[[Slippers worn by American actress Judy Garland in 1939 film The Wizard of Oz break sales record, sold for US$28 million at auction]] now published, congratulations. :-) [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 02:14, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::thank you :) [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 02:21, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

== Coffee::Who ==

Hi Lofi Gurl, I've left you a new message '''[[Talk:Coffee_prices_surge_to_record_highs_due_to_droughts_in_Brazil,_Vietnam#Who|here]]'''. Regards, [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 22:31, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

:added a new message now again [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 04:10, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

== Chess article ==

Please see the talk page at that article.--[[User:Bddpaux|Bddpaux]] ([[User talk:Bddpaux|talk]]) 17:44, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

== damascus story ==

i made a few edits. in one sentence needs clarification, i marked it in bold. please check? [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 19:03, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

:Hi!! To answer the quesion/comment/footnote you left in the article -- I found a mention of &quot;Saydnaya prison complex&quot; in the BBC source but they don't specify if that was the prison Timmerman escaped from. It was just mentioned that {{w|the White Helmets}} were storming looking for survivors. Hope this helps! [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 21:43, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
:Also, I think he left prison the same day the city fell on Monday, which was mentioned in the second paragraph. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 21:49, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

== minor edit &amp; thanks ==

hi, i have rejected [https://en.wikinews.org/w/index.php?title=Indian_chess_grandmaster_Gukesh_Dommaraju,_18,_becomes_youngest_world_chess_champion_of_all_time&amp;diff=4809824&amp;oldid=prev&amp;unhide=1 this edit] as this wikilink was already included in a previous paragraph. please let me know if i am incorrect!

thanks for the other edits to the story. they have made it so much nicer and are timely. i appreciate it and approved the other edits.

have a great day, [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 07:45, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

:oops didn't see the other link, thanks [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 08:47, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

== Edits after publication  ==

Please note that our [[WN:Archive]] conventions generally prevent edits to articles 24 hours after publication. Articles are meant to be a snapshot in time. 

Edits within the 24 hours after publication should be limited to only correcting any errors not caught in the review process. 

It is better to have an article fully button-down and ready for publication before requesting review. 

You are more than welcome, even encouraged to help improve other articles. But please focus that energy on articles in the developing queue and review queue unless the article is actively ''under'' review. That way we catch more errors before review and definitely before publication. 

Thanks again for joining and contributing! I can't remember the last time I saw ten articles in the review queue. —[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[:Category:Michael.C.Wright_(Wikinewsie)|Published]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 16:46, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

:[[image:Symbol thumbs up green.png]] [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 22:04, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

== Requested article  ==

hey, {{ping|Lofi Gurl}} https://abc3340.com/news/local/alabama-talladega-county-sheriffs-office

I added this story to requested articles but im not up to starting the article myself... If you can do anything for this would be helpful? Thanks! [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 21:59, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

:Hi, I'm happy to start articles you bring to me, I'm just not sure this story meets the site's notability guidelines.. I'd have to double check though. Thank you though [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 22:02, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
::It does and is '''developing''', not much data so far I suppose.... [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 22:03, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
::We also need a second source. [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 22:04, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
:::we'll play it by ear. This South Korea story is taking way longer than I thought [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 22:20, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
::::Let's please focus on it being published! My request can always wait, thanks. {{ping|Lofi Gurl}} [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 22:22, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

== please vote ==

Hi Lofi Gurl :-)

'''[[Wikinews:Requests_for_permissions|This page]]''' has a handful of requests open. Could you please cast a vote and/or add a comment, ideally for each of them, at your earliest convenience?

Regards, [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 03:19, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

== hi here is a news tip about malware ==

https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/ultralytics-ai-model-hijacked-to-infect-thousands-with-cryptominer/ -- [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 05:04, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

== [[Hundreds of North Korean troops killed fighting Ukrainian forces in Russia]] ==
Hi. Please see my not-ready review comments on the talk page. [[User:Heavy Water|Heavy Water]] ([[User talk:Heavy Water|talk]]) 22:19, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

== Why? ==

Are you making more work for editors? Im not angry just confused.... [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 02:50, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

:I don't know what you're talking about? [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 02:58, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
::You keep abandoning articles mostly you created, why? {{ping|Lofi Gurl}} [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 03:00, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
:What specifically do you mean &quot;making more work for editors&quot;? [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 02:59, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
::more work to clean up after you... [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 03:01, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
:::I'd just delete them if I was able to. Why are you mad? I'm abandoning the articles. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 03:02, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
::::not mad, just confused.... [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 03:03, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
::::You were acting fine before, what happened? {{ping|Lofi Gurl}} [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 03:05, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
:::Stop &quot;RIPing&quot; because it's seen as disruptive behavior, sorry but it seems like it. [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 03:03, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
::::That's fine I'm done writing here anyway. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 03:05, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::Suit yourself..... [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 03:05, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::Then what was your point? Wasting peoples' time? Sad sorry. [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 03:07, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::I'm genuinely confused now. What do you mean &quot;wasting peoples time&quot;? What are you talking about? [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 03:08, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::The project is to work together with one another not to abandon because theres not much activity right now. I won't argue with you anymore.. Sorry... {{ping|Lofi Gurl}} [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 03:14, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::: '''I didn't do anything wrong.''' [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 03:16, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

== En.wn ==
Hi. Thanks for, well, contributing here, I guess. So really, if you want to write fast and write prolifically, maybe Wikipedia is a better fit for you than en.wn in its present state. The project couldn't handle a mass influx of even people highly skilled at writing for it (overwhelms the review process, reporters get demoralized). I'm tempted to say that you overestimated the project and what you could do, but that sounds wrong. I don't know why I'm saying all this. You probably already know it. Of what's left, we are overwhelmingly nice people, for what it's worth, and care deeply about en.wn. Just don't, I guess, overinvest yourself in it. One of our colleagues here likes to say &quot;don't get married to your article&quot;, so perhaps likewise with the concept and future of the project. Then again, a late editor literally saw himself as embarking on a mission to save human civilization from intellectual ruin and mundanity by making something great out of this project. But he was executing a long term plan, that did transform the project. I don't know what this sounds like. I hope it doesn't sound condescending. [[User:Heavy Water|Heavy Water]] ([[User talk:Heavy Water|talk]]) 06:27, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

:Just to let both of you know I wasn't trying to attack {{ping|Lofi Gurl}}. {{Ping|Heavy Water}} [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 13:13, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
:Thanks for taking the time to write this (it didn't come off as condescending). I'll keep it in mind while contributing to the project in the future. Sorry for taking a few days to reply. Been trying to limit internet time. Have a good rest of your weekend! [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 05:31, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

== Lofi Gurl  ==

I was really being a dink to you, apologies. Feel free to continue to write articles here! {{Ping|Lofi Gurl}} [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 16:48, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

:Consider it forgiven. It happens. Onward! [[file:FPClogogif.gif]] [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 21:38, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
::Thank you for creating new news articles you go as fast as you please {{ping|Lofi Gurl}} [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 22:01, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
:::I'm trying to slow down and try to average maybe three per week. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 22:03, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
::::Please write as much as you like and thanks {{ping|Lofi Gurl}} [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 22:05, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

== Welcome back  ==

[[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 18:45, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

:Good to be back. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 18:47, 30 January 2025 (UTC)
::😊 [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 18:47, 30 January 2025 (UTC)
::Welcome back Lofi Gurl [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 03:58, 12 February 2025 (UTC)
:::thanks! [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 08:16, 12 February 2025 (UTC)

== Crash Philadelphia story ==

Hi I copyedited some misspelled words for the article. Hope your well, thanks. {{ping|Lofi Gurl}} [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 00:51, 2 February 2025 (UTC)

:thanks. I'm on my mom's laptop at the moment and she has her shit set up weird, and I can't spellcheck very easily at all right now. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 00:57, 2 February 2025 (UTC)
::It's ok, do your best. {{ping|Lofi Gurl}} [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 01:14, 2 February 2025 (UTC)

== Paywalled ==

Can't you work around it? {{Ping|Lofi Gurl}} [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 21:10, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

:It's gonna be easier to rewrite the entire article at this point, with like 2-3 sources. The project just kept getting bigger and bigger and I shot myself in the foot (or gave my foot the firing squad, if you will). Using this article's content for Wikipedia. Going to focus on my WashingtonDC/suicide/cop article I have started here. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 21:19, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

== Re: revitalising Wikinews ==

Hi, I'm reaching out to you as you indicated support for revitalising Wikinews. Here are a few ways to help out, in no particular order:

# write new articles by [[WN:SG|style guide]] and [[WN:CG|content guide]]
# find news which happened today and share it on [[WN:IRC|live chat]] or [[WN:REQ|a news tip page]]
# read drafts in [[Newsroom]], especially those submitted for review, and edit them to make them more comprehensive or more current
# read drafts in [[Newsroom]], especially those that failed review recently, and address reviewer's comments quickly and re-submit for review
# chat with new authors (of articles in Newsroom) and help them understand the key concepts
# subscribe at [[Wikinews:Water cooler]] (there are 5 subforums, open each and click 'Subscribe' link at top - then keep a close eye on your Echo notifications) to help newcomers and help with editing articles when someone requests assistance
# chat on [[WN:IRC|live chat]] and help newcomers and reviewers with their review process
# help with software development for authoring or reviewing articles, perhaps for the mobile platforms
# chat with other contributors on audio or video chat
# present notes about how Wikinews works at various conferences via audio and video communucations [as we don't have funds for travel at present] this can be linux, programming, journalistical, or wikimedia themed conferences
# figure out how to get someone to do any of the above through a grant, sometimes google summer of code
# find high school and university educators who would like to teach their class journalism by asking them to write articles for Wikinews (was done with [[Category:UoW|University of Wollongong]] in the past, and we have extension installed for marking students)
# collaborate with [[User:Pharos|Pharos]] on getting more news coverage of the New York City and adjacent areas
# proofread, or read, Wikinews articles out loud for Audio Wikinews
# make English Wikinews accounts on various social media like twitter, facebook, blue sky app (sp?), others [in consultation with someone on-wiki first] ensuring you're posting new news articles there with appropriate tags, moderate comments, and setup multiple moderators if possible and document which contributor is in charge of which social network account for Wikinews and how articles are being posted there

Please let me know which of these points you're most comfortable with, and/or would like to learn.

'''''Which points would you like to contribute?''''' Please name up to 3-5 points, if you like. Or suggest your own. :-)

I'm happy to connect with you and guide you in any of the above areas.

Regards, [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 22:54, 16 March 2025 (UTC)

:I like alot of these! 
:#7. I've been meaning to start using IRC for a while. Maybe today's the day.
:#8. Not sure what I can do to help with software development but I have a bunch of friends who know code. 
:#12. I know a few university professors in the history field.
:#14. I've never heard of Audio Wikinews. Sounds self-explanatory. How many articles have audio with them?
:Thanks! [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 00:02, 17 March 2025 (UTC)

== This is terribly overdue! ==

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|style=&quot;font-size: x-large; padding: 2; vertical-align: middle; height: .4em;&quot; | '''The Order of the Humble Pencil'''
&lt;br&gt; For completing ''5 edits''.
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|style=&quot;vertical-align: top; border-top: 1px solid gray;&quot; | Great work! Keep it up! --[[User:Bddpaux|Bddpaux]] ([[User talk:Bddpaux|talk]]) 21:12, 17 March 2025 (UTC)
|}

== Stuff ==

Some of your (recent) contributions have gone stale. Sorry -- keep at it!!--[[User:Bddpaux|Bddpaux]] ([[User talk:Bddpaux|talk]]) 20:27, 18 March 2025 (UTC)

== Darn it! ==

That execution article ROCKED! Is there a snowball's change you could gatwick it? I'll help -- for realz!!--[[User:Bddpaux|Bddpaux]] ([[User talk:Bddpaux|talk]]) 20:39, 18 March 2025 (UTC)

:Thanks for the kind words! I don't think I can gatwick it -- it went stale on Friday, and there have not been any new developments that I'm aware of. I shot myself in the foot by relying too heavily on a source that I later discovered had an apparent paywall (only the first two days were free I guess). On the bright side, I was able to use alot of it for the Wikipedia article, but I wish I could have gotten it published here! It would have been a good one. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 03:49, 19 March 2025 (UTC)

== You ok??? ==

Hope your good???? {{ping|Lofi Gurl}} [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 16:01, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

:I've been borderline kind of freaking out lately. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 22:38, 25 March 2025 (UTC)
::Well, take a few breaths -- back up -- '''re-calibrate the mechanism''' -- and come back soon!--[[User:Bddpaux|Bddpaux]] ([[User talk:Bddpaux|talk]]) 12:31, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

== You've AT LEAST earned this!! ==

[[File:Wikinews WikiNoob.png|210px|left|This [[Wikinews:Contributing Reporter Awards|award]] is presented to new reporters who have started 10 or fewer news articles.]] Keep at it!--[[User:Bddpaux|Bddpaux]] ([[User talk:Bddpaux|talk]]) 12:33, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

:Ahh thank you!! [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 13:08, 1 April 2025 (UTC)
:congrats [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 11:57, 6 April 2025 (UTC)
::thanks! [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 12:58, 6 April 2025 (UTC)

== Articles ==

Your clogging up the queue, please resort to 1 possibly 2 articles at a time. I don't want to see you blocked..... Many of your articles will most likely go stale, or you will abandon them. Sorry for so harsh but its facts... @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 00:19, 14 April 2025 (UTC)

:I've also put a good amount of effort into helping your articles.... Your stressing me out badly.... @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 00:21, 14 April 2025 (UTC)
::Will you please stop needlessly punctuating ''every sentence'' with &quot;...........&quot;? Because it comes off as needlessly shitty to everyone you talk to and that really isn't something I need to be dealing with. No matter the topic it just sets a negative tone right off the bat. Sorry, &quot;but it's facts.&quot; [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 00:28, 14 April 2025 (UTC)
:Coming from a user who constantly abandons articles lol [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 00:22, 14 April 2025 (UTC)
::It's not funny brah, i should report you! But i wont, your harassing me and wikinews!!! °½&lt;½½½&lt;&lt;½½½;½½ @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 00:32, 14 April 2025 (UTC)
::your a sock or troll.... [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 00:33, 14 April 2025 (UTC)
:I found these stubs useful and was pleased. Expanded one yesterday. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 10:17, 14 April 2025 (UTC)

== Interest in notifications for new drafts ==

Hi Lofi Gurl

I'd like to invite you to edit drafts created by other contributors to improve their quality and reduce reviewer load on them, so that more reviewers can review articles written by you. Would you be interested in notifications of the current drafts in the Newsroom, compiled with a note of what the event date and link to article? 

I can make something like [[User:Gryllida/Newsroom]]. If you're interested, would you like to get notified when article '''is created as a new draft''' ([[:Category:Developing]]) or when it is '''submitted for review''' ([[:Category:Review]])? 

Many thanks. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 23:12, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

:Yes, I would love that. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 23:16, 15 April 2025 (UTC)
::Awesome thanks. Which option would you prefer, articles created in Developing or in Review category? [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 23:28, 15 April 2025 (UTC)
:::Definitely developing. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 23:29, 15 April 2025 (UTC)
::::Would you like to get notifications 'instantly' for each new draft, or weekly?
::::Would you be OK if these notifications were delivered to your personal talk page? [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 23:35, 15 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::Instantly would be great. Yeah, my talk page would be fine starting out, but if we could find a way for them to only show up in my notifications inbox, that would be good too. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 23:50, 15 April 2025 (UTC)
::::::great thanks i will try to figure out how to make this work [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 10:55, 16 April 2025 (UTC)
::May I ask about your devices: how many, what OS, have you used an RSS feed reader before? [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 11:08, 16 April 2025 (UTC)
:::I mainly edit on my laptop using Windows 10. No I've never used an RSS feed reader before. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 19:20, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

== idaho police story ==

published after an edit to write in active voice, great writeup thanks heaps [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 10:54, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

== Don't edit my articles ==

Thanks [[Special:Contributions/64.39.81.71|64.39.81.71]] ([[User talk:64.39.81.71|talk]]) 17:11, 17 April 2025 (UTC) @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]]

:Why not? [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 17:34, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
::Sorry got ahead of myself [[Special:Contributions/64.39.81.71|64.39.81.71]] ([[User talk:64.39.81.71|talk]]) 18:32, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
:Anyone can edit anyone's article. This is not bbc nor a blog. Articles belong to Wikinews, not to individual authors. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 19:51, 17 April 2025 (UTC)

== [[Suspect taken into custody and charged after Pennsylvania governor Josh Shapiro is forced to evacuate gubernatorial mansion with family following suspected arson attack]][ ==

is there a court date scheduled for this? [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 10:37, 20 April 2025 (UTC)

:Ill look into it when i ge5 home [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 17:54, 20 April 2025 (UTC)

== Hello ==

I just wanted to say hi. @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 18:57, 20 April 2025 (UTC)

:Hey BigKrow! [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 19:47, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
::I seem to have an imposter, a pain in my side, @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]], @[[User:BigKrow2|BigKrow2]] [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 19:49, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
:::Also @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]], @[[User:Gryllida2|Gryllida2]] [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 19:50, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
::::@[[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]], notified. [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 19:50, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::I really hope this is just some random child that doesn't know the actual severity of what they're doing here. But that is clearly someone who has been kicked from the project multiple times. Just ignore the humanoid. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 19:58, 20 April 2025 (UTC)

== BigKrow2 ==

Please tell me your really not me @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]],

I wouldn't be superised. 

Also @[[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] and @[[User:Gryllida2|Gryllida2]]

@[[User:MeDaWikipedian|MeDaWikipedian]] [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 21:03, 20 April 2025 (UTC)

:You're accusing me of being that guy who impersonated Bddpaux last year? Is that what you're saying? [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 21:06, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
::Honestly I think you are. Trying to sneak back in .... @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 21:08, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
:::Why? What basis do you have for that? [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 21:09, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
:That shit happened before I created my account, but I saw it happen. Is every new user here going to be accused of being that person then? [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 21:08, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
::Prove your innocence then, @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 21:10, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
:::How? You have to open a sockpuppet investigation into me I guess. Why are you making baseless accusations? [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 21:12, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
::::I'm just checking but you might be a sock puppet account you changed the article fucks to some other story suspicious. @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] @[[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 21:13, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::Why is that suspicious? I turned a vandalism article into a stub. You're being silly. Your baseless accusations are disruptive. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 21:20, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
::::::Prove your innocence, @[[User:MeDaWikipedian|MeDaWikipedian]] [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 21:21, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::::@[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 21:22, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::Once again -- ''how?'' [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 21:22, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
::::::I can't check user you right now but, I'm always watching you.... @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 21:24, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::::Why? Why do you think I am this user? Why do you want to checkuser me? [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 21:30, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
::::::::I have my suspicions. @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 21:33, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::So it's just conjecture? I'm not Me Da Wikipedian. Why are you suspecting me of sockpuppetry? [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 21:40, 20 April 2025 (UTC)

== I suffer from bad mental health issues ==

I know my behavior has been negative to you, so by taking responsibility for my words towards you, I just don't want to be blocked from editing Wiki news. And thinking you are a sock is wrong of me. Lofi Gurl you don't have to accept my apology but I do hope you understand where I'm coming from about my mental health. Thank you for listening. @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 16:14, 21 April 2025 (UTC)

:Okay? I am never afforded understanding or forgiveness when my mental health issues cause problems in relationships. I'm just frankly tired of this crap. Youve been making me not want to log in [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 17:18, 21 April 2025 (UTC)
::You can only make your own decisions, I say you keep working get past this and move forward @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 19:29, 21 April 2025 (UTC)
:::Agreed. This was a waste of time. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 20:17, 21 April 2025 (UTC)

== Thank you for not retiring ==

Thank you for sticking around! Your well needed here. Thanks. @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 16:24, 22 April 2025 (UTC)

:🙂🥳👍⚡️ [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 17:22, 22 April 2025 (UTC)

== Sources fill ✍️ ==

Hi, at my personal talk page at Wikipedia there is a user script, which may be copy pasted to [[Special:MyPage/common.js]], that adds a new button in the editor: it prompts for an URL, generates a filled source template for it, and copies it to clipboard. It reliably inserts the source title at least 🤣 In many, but not all, cases it also gets the publisher and date -- though not always in the right &quot;April 22, 2025&quot; format -- properly, too. Then, if in the visual editing mode, I double click the pasted source to fix if needed. Perhaps this could help you save time.  [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 17:45, 22 April 2025 (UTC)

:Yes I was actually going to ask if we could program something like that, because en.wp has it. Thank you! [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 17:59, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
::Is it working for you? [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 00:31, 4 May 2025 (UTC)
:::Do you have a link to the script? I tried to access the script from your Wikipedia talk page from the section titled &quot;Script&quot; but it just lead me to a deleted page. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 00:36, 4 May 2025 (UTC)
::::[[User:Gryllida/common.js]] -&gt; 
::::&lt;pre&gt;importScript('User:Gryllida/js/add-source-in-visual-editor.js');&lt;/pre&gt;
::::[[User:Gryllida/js/add-source-in-visual-editor.js]]
::::Works in 'Source editing' mode if it is the same toolbar as Visual Editor.
::::It adds a star icon. Clicking it prompts for the news URL, and then a few seconds alter it adds the filled source template at cursor position.
::::Note that date may be missing. Authors usually are missing. Publisher name isn't always correct (needs to be such that you can wikilink to wikipedia). So you need to check what it generated. But at least it gets title and date right 90% of the time for me and it makes writing easier.
::::Hope it helps. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 06:11, 4 May 2025 (UTC)

== Minor edit urgent please? ==

Hi Lofi Gurl

I think it is best of someone adds a source and attribution about the '51' number of injuries.

The article was already published, so this needs to be done immediately, so that the approval of the edit can be done within less than 24 hours.

Please see [[Talk:Kamikaze_drone_attacks_bus_near_Dnipropetrovsk,_Ukraine,_allegedly_war_crime|this page]] for more details.

BigKrow refused to do it, now I have the request for your help as my last hope.

Looks like nobody else currently active at the wiki this weekend.

Thanks heaps, [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 22:54, 25 April 2025 (UTC)

:Hey! Let me know what you think of my revision. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 23:56, 25 April 2025 (UTC)
::Thank you for the edit. 
::If you click the image of the bus, in description, it links to a few sources. One of them is a telegram post by someone, possibly military official from Ukraine. I think it could be added as source and in article text the '51' figure could be attributed to that source specifying their name and whatever role is associated with their nick in telegram. If you can do this soon, I can approve it. Thanks. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 05:31, 26 April 2025 (UTC)

== Saying hi ==

@[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]], how are you? [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 01:05, 2 May 2025 (UTC)

:Taking it one day at a time. Thanks for asking. How are you doing friend? [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 17:15, 2 May 2025 (UTC)
::I'm living heh, glad to hear your doing okay. @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 17:17, 2 May 2025 (UTC)

== Yo BigKrow ==

@[[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] Can I ask a favor? Can you go on the Lady Gaga article and fill out the sources, and then submit for a review? I'm heading into the city to attend a concert at the moment. Thanks. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 22:49, 10 May 2025 (UTC)

:@[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]], I got you! [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 00:16, 11 May 2025 (UTC)

== How are you? ==

@[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 22:47, 11 May 2025 (UTC)

:Kinda hungover. Didnt get great sleep last night. Slept in my car because I didnt want to risk a DUI after the concert. Im excited to hopefully feel better tomorrow. How are you? [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 23:16, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
::Well I'm here for you my friend. I'm doing alright. Take it easy! @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 00:40, 12 May 2025 (UTC)
:::Appreciate it! [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 00:50, 12 May 2025 (UTC)

== You ok? ==

@[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 21:15, 14 May 2025 (UTC)

:yeah, i'm fine. thanks [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 00:28, 15 May 2025 (UTC)

== Hi, how do you read me ==

Hi, I included you at your request into the &quot;pingrr&quot; list recently. You'd've received a few dozens of &quot;RR&quot; echo notifications in the last two weeks. Did they arrive? Could you please tell me what is preventing you from responding to them?

Revision requests are an essential part of the collaboration process, and your participation is vitally important. Please provide me with the feedback, it would help me a lot with making this process more efficient and easier for you to use.

Thanks. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 05:24, 18 May 2025 (UTC)

:Sorry, its currently busy season at work. I work in lawn care. I try to make revisions when I can, and I certainly respond more than at least 80% of the people who are pinged. Im sorry my volunteer time is limited at the moment. Several of my articles went stale waiting for review priod to my involuntary wikibreak. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 23:13, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
::No problem. I just wanted to check the setup is working. Ping me if you have a news story in mind but no time to write of it. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 10:26, 19 May 2025 (UTC)

== Top article in April! ==

[[File:Wikinews-barnstar-2025.webp|thumb|left|alt=Award for highest monthly page-views.|Original author for the top article published in April, 2025. The article has at least 1,754 views, the highest for year so far!]] Thank you for starting the article titled &quot;[[Streaming platform Twitch bans rapper Kanye West seven minutes into first stream for performing &quot;Nazi salute&quot;]].&quot; The article has the most number of page-views of all articles published in April of 2025, and the highest so far of 2025! Bam! 💥 

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Thank you for your continued efforts at not only starting new articles but contributing to others as well. Your collaborative efforts are greatly appreciated. —[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 12:54, 20 May 2025 (UTC)

:Awesome! I can't wait to get back to writing. I have some merciless &quot;{{w|adulting}}&quot; to attend to in my personal life at the moment. When I'm back writing, you'll all know it. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 13:52, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
::Totally understand. Take care of what you need to, and we’ll be glad to see you back when the time’s right. Looking forward to it! —[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 15:55, 20 May 2025 (UTC)

== Come back please ==

Wikinews needs you, @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 15:47, 15 June 2025 (UTC)

:Hey. I heard about what's going on. Im going to try to find some free time this week to get some articles written to try to help save the project. Sorry for the radio silence [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 17:20, 29 June 2025 (UTC)
::@[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]], thanks for sticking around! [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 19:28, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

== Your stories are stale ==

Sorry, @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 20:09, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

:Are you sure? The gambling story happened Friday and the Beyonce story happened last night, from what I can tell. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 20:14, 29 June 2025 (UTC)
::You need stories to be '''&quot;fresh&quot;''' even a day old is stale. @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 20:19, 29 June 2025 (UTC)
:::Ideally yeah, but it's not stale until seven days have passed since the focal point of the story. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 21:14, 29 June 2025 (UTC)
::::Ok [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 22:20, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

== Hello from Gryllida ==

Hi @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]]

Would you be interested in joining as a reviewer? If you were, I or another reviewer of your interest would be doing it together with you for the first several months to assist.

Similarly, would you be interested in helping with page deletions and blocking users, and removing vandalism. Is this something you have done before and do you have an interest?

Are there any changes to the workflow that you would consider helpful?

Are you on any IM platform such as Discord, Linphone (SIP), Matrix, where we could exchange messages, screenshots, and sometimes audio calls?

Regards, - [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 21:04, 8 July 2025 (UTC)

:Hey! That sounds like a good offer. Definitely curious to see what I can bring as a reviewer. I have no expirience blocking users or deleting pages. Give me a few days to sleep on it. Thanks! [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 15:02, 9 July 2025 (UTC)
::Hey Lofi Gurl, and are you on any of the IM platforms? Maybe Telegram? [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 17:53, 6 August 2025 (UTC)
:::I plan on creating a discord account for my Wiki stuff. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 18:07, 6 August 2025 (UTC)
::::any luck? [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 15:48, 14 January 2026 (UTC)

== Community response to SPTF's recommendation to close ''Wikinews'' ==

The Wikimedia Foundation’s Sister Projects Task Force (SPTF) has issued a [[m:Public consultation about Wikinews|recommendation to close Wikinews]]. A community response to the Task Force is underway and I believe it's critical that we show clear support from contributors, reviewers, and administrators if we want Wikinews to remain open.

If you believe Wikinews still has potential for revitalization and should remain active, I ask that you:

* Review and help improve the draft community response, and/or
* Add your endorsement once you're comfortable with the language

The goal is to finalize the draft before the [[m:Event:Community_consultation_on_Wikispore/Wikinews,_call_1|July 16 Task Force call]], so our response is ready for consideration.

You can find the draft here:
👉 [[Wikinews:Response to Proposal for Closing Wikinews]] 

Thanks for considering. —[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 14:49, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

== Thank you my friend! ==

Good work on la explosion [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 22:12, 18 July 2025 (UTC) @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]]

:Thanks for bringing the story! [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 22:13, 18 July 2025 (UTC)
::We need to block those ips. @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 22:41, 18 July 2025 (UTC)
:::I reported them, all I can do. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 22:47, 18 July 2025 (UTC)
::::I know.... [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 22:47, 18 July 2025 (UTC)

== Nigerian abductors article ==

If you can find an image to add (even just a file photo or whatever) -- I think we might be able to get that one published. It could use ''maybe'' one more sentence while you're at it too?--[[User:Bddpaux|Bddpaux]] ([[User talk:Bddpaux|talk]]) 14:39, 29 July 2025 (UTC)

:Yeah I'll take a look at it. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 00:44, 30 July 2025 (UTC)

== Top article in July! ==

[[File:Wikinews-barnstar-2025.webp|thumb|left|alt=Award for highest monthly page-views.|Contributing author for the top article published in July, 2025. The article has at least 3,583 views!]] Thank you for contributing to the article titled  &quot;[[20-year-old astrophotographer captures rare solar eclipse on Saturn]].&quot; The article has the most number of page-views of all articles published in July of 2025.

This is your second barn star for top article! Thanks for your continued, hard work!

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== [[Talk:Several people hospitalized after thousands of hotdogs spill following collision on interstate in Pennsylvania]] ==

i published article, please check talk page for feedback thanks [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 17:51, 6 August 2025 (UTC)

== Live chat software trial ==

Live chat software trial (August-September 2025)

Hi, i am running a software to make live chat easier to use. It requires installation of QuasselDroid on Android, Quassel Client on Windows or Mac or Linux, and I don't know what on iOS (let me know if this is your main platform). The software would connect you to the official IRC channel for Wikinews and stay connected including all chat history, including when you closed the app. I am achieving this by hosting it on my Quassel Core on my server. If you are interested in trying this option, please install the Quassel Client software, and after this is done (not before), ensure you have a working email in your [[Special:Preferences]] so i can email you login credentials, and specify your desired IRC nickname. Please note this is open source software with low bandwidth usage and the communication is only via text, so it is not privacy invasive. This platform is older than the web, irc existed since 1980s. Thanks. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 22:03, 7 August 2025 (UTC)

:Hi, please install the Quassel Client, it is free/open source, low bandwidth, low RAM and CPU usage
:and tell me your desired nickname
:I would greatly appreciated if you could use it for a few weeks and then leave me some feedback. This chat platform has 3 reviewers on it, and yourself being sitting in chat all 24/7 via this software could make collaboration much easier as then others could send messages to the group while your device is offline, and you could get notifications on mobile. Thanks [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 20:07, 10 August 2025 (UTC)
::I will install this when I get home from the city today. Thanks [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 20:40, 10 August 2025 (UTC)
:::👍 [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 21:42, 10 August 2025 (UTC)
::::I got them downloaded for both Windows and Android. My name can just be Lofi Gurl on there. Thanks. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 23:03, 10 August 2025 (UTC)

== Train derails article ==

Sad event. Excellent coverage, though.--[[User:Bddpaux|Bddpaux]] ([[User talk:Bddpaux|talk]]) 15:21, 12 August 2025 (UTC)

:Thank you. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 16:15, 12 August 2025 (UTC)

== Re: [[EasyJet pilot dismissed after being allegedly spotted naked and intoxicated in 5-star hotel, reports say]] ==

Hi Lofi Gurl

* please refocus on a recent event with [[WN:IP|inverted pyramid]] and re submit @ [[Talk:EasyJet pilot dismissed after being allegedly spotted naked and intoxicated in 5-star hotel, reports say]]

Regards, [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 22:19, 19 August 2025 (UTC)

== Re: [[Stunt performer set ablaze for cover artwork of Pink Floyd album dies aged 88]] ==

can you please try to find a photo of the person in 12h to add to story thanks [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 22:23, 19 August 2025 (UTC)

:The only one I have of him is from Wikipedia and it's fair use only. I don't know how to obtain permission to use that here. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 22:32, 19 August 2025 (UTC)

== Thank you!!! ==

For your help with the church shooting article! @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 00:25, 28 August 2025 (UTC)

:No prob! [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 01:06, 28 August 2025 (UTC)

== Thank you ==

For the help on shark story! @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 00:27, 7 September 2025 (UTC)

:No, thank you for getting the story! [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 00:33, 7 September 2025 (UTC)

== Top article for August! ==

[[File:Wikinews-barnstar-2025.webp|thumb|left|alt=Award for highest monthly page-views.|Original author for the top article published in August, 2025. The article has at least 2,685 views.]] Thank you for starting the article titled &quot;[[Several people hospitalized after thousands of hotdogs spill following collision on interstate in Pennsylvania]].&quot; As of today, the article has the highest number of page-views of all articles published in August of 2025.

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Hot diggity dog, you nailed it![[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 16:30, 14 September 2025 (UTC)

:Congrats for your article! Attracting that amount of readers to a story about a local hot dog spill is not small feat. [[User:Dsuke1998AEOS|Dsuke1998]][[Special:Contributions/Dsuke1998AEOS|AEOS]] ('''[[User talk:Dsuke1998AEOS|talk]]''') 01:09, 16 September 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks guys! [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 14:58, 16 September 2025 (UTC)

== How are you? ==

hi pal @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 00:51, 23 September 2025 (UTC)

:Im okay. Moving this weekend. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 10:51, 23 September 2025 (UTC)

== Hi friend ==

How you doing? @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 18:13, 6 October 2025 (UTC)

== Reviewing ==
Hi - I'm new here, trying to help out (recruited from elsewiki). I see you've been contributing here a while - is it possible you are ready to become a reviewer? Would that interest you? I'm still learning what's going on here. [[User:Tduk|Tduk]] ([[User talk:Tduk|talk]]) 21:26, 9 October 2025 (UTC)

:I actually have an open request for reviewership open somewhere haha! [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 21:33, 9 October 2025 (UTC)
::I'm trying to get some reform going to save this cite, maybe you have some input. I posted at [[Wikinews talk:Newsworthiness]]... [[User:Tduk|Tduk]] ([[User talk:Tduk|talk]]) 22:40, 9 October 2025 (UTC)
::Reviewer permission granted. Congratulations, Lofi Gurl! Just reviewing one story a week would be more than sufficient, I think doing more than that is a risk of burnout. Up to you. :) Let me know if any questions. Thanks, [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 02:40, 10 October 2025 (UTC)
:::This is awesome news! Yeah, one review per week sounds good to me. Thank you! [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 18:03, 10 October 2025 (UTC)
:::: Congratulations! I'll help out however I can. My availability will be short and sporadic likely for the next week. But the goal is not to just hand you the reviewer role and let you learn it on your own (that happened to me). 
:::: First step is ensuring you now see the &quot;Review&quot; action in the top-right of your browser when you view articles in the review queue. Once you click on &quot;Review&quot; for an article, you should now see an interface that allows you to select options via drop-down menus for the five areas we review. All of those drop-downs must be &quot;pass&quot; for the article to pass. Otherwise the gadget will label the article 'not ready.'
:::: Have a look at the following for other advice and info:
:::: 
::::* [[User:Michael.C.Wright/Review process study/Reviewer lane|Michael.C.Wright/Review process study/Reviewer lane]] (brief overview of full, reviewer workflow)
::::* [[Wikinews:Review checklist|Review checklist]] (process of reviewing)
::::* [[Wikinews:Tips on reviewing articles|Tips on reviewing articles]] (old essay representing the intent of the 'modern review process')
::::* [[Wikinews:Publish checklist|Publish checklist]] (additional steps needed once an article passes review)
:::: [[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 13:21, 11 October 2025 (UTC)
:::::Congratulations @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] on becoming a new reviewer! I also think new reviewers might benefit from [[Wikinews:Gadgets and Tools/easyPeerReview|documentation on how to use the easyPeerReview]] gadget (this is the gadget that shows the &quot;Review&quot; option in the top-right tools menu and opens the review template with dropdown options). If any reviewer is interested, perhaps a short guide for the gadget would be helpful. Although, I am not sure if there's already any documentation available for the easyPeerReview gadget. [[User:Asked42|Asked42]] ([[User talk:Asked42|talk]]) 15:07, 11 October 2025 (UTC)
:::::: After some digging I found [https://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Template:Peer_reviewed#Use_.5BUsing_Easy_Peer_Review.5D this] but it could use expanding. That's something I can do, possibly within the next few weeks if someone else doesn't get to it beforehand.[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 14:22, 13 October 2025 (UTC)
::Hey - I saw your post elsewhere where once again you expressed your frustration at what is going on in this site. I'm sorry if my attempts to get _some_ change going in time to make a difference bothered you, and definitely not happy that no change happened and that people obfuscated the issue on the talk page to the point where nothing was clear. That all speaks to the problems here. There is so much disrespect floating around on this site currently, I do tend to think that there isn't much to be done as it is right now. I fully understand your frustration, and seeing it was part of what motivated me to seek change. This site was in a state of emergency and no one acted to fix it. Anyway maybe I'll bump into you on en.wikipedia proper, I'm sure if you want to you'll find something to contribute; or if not there, who knows where else? [[User:Tduk|Tduk]] ([[User talk:Tduk|talk]]) 15:18, 4 December 2025 (UTC)
:::Thanks for the message. Your efforts did not bother me at all. It wasn't like this when I first joined. Some of my articles would go stale waiting for review, but it was rare. My previous 8-9 articles over the last few months, and not a single one got reviewed. It is what it is. Yeah, you'll probably see me over at the current events articles on ENWP in the future. At least there you can work at your own pace. Why feel pressure to write fresh content if it can't get reviewed on time anyway? [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 16:30, 4 December 2025 (UTC)
::::Exactly - and the fact that no one was doing the reviews certainly puts out the message - whether true or not - that the reviewers care less about this project than the ones submitting the articles. This is made worse by the fact that there may be more reviewers than article contributors at this point. Regardless, we really needed a short term solution here, and no one was interested (actually, some WERE interested, but it got obfuscated away. Some people even claimed you supported the status quo!) So it goes! At least personally I met a few nice wiki folks I would not have found otherwise. [[User:Tduk|Tduk]] ([[User talk:Tduk|talk]]) 16:57, 4 December 2025 (UTC)
:::::It could be argued that I was more in a position to make an impact here since I was nade reviwer, but truthfully I just dont really know what I'm doing. I definitely didnt support the status quo, I just was not interested in loosening the site's guidelines. I just cant help but wonder how this looks to the outside -- all these articles getting neglected and trashed while dozens are calling for the whole thing to be shut down. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 18:16, 4 December 2025 (UTC)
:::::: With EzPR 2025, we can do partial reviews. So you could start a review and when you get to a point where you want help, you can save the partial review and tag another reviewer for a hand (I'd be happy to help). 
:::::: Also, if the review process is daunting enough to keep you from doing the review, I think it would help everyone if you could articulate what is holding you back. It could be that the same thing is impacting other reviewers and it should therefore be changed.
:::::: You have fresh eyes on the review process and may see things differently than those who have done it for some time.[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 22:06, 4 December 2025 (UTC)
:::::::That sounds like it might be worth a try. How do I access EzPR 2025? [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 13:44, 5 December 2025 (UTC)
:::::::: It should show up in the Tools menu, the same place EzPR shows up (for me, they are stacked on top of each other in the right-hand sidebar). If you view an article [[Raccoon found passed out in liquor store after drunken rampage|marked for review]], you should see &quot;Review (EPRv2)&quot; in your Tools. That's it.
:::::::: If you'd like to start with the [[Raccoon found passed out in liquor store after drunken rampage|Racoon story]], I'll step away from it. Initially to me it looks like a relatively solid article and is light-hearted, with little risk of serious ramifications of libel or defamation if we get it wrong (as opposed to an interview with a prominent figure, for example).[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 14:10, 5 December 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::The EzPR 2025 will not show up automatically like the old one. EzPR is enabled by default for all reviewers as a gadget, while EzPR 2025 is not currently a gadget.
:::::::::So @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]], if you want to use it, let me know and I can enable/install it for you. After that, you will find &quot;Review (EPRv2)&quot; in your Tools menu. -- [[User:Asked42|Asked42]] ([[User talk:Asked42|talk]]) 14:21, 5 December 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::: Ahhh, sorry. I thought it was now in testing by all reviewers.[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 14:22, 5 December 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::I can enable it for all reviewers by default, so they don't have to manually install it. But I chose not to do that initially because it seems a bit bold to me. -- [[User:Asked42|Asked42]] ([[User talk:Asked42|talk]]) 14:31, 5 December 2025 (UTC)
::::::::: @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]], I went ahead and published the raccoon story. But feel free to jump into the next story you feel comfortable with.[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 15:24, 5 December 2025 (UTC)

{{outdent|11}}Sometimes bold is good. ツ I think you've been very careful so far and personally trust that you won't blow anything up. But its your call. [[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 14:41, 5 December 2025 (UTC)

== Top article in September! ==

[[File:Wikinews-barnstar-2025.webp|thumb|left|alt=Award for highest monthly page-views.|Contributing author for the top article published in September, 2025. The article has at least 4,083 views!]] Thank you for contributing to the article titled  &quot;[[Shark attack kills Australian surfer off Long Reef Beach, Sydney]].&quot; The article has the most number of page-views of all articles published in September of 2025.

Your name keeps popping up as a contributor or original author in the monthly top article. Thank you for your continued effort! This was also the highest number of page-views yet this year.

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== welcome back  ==

Hi friend glad to have you back @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 19:01, 19 October 2025 (UTC)

:Thanks. Good to finally have internet again. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 19:10, 19 October 2025 (UTC)

== Hello ==

Saw your story about Sam Rivers. Unfortunately I am away and cannot review until around mid November.

Please check [[Newsroom]] and [[WN:IRC|live chat]] to help with editing other reports as this may help publish yours sooner.

Thanks [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 07:09, 20 October 2025 (UTC)

:Heard. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 17:23, 20 October 2025 (UTC)

== Scoop access ==

As a reviewer, you should have access to Scoop so that you can receive OR material. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] manages the email server and should be able to set up an account for you. If you haven't done so already, you should reach out and request an account. It might be a while before you're comfortable reviewing OR, and that's okay. It is a bit of a different beast. But you should have access to Scoop now so you can see the material and otherwise use it to assist with developing OR and getting it closer to a publishable state.[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 18:22, 21 October 2025 (UTC)

:For scoop account username: it is not the same as your wiki login; unfortunately the email server was not setup for OAuth login. Usually, but not always, it's the legal first name and last name, to make the request more professional in the case you might need to contact one of the OR involved parties to confirm some information; one of the reviewers uses just their first name only for the username and one used their wiki nick. '''Please tell me what username for scoop email you would like.''' Regards, -- [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 18:51, 21 October 2025 (UTC)

== Using EasyPeerReview ==

Hey there, I finally got around to starting a help page for EasyPeerReview at [[Help:EasyPeerReview]]. Verify you have access to EzPR (you see the Review link in Actions when viewing an article marked with {{tl|Review}}) and have a look at the help page. Let me know if the page is actually helpful. 

Let me know if you want to jump into a review together or if you have any questions about the process, where to find things, etc.[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 16:42, 12 November 2025 (UTC)

:Hi. Sorry for disappearing. I recently moved out of my parents' house and I am working three jobs now. I have not had time for wiki projects unfortunately. I can't lose monentum towards getting my shit together in real life. I hope to have a new laptop this winter and hope to be back going strong around that time. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 16:06, 15 November 2025 (UTC)
:: Get yer shit together, why don't ya? ツ
:: No worries. It sounds like you are making the right priorities. 👍[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 16:24, 15 November 2025 (UTC)
:::Thank you for understanding. I just went down from three jobs to two, so I am hoping I can at least start helping out with pre-reviews more regularly. I'm nervous about doing full reviews by myself though. I'm so sorry for falling off the grid. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 01:16, 20 November 2025 (UTC)

== You still with us? ==

Haven't heard from you in awhile. @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 23:33, 18 November 2025 (UTC)

:I'm not really able to contribute in any meaningful way with the amount of free time I currently have. Sorry. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 18:50, 19 November 2025 (UTC)
:Thank you for checking in though homie, the last two months in particular have been pretty challenging for me. But I'm getting through it. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 01:25, 20 November 2025 (UTC)
::Sending good vibes! You got this! @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 02:44, 20 November 2025 (UTC)
::Please consider to try [[User:Asked42/Taglet]] it is a 5 min a day commitment to a triage process of new drafts, that helps other users a lot. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 12:55, 21 November 2025 (UTC)

== Welcome back  ==

Hi friend @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 18:32, 27 November 2025 (UTC)

:Good to see ya [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 18:41, 27 November 2025 (UTC)
:Happy turkey day [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 18:41, 27 November 2025 (UTC)

== My attacks on you as a person ==

It might sound like the same old thing, but I do in fact apologize to you for my negative attacking of you. You can choose to accept or decline my attempted apologize, thank you again. @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 17:33, 4 December 2025 (UTC)

:Its fine, no hard feelings. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 17:42, 4 December 2025 (UTC)
::Same [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 17:47, 4 December 2025 (UTC)

== Never give up my Friend  ==

I will never lose Faith in you. We have had our spats but positivity is good for us. Hope life gets better. Talk soon? @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 23:05, 7 December 2025 (UTC)

:Yeah, you'll see me around. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 00:02, 8 December 2025 (UTC)
:Sorry for the profane edit summaries today [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 00:22, 8 December 2025 (UTC)

== Wasn't expecting ==

Hey thanks so much for helping the drug bust story. I wasn't expecting anyone to help it out. My bad abandoning habits. Anyways thank you! You did a great job by the way! @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 02:02, 9 December 2025 (UTC)

:Thanks dude [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 02:18, 9 December 2025 (UTC)

== Well done ==

Great job @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 00:47, 13 December 2025 (UTC)

:thanks. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 00:50, 13 December 2025 (UTC)

== Starting a review ==

Hi, hope you Are doing well. From [[Wikinews:Requests for permissions/Removal/Lofi Gurl|your comment]], it appears you were struggling to start a review on an article as you mentioned you couldn't find any buttons. For your convenience, I've prepared a Review Launcher. 

Just [[Wikinews:Easy Peer Review (2025 version)#Review launcher widget|visit the page]], enter the article name you want to review, and click the &quot;Start Review&quot; button. That's it. After clicking Start Review, you will be redirected to the article page, wait for 1-2 seconds and the peer-review form should open for you. Use that form to submit your review result. I hope this isn't too complicated. If at any point you feel lost, just let me know. 

I understand that you may not be interested in reviewing at the moment, but if the reason is simply not knowing how to start the review, this approach might be helpful. -- [[User:Asked42|Asked42]] ([[User talk:Asked42|talk]]) 15:31, 21 December 2025 (UTC)

:A detailed documentation on how to use the peer-review form is [[Wikinews:Easy Peer Review (2025 version)|available here]]. If you still need more assistance, I can share some screenshots with you via email showing how to use the form. -- [[User:Asked42|Asked42]] ([[User talk:Asked42|talk]]) 15:33, 21 December 2025 (UTC)
::@[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 16:44, 21 December 2025 (UTC)
::Thank you so much. I will keep this in mind once I get my head clear. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 02:12, 23 December 2025 (UTC)

== Revision requested: [[Barnes and noble stabbing]] (December 26) ==
Rewrite is requested

1) Please add a note about whether the victim died. This is essential to clarify this, even if the article mentions &quot;murder&quot;; specify whether the victim died on the scene or in an ambulance or in a hospital. 

Please fix this issue and re-submit for review. -- [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 00:14, 26 December 2025 (UTC)

:Please also move the page. The headline should contain a verb. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 00:16, 26 December 2025 (UTC)

== Published: [[United States, Florida: A man fatally stabs a Barnes &amp; Noble bookstore shopper, claims 'no cause' to police]] (December 26) ==
hello,

this message is sent to all contributors to the article. some of the comments below may or may not be useful to you, please check them carefully for your future edits or for helping to revise after another user.

i did this

1) renamed to clearer headline

2) copyedited second paragraph to replace 'She' with 'The victim'

i am requesting further edits:

1) specify source for '9:22pm'

2) add a photo of a barnes and noble book store

please do these changes now, and i will sight the edits

thank you -- [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 00:31, 26 December 2025 (UTC)

== Published: [[Keyboardist-guitarist of English rock band The Cure dies aged 65]] (January 3) ==
Event over 7 days old. 

Passing as exception in context of following factors
* nobody was around on holidays anyway (I am being lenient) 
* the article is well written 
* it is obituary about a person's whole life so it is still slightly newsy for a while

Please do not consider this as precedent for future articles.

Thanks -- [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 04:42, 3 January 2026 (UTC)

== Revision requested: [[Pile up involving dozens of cars on Japan highway kills two]] (January 3) ==
comment left by reviewer 

1) event dec26 not new anymore see [[WN:Freshness]] 

action requested

1) please report a newer &quot;more current&quot; event not this old one

thanks -- [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 04:57, 3 January 2026 (UTC)

== Published: [[Residents shelter in place for hours after gas leak outside of Los Angeles]] (January 3) ==
Published. Congratulations, and thank you for starting, or revising, the article.

Notes from reviewer:

1) This is on the edge of being old and no longer 'news', but still acceptable.

2) If AI/LLM was used, please leave a note on the article talk page immediately. This is required.

Thank you. -- [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 05:06, 3 January 2026 (UTC)

== Welcome back ==

Hi [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]]

* Follow these instructions [[Wikinews:Easy_Peer_Review_(2025_version)#Getting_Started|get started]] says &quot;''To use it, go to any article that you want to review (make sure it has the {{tl|review}} template). You will find a &quot;Review (EPRv2)&quot; option in your &quot;Actions&quot; menu (in the Vector 2022 skin) or the &quot;More&quot; menu (in the Vector 2010 skin). After clicking this option, a form will appear at the top of the article.''&quot;. are you seeing this button?
Thanks [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 15:48, 14 January 2026 (UTC)

:no, I am not seeing either of these buttons on articles submitted for review. Im only seeing an option to prevreview. I use the 2010 skin. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 16:03, 14 January 2026 (UTC)
:Nevermind, I FINALLY found it. It was under the &quot;More&quot; tab. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 16:06, 14 January 2026 (UTC)

== Revision requested: [[Boy retrieves Nintendo Switch locked away in gun safe, and shoots his father]] (January 19) ==
{{Notify_review/notready|article=Boy retrieves Nintendo Switch locked away in gun safe, and shoots his father|author=Lofi Gurl|reviewer=Michael.C.Wright}} -- [[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 14:53, 19 January 2026 (UTC)

== Published: [[Boy retrieves Nintendo Switch locked away in gun safe, and shoots his father]] (January 20) ==
{{Notify_review/passed|article=Boy retrieves Nintendo Switch locked away in gun safe, and shoots his father|author=Lofi Gurl|reviewer=Michael.C.Wright}} -- [[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 18:09, 20 January 2026 (UTC)

:Credit truly goes to [[User:Gryllida]] and [[User:BigKrow]]. All I did was &quot;get&quot; this story. Thanks for running with it! I will attempt to review some articles this week. I will be forced to wing it. Perfectist anxiety is the only thing holding me back at this point. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 19:59, 20 January 2026 (UTC)

== Hello ==

Hi @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] you still around? [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 22:01, 16 February 2026 (UTC)

:Hi. Good to see ya. My heart is not in current events at the moment. I plan to resume involvement here when I am convinced I can make more meaningful contributions. It doesn't look like there has been much activity here. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 22:32, 16 February 2026 (UTC)
::Hi @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] I agree with you that activity has been a bit hit and miss. Could you please let me know what is the criteria for this? What would convince you that the activity level is adequate? Knowing this could help to reach and maintain activity sooner. 😊 Thank you. Regards, -- [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 22:43, 18 February 2026 (UTC)
:::I just think at this point many editors are reluctant to write new articles due to lack of active reviewers, many articles went stale while waiting for review this year. I overestimated what I was able to accomplish as a reviewer, I just don't have the time or focus right now and I'd review articles if I wasn't so concerned about publicly making a mistake. But I think Wikinews needs to be publishing at least one article per day to remain a viable destination for readers and to encourage more participation. I would have done way more these past four months if I didn't have so much crap going on in my personal life related to living situations, employment, transportation and mental health. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 15:20, 19 February 2026 (UTC)
::::got it thanks it sounds reasonable. one article per day is a goal i saw mentioned more than once.  😊 Thank you. Regards [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 00:03, 20 February 2026 (UTC)

== streak proposal ==

Hi, I am proposing to setup [[:w:streak]] goals over a 12 week period: for example, 

* &quot;write one story each two weeks, and [[:wikt:babysit|babysit]] it until it is published&quot;

This could be either authoring a completely new article or this could be taking over someone else's article and doing focused editing on it with active collaboration with others until it is published. It is like a [[:wikt:day shift|day shift]] as you are expected to remain available '[[:wikt:on call|on call]]' to address concerns from another user or reviewer.

The aim of this is to build a habit of participation with [[:wikt:outburst|outburst]]s of eyeballing the page to collaborate with others -- but not every day, to have breaks and reduce [[:wikt:burnout|burnout]]. Could you please check out at '''[[Wikinews:Water_cooler/proposals#Streak_themed_competition_proposal|this section]]''' and let me know what you think? [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 03:15, 22 February 2026 (UTC)

== Here&amp;comma; hold this ==

&lt;div style=&quot;display:flex;align-items:center;justify-content:center;text-align:center;flex-wrap:wrap;margin:2em 0&quot;&gt;[[File:Rainbow trout transparent.png|175px|link=wikipediawikipedia:Trout|alt=a rainbow trout fish]]&lt;div style=&quot;width:280px&quot;&gt;&lt;p style=&quot;font-size: 225%; color: Red;&quot;&gt;'''''Whack!'''''&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style=&quot;font-size: 115%;&quot;&gt;''You've been [[:wikipediawikipedia:Whacking with a wet trout|whacked with a wet trout]].''&lt;/p&gt;&lt;small&gt;{{{1|Don't take this too seriously. Someone just wants to let you know that you did something silly.}}}&lt;/small&gt;&lt;!--Template:Trout--&gt;
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An award for all your edits made while under the in&amp;fllig;uence&amp;period;
[[User:Anohthterwikipedian|Anohthterwikipedian]] ([[User talk:Anohthterwikipedian|talk]]) 00:47, 5 March 2026 (UTC)

:Thank you very much. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 00:49, 5 March 2026 (UTC)
::dont feed into them @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 02:09, 5 March 2026 (UTC)

== srry ==

brah i saw your user page srry. @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 17:53, 11 March 2026 (UTC)

:I went to the BMV in person and they gave me the steps to get it reinstated so it's all good hopefully. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 18:11, 11 March 2026 (UTC)

== queue ==

Just noting there are around 5 stories in queue which were created or substantially expanded by me and I would appreciate if you could have a look! I have none I can publish thus far as I was involved in editing. Thank you! [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 23:06, 11 March 2026 (UTC)

:alright, I'll take a look! [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 23:08, 11 March 2026 (UTC)
::well done! @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 01:16, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Thanks! [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 01:22, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

== Reviewing and publishing ==

Thank you for stepping into the review queue. Reviewing can be thought of as a two-part process:

1. [[Wikinews:Review checklist|Review]]&lt;br&gt;
2. [[Wikinews:Publish checklist|Publish]]

The publishing process involves updating our Main page with the new article. The easiest way to do this is to use [[User:Asked42/LeadManager]], which you'll need to install using the instructions [[User:Asked42/LeadManager#Installation|provided on the tool's page]]. As long as all of the reviewers publish articles immediately after reviewing them, the 5 leads will stay up-to-date. 

Let me know if you need help with anything, or if any part of the checklists is unclear. Much of the review and publishing process becomes second nature to experienced reviewers, and it is easy to forget how overwhelming it can feel in the beginning.[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 13:15, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

:thank you! [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 13:46, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

== The sources section can be the third rail for reviewers ==

Reviewers aren't supposed to add or remove sources as part of the review process. Any source listed is assumed to have been used to directly support statements of fact in the article (because that is what is required of authors). 

When reviewers come across paywalled sources in the sources list, they need to stop the review process and ask the contributors to remove it and any statements supported solely by it. This delays publishing, but helps to ensure accuracy, which is more important than rapid publishing.[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 13:46, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
: And to be clear, this isn't meant to be a criticism, but hopefully helpful 'on-boarding.'[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 17:53, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
::Heard, thanks a bunch [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 20:35, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
:FWIW, while I agree that what described above is one option (and is better than removing the problematic source and leaving content unchanged), it is my position that, if a reviewer had time to remove ''both'' the problematic source and the information that came from it, while remaining confident that all remaining information is verifiable, then, that reviewer is allowed to complete the review and publish the page. I believe that the process I have described reduces delay waiting for author to revise, and does not compromise quality of the review process. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 10:25, 13 March 2026 (UTC)

== Revision requested: [[Woman charged with attempted homicide after allegedly firing shots at Barbadian pop singer Rihanna's house]] (March 13) ==
Hi all...

I would lile to request a major rewrite:

1) LA Times is paywalled. Please replace, and ensure new content is fully verifiable; then re-submit for review.

Please let me know if this is in error, or any questions or request assistance.

Thanks!

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:I dont understand why these sites let me read it and then paywall the article later. Probably so some free news source can't use it as a source for their own article. :P [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 23:28, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
::Maybe they let you read the first 2-3 pages and then after a few pages, start to demand subscription. :-( [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 01:15, 13 March 2026 (UTC)
:::lets take a deep breath and continue on. Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 01:17, 13 March 2026 (UTC)
::::It should be an easy fix. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 01:50, 13 March 2026 (UTC)

== Front page headlines ==

Hi, do you know why [[Australian Minister for Energy lowers fuel standards for 60 days amid rising oil prices, panic buying]] did not show up as one of the front page lead articles after it was published? This has been a recurring problem as discussed at [[Wikinews:Water cooler/technical#Improper 'circle']] and [[Wikinews:Water cooler/technical#The lead articles need to be changed]]. -- [[User:Metropolitan90|Metropolitan90]] ([[User talk:Metropolitan90|talk]]) 15:33, 13 March 2026 (UTC)

:I have no idea honestly. Sometimes when I publish an article, there's a button asking me I want to post it to the front page, sometimes there isn't. I don't think hitting the button has really done anything though, at least for me. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 15:37, 13 March 2026 (UTC)
:: You can still use Lead Manager independently of EZPR 2025. If, for some reason you aren't prompted to update the leads after a successful review or you leave the page without clicking the button, you can still do so by going to [[User:Asked42/LeadManager]]. It will allow you to update the leads individually, serially, or in a custom fashion. 
:: By default, LM pulls in the last five articles into the &quot;title&quot; drop-down field. If you just click in the title field, you will be presented with a clickable list of the last five published articles. You can simply select the target article, &quot;fetch automatically&quot; the first two sentences, tweak the imported text and image if you'd like, then &quot;Start update&quot; will make the changes. 
:: To get used to the tools and processes, you can likely skip the 'additional options' area and just publish a single article after a successful review.[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 16:28, 13 March 2026 (UTC)
::@[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]], Let me know if you want me to install the LeadManager script for you, so that you can just start using it. -- [[User:Asked42|Asked42]] ([[User talk:Asked42|talk]]) 16:38, 13 March 2026 (UTC)
: I have updated the leads to include the article.[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 18:48, 13 March 2026 (UTC)

== Published: [[South Korean military halts small firearms drills after stray bullet strikes young girl on playground]] (March 22) ==
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Hi Lofi Gurl! Thank you for your submission!
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Your article '''[[South Korean military halts small firearms drills after stray bullet strikes young girl on playground]]''' has been reviewed by '''{{User|Gryllida}}''', and it has been accepted and published. '''Congratulations! 🎉'''

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The reviewer's comments and decision are available on the [[Talk:South Korean military halts small firearms drills after stray bullet strikes young girl on playground|article's talk page]].
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Excellent work, please keep it up! We hope you will continue contributing to Wikinews. If you have some time, consider taking a look at other articles currently [[:Category:Developing|under development]] or [[:Category:Review|awaiting review]]. Your help in improving or reviewing them would be greatly appreciated.
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:That was a weird bug: I specified an empty custom comment, as my clipboard was borked.
:Here is a copy...
:A few remarks:
:1. Having checked sources, I needed to make some changes, such as &quot;near the neck&quot; and not &quot;in the neck&quot;, and the bombing incident was last year (not two years ago). Please check the edit history carefully and let me know if any of my changes were incorrect.
:2. I am trying to push towards more exclusive content or more closer follow ups here. Could you please either think of the questions to ask the South Korean Army, or, write a follow up report when the investigations completed and drills resumed?
:3. Barely newsworthy as this is nearly 5 days old but I think this is fine to publish.
:4. For npov balance, recommend including responses from other sources, i.e., from someone who is not a part of the South Korean Army. This may be done up to 24 hours after the story is published.
:Overall, this looks great, I appreciate the report!!! [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 12:37, 22 March 2026 (UTC)

== Revision requested: [[7-ton meteor traverses sky over Ohio and several other US states]] (March 27) ==
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== Revision requested: [[AC/DC guitarist Stevie Young admitted to hospital in Buenos Aires, spokesperson says]] (March 27) ==
Sorry, this report went stale.

Did he survive?

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== Might write some today possibly later ==

thanks @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 16:07, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

:I'll try to do a few reviews before I go out tonight. I'm going to focus on reviews since it's a fair assumption now that nobody will even look at the articles I submit. It's the only way I can try to fix this project's problems at this point. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 16:13, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

== Regarding your move of my article ==

Hello, Lofi Gurl! I think my article is best located at [[Supreme Court of Finland convicts Christians of crimes against the humanity of gays and lesbians in landmark ruling]] rather than [[Supreme Court of Finland convicts politicians of crimes against the humanity of gays and lesbians in landmark ruling]], because, of the four defendants convicted in the case, only one is a politician. The other individual is a bishop. The other two defendants are institutions. The only thing that the four defendants, consisting of two individuals and two institutions, have in common is that they are all Christian. [[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 19:09, 28 March 2026 (UTC)

:okay, sorry for the overreaction. I despise religious fundamentalism and bigotry but I just wanted to make sure the title wasn't going after Christians as some sort of ethnic group or something. But then,  Christianity is a {{w|universal religion}}, so I'm not sure the same principles apply anyway. No idea why I'm saying this. I have {{w|religious trauma}} from my Protestant upbringing and I listen to Satanic {{w|death metal}} every day of my life, and idk I guess I just didn't want thst influence creeping into my writing and creating a potential conflict of interest. Thanks for the message. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 19:40, 28 March 2026 (UTC)

::Thank you for letting me know. I actually went to great lengths to balance the article, get perspectives from all sides, sources from all sides, strongly ground the article in the sources, provide perspectives from all sides, and stay neutral and stick to the facts. This is my very first ever Wikinews article. Since you seem to care about both factuality and neutrality, would you mind reviewing the article? I think it is ready for publication. What do you think? --[[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 20:27, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Yes absolutely. I should have some time to review stuff while dogsitting tonight. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 23:24, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Thank you for your review. I appreciate most of your edits, but in [https://en.wikinews.org/w/index.php?title=Supreme_Court_of_Finland_convicts_Christians_of_crimes_against_the_humanity_of_gays_and_lesbians_in_landmark_ruling&amp;diff=5002549&amp;oldid=5002548 this edit] you removed the global scientific consensus regarding homosexuality saying that it is &quot;emotional language&quot;, but it is scientific language that all scientific, medical, psychological, psychiatric, and pediatric associations, institutions, and organisations use to describe homosexuality, especially against false claims such those made in the pamphlet. I used the World Medical Association as a source, but there are thousands of more sources that use that language. The World Medical Association itself is an international federation of over a hundred national medical associations. Attributing that scientific language to the World Medical Association alone would give readers the incorrect impression that only the World Medical Association holds that position, when in fact it is the common position of all scientific, medical, psychological, psychiatric, and pediatric associations, institutions, and organisations in the whole world. Obviously, it would be impractical to cite every single one of thousands of scientific, medical, psychological, psychiatric, and pediatric associations, institutions, and organisations in the world, which is I cited the World Medical Association, which itself is an international federation of over a hundred national medical associations. Is your review complete? Is the article ready for publication? This is my very first ever Wikinews article, so I'm not entirely familiar with process here. Thank you for your help. [[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 17:49, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::We can just say &quot;according to scientific consensus&quot; then. I mostly just thought the passage was really wordy with way too many adjectives. It's close to being ready for publication. I cleaned it up the best I could without making major revisions and all I need to do now is verify all the claims and check for copyright violations. I'll likely do it later tonight. I was severely hungover yesterday and had to go to sleep early, but I'm good now. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 18:31, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::I'll leave it in your capable hands then! I'm looking forward to the publication of my very first Wikinews article! [[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 23:11, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

Hi, Lofi Gurl! I appreciate your edits and your review, but I think that changing the title made it too vague, and the previous title was more specific. You said that [https://en.wikinews.org/w/index.php?title=Supreme_Court_of_Finland_makes_crimes_against_humanity_convictions_in_landmark_ruling&amp;diff=5002876&amp;oldid=5002875 &quot;Don wanted this title changed I think&quot;], but I actually couldn't find a comment from Don saying that he wanted the title changed. Are you done reviewing the article? Can we publish the article now? --[[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 20:28, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

:I'm concerned I may have made too substantial of changes to the article to remain an uninvolved reviewer. They just announced today Wikinews is closing and I am gutted. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 21:04, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::Your edits seem to be only related to getting the article ready for publicaiton, so that should not be a problem, right? Also, oh no! That's awful! Why are they closing Wikinews? I really put in a lot of work into that article, so is it possible to get it published before? [[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 21:10, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::The project is being closed due to low user engagement. The &quot;current events&quot; module on the front page of Wikipedia does a better job at reporting current events than Wikinews. It is much more timely on Wikipedia, and edits can be published faster because i'm pretty sure that project is not subject to the same libel regulations as this project, as wikipedia is not a news publication. By contrast,  Wikinews has a rigorous review process to ensure quality, which sounds good on paper, but ultimately fails when the existing reviewers are either unable or unwilling to perform a review in time to get it published. Most articles that did manage to get published on this site were usually posted 4-5 days after the fact, when the news cycle has effectively moved on. Ive had an extremely difficult time getting anyone to even look at anything I've written these last six months here on the project. This is an experience shared by [[User:Tduk]]. There were a few successful publications during that time. But lets be real. Wikinews is a failed experiment. The Wikimedia Foundation doesn't want to pay for the server costs to host this project. They want to focus on Wikipedia. I thought I could help get things moving in the right direction and help save the project from closure, but the truth is I simply overestimated this project abd overestimated what I was able to realistically do. Adderall is one hell of a drug. Anyway, for what its worth, I did deeply care about this project, I thought the concept was so cool, I guess some things just dont work in practice. That pretty much sums it up, let me know if you have any further questions. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 18:47, 4 April 2026 (UTC)
::::Disappointing. [[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 20:48, 6 April 2026 (UTC)

== Just a check-in ==

....the India article? Still reviewing that one? Didn't want to mess with it if you are.--[[User:Bddpaux|Bddpaux]] ([[User talk:Bddpaux|talk]]) 19:58, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

== Please don't bite my head off ==

Just a heads up Im starting a Miraheze here about English Wikinews, thanks.

https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:RequestWikiQueue/78142 Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 21:54, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

:I'm not going to bite your head off haha. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 22:09, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::thnx Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 22:12, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::I guess pinging is getting me in trouble with some people so I'll make it quick, https://newswikien.fandom.com/wiki/NewsWikiEN_Wiki Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 22:22, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 22:22, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Someone will need to discuss and decide on new name. I asked whether trademarked word 'Wikinews' can be used, and have not got an answer to that, yet. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 02:32, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

== Negativity ==

You've been a pretty solid contributor and I hope that you don't let the negativity and hypocrisy surrounding this site get to you too much. At least, I've noted how you've been trying to move things more than many others here. [[User:Tduk|Tduk]] ([[User talk:Tduk|talk]]) 02:14, 2 April 2026 (UTC)

:It's fine. Don't worry. I kind of knew this project was a dead end job and wasn't really worth the effort I was putting in trying to save it. I just kept getting sucked back in every time I tried to quit, so in a way I'm kind of glad the project is closing. It was probably going to devolve to a thing where I assumed most of the workload while the more experienced editors scaled back their involvement with the project, per tradition. Oh well. When one door closes, another one opens. I try to remember [https://en.wikinews.org/wiki/User_talk:Lofi_Gurl#En.wn this conversation] when I feel shitty regarding my contributions to this project. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 02:20, 2 April 2026 (UTC)
::I've still got one fresh and one fresh-ish (thanks to you know who) article pending review if you get inspired to try to do something. The most recent one has some pretty unique original reporting in my opinion. [[User:Tduk|Tduk]] ([[User talk:Tduk|talk]]) 16:20, 4 April 2026 (UTC)
:::I have nothing left to give this project, unfortunately. Those messages that admin left us, then bailing on the project completely... Lets just say that if I had a single shit left to give, it is definitely gone now. I might still take a look at the article but I cant promise anything. I'm completely demoralized. Do you contribute at English Wikipedia and/or Wikiquote? Thats where you will usually find me moving forward. Let me know if I can be of any assistance on those projects. 
:::RIP Wikinews, let the record show I believed in you up until the end. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 18:35, 4 April 2026 (UTC)
::::Yes, I'm a long time contributor to other wiki projects, in fact I'm seen you editing some metal pages that are on my watchlist! I was asked to come on here last year to see if I could do anything to make it start to function, but you saw how that went. Anyway it's up to you if you want to review those articles, I'm not expecting anything. I think there are other things going on here. [[User:Tduk|Tduk]] ([[User talk:Tduk|talk]]) 00:17, 5 April 2026 (UTC)
:::::Hell yeah! I have made substantial contributions to various extreme metal-related topics on enwp that I am immensely proud of. If you ever need help in regards to improving those articles, you can always drop a message on my talk page over there. I have also been creating articles for niche subgenres of jazz over there. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 15:11, 5 April 2026 (UTC)
::::::You might get a kick out of reading [[Experimental vocalists perform at Downtown Music Gallery]] before it gets deleted... [[User:Tduk|Tduk]] ([[User talk:Tduk|talk]]) 16:32, 5 April 2026 (UTC)

== Interested? ==

I created a news wiki on Fandom, i have one contributor so far. Please let me know it could use your help! @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 23:15, 4 April 2026 (UTC)

:https://newswikien.fandom.com/wiki/NewsWikiEN_Wiki Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 23:16, 4 April 2026 (UTC)
:Sure, why not. I created an account and tried to create a discussion post, but it says I have to have an account for four days before I can contribute. Here's the story I was trying to share: [https://www.cbsnews.com/texas/news/atlanta-gucci-mane-kidnapped-robbed-dallas-pooh-shiesty-big30/] [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 23:24, 4 April 2026 (UTC)
::OK cool, could you please create a userpage like on Wikinews? Also, I don't know what that glitch could be on the article creation? For now, I will start the article if you're ok with that? Thanks a million! @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 23:39, 4 April 2026 (UTC)
::On my end it says you have not registered (joined). Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 23:42, 4 April 2026 (UTC)
:::Unlike Wikinews Fandom needs you to have a email address. @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 00:05, 5 April 2026 (UTC)
::https://newswikien.fandom.com/wiki/Gucci_Mane_kidnapped,_robbed_at_gunpoint_in_Dallas
::@[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 00:20, 5 April 2026 (UTC)
:::I confirmed my email address so I don't know why it won't let me. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 01:34, 5 April 2026 (UTC)
::::https://www.fandom.com/ try again @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 23:39, 5 April 2026 (UTC)

== Published: [[Supreme Court of Finland makes crimes against humanity convictions in landmark ruling]] (April 6) ==
Hi, all, I am sending this message to all contributors to the article.

News is over a week old but I am publishing. The headline could be better but there is so much controversy about how to put it properly that I am content with the current revision.

Overall as a piece of feedback, it is necessary to be more factual and as much as possible insert facts rather than qualitative characterizations. I believe this has substantially improved in the last few days as the article has been revised. Thank you.

I have read the talk page and I believe the concerns there have been satisfactorily addressed in the recent edits and in the resulting current revision.

Copyright check passed flagging only the quote(s) included in the text.

'''I am recommending to add a sentence about expected consequence (fine, jail time) or if it is unknown then, when is this expected to be determined. If you could please make this change within 24 hours, then it could be sighted and be included in the report.'''

Thanks a lot.

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== [[Court ruling upholds TikTok ban unless ByteDance sells stake]] ==

Hi,

@[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] published the story. Congratulations.

Please review the article history and talk page for feedback from the reviewer.

Regards, -- [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 00:58, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

== [[Suspect in shooting death of UnitedHealthcare CEO fled New York City by bus, police say]] ==

Hi,

I published the story. Congratulations. 🎉

Please review the article history and talk page for feedback.

Regards, [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 01:33, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

:thanks!! [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 01:35, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

== [[Manslaughter charges against Daniel Perry dismissed following jury deadlock]] ==

Published. :-) Please read notes on the talk page. 

Have a great day. 

Regards, [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 10:51, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

== Re: cathedral re-opening ==

Hello,

Published. :-) Please check notes on the article talk page. A copy is included below for your reference:

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There are important, but not critically essential details missing, for example:

* time of day in local time and UTC
* that they planned to do speech outdoors but did it indoors because of a storm
* (is it needed to write '2024' in first paragraph as we already have publish date further up the page)

I could not verify one part:

* Sunday 'morning' mass (source 1 says Sunday, source 2 does not say, or something) -- replaced 'Sunday morning' with 'Sunday'

The above items can be addressed within 24 hours after publication.

The image credit was missing and I added it as a minor edit as a part of the review process. It is required due to the licence requirements.

I recommend the author to also become involved in editing others' submissions -- those of them that are newsworthy, at least -- in the [[Newsroom]], if desired. This may help improve their quality and their chances of publication, and provide experience with proofreading and fact checking in addition to writing and authoring efforts.

Thank you and keep up the great work.

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Regards, [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 10:59, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

== Pace ==

Hi Lofi Gurl, there are not many reviewers available, and I think the current queue may take a couple days to be processed. (I am mostly outdoors and away on weekend.) My apologies, and thank you for reading and writing entertaining and specific stories. :-) [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 11:06, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

:No problem, take your time and enjoy your weekend! [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 15:08, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

== Revisit articles in review queue ==

While waiting for articles I've authored to be reviewed, I often revisit them as long as they aren't under review and 'tighten' them up by making sure they conform to the style guide, that facts are correct, I've chosen good images with useful descriptions (and attributed every image), etc. 

I see that there are style issues in some of your articles currently awaiting review. Please see what you can do to help make the review of these articles easier/quicker.

Consider using {{tl|verify}} to point to exactly what source is used for all information so reviewers who verify information can find it easier. This helps tremendously.  

Thanks. —[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[:Category:Michael.C.Wright_(Wikinewsie)|Published]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 15:53, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

:Are you able to specify the style issues present in the article as a reviewer, or is it my job to figure that out as the reporter? [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 19:59, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
:I haven't checked the article talk pages yet so sorry if this ends up being a pointless question [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 20:00, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
::It is the author's responsibility to know our policies and guidelilnes, to include the [[WN:Style|style guide]]. Reviewers can and often do correct style issues before publishing but they are not required to. It takes more of a reviewers time to correct for style along with everything else they must check before publishing. See [[Wikinews:Reviewing articles]] to understand all the work that goes into reviewing an article. —[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[:Category:Michael.C.Wright_(Wikinewsie)|Published]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 14:24, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

== Great job ==

You are doing a great job here thank you. [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 20:25, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

:Thank you, friend!
:[[File:Red Wine Toast GIF Animation.gif]] [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 20:29, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

== I have a question! ==

{{tl|helpme}} Say an articles goes stale, or fails review for whatever reason. Am I allowed to splice old material and sources from &quot;rejected&quot; articles and use them in future articles, so long as the subject of the article stays fresh, and new developments keep coming in? Thanks. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 20:36, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

:Yes, that's fine. They are released under the creative commons licence indicated in the footer, and you can reuse them at any news articles here or any other place where the licence of content is compatible. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 21:54, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

== [[Impeachment of South Korean president Yoon Suk Yeol fails]] ==

Hi Lofi Gurl :-)

Could you please [[WN:Attribution|attribute]] the &quot;''Political unrest and nationwide protests were expected in response to the axing of the impeachment.''&quot; sentence? Who said this? This would help the sentence to not read as a speculation made on behalf of ''Wikinews''. 

Let me know if you have any questions, I am happy to help.

Regards, -- [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 21:53, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

:From the Associated Press article:
:{{quote|The vote’s defeat is likely to fuel nationwide protests and escalate political turmoil, and opposition parties could introduce a new impeachment motion when parliament reconvenes next Wednesday.}} [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 21:56, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

:This is amazing:
:* [[South Korean Constitutional Court upholds impeachment of President Yoon Suk Yeol]]
:Thank you so much for writing about this topic. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 12:15, 10 April 2025 (UTC)
::Pretty cool we have four articles of coverage spanning the scandal from start to finish! [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 10:02, 11 April 2025 (UTC)

== Wizard of oz slippers story ==

Hi Lofi Gurl

* Missing currency, both in first paragraph and in headline?
* Missing specified location where the auction took place.

Hope you can assist. Let me know if any questions. Thank you. :-)

Regards, [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 04:09, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

:I've found the location and left a note about it at the article talk page. I cannot add it and remain available to review. Could you please check and make the edit? Thank you!!! Regards, -- [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 05:13, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
::I went to sleep before seeing all these. I'm so sorry! [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 13:20, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
:::Hi [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] :-)
:::What is your time zone?  
:::Do you receive notifications in right top corner of the page while you are logged in?
:::Please note on talk page of the slippers story there is a new message &quot;''@Michael.C.Wright - You can add it and I can review? Please confirm within the next hour, or @Lofi Gurl please add it within next hour. Failing that, I'll add it myself and will require another reviewer to publish. Thanks.''&quot;
:::Have a great day.
:::Thanks, [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 23:25, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
::::Yeah, and I need to get better at clearing my inbox, apparently. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 23:44, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::I'm eastern standard time I think. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 00:38, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
::::Left you a '''[[Talk:Slippers_worn_by_American_actress_Judy_Garland_in_1939_film_The_Wizard_of_Oz_break_sales_record,_sold_for_US$28_million_at_auction#Why_the_slippers_were_so_expensive|new message]]''' Hope it helps :-) [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 01:25, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::[[Slippers worn by American actress Judy Garland in 1939 film The Wizard of Oz break sales record, sold for US$28 million at auction]] now published, congratulations. :-) [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 02:14, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::thank you :) [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 02:21, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

== Coffee::Who ==

Hi Lofi Gurl, I've left you a new message '''[[Talk:Coffee_prices_surge_to_record_highs_due_to_droughts_in_Brazil,_Vietnam#Who|here]]'''. Regards, [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 22:31, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

:added a new message now again [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 04:10, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

== Chess article ==

Please see the talk page at that article.--[[User:Bddpaux|Bddpaux]] ([[User talk:Bddpaux|talk]]) 17:44, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

== damascus story ==

i made a few edits. in one sentence needs clarification, i marked it in bold. please check? [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 19:03, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

:Hi!! To answer the quesion/comment/footnote you left in the article -- I found a mention of &quot;Saydnaya prison complex&quot; in the BBC source but they don't specify if that was the prison Timmerman escaped from. It was just mentioned that {{w|the White Helmets}} were storming looking for survivors. Hope this helps! [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 21:43, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
:Also, I think he left prison the same day the city fell on Monday, which was mentioned in the second paragraph. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 21:49, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

== minor edit &amp; thanks ==

hi, i have rejected [https://en.wikinews.org/w/index.php?title=Indian_chess_grandmaster_Gukesh_Dommaraju,_18,_becomes_youngest_world_chess_champion_of_all_time&amp;diff=4809824&amp;oldid=prev&amp;unhide=1 this edit] as this wikilink was already included in a previous paragraph. please let me know if i am incorrect!

thanks for the other edits to the story. they have made it so much nicer and are timely. i appreciate it and approved the other edits.

have a great day, [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 07:45, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

:oops didn't see the other link, thanks [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 08:47, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

== Edits after publication  ==

Please note that our [[WN:Archive]] conventions generally prevent edits to articles 24 hours after publication. Articles are meant to be a snapshot in time. 

Edits within the 24 hours after publication should be limited to only correcting any errors not caught in the review process. 

It is better to have an article fully button-down and ready for publication before requesting review. 

You are more than welcome, even encouraged to help improve other articles. But please focus that energy on articles in the developing queue and review queue unless the article is actively ''under'' review. That way we catch more errors before review and definitely before publication. 

Thanks again for joining and contributing! I can't remember the last time I saw ten articles in the review queue. —[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[:Category:Michael.C.Wright_(Wikinewsie)|Published]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 16:46, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

:[[image:Symbol thumbs up green.png]] [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 22:04, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

== Requested article  ==

hey, {{ping|Lofi Gurl}} https://abc3340.com/news/local/alabama-talladega-county-sheriffs-office

I added this story to requested articles but im not up to starting the article myself... If you can do anything for this would be helpful? Thanks! [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 21:59, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

:Hi, I'm happy to start articles you bring to me, I'm just not sure this story meets the site's notability guidelines.. I'd have to double check though. Thank you though [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 22:02, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
::It does and is '''developing''', not much data so far I suppose.... [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 22:03, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
::We also need a second source. [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 22:04, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
:::we'll play it by ear. This South Korea story is taking way longer than I thought [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 22:20, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
::::Let's please focus on it being published! My request can always wait, thanks. {{ping|Lofi Gurl}} [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 22:22, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

== please vote ==

Hi Lofi Gurl :-)

'''[[Wikinews:Requests_for_permissions|This page]]''' has a handful of requests open. Could you please cast a vote and/or add a comment, ideally for each of them, at your earliest convenience?

Regards, [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 03:19, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

== hi here is a news tip about malware ==

https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/ultralytics-ai-model-hijacked-to-infect-thousands-with-cryptominer/ -- [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 05:04, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

== [[Hundreds of North Korean troops killed fighting Ukrainian forces in Russia]] ==
Hi. Please see my not-ready review comments on the talk page. [[User:Heavy Water|Heavy Water]] ([[User talk:Heavy Water|talk]]) 22:19, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

== Why? ==

Are you making more work for editors? Im not angry just confused.... [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 02:50, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

:I don't know what you're talking about? [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 02:58, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
::You keep abandoning articles mostly you created, why? {{ping|Lofi Gurl}} [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 03:00, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
:What specifically do you mean &quot;making more work for editors&quot;? [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 02:59, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
::more work to clean up after you... [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 03:01, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
:::I'd just delete them if I was able to. Why are you mad? I'm abandoning the articles. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 03:02, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
::::not mad, just confused.... [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 03:03, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
::::You were acting fine before, what happened? {{ping|Lofi Gurl}} [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 03:05, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
:::Stop &quot;RIPing&quot; because it's seen as disruptive behavior, sorry but it seems like it. [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 03:03, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
::::That's fine I'm done writing here anyway. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 03:05, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::Suit yourself..... [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 03:05, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::Then what was your point? Wasting peoples' time? Sad sorry. [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 03:07, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::I'm genuinely confused now. What do you mean &quot;wasting peoples time&quot;? What are you talking about? [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 03:08, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::The project is to work together with one another not to abandon because theres not much activity right now. I won't argue with you anymore.. Sorry... {{ping|Lofi Gurl}} [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 03:14, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::: '''I didn't do anything wrong.''' [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 03:16, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

== En.wn ==
Hi. Thanks for, well, contributing here, I guess. So really, if you want to write fast and write prolifically, maybe Wikipedia is a better fit for you than en.wn in its present state. The project couldn't handle a mass influx of even people highly skilled at writing for it (overwhelms the review process, reporters get demoralized). I'm tempted to say that you overestimated the project and what you could do, but that sounds wrong. I don't know why I'm saying all this. You probably already know it. Of what's left, we are overwhelmingly nice people, for what it's worth, and care deeply about en.wn. Just don't, I guess, overinvest yourself in it. One of our colleagues here likes to say &quot;don't get married to your article&quot;, so perhaps likewise with the concept and future of the project. Then again, a late editor literally saw himself as embarking on a mission to save human civilization from intellectual ruin and mundanity by making something great out of this project. But he was executing a long term plan, that did transform the project. I don't know what this sounds like. I hope it doesn't sound condescending. [[User:Heavy Water|Heavy Water]] ([[User talk:Heavy Water|talk]]) 06:27, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

:Just to let both of you know I wasn't trying to attack {{ping|Lofi Gurl}}. {{Ping|Heavy Water}} [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 13:13, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
:Thanks for taking the time to write this (it didn't come off as condescending). I'll keep it in mind while contributing to the project in the future. Sorry for taking a few days to reply. Been trying to limit internet time. Have a good rest of your weekend! [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 05:31, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

== Lofi Gurl  ==

I was really being a dink to you, apologies. Feel free to continue to write articles here! {{Ping|Lofi Gurl}} [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 16:48, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

:Consider it forgiven. It happens. Onward! [[file:FPClogogif.gif]] [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 21:38, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
::Thank you for creating new news articles you go as fast as you please {{ping|Lofi Gurl}} [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 22:01, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
:::I'm trying to slow down and try to average maybe three per week. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 22:03, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
::::Please write as much as you like and thanks {{ping|Lofi Gurl}} [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 22:05, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

== Welcome back  ==

[[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 18:45, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

:Good to be back. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 18:47, 30 January 2025 (UTC)
::😊 [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 18:47, 30 January 2025 (UTC)
::Welcome back Lofi Gurl [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 03:58, 12 February 2025 (UTC)
:::thanks! [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 08:16, 12 February 2025 (UTC)

== Crash Philadelphia story ==

Hi I copyedited some misspelled words for the article. Hope your well, thanks. {{ping|Lofi Gurl}} [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 00:51, 2 February 2025 (UTC)

:thanks. I'm on my mom's laptop at the moment and she has her shit set up weird, and I can't spellcheck very easily at all right now. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 00:57, 2 February 2025 (UTC)
::It's ok, do your best. {{ping|Lofi Gurl}} [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 01:14, 2 February 2025 (UTC)

== Paywalled ==

Can't you work around it? {{Ping|Lofi Gurl}} [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 21:10, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

:It's gonna be easier to rewrite the entire article at this point, with like 2-3 sources. The project just kept getting bigger and bigger and I shot myself in the foot (or gave my foot the firing squad, if you will). Using this article's content for Wikipedia. Going to focus on my WashingtonDC/suicide/cop article I have started here. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 21:19, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

== Re: revitalising Wikinews ==

Hi, I'm reaching out to you as you indicated support for revitalising Wikinews. Here are a few ways to help out, in no particular order:

# write new articles by [[WN:SG|style guide]] and [[WN:CG|content guide]]
# find news which happened today and share it on [[WN:IRC|live chat]] or [[WN:REQ|a news tip page]]
# read drafts in [[Newsroom]], especially those submitted for review, and edit them to make them more comprehensive or more current
# read drafts in [[Newsroom]], especially those that failed review recently, and address reviewer's comments quickly and re-submit for review
# chat with new authors (of articles in Newsroom) and help them understand the key concepts
# subscribe at [[Wikinews:Water cooler]] (there are 5 subforums, open each and click 'Subscribe' link at top - then keep a close eye on your Echo notifications) to help newcomers and help with editing articles when someone requests assistance
# chat on [[WN:IRC|live chat]] and help newcomers and reviewers with their review process
# help with software development for authoring or reviewing articles, perhaps for the mobile platforms
# chat with other contributors on audio or video chat
# present notes about how Wikinews works at various conferences via audio and video communucations [as we don't have funds for travel at present] this can be linux, programming, journalistical, or wikimedia themed conferences
# figure out how to get someone to do any of the above through a grant, sometimes google summer of code
# find high school and university educators who would like to teach their class journalism by asking them to write articles for Wikinews (was done with [[Category:UoW|University of Wollongong]] in the past, and we have extension installed for marking students)
# collaborate with [[User:Pharos|Pharos]] on getting more news coverage of the New York City and adjacent areas
# proofread, or read, Wikinews articles out loud for Audio Wikinews
# make English Wikinews accounts on various social media like twitter, facebook, blue sky app (sp?), others [in consultation with someone on-wiki first] ensuring you're posting new news articles there with appropriate tags, moderate comments, and setup multiple moderators if possible and document which contributor is in charge of which social network account for Wikinews and how articles are being posted there

Please let me know which of these points you're most comfortable with, and/or would like to learn.

'''''Which points would you like to contribute?''''' Please name up to 3-5 points, if you like. Or suggest your own. :-)

I'm happy to connect with you and guide you in any of the above areas.

Regards, [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 22:54, 16 March 2025 (UTC)

:I like alot of these! 
:#7. I've been meaning to start using IRC for a while. Maybe today's the day.
:#8. Not sure what I can do to help with software development but I have a bunch of friends who know code. 
:#12. I know a few university professors in the history field.
:#14. I've never heard of Audio Wikinews. Sounds self-explanatory. How many articles have audio with them?
:Thanks! [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 00:02, 17 March 2025 (UTC)

== This is terribly overdue! ==

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|rowspan=&quot;2&quot; |
|style=&quot;font-size: x-large; padding: 2; vertical-align: middle; height: .4em;&quot; | '''The Order of the Humble Pencil'''
&lt;br&gt; For completing ''5 edits''.
|-
|style=&quot;vertical-align: top; border-top: 1px solid gray;&quot; | Great work! Keep it up! --[[User:Bddpaux|Bddpaux]] ([[User talk:Bddpaux|talk]]) 21:12, 17 March 2025 (UTC)
|}

== Stuff ==

Some of your (recent) contributions have gone stale. Sorry -- keep at it!!--[[User:Bddpaux|Bddpaux]] ([[User talk:Bddpaux|talk]]) 20:27, 18 March 2025 (UTC)

== Darn it! ==

That execution article ROCKED! Is there a snowball's change you could gatwick it? I'll help -- for realz!!--[[User:Bddpaux|Bddpaux]] ([[User talk:Bddpaux|talk]]) 20:39, 18 March 2025 (UTC)

:Thanks for the kind words! I don't think I can gatwick it -- it went stale on Friday, and there have not been any new developments that I'm aware of. I shot myself in the foot by relying too heavily on a source that I later discovered had an apparent paywall (only the first two days were free I guess). On the bright side, I was able to use alot of it for the Wikipedia article, but I wish I could have gotten it published here! It would have been a good one. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 03:49, 19 March 2025 (UTC)

== You ok??? ==

Hope your good???? {{ping|Lofi Gurl}} [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 16:01, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

:I've been borderline kind of freaking out lately. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 22:38, 25 March 2025 (UTC)
::Well, take a few breaths -- back up -- '''re-calibrate the mechanism''' -- and come back soon!--[[User:Bddpaux|Bddpaux]] ([[User talk:Bddpaux|talk]]) 12:31, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

== You've AT LEAST earned this!! ==

[[File:Wikinews WikiNoob.png|210px|left|This [[Wikinews:Contributing Reporter Awards|award]] is presented to new reporters who have started 10 or fewer news articles.]] Keep at it!--[[User:Bddpaux|Bddpaux]] ([[User talk:Bddpaux|talk]]) 12:33, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

:Ahh thank you!! [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 13:08, 1 April 2025 (UTC)
:congrats [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 11:57, 6 April 2025 (UTC)
::thanks! [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 12:58, 6 April 2025 (UTC)

== Articles ==

Your clogging up the queue, please resort to 1 possibly 2 articles at a time. I don't want to see you blocked..... Many of your articles will most likely go stale, or you will abandon them. Sorry for so harsh but its facts... @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 00:19, 14 April 2025 (UTC)

:I've also put a good amount of effort into helping your articles.... Your stressing me out badly.... @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 00:21, 14 April 2025 (UTC)
::Will you please stop needlessly punctuating ''every sentence'' with &quot;...........&quot;? Because it comes off as needlessly shitty to everyone you talk to and that really isn't something I need to be dealing with. No matter the topic it just sets a negative tone right off the bat. Sorry, &quot;but it's facts.&quot; [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 00:28, 14 April 2025 (UTC)
:Coming from a user who constantly abandons articles lol [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 00:22, 14 April 2025 (UTC)
::It's not funny brah, i should report you! But i wont, your harassing me and wikinews!!! °½&lt;½½½&lt;&lt;½½½;½½ @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 00:32, 14 April 2025 (UTC)
::your a sock or troll.... [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 00:33, 14 April 2025 (UTC)
:I found these stubs useful and was pleased. Expanded one yesterday. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 10:17, 14 April 2025 (UTC)

== Interest in notifications for new drafts ==

Hi Lofi Gurl

I'd like to invite you to edit drafts created by other contributors to improve their quality and reduce reviewer load on them, so that more reviewers can review articles written by you. Would you be interested in notifications of the current drafts in the Newsroom, compiled with a note of what the event date and link to article? 

I can make something like [[User:Gryllida/Newsroom]]. If you're interested, would you like to get notified when article '''is created as a new draft''' ([[:Category:Developing]]) or when it is '''submitted for review''' ([[:Category:Review]])? 

Many thanks. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 23:12, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

:Yes, I would love that. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 23:16, 15 April 2025 (UTC)
::Awesome thanks. Which option would you prefer, articles created in Developing or in Review category? [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 23:28, 15 April 2025 (UTC)
:::Definitely developing. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 23:29, 15 April 2025 (UTC)
::::Would you like to get notifications 'instantly' for each new draft, or weekly?
::::Would you be OK if these notifications were delivered to your personal talk page? [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 23:35, 15 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::Instantly would be great. Yeah, my talk page would be fine starting out, but if we could find a way for them to only show up in my notifications inbox, that would be good too. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 23:50, 15 April 2025 (UTC)
::::::great thanks i will try to figure out how to make this work [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 10:55, 16 April 2025 (UTC)
::May I ask about your devices: how many, what OS, have you used an RSS feed reader before? [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 11:08, 16 April 2025 (UTC)
:::I mainly edit on my laptop using Windows 10. No I've never used an RSS feed reader before. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 19:20, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

== idaho police story ==

published after an edit to write in active voice, great writeup thanks heaps [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 10:54, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

== Don't edit my articles ==

Thanks [[Special:Contributions/64.39.81.71|64.39.81.71]] ([[User talk:64.39.81.71|talk]]) 17:11, 17 April 2025 (UTC) @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]]

:Why not? [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 17:34, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
::Sorry got ahead of myself [[Special:Contributions/64.39.81.71|64.39.81.71]] ([[User talk:64.39.81.71|talk]]) 18:32, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
:Anyone can edit anyone's article. This is not bbc nor a blog. Articles belong to Wikinews, not to individual authors. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 19:51, 17 April 2025 (UTC)

== [[Suspect taken into custody and charged after Pennsylvania governor Josh Shapiro is forced to evacuate gubernatorial mansion with family following suspected arson attack]][ ==

is there a court date scheduled for this? [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 10:37, 20 April 2025 (UTC)

:Ill look into it when i ge5 home [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 17:54, 20 April 2025 (UTC)

== Hello ==

I just wanted to say hi. @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 18:57, 20 April 2025 (UTC)

:Hey BigKrow! [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 19:47, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
::I seem to have an imposter, a pain in my side, @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]], @[[User:BigKrow2|BigKrow2]] [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 19:49, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
:::Also @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]], @[[User:Gryllida2|Gryllida2]] [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 19:50, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
::::@[[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]], notified. [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 19:50, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::I really hope this is just some random child that doesn't know the actual severity of what they're doing here. But that is clearly someone who has been kicked from the project multiple times. Just ignore the humanoid. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 19:58, 20 April 2025 (UTC)

== BigKrow2 ==

Please tell me your really not me @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]],

I wouldn't be superised. 

Also @[[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] and @[[User:Gryllida2|Gryllida2]]

@[[User:MeDaWikipedian|MeDaWikipedian]] [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 21:03, 20 April 2025 (UTC)

:You're accusing me of being that guy who impersonated Bddpaux last year? Is that what you're saying? [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 21:06, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
::Honestly I think you are. Trying to sneak back in .... @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 21:08, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
:::Why? What basis do you have for that? [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 21:09, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
:That shit happened before I created my account, but I saw it happen. Is every new user here going to be accused of being that person then? [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 21:08, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
::Prove your innocence then, @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 21:10, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
:::How? You have to open a sockpuppet investigation into me I guess. Why are you making baseless accusations? [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 21:12, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
::::I'm just checking but you might be a sock puppet account you changed the article fucks to some other story suspicious. @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] @[[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 21:13, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::Why is that suspicious? I turned a vandalism article into a stub. You're being silly. Your baseless accusations are disruptive. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 21:20, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
::::::Prove your innocence, @[[User:MeDaWikipedian|MeDaWikipedian]] [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 21:21, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::::@[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 21:22, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::Once again -- ''how?'' [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 21:22, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
::::::I can't check user you right now but, I'm always watching you.... @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 21:24, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::::Why? Why do you think I am this user? Why do you want to checkuser me? [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 21:30, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
::::::::I have my suspicions. @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 21:33, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::So it's just conjecture? I'm not Me Da Wikipedian. Why are you suspecting me of sockpuppetry? [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 21:40, 20 April 2025 (UTC)

== I suffer from bad mental health issues ==

I know my behavior has been negative to you, so by taking responsibility for my words towards you, I just don't want to be blocked from editing Wiki news. And thinking you are a sock is wrong of me. Lofi Gurl you don't have to accept my apology but I do hope you understand where I'm coming from about my mental health. Thank you for listening. @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 16:14, 21 April 2025 (UTC)

:Okay? I am never afforded understanding or forgiveness when my mental health issues cause problems in relationships. I'm just frankly tired of this crap. Youve been making me not want to log in [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 17:18, 21 April 2025 (UTC)
::You can only make your own decisions, I say you keep working get past this and move forward @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 19:29, 21 April 2025 (UTC)
:::Agreed. This was a waste of time. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 20:17, 21 April 2025 (UTC)

== Thank you for not retiring ==

Thank you for sticking around! Your well needed here. Thanks. @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 16:24, 22 April 2025 (UTC)

:🙂🥳👍⚡️ [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 17:22, 22 April 2025 (UTC)

== Sources fill ✍️ ==

Hi, at my personal talk page at Wikipedia there is a user script, which may be copy pasted to [[Special:MyPage/common.js]], that adds a new button in the editor: it prompts for an URL, generates a filled source template for it, and copies it to clipboard. It reliably inserts the source title at least 🤣 In many, but not all, cases it also gets the publisher and date -- though not always in the right &quot;April 22, 2025&quot; format -- properly, too. Then, if in the visual editing mode, I double click the pasted source to fix if needed. Perhaps this could help you save time.  [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 17:45, 22 April 2025 (UTC)

:Yes I was actually going to ask if we could program something like that, because en.wp has it. Thank you! [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 17:59, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
::Is it working for you? [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 00:31, 4 May 2025 (UTC)
:::Do you have a link to the script? I tried to access the script from your Wikipedia talk page from the section titled &quot;Script&quot; but it just lead me to a deleted page. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 00:36, 4 May 2025 (UTC)
::::[[User:Gryllida/common.js]] -&gt; 
::::&lt;pre&gt;importScript('User:Gryllida/js/add-source-in-visual-editor.js');&lt;/pre&gt;
::::[[User:Gryllida/js/add-source-in-visual-editor.js]]
::::Works in 'Source editing' mode if it is the same toolbar as Visual Editor.
::::It adds a star icon. Clicking it prompts for the news URL, and then a few seconds alter it adds the filled source template at cursor position.
::::Note that date may be missing. Authors usually are missing. Publisher name isn't always correct (needs to be such that you can wikilink to wikipedia). So you need to check what it generated. But at least it gets title and date right 90% of the time for me and it makes writing easier.
::::Hope it helps. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 06:11, 4 May 2025 (UTC)

== Minor edit urgent please? ==

Hi Lofi Gurl

I think it is best of someone adds a source and attribution about the '51' number of injuries.

The article was already published, so this needs to be done immediately, so that the approval of the edit can be done within less than 24 hours.

Please see [[Talk:Kamikaze_drone_attacks_bus_near_Dnipropetrovsk,_Ukraine,_allegedly_war_crime|this page]] for more details.

BigKrow refused to do it, now I have the request for your help as my last hope.

Looks like nobody else currently active at the wiki this weekend.

Thanks heaps, [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 22:54, 25 April 2025 (UTC)

:Hey! Let me know what you think of my revision. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 23:56, 25 April 2025 (UTC)
::Thank you for the edit. 
::If you click the image of the bus, in description, it links to a few sources. One of them is a telegram post by someone, possibly military official from Ukraine. I think it could be added as source and in article text the '51' figure could be attributed to that source specifying their name and whatever role is associated with their nick in telegram. If you can do this soon, I can approve it. Thanks. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 05:31, 26 April 2025 (UTC)

== Saying hi ==

@[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]], how are you? [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 01:05, 2 May 2025 (UTC)

:Taking it one day at a time. Thanks for asking. How are you doing friend? [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 17:15, 2 May 2025 (UTC)
::I'm living heh, glad to hear your doing okay. @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 17:17, 2 May 2025 (UTC)

== Yo BigKrow ==

@[[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] Can I ask a favor? Can you go on the Lady Gaga article and fill out the sources, and then submit for a review? I'm heading into the city to attend a concert at the moment. Thanks. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 22:49, 10 May 2025 (UTC)

:@[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]], I got you! [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 00:16, 11 May 2025 (UTC)

== How are you? ==

@[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 22:47, 11 May 2025 (UTC)

:Kinda hungover. Didnt get great sleep last night. Slept in my car because I didnt want to risk a DUI after the concert. Im excited to hopefully feel better tomorrow. How are you? [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 23:16, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
::Well I'm here for you my friend. I'm doing alright. Take it easy! @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 00:40, 12 May 2025 (UTC)
:::Appreciate it! [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 00:50, 12 May 2025 (UTC)

== You ok? ==

@[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 21:15, 14 May 2025 (UTC)

:yeah, i'm fine. thanks [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 00:28, 15 May 2025 (UTC)

== Hi, how do you read me ==

Hi, I included you at your request into the &quot;pingrr&quot; list recently. You'd've received a few dozens of &quot;RR&quot; echo notifications in the last two weeks. Did they arrive? Could you please tell me what is preventing you from responding to them?

Revision requests are an essential part of the collaboration process, and your participation is vitally important. Please provide me with the feedback, it would help me a lot with making this process more efficient and easier for you to use.

Thanks. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 05:24, 18 May 2025 (UTC)

:Sorry, its currently busy season at work. I work in lawn care. I try to make revisions when I can, and I certainly respond more than at least 80% of the people who are pinged. Im sorry my volunteer time is limited at the moment. Several of my articles went stale waiting for review priod to my involuntary wikibreak. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 23:13, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
::No problem. I just wanted to check the setup is working. Ping me if you have a news story in mind but no time to write of it. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 10:26, 19 May 2025 (UTC)

== Top article in April! ==

[[File:Wikinews-barnstar-2025.webp|thumb|left|alt=Award for highest monthly page-views.|Original author for the top article published in April, 2025. The article has at least 1,754 views, the highest for year so far!]] Thank you for starting the article titled &quot;[[Streaming platform Twitch bans rapper Kanye West seven minutes into first stream for performing &quot;Nazi salute&quot;]].&quot; The article has the most number of page-views of all articles published in April of 2025, and the highest so far of 2025! Bam! 💥 

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Thank you for your continued efforts at not only starting new articles but contributing to others as well. Your collaborative efforts are greatly appreciated. —[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 12:54, 20 May 2025 (UTC)

:Awesome! I can't wait to get back to writing. I have some merciless &quot;{{w|adulting}}&quot; to attend to in my personal life at the moment. When I'm back writing, you'll all know it. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 13:52, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
::Totally understand. Take care of what you need to, and we’ll be glad to see you back when the time’s right. Looking forward to it! —[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 15:55, 20 May 2025 (UTC)

== Come back please ==

Wikinews needs you, @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 15:47, 15 June 2025 (UTC)

:Hey. I heard about what's going on. Im going to try to find some free time this week to get some articles written to try to help save the project. Sorry for the radio silence [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 17:20, 29 June 2025 (UTC)
::@[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]], thanks for sticking around! [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 19:28, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

== Your stories are stale ==

Sorry, @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 20:09, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

:Are you sure? The gambling story happened Friday and the Beyonce story happened last night, from what I can tell. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 20:14, 29 June 2025 (UTC)
::You need stories to be '''&quot;fresh&quot;''' even a day old is stale. @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 20:19, 29 June 2025 (UTC)
:::Ideally yeah, but it's not stale until seven days have passed since the focal point of the story. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 21:14, 29 June 2025 (UTC)
::::Ok [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 22:20, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

== Hello from Gryllida ==

Hi @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]]

Would you be interested in joining as a reviewer? If you were, I or another reviewer of your interest would be doing it together with you for the first several months to assist.

Similarly, would you be interested in helping with page deletions and blocking users, and removing vandalism. Is this something you have done before and do you have an interest?

Are there any changes to the workflow that you would consider helpful?

Are you on any IM platform such as Discord, Linphone (SIP), Matrix, where we could exchange messages, screenshots, and sometimes audio calls?

Regards, - [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 21:04, 8 July 2025 (UTC)

:Hey! That sounds like a good offer. Definitely curious to see what I can bring as a reviewer. I have no expirience blocking users or deleting pages. Give me a few days to sleep on it. Thanks! [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 15:02, 9 July 2025 (UTC)
::Hey Lofi Gurl, and are you on any of the IM platforms? Maybe Telegram? [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 17:53, 6 August 2025 (UTC)
:::I plan on creating a discord account for my Wiki stuff. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 18:07, 6 August 2025 (UTC)
::::any luck? [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 15:48, 14 January 2026 (UTC)

== Community response to SPTF's recommendation to close ''Wikinews'' ==

The Wikimedia Foundation’s Sister Projects Task Force (SPTF) has issued a [[m:Public consultation about Wikinews|recommendation to close Wikinews]]. A community response to the Task Force is underway and I believe it's critical that we show clear support from contributors, reviewers, and administrators if we want Wikinews to remain open.

If you believe Wikinews still has potential for revitalization and should remain active, I ask that you:

* Review and help improve the draft community response, and/or
* Add your endorsement once you're comfortable with the language

The goal is to finalize the draft before the [[m:Event:Community_consultation_on_Wikispore/Wikinews,_call_1|July 16 Task Force call]], so our response is ready for consideration.

You can find the draft here:
👉 [[Wikinews:Response to Proposal for Closing Wikinews]] 

Thanks for considering. —[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 14:49, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

== Thank you my friend! ==

Good work on la explosion [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 22:12, 18 July 2025 (UTC) @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]]

:Thanks for bringing the story! [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 22:13, 18 July 2025 (UTC)
::We need to block those ips. @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 22:41, 18 July 2025 (UTC)
:::I reported them, all I can do. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 22:47, 18 July 2025 (UTC)
::::I know.... [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 22:47, 18 July 2025 (UTC)

== Nigerian abductors article ==

If you can find an image to add (even just a file photo or whatever) -- I think we might be able to get that one published. It could use ''maybe'' one more sentence while you're at it too?--[[User:Bddpaux|Bddpaux]] ([[User talk:Bddpaux|talk]]) 14:39, 29 July 2025 (UTC)

:Yeah I'll take a look at it. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 00:44, 30 July 2025 (UTC)

== Top article in July! ==

[[File:Wikinews-barnstar-2025.webp|thumb|left|alt=Award for highest monthly page-views.|Contributing author for the top article published in July, 2025. The article has at least 3,583 views!]] Thank you for contributing to the article titled  &quot;[[20-year-old astrophotographer captures rare solar eclipse on Saturn]].&quot; The article has the most number of page-views of all articles published in July of 2025.

This is your second barn star for top article! Thanks for your continued, hard work!

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== [[Talk:Several people hospitalized after thousands of hotdogs spill following collision on interstate in Pennsylvania]] ==

i published article, please check talk page for feedback thanks [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 17:51, 6 August 2025 (UTC)

== Live chat software trial ==

Live chat software trial (August-September 2025)

Hi, i am running a software to make live chat easier to use. It requires installation of QuasselDroid on Android, Quassel Client on Windows or Mac or Linux, and I don't know what on iOS (let me know if this is your main platform). The software would connect you to the official IRC channel for Wikinews and stay connected including all chat history, including when you closed the app. I am achieving this by hosting it on my Quassel Core on my server. If you are interested in trying this option, please install the Quassel Client software, and after this is done (not before), ensure you have a working email in your [[Special:Preferences]] so i can email you login credentials, and specify your desired IRC nickname. Please note this is open source software with low bandwidth usage and the communication is only via text, so it is not privacy invasive. This platform is older than the web, irc existed since 1980s. Thanks. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 22:03, 7 August 2025 (UTC)

:Hi, please install the Quassel Client, it is free/open source, low bandwidth, low RAM and CPU usage
:and tell me your desired nickname
:I would greatly appreciated if you could use it for a few weeks and then leave me some feedback. This chat platform has 3 reviewers on it, and yourself being sitting in chat all 24/7 via this software could make collaboration much easier as then others could send messages to the group while your device is offline, and you could get notifications on mobile. Thanks [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 20:07, 10 August 2025 (UTC)
::I will install this when I get home from the city today. Thanks [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 20:40, 10 August 2025 (UTC)
:::👍 [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 21:42, 10 August 2025 (UTC)
::::I got them downloaded for both Windows and Android. My name can just be Lofi Gurl on there. Thanks. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 23:03, 10 August 2025 (UTC)

== Train derails article ==

Sad event. Excellent coverage, though.--[[User:Bddpaux|Bddpaux]] ([[User talk:Bddpaux|talk]]) 15:21, 12 August 2025 (UTC)

:Thank you. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 16:15, 12 August 2025 (UTC)

== Re: [[EasyJet pilot dismissed after being allegedly spotted naked and intoxicated in 5-star hotel, reports say]] ==

Hi Lofi Gurl

* please refocus on a recent event with [[WN:IP|inverted pyramid]] and re submit @ [[Talk:EasyJet pilot dismissed after being allegedly spotted naked and intoxicated in 5-star hotel, reports say]]

Regards, [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 22:19, 19 August 2025 (UTC)

== Re: [[Stunt performer set ablaze for cover artwork of Pink Floyd album dies aged 88]] ==

can you please try to find a photo of the person in 12h to add to story thanks [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 22:23, 19 August 2025 (UTC)

:The only one I have of him is from Wikipedia and it's fair use only. I don't know how to obtain permission to use that here. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 22:32, 19 August 2025 (UTC)

== Thank you!!! ==

For your help with the church shooting article! @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 00:25, 28 August 2025 (UTC)

:No prob! [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 01:06, 28 August 2025 (UTC)

== Thank you ==

For the help on shark story! @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 00:27, 7 September 2025 (UTC)

:No, thank you for getting the story! [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 00:33, 7 September 2025 (UTC)

== Top article for August! ==

[[File:Wikinews-barnstar-2025.webp|thumb|left|alt=Award for highest monthly page-views.|Original author for the top article published in August, 2025. The article has at least 2,685 views.]] Thank you for starting the article titled &quot;[[Several people hospitalized after thousands of hotdogs spill following collision on interstate in Pennsylvania]].&quot; As of today, the article has the highest number of page-views of all articles published in August of 2025.

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Hot diggity dog, you nailed it![[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 16:30, 14 September 2025 (UTC)

:Congrats for your article! Attracting that amount of readers to a story about a local hot dog spill is not small feat. [[User:Dsuke1998AEOS|Dsuke1998]][[Special:Contributions/Dsuke1998AEOS|AEOS]] ('''[[User talk:Dsuke1998AEOS|talk]]''') 01:09, 16 September 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks guys! [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 14:58, 16 September 2025 (UTC)

== How are you? ==

hi pal @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 00:51, 23 September 2025 (UTC)

:Im okay. Moving this weekend. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 10:51, 23 September 2025 (UTC)

== Hi friend ==

How you doing? @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 18:13, 6 October 2025 (UTC)

== Reviewing ==
Hi - I'm new here, trying to help out (recruited from elsewiki). I see you've been contributing here a while - is it possible you are ready to become a reviewer? Would that interest you? I'm still learning what's going on here. [[User:Tduk|Tduk]] ([[User talk:Tduk|talk]]) 21:26, 9 October 2025 (UTC)

:I actually have an open request for reviewership open somewhere haha! [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 21:33, 9 October 2025 (UTC)
::I'm trying to get some reform going to save this cite, maybe you have some input. I posted at [[Wikinews talk:Newsworthiness]]... [[User:Tduk|Tduk]] ([[User talk:Tduk|talk]]) 22:40, 9 October 2025 (UTC)
::Reviewer permission granted. Congratulations, Lofi Gurl! Just reviewing one story a week would be more than sufficient, I think doing more than that is a risk of burnout. Up to you. :) Let me know if any questions. Thanks, [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 02:40, 10 October 2025 (UTC)
:::This is awesome news! Yeah, one review per week sounds good to me. Thank you! [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 18:03, 10 October 2025 (UTC)
:::: Congratulations! I'll help out however I can. My availability will be short and sporadic likely for the next week. But the goal is not to just hand you the reviewer role and let you learn it on your own (that happened to me). 
:::: First step is ensuring you now see the &quot;Review&quot; action in the top-right of your browser when you view articles in the review queue. Once you click on &quot;Review&quot; for an article, you should now see an interface that allows you to select options via drop-down menus for the five areas we review. All of those drop-downs must be &quot;pass&quot; for the article to pass. Otherwise the gadget will label the article 'not ready.'
:::: Have a look at the following for other advice and info:
:::: 
::::* [[User:Michael.C.Wright/Review process study/Reviewer lane|Michael.C.Wright/Review process study/Reviewer lane]] (brief overview of full, reviewer workflow)
::::* [[Wikinews:Review checklist|Review checklist]] (process of reviewing)
::::* [[Wikinews:Tips on reviewing articles|Tips on reviewing articles]] (old essay representing the intent of the 'modern review process')
::::* [[Wikinews:Publish checklist|Publish checklist]] (additional steps needed once an article passes review)
:::: [[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 13:21, 11 October 2025 (UTC)
:::::Congratulations @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] on becoming a new reviewer! I also think new reviewers might benefit from [[Wikinews:Gadgets and Tools/easyPeerReview|documentation on how to use the easyPeerReview]] gadget (this is the gadget that shows the &quot;Review&quot; option in the top-right tools menu and opens the review template with dropdown options). If any reviewer is interested, perhaps a short guide for the gadget would be helpful. Although, I am not sure if there's already any documentation available for the easyPeerReview gadget. [[User:Asked42|Asked42]] ([[User talk:Asked42|talk]]) 15:07, 11 October 2025 (UTC)
:::::: After some digging I found [https://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Template:Peer_reviewed#Use_.5BUsing_Easy_Peer_Review.5D this] but it could use expanding. That's something I can do, possibly within the next few weeks if someone else doesn't get to it beforehand.[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 14:22, 13 October 2025 (UTC)
::Hey - I saw your post elsewhere where once again you expressed your frustration at what is going on in this site. I'm sorry if my attempts to get _some_ change going in time to make a difference bothered you, and definitely not happy that no change happened and that people obfuscated the issue on the talk page to the point where nothing was clear. That all speaks to the problems here. There is so much disrespect floating around on this site currently, I do tend to think that there isn't much to be done as it is right now. I fully understand your frustration, and seeing it was part of what motivated me to seek change. This site was in a state of emergency and no one acted to fix it. Anyway maybe I'll bump into you on en.wikipedia proper, I'm sure if you want to you'll find something to contribute; or if not there, who knows where else? [[User:Tduk|Tduk]] ([[User talk:Tduk|talk]]) 15:18, 4 December 2025 (UTC)
:::Thanks for the message. Your efforts did not bother me at all. It wasn't like this when I first joined. Some of my articles would go stale waiting for review, but it was rare. My previous 8-9 articles over the last few months, and not a single one got reviewed. It is what it is. Yeah, you'll probably see me over at the current events articles on ENWP in the future. At least there you can work at your own pace. Why feel pressure to write fresh content if it can't get reviewed on time anyway? [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 16:30, 4 December 2025 (UTC)
::::Exactly - and the fact that no one was doing the reviews certainly puts out the message - whether true or not - that the reviewers care less about this project than the ones submitting the articles. This is made worse by the fact that there may be more reviewers than article contributors at this point. Regardless, we really needed a short term solution here, and no one was interested (actually, some WERE interested, but it got obfuscated away. Some people even claimed you supported the status quo!) So it goes! At least personally I met a few nice wiki folks I would not have found otherwise. [[User:Tduk|Tduk]] ([[User talk:Tduk|talk]]) 16:57, 4 December 2025 (UTC)
:::::It could be argued that I was more in a position to make an impact here since I was nade reviwer, but truthfully I just dont really know what I'm doing. I definitely didnt support the status quo, I just was not interested in loosening the site's guidelines. I just cant help but wonder how this looks to the outside -- all these articles getting neglected and trashed while dozens are calling for the whole thing to be shut down. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 18:16, 4 December 2025 (UTC)
:::::: With EzPR 2025, we can do partial reviews. So you could start a review and when you get to a point where you want help, you can save the partial review and tag another reviewer for a hand (I'd be happy to help). 
:::::: Also, if the review process is daunting enough to keep you from doing the review, I think it would help everyone if you could articulate what is holding you back. It could be that the same thing is impacting other reviewers and it should therefore be changed.
:::::: You have fresh eyes on the review process and may see things differently than those who have done it for some time.[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 22:06, 4 December 2025 (UTC)
:::::::That sounds like it might be worth a try. How do I access EzPR 2025? [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 13:44, 5 December 2025 (UTC)
:::::::: It should show up in the Tools menu, the same place EzPR shows up (for me, they are stacked on top of each other in the right-hand sidebar). If you view an article [[Raccoon found passed out in liquor store after drunken rampage|marked for review]], you should see &quot;Review (EPRv2)&quot; in your Tools. That's it.
:::::::: If you'd like to start with the [[Raccoon found passed out in liquor store after drunken rampage|Racoon story]], I'll step away from it. Initially to me it looks like a relatively solid article and is light-hearted, with little risk of serious ramifications of libel or defamation if we get it wrong (as opposed to an interview with a prominent figure, for example).[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 14:10, 5 December 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::The EzPR 2025 will not show up automatically like the old one. EzPR is enabled by default for all reviewers as a gadget, while EzPR 2025 is not currently a gadget.
:::::::::So @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]], if you want to use it, let me know and I can enable/install it for you. After that, you will find &quot;Review (EPRv2)&quot; in your Tools menu. -- [[User:Asked42|Asked42]] ([[User talk:Asked42|talk]]) 14:21, 5 December 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::: Ahhh, sorry. I thought it was now in testing by all reviewers.[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 14:22, 5 December 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::I can enable it for all reviewers by default, so they don't have to manually install it. But I chose not to do that initially because it seems a bit bold to me. -- [[User:Asked42|Asked42]] ([[User talk:Asked42|talk]]) 14:31, 5 December 2025 (UTC)
::::::::: @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]], I went ahead and published the raccoon story. But feel free to jump into the next story you feel comfortable with.[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 15:24, 5 December 2025 (UTC)

{{outdent|11}}Sometimes bold is good. ツ I think you've been very careful so far and personally trust that you won't blow anything up. But its your call. [[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 14:41, 5 December 2025 (UTC)

== Top article in September! ==

[[File:Wikinews-barnstar-2025.webp|thumb|left|alt=Award for highest monthly page-views.|Contributing author for the top article published in September, 2025. The article has at least 4,083 views!]] Thank you for contributing to the article titled  &quot;[[Shark attack kills Australian surfer off Long Reef Beach, Sydney]].&quot; The article has the most number of page-views of all articles published in September of 2025.

Your name keeps popping up as a contributor or original author in the monthly top article. Thank you for your continued effort! This was also the highest number of page-views yet this year.

{{clear}}&lt;!--keep the template:clear so new sections are bumped up to wrap around image--&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 14:25, 14 October 2025 (UTC)

== welcome back  ==

Hi friend glad to have you back @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 19:01, 19 October 2025 (UTC)

:Thanks. Good to finally have internet again. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 19:10, 19 October 2025 (UTC)

== Hello ==

Saw your story about Sam Rivers. Unfortunately I am away and cannot review until around mid November.

Please check [[Newsroom]] and [[WN:IRC|live chat]] to help with editing other reports as this may help publish yours sooner.

Thanks [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 07:09, 20 October 2025 (UTC)

:Heard. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 17:23, 20 October 2025 (UTC)

== Scoop access ==

As a reviewer, you should have access to Scoop so that you can receive OR material. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] manages the email server and should be able to set up an account for you. If you haven't done so already, you should reach out and request an account. It might be a while before you're comfortable reviewing OR, and that's okay. It is a bit of a different beast. But you should have access to Scoop now so you can see the material and otherwise use it to assist with developing OR and getting it closer to a publishable state.[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 18:22, 21 October 2025 (UTC)

:For scoop account username: it is not the same as your wiki login; unfortunately the email server was not setup for OAuth login. Usually, but not always, it's the legal first name and last name, to make the request more professional in the case you might need to contact one of the OR involved parties to confirm some information; one of the reviewers uses just their first name only for the username and one used their wiki nick. '''Please tell me what username for scoop email you would like.''' Regards, -- [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 18:51, 21 October 2025 (UTC)

== Using EasyPeerReview ==

Hey there, I finally got around to starting a help page for EasyPeerReview at [[Help:EasyPeerReview]]. Verify you have access to EzPR (you see the Review link in Actions when viewing an article marked with {{tl|Review}}) and have a look at the help page. Let me know if the page is actually helpful. 

Let me know if you want to jump into a review together or if you have any questions about the process, where to find things, etc.[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 16:42, 12 November 2025 (UTC)

:Hi. Sorry for disappearing. I recently moved out of my parents' house and I am working three jobs now. I have not had time for wiki projects unfortunately. I can't lose monentum towards getting my shit together in real life. I hope to have a new laptop this winter and hope to be back going strong around that time. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 16:06, 15 November 2025 (UTC)
:: Get yer shit together, why don't ya? ツ
:: No worries. It sounds like you are making the right priorities. 👍[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 16:24, 15 November 2025 (UTC)
:::Thank you for understanding. I just went down from three jobs to two, so I am hoping I can at least start helping out with pre-reviews more regularly. I'm nervous about doing full reviews by myself though. I'm so sorry for falling off the grid. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 01:16, 20 November 2025 (UTC)

== You still with us? ==

Haven't heard from you in awhile. @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 23:33, 18 November 2025 (UTC)

:I'm not really able to contribute in any meaningful way with the amount of free time I currently have. Sorry. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 18:50, 19 November 2025 (UTC)
:Thank you for checking in though homie, the last two months in particular have been pretty challenging for me. But I'm getting through it. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 01:25, 20 November 2025 (UTC)
::Sending good vibes! You got this! @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 02:44, 20 November 2025 (UTC)
::Please consider to try [[User:Asked42/Taglet]] it is a 5 min a day commitment to a triage process of new drafts, that helps other users a lot. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 12:55, 21 November 2025 (UTC)

== Welcome back  ==

Hi friend @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 18:32, 27 November 2025 (UTC)

:Good to see ya [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 18:41, 27 November 2025 (UTC)
:Happy turkey day [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 18:41, 27 November 2025 (UTC)

== My attacks on you as a person ==

It might sound like the same old thing, but I do in fact apologize to you for my negative attacking of you. You can choose to accept or decline my attempted apologize, thank you again. @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 17:33, 4 December 2025 (UTC)

:Its fine, no hard feelings. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 17:42, 4 December 2025 (UTC)
::Same [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 17:47, 4 December 2025 (UTC)

== Never give up my Friend  ==

I will never lose Faith in you. We have had our spats but positivity is good for us. Hope life gets better. Talk soon? @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 23:05, 7 December 2025 (UTC)

:Yeah, you'll see me around. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 00:02, 8 December 2025 (UTC)
:Sorry for the profane edit summaries today [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 00:22, 8 December 2025 (UTC)

== Wasn't expecting ==

Hey thanks so much for helping the drug bust story. I wasn't expecting anyone to help it out. My bad abandoning habits. Anyways thank you! You did a great job by the way! @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 02:02, 9 December 2025 (UTC)

:Thanks dude [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 02:18, 9 December 2025 (UTC)

== Well done ==

Great job @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 00:47, 13 December 2025 (UTC)

:thanks. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 00:50, 13 December 2025 (UTC)

== Starting a review ==

Hi, hope you Are doing well. From [[Wikinews:Requests for permissions/Removal/Lofi Gurl|your comment]], it appears you were struggling to start a review on an article as you mentioned you couldn't find any buttons. For your convenience, I've prepared a Review Launcher. 

Just [[Wikinews:Easy Peer Review (2025 version)#Review launcher widget|visit the page]], enter the article name you want to review, and click the &quot;Start Review&quot; button. That's it. After clicking Start Review, you will be redirected to the article page, wait for 1-2 seconds and the peer-review form should open for you. Use that form to submit your review result. I hope this isn't too complicated. If at any point you feel lost, just let me know. 

I understand that you may not be interested in reviewing at the moment, but if the reason is simply not knowing how to start the review, this approach might be helpful. -- [[User:Asked42|Asked42]] ([[User talk:Asked42|talk]]) 15:31, 21 December 2025 (UTC)

:A detailed documentation on how to use the peer-review form is [[Wikinews:Easy Peer Review (2025 version)|available here]]. If you still need more assistance, I can share some screenshots with you via email showing how to use the form. -- [[User:Asked42|Asked42]] ([[User talk:Asked42|talk]]) 15:33, 21 December 2025 (UTC)
::@[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 16:44, 21 December 2025 (UTC)
::Thank you so much. I will keep this in mind once I get my head clear. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 02:12, 23 December 2025 (UTC)

== Revision requested: [[Barnes and noble stabbing]] (December 26) ==
Rewrite is requested

1) Please add a note about whether the victim died. This is essential to clarify this, even if the article mentions &quot;murder&quot;; specify whether the victim died on the scene or in an ambulance or in a hospital. 

Please fix this issue and re-submit for review. -- [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 00:14, 26 December 2025 (UTC)

:Please also move the page. The headline should contain a verb. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 00:16, 26 December 2025 (UTC)

== Published: [[United States, Florida: A man fatally stabs a Barnes &amp; Noble bookstore shopper, claims 'no cause' to police]] (December 26) ==
hello,

this message is sent to all contributors to the article. some of the comments below may or may not be useful to you, please check them carefully for your future edits or for helping to revise after another user.

i did this

1) renamed to clearer headline

2) copyedited second paragraph to replace 'She' with 'The victim'

i am requesting further edits:

1) specify source for '9:22pm'

2) add a photo of a barnes and noble book store

please do these changes now, and i will sight the edits

thank you -- [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 00:31, 26 December 2025 (UTC)

== Published: [[Keyboardist-guitarist of English rock band The Cure dies aged 65]] (January 3) ==
Event over 7 days old. 

Passing as exception in context of following factors
* nobody was around on holidays anyway (I am being lenient) 
* the article is well written 
* it is obituary about a person's whole life so it is still slightly newsy for a while

Please do not consider this as precedent for future articles.

Thanks -- [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 04:42, 3 January 2026 (UTC)

== Revision requested: [[Pile up involving dozens of cars on Japan highway kills two]] (January 3) ==
comment left by reviewer 

1) event dec26 not new anymore see [[WN:Freshness]] 

action requested

1) please report a newer &quot;more current&quot; event not this old one

thanks -- [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 04:57, 3 January 2026 (UTC)

== Published: [[Residents shelter in place for hours after gas leak outside of Los Angeles]] (January 3) ==
Published. Congratulations, and thank you for starting, or revising, the article.

Notes from reviewer:

1) This is on the edge of being old and no longer 'news', but still acceptable.

2) If AI/LLM was used, please leave a note on the article talk page immediately. This is required.

Thank you. -- [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 05:06, 3 January 2026 (UTC)

== Welcome back ==

Hi [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]]

* Follow these instructions [[Wikinews:Easy_Peer_Review_(2025_version)#Getting_Started|get started]] says &quot;''To use it, go to any article that you want to review (make sure it has the {{tl|review}} template). You will find a &quot;Review (EPRv2)&quot; option in your &quot;Actions&quot; menu (in the Vector 2022 skin) or the &quot;More&quot; menu (in the Vector 2010 skin). After clicking this option, a form will appear at the top of the article.''&quot;. are you seeing this button?
Thanks [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 15:48, 14 January 2026 (UTC)

:no, I am not seeing either of these buttons on articles submitted for review. Im only seeing an option to prevreview. I use the 2010 skin. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 16:03, 14 January 2026 (UTC)
:Nevermind, I FINALLY found it. It was under the &quot;More&quot; tab. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 16:06, 14 January 2026 (UTC)

== Revision requested: [[Boy retrieves Nintendo Switch locked away in gun safe, and shoots his father]] (January 19) ==
{{Notify_review/notready|article=Boy retrieves Nintendo Switch locked away in gun safe, and shoots his father|author=Lofi Gurl|reviewer=Michael.C.Wright}} -- [[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 14:53, 19 January 2026 (UTC)

== Published: [[Boy retrieves Nintendo Switch locked away in gun safe, and shoots his father]] (January 20) ==
{{Notify_review/passed|article=Boy retrieves Nintendo Switch locked away in gun safe, and shoots his father|author=Lofi Gurl|reviewer=Michael.C.Wright}} -- [[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 18:09, 20 January 2026 (UTC)

:Credit truly goes to [[User:Gryllida]] and [[User:BigKrow]]. All I did was &quot;get&quot; this story. Thanks for running with it! I will attempt to review some articles this week. I will be forced to wing it. Perfectist anxiety is the only thing holding me back at this point. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 19:59, 20 January 2026 (UTC)

== Hello ==

Hi @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] you still around? [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 22:01, 16 February 2026 (UTC)

:Hi. Good to see ya. My heart is not in current events at the moment. I plan to resume involvement here when I am convinced I can make more meaningful contributions. It doesn't look like there has been much activity here. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 22:32, 16 February 2026 (UTC)
::Hi @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] I agree with you that activity has been a bit hit and miss. Could you please let me know what is the criteria for this? What would convince you that the activity level is adequate? Knowing this could help to reach and maintain activity sooner. 😊 Thank you. Regards, -- [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 22:43, 18 February 2026 (UTC)
:::I just think at this point many editors are reluctant to write new articles due to lack of active reviewers, many articles went stale while waiting for review this year. I overestimated what I was able to accomplish as a reviewer, I just don't have the time or focus right now and I'd review articles if I wasn't so concerned about publicly making a mistake. But I think Wikinews needs to be publishing at least one article per day to remain a viable destination for readers and to encourage more participation. I would have done way more these past four months if I didn't have so much crap going on in my personal life related to living situations, employment, transportation and mental health. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 15:20, 19 February 2026 (UTC)
::::got it thanks it sounds reasonable. one article per day is a goal i saw mentioned more than once.  😊 Thank you. Regards [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 00:03, 20 February 2026 (UTC)

== streak proposal ==

Hi, I am proposing to setup [[:w:streak]] goals over a 12 week period: for example, 

* &quot;write one story each two weeks, and [[:wikt:babysit|babysit]] it until it is published&quot;

This could be either authoring a completely new article or this could be taking over someone else's article and doing focused editing on it with active collaboration with others until it is published. It is like a [[:wikt:day shift|day shift]] as you are expected to remain available '[[:wikt:on call|on call]]' to address concerns from another user or reviewer.

The aim of this is to build a habit of participation with [[:wikt:outburst|outburst]]s of eyeballing the page to collaborate with others -- but not every day, to have breaks and reduce [[:wikt:burnout|burnout]]. Could you please check out at '''[[Wikinews:Water_cooler/proposals#Streak_themed_competition_proposal|this section]]''' and let me know what you think? [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 03:15, 22 February 2026 (UTC)

== Here&amp;comma; hold this ==

&lt;div style=&quot;display:flex;align-items:center;justify-content:center;text-align:center;flex-wrap:wrap;margin:2em 0&quot;&gt;[[File:Rainbow trout transparent.png|175px|link=wikipediawikipedia:Trout|alt=a rainbow trout fish]]&lt;div style=&quot;width:280px&quot;&gt;&lt;p style=&quot;font-size: 225%; color: Red;&quot;&gt;'''''Whack!'''''&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style=&quot;font-size: 115%;&quot;&gt;''You've been [[:wikipediawikipedia:Whacking with a wet trout|whacked with a wet trout]].''&lt;/p&gt;&lt;small&gt;{{{1|Don't take this too seriously. Someone just wants to let you know that you did something silly.}}}&lt;/small&gt;&lt;!--Template:Trout--&gt;
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An award for all your edits made while under the in&amp;fllig;uence&amp;period;
[[User:Anohthterwikipedian|Anohthterwikipedian]] ([[User talk:Anohthterwikipedian|talk]]) 00:47, 5 March 2026 (UTC)

:Thank you very much. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 00:49, 5 March 2026 (UTC)
::dont feed into them @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 02:09, 5 March 2026 (UTC)

== srry ==

brah i saw your user page srry. @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 17:53, 11 March 2026 (UTC)

:I went to the BMV in person and they gave me the steps to get it reinstated so it's all good hopefully. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 18:11, 11 March 2026 (UTC)

== queue ==

Just noting there are around 5 stories in queue which were created or substantially expanded by me and I would appreciate if you could have a look! I have none I can publish thus far as I was involved in editing. Thank you! [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 23:06, 11 March 2026 (UTC)

:alright, I'll take a look! [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 23:08, 11 March 2026 (UTC)
::well done! @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 01:16, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Thanks! [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 01:22, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

== Reviewing and publishing ==

Thank you for stepping into the review queue. Reviewing can be thought of as a two-part process:

1. [[Wikinews:Review checklist|Review]]&lt;br&gt;
2. [[Wikinews:Publish checklist|Publish]]

The publishing process involves updating our Main page with the new article. The easiest way to do this is to use [[User:Asked42/LeadManager]], which you'll need to install using the instructions [[User:Asked42/LeadManager#Installation|provided on the tool's page]]. As long as all of the reviewers publish articles immediately after reviewing them, the 5 leads will stay up-to-date. 

Let me know if you need help with anything, or if any part of the checklists is unclear. Much of the review and publishing process becomes second nature to experienced reviewers, and it is easy to forget how overwhelming it can feel in the beginning.[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 13:15, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

:thank you! [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 13:46, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

== The sources section can be the third rail for reviewers ==

Reviewers aren't supposed to add or remove sources as part of the review process. Any source listed is assumed to have been used to directly support statements of fact in the article (because that is what is required of authors). 

When reviewers come across paywalled sources in the sources list, they need to stop the review process and ask the contributors to remove it and any statements supported solely by it. This delays publishing, but helps to ensure accuracy, which is more important than rapid publishing.[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 13:46, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
: And to be clear, this isn't meant to be a criticism, but hopefully helpful 'on-boarding.'[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 17:53, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
::Heard, thanks a bunch [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 20:35, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
:FWIW, while I agree that what described above is one option (and is better than removing the problematic source and leaving content unchanged), it is my position that, if a reviewer had time to remove ''both'' the problematic source and the information that came from it, while remaining confident that all remaining information is verifiable, then, that reviewer is allowed to complete the review and publish the page. I believe that the process I have described reduces delay waiting for author to revise, and does not compromise quality of the review process. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 10:25, 13 March 2026 (UTC)

== Revision requested: [[Woman charged with attempted homicide after allegedly firing shots at Barbadian pop singer Rihanna's house]] (March 13) ==
Hi all...

I would lile to request a major rewrite:

1) LA Times is paywalled. Please replace, and ensure new content is fully verifiable; then re-submit for review.

Please let me know if this is in error, or any questions or request assistance.

Thanks!

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:I dont understand why these sites let me read it and then paywall the article later. Probably so some free news source can't use it as a source for their own article. :P [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 23:28, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
::Maybe they let you read the first 2-3 pages and then after a few pages, start to demand subscription. :-( [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 01:15, 13 March 2026 (UTC)
:::lets take a deep breath and continue on. Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 01:17, 13 March 2026 (UTC)
::::It should be an easy fix. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 01:50, 13 March 2026 (UTC)

== Front page headlines ==

Hi, do you know why [[Australian Minister for Energy lowers fuel standards for 60 days amid rising oil prices, panic buying]] did not show up as one of the front page lead articles after it was published? This has been a recurring problem as discussed at [[Wikinews:Water cooler/technical#Improper 'circle']] and [[Wikinews:Water cooler/technical#The lead articles need to be changed]]. -- [[User:Metropolitan90|Metropolitan90]] ([[User talk:Metropolitan90|talk]]) 15:33, 13 March 2026 (UTC)

:I have no idea honestly. Sometimes when I publish an article, there's a button asking me I want to post it to the front page, sometimes there isn't. I don't think hitting the button has really done anything though, at least for me. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 15:37, 13 March 2026 (UTC)
:: You can still use Lead Manager independently of EZPR 2025. If, for some reason you aren't prompted to update the leads after a successful review or you leave the page without clicking the button, you can still do so by going to [[User:Asked42/LeadManager]]. It will allow you to update the leads individually, serially, or in a custom fashion. 
:: By default, LM pulls in the last five articles into the &quot;title&quot; drop-down field. If you just click in the title field, you will be presented with a clickable list of the last five published articles. You can simply select the target article, &quot;fetch automatically&quot; the first two sentences, tweak the imported text and image if you'd like, then &quot;Start update&quot; will make the changes. 
:: To get used to the tools and processes, you can likely skip the 'additional options' area and just publish a single article after a successful review.[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 16:28, 13 March 2026 (UTC)
::@[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]], Let me know if you want me to install the LeadManager script for you, so that you can just start using it. -- [[User:Asked42|Asked42]] ([[User talk:Asked42|talk]]) 16:38, 13 March 2026 (UTC)
: I have updated the leads to include the article.[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 18:48, 13 March 2026 (UTC)

== Published: [[South Korean military halts small firearms drills after stray bullet strikes young girl on playground]] (March 22) ==
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Your article '''[[South Korean military halts small firearms drills after stray bullet strikes young girl on playground]]''' has been reviewed by '''{{User|Gryllida}}''', and it has been accepted and published. '''Congratulations! 🎉'''

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Excellent work, please keep it up! We hope you will continue contributing to Wikinews. If you have some time, consider taking a look at other articles currently [[:Category:Developing|under development]] or [[:Category:Review|awaiting review]]. Your help in improving or reviewing them would be greatly appreciated.
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:That was a weird bug: I specified an empty custom comment, as my clipboard was borked.
:Here is a copy...
:A few remarks:
:1. Having checked sources, I needed to make some changes, such as &quot;near the neck&quot; and not &quot;in the neck&quot;, and the bombing incident was last year (not two years ago). Please check the edit history carefully and let me know if any of my changes were incorrect.
:2. I am trying to push towards more exclusive content or more closer follow ups here. Could you please either think of the questions to ask the South Korean Army, or, write a follow up report when the investigations completed and drills resumed?
:3. Barely newsworthy as this is nearly 5 days old but I think this is fine to publish.
:4. For npov balance, recommend including responses from other sources, i.e., from someone who is not a part of the South Korean Army. This may be done up to 24 hours after the story is published.
:Overall, this looks great, I appreciate the report!!! [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 12:37, 22 March 2026 (UTC)

== Revision requested: [[7-ton meteor traverses sky over Ohio and several other US states]] (March 27) ==
Sorry, this report went stale.

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== Revision requested: [[AC/DC guitarist Stevie Young admitted to hospital in Buenos Aires, spokesperson says]] (March 27) ==
Sorry, this report went stale.

Did he survive?

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== Might write some today possibly later ==

thanks @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 16:07, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

:I'll try to do a few reviews before I go out tonight. I'm going to focus on reviews since it's a fair assumption now that nobody will even look at the articles I submit. It's the only way I can try to fix this project's problems at this point. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 16:13, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

== Regarding your move of my article ==

Hello, Lofi Gurl! I think my article is best located at [[Supreme Court of Finland convicts Christians of crimes against the humanity of gays and lesbians in landmark ruling]] rather than [[Supreme Court of Finland convicts politicians of crimes against the humanity of gays and lesbians in landmark ruling]], because, of the four defendants convicted in the case, only one is a politician. The other individual is a bishop. The other two defendants are institutions. The only thing that the four defendants, consisting of two individuals and two institutions, have in common is that they are all Christian. [[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 19:09, 28 March 2026 (UTC)

:okay, sorry for the overreaction. I despise religious fundamentalism and bigotry but I just wanted to make sure the title wasn't going after Christians as some sort of ethnic group or something. But then,  Christianity is a {{w|universal religion}}, so I'm not sure the same principles apply anyway. No idea why I'm saying this. I have {{w|religious trauma}} from my Protestant upbringing and I listen to Satanic {{w|death metal}} every day of my life, and idk I guess I just didn't want thst influence creeping into my writing and creating a potential conflict of interest. Thanks for the message. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 19:40, 28 March 2026 (UTC)

::Thank you for letting me know. I actually went to great lengths to balance the article, get perspectives from all sides, sources from all sides, strongly ground the article in the sources, provide perspectives from all sides, and stay neutral and stick to the facts. This is my very first ever Wikinews article. Since you seem to care about both factuality and neutrality, would you mind reviewing the article? I think it is ready for publication. What do you think? --[[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 20:27, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Yes absolutely. I should have some time to review stuff while dogsitting tonight. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 23:24, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Thank you for your review. I appreciate most of your edits, but in [https://en.wikinews.org/w/index.php?title=Supreme_Court_of_Finland_convicts_Christians_of_crimes_against_the_humanity_of_gays_and_lesbians_in_landmark_ruling&amp;diff=5002549&amp;oldid=5002548 this edit] you removed the global scientific consensus regarding homosexuality saying that it is &quot;emotional language&quot;, but it is scientific language that all scientific, medical, psychological, psychiatric, and pediatric associations, institutions, and organisations use to describe homosexuality, especially against false claims such those made in the pamphlet. I used the World Medical Association as a source, but there are thousands of more sources that use that language. The World Medical Association itself is an international federation of over a hundred national medical associations. Attributing that scientific language to the World Medical Association alone would give readers the incorrect impression that only the World Medical Association holds that position, when in fact it is the common position of all scientific, medical, psychological, psychiatric, and pediatric associations, institutions, and organisations in the whole world. Obviously, it would be impractical to cite every single one of thousands of scientific, medical, psychological, psychiatric, and pediatric associations, institutions, and organisations in the world, which is I cited the World Medical Association, which itself is an international federation of over a hundred national medical associations. Is your review complete? Is the article ready for publication? This is my very first ever Wikinews article, so I'm not entirely familiar with process here. Thank you for your help. [[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 17:49, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::We can just say &quot;according to scientific consensus&quot; then. I mostly just thought the passage was really wordy with way too many adjectives. It's close to being ready for publication. I cleaned it up the best I could without making major revisions and all I need to do now is verify all the claims and check for copyright violations. I'll likely do it later tonight. I was severely hungover yesterday and had to go to sleep early, but I'm good now. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 18:31, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::I'll leave it in your capable hands then! I'm looking forward to the publication of my very first Wikinews article! [[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 23:11, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

Hi, Lofi Gurl! I appreciate your edits and your review, but I think that changing the title made it too vague, and the previous title was more specific. You said that [https://en.wikinews.org/w/index.php?title=Supreme_Court_of_Finland_makes_crimes_against_humanity_convictions_in_landmark_ruling&amp;diff=5002876&amp;oldid=5002875 &quot;Don wanted this title changed I think&quot;], but I actually couldn't find a comment from Don saying that he wanted the title changed. Are you done reviewing the article? Can we publish the article now? --[[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 20:28, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

:I'm concerned I may have made too substantial of changes to the article to remain an uninvolved reviewer. They just announced today Wikinews is closing and I am gutted. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 21:04, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::Your edits seem to be only related to getting the article ready for publicaiton, so that should not be a problem, right? Also, oh no! That's awful! Why are they closing Wikinews? I really put in a lot of work into that article, so is it possible to get it published before? [[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 21:10, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::The project is being closed due to low user engagement. The &quot;current events&quot; module on the front page of Wikipedia does a better job at reporting current events than Wikinews. It is much more timely on Wikipedia, and edits can be published faster because i'm pretty sure that project is not subject to the same libel regulations as this project, as wikipedia is not a news publication. By contrast,  Wikinews has a rigorous review process to ensure quality, which sounds good on paper, but ultimately fails when the existing reviewers are either unable or unwilling to perform a review in time to get it published. Most articles that did manage to get published on this site were usually posted 4-5 days after the fact, when the news cycle has effectively moved on. Ive had an extremely difficult time getting anyone to even look at anything I've written these last six months here on the project. This is an experience shared by [[User:Tduk]]. There were a few successful publications during that time. But lets be real. Wikinews is a failed experiment. The Wikimedia Foundation doesn't want to pay for the server costs to host this project. They want to focus on Wikipedia. I thought I could help get things moving in the right direction and help save the project from closure, but the truth is I simply overestimated this project abd overestimated what I was able to realistically do. Adderall is one hell of a drug. Anyway, for what its worth, I did deeply care about this project, I thought the concept was so cool, I guess some things just dont work in practice. That pretty much sums it up, let me know if you have any further questions. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 18:47, 4 April 2026 (UTC)
::::Disappointing to say the least. [[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 20:48, 6 April 2026 (UTC)

== Just a check-in ==

....the India article? Still reviewing that one? Didn't want to mess with it if you are.--[[User:Bddpaux|Bddpaux]] ([[User talk:Bddpaux|talk]]) 19:58, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

== Please don't bite my head off ==

Just a heads up Im starting a Miraheze here about English Wikinews, thanks.

https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:RequestWikiQueue/78142 Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 21:54, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

:I'm not going to bite your head off haha. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 22:09, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::thnx Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 22:12, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::I guess pinging is getting me in trouble with some people so I'll make it quick, https://newswikien.fandom.com/wiki/NewsWikiEN_Wiki Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 22:22, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 22:22, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Someone will need to discuss and decide on new name. I asked whether trademarked word 'Wikinews' can be used, and have not got an answer to that, yet. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 02:32, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

== Negativity ==

You've been a pretty solid contributor and I hope that you don't let the negativity and hypocrisy surrounding this site get to you too much. At least, I've noted how you've been trying to move things more than many others here. [[User:Tduk|Tduk]] ([[User talk:Tduk|talk]]) 02:14, 2 April 2026 (UTC)

:It's fine. Don't worry. I kind of knew this project was a dead end job and wasn't really worth the effort I was putting in trying to save it. I just kept getting sucked back in every time I tried to quit, so in a way I'm kind of glad the project is closing. It was probably going to devolve to a thing where I assumed most of the workload while the more experienced editors scaled back their involvement with the project, per tradition. Oh well. When one door closes, another one opens. I try to remember [https://en.wikinews.org/wiki/User_talk:Lofi_Gurl#En.wn this conversation] when I feel shitty regarding my contributions to this project. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 02:20, 2 April 2026 (UTC)
::I've still got one fresh and one fresh-ish (thanks to you know who) article pending review if you get inspired to try to do something. The most recent one has some pretty unique original reporting in my opinion. [[User:Tduk|Tduk]] ([[User talk:Tduk|talk]]) 16:20, 4 April 2026 (UTC)
:::I have nothing left to give this project, unfortunately. Those messages that admin left us, then bailing on the project completely... Lets just say that if I had a single shit left to give, it is definitely gone now. I might still take a look at the article but I cant promise anything. I'm completely demoralized. Do you contribute at English Wikipedia and/or Wikiquote? Thats where you will usually find me moving forward. Let me know if I can be of any assistance on those projects. 
:::RIP Wikinews, let the record show I believed in you up until the end. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 18:35, 4 April 2026 (UTC)
::::Yes, I'm a long time contributor to other wiki projects, in fact I'm seen you editing some metal pages that are on my watchlist! I was asked to come on here last year to see if I could do anything to make it start to function, but you saw how that went. Anyway it's up to you if you want to review those articles, I'm not expecting anything. I think there are other things going on here. [[User:Tduk|Tduk]] ([[User talk:Tduk|talk]]) 00:17, 5 April 2026 (UTC)
:::::Hell yeah! I have made substantial contributions to various extreme metal-related topics on enwp that I am immensely proud of. If you ever need help in regards to improving those articles, you can always drop a message on my talk page over there. I have also been creating articles for niche subgenres of jazz over there. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 15:11, 5 April 2026 (UTC)
::::::You might get a kick out of reading [[Experimental vocalists perform at Downtown Music Gallery]] before it gets deleted... [[User:Tduk|Tduk]] ([[User talk:Tduk|talk]]) 16:32, 5 April 2026 (UTC)

== Interested? ==

I created a news wiki on Fandom, i have one contributor so far. Please let me know it could use your help! @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 23:15, 4 April 2026 (UTC)

:https://newswikien.fandom.com/wiki/NewsWikiEN_Wiki Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 23:16, 4 April 2026 (UTC)
:Sure, why not. I created an account and tried to create a discussion post, but it says I have to have an account for four days before I can contribute. Here's the story I was trying to share: [https://www.cbsnews.com/texas/news/atlanta-gucci-mane-kidnapped-robbed-dallas-pooh-shiesty-big30/] [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 23:24, 4 April 2026 (UTC)
::OK cool, could you please create a userpage like on Wikinews? Also, I don't know what that glitch could be on the article creation? For now, I will start the article if you're ok with that? Thanks a million! @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 23:39, 4 April 2026 (UTC)
::On my end it says you have not registered (joined). Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 23:42, 4 April 2026 (UTC)
:::Unlike Wikinews Fandom needs you to have a email address. @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 00:05, 5 April 2026 (UTC)
::https://newswikien.fandom.com/wiki/Gucci_Mane_kidnapped,_robbed_at_gunpoint_in_Dallas
::@[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 00:20, 5 April 2026 (UTC)
:::I confirmed my email address so I don't know why it won't let me. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 01:34, 5 April 2026 (UTC)
::::https://www.fandom.com/ try again @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 23:39, 5 April 2026 (UTC)

== Published: [[Supreme Court of Finland makes crimes against humanity convictions in landmark ruling]] (April 6) ==
Hi, all, I am sending this message to all contributors to the article.

News is over a week old but I am publishing. The headline could be better but there is so much controversy about how to put it properly that I am content with the current revision.

Overall as a piece of feedback, it is necessary to be more factual and as much as possible insert facts rather than qualitative characterizations. I believe this has substantially improved in the last few days as the article has been revised. Thank you.

I have read the talk page and I believe the concerns there have been satisfactorily addressed in the recent edits and in the resulting current revision.

Copyright check passed flagging only the quote(s) included in the text.

'''I am recommending to add a sentence about expected consequence (fine, jail time) or if it is unknown then, when is this expected to be determined. If you could please make this change within 24 hours, then it could be sighted and be included in the report.'''

Thanks a lot.

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== [[Court ruling upholds TikTok ban unless ByteDance sells stake]] ==

Hi,

@[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] published the story. Congratulations.

Please review the article history and talk page for feedback from the reviewer.

Regards, -- [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 00:58, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

== [[Suspect in shooting death of UnitedHealthcare CEO fled New York City by bus, police say]] ==

Hi,

I published the story. Congratulations. 🎉

Please review the article history and talk page for feedback.

Regards, [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 01:33, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

:thanks!! [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 01:35, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

== [[Manslaughter charges against Daniel Perry dismissed following jury deadlock]] ==

Published. :-) Please read notes on the talk page. 

Have a great day. 

Regards, [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 10:51, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

== Re: cathedral re-opening ==

Hello,

Published. :-) Please check notes on the article talk page. A copy is included below for your reference:

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There are important, but not critically essential details missing, for example:

* time of day in local time and UTC
* that they planned to do speech outdoors but did it indoors because of a storm
* (is it needed to write '2024' in first paragraph as we already have publish date further up the page)

I could not verify one part:

* Sunday 'morning' mass (source 1 says Sunday, source 2 does not say, or something) -- replaced 'Sunday morning' with 'Sunday'

The above items can be addressed within 24 hours after publication.

The image credit was missing and I added it as a minor edit as a part of the review process. It is required due to the licence requirements.

I recommend the author to also become involved in editing others' submissions -- those of them that are newsworthy, at least -- in the [[Newsroom]], if desired. This may help improve their quality and their chances of publication, and provide experience with proofreading and fact checking in addition to writing and authoring efforts.

Thank you and keep up the great work.

----

Regards, [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 10:59, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

== Pace ==

Hi Lofi Gurl, there are not many reviewers available, and I think the current queue may take a couple days to be processed. (I am mostly outdoors and away on weekend.) My apologies, and thank you for reading and writing entertaining and specific stories. :-) [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 11:06, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

:No problem, take your time and enjoy your weekend! [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 15:08, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

== Revisit articles in review queue ==

While waiting for articles I've authored to be reviewed, I often revisit them as long as they aren't under review and 'tighten' them up by making sure they conform to the style guide, that facts are correct, I've chosen good images with useful descriptions (and attributed every image), etc. 

I see that there are style issues in some of your articles currently awaiting review. Please see what you can do to help make the review of these articles easier/quicker.

Consider using {{tl|verify}} to point to exactly what source is used for all information so reviewers who verify information can find it easier. This helps tremendously.  

Thanks. —[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[:Category:Michael.C.Wright_(Wikinewsie)|Published]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 15:53, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

:Are you able to specify the style issues present in the article as a reviewer, or is it my job to figure that out as the reporter? [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 19:59, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
:I haven't checked the article talk pages yet so sorry if this ends up being a pointless question [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 20:00, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
::It is the author's responsibility to know our policies and guidelilnes, to include the [[WN:Style|style guide]]. Reviewers can and often do correct style issues before publishing but they are not required to. It takes more of a reviewers time to correct for style along with everything else they must check before publishing. See [[Wikinews:Reviewing articles]] to understand all the work that goes into reviewing an article. —[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[:Category:Michael.C.Wright_(Wikinewsie)|Published]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 14:24, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

== Great job ==

You are doing a great job here thank you. [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 20:25, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

:Thank you, friend!
:[[File:Red Wine Toast GIF Animation.gif]] [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 20:29, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

== I have a question! ==

{{tl|helpme}} Say an articles goes stale, or fails review for whatever reason. Am I allowed to splice old material and sources from &quot;rejected&quot; articles and use them in future articles, so long as the subject of the article stays fresh, and new developments keep coming in? Thanks. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 20:36, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

:Yes, that's fine. They are released under the creative commons licence indicated in the footer, and you can reuse them at any news articles here or any other place where the licence of content is compatible. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 21:54, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

== [[Impeachment of South Korean president Yoon Suk Yeol fails]] ==

Hi Lofi Gurl :-)

Could you please [[WN:Attribution|attribute]] the &quot;''Political unrest and nationwide protests were expected in response to the axing of the impeachment.''&quot; sentence? Who said this? This would help the sentence to not read as a speculation made on behalf of ''Wikinews''. 

Let me know if you have any questions, I am happy to help.

Regards, -- [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 21:53, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

:From the Associated Press article:
:{{quote|The vote’s defeat is likely to fuel nationwide protests and escalate political turmoil, and opposition parties could introduce a new impeachment motion when parliament reconvenes next Wednesday.}} [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 21:56, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

:This is amazing:
:* [[South Korean Constitutional Court upholds impeachment of President Yoon Suk Yeol]]
:Thank you so much for writing about this topic. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 12:15, 10 April 2025 (UTC)
::Pretty cool we have four articles of coverage spanning the scandal from start to finish! [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 10:02, 11 April 2025 (UTC)

== Wizard of oz slippers story ==

Hi Lofi Gurl

* Missing currency, both in first paragraph and in headline?
* Missing specified location where the auction took place.

Hope you can assist. Let me know if any questions. Thank you. :-)

Regards, [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 04:09, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

:I've found the location and left a note about it at the article talk page. I cannot add it and remain available to review. Could you please check and make the edit? Thank you!!! Regards, -- [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 05:13, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
::I went to sleep before seeing all these. I'm so sorry! [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 13:20, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
:::Hi [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] :-)
:::What is your time zone?  
:::Do you receive notifications in right top corner of the page while you are logged in?
:::Please note on talk page of the slippers story there is a new message &quot;''@Michael.C.Wright - You can add it and I can review? Please confirm within the next hour, or @Lofi Gurl please add it within next hour. Failing that, I'll add it myself and will require another reviewer to publish. Thanks.''&quot;
:::Have a great day.
:::Thanks, [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 23:25, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
::::Yeah, and I need to get better at clearing my inbox, apparently. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 23:44, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::I'm eastern standard time I think. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 00:38, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
::::Left you a '''[[Talk:Slippers_worn_by_American_actress_Judy_Garland_in_1939_film_The_Wizard_of_Oz_break_sales_record,_sold_for_US$28_million_at_auction#Why_the_slippers_were_so_expensive|new message]]''' Hope it helps :-) [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 01:25, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::[[Slippers worn by American actress Judy Garland in 1939 film The Wizard of Oz break sales record, sold for US$28 million at auction]] now published, congratulations. :-) [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 02:14, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::thank you :) [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 02:21, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

== Coffee::Who ==

Hi Lofi Gurl, I've left you a new message '''[[Talk:Coffee_prices_surge_to_record_highs_due_to_droughts_in_Brazil,_Vietnam#Who|here]]'''. Regards, [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 22:31, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

:added a new message now again [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 04:10, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

== Chess article ==

Please see the talk page at that article.--[[User:Bddpaux|Bddpaux]] ([[User talk:Bddpaux|talk]]) 17:44, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

== damascus story ==

i made a few edits. in one sentence needs clarification, i marked it in bold. please check? [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 19:03, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

:Hi!! To answer the quesion/comment/footnote you left in the article -- I found a mention of &quot;Saydnaya prison complex&quot; in the BBC source but they don't specify if that was the prison Timmerman escaped from. It was just mentioned that {{w|the White Helmets}} were storming looking for survivors. Hope this helps! [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 21:43, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
:Also, I think he left prison the same day the city fell on Monday, which was mentioned in the second paragraph. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 21:49, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

== minor edit &amp; thanks ==

hi, i have rejected [https://en.wikinews.org/w/index.php?title=Indian_chess_grandmaster_Gukesh_Dommaraju,_18,_becomes_youngest_world_chess_champion_of_all_time&amp;diff=4809824&amp;oldid=prev&amp;unhide=1 this edit] as this wikilink was already included in a previous paragraph. please let me know if i am incorrect!

thanks for the other edits to the story. they have made it so much nicer and are timely. i appreciate it and approved the other edits.

have a great day, [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 07:45, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

:oops didn't see the other link, thanks [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 08:47, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

== Edits after publication  ==

Please note that our [[WN:Archive]] conventions generally prevent edits to articles 24 hours after publication. Articles are meant to be a snapshot in time. 

Edits within the 24 hours after publication should be limited to only correcting any errors not caught in the review process. 

It is better to have an article fully button-down and ready for publication before requesting review. 

You are more than welcome, even encouraged to help improve other articles. But please focus that energy on articles in the developing queue and review queue unless the article is actively ''under'' review. That way we catch more errors before review and definitely before publication. 

Thanks again for joining and contributing! I can't remember the last time I saw ten articles in the review queue. —[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[:Category:Michael.C.Wright_(Wikinewsie)|Published]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 16:46, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

:[[image:Symbol thumbs up green.png]] [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 22:04, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

== Requested article  ==

hey, {{ping|Lofi Gurl}} https://abc3340.com/news/local/alabama-talladega-county-sheriffs-office

I added this story to requested articles but im not up to starting the article myself... If you can do anything for this would be helpful? Thanks! [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 21:59, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

:Hi, I'm happy to start articles you bring to me, I'm just not sure this story meets the site's notability guidelines.. I'd have to double check though. Thank you though [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 22:02, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
::It does and is '''developing''', not much data so far I suppose.... [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 22:03, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
::We also need a second source. [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 22:04, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
:::we'll play it by ear. This South Korea story is taking way longer than I thought [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 22:20, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
::::Let's please focus on it being published! My request can always wait, thanks. {{ping|Lofi Gurl}} [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 22:22, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

== please vote ==

Hi Lofi Gurl :-)

'''[[Wikinews:Requests_for_permissions|This page]]''' has a handful of requests open. Could you please cast a vote and/or add a comment, ideally for each of them, at your earliest convenience?

Regards, [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 03:19, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

== hi here is a news tip about malware ==

https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/ultralytics-ai-model-hijacked-to-infect-thousands-with-cryptominer/ -- [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 05:04, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

== [[Hundreds of North Korean troops killed fighting Ukrainian forces in Russia]] ==
Hi. Please see my not-ready review comments on the talk page. [[User:Heavy Water|Heavy Water]] ([[User talk:Heavy Water|talk]]) 22:19, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

== Why? ==

Are you making more work for editors? Im not angry just confused.... [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 02:50, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

:I don't know what you're talking about? [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 02:58, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
::You keep abandoning articles mostly you created, why? {{ping|Lofi Gurl}} [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 03:00, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
:What specifically do you mean &quot;making more work for editors&quot;? [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 02:59, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
::more work to clean up after you... [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 03:01, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
:::I'd just delete them if I was able to. Why are you mad? I'm abandoning the articles. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 03:02, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
::::not mad, just confused.... [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 03:03, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
::::You were acting fine before, what happened? {{ping|Lofi Gurl}} [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 03:05, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
:::Stop &quot;RIPing&quot; because it's seen as disruptive behavior, sorry but it seems like it. [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 03:03, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
::::That's fine I'm done writing here anyway. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 03:05, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::Suit yourself..... [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 03:05, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::Then what was your point? Wasting peoples' time? Sad sorry. [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 03:07, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::I'm genuinely confused now. What do you mean &quot;wasting peoples time&quot;? What are you talking about? [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 03:08, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::The project is to work together with one another not to abandon because theres not much activity right now. I won't argue with you anymore.. Sorry... {{ping|Lofi Gurl}} [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 03:14, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::: '''I didn't do anything wrong.''' [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 03:16, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

== En.wn ==
Hi. Thanks for, well, contributing here, I guess. So really, if you want to write fast and write prolifically, maybe Wikipedia is a better fit for you than en.wn in its present state. The project couldn't handle a mass influx of even people highly skilled at writing for it (overwhelms the review process, reporters get demoralized). I'm tempted to say that you overestimated the project and what you could do, but that sounds wrong. I don't know why I'm saying all this. You probably already know it. Of what's left, we are overwhelmingly nice people, for what it's worth, and care deeply about en.wn. Just don't, I guess, overinvest yourself in it. One of our colleagues here likes to say &quot;don't get married to your article&quot;, so perhaps likewise with the concept and future of the project. Then again, a late editor literally saw himself as embarking on a mission to save human civilization from intellectual ruin and mundanity by making something great out of this project. But he was executing a long term plan, that did transform the project. I don't know what this sounds like. I hope it doesn't sound condescending. [[User:Heavy Water|Heavy Water]] ([[User talk:Heavy Water|talk]]) 06:27, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

:Just to let both of you know I wasn't trying to attack {{ping|Lofi Gurl}}. {{Ping|Heavy Water}} [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 13:13, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
:Thanks for taking the time to write this (it didn't come off as condescending). I'll keep it in mind while contributing to the project in the future. Sorry for taking a few days to reply. Been trying to limit internet time. Have a good rest of your weekend! [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 05:31, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

== Lofi Gurl  ==

I was really being a dink to you, apologies. Feel free to continue to write articles here! {{Ping|Lofi Gurl}} [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 16:48, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

:Consider it forgiven. It happens. Onward! [[file:FPClogogif.gif]] [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 21:38, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
::Thank you for creating new news articles you go as fast as you please {{ping|Lofi Gurl}} [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 22:01, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
:::I'm trying to slow down and try to average maybe three per week. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 22:03, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
::::Please write as much as you like and thanks {{ping|Lofi Gurl}} [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 22:05, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

== Welcome back  ==

[[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 18:45, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

:Good to be back. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 18:47, 30 January 2025 (UTC)
::😊 [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 18:47, 30 January 2025 (UTC)
::Welcome back Lofi Gurl [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 03:58, 12 February 2025 (UTC)
:::thanks! [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 08:16, 12 February 2025 (UTC)

== Crash Philadelphia story ==

Hi I copyedited some misspelled words for the article. Hope your well, thanks. {{ping|Lofi Gurl}} [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 00:51, 2 February 2025 (UTC)

:thanks. I'm on my mom's laptop at the moment and she has her shit set up weird, and I can't spellcheck very easily at all right now. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 00:57, 2 February 2025 (UTC)
::It's ok, do your best. {{ping|Lofi Gurl}} [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 01:14, 2 February 2025 (UTC)

== Paywalled ==

Can't you work around it? {{Ping|Lofi Gurl}} [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 21:10, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

:It's gonna be easier to rewrite the entire article at this point, with like 2-3 sources. The project just kept getting bigger and bigger and I shot myself in the foot (or gave my foot the firing squad, if you will). Using this article's content for Wikipedia. Going to focus on my WashingtonDC/suicide/cop article I have started here. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 21:19, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

== Re: revitalising Wikinews ==

Hi, I'm reaching out to you as you indicated support for revitalising Wikinews. Here are a few ways to help out, in no particular order:

# write new articles by [[WN:SG|style guide]] and [[WN:CG|content guide]]
# find news which happened today and share it on [[WN:IRC|live chat]] or [[WN:REQ|a news tip page]]
# read drafts in [[Newsroom]], especially those submitted for review, and edit them to make them more comprehensive or more current
# read drafts in [[Newsroom]], especially those that failed review recently, and address reviewer's comments quickly and re-submit for review
# chat with new authors (of articles in Newsroom) and help them understand the key concepts
# subscribe at [[Wikinews:Water cooler]] (there are 5 subforums, open each and click 'Subscribe' link at top - then keep a close eye on your Echo notifications) to help newcomers and help with editing articles when someone requests assistance
# chat on [[WN:IRC|live chat]] and help newcomers and reviewers with their review process
# help with software development for authoring or reviewing articles, perhaps for the mobile platforms
# chat with other contributors on audio or video chat
# present notes about how Wikinews works at various conferences via audio and video communucations [as we don't have funds for travel at present] this can be linux, programming, journalistical, or wikimedia themed conferences
# figure out how to get someone to do any of the above through a grant, sometimes google summer of code
# find high school and university educators who would like to teach their class journalism by asking them to write articles for Wikinews (was done with [[Category:UoW|University of Wollongong]] in the past, and we have extension installed for marking students)
# collaborate with [[User:Pharos|Pharos]] on getting more news coverage of the New York City and adjacent areas
# proofread, or read, Wikinews articles out loud for Audio Wikinews
# make English Wikinews accounts on various social media like twitter, facebook, blue sky app (sp?), others [in consultation with someone on-wiki first] ensuring you're posting new news articles there with appropriate tags, moderate comments, and setup multiple moderators if possible and document which contributor is in charge of which social network account for Wikinews and how articles are being posted there

Please let me know which of these points you're most comfortable with, and/or would like to learn.

'''''Which points would you like to contribute?''''' Please name up to 3-5 points, if you like. Or suggest your own. :-)

I'm happy to connect with you and guide you in any of the above areas.

Regards, [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 22:54, 16 March 2025 (UTC)

:I like alot of these! 
:#7. I've been meaning to start using IRC for a while. Maybe today's the day.
:#8. Not sure what I can do to help with software development but I have a bunch of friends who know code. 
:#12. I know a few university professors in the history field.
:#14. I've never heard of Audio Wikinews. Sounds self-explanatory. How many articles have audio with them?
:Thanks! [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 00:02, 17 March 2025 (UTC)

== This is terribly overdue! ==

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&lt;br&gt; For completing ''5 edits''.
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|style=&quot;vertical-align: top; border-top: 1px solid gray;&quot; | Great work! Keep it up! --[[User:Bddpaux|Bddpaux]] ([[User talk:Bddpaux|talk]]) 21:12, 17 March 2025 (UTC)
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== Stuff ==

Some of your (recent) contributions have gone stale. Sorry -- keep at it!!--[[User:Bddpaux|Bddpaux]] ([[User talk:Bddpaux|talk]]) 20:27, 18 March 2025 (UTC)

== Darn it! ==

That execution article ROCKED! Is there a snowball's change you could gatwick it? I'll help -- for realz!!--[[User:Bddpaux|Bddpaux]] ([[User talk:Bddpaux|talk]]) 20:39, 18 March 2025 (UTC)

:Thanks for the kind words! I don't think I can gatwick it -- it went stale on Friday, and there have not been any new developments that I'm aware of. I shot myself in the foot by relying too heavily on a source that I later discovered had an apparent paywall (only the first two days were free I guess). On the bright side, I was able to use alot of it for the Wikipedia article, but I wish I could have gotten it published here! It would have been a good one. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 03:49, 19 March 2025 (UTC)

== You ok??? ==

Hope your good???? {{ping|Lofi Gurl}} [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 16:01, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

:I've been borderline kind of freaking out lately. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 22:38, 25 March 2025 (UTC)
::Well, take a few breaths -- back up -- '''re-calibrate the mechanism''' -- and come back soon!--[[User:Bddpaux|Bddpaux]] ([[User talk:Bddpaux|talk]]) 12:31, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

== You've AT LEAST earned this!! ==

[[File:Wikinews WikiNoob.png|210px|left|This [[Wikinews:Contributing Reporter Awards|award]] is presented to new reporters who have started 10 or fewer news articles.]] Keep at it!--[[User:Bddpaux|Bddpaux]] ([[User talk:Bddpaux|talk]]) 12:33, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

:Ahh thank you!! [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 13:08, 1 April 2025 (UTC)
:congrats [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 11:57, 6 April 2025 (UTC)
::thanks! [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 12:58, 6 April 2025 (UTC)

== Articles ==

Your clogging up the queue, please resort to 1 possibly 2 articles at a time. I don't want to see you blocked..... Many of your articles will most likely go stale, or you will abandon them. Sorry for so harsh but its facts... @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 00:19, 14 April 2025 (UTC)

:I've also put a good amount of effort into helping your articles.... Your stressing me out badly.... @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 00:21, 14 April 2025 (UTC)
::Will you please stop needlessly punctuating ''every sentence'' with &quot;...........&quot;? Because it comes off as needlessly shitty to everyone you talk to and that really isn't something I need to be dealing with. No matter the topic it just sets a negative tone right off the bat. Sorry, &quot;but it's facts.&quot; [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 00:28, 14 April 2025 (UTC)
:Coming from a user who constantly abandons articles lol [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 00:22, 14 April 2025 (UTC)
::It's not funny brah, i should report you! But i wont, your harassing me and wikinews!!! °½&lt;½½½&lt;&lt;½½½;½½ @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 00:32, 14 April 2025 (UTC)
::your a sock or troll.... [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 00:33, 14 April 2025 (UTC)
:I found these stubs useful and was pleased. Expanded one yesterday. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 10:17, 14 April 2025 (UTC)

== Interest in notifications for new drafts ==

Hi Lofi Gurl

I'd like to invite you to edit drafts created by other contributors to improve their quality and reduce reviewer load on them, so that more reviewers can review articles written by you. Would you be interested in notifications of the current drafts in the Newsroom, compiled with a note of what the event date and link to article? 

I can make something like [[User:Gryllida/Newsroom]]. If you're interested, would you like to get notified when article '''is created as a new draft''' ([[:Category:Developing]]) or when it is '''submitted for review''' ([[:Category:Review]])? 

Many thanks. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 23:12, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

:Yes, I would love that. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 23:16, 15 April 2025 (UTC)
::Awesome thanks. Which option would you prefer, articles created in Developing or in Review category? [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 23:28, 15 April 2025 (UTC)
:::Definitely developing. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 23:29, 15 April 2025 (UTC)
::::Would you like to get notifications 'instantly' for each new draft, or weekly?
::::Would you be OK if these notifications were delivered to your personal talk page? [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 23:35, 15 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::Instantly would be great. Yeah, my talk page would be fine starting out, but if we could find a way for them to only show up in my notifications inbox, that would be good too. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 23:50, 15 April 2025 (UTC)
::::::great thanks i will try to figure out how to make this work [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 10:55, 16 April 2025 (UTC)
::May I ask about your devices: how many, what OS, have you used an RSS feed reader before? [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 11:08, 16 April 2025 (UTC)
:::I mainly edit on my laptop using Windows 10. No I've never used an RSS feed reader before. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 19:20, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

== idaho police story ==

published after an edit to write in active voice, great writeup thanks heaps [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 10:54, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

== Don't edit my articles ==

Thanks [[Special:Contributions/64.39.81.71|64.39.81.71]] ([[User talk:64.39.81.71|talk]]) 17:11, 17 April 2025 (UTC) @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]]

:Why not? [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 17:34, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
::Sorry got ahead of myself [[Special:Contributions/64.39.81.71|64.39.81.71]] ([[User talk:64.39.81.71|talk]]) 18:32, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
:Anyone can edit anyone's article. This is not bbc nor a blog. Articles belong to Wikinews, not to individual authors. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 19:51, 17 April 2025 (UTC)

== [[Suspect taken into custody and charged after Pennsylvania governor Josh Shapiro is forced to evacuate gubernatorial mansion with family following suspected arson attack]][ ==

is there a court date scheduled for this? [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 10:37, 20 April 2025 (UTC)

:Ill look into it when i ge5 home [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 17:54, 20 April 2025 (UTC)

== Hello ==

I just wanted to say hi. @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 18:57, 20 April 2025 (UTC)

:Hey BigKrow! [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 19:47, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
::I seem to have an imposter, a pain in my side, @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]], @[[User:BigKrow2|BigKrow2]] [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 19:49, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
:::Also @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]], @[[User:Gryllida2|Gryllida2]] [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 19:50, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
::::@[[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]], notified. [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 19:50, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::I really hope this is just some random child that doesn't know the actual severity of what they're doing here. But that is clearly someone who has been kicked from the project multiple times. Just ignore the humanoid. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 19:58, 20 April 2025 (UTC)

== BigKrow2 ==

Please tell me your really not me @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]],

I wouldn't be superised. 

Also @[[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] and @[[User:Gryllida2|Gryllida2]]

@[[User:MeDaWikipedian|MeDaWikipedian]] [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 21:03, 20 April 2025 (UTC)

:You're accusing me of being that guy who impersonated Bddpaux last year? Is that what you're saying? [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 21:06, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
::Honestly I think you are. Trying to sneak back in .... @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 21:08, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
:::Why? What basis do you have for that? [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 21:09, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
:That shit happened before I created my account, but I saw it happen. Is every new user here going to be accused of being that person then? [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 21:08, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
::Prove your innocence then, @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 21:10, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
:::How? You have to open a sockpuppet investigation into me I guess. Why are you making baseless accusations? [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 21:12, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
::::I'm just checking but you might be a sock puppet account you changed the article fucks to some other story suspicious. @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] @[[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 21:13, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::Why is that suspicious? I turned a vandalism article into a stub. You're being silly. Your baseless accusations are disruptive. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 21:20, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
::::::Prove your innocence, @[[User:MeDaWikipedian|MeDaWikipedian]] [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 21:21, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::::@[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 21:22, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::Once again -- ''how?'' [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 21:22, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
::::::I can't check user you right now but, I'm always watching you.... @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 21:24, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::::Why? Why do you think I am this user? Why do you want to checkuser me? [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 21:30, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
::::::::I have my suspicions. @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 21:33, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::So it's just conjecture? I'm not Me Da Wikipedian. Why are you suspecting me of sockpuppetry? [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 21:40, 20 April 2025 (UTC)

== I suffer from bad mental health issues ==

I know my behavior has been negative to you, so by taking responsibility for my words towards you, I just don't want to be blocked from editing Wiki news. And thinking you are a sock is wrong of me. Lofi Gurl you don't have to accept my apology but I do hope you understand where I'm coming from about my mental health. Thank you for listening. @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 16:14, 21 April 2025 (UTC)

:Okay? I am never afforded understanding or forgiveness when my mental health issues cause problems in relationships. I'm just frankly tired of this crap. Youve been making me not want to log in [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 17:18, 21 April 2025 (UTC)
::You can only make your own decisions, I say you keep working get past this and move forward @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 19:29, 21 April 2025 (UTC)
:::Agreed. This was a waste of time. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 20:17, 21 April 2025 (UTC)

== Thank you for not retiring ==

Thank you for sticking around! Your well needed here. Thanks. @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 16:24, 22 April 2025 (UTC)

:🙂🥳👍⚡️ [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 17:22, 22 April 2025 (UTC)

== Sources fill ✍️ ==

Hi, at my personal talk page at Wikipedia there is a user script, which may be copy pasted to [[Special:MyPage/common.js]], that adds a new button in the editor: it prompts for an URL, generates a filled source template for it, and copies it to clipboard. It reliably inserts the source title at least 🤣 In many, but not all, cases it also gets the publisher and date -- though not always in the right &quot;April 22, 2025&quot; format -- properly, too. Then, if in the visual editing mode, I double click the pasted source to fix if needed. Perhaps this could help you save time.  [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 17:45, 22 April 2025 (UTC)

:Yes I was actually going to ask if we could program something like that, because en.wp has it. Thank you! [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 17:59, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
::Is it working for you? [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 00:31, 4 May 2025 (UTC)
:::Do you have a link to the script? I tried to access the script from your Wikipedia talk page from the section titled &quot;Script&quot; but it just lead me to a deleted page. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 00:36, 4 May 2025 (UTC)
::::[[User:Gryllida/common.js]] -&gt; 
::::&lt;pre&gt;importScript('User:Gryllida/js/add-source-in-visual-editor.js');&lt;/pre&gt;
::::[[User:Gryllida/js/add-source-in-visual-editor.js]]
::::Works in 'Source editing' mode if it is the same toolbar as Visual Editor.
::::It adds a star icon. Clicking it prompts for the news URL, and then a few seconds alter it adds the filled source template at cursor position.
::::Note that date may be missing. Authors usually are missing. Publisher name isn't always correct (needs to be such that you can wikilink to wikipedia). So you need to check what it generated. But at least it gets title and date right 90% of the time for me and it makes writing easier.
::::Hope it helps. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 06:11, 4 May 2025 (UTC)

== Minor edit urgent please? ==

Hi Lofi Gurl

I think it is best of someone adds a source and attribution about the '51' number of injuries.

The article was already published, so this needs to be done immediately, so that the approval of the edit can be done within less than 24 hours.

Please see [[Talk:Kamikaze_drone_attacks_bus_near_Dnipropetrovsk,_Ukraine,_allegedly_war_crime|this page]] for more details.

BigKrow refused to do it, now I have the request for your help as my last hope.

Looks like nobody else currently active at the wiki this weekend.

Thanks heaps, [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 22:54, 25 April 2025 (UTC)

:Hey! Let me know what you think of my revision. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 23:56, 25 April 2025 (UTC)
::Thank you for the edit. 
::If you click the image of the bus, in description, it links to a few sources. One of them is a telegram post by someone, possibly military official from Ukraine. I think it could be added as source and in article text the '51' figure could be attributed to that source specifying their name and whatever role is associated with their nick in telegram. If you can do this soon, I can approve it. Thanks. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 05:31, 26 April 2025 (UTC)

== Saying hi ==

@[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]], how are you? [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 01:05, 2 May 2025 (UTC)

:Taking it one day at a time. Thanks for asking. How are you doing friend? [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 17:15, 2 May 2025 (UTC)
::I'm living heh, glad to hear your doing okay. @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 17:17, 2 May 2025 (UTC)

== Yo BigKrow ==

@[[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] Can I ask a favor? Can you go on the Lady Gaga article and fill out the sources, and then submit for a review? I'm heading into the city to attend a concert at the moment. Thanks. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 22:49, 10 May 2025 (UTC)

:@[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]], I got you! [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 00:16, 11 May 2025 (UTC)

== How are you? ==

@[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 22:47, 11 May 2025 (UTC)

:Kinda hungover. Didnt get great sleep last night. Slept in my car because I didnt want to risk a DUI after the concert. Im excited to hopefully feel better tomorrow. How are you? [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 23:16, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
::Well I'm here for you my friend. I'm doing alright. Take it easy! @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 00:40, 12 May 2025 (UTC)
:::Appreciate it! [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 00:50, 12 May 2025 (UTC)

== You ok? ==

@[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 21:15, 14 May 2025 (UTC)

:yeah, i'm fine. thanks [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 00:28, 15 May 2025 (UTC)

== Hi, how do you read me ==

Hi, I included you at your request into the &quot;pingrr&quot; list recently. You'd've received a few dozens of &quot;RR&quot; echo notifications in the last two weeks. Did they arrive? Could you please tell me what is preventing you from responding to them?

Revision requests are an essential part of the collaboration process, and your participation is vitally important. Please provide me with the feedback, it would help me a lot with making this process more efficient and easier for you to use.

Thanks. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 05:24, 18 May 2025 (UTC)

:Sorry, its currently busy season at work. I work in lawn care. I try to make revisions when I can, and I certainly respond more than at least 80% of the people who are pinged. Im sorry my volunteer time is limited at the moment. Several of my articles went stale waiting for review priod to my involuntary wikibreak. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 23:13, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
::No problem. I just wanted to check the setup is working. Ping me if you have a news story in mind but no time to write of it. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 10:26, 19 May 2025 (UTC)

== Top article in April! ==

[[File:Wikinews-barnstar-2025.webp|thumb|left|alt=Award for highest monthly page-views.|Original author for the top article published in April, 2025. The article has at least 1,754 views, the highest for year so far!]] Thank you for starting the article titled &quot;[[Streaming platform Twitch bans rapper Kanye West seven minutes into first stream for performing &quot;Nazi salute&quot;]].&quot; The article has the most number of page-views of all articles published in April of 2025, and the highest so far of 2025! Bam! 💥 

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As the original author, you can also use the following userbox on your user page: 

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Thank you for your continued efforts at not only starting new articles but contributing to others as well. Your collaborative efforts are greatly appreciated. —[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 12:54, 20 May 2025 (UTC)

:Awesome! I can't wait to get back to writing. I have some merciless &quot;{{w|adulting}}&quot; to attend to in my personal life at the moment. When I'm back writing, you'll all know it. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 13:52, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
::Totally understand. Take care of what you need to, and we’ll be glad to see you back when the time’s right. Looking forward to it! —[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 15:55, 20 May 2025 (UTC)

== Come back please ==

Wikinews needs you, @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 15:47, 15 June 2025 (UTC)

:Hey. I heard about what's going on. Im going to try to find some free time this week to get some articles written to try to help save the project. Sorry for the radio silence [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 17:20, 29 June 2025 (UTC)
::@[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]], thanks for sticking around! [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 19:28, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

== Your stories are stale ==

Sorry, @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 20:09, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

:Are you sure? The gambling story happened Friday and the Beyonce story happened last night, from what I can tell. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 20:14, 29 June 2025 (UTC)
::You need stories to be '''&quot;fresh&quot;''' even a day old is stale. @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 20:19, 29 June 2025 (UTC)
:::Ideally yeah, but it's not stale until seven days have passed since the focal point of the story. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 21:14, 29 June 2025 (UTC)
::::Ok [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 22:20, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

== Hello from Gryllida ==

Hi @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]]

Would you be interested in joining as a reviewer? If you were, I or another reviewer of your interest would be doing it together with you for the first several months to assist.

Similarly, would you be interested in helping with page deletions and blocking users, and removing vandalism. Is this something you have done before and do you have an interest?

Are there any changes to the workflow that you would consider helpful?

Are you on any IM platform such as Discord, Linphone (SIP), Matrix, where we could exchange messages, screenshots, and sometimes audio calls?

Regards, - [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 21:04, 8 July 2025 (UTC)

:Hey! That sounds like a good offer. Definitely curious to see what I can bring as a reviewer. I have no expirience blocking users or deleting pages. Give me a few days to sleep on it. Thanks! [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 15:02, 9 July 2025 (UTC)
::Hey Lofi Gurl, and are you on any of the IM platforms? Maybe Telegram? [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 17:53, 6 August 2025 (UTC)
:::I plan on creating a discord account for my Wiki stuff. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 18:07, 6 August 2025 (UTC)
::::any luck? [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 15:48, 14 January 2026 (UTC)

== Community response to SPTF's recommendation to close ''Wikinews'' ==

The Wikimedia Foundation’s Sister Projects Task Force (SPTF) has issued a [[m:Public consultation about Wikinews|recommendation to close Wikinews]]. A community response to the Task Force is underway and I believe it's critical that we show clear support from contributors, reviewers, and administrators if we want Wikinews to remain open.

If you believe Wikinews still has potential for revitalization and should remain active, I ask that you:

* Review and help improve the draft community response, and/or
* Add your endorsement once you're comfortable with the language

The goal is to finalize the draft before the [[m:Event:Community_consultation_on_Wikispore/Wikinews,_call_1|July 16 Task Force call]], so our response is ready for consideration.

You can find the draft here:
👉 [[Wikinews:Response to Proposal for Closing Wikinews]] 

Thanks for considering. —[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 14:49, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

== Thank you my friend! ==

Good work on la explosion [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 22:12, 18 July 2025 (UTC) @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]]

:Thanks for bringing the story! [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 22:13, 18 July 2025 (UTC)
::We need to block those ips. @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 22:41, 18 July 2025 (UTC)
:::I reported them, all I can do. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 22:47, 18 July 2025 (UTC)
::::I know.... [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 22:47, 18 July 2025 (UTC)

== Nigerian abductors article ==

If you can find an image to add (even just a file photo or whatever) -- I think we might be able to get that one published. It could use ''maybe'' one more sentence while you're at it too?--[[User:Bddpaux|Bddpaux]] ([[User talk:Bddpaux|talk]]) 14:39, 29 July 2025 (UTC)

:Yeah I'll take a look at it. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 00:44, 30 July 2025 (UTC)

== Top article in July! ==

[[File:Wikinews-barnstar-2025.webp|thumb|left|alt=Award for highest monthly page-views.|Contributing author for the top article published in July, 2025. The article has at least 3,583 views!]] Thank you for contributing to the article titled  &quot;[[20-year-old astrophotographer captures rare solar eclipse on Saturn]].&quot; The article has the most number of page-views of all articles published in July of 2025.

This is your second barn star for top article! Thanks for your continued, hard work!

{{clear}}&lt;!--keep the template:clear so new sections are bumped up to wrap around image--&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 16:35, 4 August 2025 (UTC)

== [[Talk:Several people hospitalized after thousands of hotdogs spill following collision on interstate in Pennsylvania]] ==

i published article, please check talk page for feedback thanks [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 17:51, 6 August 2025 (UTC)

== Live chat software trial ==

Live chat software trial (August-September 2025)

Hi, i am running a software to make live chat easier to use. It requires installation of QuasselDroid on Android, Quassel Client on Windows or Mac or Linux, and I don't know what on iOS (let me know if this is your main platform). The software would connect you to the official IRC channel for Wikinews and stay connected including all chat history, including when you closed the app. I am achieving this by hosting it on my Quassel Core on my server. If you are interested in trying this option, please install the Quassel Client software, and after this is done (not before), ensure you have a working email in your [[Special:Preferences]] so i can email you login credentials, and specify your desired IRC nickname. Please note this is open source software with low bandwidth usage and the communication is only via text, so it is not privacy invasive. This platform is older than the web, irc existed since 1980s. Thanks. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 22:03, 7 August 2025 (UTC)

:Hi, please install the Quassel Client, it is free/open source, low bandwidth, low RAM and CPU usage
:and tell me your desired nickname
:I would greatly appreciated if you could use it for a few weeks and then leave me some feedback. This chat platform has 3 reviewers on it, and yourself being sitting in chat all 24/7 via this software could make collaboration much easier as then others could send messages to the group while your device is offline, and you could get notifications on mobile. Thanks [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 20:07, 10 August 2025 (UTC)
::I will install this when I get home from the city today. Thanks [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 20:40, 10 August 2025 (UTC)
:::👍 [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 21:42, 10 August 2025 (UTC)
::::I got them downloaded for both Windows and Android. My name can just be Lofi Gurl on there. Thanks. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 23:03, 10 August 2025 (UTC)

== Train derails article ==

Sad event. Excellent coverage, though.--[[User:Bddpaux|Bddpaux]] ([[User talk:Bddpaux|talk]]) 15:21, 12 August 2025 (UTC)

:Thank you. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 16:15, 12 August 2025 (UTC)

== Re: [[EasyJet pilot dismissed after being allegedly spotted naked and intoxicated in 5-star hotel, reports say]] ==

Hi Lofi Gurl

* please refocus on a recent event with [[WN:IP|inverted pyramid]] and re submit @ [[Talk:EasyJet pilot dismissed after being allegedly spotted naked and intoxicated in 5-star hotel, reports say]]

Regards, [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 22:19, 19 August 2025 (UTC)

== Re: [[Stunt performer set ablaze for cover artwork of Pink Floyd album dies aged 88]] ==

can you please try to find a photo of the person in 12h to add to story thanks [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 22:23, 19 August 2025 (UTC)

:The only one I have of him is from Wikipedia and it's fair use only. I don't know how to obtain permission to use that here. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 22:32, 19 August 2025 (UTC)

== Thank you!!! ==

For your help with the church shooting article! @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 00:25, 28 August 2025 (UTC)

:No prob! [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 01:06, 28 August 2025 (UTC)

== Thank you ==

For the help on shark story! @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 00:27, 7 September 2025 (UTC)

:No, thank you for getting the story! [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 00:33, 7 September 2025 (UTC)

== Top article for August! ==

[[File:Wikinews-barnstar-2025.webp|thumb|left|alt=Award for highest monthly page-views.|Original author for the top article published in August, 2025. The article has at least 2,685 views.]] Thank you for starting the article titled &quot;[[Several people hospitalized after thousands of hotdogs spill following collision on interstate in Pennsylvania]].&quot; As of today, the article has the highest number of page-views of all articles published in August of 2025.

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Hot diggity dog, you nailed it![[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 16:30, 14 September 2025 (UTC)

:Congrats for your article! Attracting that amount of readers to a story about a local hot dog spill is not small feat. [[User:Dsuke1998AEOS|Dsuke1998]][[Special:Contributions/Dsuke1998AEOS|AEOS]] ('''[[User talk:Dsuke1998AEOS|talk]]''') 01:09, 16 September 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks guys! [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 14:58, 16 September 2025 (UTC)

== How are you? ==

hi pal @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 00:51, 23 September 2025 (UTC)

:Im okay. Moving this weekend. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 10:51, 23 September 2025 (UTC)

== Hi friend ==

How you doing? @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 18:13, 6 October 2025 (UTC)

== Reviewing ==
Hi - I'm new here, trying to help out (recruited from elsewiki). I see you've been contributing here a while - is it possible you are ready to become a reviewer? Would that interest you? I'm still learning what's going on here. [[User:Tduk|Tduk]] ([[User talk:Tduk|talk]]) 21:26, 9 October 2025 (UTC)

:I actually have an open request for reviewership open somewhere haha! [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 21:33, 9 October 2025 (UTC)
::I'm trying to get some reform going to save this cite, maybe you have some input. I posted at [[Wikinews talk:Newsworthiness]]... [[User:Tduk|Tduk]] ([[User talk:Tduk|talk]]) 22:40, 9 October 2025 (UTC)
::Reviewer permission granted. Congratulations, Lofi Gurl! Just reviewing one story a week would be more than sufficient, I think doing more than that is a risk of burnout. Up to you. :) Let me know if any questions. Thanks, [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 02:40, 10 October 2025 (UTC)
:::This is awesome news! Yeah, one review per week sounds good to me. Thank you! [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 18:03, 10 October 2025 (UTC)
:::: Congratulations! I'll help out however I can. My availability will be short and sporadic likely for the next week. But the goal is not to just hand you the reviewer role and let you learn it on your own (that happened to me). 
:::: First step is ensuring you now see the &quot;Review&quot; action in the top-right of your browser when you view articles in the review queue. Once you click on &quot;Review&quot; for an article, you should now see an interface that allows you to select options via drop-down menus for the five areas we review. All of those drop-downs must be &quot;pass&quot; for the article to pass. Otherwise the gadget will label the article 'not ready.'
:::: Have a look at the following for other advice and info:
:::: 
::::* [[User:Michael.C.Wright/Review process study/Reviewer lane|Michael.C.Wright/Review process study/Reviewer lane]] (brief overview of full, reviewer workflow)
::::* [[Wikinews:Review checklist|Review checklist]] (process of reviewing)
::::* [[Wikinews:Tips on reviewing articles|Tips on reviewing articles]] (old essay representing the intent of the 'modern review process')
::::* [[Wikinews:Publish checklist|Publish checklist]] (additional steps needed once an article passes review)
:::: [[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 13:21, 11 October 2025 (UTC)
:::::Congratulations @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] on becoming a new reviewer! I also think new reviewers might benefit from [[Wikinews:Gadgets and Tools/easyPeerReview|documentation on how to use the easyPeerReview]] gadget (this is the gadget that shows the &quot;Review&quot; option in the top-right tools menu and opens the review template with dropdown options). If any reviewer is interested, perhaps a short guide for the gadget would be helpful. Although, I am not sure if there's already any documentation available for the easyPeerReview gadget. [[User:Asked42|Asked42]] ([[User talk:Asked42|talk]]) 15:07, 11 October 2025 (UTC)
:::::: After some digging I found [https://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Template:Peer_reviewed#Use_.5BUsing_Easy_Peer_Review.5D this] but it could use expanding. That's something I can do, possibly within the next few weeks if someone else doesn't get to it beforehand.[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 14:22, 13 October 2025 (UTC)
::Hey - I saw your post elsewhere where once again you expressed your frustration at what is going on in this site. I'm sorry if my attempts to get _some_ change going in time to make a difference bothered you, and definitely not happy that no change happened and that people obfuscated the issue on the talk page to the point where nothing was clear. That all speaks to the problems here. There is so much disrespect floating around on this site currently, I do tend to think that there isn't much to be done as it is right now. I fully understand your frustration, and seeing it was part of what motivated me to seek change. This site was in a state of emergency and no one acted to fix it. Anyway maybe I'll bump into you on en.wikipedia proper, I'm sure if you want to you'll find something to contribute; or if not there, who knows where else? [[User:Tduk|Tduk]] ([[User talk:Tduk|talk]]) 15:18, 4 December 2025 (UTC)
:::Thanks for the message. Your efforts did not bother me at all. It wasn't like this when I first joined. Some of my articles would go stale waiting for review, but it was rare. My previous 8-9 articles over the last few months, and not a single one got reviewed. It is what it is. Yeah, you'll probably see me over at the current events articles on ENWP in the future. At least there you can work at your own pace. Why feel pressure to write fresh content if it can't get reviewed on time anyway? [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 16:30, 4 December 2025 (UTC)
::::Exactly - and the fact that no one was doing the reviews certainly puts out the message - whether true or not - that the reviewers care less about this project than the ones submitting the articles. This is made worse by the fact that there may be more reviewers than article contributors at this point. Regardless, we really needed a short term solution here, and no one was interested (actually, some WERE interested, but it got obfuscated away. Some people even claimed you supported the status quo!) So it goes! At least personally I met a few nice wiki folks I would not have found otherwise. [[User:Tduk|Tduk]] ([[User talk:Tduk|talk]]) 16:57, 4 December 2025 (UTC)
:::::It could be argued that I was more in a position to make an impact here since I was nade reviwer, but truthfully I just dont really know what I'm doing. I definitely didnt support the status quo, I just was not interested in loosening the site's guidelines. I just cant help but wonder how this looks to the outside -- all these articles getting neglected and trashed while dozens are calling for the whole thing to be shut down. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 18:16, 4 December 2025 (UTC)
:::::: With EzPR 2025, we can do partial reviews. So you could start a review and when you get to a point where you want help, you can save the partial review and tag another reviewer for a hand (I'd be happy to help). 
:::::: Also, if the review process is daunting enough to keep you from doing the review, I think it would help everyone if you could articulate what is holding you back. It could be that the same thing is impacting other reviewers and it should therefore be changed.
:::::: You have fresh eyes on the review process and may see things differently than those who have done it for some time.[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 22:06, 4 December 2025 (UTC)
:::::::That sounds like it might be worth a try. How do I access EzPR 2025? [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 13:44, 5 December 2025 (UTC)
:::::::: It should show up in the Tools menu, the same place EzPR shows up (for me, they are stacked on top of each other in the right-hand sidebar). If you view an article [[Raccoon found passed out in liquor store after drunken rampage|marked for review]], you should see &quot;Review (EPRv2)&quot; in your Tools. That's it.
:::::::: If you'd like to start with the [[Raccoon found passed out in liquor store after drunken rampage|Racoon story]], I'll step away from it. Initially to me it looks like a relatively solid article and is light-hearted, with little risk of serious ramifications of libel or defamation if we get it wrong (as opposed to an interview with a prominent figure, for example).[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 14:10, 5 December 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::The EzPR 2025 will not show up automatically like the old one. EzPR is enabled by default for all reviewers as a gadget, while EzPR 2025 is not currently a gadget.
:::::::::So @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]], if you want to use it, let me know and I can enable/install it for you. After that, you will find &quot;Review (EPRv2)&quot; in your Tools menu. -- [[User:Asked42|Asked42]] ([[User talk:Asked42|talk]]) 14:21, 5 December 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::: Ahhh, sorry. I thought it was now in testing by all reviewers.[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 14:22, 5 December 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::I can enable it for all reviewers by default, so they don't have to manually install it. But I chose not to do that initially because it seems a bit bold to me. -- [[User:Asked42|Asked42]] ([[User talk:Asked42|talk]]) 14:31, 5 December 2025 (UTC)
::::::::: @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]], I went ahead and published the raccoon story. But feel free to jump into the next story you feel comfortable with.[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 15:24, 5 December 2025 (UTC)

{{outdent|11}}Sometimes bold is good. ツ I think you've been very careful so far and personally trust that you won't blow anything up. But its your call. [[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 14:41, 5 December 2025 (UTC)

== Top article in September! ==

[[File:Wikinews-barnstar-2025.webp|thumb|left|alt=Award for highest monthly page-views.|Contributing author for the top article published in September, 2025. The article has at least 4,083 views!]] Thank you for contributing to the article titled  &quot;[[Shark attack kills Australian surfer off Long Reef Beach, Sydney]].&quot; The article has the most number of page-views of all articles published in September of 2025.

Your name keeps popping up as a contributor or original author in the monthly top article. Thank you for your continued effort! This was also the highest number of page-views yet this year.

{{clear}}&lt;!--keep the template:clear so new sections are bumped up to wrap around image--&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 14:25, 14 October 2025 (UTC)

== welcome back  ==

Hi friend glad to have you back @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 19:01, 19 October 2025 (UTC)

:Thanks. Good to finally have internet again. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 19:10, 19 October 2025 (UTC)

== Hello ==

Saw your story about Sam Rivers. Unfortunately I am away and cannot review until around mid November.

Please check [[Newsroom]] and [[WN:IRC|live chat]] to help with editing other reports as this may help publish yours sooner.

Thanks [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 07:09, 20 October 2025 (UTC)

:Heard. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 17:23, 20 October 2025 (UTC)

== Scoop access ==

As a reviewer, you should have access to Scoop so that you can receive OR material. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] manages the email server and should be able to set up an account for you. If you haven't done so already, you should reach out and request an account. It might be a while before you're comfortable reviewing OR, and that's okay. It is a bit of a different beast. But you should have access to Scoop now so you can see the material and otherwise use it to assist with developing OR and getting it closer to a publishable state.[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 18:22, 21 October 2025 (UTC)

:For scoop account username: it is not the same as your wiki login; unfortunately the email server was not setup for OAuth login. Usually, but not always, it's the legal first name and last name, to make the request more professional in the case you might need to contact one of the OR involved parties to confirm some information; one of the reviewers uses just their first name only for the username and one used their wiki nick. '''Please tell me what username for scoop email you would like.''' Regards, -- [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 18:51, 21 October 2025 (UTC)

== Using EasyPeerReview ==

Hey there, I finally got around to starting a help page for EasyPeerReview at [[Help:EasyPeerReview]]. Verify you have access to EzPR (you see the Review link in Actions when viewing an article marked with {{tl|Review}}) and have a look at the help page. Let me know if the page is actually helpful. 

Let me know if you want to jump into a review together or if you have any questions about the process, where to find things, etc.[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 16:42, 12 November 2025 (UTC)

:Hi. Sorry for disappearing. I recently moved out of my parents' house and I am working three jobs now. I have not had time for wiki projects unfortunately. I can't lose monentum towards getting my shit together in real life. I hope to have a new laptop this winter and hope to be back going strong around that time. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 16:06, 15 November 2025 (UTC)
:: Get yer shit together, why don't ya? ツ
:: No worries. It sounds like you are making the right priorities. 👍[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 16:24, 15 November 2025 (UTC)
:::Thank you for understanding. I just went down from three jobs to two, so I am hoping I can at least start helping out with pre-reviews more regularly. I'm nervous about doing full reviews by myself though. I'm so sorry for falling off the grid. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 01:16, 20 November 2025 (UTC)

== You still with us? ==

Haven't heard from you in awhile. @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 23:33, 18 November 2025 (UTC)

:I'm not really able to contribute in any meaningful way with the amount of free time I currently have. Sorry. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 18:50, 19 November 2025 (UTC)
:Thank you for checking in though homie, the last two months in particular have been pretty challenging for me. But I'm getting through it. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 01:25, 20 November 2025 (UTC)
::Sending good vibes! You got this! @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 02:44, 20 November 2025 (UTC)
::Please consider to try [[User:Asked42/Taglet]] it is a 5 min a day commitment to a triage process of new drafts, that helps other users a lot. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 12:55, 21 November 2025 (UTC)

== Welcome back  ==

Hi friend @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 18:32, 27 November 2025 (UTC)

:Good to see ya [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 18:41, 27 November 2025 (UTC)
:Happy turkey day [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 18:41, 27 November 2025 (UTC)

== My attacks on you as a person ==

It might sound like the same old thing, but I do in fact apologize to you for my negative attacking of you. You can choose to accept or decline my attempted apologize, thank you again. @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 17:33, 4 December 2025 (UTC)

:Its fine, no hard feelings. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 17:42, 4 December 2025 (UTC)
::Same [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 17:47, 4 December 2025 (UTC)

== Never give up my Friend  ==

I will never lose Faith in you. We have had our spats but positivity is good for us. Hope life gets better. Talk soon? @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 23:05, 7 December 2025 (UTC)

:Yeah, you'll see me around. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 00:02, 8 December 2025 (UTC)
:Sorry for the profane edit summaries today [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 00:22, 8 December 2025 (UTC)

== Wasn't expecting ==

Hey thanks so much for helping the drug bust story. I wasn't expecting anyone to help it out. My bad abandoning habits. Anyways thank you! You did a great job by the way! @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 02:02, 9 December 2025 (UTC)

:Thanks dude [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 02:18, 9 December 2025 (UTC)

== Well done ==

Great job @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 00:47, 13 December 2025 (UTC)

:thanks. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 00:50, 13 December 2025 (UTC)

== Starting a review ==

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::Thank you so much. I will keep this in mind once I get my head clear. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 02:12, 23 December 2025 (UTC)

== Revision requested: [[Barnes and noble stabbing]] (December 26) ==
Rewrite is requested

1) Please add a note about whether the victim died. This is essential to clarify this, even if the article mentions &quot;murder&quot;; specify whether the victim died on the scene or in an ambulance or in a hospital. 

Please fix this issue and re-submit for review. -- [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 00:14, 26 December 2025 (UTC)

:Please also move the page. The headline should contain a verb. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 00:16, 26 December 2025 (UTC)

== Published: [[United States, Florida: A man fatally stabs a Barnes &amp; Noble bookstore shopper, claims 'no cause' to police]] (December 26) ==
hello,

this message is sent to all contributors to the article. some of the comments below may or may not be useful to you, please check them carefully for your future edits or for helping to revise after another user.

i did this

1) renamed to clearer headline

2) copyedited second paragraph to replace 'She' with 'The victim'

i am requesting further edits:

1) specify source for '9:22pm'

2) add a photo of a barnes and noble book store

please do these changes now, and i will sight the edits

thank you -- [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 00:31, 26 December 2025 (UTC)

== Published: [[Keyboardist-guitarist of English rock band The Cure dies aged 65]] (January 3) ==
Event over 7 days old. 

Passing as exception in context of following factors
* nobody was around on holidays anyway (I am being lenient) 
* the article is well written 
* it is obituary about a person's whole life so it is still slightly newsy for a while

Please do not consider this as precedent for future articles.

Thanks -- [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 04:42, 3 January 2026 (UTC)

== Revision requested: [[Pile up involving dozens of cars on Japan highway kills two]] (January 3) ==
comment left by reviewer 

1) event dec26 not new anymore see [[WN:Freshness]] 

action requested

1) please report a newer &quot;more current&quot; event not this old one

thanks -- [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 04:57, 3 January 2026 (UTC)

== Published: [[Residents shelter in place for hours after gas leak outside of Los Angeles]] (January 3) ==
Published. Congratulations, and thank you for starting, or revising, the article.

Notes from reviewer:

1) This is on the edge of being old and no longer 'news', but still acceptable.

2) If AI/LLM was used, please leave a note on the article talk page immediately. This is required.

Thank you. -- [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 05:06, 3 January 2026 (UTC)

== Welcome back ==

Hi [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]]

* Follow these instructions [[Wikinews:Easy_Peer_Review_(2025_version)#Getting_Started|get started]] says &quot;''To use it, go to any article that you want to review (make sure it has the {{tl|review}} template). You will find a &quot;Review (EPRv2)&quot; option in your &quot;Actions&quot; menu (in the Vector 2022 skin) or the &quot;More&quot; menu (in the Vector 2010 skin). After clicking this option, a form will appear at the top of the article.''&quot;. are you seeing this button?
Thanks [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 15:48, 14 January 2026 (UTC)

:no, I am not seeing either of these buttons on articles submitted for review. Im only seeing an option to prevreview. I use the 2010 skin. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 16:03, 14 January 2026 (UTC)
:Nevermind, I FINALLY found it. It was under the &quot;More&quot; tab. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 16:06, 14 January 2026 (UTC)

== Revision requested: [[Boy retrieves Nintendo Switch locked away in gun safe, and shoots his father]] (January 19) ==
{{Notify_review/notready|article=Boy retrieves Nintendo Switch locked away in gun safe, and shoots his father|author=Lofi Gurl|reviewer=Michael.C.Wright}} -- [[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 14:53, 19 January 2026 (UTC)

== Published: [[Boy retrieves Nintendo Switch locked away in gun safe, and shoots his father]] (January 20) ==
{{Notify_review/passed|article=Boy retrieves Nintendo Switch locked away in gun safe, and shoots his father|author=Lofi Gurl|reviewer=Michael.C.Wright}} -- [[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 18:09, 20 January 2026 (UTC)

:Credit truly goes to [[User:Gryllida]] and [[User:BigKrow]]. All I did was &quot;get&quot; this story. Thanks for running with it! I will attempt to review some articles this week. I will be forced to wing it. Perfectist anxiety is the only thing holding me back at this point. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 19:59, 20 January 2026 (UTC)

== Hello ==

Hi @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] you still around? [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 22:01, 16 February 2026 (UTC)

:Hi. Good to see ya. My heart is not in current events at the moment. I plan to resume involvement here when I am convinced I can make more meaningful contributions. It doesn't look like there has been much activity here. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 22:32, 16 February 2026 (UTC)
::Hi @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] I agree with you that activity has been a bit hit and miss. Could you please let me know what is the criteria for this? What would convince you that the activity level is adequate? Knowing this could help to reach and maintain activity sooner. 😊 Thank you. Regards, -- [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 22:43, 18 February 2026 (UTC)
:::I just think at this point many editors are reluctant to write new articles due to lack of active reviewers, many articles went stale while waiting for review this year. I overestimated what I was able to accomplish as a reviewer, I just don't have the time or focus right now and I'd review articles if I wasn't so concerned about publicly making a mistake. But I think Wikinews needs to be publishing at least one article per day to remain a viable destination for readers and to encourage more participation. I would have done way more these past four months if I didn't have so much crap going on in my personal life related to living situations, employment, transportation and mental health. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 15:20, 19 February 2026 (UTC)
::::got it thanks it sounds reasonable. one article per day is a goal i saw mentioned more than once.  😊 Thank you. Regards [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 00:03, 20 February 2026 (UTC)

== streak proposal ==

Hi, I am proposing to setup [[:w:streak]] goals over a 12 week period: for example, 

* &quot;write one story each two weeks, and [[:wikt:babysit|babysit]] it until it is published&quot;

This could be either authoring a completely new article or this could be taking over someone else's article and doing focused editing on it with active collaboration with others until it is published. It is like a [[:wikt:day shift|day shift]] as you are expected to remain available '[[:wikt:on call|on call]]' to address concerns from another user or reviewer.

The aim of this is to build a habit of participation with [[:wikt:outburst|outburst]]s of eyeballing the page to collaborate with others -- but not every day, to have breaks and reduce [[:wikt:burnout|burnout]]. Could you please check out at '''[[Wikinews:Water_cooler/proposals#Streak_themed_competition_proposal|this section]]''' and let me know what you think? [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 03:15, 22 February 2026 (UTC)

== Here&amp;comma; hold this ==

&lt;div style=&quot;display:flex;align-items:center;justify-content:center;text-align:center;flex-wrap:wrap;margin:2em 0&quot;&gt;[[File:Rainbow trout transparent.png|175px|link=wikipediawikipedia:Trout|alt=a rainbow trout fish]]&lt;div style=&quot;width:280px&quot;&gt;&lt;p style=&quot;font-size: 225%; color: Red;&quot;&gt;'''''Whack!'''''&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style=&quot;font-size: 115%;&quot;&gt;''You've been [[:wikipediawikipedia:Whacking with a wet trout|whacked with a wet trout]].''&lt;/p&gt;&lt;small&gt;{{{1|Don't take this too seriously. Someone just wants to let you know that you did something silly.}}}&lt;/small&gt;&lt;!--Template:Trout--&gt;
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An award for all your edits made while under the in&amp;fllig;uence&amp;period;
[[User:Anohthterwikipedian|Anohthterwikipedian]] ([[User talk:Anohthterwikipedian|talk]]) 00:47, 5 March 2026 (UTC)

:Thank you very much. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 00:49, 5 March 2026 (UTC)
::dont feed into them @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 02:09, 5 March 2026 (UTC)

== srry ==

brah i saw your user page srry. @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 17:53, 11 March 2026 (UTC)

:I went to the BMV in person and they gave me the steps to get it reinstated so it's all good hopefully. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 18:11, 11 March 2026 (UTC)

== queue ==

Just noting there are around 5 stories in queue which were created or substantially expanded by me and I would appreciate if you could have a look! I have none I can publish thus far as I was involved in editing. Thank you! [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 23:06, 11 March 2026 (UTC)

:alright, I'll take a look! [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 23:08, 11 March 2026 (UTC)
::well done! @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 01:16, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Thanks! [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 01:22, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

== Reviewing and publishing ==

Thank you for stepping into the review queue. Reviewing can be thought of as a two-part process:

1. [[Wikinews:Review checklist|Review]]&lt;br&gt;
2. [[Wikinews:Publish checklist|Publish]]

The publishing process involves updating our Main page with the new article. The easiest way to do this is to use [[User:Asked42/LeadManager]], which you'll need to install using the instructions [[User:Asked42/LeadManager#Installation|provided on the tool's page]]. As long as all of the reviewers publish articles immediately after reviewing them, the 5 leads will stay up-to-date. 

Let me know if you need help with anything, or if any part of the checklists is unclear. Much of the review and publishing process becomes second nature to experienced reviewers, and it is easy to forget how overwhelming it can feel in the beginning.[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 13:15, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

:thank you! [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 13:46, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

== The sources section can be the third rail for reviewers ==

Reviewers aren't supposed to add or remove sources as part of the review process. Any source listed is assumed to have been used to directly support statements of fact in the article (because that is what is required of authors). 

When reviewers come across paywalled sources in the sources list, they need to stop the review process and ask the contributors to remove it and any statements supported solely by it. This delays publishing, but helps to ensure accuracy, which is more important than rapid publishing.[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 13:46, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
: And to be clear, this isn't meant to be a criticism, but hopefully helpful 'on-boarding.'[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 17:53, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
::Heard, thanks a bunch [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 20:35, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
:FWIW, while I agree that what described above is one option (and is better than removing the problematic source and leaving content unchanged), it is my position that, if a reviewer had time to remove ''both'' the problematic source and the information that came from it, while remaining confident that all remaining information is verifiable, then, that reviewer is allowed to complete the review and publish the page. I believe that the process I have described reduces delay waiting for author to revise, and does not compromise quality of the review process. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 10:25, 13 March 2026 (UTC)

== Revision requested: [[Woman charged with attempted homicide after allegedly firing shots at Barbadian pop singer Rihanna's house]] (March 13) ==
Hi all...

I would lile to request a major rewrite:

1) LA Times is paywalled. Please replace, and ensure new content is fully verifiable; then re-submit for review.

Please let me know if this is in error, or any questions or request assistance.

Thanks!

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:I dont understand why these sites let me read it and then paywall the article later. Probably so some free news source can't use it as a source for their own article. :P [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 23:28, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
::Maybe they let you read the first 2-3 pages and then after a few pages, start to demand subscription. :-( [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 01:15, 13 March 2026 (UTC)
:::lets take a deep breath and continue on. Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 01:17, 13 March 2026 (UTC)
::::It should be an easy fix. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 01:50, 13 March 2026 (UTC)

== Front page headlines ==

Hi, do you know why [[Australian Minister for Energy lowers fuel standards for 60 days amid rising oil prices, panic buying]] did not show up as one of the front page lead articles after it was published? This has been a recurring problem as discussed at [[Wikinews:Water cooler/technical#Improper 'circle']] and [[Wikinews:Water cooler/technical#The lead articles need to be changed]]. -- [[User:Metropolitan90|Metropolitan90]] ([[User talk:Metropolitan90|talk]]) 15:33, 13 March 2026 (UTC)

:I have no idea honestly. Sometimes when I publish an article, there's a button asking me I want to post it to the front page, sometimes there isn't. I don't think hitting the button has really done anything though, at least for me. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 15:37, 13 March 2026 (UTC)
:: You can still use Lead Manager independently of EZPR 2025. If, for some reason you aren't prompted to update the leads after a successful review or you leave the page without clicking the button, you can still do so by going to [[User:Asked42/LeadManager]]. It will allow you to update the leads individually, serially, or in a custom fashion. 
:: By default, LM pulls in the last five articles into the &quot;title&quot; drop-down field. If you just click in the title field, you will be presented with a clickable list of the last five published articles. You can simply select the target article, &quot;fetch automatically&quot; the first two sentences, tweak the imported text and image if you'd like, then &quot;Start update&quot; will make the changes. 
:: To get used to the tools and processes, you can likely skip the 'additional options' area and just publish a single article after a successful review.[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 16:28, 13 March 2026 (UTC)
::@[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]], Let me know if you want me to install the LeadManager script for you, so that you can just start using it. -- [[User:Asked42|Asked42]] ([[User talk:Asked42|talk]]) 16:38, 13 March 2026 (UTC)
: I have updated the leads to include the article.[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 18:48, 13 March 2026 (UTC)

== Published: [[South Korean military halts small firearms drills after stray bullet strikes young girl on playground]] (March 22) ==
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Hi Lofi Gurl! Thank you for your submission!
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Your article '''[[South Korean military halts small firearms drills after stray bullet strikes young girl on playground]]''' has been reviewed by '''{{User|Gryllida}}''', and it has been accepted and published. '''Congratulations! 🎉'''

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The reviewer's comments and decision are available on the [[Talk:South Korean military halts small firearms drills after stray bullet strikes young girl on playground|article's talk page]].
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Excellent work, please keep it up! We hope you will continue contributing to Wikinews. If you have some time, consider taking a look at other articles currently [[:Category:Developing|under development]] or [[:Category:Review|awaiting review]]. Your help in improving or reviewing them would be greatly appreciated.
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:That was a weird bug: I specified an empty custom comment, as my clipboard was borked.
:Here is a copy...
:A few remarks:
:1. Having checked sources, I needed to make some changes, such as &quot;near the neck&quot; and not &quot;in the neck&quot;, and the bombing incident was last year (not two years ago). Please check the edit history carefully and let me know if any of my changes were incorrect.
:2. I am trying to push towards more exclusive content or more closer follow ups here. Could you please either think of the questions to ask the South Korean Army, or, write a follow up report when the investigations completed and drills resumed?
:3. Barely newsworthy as this is nearly 5 days old but I think this is fine to publish.
:4. For npov balance, recommend including responses from other sources, i.e., from someone who is not a part of the South Korean Army. This may be done up to 24 hours after the story is published.
:Overall, this looks great, I appreciate the report!!! [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 12:37, 22 March 2026 (UTC)

== Revision requested: [[7-ton meteor traverses sky over Ohio and several other US states]] (March 27) ==
Sorry, this report went stale.

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== Revision requested: [[AC/DC guitarist Stevie Young admitted to hospital in Buenos Aires, spokesperson says]] (March 27) ==
Sorry, this report went stale.

Did he survive?

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== Might write some today possibly later ==

thanks @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 16:07, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

:I'll try to do a few reviews before I go out tonight. I'm going to focus on reviews since it's a fair assumption now that nobody will even look at the articles I submit. It's the only way I can try to fix this project's problems at this point. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 16:13, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

== Regarding your move of my article ==

Hello, Lofi Gurl! I think my article is best located at [[Supreme Court of Finland convicts Christians of crimes against the humanity of gays and lesbians in landmark ruling]] rather than [[Supreme Court of Finland convicts politicians of crimes against the humanity of gays and lesbians in landmark ruling]], because, of the four defendants convicted in the case, only one is a politician. The other individual is a bishop. The other two defendants are institutions. The only thing that the four defendants, consisting of two individuals and two institutions, have in common is that they are all Christian. [[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 19:09, 28 March 2026 (UTC)

:okay, sorry for the overreaction. I despise religious fundamentalism and bigotry but I just wanted to make sure the title wasn't going after Christians as some sort of ethnic group or something. But then,  Christianity is a {{w|universal religion}}, so I'm not sure the same principles apply anyway. No idea why I'm saying this. I have {{w|religious trauma}} from my Protestant upbringing and I listen to Satanic {{w|death metal}} every day of my life, and idk I guess I just didn't want thst influence creeping into my writing and creating a potential conflict of interest. Thanks for the message. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 19:40, 28 March 2026 (UTC)

::Thank you for letting me know. I actually went to great lengths to balance the article, get perspectives from all sides, sources from all sides, strongly ground the article in the sources, provide perspectives from all sides, and stay neutral and stick to the facts. This is my very first ever Wikinews article. Since you seem to care about both factuality and neutrality, would you mind reviewing the article? I think it is ready for publication. What do you think? --[[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 20:27, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Yes absolutely. I should have some time to review stuff while dogsitting tonight. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 23:24, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Thank you for your review. I appreciate most of your edits, but in [https://en.wikinews.org/w/index.php?title=Supreme_Court_of_Finland_convicts_Christians_of_crimes_against_the_humanity_of_gays_and_lesbians_in_landmark_ruling&amp;diff=5002549&amp;oldid=5002548 this edit] you removed the global scientific consensus regarding homosexuality saying that it is &quot;emotional language&quot;, but it is scientific language that all scientific, medical, psychological, psychiatric, and pediatric associations, institutions, and organisations use to describe homosexuality, especially against false claims such those made in the pamphlet. I used the World Medical Association as a source, but there are thousands of more sources that use that language. The World Medical Association itself is an international federation of over a hundred national medical associations. Attributing that scientific language to the World Medical Association alone would give readers the incorrect impression that only the World Medical Association holds that position, when in fact it is the common position of all scientific, medical, psychological, psychiatric, and pediatric associations, institutions, and organisations in the whole world. Obviously, it would be impractical to cite every single one of thousands of scientific, medical, psychological, psychiatric, and pediatric associations, institutions, and organisations in the world, which is I cited the World Medical Association, which itself is an international federation of over a hundred national medical associations. Is your review complete? Is the article ready for publication? This is my very first ever Wikinews article, so I'm not entirely familiar with process here. Thank you for your help. [[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 17:49, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::We can just say &quot;according to scientific consensus&quot; then. I mostly just thought the passage was really wordy with way too many adjectives. It's close to being ready for publication. I cleaned it up the best I could without making major revisions and all I need to do now is verify all the claims and check for copyright violations. I'll likely do it later tonight. I was severely hungover yesterday and had to go to sleep early, but I'm good now. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 18:31, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::I'll leave it in your capable hands then! I'm looking forward to the publication of my very first Wikinews article! [[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 23:11, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

Hi, Lofi Gurl! I appreciate your edits and your review, but I think that changing the title made it too vague, and the previous title was more specific. You said that [https://en.wikinews.org/w/index.php?title=Supreme_Court_of_Finland_makes_crimes_against_humanity_convictions_in_landmark_ruling&amp;diff=5002876&amp;oldid=5002875 &quot;Don wanted this title changed I think&quot;], but I actually couldn't find a comment from Don saying that he wanted the title changed. Are you done reviewing the article? Can we publish the article now? --[[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 20:28, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

:I'm concerned I may have made too substantial of changes to the article to remain an uninvolved reviewer. They just announced today Wikinews is closing and I am gutted. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 21:04, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::Your edits seem to be only related to getting the article ready for publication, so that should not be a problem, right? Also, oh no! That's awful! Why are they closing Wikinews? I really put in a lot of work into that article, so is it possible to get it published before? [[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 21:10, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::The project is being closed due to low user engagement. The &quot;current events&quot; module on the front page of Wikipedia does a better job at reporting current events than Wikinews. It is much more timely on Wikipedia, and edits can be published faster because i'm pretty sure that project is not subject to the same libel regulations as this project, as wikipedia is not a news publication. By contrast,  Wikinews has a rigorous review process to ensure quality, which sounds good on paper, but ultimately fails when the existing reviewers are either unable or unwilling to perform a review in time to get it published. Most articles that did manage to get published on this site were usually posted 4-5 days after the fact, when the news cycle has effectively moved on. Ive had an extremely difficult time getting anyone to even look at anything I've written these last six months here on the project. This is an experience shared by [[User:Tduk]]. There were a few successful publications during that time. But lets be real. Wikinews is a failed experiment. The Wikimedia Foundation doesn't want to pay for the server costs to host this project. They want to focus on Wikipedia. I thought I could help get things moving in the right direction and help save the project from closure, but the truth is I simply overestimated this project abd overestimated what I was able to realistically do. Adderall is one hell of a drug. Anyway, for what its worth, I did deeply care about this project, I thought the concept was so cool, I guess some things just dont work in practice. That pretty much sums it up, let me know if you have any further questions. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 18:47, 4 April 2026 (UTC)
::::Disappointing to say the least. [[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 20:48, 6 April 2026 (UTC)

== Just a check-in ==

....the India article? Still reviewing that one? Didn't want to mess with it if you are.--[[User:Bddpaux|Bddpaux]] ([[User talk:Bddpaux|talk]]) 19:58, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

== Please don't bite my head off ==

Just a heads up Im starting a Miraheze here about English Wikinews, thanks.

https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:RequestWikiQueue/78142 Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 21:54, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

:I'm not going to bite your head off haha. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 22:09, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::thnx Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 22:12, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::I guess pinging is getting me in trouble with some people so I'll make it quick, https://newswikien.fandom.com/wiki/NewsWikiEN_Wiki Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 22:22, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 22:22, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Someone will need to discuss and decide on new name. I asked whether trademarked word 'Wikinews' can be used, and have not got an answer to that, yet. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 02:32, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

== Negativity ==

You've been a pretty solid contributor and I hope that you don't let the negativity and hypocrisy surrounding this site get to you too much. At least, I've noted how you've been trying to move things more than many others here. [[User:Tduk|Tduk]] ([[User talk:Tduk|talk]]) 02:14, 2 April 2026 (UTC)

:It's fine. Don't worry. I kind of knew this project was a dead end job and wasn't really worth the effort I was putting in trying to save it. I just kept getting sucked back in every time I tried to quit, so in a way I'm kind of glad the project is closing. It was probably going to devolve to a thing where I assumed most of the workload while the more experienced editors scaled back their involvement with the project, per tradition. Oh well. When one door closes, another one opens. I try to remember [https://en.wikinews.org/wiki/User_talk:Lofi_Gurl#En.wn this conversation] when I feel shitty regarding my contributions to this project. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 02:20, 2 April 2026 (UTC)
::I've still got one fresh and one fresh-ish (thanks to you know who) article pending review if you get inspired to try to do something. The most recent one has some pretty unique original reporting in my opinion. [[User:Tduk|Tduk]] ([[User talk:Tduk|talk]]) 16:20, 4 April 2026 (UTC)
:::I have nothing left to give this project, unfortunately. Those messages that admin left us, then bailing on the project completely... Lets just say that if I had a single shit left to give, it is definitely gone now. I might still take a look at the article but I cant promise anything. I'm completely demoralized. Do you contribute at English Wikipedia and/or Wikiquote? Thats where you will usually find me moving forward. Let me know if I can be of any assistance on those projects. 
:::RIP Wikinews, let the record show I believed in you up until the end. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 18:35, 4 April 2026 (UTC)
::::Yes, I'm a long time contributor to other wiki projects, in fact I'm seen you editing some metal pages that are on my watchlist! I was asked to come on here last year to see if I could do anything to make it start to function, but you saw how that went. Anyway it's up to you if you want to review those articles, I'm not expecting anything. I think there are other things going on here. [[User:Tduk|Tduk]] ([[User talk:Tduk|talk]]) 00:17, 5 April 2026 (UTC)
:::::Hell yeah! I have made substantial contributions to various extreme metal-related topics on enwp that I am immensely proud of. If you ever need help in regards to improving those articles, you can always drop a message on my talk page over there. I have also been creating articles for niche subgenres of jazz over there. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 15:11, 5 April 2026 (UTC)
::::::You might get a kick out of reading [[Experimental vocalists perform at Downtown Music Gallery]] before it gets deleted... [[User:Tduk|Tduk]] ([[User talk:Tduk|talk]]) 16:32, 5 April 2026 (UTC)

== Interested? ==

I created a news wiki on Fandom, i have one contributor so far. Please let me know it could use your help! @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 23:15, 4 April 2026 (UTC)

:https://newswikien.fandom.com/wiki/NewsWikiEN_Wiki Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 23:16, 4 April 2026 (UTC)
:Sure, why not. I created an account and tried to create a discussion post, but it says I have to have an account for four days before I can contribute. Here's the story I was trying to share: [https://www.cbsnews.com/texas/news/atlanta-gucci-mane-kidnapped-robbed-dallas-pooh-shiesty-big30/] [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 23:24, 4 April 2026 (UTC)
::OK cool, could you please create a userpage like on Wikinews? Also, I don't know what that glitch could be on the article creation? For now, I will start the article if you're ok with that? Thanks a million! @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 23:39, 4 April 2026 (UTC)
::On my end it says you have not registered (joined). Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 23:42, 4 April 2026 (UTC)
:::Unlike Wikinews Fandom needs you to have a email address. @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 00:05, 5 April 2026 (UTC)
::https://newswikien.fandom.com/wiki/Gucci_Mane_kidnapped,_robbed_at_gunpoint_in_Dallas
::@[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 00:20, 5 April 2026 (UTC)
:::I confirmed my email address so I don't know why it won't let me. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 01:34, 5 April 2026 (UTC)
::::https://www.fandom.com/ try again @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 23:39, 5 April 2026 (UTC)

== Published: [[Supreme Court of Finland makes crimes against humanity convictions in landmark ruling]] (April 6) ==
Hi, all, I am sending this message to all contributors to the article.

News is over a week old but I am publishing. The headline could be better but there is so much controversy about how to put it properly that I am content with the current revision.

Overall as a piece of feedback, it is necessary to be more factual and as much as possible insert facts rather than qualitative characterizations. I believe this has substantially improved in the last few days as the article has been revised. Thank you.

I have read the talk page and I believe the concerns there have been satisfactorily addressed in the recent edits and in the resulting current revision.

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'''I am recommending to add a sentence about expected consequence (fine, jail time) or if it is unknown then, when is this expected to be determined. If you could please make this change within 24 hours, then it could be sighted and be included in the report.'''

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[[File:El Presidente de Chile Gabriel Boric y su comitiva de visita en el Polo Sur (3).jpg|thumb|left|350px|Gabriel Boric during his historic visit to the South Pole.]]

Chilean president {{w|Gabriel Boric}} has made a historic trip to the South Pole to reaffirm his country’s &quot;sovereignty claim&quot; over its part of Antarctica, according to his office. Boric's visit has been hailed as a major achievement, making him the first sitting head of state in history to reach the South Pole. While other head of government such as Clark and Stoltenberg have visited the region.

Boric’s expedition was part of &quot;Operation Polar Star III,&quot; which reaffirmed Chile's commitment to Antarctica’s preservation and scientific research. Accompanied by his defense and environment ministers, as well as three military commanders, the Chilean leader arrived at the Amundsen-Scott South Pole Station, a U.S. research base, at 8pm GMT, his office reported.

Boric is the first Latin American leader to reach the planet’s southernmost point, as stated by his office. &quot;This is a milestone for us,&quot; Boric said, in footage broadcast by Chilean television. &quot;It is the first time a Chilean president has come to the South Pole and talked about Chile’s Antarctic mission.&quot;

Boric planned to spend approximately two hours at the U.S. outpost, situated in one of the planet’s most remote and harshest regions.

&quot;This trip is a confirmation of our claim to sovereignty&quot; over part of Antarctica, he said.

Throughout the 20th century, countries like Chile, France, the U.S., the UK, Argentina, and Japan established research stations in Antarctica for scientific purposes and to solidify their presence in the forbidding region.

Since 1961, activities in Antarctica have been governed by the ''Antarctic Treaty'', which seeks to protect the continent and surrounding seas from geopolitical tensions.

The U.S. State Department states that seven countries, including Chile, maintain territorial claims in Antarctica, but, &quot;...the United States and most other countries do not recognize those claims.&quot;

Boric's journey began early in the day from Punta Arenas, in southern Chile, and he reached Chile’s research station on the Union Glacier in Antarctica aboard a Hercules C-130 military transport plane.

Boric’s visit comes at a &quot;critical time for Chile’s scientific endeavors in the region,&quot; his office stated. In the past, Chile has focused its research in the northern part of Antarctica, but the South American country hopes to expand its efforts to the Bellingshausen and Weddell Seas, according to a statement from the presidency

&quot;This is a historic moment for Chile,&quot; Boric said, adding, &quot;It is an honor to be the first president to visit this place. To see the Chilean flag among the 12 representing the signatories of the Antarctic Treaty fills me with pride.&quot;

Boric’s visit emphasizes Chile's strategic interest in Antarctica, a region that has been the subject of territorial disputes over time. Chile continues to defend its claim over its portion of the continent, reaffirming its commitment to science and sovereignty in the region.
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Boric planned to spend approximately two hours at the U.S. outpost, situated in one of the planet’s most remote and harshest regions.

&quot;This trip is a confirmation of our claim to sovereignty&quot; over part of Antarctica, he said.

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Chilean president {{w|Gabriel Boric}} has made a historic trip to the South Pole to reaffirm his country’s &quot;sovereignty claim&quot; over its part of Antarctica, according to his office. Boric's visit has been hailed as a major achievement, making him the first sitting head of state in history to reach the South Pole. While other head of government such as Clark and Stoltenberg have visited the region.

Boric’s expedition was part of &quot;Operation Polar Star III,&quot; which reaffirmed Chile's commitment to Antarctica’s preservation and scientific research. Accompanied by his defense and environment ministers, as well as three military commanders, the Chilean leader arrived at the Amundsen-Scott South Pole Station, a U.S. research base, at 8pm GMT, his office reported.

Boric is the first Latin American leader to reach the planet’s southernmost point, as stated by his office. &quot;This is a milestone for us,&quot; Boric said, in footage broadcast by Chilean television. &quot;It is the first time a Chilean president has come to the South Pole and talked about Chile’s Antarctic mission.&quot;

Boric planned to spend approximately two hours at the U.S. outpost, situated in one of the planet’s most remote and harshest regions.

&quot;This trip is a confirmation of our claim to sovereignty&quot; over part of Antarctica, he said.

Throughout the 20th century, countries like Chile, France, the U.S., the UK, Argentina, and Japan established research stations in Antarctica for scientific purposes and to solidify their presence in the forbidding region.

Since 1961, activities in Antarctica have been governed by the ''Antarctic Treaty'', which seeks to protect the continent and surrounding seas from geopolitical tensions.

The U.S. State Department states that seven countries, including Chile, maintain territorial claims in Antarctica, but, &quot;...the United States and most other countries do not recognize those claims.&quot;

Boric's journey began early in the day from Punta Arenas, in southern Chile, and he reached Chile’s research station on the Union Glacier in Antarctica aboard a Hercules C-130 military transport plane.

Boric’s visit comes at a &quot;critical time for Chile’s scientific endeavors in the region,&quot; his office stated. In the past, Chile has focused its research in the northern part of Antarctica, but the South American country hopes to expand its efforts to the Bellingshausen and Weddell Seas, according to a statement from the presidency

&quot;This is a historic moment for Chile,&quot; Boric said, adding, &quot;It is an honor to be the first president to visit this place. To see the Chilean flag among the 12 representing the signatories of the Antarctic Treaty fills me with pride.&quot;

Boric’s visit emphasizes Chile's strategic interest in Antarctica, a region that has been the subject of territorial disputes over time. Chile continues to defend its claim over its portion of the continent, reaffirming its commitment to science and sovereignty in the region.
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*{{source|url=https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jan/03/chilean-president-makes-historic-trip-to-south-pole-amid-antarctica-sovereignty-claim|title=Chilean president makes historic trip to South Pole amid Antarctica sovereignty claim|author=Agence France-Presse|pub=The Guardian|date=January 3, 2025}}  
*{{source|url=https://www.radiopolar.com/jefe-historia-pisar-polo-sur-hito-marco-visita-presidente-boric-antartica|title=El primer jefe de estado de la historia en pisar el Polo Sur|author=Radio Polar|pub=Radio Polar|date=January 3, 2025}}
*{{source|url=https://www.latercera.com/nacional/noticia/presidente-boric-destaca-viaje-al-polo-sur-nos-permite-posicionarnos-como-la-principal-puerta-de-entrada-a-la-antartica/36GKAZ4BOJFCVI3HQNYJT577MM/|title=Presidente Boric destaca viaje al Polo Sur: “Nos permite posicionarnos como la principal puerta de entrada a la Antártica”|author=Paz Rubio|pub=La Tercera|date=January 4, 2025}}
*{{source|url=https://edition.cnn.com/2025/01/04/americas/chile-boric-south-pole-antarctica-intl/index.html|title=Chile’s President Boric leads journey to South Pole in historic trip|author= Catherine Nicholls and Natasha Maguder|pub=CNN|date=January 4, 2025}}
*{{source|url=https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cj0r675re2no|title=Chilean president makes historic trip to South Pole|author=Jack Burgess &amp; Leonardo Rocha|pub=BBC|date=January 3, 2025}}
*{{source|url=https://en.mercopress.com/2025/01/04/boric-reaches-south-pole|title=Boric reaches South Pole|author=MercoPress|pub=MercoPress|date=January 4, 2025}}

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Chilean president {{w|Gabriel Boric}} has made a historic trip to the South Pole to reaffirm his country’s &quot;sovereignty claim&quot; over its part of Antarctica, according to his office. Boric's visit has been hailed as a major achievement, making him the first sitting head of state in history to reach the South Pole. While other head of government such as Clark and Stoltenberg have visited the region.

Boric’s expedition was part of &quot;Operation Polar Star III,&quot; which reaffirmed Chile's commitment to Antarctica’s preservation and scientific research. Accompanied by his defense and environment ministers, as well as three military commanders, the Chilean leader arrived at the Amundsen-Scott South Pole Station, a U.S. research base, at 8pm GMT, his office reported.

Boric is the first Latin American leader to reach the planet’s southernmost point, as stated by his office. &quot;This is a milestone for us,&quot; Boric said, in footage broadcast by Chilean television. &quot;It is the first time a Chilean president has come to the South Pole and talked about Chile’s Antarctic mission.&quot;

Boric planned to spend approximately two hours at the U.S. outpost, situated in one of the planet’s most remote and harshest regions.

&quot;This trip is a confirmation of our claim to sovereignty&quot; over part of Antarctica, he said.

Throughout the 20th century, countries like Chile, France, the U.S., the UK, Argentina, and Japan established research stations in Antarctica for scientific purposes and to solidify their presence in the forbidding region.

Since 1961, activities in Antarctica have been governed by the ''Antarctic Treaty'', which seeks to protect the continent and surrounding seas from geopolitical tensions.

The U.S. State Department states that seven countries, including Chile, maintain territorial claims in Antarctica, but, &quot;...the United States and most other countries do not recognize those claims.&quot;

Boric's journey began early in the day from Punta Arenas, in southern Chile, and he reached Chile’s research station on the Union Glacier in Antarctica aboard a Hercules C-130 military transport plane.

Boric’s visit comes at a &quot;critical time for Chile’s scientific endeavors in the region,&quot; his office stated. In the past, Chile has focused its research in the northern part of Antarctica, but the South American country hopes to expand its efforts to the Bellingshausen and Weddell Seas, according to a statement from the presidency

&quot;This is a historic moment for Chile,&quot; Boric said, adding, &quot;It is an honor to be the first president to visit this place. To see the Chilean flag among the 12 representing the signatories of the Antarctic Treaty fills me with pride.&quot;

Boric’s visit emphasizes Chile's strategic interest in Antarctica, a region that has been the subject of territorial disputes over time. Chile continues to defend its claim over its portion of the continent, reaffirming its commitment to science and sovereignty in the region.
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*{{source|url=https://edition.cnn.com/2025/01/04/americas/chile-boric-south-pole-antarctica-intl/index.html|title=Chile’s President Boric leads journey to South Pole in historic trip|author= Catherine Nicholls and Natasha Maguder|pub=CNN|date=January 4, 2025}}
*{{source|url=https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cj0r675re2no|title=Chilean president makes historic trip to South Pole|author=Jack Burgess &amp; Leonardo Rocha|pub=BBC|date=January 3, 2025}}
*{{source|url=https://en.mercopress.com/2025/01/04/boric-reaches-south-pole|title=Boric reaches South Pole|author=MercoPress|pub=MercoPress|date=January 4, 2025}}

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On Wednesday, police said they had located the remains of a man who was killed by a shark on {{w|Giv'at Olga|Olga}} Beach in northern {{w|Israel}} on Monday. The victim was identified as Barak Tzach, a 40-year-old father of four. The shark attack was the country's first fatal shark attack incident since Israel's founding in 1948, and its fourth in general; the first shark attack recorded near this coast was a fatal one in the 1940s. 

Tzach's remains were found in the same location where the attack occurred, after a search lasting two days; the beach had been closed by the authorities immediately after the attack. 

Beachgoers at Olga Beach, some of whom were on holiday, witnessing the incident filmed it and posted it to social media. &quot;I was in the water, I saw blood and there were screams. [...] It's terrifying. We were here yesterday and saw the sharks circling us.&quot; 

Endangered dusky and sandbar sharks  have reportedly been frequenting the location for decades, especially in winter --- possibly due to the warm water released near {{w|Hadera}} by {{w|Orot Rabin}}, the largest power plant in Israel. Tzach's wife stated her belief that his intentions were to film and document the sharks, not to disturb them.    

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{{Ukraine}}[[File:Bus in Marhanets after Russian attack, 2025-04-23 (11).webp|thumb|left|Bus in Marhanets after Russian attack, 2025-04-23 (11)]]
On early Wednesday, a {{w|Loitering munition}} kamikaze {{w|drone}} attack from {{w|Russia}} hit a bus in the southern area of {{w|Dnipropetrovsk}} province, in {{w|Ukraine}} killing at least nine people and injuring several dozen more, though reports varied regarding the precise number of injuries. The city where the attack happened was in {{w|Marhanets}}.

134 drones from Russia were launched overnight, said {{w|Kyiv}}'s {{w|Air force}}. Ukrainian President {{w|Volodymyr Zelenskyy}} said the bus attack was 'an absolutely deliberate {{w|war crime}}'.

The drone strike hit a bus on a bank of Ukraine. The bus was sending workers to a {{w|mining}} and processing plant. Russia did not immediately want to comment on the drone strike.

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On Friday, {{W|Luigi Mangione}}, the suspect in the killing of {{W|UnitedHealthcare}} CEO {{W|Brian Thompson (businessman)|Brian Thompson}}, plead not guilty to the charges of murder and stalking. He appeared in {{w|Lower Manhattan}} court on Friday, where he stated his plea to the judge.

Mangione's not guilty plea came the same day federal prosecutors officially filed to seek {{W|capital punishment}} (also known as &quot;death penalty&quot;) for Thompson's murder. The prosecution stated their belief that the purpose of the killing was &quot;to amplify an ideological message.&quot; US Attorney General Pam Bondi, who had initially pushed for Mangione's execution, stated her belief that the murder was {{w|political violence|politically motivated}}.

Mangione's defense team had denounced the notion of executing him as &quot;barbaric.&quot;

A group of Mangione's supporters assembled outside the courthouse, with some viewing him as a kind of &quot;folk hero&quot; amid widespread dissatisfaction with the U.S. healthcare system. Reports indicated that his legal defense fund has raised more than [[United States dollar|US$]]1 million in donations.
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== See also ==
* [[US prosecutors pursue death penalty for Luigi Mangione, suspect in 2024 killing of healthcare CEO]]
* [[Luigi Mangione, suspect in killing of US healthcare CEO, charged with terrorism]]
* [[Suspect in shooting death of UnitedHealthcare CEO fled New York City by bus, police say]]

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* Strong {{support}} - We urgently and definitely need this bot for the final [[Wikinews:Water_cooler/proposals#Phase 2: Converting LQT to Flow| process of moving away]] from LQT. WMF will probably only assist with converting to Flow, and Pppery has offered to help with converting Flow to wikitext. -- [[User:Asked42|Asked42]] ([[User talk:Asked42|talk]]) 18:38, 17 October 2025 (UTC)
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*:hi @[[User:Pppery|Pppery]] bot flag granted for a month. its duration was unspecified in the request but i assumed thats enough for the task, and then i will not need to come back to take it off, please let me know if you needed some other duration, thank you! [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 03:37, 21 October 2025 (UTC)
*:: A month is fine in terms of duration (assuming the WMF actually runs their script then - I filed this beforehand because enwikinews is not known for doing things promptly), but I also need admin rights on the bot since my plan is to delete the Flow board to replace it with the wikitext version (and also XML importer because I use the import API to import content with history, but only the stewards can grant that). [[User:Pppery|* Pppery *]] [[User talk:Pppery|&lt;sub style=&quot;color:#800000&quot;&gt;it has begun...&lt;/sub&gt;]] 03:40, 21 October 2025 (UTC)
:::Hi @[[User:Pppery|* Pppery *]]
*:::1. What their script. I thought flow can start to be used straight away. 
*:::2. There are two halves of the task, conversion to wikitext and page deletion. I am thinking that you can do the conversion to wikitext without admin right; and there is possibly a tool to mass delete what needs to be deleted. Is there a namespace for it? It will be everything in 'Thread:' isn't it? I think [[Special:Nuke]] can do it (docs: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Extension:Nuke ); if that's what's needed, i can do it for you after the conversion to wikitext is finished. Please let me know if that's a reasonable approach.
:::Thanks, --[[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 19:00, 21 October 2025 (UTC)
::::@[[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]]: WMF will run its script to convert LQT pages to Flow, and this bot will then convert those Flow pages to wikitext. The bot will only suppose to run after WMF completes its conversion. --[[User:Asked42|Asked42]] ([[User talk:Asked42|talk]]) [[User:Asked42|Asked42]] ([[User talk:Asked42|talk]]) 19:02, 21 October 2025 (UTC)
:::::also see [[Wikinews:Water cooler/proposals#Phase_2:_Converting_LQT_to_Flow]]. --[[User:Asked42|Asked42]] ([[User talk:Asked42|talk]]) 19:03, 21 October 2025 (UTC)
:::::Oh I thought if someone converts LQT to Flow, then there is nothing left to do. I am not well informed. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 19:17, 21 October 2025 (UTC)
::::: I guess I could technically do the import to a separate subpage, and not require deleting anything, but I had thought the plan was to do an outright replacement of the LQT with the Flow and then with the wikitext, all leaving as few traces of the previous state as possible behind, which requires deleting both the Flow board and the &quot;/LQT Archive 1&quot; leftovers. I could have built the bot in a different way, I guess, to need fewer permissions, but I didn't expect this to be a problem. And, re Gryllida, Flow is also being deprecated and was only intended to be an intermediate state. [[User:Pppery|* Pppery *]] [[User talk:Pppery|&lt;sub style=&quot;color:#800000&quot;&gt;it has begun...&lt;/sub&gt;]] 19:48, 21 October 2025 (UTC)
:::::: Let me try to elaborate. As I understand the plan:
::::::# For every LQT board (with at least one thread on it), the WMF will run a script to convert that board to Flow. This script will.
::::::## Move the existing page there to its current title + &quot;/LQT Archive 1&quot;.
::::::## Create a new Flow board at that title with the same content (and history) as the LQT thread it's replacing.
::::::# Once all of that is done, I plan to run my bot. It will, for every Flow board:
::::::## Delete the &quot;/LQT Archive 1&quot; page (this part requires admin rights)
::::::## Delete the Flow board created in the previous step (this part requires admin rights)
::::::## Reconstruct the history of the board as if the entire discussion had been done in wikitext from the start
::::::## Use (the API version of) special import to import that history to the wiki onto the title that the Flow board (and previously the LQT thread) used to be (this part require XML importer rights).
::::::# Then, once all of that is done, as a second pass it will find all pages linking to &quot;Thread:&quot; pages, and change them to link to the converted wikitext thread (as a minor cleanup matter).
:::::: I could do only steps 2.3 and 2.4, importing to a different title instead, and thus not need admin (but still need XML importer). I'll do that if you really want, but it seems like it foists additional technical work onto others for no clear reason. [[User:Pppery|* Pppery *]] [[User talk:Pppery|&lt;sub style=&quot;color:#800000&quot;&gt;it has begun...&lt;/sub&gt;]] 21:04, 21 October 2025 (UTC)
* Does LQT have an API? It might be easier to do this in one step. [[User:Leaderboard|Leaderboard]] ([[User talk:Leaderboard|talk]]) 15:04, 22 October 2025 (UTC)
*: It does, and in fact the WMF's script to convert to Flow does use that API. But people have already written LQT-&gt;Flow and Flow-&gt;Wikitext converters whereas nobody has written a clean LQT-&gt;Wikitext converter directly. See also [[phab:T381906]]. [[User:Pppery|* Pppery *]] [[User talk:Pppery|&lt;sub style=&quot;color:#800000&quot;&gt;it has begun...&lt;/sub&gt;]] 15:36, 22 October 2025 (UTC)
*::Thank you for your time and help with completing the conversion @[[User:Pppery|Pppery]]. It seems, from the Phab comment that the conversion from LQT to Flow is mostly done. Does that mean you can now perform the final conversion? --[[User:Asked42|Asked42]] ([[User talk:Asked42|talk]]) 09:06, 11 November 2025 (UTC)
*::: I'm still waiting for my bot to be granted admin (and XML importer which only the stewards can do) rights? [[User:Pppery|* Pppery *]] [[User talk:Pppery|&lt;sub style=&quot;color:#800000&quot;&gt;it has begun...&lt;/sub&gt;]] 16:08, 11 November 2025 (UTC)
*::::Pinging @[[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]]. --[[User:Asked42|Asked42]] ([[User talk:Asked42|talk]]) 16:27, 11 November 2025 (UTC)
*:::::Permission granted. For 1 month. Please ping me if you finished earlier. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 11:42, 21 November 2025 (UTC)
*:::::: Confirming I've seen this. Will run the bot later today or tomorrow most likely. [[User:Pppery|* Pppery *]] [[User talk:Pppery|&lt;sub style=&quot;color:#800000&quot;&gt;it has begun...&lt;/sub&gt;]] 20:23, 21 November 2025 (UTC)
* @[[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]], @[[User:RockerballAustralia|RockerballAustralia]], this work [[Wikinews:Water_cooler/proposals/archives/2025/October#Moving_on_from_Liquid_Threads|has been completed]]. I believe this request can be closed and archived now.[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 13:52, 6 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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== bot request ==

Hi, gry.  In future, would you be able to create a bot which archives the sources and external links?&lt;br&gt;[[User talk:Acagastya|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #000; box-shadow: 0 0 7px #5de; padding-left:2.5px; padding-right:2.5px; border-radius:10px;&quot;&gt;•&amp;ndash;•&lt;/span&gt;]] 16:01, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
:Maybe we could use [[w:User:InternetArchiveBot]] which does the same task and runs on more than one wiki.  It is written in PHP.&lt;br&gt;[[User talk:Acagastya|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #000; box-shadow: 0 0 7px #5de; padding-left:2.5px; padding-right:2.5px; border-radius:10px;&quot;&gt;•&amp;ndash;•&lt;/span&gt;]] 23:22, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
::i will check it out [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 10:27, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
:Hi @[[User:Acagastya|Acagastya]] would such bot be allowed in wikimedia toolforge? External articles are not freely licensed. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 22:13, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

== ??? ==

Can you clarify a bit about this ''Welcome a bit''?--[[User:Bddpaux|Bddpaux]] ([[User talk:Bddpaux|talk]]) 21:47, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
:Hi Bddpaux, it sends you email notifications about new article submissions - either to the 'develop' or 'review' or 'published' queues. You can choose a set of categories (eg 'Australia' or 'Politics') to limit the tracking only to these categories and not to all of them. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 21:51, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
:Hi @[[User:Bddpaux|Bddpaux]] would you like to sign up? I'm trying to implement this more in wiki software [[Wikinews:Water_cooler/assistance#Mailing_lists|here]]. Please let me know how this works for you? [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 22:26, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

== WelcomeABit ==

Hi Gryllida

I'd like to sign up for the [[User:Gryllida/welcome a bit|welcome-a-bit]] notifications. Here are my preferences:

* '''Article status ('published' or 'developing' or 'review')''': 
* '''Topics (comma separated)''':  
* '''Delivery type ('email' or 'wiki')''': 

--[[User:2006nishan178713|2006nishan178713]]&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:2006nishan178713|t@lk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 04:03, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

:Are you still interested? Can you provide more details? Thanks [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 10:32, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

== Facebook again ==

Hi Gryllida, good to see you're back. I sent you an email around mid-November asking if you're still able to post to the Facebook page, and if so if you could post an acknowledgement of the situation with it. Could you look into this when you've time, please? Thanks. [[User:Heavy Water|Heavy Water]] ([[User talk:Heavy Water|talk]]) 17:18, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

:Hi, do you mean &quot;Hi all, we have spam in our Stories section, we are investigating. Unfortunately we have to go through the Wikimedia Foundation (WMF) and it may take several weeks. Sorry for the inconvenience&quot; message? [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 23:20, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
::Yep. [[User:Heavy Water|Heavy Water]] ([[User talk:Heavy Water|talk]]) 04:08, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
:::Can see only button to 'Create a fundraiser' or reply to DMs. I think I don't have access to create a new post. If there's a volunteer interested happy to do screen sharing and show you what features are available to me, maybe I am not looking in the right place... [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 00:14, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
:Was this resolved? [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 10:36, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

== Hello ==

It's been a while. Could you please move [[User talk:ICameHereForNews]] to [[User talk:CheatCodes4ever]]? [[User:CheatCodes4ever|CheatCodes4ever]] ([[User talk:CheatCodes4ever|talk]]) 10:38, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
:They both have a page history, would you like the [[User talk:CheatCodes4ever]] page to be deleted together with all of its history to allow for the page move? [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 00:09, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
::Yes. [[User:CheatCodes4ever|CheatCodes4ever]] ([[User talk:CheatCodes4ever|talk]]) 00:16, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
::Hello? [[User:CheatCodes4ever|CheatCodes4ever]] ([[User talk:CheatCodes4ever|talk]]) 10:10, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
:::[[User:CheatCodes4ever|CheatCodes4ever]]: I suggest you ask at [[WN:Admin action alerts]] to direct your request toward all admins and probably get a faster response. I'm not an admin, but I don't think it would be acceptable to move one account's user page to another even if they're operated by the same person (it seems whether these ''are'' operated by the same person ought to be indicated anyway). [[User:Heavy Water|Heavy Water]] ([[User talk:Heavy Water|talk]]) 16:39, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
::::Was it discussed at AAA? [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 03:13, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

== Bureaucrat?? ==

I actually want to re-assume this role.... Can you make that happen?--[[User:Bddpaux|Bddpaux]] ([[User talk:Bddpaux|talk]]) 22:37, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

:Missed the entire discussion. I will review it at earliest opportunity and get back to you. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 03:09, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

== My wikinewsie email ==

Acagastya asked (at their talk page) for you to press some buttons so I can re-connect with my email account over there. I've totally lost my password for that account and imagine I have ten million emails.--[[User:Bddpaux|Bddpaux]] ([[User talk:Bddpaux|talk]]) 02:44, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

:My VPS died and I don't have access at present. @[[User:Acagastya|Acagastya]] please send me an email and I will reply with my pubkey. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 03:07, 26 June 2024 (UTC)


== WelcomeABit ==

Hi Gryllida

I'd like to sign up for the [[User:Gryllida/welcome a bit|welcome-a-bit]] notifications. Here are my preferences:

* '''Article status ('published' or 'developing' or 'review')''': developing
* '''Topics (comma separated)''':  1. Wars 2. Science/Tech Stories 3. US Politics
* '''Delivery type ('email' or 'wiki')''': TBC

(This is my note for Me Da Wikipedian)

--[[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 02:54, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

== sxw files discussion ==

Lost the link, if someone finds it, please post it here... [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 11:36, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

== Email??? ==

Did you read my response? I really need to be able to get into my WN email account to do some work.--[[User:Bddpaux|Bddpaux]] ([[User talk:Bddpaux|talk]]) 14:31, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

== Mpox article ==

I would love to review this article, but the notes were sent to Scoop -- I cannot access my WN email account. That is a major problem. This has to be rectified.--[[User:Bddpaux|Bddpaux]] ([[User talk:Bddpaux|talk]]) 18:19, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

:I have been trying to reach Acagastya for two weeks to get access to the mail server now.
:Apologies for the delay. He provided me access but I did not setup my access to it from all my devices. One of my devices died and we have this situation now.
:Internally we should have a Wikinewsie/wn-reporters wiki. We had one before. It could be good to put cell numbers of key users with privileged access into such an internal wiki one day. Would you agree?
:I will keep you updated. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 02:15, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
::Yeah, the internal space was nice. But: We need the 'formal' email space we've had. --[[User:Bddpaux|Bddpaux]] ([[User talk:Bddpaux|talk]]) 15:36, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

== Familiar? mpox article ==

In written form this may come across as snitty (so please don't take it that way) -- but as a Reviewer (Editor), I don't think one really needs to be familiar with a topic to review/publish an article appertaining... one just needs to know the rules about what does/doesn't work around here. Don't want to scold you for not reviewing something, while I am busily not reviewing it myself -- I am just curious about your thinking.--[[User:Bddpaux|Bddpaux]] ([[User talk:Bddpaux|talk]]) 00:30, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

:@[[User:Bddpaux|Bddpaux]] I find myself more successful in digging sources, for hours at times, for some topics but not for others. Weather and crime events, and local news, are in the former category. I find it unfortunately very difficult to work outside of this small list of topics. I don't, for example, know, nor can remember quickly, that WHO has a chairperson or some structure in it that votes on things; I can easily misuse or misplace their names. Reviewing a story with new vocabulary takes me two or three times as much time (which is my current environment comes in blocks of 5 minutes, rather often not a whole free hour, not to mention two, due the surrounding noise.) I don't know whether that's normal or not. It would be interesting for me to know whether other reviewers have such stronger and weaker topics also, or not. I am happy to clarify as desired. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 10:32, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

== subscribe ==

[[Category:Gryllida/notify/new/develop]]

[[Category:Gryllida/notify/new/review]]

[[Category:Gryllida/notify/new/publish]]

Category:Gryllida/notify/new/develop [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 09:18, 11 October 2024 (UTC)


== We need Three active Wikimedians to join us on Wikimedians of Art Outreach User Group ==

Please, l need two active Wikimedians to join our Wikimedians of Art Outreach Users group. Very urgent. Please help me to recommend two active editors for our User Group?

Three active Wikimedians.
	1.	Olusola David, Ayibiowu 
	2.	
	3.	
Visit: https://meta.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedians_of_Art_Outreach_User_Group#Objectives

[[User:EduEditorsNG|EduEditorsNG]] ([[User talk:EduEditorsNG|talk]]) 12:14, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

== Review of article ==

I didn't want to 'not-ready' the [[Heavy rains hit Southern India]] article again in hopes that you can quickly fix it for publication. See the [[Talk:Heavy_rains_hit_Southern_India#Orange_and_red_alerts|talk page]] for more. —[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[:Category:Michael.C.Wright_(Wikinewsie)|Published]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 13:57, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

:Thanks. I've replied on article talk page. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 11:21, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

== Help me to add My profile photo in Wikinews ==

[[File:Olusola_David_Ayibiowu.png|thumb|Olusola David, Ayibiowu my profile photo.]] this is photo link on Appropedia https://www.appropedia.org/File:Olusola_David_Ayibiowu.png
[[User:EduEditorsNG|EduEditorsNG]] ([[User talk:EduEditorsNG|talk]]) 15:08, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

== If you can ==

Please proof my recent review: [[Bruce Lehrmann judge said to have no links to published book of judgement]]. Thanks. —[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[:Category:Michael.C.Wright_(Wikinewsie)|Published]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 21:19, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

:Hi @[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] I've revised for [[WN:IP|inverted pyramid]] and didn't sight my edit; please check? [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 22:08, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

== Quantas article ==

Because I know you prefer getting pinged here; I have reviewed [[Qantas Australian airline employees strike for better wages]] and posted in the talk page. At 97 words, it was too short to publish but I hoped I could expand it enough without becoming involved. However, there are other, unsourced statements that if removed, would render the article too short for publication. Details at the talk page. —[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[:Category:Michael.C.Wright_(Wikinewsie)|Published]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 15:47, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

:thanks for ping working on it now [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 21:14, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

== test ==

1 [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 21:27, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

== New open poll, request to update sitenotice ==

I have opened a new poll here: [[Wikinews_talk:2024 Copyright license upgrade#Set date of actual upgrade (a poll)]]. 

Can you update the sitenotice (the banner at the top of all pages that currently says &quot;Wikinews is written by people like you...&quot; to point to the open poll and encourage people to discuss and vote on it? It is an urgent vote on a long-standing project. 

Thank you in advance. —[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[:Category:Michael.C.Wright_(Wikinewsie)|Published]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 18:44, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

:ok i will do it soon [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 04:06, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
:done and I asked you a question about the licence. :-) [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 04:35, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

== One more time, please....... ==

What was the browser/email client you'd recommended I download/use to start receiving my wikinews emails?--[[User:Bddpaux|Bddpaux]] ([[User talk:Bddpaux|talk]]) 15:32, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

:[[:w:Thunderbird]], please test for both receiving and sending emails
:once working please let me know and send screenshot of your settings to @[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] as he got email access ages ago but is not able to send emails
:thanks @[[User:Bddpaux|Bddpaux]] 
:have a good day [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 04:06, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
::OK. Thank you. And: I don't use Mozilla Firefox -- will that cause problems?--[[User:Bddpaux|Bddpaux]] ([[User talk:Bddpaux|talk]]) 20:50, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
:::Firefox does not have an email client in it. We currently do not have webmail installed. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 22:14, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

== Regarding the request at AAA ==

Recently you said this at WN:AAA[https://en.wikinews.org/w/index.php?title=Wikinews:Admin_action_alerts&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=4806323]: {{tq|Thank you for your help AramilFeraxa. For Michael.C.Wright's reference, I am a local sysop and I may be able to assist quickly, I only need clearer instructions what needs to be done and up to two days to respond. Seems like a non urgent issue and I had no idea what steps are needed. If anything is needed in future a request can be made here with specific instructions.}}

Are you suggesting that I did not give local admins an opportunity to take action on the request? I initially made the request at AAA six days ago, explicitly so that any admin, whether global or local (yourself included), could respond. However, no local admin addressed it until after a global sysop stepped in to assist.

It is counter-productive to ask global sysops to step back when local admins are not addressing the workload. We have been requesting assistance from local admins since July[https://en.wikinews.org/w/index.php?title=Wikinews:Admin_action_alerts&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=4791936]] to make necessary edits to edit-protected pages for the upgrade project, and those tasks still remain unfinished.

If your schedule does not permit making the edits yourself, could you consider temporarily removing or downgrading the edit protection on the listed[https://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikinews:2024_Copyright_license_upgrade#Pages_to_update_when_license_is_updated_from_2.5_to_4.0] pages? That would allow me to complete the changes and move the project forward.

Thank you for your attention to this matter, and I appreciate any steps you can take to help resolve this. —[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[:Category:Michael.C.Wright_(Wikinewsie)|Published]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 14:56, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

:Hi Michael.C.Wright
:Thank you for asking me.
:* It isn't Wikipedia, if it is not vandalism then waiting more than six days is fine. I would have seen the message eventually. Possibly on a weekend.
:* I am not sure how I am supposed to follow the page. I managed to subscribe to receive notifications about recent changes by joining 'en.wikinews' live chat on Wikimedia IRC network. There is a bot that outputs each recent change. However, this is too much for me to read on my busier days. It would be nice if there was a way to receive notifications of new edits on-wiki, with each notification being given a priority (for example, messages which ping me or are on my personal talk page or are on AAA are 'very high'; messages or edits to articles I watch are 'high'; everything else is 'average'). I haven't seen any way how this can be achieved. So my responses are spotty for now and I welcome any assistance in the setup.
:* For the above reason, highlighting me or leaving me a message could help. (I'm two weeks behind on my echo notifications, but yet this is going to likely be something that I read among first items on my list when I am less busy.)
:* I don't know what you want me to do. One option is to downgrade protection. What is the other option? What edits can I possibly make myself? The link in &quot;downgrading the edit protection on the listed[3] page&quot; contains a long discussion and does not include a list of pages I can immediately act on.
:Thank you again. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 17:56, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

== Request for the license upgrade project ==

I have made a request here: [[Wikinews_talk:2024_Copyright_license_upgrade#Pages_to_update]]. I am posting here as you have previously preferred. I will also notify you via IRC. —[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[:Category:Michael.C.Wright_(Wikinewsie)|Published]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 17:04, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

== Why... ==

Are you publishing articles without updating the ledes? It's a necessary step, I'm just wondering if there's something preventing you from doing it. [[User:Heavy Water|Heavy Water]] ([[User talk:Heavy Water|talk]]) 20:33, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

:Tried to do it a few times this year and got bored after  updating the first two ledes. I did complete it that time, but did not want to do the procedure again. 
:It would be much better if the software updated all five ledes in one go, not on separate actions. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 21:17, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
:I did it twice yesterday, and honestly such a royal boring pain to bear with. :-( [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 21:58, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
:Wow, I accidentally clicked one of the entries listed in MakeLead and it actually filled it in as news title for making the lead. I was previously typing its first two-three words manually into the box each time and waiting for autocomplete of the title. The clicking is so much easier. I'm happier about the process now. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 02:10, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

== Hi ==

Hi, thank you for taking the time to review and publish my work! I really appreciate it.

I've started putting inline citations on everything to maybe help the reviewing process go quicker and easier for you. 

Let me know if there's anything else I can do to reduce workload in the review process, or if there are any recurring learner's mistakes in my work that I am not seeing. Have a good day!! [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 21:07, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

:Hi @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] :-)
About inline citations via {{tl|Verify}}:
:* Wikinews never did. They appeared when [[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] started reviewing as far as I know. 
:* They are not an official policy.
:* Published articles do not have them.
:* I don't use inline citations.  I delete them.  I am going to fact check a sentence against all sources, so having an inline citation next to it does not help me.
:* If it is essential that a particular piece comes from a particular source, it is best to spell it out in text.
:* (This also leaves an option to do audio Wikinews, which is kind of like radio. I don't know where that went, I'm going to work on it on the holidays. Citations are not audible while 'BBC reported that...' is.)
:For reducing load:
:* include image credit
:* write in past tense
:* visit [[Newsroom]] and edit others' submissions for NPOV, copyvio, [[WN:IP|inverted pyramid]], etc
:* find your peers who are keen to spend a lot of time online and enjoy reading, and invite them here
:* you're welcome to join [[WN:IRC|live chat]] (my nick is 'gry' there)
:Let me know if you have any further questions. :-)
:Regards, [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 21:36, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
::Thanks! I noticed that the inline citations got removed from the finished articles, I guess my thought process was that each individual claim would be easier to check and verify if it had the link right next to it. I think it could also make it easier to identify any copyright issues that need fixed in the article. Thanks!! [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 21:50, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
:::Sounds good. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 21:54, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

::::{{ping|Gryllida|Lofi Gurl}} {{tl|verify}} is indeed a tool to help both authors and reviewers in ensuring all information is sourced. Some reviewers will recommend hidden, HTML comments, which I have used in the past as an author. Attributing in prose is of-course highly recommended and often necessary, but can't be done for every single statement. While every single statement must be sourced and verifiable, per [[WN:Source]].  

::::I made the template specifically to help alleviate [[User:Michael.C.Wright/sandbox/The problem|the problems caused by too few active reviewers]], namely the time and effort required to review articles, which can often be more difficult than actually writing an article. —[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[:Category:Michael.C.Wright_(Wikinewsie)|Published]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 15:14, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::I don't use this tool. I read through each source to verify each sentence. When I see it in articles I review, I delete the 'verify' templates blindly as a first edit. Just a FYI I don't recommend all authors to use it; if it is essential that a claim came from a specific source this needs to be written in text. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 23:26, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

== This story stale? ==

https://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Male_taken_in_after_a_driving_problem_has_shooting_in_Boston%E2%80%99s_South_End_neighborhood, thank you, i just don't want to continue writing if there is no point. [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 21:51, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

:Technically &quot;anything within last 7 days&quot; is considered passable currently which was done as a last resort when the were lack of reviewers. There is a strong preference to fresher events, of course. May be best to write it shorter (just the 5Ws and ensure minimal length is met) if you would like to help the review to be quicker. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 21:56, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
::{{w|Gryllida}}, {{w|Lofi Gurl}}
::Gry, '''Lofi Gurl''' has helped greatly. [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 21:59, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
:::Thanks Lofi Gurl. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 22:01, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

== My BBC source in the Syria article ==

Can you check the way I formatted the authors in that reference and let me know if it can be improved in any way? I have the article submitted for review. {{unsigned|Lofi Gurl}}
:Feras Kilani missing.
:They wrote &quot;M and O, with B and F and L in Damascus&quot; because I guess the last three are on-site. This does not matter for the source template.
:&quot;Matt Spivey, Owen Amos, Barbara Plett Usher, Feras Kilani, Lina Sinjab&quot; maybe OK? [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 22:37, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

== I have a question about copyright ==

Am I required to give photo credit on works that are public domain? Thanks. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 22:29, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

:not required, but you can anyway if you want :-) [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 22:32, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

== The year 2024 ==

Hi! I think someone on another language version asked me if English Wikinews would make an article about the change of license. But I could not find that message again. I imagine that usually articles are about things that happen outside Wiki, but perhaps some people would be interested in reading about Wiki too. I do not know if you have thought about it or if there is usually an article about the past year. Merry Christmas! [[User:MGA73|MGA73]] ([[User talk:MGA73|talk]]) 09:59, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

:Hi MGA73. (I am mostly away until the end of this week.) This isn't fresh now...; could this be posted into water cooler as it contains some newsletters? I could link to it from the site notice, to say '''Wikinews'' content licence was updated on day XXX, please see LINK for more info'. Regards, [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 22:36, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

:: Hi! Sure, yes that would fine. --[[User:MGA73|MGA73]] ([[User talk:MGA73|talk]]) 06:23, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

== Scoop access ==

I tried to log in to my Scoop email account today and received an error: &quot;Can't connect to server.&quot; 

A screenshot of the error message I get from webmail[https://webmail.wn-reporters.org/] can be seen here:  https://ibb.co/nD7WzT1 

When I try to log in using a desktop app, I see the certificate expired in November. —[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[:Category:Michael.C.Wright_(Wikinewsie)|Published]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 16:21, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

:Hi [[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] :-)
:* I've just renewed the certificates for wn-reporters.org and mail.wn-reporters.org (the latter being the mail address for both smtp and imap servers in your email client). 
:* I tested it by successfully sending mail from wn-reporters to an external email server ([[:w:Fastmail|Fastmail]]) and then back. 
:Does it work for you? Regards, [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 00:36, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
:(webmail now partially works: logging in and viewing messages is possible, but not sending them.) [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 00:44, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
:Webmail now works properly, sending emails also works. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 01:07, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
::I can confirm that for me, webmail is now fully accessible and I have successfully sent an email to an external address as well (yay!). Thank you. —[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[:Category:Michael.C.Wright_(Wikinewsie)|Published]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 17:48, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
:::You're welcome. Can you please review the new years story with the corresponding OR materials, as I can't commit to that amount of detail. Ideally cut what cannot verify, and publish. @[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] Thanks [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 22:52, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
::::What OR materials are you referring to? Did something come through to Scoop? If so, I did not receive it. I just checked my inbox. 
::::Also, did you see Heavy Waters message on that talk page regarding Scoop access for him and another? —[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 13:58, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::Hi @[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]]
:::::They need to request here. Article talk page may get deleted and I need the request to stay. I am happy to provide access to a reviewer.
:::::If the author did not email scoop, please ask the author to email again, perhaps start with a hello world message with no attachments in case email was too big.
:::::Regards, [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 18:59, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::What is the maximum attachment size allowed by the mail server for Scoop? —[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 23:13, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::Possibly none. Does the sender get an error message? [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 03:01, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
{{outdent|7}}The Scoop email server has a 10MB size limit. The server responded to test emails with this message: &lt;code&gt;message size 12864141 exceeds size limit 10240000 of server&lt;/code&gt;. I have already updated our documentation to indicate the limit.[https://en.wikinews.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Develop/Original_reporting&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=4835459], [https://en.wikinews.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Develop/Original_reporting/introduction&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=4835458] 

I arranged for the attachments to be sent to my personal email and the article has since been published. 

Just thinking out loud here; perhaps one of our project focuses in 2025 could be a complete overhaul of how authors and reviewers effectively communicate and get important information verified for [[WN:OR]]. Currently the system is dysfunctional. Not all reviewers have access to scoop, scoop isn't able to handle modern file sizes, it doesn't appear that emails can be forwarded from scoop to personal emails (server side), etc. Our dysfunctional communication process is part of [[User:Michael.C.Wright/sandbox/The_problem#Possible_areas_of_attention|our perennial problem]]. —[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 15:14, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
::I'm going to download the stuff you'd recommended recently (Thunderbird? etc.?)--[[User:Bddpaux|Bddpaux]] ([[User talk:Bddpaux|talk]]) 18:15, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
:::Is Thunderbird working for you? [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 22:51, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
:Hi @[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]]
:Is it useful to write blanket or vague statements like that? I have asked a few clarifying questions below:
:1. I will increase this limit and will get back to you.
:2. Which reviewers don't have access to scoop? Please provide me with a list. I have typically provided access to anyone who asks.
:3. Outgoing emails from scoop to personal emails works for me. Please try this again in the webmail. If there are issues, please email me screenshots ''''and''''' leave me a message on-wiki.
:Thank you a lot for writing to me about it, I hope to be able to help you shortly.
:Regards, -- [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 03:14, 28 January 2025 (UTC)
::I'm one of the reviewers who is not on scoop (nick_johns{{@}}wn-reporters [dot] org). IIRC, [[User:JJLiu112|Madeleine]] is in the same situation of having a wn-reporters address that is not on scoop. [[User:Heavy Water|Heavy Water]] ([[User talk:Heavy Water|talk]]) 04:51, 28 January 2025 (UTC)
:::To clarify — I ''had'' an email address, but my old email connected thereto was hacked, and I haven't gotten around to requesting a new one. Sorry I can't be of more help. [[User:JJLiu112|JJLiu112]] ([[User talk:JJLiu112|talk]]) 05:02, 28 January 2025 (UTC)
::::[[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]], my statement that Scoop is [[wikt:dysfunctional|dysfunctional]] is not directed at any individual. I stand by the general/blanket assessment because it is both useful and necessary to acknowledge. Scoop is currently not fulfilling its intended function—ensuring that sensitive information reaches all reviewers.

::::Further, addressing these challenges requires both the will and capacity to act. Our platforms&lt;sup&gt;([https://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikinews:Water_cooler/technical#Updating_our_image_uploader_tool another example])&lt;/sup&gt; and processes are not operating effectively, and we are spending valuable time debating whether these issues exist rather than resolving them.

::::The long-term (~18 years) editing trend is in decline, and the short-term (twelve-month) trend shows no improvement. In 2024, we saw the lowest number of pages edited in all available historical data. I believe we have been experiencing a '''publishing crisis''' for at least four years and this is a direct result of dysfunctional platforms and processes. 

::::[[File:2024-en-wn-historical-trend-pages-edited.png|alt=graph indicating historical trend.|border|center|width=500px|link=https://en.wikinews.org/wiki/User:Michael.C.Wright/sandbox/The_problem]]

::::Regarding your questions:

::::2. I have requested that all reviewers verify access and notify you of any problems[https://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikinews:Water_cooler/technical#Scoop_access]. 
::::3. {{tq|Outgoing emails from scoop to personal emails works for me.}} I was referring to the ability to ''forward'' emails sent to {{@}}wn-reporters.org to personal email addresses, server side. This way, reviewers don't necessarily have to check a separate email account (wn-reporters) in addition to their personal email, if they so choose. To clarify; I can send and receive emails to wn-reporters using webmail.

::::Thank you again for all you do around here. You wear many hats; author, reviewer, admin, 'crat, email server admin, and maybe more that I've missed.   I do recognize that when we have very few active reviewers and admins, as we currently do, this puts a heavy burden on the few active ones. —[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 19:34, 28 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::I can accept a statement only '''''with immediate action being taken to fix it''''', without necessarily waiting for Gryllida to write &quot;Here are the actions required.&quot;. Without immediate action (which does not require prompts), blanket statements are useless and '''''disruptive''''' as they require effort of another volunteer to formulate an action plan. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 23:14, 28 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::A few more responses.
:::::For point 1:
:::::* I have personal issues. They prevent me from editing. 
:::::** One of them is &quot;Michael being vague in article reviews and in collaboration&quot;. Given my other personal issues and overload from them, this issue caused me to walk away for a few months. I did not have energy to translate wise vague statements into wise actionable statements.  I have too much of that that needs doing in my environment already.  Way too much to my liking.  It would be nice to have this solved at earliest possible opportunity.
:::::For point 2: 
:::::* I appreciate that. 
:::::* I believe it's only a tip of iceberg. If you have spare moments and energy, you may wish to email each of the reviewers individually. 
:::::** In my experience they often don't read. 
:::::*** They often don't read the wiki, they don't read personal talk page, they don't read personal emails through EmailUser. They only (in selected lucky cases) read some third party social media or place that needs to be dug up from their user page or Google.
:::::For point 3: 
:::::* I was informed that this wasn't implemented because personal email are often not privacy respecting. Like: gmail, hotmail, etc. Perhaps for some other providers it is passable. With the email server working though and with webmail working, is forwarding something that you really need now? I am open to discussion. 
:::::* I will check whether this is possible to do in the webmail UI shortly.
:::::Hope it helps. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 23:22, 28 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::{{tq|[B]lanket statements are useless and disruptive as they require effort of another volunteer to formulate an action plan.}} I see where this is going and will commit to avoiding any unnecessary interaction with you and I request that you return the favor. —[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 14:38, 29 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::That's not only about me. That applies for any blanket statement. Without immediate action taken to fix it, it distracts someone else. In my view this is acceptable only when you don't know what to do about the issue. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 01:46, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

No option to add forwards in the webmail: [https://github.com/RainLoop/rainloop-webmail/issues/1846 bug report link] and they are not going to work on it anytime soon. So you need to have email client running constantly which forwards, or ask me to do a forward for you. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 01:37, 12 February 2025 (UTC)

Increased attachment file size to 200,000,000 bytes (200 MB counting in 1000s not 1024s). Is any further needed? [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 01:42, 12 February 2025 (UTC)

== [[Wikinews:Requests for permissions]] ==

Hi, I think you have consensus to give yourself IA. Can you check out the request at MediaWiki talk:Common.css? [[User:Matrix|Matrix]] ([[User talk:Matrix|talk]]) 20:44, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

:Hi @[[User:Matrix|Matrix]] I will check this. I am a bit busy this week so may take a few days. I will keep you updated. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 03:02, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
::Hi, @[[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]]! if you have a moment, could you please take a look at [[MediaWiki talk:Common.css#Edit request (2)|the request]]? Thanks. [[User:Asked42|Asked42]] ([[User talk:Asked42|talk]]) 17:38, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

== Reviewing ==

I'm going to add notes to self here about what is review queue like and what I reviewed.

Currently no articles to review. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 22:12, 27 February 2025 (UTC)

:Rewrote [[Parties agree to form triple coalition in Austria 155 days after elections]] from brief to a full story. Awaiting review.
:Published [[US Navy Secretary nominee Phelan outlines readiness, cost-cutting reforms in Senate hearing]].
:Refused to publish [[Friends of US President Trump warn Ukrainian President Zelenskiy to shift directions or leave office]] and asked a question on talk page, as event location or matter is unclear.
:Developing queue has 10+ other articles. Deleted some as stale. More remaining; ignoring for now. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 22:53, 3 March 2025 (UTC)
:(Asked Koavf whether he/she codes in JS.) [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 22:53, 3 March 2025 (UTC)
:Wrote wnr Thunderbird guide for Bddpaux [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 22:54, 3 March 2025 (UTC)
:Filed https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T387801 about Echo not notifying [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 23:48, 3 March 2025 (UTC)
:Would be good to have a script [https://en.wikinews.org/wiki/User:Gryllida/js/TagAbandoned.js like this] for archival [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 01:38, 4 March 2025 (UTC)
:Archive source URLs. Maybe automatically for a published article. Asked [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#Archival_of_url_and_source_update_script here]. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 01:38, 4 March 2025 (UTC)

== Firefox etc. ==

So: I (finally!) downloaded Mozilla Firefox and Thunderbird....... Now what?--[[User:Bddpaux|Bddpaux]] ([[User talk:Bddpaux|talk]]) 15:20, 3 March 2025 (UTC)

:Hi, [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 21:44, 3 March 2025 (UTC)
:See '''[[User:Gryllida/Wnr in Thunderbird]]''' @[[User:Bddpaux|Bddpaux]] How does this help? [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 22:08, 3 March 2025 (UTC)
:@[[User:Bddpaux|Bddpaux]] ...? [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 13:53, 6 March 2025 (UTC)
::It does help, but: I don't remember my password. Acagastaya kinda managed that, but was difficult to reach and has all but vanished. So, maybe it just won't work. I don't know. Maybe you can do a password re-set? Heck, I don't even remember my 'official' WN email address.--[[User:Bddpaux|Bddpaux]] ([[User talk:Bddpaux|talk]]) 17:02, 7 March 2025 (UTC)
:::[[Special:EmailUser/Bddpaux|Message sent]]. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 00:10, 17 March 2025 (UTC)
Fantastic! Thanks!--[[User:Bddpaux|Bddpaux]] ([[User talk:Bddpaux|talk]]) 17:29, 17 March 2025 (UTC)

:You're welcome :-) [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 00:45, 20 March 2025 (UTC)

== Top article in February! ==

[[File:Wikinews-barnstar-2025.webp|thumb|left|alt=Award for highest monthly page-views.|Contributing author for the top article published in February, 2025. The article has at least 1,237 views!]] Thank you for contributing to the article titled  &quot;[[Gunman enters Pennsylvania hospital ICU, kills officer before police fatally shoot him]].&quot; The article has the most number of page-views of all articles published in February of 2025. 

Thank you for sticking with articles and quickly working toward consensus for changes!

{{clear}}&lt;!--keep the template:clear so new sections are bumped up to wrap around image--&gt;

—[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 15:23, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

:Gosh this is good thanks. I have been writing a mobile app for news writing recently, got stuck on '''[[:w:Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#edit_api_with_oauth_javascript_(not_nodejs)_(not_mediawiki_js)_example|this]]'''. cc @[[User:Leaderboard|Leaderboard]] @[[User:Koavf|Koavf]] -- [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 19:41, 23 March 2025 (UTC)
::Great work as always, G. Keep it up. &lt;3 —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 19:45, 23 March 2025 (UTC)

== Wildfires article ==

Not that this is keeping me up at night (it isn't) -- but I wonder why this didn't show up on Main page....?--[[User:Bddpaux|Bddpaux]] ([[User talk:Bddpaux|talk]]) 16:36, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

:I did not put lede. (Check article talk.) It shows fine in the feed of published articles. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 17:05, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

== Trophy ==

Not sure how this got missed: This belongs on your user page!!

[[File:Wikinews Staff Reporter.png|100px|left|This [[Wikinews:Contributing Reporter Awards|award]] is presented to Wikinews reporters upon their 50th published news article.]]Keep it up!--[[User:Bddpaux|Bddpaux]] ([[User talk:Bddpaux|talk]]) 12:30, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

:Thank you @[[User:Bddpaux|Bddpaux]]. This is so inspirational to write more stories. :-) -- [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 23:05, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

== Sighting last change? ==

I was wondering if you could possibly, last edit from me for the Conway, Arkansas article? Thank you very much! P.S. I wish to stay anonymous, thank you again! @[[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] [[Special:Contributions/64.39.81.71|64.39.81.71]] ([[User talk:64.39.81.71|talk]]) 23:23, 14 April 2025 (UTC)

:{{done}} Thanks. You're welcome to {{channel|wikinews-en}} join the live chat (stick around for a couple hours, it's a bit quiet at times~) It is a pretty anonymous platform that does not require registration. Regards, -- [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 23:24, 14 April 2025 (UTC)
::Much appreciated. [[Special:Contributions/64.39.81.71|64.39.81.71]] ([[User talk:64.39.81.71|talk]]) 23:26, 14 April 2025 (UTC)

== Review Help Needed - Update 1 (April 15, 2025) ==

Hello!

This is Gryllida. I am one of the reviewers at Wikinews. I'm contacting you to request assistance with the review queue. Here is my understanding of the articles which are in the review queue now:

{| class=&quot;wikitable&quot;
! Event Date !! Link
!Did I edit substantially?
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| April 6 Sunday ||
* [[Deadly attack on gold miners in Papua leaves multiple casualties and sparks security response]]
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|April 9 Wednesday
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* [[Prison confession and police interrogation video of Delphi bridge murderer made public for first time]]
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|April 9 Wednesday
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* [[Helicopter crash in South Africa blamed on 'unsecured' penguin]]
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|April 10 Thursday
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* [[Authorities identify Legionnaires' disease outbreak in Sydney CBD, Australia]]
|YES
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|April 10 Thursday
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* [[US Health Secretary vows to determine cause of autism by September]]
|YES
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|April 12 Saturday
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* [[Nuclear negotiations between US and Iran commence in Muscat, Oman]]
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|April 13 Sunday
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* [[Nobel laureate writer from Peru, Vargas Llosa dies]]
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|April 14 Monday
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* [[President Bukele says he will not return wrongly deported U.S. man, confounding U.S. Supreme Court order]]
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|April 14 Monday
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* [[Pop singer Katy Perry safely returns to Earth from outer space]]
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|}

Suggested action:

* Start to review from the top of the list.
* As the list may be out of date, please check the '''[[WN:Newsroom]]''' at your earliest convenience.

I'm planning to send this reminder twice a week. To unsubscribe, please visit [[User:Gryllida/Notifications/New/Review]] and inquire at the talk page. '''If you wish, I can narrow it down to only notify you of new stories in your preferred region or topic. Please let me know if you are interested in this option.'''

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Many thanks for your time.

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== Review Help Needed - Update 2 (April 21, 2025) - 17 articles awaiting review ==

Hello! :-)

This is Gryllida. I am one of the reviewers at Wikinews. I'm contacting you to request your assistance with the review queue. Here is my understanding of the articles which are in the review queue now:

{| class=&quot;wikitable&quot;
|+ Caption
! Event Date !! Link
!Did I edit substantially?
|-
|April 9 Wednesday
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* [[Prison confession and police interrogation video of Delphi bridge murderer made public for first time]]
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|April 10 Thursday
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* [[US Health Secretary vows to determine cause of autism by September]]
|YES
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|[[Suspect taken into custody and charged after Pennsylvania governor Josh Shapiro is forced to evacuate gubernatorial mansion with family following suspected arson attack]]
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|-
|April 12 Saturday
|[[Nuclear negotiations between US and Iran commence in Muscat, Oman]]
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|[[Weezer performs at Coachella music festival with bassist Scott Shriner four days after his wife was shot by Los Angeles police, charged with attempted murder]]
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|April 13 Sunday
|[[Sumy, Ukraine hit with two missiles by Russia]]
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|April 14 Monday
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* [[President Bukele says he will not return wrongly deported U.S. man, confounding U.S. Supreme Court order]]
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|April 14 Monday
|[[Pop singer Katy Perry safely returns to Earth from outer space]]
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|-
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|[[Thousands hospitalised in Iraq due to sandstorm]]
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|-
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|[[Teen's murder of both parents was part of larger plot to assassinate Donald Trump and overthrow US government, newly-released FBI affidavit says]] [[Teen's murder of both parents was part of larger plot to assassinate Donald Trump and overthrow US government, newly-released FBI affidavit says|(Date TBC)]]
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|-
|April 15 Tuesday
|[[New rape and sexual assault charges trial for Harvey Weinstein in Manhattan]]
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|[[Protester tasered and arrested at town hall hosted by US Republican congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene]]
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|[[Several suspects dead in South Africa after shootout results in the rescue of abducted US pastor]]
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|[[16 year old Torquay boy arrested after stealing Lexus in Exeter]]
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|April 16 Wednesday
|[[Rwandan government releases Integrated Household Living Conditions Survey]]
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|[[German prosecutors charge doctor with murder of over a dozen patients via anaesthetic drugs, arson]]  [[German prosecutors charge doctor with murder of over a dozen patients via anaesthetic drugs, arson|Date TBC]]
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|April 17 Thursday
|[[Four dead in cable car crash in area south of Naples]]
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|April 18 Friday
|[[Ryan Gosling cast in upcoming Star Wars film]]
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|[[Cincinnati Reds win against Baltimore Orioles]]
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|}

Suggested action:

* Start to review, perhaps from the top of the list. 
* Please, aim to review at least one article a fortnight, if able. We currently have less than 50% activity among reviewers, with many '''not having made an edit within last two years'''. If there is something that can help you with coming back, please let me know. I'm happy to chat with you at IRC, wiki, audio, or any preferred platform and do several reviews together. If there is some other motivator, I'm eager to know what it is and get it done as soon as possible.
* As the list may be out of date, please check the '''[[WN:Newsroom]]''' at your earliest convenience.

I'm planning to send this reminder twice a week. To unsubscribe, please visit [[User:Gryllida/Notifications/New/Review]] and inquire at the talk page. '''If you wish, I can narrow it down to only notify you of new stories in your preferred region or topic. Please let me know if you are interested in this option.'''

Please let me know if you require assistance or would like to connect with me to do a few reviews together before you proceed to do them fully on your own.

Many thanks for your time.

Regards, -- [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 06:23, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
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== court date ==

I have not found a court date set for the Josh Shapiro incident. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 19:50, 20 April 2025 (UTC)

:issue with [[WN:Freshness]] is there an email of the relevant police station, i can ask them for clarification from my wn-reporters email? thanks [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 21:33, 20 April 2025 (UTC)

== Please block BigKrow2 ==

Imposter account @[[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 21:16, 20 April 2025 (UTC)

Thank you very much I'm getting tired of socks [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 21:17, 20 April 2025 (UTC)

:{{done}} thanks for the report [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 21:32, 20 April 2025 (UTC)

== Review Help Requested - Update 3 (April 26, 2025) - 2 articles awaiting review ==

Hello :-) This is Gryllida. I am one of the reviewers at Wikinews. I'm contacting you to request your assistance with the review queue. Here is my understanding of the articles which are in the review queue now: 

* [[Tesla reports 71% profit loss in 25Q1 vs 24Q1, Elon Musk to reduce government work commitment]] TUESDAY April 22 (Gryllida did a major edit, and cannot review) - '''4 days ago'''
* [[Lion mauls, kills teenage girl in Kenya]] SATURDAY April 19 - '''7 days ago''' LAST DAY TO REVIEW IS TODAY

Please review urgently. 

As the list may be out of date, please check the '''[[WN:Newsroom]]''' at your earliest convenience.

You're welcome to join [[WN:IRC|the live chat]] for real time collaboration.

(I'm planning to send this reminder approximately twice a week. To unsubscribe, please visit [[User:Gryllida/Notifications/New/Review]] and inquire at the talk page. '''If you wish, I can narrow it down to only notify you of new stories in your preferred region or topic. Please let me know if you are interested in this option.''')

Please let me know if you require assistance or would like to connect with me to do a few reviews together before you proceed to do them fully on your own.

Many thanks for your time.

Regards, [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 23:29, 25 April 2025 (UTC)
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== test ==

{{#assessment:Main|A|High}}

test. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 11:39, 15 May 2025 (UTC)

== Note to self: mw query about categories for archives and talk page section archival ==

* [[:mw:Project:Support_desk#Enable_editing_category_of_protected_articles]]
* [[:mw:Project:Support_desk#Enable_section_archival]]
[[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 12:06, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

== Review Help Requested - Update 4 (May 24, 2025) - 18 articles awaiting review ==

Hello, legendary Wikinews Reviewer :-)

Please review any of the below now. This is a sortable table. Please check [[Wikinews:Newsroom]] for the latest revision.

{| class=&quot;wikitable sortable&quot;
|+
!
!
!
!
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|[[Rock musician, Tommy Lee and wife split after 6 years of marriage]]
|16??
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|-
|[[Orleans Parish facility maintenance worker charged with allegedly helping inmates escape prison]]
|20
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|[[Wikipedia administrators are being arrested in Belarus]]
|17
|original reporting!
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|-
|[[Australian Nationals leave Coalition with Liberal Party]]
|20
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|[[Ukrainian ex-top official shot dead outside Madrid school]]
|21
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|[[Trump claims there is a 'genocide' in South Africa, but white Afrikaner farmers dispute that assertion]]
|21
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|-
|[[Suicide bomber attacks Mogadishu military base]]
|18
|7 days ago!
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|-
|[[Explosion near reproductive health facility in Palm Springs, California]]
|17
|8 days ago!
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|-
|[[Interpol facilitates arrest of Peruvian organised crime suspect in Medellin, Colombia]]
|15
|10 days ago!
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|[[Shooting at CIA headquarters in Virginia]]
|22
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|[[End confirmed for the American penny]]
|22
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|[[Inaugural Khelo India Beach Games concludes early]]
|23
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|[[GeoGuessr cancels participation in Esports World Cup in response to controversy over Saudi Arabia hosting the event]]
|22nd May
|short article easy?
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|-
|[[Sound Talent Group employees among casualties in private plane crash at San Diego, California]]
|22
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|[[Nepal Supreme Court upholds custody of Rabi Lamichhane in cooperative fraud case]]
|23
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|[[Police activity on Interstate 80 in Berkeley near University Avenue]]
|23
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|[[High-Speed RV Chase Ends in Fatal Crash – Albuquerque]]
|18
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|[[Donald Trump wants Golden Dome missile defense system]]
|20
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|}

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== Template: article checklist ==

Headline in active voice - yes/no

Headline in present tense - yes/no

Check event date. Tick the box if Event is CURRENT (less than 5, ideally less than 2, days ago) - yes/no

Article contains no pasted content that was not attributed - yes/no

Wrote all in my own words - yes/no

Attributed quotes where needed (no plagiarism) - yes/no

Content in past tense - yes/no

Content in active voice - yes/no

Neutral content (NPOV) - yes/no

Content length reached - yes/no

[[Wikinews:5W|5W]] answered in first paragraph - yes/no

[[Wikinews:IP|inverted pyramid]] . - yes/no

categories were added - yes/no

wikilinks were added using &quot;w&quot; template - yes/no

sources were filled in (date, publisher, etc) - yes/no

fresh sources are listed first - yes/no

article contains an image - yes/no [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]], [[WN:IRC|live chat]]) 17:50, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

== User:GreekApple123 ==

Please don't let them create no content categories, thank you. @[[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 18:03, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

:@[[User:GreekApple123|GreekApple123]] only if there is a handful of pages thanks [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]], [[WN:IRC|live chat]]) 19:50, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
::I think every new category creates the potential for 1,000 new articles, but alright. [[User:GreekApple123|GreekApple123]] ([[User talk:GreekApple123|talk]]) 20:35, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
:::Make the first handful then add category :-) Mine is bland, I just look at news in my country. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]], [[WN:IRC|live chat]]) 21:40, 4 June 2025 (UTC)

== Wikinews closure formally recommended ==

The Task Force has released a report that formally recommends closing Wikinews. The public consultation is here: [[m:Public consultation about Wikinews]].[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 13:59, 26 June 2025 (UTC)

:thanks, i left a few notes at the talk page [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 11:50, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

== Top article for June! ==

[[File:Wikinews-barnstar-2025.webp|thumb|left|alt=Award for highest monthly page-views.|Contributing author for the top article published in June, 2025. The article has at least 3,666 views!]] Thank you for contributing to the article titled  &quot;[[Boeing 787 crashes into Indian medical school, killing hundreds]].&quot; The article has the most number of page-views of all articles published in June of 2025.

The article set a new, high bar for page views!

{{clear}}&lt;!--keep the template:clear so new sections are bumped up to wrap around image--&gt; —[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 13:22, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

== Hi ==

Thought about the offer. I think I would like to become a reviewer. I think it could help make me a better writer. I don't believe I currently have the emotional maturity to be an administrator though, unfortunately. I was just involved in a childish dispute with another editor over wikilinks and warning templates over at ENWP. Could have conducted myself better. I feel dumb [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 23:59, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

== You back? ==

[[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 20:54, 20 July 2025 (UTC)

:@[[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 20:55, 20 July 2025 (UTC)
::I did not leave. I am on internet every day. My user page lists my contacts. Have you joined all these networks and sent me a message? [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 22:26, 20 July 2025 (UTC)
:::Hi Gryllida, Please check my(dfh Li) message on TG, thank you ~ [[User:Sheminghui.WU|Sheminghui.WU]] ([[User talk:Sheminghui.WU|talk]]) 08:39, 2 August 2025 (UTC)

== Two things ==

We could really use another active reviewer to help get articles published. Would you be willing to re-engage?

Second, the email server seems to be down, though webmail is still accessible. When I try to log in, it says: &quot;Can't connect to server.&quot;

Thanks in advance for your help on both fronts.[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 13:47, 23 July 2025 (UTC)

:Hi @[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]]. 
:* Apologies for delay, fixed now.
:* Please consider using a more meaningful heading for a section like this. Like &quot;Urgent, webmail is dead&quot;. I think it got email notification about this message but did not click the link.
:*(I am planning to file a phab ticket, the email notification should really include full content of the edit, not only first sentence and a &quot;...&quot;. This would have helped me to assess the urgency of the message.)
:Regards, [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 21:06, 8 August 2025 (UTC)

== Top article in July! ==

[[File:Wikinews-barnstar-2025.webp|thumb|left|alt=Award for highest monthly page-views.|Contributing author for the top article published in July, 2025. The article has at least 3,583 views!]] Thank you for contributing to the article titled  &quot;[[20-year-old astrophotographer captures rare solar eclipse on Saturn]].&quot; The article has the most number of page-views of all articles published in July of 2025.

That's two months in a row!

{{clear}}&lt;!--keep the template:clear so new sections are bumped up to wrap around image--&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 16:32, 4 August 2025 (UTC)

:Thanks [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 21:07, 8 August 2025 (UTC)

== Thoughts on the review process ==

During the time you were using your own streamlined approach to reviewing, primarily focusing on the 5Ws, we saw a noticeable spike in both article publication and engagement from contributors and readers. That period of activity was one of the most productive we've had in a while.

To me, this highlights two important things:

# You’ve demonstrated through practice that the current review process may be too rigid for where we are as a project.
# Lowering resistance in the review process while still maintaining standards, is likely a key part of improving participation and output.

I’m not raising this to debate the method you used (which I do personally disagree with), but rather to point out that it effectively revealed areas where our current process may be holding us back. If we, as a community, can find ways to make review more flexible, without compromising the integrity of published work, I believe we could see real improvements.

I would be interested to hear your thoughts if you're open to discussing possible reforms.[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 13:54, 7 August 2025 (UTC)

:I am open to discussion. I think we can bring that back, and tag published articles with &quot;5W was checked and copyvio, you are welcome to edit within 24h (&lt;timer of time remaining here&gt; left) to fix issues.&quot; on top. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 19:34, 7 August 2025 (UTC)
:: I have a few questions, just to clarify and understand where you're coming from. 
:: 
::# Are you envisioning more of a Wikipedia-style approach where facts must be verifiable, as opposed to our current emphasis on verified facts?
::# What are your thoughts on tools like Citoid to help with verification? I know it would shift our style slightly from traditional journalistic formatting to something more wiki-native. But maybe that tradeoff is acceptable. 
::# Would neutrality checks still be a foundational part of your review model?
::# Are there other areas where you think the current process needs to evolve to better support contributors and readers?
:: [[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 20:32, 7 August 2025 (UTC)
:::1 did not get, please rephrase
:::2 what is this and how does it work
:::3 yes
:::4 some form of &quot;are you here or are you going to vanish&quot; to know other users availability would be nice. Especially in first 2 days of article life, availability of users who edited it or are following the region. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 21:44, 7 August 2025 (UTC)
:::: 1. Are you envisioning a model closer to Wikipedia’s, where facts only need to be verifiable, meaning a reliable source exists somewhere, even if the reviewer hasn’t personally checked it, or do you still support Wikinews’ current approach, where all facts must be verified, that is, explicitly confirmed against the listed sources by the reviewer before publication?&lt;br&gt;2. [[mw:Citoid]] would allow us to use in-line citations that would appear in the article body. It may also be helpful in our archival process. It could be considered part of the &quot;shift toward the wiki model&quot; that I mentioned [[Wikinews:Water cooler/proposals#c-Michael.C.Wright-20250807134200-Gryllida-20250806180200|here]].[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 22:26, 7 August 2025 (UTC)
:::::1 is still unclear. In wikipedia i verify each source. Someone writes &quot;moon is blue [1]&quot;, if i saw that edit and taking care of it, i will check it out and verify. As reader, as reviewer of new draft, as reviewer of new edit patrol. Whatever.
:::::1a. In &quot;only check 5W&quot;, only the 5W is cross checked against sources. Everything else is cross checked reviewer time permitting (not more than 10 extra mins). If there was something i couldnt verify in 10 min, and it is not major (&quot;not 5W or a major claim&quot;), i leave a note i did not check it and publish anyway. I do not ask to fix, wait 2 days for author to vanish etc etc.
:::::2. I oppose inline citations because of a few reasons.
:::::2a. if abc reports that police arrested someone, then the meanjngful source is what the police said. I do not care if the police statement was re reported by abc, bbc, foxnews, reuters, nytimes, or whoever. In news text i write who did what, not refering to inpine citation. 
:::::2b. Reader cares what happened not where to cites.
:::::2c. Takes time for author to add.
:::::2d. Takes no ease for reviewer as a reviewer cross checks against all sources anyway.
:::::Hope it helps. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 00:15, 8 August 2025 (UTC)

== Note on source and reviewer roles ==

I want to follow up on something from the recent review discussion for the [[Interview with the president of the Fusion, answering common questions: Australia needs to break through|Wolfendale interview]]. At one point, you told me not to request a source for the statement that the party is “emerging.” Even if the party is new, calling it “emerging” is not a purely factual description. It’s an evaluative term that implies both growth and increasing relevance. That’s an interpretation, and in wikivoice it would be presented as fact, which risks crossing into analysis. Per [[WN:CS]], any such statement needs either a reliable source or clear attribution.

As a contributor to that article, you were involved in its development, so there’s a conflict of interest in directing another reviewer on how to apply sourcing requirements. I also want to be clear that I do not view you, or any other individual reviewer, as having reviewer authority over others. Reviewers work independently, and no one reviewer can waive core policy requirements for another.

I understand you were aiming to move the article forward, but phrases like “don’t request a source” can be read as pressure to lower standards, which risks setting a precedent that undermines fairness and consistency in the review process. My concern here is about process integrity, not intent.[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 14:10, 11 August 2025 (UTC)

:If it is not neutral, then do not request source. Delete it or request it to be changed to neutral. Requesting source is confusing and does not get your point across. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 20:45, 11 August 2025 (UTC)
: I marked “emerging” as unsourced because [[WN:CS]] requires every statement in wikivoice to be sourced or clearly attributed. In this case, it’s both an evaluative term and unsupported by a source, making it a verification issue first and a neutrality issue as a result. Flagging it as opposed to deleting it allows another contributor to either provide a source or rephrase it, and it keeps me uninvolved as a reviewer.
: I could delete it, but the article would still be unpublishable. Flagging it instead gives another contributor, such as yourself, the opportunity to correct the underlying problem if they wish to keep the statement.
: It looks like we'll have to agree to disagree on approach here. But I think we can both agree that applying core policies consistently is important for maintaining review standards.[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 23:31, 11 August 2025 (UTC)
::I do not understand you. There are two very important aspect there that will affect how Wikinews will work in the future.
::* The way you define &quot;emerging&quot; with the bit about increasing relevance looks subjective to me. (Not your subjective definitoj, but putting the word in a news story makes it subjective or biased or promotional). Marking it with source required does not convey the full meaning of the request. It is why instead of relying on an inline tag it is better to leave a more specific note on the talk page.
::* it is a detail and not a part of 5W. In the interest of fast publishing, it may be removed, and a note added in the review comments stating why it was removed.
::If you disagree with any of the two above points, please elaborate and do not end the conversation, as I am happy to clarify why I wrote it and address any counter argument. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 23:57, 11 August 2025 (UTC)
::: It seems your framing of the discussion only allowed for two outcomes: you clarifying your position or offering a new counterargument. A third possibility is that you might understand and agree with my perspective.
::: As I understand your position: if something is non-neutral, unsourced, or both, it should be deleted if possible to allow faster publication. If deletion isn’t possible, a clear, concise explanation should be posted on the talk page. Finally, statements not addressing the 5Ws are not critical and if they violate policy, they can be removed to allow faster publication. 
::: My response:
::: 
:::* The article has no sources.
:::* I raised the issue of neutrality immediately (see [[Special:GoToComment/c-Michael.C.Wright-20250712130200-Almost_ready_for_review|here]]), though not for every specific case since I was not performing a review. Without any sources, there is nothing I can verify. It’s entirely possible one of the unlisted sources described Fusion as “emerging,” and once sources are listed, that problem could be resolved.
:::* No full review has been performed. The article is still not ready for one, as '''no sources are listed'''. I feel like that fact is not getting through. 
:::* I’ve already said I could delete the term. I could delete everything except the Q&amp;A. But doing so would not make the article publishable. There is not a single listed source or any OR notes.
::: 
::: [[WN:CS]]: &quot;[E]very piece of information in a Wikinews article must be referenced...&quot;&lt;br&gt;[[WN:NPOV]]: &quot;[W]e do not report analyses unless they are explicitly attributed to a specific, qualified party or individual...&quot;
::: To put it as simply and concisely as possible (and throwing out all nuance):
::: Verification is a prerequisite for neutrality.[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 11:41, 12 August 2025 (UTC)
::@[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] @[[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] I don't know why this article is arguing about all this now. Even if Wikinews reporters don't have the right to use the word &quot;emerging,&quot; what's the problem? You two are both capable of writing better introductions. Could one of you please revise it and come up with a new one? It really doesn't matter. As for the sources of editer's notes, I've already listed them. (The differences in your reviewing and editing philosophies can be gradually discussed and reconciled later.) 
::It's perfectly fine to call this a metamodern party. The official party has used the term as well(see https://www.reddit.com/r/FusionPartyAus/comments/1d7uia4/lightning_talk_fusion_is_a_metamodern_political/). But if you consider it non-neutral, that's fine too.~ [[User:Sheminghui.WU|Sheminghui.WU]] ([[User talk:Sheminghui.WU|talk]]) 09:19, 12 August 2025 (UTC)
:::Yes, I can revise it and i can give to MCW for review. I needed to express my confusion with the misuse of the &quot;unsourced&quot; tag, as 1. it is pretty bad at explaining the issue and  2. I would only use it for 5W. Otherwise cut it out and leave a comment as part of review. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 09:45, 12 August 2025 (UTC)
::::Thank you. That's perfect, then let's discuss this gradually. ~ [[User:Sheminghui.WU|Sheminghui.WU]] ([[User talk:Sheminghui.WU|talk]]) 10:31, 12 August 2025 (UTC)
::: &gt; ''You two are both capable of writing better introductions. Could one of you please revise it and come up with a new one?''
::: I could and if I did, I would also have to add a source. Doing so would disqualify me as a reviewer based on our [[WN:REV|reviewing policy]], which states &quot;all articles must be reviewed by a user who was uninvolved in the development of the article.&quot;
::: The last time a reviewer other than Gryllida or myself published an article was June. If we both were to disqualify ourselves by helping to develop the article, there is less of a chance it would get a review by a third reviewer. 
::: At this point I think it should be [[WN:Gatwicking|Gatwicked]] to qualify for [[WN:Freshness]] and I don't know if that can be done while retaining the Q&amp;A. The interview was focused on the election held three months ago. We allow some leniency for [[WN:OR]] but three months is a stretch. 
::: I think we take our lessons learned and use them for the next article.[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 11:52, 12 August 2025 (UTC)
::::@[[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] So could you maybe improve the introduction and notes and please then have Mr. Michael C. Wright review it? ~ [[User:Sheminghui.WU|Sheminghui.WU]] ([[User talk:Sheminghui.WU|talk]]) 02:35, 13 August 2025 (UTC)
:::::I've add the sources. ~ [[User:Sheminghui.WU|Sheminghui.WU]] ([[User talk:Sheminghui.WU|talk]]) 02:36, 13 August 2025 (UTC)

== Email ==

Please check your email. Having problems signing in at Wikinewsie.--[[User:Bddpaux|Bddpaux]] ([[User talk:Bddpaux|talk]]) 15:15, 13 August 2025 (UTC)

== Article Russian propagandist Sergey Markov designated as &quot;foreign agent&quot; by Russian Justice Ministry ==

Could you please check it and give any suggestions? I'd like it to be published as early as possible. [[User:BilboBeggins|BilboBeggins]] ([[User talk:BilboBeggins|talk]]) 10:38, 23 August 2025 (UTC)

== Chi-knees busting only 2 ==

Chi-knees busting only 2 needs blocking vandalism only account @[[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 20:38, 30 August 2025 (UTC)

== Thank you! ==

Thank you for reviewing the article! 
I have another article for review.
I see there are many articles for review now.
How to become a reviewer? [[User:BilboBeggins|BilboBeggins]] ([[User talk:BilboBeggins|talk]]) 16:32, 6 September 2025 (UTC)

== Successful request for permissions ==

Hi Gryllida,  

Following up on the [[m:Steward requests/Permissions#Michael.C.Wright@en.wikinews|discussion at Meta]] regarding my [https://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikinews:Requests_for_permissions/Administrator/Michael.C.Wright administrator request]:  

The request has been open for over five weeks and has received sufficient support — including your own. Per the stewards’ response, they’ve asked that local bureaucrats handle it rather than stewards since en.WN still has active 'crats. 

With very few active administrators, it has become challenging to keep up with essential maintenance and review tasks, so resolving this would be helpful for the project.

Would you be willing to close the discussion and assign the permissions?[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 14:45, 8 September 2025 (UTC)

:if it has not been done already, i will do it within next 12 hours thanks [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 05:44, 10 September 2025 (UTC)
:Permission granted. Thanks! [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 19:06, 10 September 2025 (UTC)
== Just hoping your ok ==

Can you speak, @[[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]]

I know you're around somewhere because you said your on the web somewhere sometimes we miss you. [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 20:50, 7 October 2025 (UTC)

:Welcome back, good to see you around. Sorry for bothering you again. @[[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 21:12, 8 October 2025 (UTC)
::Hi BigKrow, I remarked on my (un)availability in one of my messages in the previous section. Thank you for stopping by and saying hello. Hi. :-) Regards, [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 09:37, 9 October 2025 (UTC)
== no reviewers? ==

I was part of the small meeting we had where Wiki NYC was discussing helping Wikinews and I think you sauid to reach out with any questions that come up. I have had the past week to take an interest. I have contributed a few articles, submitted for review, but no one has done anything for most of them, and now someone has marked one of them as &quot;stale&quot;, as well as some other articles, one it seems waiting a full week for review. Is this the expected way for things to go here, where people submit articles, and through no fault of their own and with no real indication as to why they are ignored and then deleted? [[User:Tduk|Tduk]] ([[User talk:Tduk|talk]]) 18:06, 6 October 2025 (UTC)

:I have been following Tduk's submissions from a distance, despite my inactivity. His submissions are timely, but it's not appropriate to mark these as becoming stale solely because no reviewer has been able to review in a timely manner. The last article was published a week ago, and I don't know how we can get out of this hole. Wikinews lost me as a contributor because of how long it took for my own work to be reviewed. The bar should be to review articles in under 24h if this project wants to continue living up to its dream. [[User:SWinxy|SWinxy]] ([[User talk:SWinxy|talk]]) 18:34, 6 October 2025 (UTC)
::I'll also add that it's not just my articles that this is happening to, other contributors' content is also affected. All of the marking as 'stale' seems to be by one user so I don't really know if it's representative which is part of why I'm asking about it. [[User:Tduk|Tduk]] ([[User talk:Tduk|talk]]) 18:37, 6 October 2025 (UTC)
:::I'm tagging them as stale because they are I'll stop if you want @[[User:Tduk|Tduk]] @[[User:SWinxy|SWinxy]] @[[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 18:40, 6 October 2025 (UTC)
::::Yeah, I don't think you should be changing those tags. [[User:SWinxy|SWinxy]] ([[User talk:SWinxy|talk]]) 19:34, 6 October 2025 (UTC)
:::::Ok @[[User:SWinxy|SWinxy]] [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 20:15, 6 October 2025 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]], can you explain why you just marked a great number of articles stale, despite @[[User:SWinxy|SWinxy]] asking you not to (because all of those articles have been awaiting review for over a week), and you agreeing not to? You also marked [[Dancer Yoshiko Chuma performs at the Children’s Magical Garden in New York City]] stale for the 4th time[https://en.wikinews.org/w/index.php?title=Dancer_Yoshiko_Chuma_performs_at_the_Children%E2%80%99s_Magical_Garden_in_New_York_City&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=4880009] [https://en.wikinews.org/w/index.php?title=Dancer_Yoshiko_Chuma_performs_at_the_Children%E2%80%99s_Magical_Garden_in_New_York_City&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=4881229 ][https://en.wikinews.org/w/index.php?title=Dancer_Yoshiko_Chuma_performs_at_the_Children%E2%80%99s_Magical_Garden_in_New_York_City&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=4881664]. [https://en.wikinews.org/w/index.php?title=Dancer_Yoshiko_Chuma_performs_at_the_Children%E2%80%99s_Magical_Garden_in_New_York_City&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=4884083] , despite @[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] explicitly asking you to stop doing that[https://en.wikinews.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:BigKrow&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=4881736]. Did something happen that we are all unaware of? [[User:Tduk|Tduk]] ([[User talk:Tduk|talk]]) 02:41, 9 October 2025 (UTC)
:::::::@[[User:Tduk|Tduk]], they are mostly very stale. I reverted my edit. [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 03:01, 9 October 2025 (UTC)
:::::::@[[User:Tduk|Tduk]], you must know I have very bad OCD also among other illnesses. [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 03:03, 9 October 2025 (UTC)
::::::::Hi @[[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] i suggest you have a peer who helps you with wiki edits. It is time consuming to check everything you wrote or edited. Can you find a friend (IRL or on wiki) who can do this for you, please? [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 09:34, 9 October 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::@[[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]], no I don't want anyone to help me except wikinewises thanks. [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 12:03, 9 October 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::@[[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]], I want to continue to write I don't want to lose my privileges, thank you. [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 12:07, 9 October 2025 (UTC)
:::::::@[[User:Tduk|Tduk]], are you happy now? Sorry for taking up your space @[[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]], sorry again @[[User:SWinxy|SWinxy]] [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 03:12, 9 October 2025 (UTC)
::::::: “Facts don’t cease to be facts, but news ceases to be news.”
::::::: Our mission is to publish '''news'''. Per [[WN:Fresh]], news has a shelf life of five to seven days, with reasonable exceptions for original reporting.
::::::: That guideline makes no mention of reviewer activity extending an article’s freshness.
::::::: The core issue is clear: we must either increase the number of active, ''effective'' reviewers or reform, or even remove the review process.
::::::: Unfortunately, there remains strong resistance to meaningful change, even as the project faces the risk of closure if we continue operating as we have.[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 14:57, 9 October 2025 (UTC)
::::::::It is, quite frankly, ridiculous to expect people to contribute and penalize them for something beyond their control. A few of us came here to help in any way we could, but seeing that the time of people hoping to help is being wasted with no way to change that, or no consideration to what it looks like to the outside world is disheartening - and you have already lost a few valuable contributors because of this. If you have any interest in saving this project, I think right now is the time to do it. Also, I refer you to {{W|Wikipedia:Ignore all rules}} and am a bit confused that your defense, as an administrator, is that your hands are tied and that you will continue to endorsing throwing away peoples' contributions because of a flawed system. Where is &quot;resistance strong to meaningful change&quot;? I'm not seeing any activity at all here, let alone anyone who can resist. [[User:Tduk|Tduk]] ([[User talk:Tduk|talk]]) 16:12, 9 October 2025 (UTC)

{{outdent|7}} {{tq|It is, quite frankly, ridiculous to expect people to contribute and penalize them for something beyond their control.}} This is a [[w:Straw man|straw man]] argument. I’ve been vocal about my position on [[User:Michael.C.Wright/sandbox/The problem|The problem]], and to be clear, I don’t ''expect'' anyone to contribute, nor do I believe anyone should be &quot;penalized&quot; for circumstances beyond their control.

The issue isn’t individual behavior; it’s structural. When articles go stale because no reviewer is available, that isn’t punishment. It’s the inevitable result of our [[WN:Fresh|freshness]] &lt;s&gt;policy&lt;/s&gt; guideline, which exists to ensure we publish ''news'' while it’s still ''news.'' Ignoring that principle would undermine the mission itself.

That said, I share your frustration. No one wants to see contributors’ work lost to process failures. I too have had many articles deleted due to low reviewer activity. As someone interested in reviewing, it’s worth noting that we do have [[WN:IAR|Ignore all rules]], and I have explicitly invoked it, for example, [https://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Talk:Wikinews_interviews_Australian_Fusion_Party_President_Drew_Wolfendale#Review_of_revision_4877835_%5BPassed%5D here], when doing so clearly improved the project. But those cases should remain exceptional and serve to highlight where policy and workflow need reform, not to justify routine circumvention.

Our task isn’t to abandon the rules; it’s to fix the system so contributors’ work can succeed within a process that’s flexible, fair, and true to our mission. To that end, I’d encourage you to look at the various proposals, both current and archived, at [[Wikinews:Water cooler/proposals]]. If you feel strongly about any of them, please weigh in, or propose new ideas that might help us move forward. The inactivity you see now is not indicative of what the [[Wikinews:2025 Boost publication rate/Monthly top article/Updates|beginning of this year looked like]]. [[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 17:02, 9 October 2025 (UTC);edited 17:06, 9 October 2025 (UTC)
::I'm glad we mostly agree then; you seemed to be deferring to policy rather than wanting to change it. I was recruited here to help stop this site from going away, and I seem to be here at a particularly bad time. I will go to the water cooler as you suggest - but also I'd like to point out that throwing away a contributors efforts because of mismanagement is absolutely penalizing them, and basically stealing their time and goodwill. It is a bad move and it is how you lose (and are losing) contributors. [[User:Tduk|Tduk]] ([[User talk:Tduk|talk]]) 17:47, 9 October 2025 (UTC)
:::I've put some more thought into it, and I realized that the moment you first lose a valid contribution from a willing editor due to poor management, that is the time that should spur action and everyone involved should want to avoid it ever happening again at all costs. The fact that it's being allowed to happen repeatedly (as I am led to believe) and is considered and acceptable loss makes no sense to me; where can I look to see the previous attempts to fix this problem that failed? [[User:Tduk|Tduk]] ([[User talk:Tduk|talk]]) 19:16, 9 October 2025 (UTC)
::::[[User:Lofi_Gurl/my_stale_stuff|Here]] is a compilation of articles I have written over the last few months that have not been published because they went stale waiting for review. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 20:04, 9 October 2025 (UTC)
:::::@[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] and @[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] I started a thread at [[Wikinews talk:Newsworthiness]] if you would like to participate. [[User:Tduk|Tduk]] ([[User talk:Tduk|talk]]) 14:36, 10 October 2025 (UTC)

:Hi @[[User:Tduk|Tduk]], there are a few reviewers. There are a few issues, from my view here are those that I find the most pressing:
:# As reviewing is time consuming I cannot do it every day. (Last 10 days I was busy with moving house and was sleeping about 4 hours a night. I didn't check my talk page or the wiki during these 10 days.) 
:# We have several reviewers who are lacking the sense of urgency. It was long agreed that if a part of an article was questionable and is not essential then it can be removed and then re-added within 24 hours (with changes implemented as requested) after it was published. Some reviewers continue to make gnome edits and delay publishing by requesting these changes to be made.
:# Burn out is a part of this issue. Many reviewers tried to be consistently available every day and burned out. This issue also applies to article authors. No system or platform exists now that could encourage users to become available, for example, 3 days a fortnight to commit to contributing to one news article during that time to progress it to completion.
:# Authors often lack the sense of urgency. There is no platform that pings a user properly. Wiki 'notifications' don't send a notification box on the screen when the tab is open, not to mention when it is closed. Most users have smartphones. Android app for Wikinews could help to resolve this. There is a Telegram group and a discord group. In the telegram group there is a bot that notifies when new drafts are made and when they are submitted for review. This is helpful to me personally. Asked42 is there. As far as I know other reviewers are not.
:# Leadership issues were raised at the water cooler. Recruitment of new authors and reviewers and developers is part of that role. Please check the water cooler section for this. This role is currently unfilled.
:# Development is needed and the backlog is visible at https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/project/board/8111/
:Hope it helps. Please let me know if you have any questions or suggestions. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 09:27, 9 October 2025 (UTC)
::This all makes sense, and that's why we are here to try to help, to eventually become reviewers. It's all too much work for the number of people here right now. I think @[[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] mass-tagging of articles waiting for review for a full week as stale made many nervous; could you commment on that? What we need is a clear comment from someone that articles will not be lost because no one is around to review them at all. Also, I seem to be unable to find the watercooler link you mentioned.  [[User:Tduk|Tduk]] ([[User talk:Tduk|talk]]) 12:45, 9 October 2025 (UTC)
:::Sorry, All I can say. @[[User:Tduk|Tduk]] [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 18:41, 9 October 2025 (UTC)
:::I'd like to know why too. I created [[Wikinews:ReviewLog]] i suggest adding notes about an article at time of 'publishing' or 'deleting' it. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 20:06, 9 October 2025 (UTC)
::::(Revised [[MediaWiki:Confirmdeletetext]] to mention this.) [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 20:08, 9 October 2025 (UTC)
:::I too would like to know why articles were getting tagged as stale, especially when some that I saw in fact were not stale. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 20:56, 9 October 2025 (UTC)
::::I just wish you all would get off my back. What is done is done. @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 20:58, 9 October 2025 (UTC)
:::::@[[User:Tduk|Tduk]] [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 21:11, 9 October 2025 (UTC)
:::::I think we’re really dealing with two separate but related problems here. The first is that contributors are understandably frustrated that articles aren’t being reviewed quickly enough and are going stale before they can be published. The second is a concern that some articles may have been marked as stale in error.

:::::On the first point: if the community feels the [[WN:Freshness]] guideline is no longer workable as written, then the next step is to propose specific changes to it. That discussion belongs on the guideline’s talk page or at [[Wikinews:Water cooler/proposals]], where we can look at options, whether that’s adjusting the timeframe, creating exceptions, or rethinking how we define “fresh.”

:::::On the second point: to address concerns about articles being incorrectly tagged, it would help if people could provide concrete examples. That’s not to assign blame, but to understand where the process may be breaking down so we can improve it. [[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 21:16, 9 October 2025 (UTC)
::::::Re: problem 1, I will trust you to create the discussion in what you think is the appropriate venue (among those listed above) and I will join in.
::::::Re: problem 2, I did post a few links above of a very specific re-marking of stale against your personal request. Regarding the others, I'm not actually sure what is considered appropriate marking of staleness - which is what brought me here in the first place. [[User:Tduk|Tduk]] ([[User talk:Tduk|talk]]) 21:29, 9 October 2025 (UTC)
::::::: &gt; ''I will trust you to create the discussion in what you think is the appropriate venue (among those listed above) and I will join in.''&lt;br&gt;It’s generally best for the person who feels most strongly about a change to open the discussion. That way they can frame the problem and desired outcome clearly from the outset. For my part, I believe our [[WN:Freshness]] guideline remains adequate as written.
::::::: That said, I think our immediate priority should be a deeper examination of how [[WN:Archive]] and [[Wikinews:Reviewing articles]] interact, as I originally proposed here: [[Wikinews:Water cooler/proposals#Proposed next steps following SPTF recommendations]]. That proposal was later split by another contributor into three separate ones and not characterized as originally intended by me, an example of the kind of procedural friction I mentioned earlier.
::::::: I still believe we can, and must, work on multiple fronts at once. A thorough review of archiving and reviewing policy is overdue. But if the community feels that updating [[WN:Fresh]] is the more urgent task, then someone should start that conversation, and I will participate actively in it.[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 21:57, 9 October 2025 (UTC)
::::::::&quot;and not characterized as originally intended by me, an example of the kind of procedural friction I mentioned earlier&quot; was not on purpose, you are welcome to reword the three pieces I put into the discussion if any of them was not written properly. I only wanted to split the discussion, but not to mis characterize it. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 23:40, 9 October 2025 (UTC)

:Noting that today morning about 16 hours ago I had a look at [[Newsroom]] and it has a list of pages submitted for review. They are listed without indication of the event date for them. So I cannot even pick which one is the freshest or the stalest, to review it. This issue was here for years. I proposed an improvement for it, which is discussed [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T397853 here]; if someone has a way to progress it, it would be appreciated. :-) [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 09:36, 9 October 2025 (UTC)

=== Status Oct 10 ===
i did manually, see [https://en.wikinews.org/w/index.php?title=User:Gryllida/Newsroom&amp;oldid=4884856 here], apparently nothing fresh now except one festival story, i welcome everyone to jump onto it and refresh it to report on festival itself and/or clarify the 'controversy' dates. everything else is over 5 days old. apart from the festival story the site is empty, no content was added. please ping me if that changes. thanks! [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 00:02, 10 October 2025 (UTC)

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:[[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]], [[User:Gryllida|RockerballAustralia]], [[User:Gryllida|Michael.C.Wright]], [[User:Gryllida|Bddpaux]], [[User:JJLiu112|JJLiu112]]
:1. View the link 'here' provided above and leave a comment if you would like to salvage a story
:2. Revise the festival controversy story as per the comment linked on its talk page.
:Thanks [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 00:04, 10 October 2025 (UTC)
== You're opinion on this ==

https://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Severe_Weather_Hits_South_Island

I used 100% AI. Probably will be deleted then, ill try to write in my own words next time!!! Thanks @[[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 00:09, 21 October 2025 (UTC)

:sorry, away from reviewing till mid November or so,can do earlier but then will risk a mental issue, please query at [[WN:Water cooler]], thanks. i will ask a friend to have a look [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 03:38, 21 October 2025 (UTC)
::Get better soon @[[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 11:18, 21 October 2025 (UTC)
== Best way to handle?? ==

At [[Wikinews:Admin action alerts/Requests]], there is an Admin. action request pertaining to &quot;Sexy video clips....&quot; article. The top most source article has totally vanished and the bottom two are in Dutch. Not sure about the best course of action there.--[[User:Bddpaux|Bddpaux]] ([[User talk:Bddpaux|talk]]) 21:01, 3 November 2025 (UTC)

:Was this already deleted? [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 06:25, 17 November 2025 (UTC)

== Award ==

Not sure how, but we missed awarding this...
{|style=&quot;border: 8px solid gray; background-color: #fdff7;&quot;
|rowspan=&quot;2&quot; valign=&quot;middle&quot; | [[Image:Pencil tip closeup 2.JPG|160px]]
|rowspan=&quot;2&quot; |
|style=&quot;font-size: x-large; padding: 2; vertical-align: middle; height: .4em;&quot; | '''The Order of the Humble Pencil'''
&lt;br&gt; For completing ''5 edits''.
|-
|style=&quot;vertical-align: top; border-top: 1px solid gray;&quot; | Great work! Keep it up!--[[User:Bddpaux|Bddpaux]] ([[User talk:Bddpaux|talk]]) 20:07, 14 November 2025 (UTC)
|}

:Thanks @[[User:Bddpaux|Bddpaux]], we both are in the Order now. :-) Regards, -- [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 06:24, 17 November 2025 (UTC)
== New Taglet?? ==

Thanks -- I think I did it correctly. What is supposed to look/act different now?--[[User:Bddpaux|Bddpaux]] ([[User talk:Bddpaux|talk]]) 15:23, 17 November 2025 (UTC)

:@[[User:Bddpaux|Bddpaux]]: Taglet is not installed. Do you want me to install it for you? -- [[User:Asked42|Asked42]] ([[User talk:Asked42|talk]]) 16:14, 17 November 2025 (UTC)
:Yes. I thought I followed the steps properly. Apparently, I didn't.--[[User:Bddpaux|Bddpaux]] ([[User talk:Bddpaux|talk]]) 16:16, 17 November 2025 (UTC)
::{{Done}}. Now visit [[Special:TagletReport|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#3366CC;&quot;&gt;Special:TagletReport&lt;/span&gt;]]. Wait a few seconds for it to load, and you will see a formatted table report. For information about what this report is and how to tag, see the [[User:Asked42/Taglet|documentation]]. Thanks. -- [[User:Asked42|Asked42]] ([[User talk:Asked42|talk]]) 16:22, 17 November 2025 (UTC)
== Veterans Day article ==

Meant to do better/earlier work on this. If it doesn't pass, no big deal. I've been busy.--[[User:Bddpaux|Bddpaux]] ([[User talk:Bddpaux|talk]]) 15:25, 17 November 2025 (UTC)

:Please leave a note when done, i will have a look. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 10:00, 18 November 2025 (UTC)

== QuasselDroid ==

Can you tell me more about that? And: I love Thunderbird!!--[[User:Bddpaux|Bddpaux]] ([[User talk:Bddpaux|talk]]) 15:55, 17 November 2025 (UTC)

:Hi @[[User:Bddpaux|Bddpaux]], [[:w:Quassel IRC]], i run it on my server and am happy to make you an account. I will send you an email with login info. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 09:59, 18 November 2025 (UTC)
:Are you on discord or telegram or viber or matrix by any chance? [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 10:01, 18 November 2025 (UTC)
== [[Current New York Police Department commissioner agrees to stay on for Mamdani's mayoralty]] ==

I saw that this article got published, but it did not get placed in one of the five lead slots on the main page. Was that intentional or has it just not been done yet? At this time, with less than one article being published per day, I think every article that gets published should appear among the lead slots. --[[User:Metropolitan90|Metropolitan90]] ([[User talk:Metropolitan90|talk]]) 13:57, 20 November 2025 (UTC)

:Was done with a delay. Could you please update the image there? [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 11:34, 21 November 2025 (UTC)
::Image updated. [[File:Smiley.svg|24px]] [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 02:59, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
== IRC meetup ==

I will check my email about the QuasselDroid thing...... On Sunday, I am 90% sure I will not be able to be a part of an IRC meetup, though. It is Thanksgiving week in the US plus I have loads of work stuff going on. I very much think a meetup is a good idea -- I am just too swamped at the moment. Sorry.--[[User:Bddpaux|Bddpaux]] ([[User talk:Bddpaux|talk]]) 15:29, 24 November 2025 (UTC)

:Can do it the next Sunday after if you like? [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 10:11, 25 November 2025 (UTC)
== A new version of EzPR ==

Hi, a new version of the Easy Peer Review script has been prepared. Built on the legacy of the current version, it includes more features and has a more modern look and design. If you are interested, you can try it out and let me know what you think [[User talk:Asked42/EPR (new version)|on this talk page]]. If you have any suggestions, please feel free to share them as well.

This is currently an initial testing version. After installing the script, you can test it on any of your user sandbox pages (make sure the page contains the {{tl|review}} template). You may need to set up your sandbox to look like a draft article. If you don't want to do that extra work, you can instead try it on [[User:Asked42/sandbox2|my sandbox page]] to see how the script behaves in different situations, such as pass review, fail review, exception review, etc.

I haven't prepared any documentation pages yet since it's still too early and more modifications may be needed. So you'll have to follow your intuition while testing it (I will try to prepare some basic documentation soon). Hopefully this won't be too difficult, as I have tried to keep the design simple. Still if you need help or don't understand something feel free to ask me.

To install it, copy the code and add it to [{{fullurl:Special:MyPage/common.js|action=edit}} your common.js page]. You will then see a &quot;Review (EPR v2)&quot; option in your p-tb (or your tools menu) on any user-namespace page that contains the review template. After clicking the option a form should appear on the article.

&lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;wikitext&quot; copy&gt;
{{subst:lusc|1=User:Asked42/EPRv2.js}}
&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt;

--[[User:Asked42|Asked42]] ([[User talk:Asked42|talk]]) 14:46, 19 November 2025 (UTC)

:You can find some information about some of the features at [[User:Asked42/EPR (new version)]]. --[[User:Asked42|Asked42]] ([[User talk:Asked42|talk]]) 14:47, 19 November 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks. I will check it out. I got feedback from Wikipedia that it is better not to have markup inside of a page because then the user may have issues with how to remove it to re-submit for review. I think it is best to only do this on the talk page. I will try it out and will let you know. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 10:01, 20 November 2025 (UTC)
:Thanks. It would be good to have documentaton. And also I think it would be good to have software in Wikinews namespace (or whatever location gadgets are in) rather than user space unless there is a specific issue with doing that. Please keep me updated. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 09:59, 20 November 2025 (UTC)
::More clarification on what I wrote, there are 'Gadgets', they are easy to enable in Special:Preferences page.  I think tools like this which are open for beta testing could just be added there as it is easy to find the script there and get started using it without manually copy pasting things. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 10:02, 20 November 2025 (UTC)
:I added it to my common.js and now I am not seeing any UI. Even my existing 'Review' link disappeared. (I am using Timeless skin.) [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 10:16, 20 November 2025 (UTC)
::No it did not disappear but I don't see where the new one appeared...
::Regarding new template wordings and changes, in the 'review' template, I did not like that 'Pre-Review' became a thing now, it is more important to jump in and edit, or maybe 'go through a checklist', pick a verb that emphasizes that this is something that the user (including original author) is encouraged to do before submitting for review. I am not sure how to phrase this more clearly. I will leave a note if I come up with a more specific description. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 10:19, 20 November 2025 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]]: Let me answer these one by one:
:::# &quot;I got feedback from Wikipedia that it is better not to have markup inside a page because users may have issues removing it before re-submitting for review.&quot; - The markup feature is completely optional for reviewers. They can turn it off if they don't want to use it and no markup will be added. Also, the markup related part is only a very small portion of the script.
:::# About making it a gadget: Yes, we can turn it into a gadget, but since this is an initial version, it's better for users to test it first, let us refine the code, and then implement it as a gadget once a final, stable version is ready. I don't think it is good practice to add beta versions of scripts directly as gadgets.
:::# How to test it: You can try the script on [[User:Asked42/sandbox2]] or on any of your own sandbox pages (just make sure they include the review template). On those sandbox pages, you will find an option called &quot;Review (EPRv2)&quot; in your &quot;Page tools&quot; menu (left sidebar). 
:::## This will not affect the current EzPR gadget in any way.
:::## The script is currently allowed only in the user namespace for testing. Once ready, it will be enabled for use on articles.
:::#About Pre-review: I have nothing to add regarding pre-review. Just to clarify: pre-review is not part of the new version of Easy Peer Review. It is handled by a different script. The pre review process already existed on Wikinews long before I joined; I only created a form-based interface to make pre review easier.
:::-- [[User:Asked42|Asked42]] ([[User talk:Asked42|talk]]) 10:51, 20 November 2025 (UTC)
::::@[[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]], If you have any other questions about the script or maybe criticisms, feel free to share them. I will try to put together proper documentation as soon as I can. But as I mentioned earlier, I believe the interface of the reviewing form isn't too complicated (though that may feel different from person to person). -- [[User:Asked42|Asked42]] ([[User talk:Asked42|talk]]) 10:57, 20 November 2025 (UTC)
::::Ohh ok only in userspace. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 11:37, 21 November 2025 (UTC)
::::I opened https://en.wikinews.org/wiki/User:Asked42/sandbox2 I don't see the new review button. [[File:Sad-face.png|24px]] [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 02:57, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
:::::apologies for the issues. It should be available in the &quot;Page tools&quot; sidebar when using the Timeless skin. Could you please check again? Scroll down the left sidebar, and under &quot;Page tools&quot; you should see the option &quot;Review (EPRv2)&quot;. I hope it works now! -- [[User:Asked42|Asked42]] ([[User talk:Asked42|talk]]) 06:56, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
:Hi @[[User:Asked42|Asked42]] :-) I checked it out, I disagree with 'enter text from the article' and 'enter comment for this text'. It would be much easier if the tool interactively added these entries when user selected a text on the page. Copy pasting the text from article into a box is inefficient and time consuming. Will note more things later, [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 19:07, 25 November 2025 (UTC)
:Hi again @[[User:Asked42|Asked42]] :-)
:1. FYI I suggest '''more compact''' feedback in 'issue, reason, suggested fix' but in more compact format. Example
:# The article has grammar errors in paragraph one. They should be fixed.
:# The article names person X as John. This is incorrect. They are named Rob.
:# ...
:So for template I would put this
:----
:The article has several issues requiring revision. Starting from major issues, followed by minor issues, they are listed below.
:# (This part of report) has (this issue) This should be (describe requested fix here)
:# &amp;nbsp;&lt;!-- added this annoyance because the wiki wouldn't display empty bullet points--&gt;
:# &amp;nbsp;
:# &amp;nbsp;
:# &amp;nbsp;
:-----
:2. I would suggest making it possible for a reviewer to define their own templates in their user space. Like a button '+-' in the templates insert dialog. I know this kind of defeats the purpose but in my experience each reviewer has their own preferences about the way they phrase their feedback. Or some particular way to phrase things.
:3. Suggest the templates insert themselves on '''double click''' so I don't have to waste time clicking a template name and then clicking 'insert'.
:4. Suggest that when saving the review, the tool automatically highlights the users who previously contributed to the article, in the edit summary.
:It is still early in the morning so please excuse me if I missed something.
:Many thanks for this, it is amazing tool.
:Regards, [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 19:14, 25 November 2025 (UTC)
::For 2, if some of custom templates from a reviewer make sense, can be added to templates for all. Just clarifying this point; I do not expect it to be a pathway to endless differences. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 20:14, 25 November 2025 (UTC)
::@[[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]]: thank you for trying this out.
::# Regarding: &quot;''It would be much easier if the tool interactively added these entries when the user selected text on the page.''&quot;
::#: Implementing interactive text selection would require significantly more effort and additional lines of code, especially considering that the sentence-marking feature itself is still uncertain in terms of how useful or widely used it will be during reviews. At this stage, I think it may not be practical to invest heavily in building this interactive functionality without knowing whether sentence marking will be used frequently.
::#:It might be best to first observe whether multiple reviewers actually use the sentence-marking feature. If it proves useful, we can certainly consider adding interactive selection in a future update. Personally, I don't think it will be too inconvenient for reviewers to copy and paste specific text manually, usually there will only be a few sentences to mark, perhaps 4-5 at most. But I may be wrong, so let's see how the feature is adopted and then evaluate improvements.
::# Regarding the comment templates: the template you are referring to is [[Template:CommentTemplate/1]]. All comment templates should follow this format, such as [[Template:CommentTemplate/2]], [[Template:CommentTemplate/3]], and so on. If you would like to modify or create new ones, you are very welcome to do so. I'd greatly appreciate it if you create more comment template formats.
::# The idea of allowing users to define their own templates is interesting. I will consider how this could be added and integrated into the script.
::# For the fourth point: could you please give an example of such an edit summary? 
::--[[User:Asked42|Asked42]] ([[User talk:Asked42|talk]]) 20:40, 25 November 2025 (UTC)
== Wikinews future status ==

I really hope Wikinews stays alive! Is there anything else we can do to help? @[[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 20:51, 26 November 2025 (UTC)

:Stay tuned and find volunteers for helping different part of [[Wikinews:Migration]]. Also join: IRC, Telegram, Discord, any other place where contributors are discussing in real time. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 22:42, 26 November 2025 (UTC)
:@[[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] Furthermore, my friend, this is not the end. Many people, including myself, will continue our efforts and try negotiations. It's crucial that you continue to actively follow and participate in the discussions on Metawiki! Thank you. [[User:Sheminghui.WU|Sheminghui.WU]] ([[User talk:Sheminghui.WU|talk]]) 10:19, 27 November 2025 (UTC)
== A Barnstar for you! ==

[[File:Original_Barnstar.png]] Thank you, for all the diverse work you do, you are the backbone of our team. ~ [[User:Sheminghui.WU|Sheminghui.WU]] ([[User talk:Sheminghui.WU|talk]]) 10:30, 27 November 2025 (UTC)

:Thanks [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 08:19, 30 November 2025 (UTC)
== Your article submission for review (December 3) ==

{{Notify_review/notready|article=Earthquake and floods devastate Sumatra, Indonesia|author=Gryllida|reviewer=Michael.C.Wright}} -- [[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 18:02, 3 December 2025 (UTC)
== Your article submission for review (December 14) ==

{{Notify_review/passed|article=Battery explosion triggers fatal office fire in Jakarta’s Kemayoran district|author=Gryllida|reviewer=Michael.C.Wright|is_author=no}} -- [[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 00:40, 15 December 2025 (UTC)
== Your article submission for review (December 15) ==

{{Notify_review/passed|article=NBI seeks Interpol Red Notice for former lawmaker Zaldy Co|author=Gryllida|reviewer=Michael.C.Wright|is_author=no}} -- [[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 18:43, 15 December 2025 (UTC)
== Published: [[Kennedy Center gets renamed to Trump-Kennedy Center]] (December 26) ==

The article has been published. Congratulations.

The following edits were made by reviewer:

1) Article body written in past tense

2) External links moved to a section called 'External links'

3) Rearranged to specify the date in the first paragraph, see [[WN:IP|inverted pyramid]]

Please keep these comments in mind when writing or editing articles in the future.

The following notes were left by reviewer:

1) The previous review raised concern about bias in words such as 'many' in 'many commenters' or 'illegal in many ways', it was disappointing that this was not addressed at time of submitting for review.

2) Article was written on time and submitted on Dec22, which is not excellent for a Dec19 event, but is good. It is on the edge of being stale now, as is is already Dec25, and I am making the decision to pass.

3) Please write article about what happened, whether the rename was approved by authorities. Has there been any recent updates?

Please consider revising more thoroughly before re-submitting for review; writing up a story and submitting for review sooner and closer to the event date; and also consider writing a article about updates, if any updates were available, immediately after these updates occurred.

Many thanks. -- [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 20:47, 25 December 2025 (UTC)

== Merry Christmas ==

Hope you're having a good day! Thanks for everything you do. @[[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 23:24, 25 December 2025 (UTC)

:and have a good new year's! [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 23:26, 25 December 2025 (UTC)
::Hi [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]], thank you! Merry Christmas, and happy upcoming New Year,  to you and your family, also. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 23:28, 25 December 2025 (UTC)

== Reviews ==

Thanks for the constant help on published material! Well done! @[[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 00:04, 26 December 2025 (UTC)
== IP is flooding RC ==

@[[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 00:23, 29 December 2025 (UTC)

:~2025-42360-72 @[[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 00:32, 29 December 2025 (UTC)
::Please let me know if this is still an issue. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 04:34, 3 January 2026 (UTC)

== [[Domestic call in Rochester, New York leads to three police officers being shot]] ==

There was a problem with this article when it was published, and now it has been protected and thus can't be corrected without being unprotected. The shooter's name is given only as &quot;Davis&quot; with no first name. In fact, the cited sources don't even mention his last name, although I have found other sources such as https://www.fingerlakes1.com/2025/12/25/ag-probes-fatal-rochester-police-shooting/ which identify him by his full name Eric Davis. I have already commented to [[User:Michael.C.Wright]] and [[User:BigKrow]] about this problem. --[[User:Metropolitan90|Metropolitan90]] ([[User talk:Metropolitan90|talk]]) 15:30, 30 December 2025 (UTC)

:It is best to comment on article talk page then. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 04:58, 2 January 2026 (UTC)
::Hi @[[User:Metropolitan90|Metropolitan90]] the article has been retracted, the edit will show to others once someone sighted it. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 04:33, 3 January 2026 (UTC)

== Published: [[Keyboardist-guitarist of English rock band The Cure dies aged 65]] (January 3) ==

Event over 7 days old. 

Passing as exception in context of following factors
* nobody was around on holidays anyway (I am being lenient) 
* the article is well written 
* it is obituary about a person's whole life so it is still slightly newsy for a while

Please do not consider this as precedent for future articles.

Thanks -- [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 04:42, 3 January 2026 (UTC)
== United States capture Venezuelan president, Nicolás Maduro ==

Hello [[United States capture Venezuelan president, Nicolás Maduro]], I am working on a more neutral wording regarding the fact.--[[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-80852|&amp;#126;2026-80852]] ([[User talk:&amp;#126;2026-80852|talk]]) 21:53, 4 January 2026 (UTC)

:Thanks. Please remove NYT and any information from it as this paywalled source is not allowed. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 22:02, 4 January 2026 (UTC)
:: I already made the change, please check again--[[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-80852|&amp;#126;2026-80852]] ([[User talk:&amp;#126;2026-80852|talk]]) 22:16, 4 January 2026 (UTC)

== Published: [[United States capture Venezuelan president, Nicolás Maduro]] (January 5) ==

reviewer left comments:

1) as discussed at the talk page I have had to restore a previous revision which contains the propaganda from both sides (US and the local countries in southern America)

2) i had to add attribution/source 'US President said that ...' to first paragraph to clarify where info came from in case it was fake.

i recommend &lt;mark&gt;following ADDITONAL edits&lt;/mark&gt; please do them immediately:

1) merge with the other page to be done within next 12 hours please

2) comment about the president wife having also been captured as i believe this is also the case but headline and first paragraph do not quite mention this i believe

Please note the following admin points:

* The article is now published, and further changes will require approval from a reviewer. 
* Changes may only be made for up to 24 hours after publishing. After this time period only minor style/appearance/admin edits are allowed. Content changes will not be allowed after that time.
* After a few more days the article will be archived, and will no longer be editable except by sysops.

thanks -- [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 23:29, 4 January 2026 (UTC)
== Published: [[Kyiv street to be named for former Ukrainian parliament chairman Andriy Parubiy, killed in Lviv]] (January 6) ==

Published with comment

1) Delightful news, thank you for writing about it. I just added street name and 'and on Facebook' in the first paragraph; if this is incorrect, please let me know now. Thank you. -- [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 21:27, 5 January 2026 (UTC)
== Published: [[&quot;I came to be the manager ... not the coach&quot;: Manchester United fire head coach Ruben Amorim]] (January 6) ==

Published. I needed to make a few edits.

1) restructured paragraphs for [[WN:IP|inverted pyramid]]

2) reluctantly added dates, ideally I should not be involved in editing content. please check that they are correct. if they are incorrect, please correct them now.

3) added [[WN:Attribution|attribution]] to a few points which were just without any context

4) removed a sentence which was [[WN:NPOV|a speculation]]

5) renamed the page to have headline in active voice ([[WN:SG]] or [[WN:CG]] mentions this)

Please '''read the article carefully, and, if something is incorrect, edit it now'''. Changes may be made for up to 24 hours after publishing, after which the article will be archived. -- [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 09:27, 6 January 2026 (UTC)
== Published: [[Grateful Dead bassist Bob Weir dies, aged 78]] (January 16) ==

i spelled out group name assuming meant to be 'the Grateful Dead' where says 'the Dead': please correct this now if this is not correct. thanks. -- [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 17:58, 15 January 2026 (UTC)
== Revision requested: [[Boy retrieves Nintendo Switch locked away in gun safe, and shoots his father]] (January 19) ==

{{Notify_review/notready|article=Boy retrieves Nintendo Switch locked away in gun safe, and shoots his father|author=Gryllida|reviewer=Michael.C.Wright|is_author=no}} -- [[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 14:53, 19 January 2026 (UTC)
== Published: [[Boy retrieves Nintendo Switch locked away in gun safe, and shoots his father]] (January 20) ==

{{Notify_review/passed|article=Boy retrieves Nintendo Switch locked away in gun safe, and shoots his father|author=Gryllida|reviewer=Michael.C.Wright|is_author=no}} -- [[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 18:09, 20 January 2026 (UTC)
== [[User:WeatherWriter]] ==

Note that the same content is on his user page which you forgot to delete. [[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-34086-9|&amp;#126;2026-34086-9]] ([[User talk:&amp;#126;2026-34086-9|talk]]) 17:01, 16 January 2026 (UTC)

:Update? [[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-40758-8|&amp;#126;2026-40758-8]] ([[User talk:&amp;#126;2026-40758-8|talk]]) 14:02, 19 January 2026 (UTC)
::Update? [[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-40758-8|&amp;#126;2026-40758-8]] ([[User talk:&amp;#126;2026-40758-8|talk]]) 20:42, 23 January 2026 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 21:07, 23 January 2026 (UTC)
::::fixed [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 00:38, 24 January 2026 (UTC)
== Help requested with real time comms ==

Hi @[[User:Asked42|Asked42]]

Could you please check the below request and help, or find someone else who can help.

There is an admin and review backlog. Real time comms with 2-3 people could help to reduce it. This could be IRC or audio chat.

https://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikinews:Admin_action_alerts/Archive_13#backlog_clearing_meet_1 was previously attempted, however the linked site was confusing to me and I had an IRL backlog that takes away my attention. (I still do.) Any help with getting this one meetup happen, and/or a nicer software for coordinating future online meetups, would be appreciated.

Hope you can help.

Regards, -- [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 09:51, 10 February 2026 (UTC)

== Published: [[&quot;Media and Tenkil&quot; exhibit opens in Hanau, Germany]] (February 10) ==

Hello,

Sending this message to all contributors to the article...

Article has been published.

0) I changed headline and added image attribution for first image.

1) I removed two sentences, as the sources do not have them. Please feel free to re-add with a comment or added source.

A. The exhibition seeks public confrontation and healing through these displays.

B. The Tenkil Museum, operating as a non-profit with no permanent venue, has previously held exhibitions in Brussels, the  European Parliament, Kassel, and  Frankfurt.

2) Name of museum is confusing. Is it Tenkil Museum? Museum of Repression? Please check this immediately and comment.

3) Would be good to add one or two comments from some public who visited.

4) Would be good to clarify what &quot;Gülenist&quot; means and/or wikilink.

Please make the above edits and comments now, ideally within less than 12 hours.

Thank you! -- [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 10:35, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
== Published: [[Göbeklitepe, Taş Tepeler and life 12,000 years ago exhibition opens in Berlin, Germany]] (February 11) ==

Sending to all authors...

Published.

Please check '''each diff''' in article history, in case i added inaccuracies or confusion.

Please check current revision. I edited it because it was not completely consistent with source, in the paragraph mentioning unesco.

Please if you are in Berlin, take a photo, even from outside building if inside is not allowed.

Edits may be made within next ~24 hours.

Thank you. -- [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 11:01, 11 February 2026 (UTC)
== Published: [[Poets gather for reading at Ray's Pizza in New York City]] (February 12) ==

Sending this message to all users who edited the page ...

Published.

Krinkle says copyright of photos is ok.

Suggest to add how long it took, one hour, two hours, or whatever. Suggest to add utc time in parentheses. Minor changes. Can be done in 24hr or less from now.

A bit old. Better to write about it on the day, not a week after. OR kind of makes an exception. But this should be considered in future, to write news straight on the day.

Thank you! -- [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 11:14, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
== todo 2026_02_13 note to self ==

[[Talk:Shooting_at_Benihana_restaurant_in_Maple_Grove,_Minnesota_leaves_one_injured#Correction_issued,_not_sighted]]

not sure where correction went or what was not done, to be checked [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 01:22, 13 February 2026 (UTC)
== Concerns with review standards ==

I am raising a concern regarding review standards and adherence to current policy.

Several recent issues — including three retraction requests and a correction — have involved unsupported statements remaining in articles after review. Additionally, you have publicly stated that you do not perform full verification as part of your review process and have proposed reducing verification expectations in the review workflow. Those proposals have not achieved consensus and have received pushback from other reviewers.

For clarity:

Under [[WN:REV]], reviewers are responsible for verifying that all factual claims in an article are supported by the cited sources prior to publication.

[[WN:CS]] requires that published content be accurate and verifiable.

[[WN:Archive]] presumes that archived articles reflect a fully reviewed and source-supported record.

Until these policies are changed by consensus, they remain binding. Review standards cannot be unilaterally reinterpreted.

Accordingly, I am requesting that future reviews fully comply with existing verification requirements. If there is a desire to formally redefine the scope of review, that discussion should occur at the policy level and reach clear consensus before being implemented in practice.

Please confirm that future reviews will adhere to current policy standards.[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 18:02, 7 February 2026 (UTC)

:I do not believe a 100% to the letter check was done by any previous reviewer. Changing that approach requires a discussion. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 02:49, 9 February 2026 (UTC)
:Hi @[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]]
:* I couldn't reply to those article quality concerns that you raised in last year individually, I was sick for a month last month and had around two major circumstances change in my personal life last year each of which required at least a few months effort each. If you wish, I can revisit these discussions and reply to them now.
:* There is ongoing discussion about this at [[Wikinews:Water_cooler/proposals#RfC_from_reviewers%3A_verifiability_policy]], hope it can undie itself. I tagged it with {{tl|flag}}, now.
:Regards, -- [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 04:03, 9 February 2026 (UTC)
:For the record, i think the question is invalid ... before asking such question it is required to provide and discuss examples here. As stated above, I was not asked to give my feedback on any corrections/retractions here. They were actioned and archived in my absence. Hope this is something you can look into on next occurrence/concern, @[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]]. Regards, -- [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 15:41, 9 February 2026 (UTC)
:: Does [[WN:REV]] require verification of all factual claims against cited sources prior to publication?[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 13:54, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
:::Yes it does with a few complications...
:::* What does a reviewer do if the article is three pages long and is a 'news' i.e. time sensitive
:::* How time sensitive a report is the one you are or I am reviewing
:::* What does a reviewer do if a piece of information was not possible to verify and is not essential
:::* What does a reviewer do if a piece of information was not possible to verify and is essential
:::* How to define this essential
:::* Does any of the above justify doing a 'supposedly incomplete' review
:::* If yes, then how incomplete may it be
:::* How actionable the review should be
:::* Whether a reviewer may speak from 'we' voice of Wikinews as a 'we Wikinews reviewers' in talk pages, or in reviews
:::* whether a reviewer may say 'our policies' or 'Wikinews policies' and how this connects to 'we' and 'I' in talk pages and in reviews
:::* Maybe something else I forgot
:::These are all open questions and answering them may require a seeming policy violation, yet. In my view, there are a number of practices done for over a decade and just because the policy says something does not mean a current practice must be changed. They are also context sensitive questions.
:::If there is a specific article where you are concerned about review quality I am happy to have a look, please let me know!
:::Hope it helps. I am open to further discussion!
:::Regards, -- [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 01:03, 13 February 2026 (UTC)
:::: [[WN:REV]] provides the following answer to all of the questions above: ''The reviewer should check that all information in the article is fully sourced.''
:::: As written, it allows for no nuance with regards to how much verification we perform, given any number of hypothetical scenarios one might dream up.
:::: Dealing with the results of a partial (and disputed) review process conducted by only one reviewer has resulted in repeated post-publication remediation by the community.
:::: So far, the two proposals to reduce the verification requirement have received no support from the community:
:::: 
::::* [[Wikinews:Water_cooler/assistance/archives/2024/November#Mailing_lists|October 2024]]  
::::* [[Wikinews:Water_cooler/proposals#Proposed_change_to_review_process_by_Gryllida_Version_202512|January 2026]]
:::: 
:::: If the '''community''' believes the current standard is too high, then the policy should be formally amended. Until then, the written policy governs review.[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 02:55, 13 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::Hi [[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]]
:::::* I don't think standard is too high, just nuances have existed for a while just were not documented. I do not agree with you that the nuances should not be allowed.
:::::* If you felt a particular article quality was too low after I published it, let me know and allow me time to respond.
:::::* I was frustrated by some related conversations being archived or not brought up on my talk page despite me having reviewed the article, I just lost them and do not remember anything of them because they were not properly discussed with me.
:::::Hope this is helpful, I am happy to discuss further.
:::::Regards, -- [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 04:02, 13 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::: &gt; ''If you felt a particular article quality was too low after I published it, let me know and allow me time to respond.''&lt;br&gt;I have disagreed with the proposed, lower level of verification for years, possibly starting [[Wikinews:Water cooler/assistance/archives/2024/November#c-Michael.C.Wright-20241020142100-Gryllida-20241020021900|here]], but also [[Wikinews:Water cooler/assistance/archives/2024/November#c-Michael.C.Wright-20241024140100-Mailing_lists|here]], [[Wikinews:Water cooler/proposals#c-Michael.C.Wright-20260107223800-Votes|here]], [[Wikinews:Water cooler/miscellaneous/archives/2025/June#c-Michael.C.Wright-20250603160200-GreekApple123-20250603140900|here]], and [[Wikinews:Deletion requests/Archives/2026#c-Michael.C.Wright-20260119153000-Gryllida-20260118153200|here]], to point to just a few.
:::::: Also, the reader is the first priority. If there are problems with a published article, we should not wait on a single contributor to correct an error. If you follow your own advice on [[Wikinews:Watching pages]], you'll know when issues are being discussed on the talk page or various operational pages such as [[WN:DR]]. It is your own responsibility to ensure you stay up to date with the project. 
:::::: The only way I would personally support a lower level of verification is if we first required in-line citations for stated facts. Then any disputed statements of fact that do not include an in-line citation can be readily removed as part of the review process. And even then, as a journalism project first and wiki project second, I would have serious reservations and would likely request a trial period to gauge the results. 
:::::: And again, it is the community's decision, not yours or mine alone.[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 16:05, 13 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::::If I had a dozen proposals you disagreed with, it does not answer the question I was asking. Watching pages is helpful, but is not a substitute for opening a new section at this page for each of my reviews that went bad, as that issue is bothering you a bit more than a mention... [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 09:06, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::::: This wouldn't be such an issue except that the 5w-only review process causes problems that others have to fix. If the 5w-only review process improved the project, we wouldn't still be debating it. &lt;br&gt;You have twice proposed the same change to policy and after it has not been accepted by the community, you have unilaterally decided to put the change into practice. &lt;br&gt;You have justified the use of a 5W-only review process variously, as follows:&lt;br&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&quot;...partly due to my medical issues and partly due to my preference...&quot;[https://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikinews:Water_cooler/proposals#c-Gryllida-20260111133600-Tduk-20260110041300]&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&quot;I do not think the current policy requires 100% coverage of fact check.&quot;[https://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikinews:Water_cooler/proposals#c-Gryllida-20260111155700-Michael.C.Wright-20260111154200]&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&quot;I believe that doing 100% verification was not common practice.&quot;[https://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikinews:Water_cooler/proposals#c-Gryllida-20260112210400-Michael.C.Wright-20260112174200]&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&quot;I don't believe this is realistic to expect a reviewer to check 100% of the content in an article unless someone is hired to do such extensive reviews...&quot;[https://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikinews:Water_cooler/proposals#c-Gryllida-20260111163400-RfC_from_reviewers:_verifiability_policy]&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;br&gt;Many of those justifications contradict each other or otherwise defy logic. I find this tactic of shifting blame anywhere other than where it belongs to now be of bad faith.&lt;br&gt;I am not the first reviewer to [[Wikinews:Water cooler/assistance/archives/2024/November#c-Heavy_Water-20241022164600-Gryllida-20241021221200|disagree with your use of this pseudo-review process]]. &lt;br&gt;Choosing not to follow established policy, then citing the resulting difficulties as proof that the policy is unworkable, effectively uses noncompliance as an argument for change. That runs counter to [[WN:POINT]], which prohibits disrupting or disregarding policy to make a point:&lt;br&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Discussion, rather than unilateral action, is the preferred means of changing policies, and the preferred mechanism for demonstrating the problem with policies.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br&gt;It offers the following example, which matches the behavior identified here:&lt;br&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;If you wish to change an existing procedure or guideline...&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;do set up a discussion page and try to establish consensus.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;don't push the existing rule to its limits in an attempt to prove it wrong, or nominate the existing rule for deletion.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;br&gt;This has become disruptive to the project on many levels and is now in violation of [[WN:POINT]].[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 16:48, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Hi @[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]]
:::::::::# It is difficult to discuss these examples, they are from separate articles. Have they been addressed somehow, or do they still require action now?
:::::::::# I do not agree with the claim that I decided to 'put them into practice' (about 'review only 5W [and plagiarism]') for all future submissions. I could do this, however, if required in the context of a given event, a given report and a given timing. I did it a few times in the past and I saw some other people do the same. I do not think that it would constitute a policy violation. Even though that is not documented. The reason why I do not think this would constitute policy violation is because I am still waiting for comments from other reviewers about their reviewing practices. Without that comment it is pretty hard to continue this discussion.
:::::::::# I refuse to engage into further discussion about &quot;Hi, you must be &lt;new or disruptive&gt; here, go read the documentation&quot;. It is an eye sore. I am not a nuisance here and I am not doing arbitrary changes.
:::::::::# If you wish further discussion, you need to put it about each '''''article issue''''' separately in a new section on my talk page. Again, I refuse to engage into &quot;hey your review quality is bad in general&quot;. Issue needs to be discussed for each article. Maybe after substantial amount of issues and they recurring the discussion could be opened again.
:::::::::# I do not agree that I must stay up to date with whole project. I tried and I opened a discussion when it was already archived, it was from a mention notification. I can stay up to date but there is a limit on my time available and I will read some notifications a week or two later. If the issue is important and urgent and requires substantial amount of reading or writing or thinking/processing, it needs to be mentioned on my talk page.
:::::::::# I also maintain my desire to propose further changes to relax reviewing. There may be another dozen or two of such proposals and complementing software being developed. This should not strengthen your position about my bad quality of reviews. The only point that will strengthen this position is issues in articles being identified. 
:::::::::# I maintain that this is yourself that increased review standard. There was written policies in the context of the late @[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] being available 16 hours a day. Other reviewers (apart from Pi zero) have not been that thorough to my understanding and I believe it was not a major issue. The requirement to be that thorough for all with a post mortem being done at time of archival is a workflow change and I do not think it was discussed anywhere or approved in consensus.
:::::::::# This will be especially valuable if these issues are identified within less than 24 hours after publishing, because this is when the article receives the most readers.
:::::::::Hope this is helpful. Please note I was thinking out loud and some of the statements may be imprecise. I was not enjoying these notes because it were things which are self obvious and in Wikinews there is a guideline to work towards quality of news, not towards quality or volume of meta discussions. I would appreciate if the meta discussions were kept to a minimum. In an effort to reduce my burn out, I may wish to postpone my further involvement in this discussion to a minimum, and I may just be able to respond to comments which actually involve inquiry about a current article.
:::::::::I am still open to discussion of the above issues as I am hoping that this discussion may come up with substantial changes that can be done either to articles or to workflows if needed.
:::::::::Regards, [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 23:46, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::I think a balance needs to be struck between the quality of our output (and therefore the rigor of reviews) and the amount of time the community can actually spend on maintaining standards. As of now, you seem to be the most active and rigorous around here, but if no one else is able or willing to hold articles to the same standard you do, then you're only placing a larger burden on yourself. To be clear, I believe community standards ''should'' be upheld, but the reality is that it may not be feasible to do so given our lack of human resources. I appreciate and admire the work you do and wish you all the best. [[User:HKLionel|&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Montserrat;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#EE1C25,#BA8E23);color:transparent;background-clip:text&quot;&gt;HKLionel&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:HKLionel|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#EE1C25;font-size:60%&quot;&gt;TALK&lt;/span&gt;]] 08:25, 13 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::: &gt; ''but if no one else is able or willing to hold articles to the same standard you do, then you're only placing a larger burden on yourself.''&lt;br&gt;We don't know that I'm the only active reviewer with high standards. The RfC linked above has not received ''any'' responses from other reviewers, even after a month, even after over 20 individual pings, a flag, and continued pressing by the OP. The cause of the lack of response is likely manyfold but can not be discounted or dismissed.
:::::: I do not deny the burden of full verification. In fact I acknowledge[https://en.wikinews.org/wiki/User_talk:Michael.C.Wright/Review_process_study/Reviewer_lane#Biggest_hurdle] it. But I do find it to be a ''minimum'' requirement of a journalism project. I think it is grossly irresponsible, even unethical for a journalism project to explicitly state that not all facts in our articles will be verified. 
:::::: I believe journalists, to include ''citizen journalists'', have an ethical imperative to &quot;[t]ake responsibility for the accuracy of their work.&quot;[https://www.spj.org/spj-code-of-ethics/][[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 17:16, 13 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Well, not like inactive reviewers with high standards are helpful to the project. Yes, so we should always aim higher for our quality and standards, we just need to determine how high and if everyone is aiming high enough. [[User:HKLionel|&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Montserrat;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#EE1C25,#BA8E23);color:transparent;background-clip:text&quot;&gt;HKLionel&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:HKLionel|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#EE1C25;font-size:60%&quot;&gt;TALK&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:12, 13 February 2026 (UTC)
::::3-4: I don't see how anything would be impossible to verify. I doubt dead links are used here due to the need for new sources, and editors with access to paywalled sources should be able to provide quotations that support their claims.
::::5: I believe anything controversial should need to be verified, as neutrality is of the utmost importance.
::::6: Yes, corrections and/or retractions may take up even more time than if a thorough review was completed in the first place.
::::9: I don't see why anyone should be able to claim to represent the perspective of an entire group.
::::10: Yet policies &amp; guidelines are (as far as I'm concerned) vetted by the community, so I don't see why not. However, P&amp;Gs are applied through individual interpretations, so I believe single-person should be used in communication. [[User:HKLionel|&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Montserrat;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#EE1C25,#BA8E23);color:transparent;background-clip:text&quot;&gt;HKLionel&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:HKLionel|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#EE1C25;font-size:60%&quot;&gt;TALK&lt;/span&gt;]] 08:19, 13 February 2026 (UTC)
== Revision requested: [[Sanae Takaichi leads LDP to victory in 2026 Japanese election]] (February 19) ==

{{Notify_review/notready|article=Sanae Takaichi leads LDP to victory in 2026 Japanese election|author=Gryllida|reviewer=Michael.C.Wright|is_author=no}} -- [[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 15:24, 19 February 2026 (UTC)

:Issues: Stale &amp; unattributed analysis  - ok. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 18:46, 19 February 2026 (UTC)

== Contact ==

I received your voice message. Feel free to leave any messages here at WN on my Talk page.--[[User:Bddpaux|Bddpaux]] ([[User talk:Bddpaux|talk]]) 20:26, 19 February 2026 (UTC)

:wanted real time contact can do any time including my night - this is for collaborative editing of draft. thanks [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 00:01, 20 February 2026 (UTC)
== Revision requested: [[Wildfires burn across parts of US states of Texas, Oklahoma, and Kansas]] (February 20) ==

{{tl|Notify_review/notready|article=Wildfires burn across parts of US states of Texas, Oklahoma, and Kansas|author=Gryllida|reviewer=Michael.C.Wright|is_author=no}} -- [[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 02:06, 21 February 2026 (UTC)
:Partially done: i revised and left as bit up to local contributor to address. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 06:23, 21 February 2026 (UTC)
== Revision requested: [[Tarique Rahman forms new BNP government in Bangladesh]] (February 21) ==

{{Notify_review/notready|article=Tarique Rahman forms new BNP government in Bangladesh|author=Gryllida|reviewer=Michael.C.Wright|is_author=no}} -- [[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 16:46, 21 February 2026 (UTC)
== Let's try and start over please... ==

im willing to work with you, I apologize for my actions like biting your head off sorry hope you can accept my apology. Thank you @[[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 19:40, 27 February 2026 (UTC)

:Hey I was not offended, I am full on to collaborate and edit together. May be a bit away on weekend as I will be driving. Regards, [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 21:53, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
== Published: [[Musical performance presented by Striped Light in Long Island City, New York showcases four performers]] (February 28) ==

{{Notify_review/passed|article=Musical performance presented by Striped Light in Long Island City, New York showcases four performers|author=Gryllida|reviewer=Michael.C.Wright|is_author=no}} -- [[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 15:57, 28 February 2026 (UTC)

:Ok good [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 22:34, 28 February 2026 (UTC)
:I suggest the template to include link to article talk page, so I can check out review comment more easily. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 22:36, 28 February 2026 (UTC)
== Unilateral undeletion ==

In [https://en.wikinews.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&amp;logid=4246553 this diff] you again undeleted an article you originally authored and intend to continue developing. It was deleted as part of the normal, [[WN:PROD]] process on March 3. You previously undeleted the same article [https://en.wikinews.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&amp;logid=4238569 diff] nearly two weeks ago. 

[[Wikinews:Undeletion guidelines]] states: Articles which were deleted following process should only have an undeletion '''request''' [emphasis added] if they were &quot;wrongly&quot; deleted, such as being speedy deleted or on deletion requests without a tag or input from the community.

No undeletion request was filed and both deletion processes followed policy. In the most recent, the article was marked as abandoned on the 27th and not deleted until the 3rd (four, instead of two days after the warning). 

The article's content has not been edited since February 20 and is therefore still considered abandoned.

This is an administrative action taken on a page where you are the author, which conflicts with the expected separation between administrative tools and personal editing interests.

The article should remain deleted unless an undeletion request is made. This is not how story development or undeletion is normally handled under [[WN:PROD]].

Non-administrators cannot undelete articles at will; administrators should not do so either.[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 19:25, 4 March 2026 (UTC)

:Hi 
:1. It was original reporting which should normally not be deleted and should be userified.
:2. There was a note on the talk page saying that I am waiting for my interviewee to provide some information before I submit for review. This is still the case.
:3. As a result I believe it was deleted 'out of process' and no consensus was required for undeletion.
:I wish to engage in no further discussion or further requests for clarification in this here. If you disagree any further, please open a request on some other talk/forum page where other users may provide their responses. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 22:35, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
:: When it was marked abandoned on December 7, it was not marked as original.[https://en.wikinews.org/w/index.php?title=New_CEO_of_Bureau_of_Meteorology,_Australia,_announces_AU$96.5M_website_upgrade_bill&amp;oldid=4953784]
:: Therefore it was originally deleted in compliance with [[WN:PROD]] and should not have been unilaterally undeleted. 
:: OR is not immune from either [[WN:Freshness]] or [[WN:PROD]].[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 23:20, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
:: I have posted the question to the community: [[Wikinews:Water cooler/policy#Clarification: use of administrative undelete on articles authored by the admin|Clarification: use of administrative undelete on articles authored by the admin]][[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 23:41, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Agreed that there were two deletions (and two undeletions), and first one was OK, as article was not marked as OR at that time. I believe I should be able to do that undeletion for Gatwick purpose anyway. I replied in water cooler. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 12:11, 5 March 2026 (UTC)
{{od}} I am not sure why it comes off as one of you have a chip on their shoulder.  Anyways, can we do it like the way we have always handled OR's instead of breathing down each other's throats?  @Gry, you should move OR's your userspace.  Please work on it, and submit it for publication when it is ready.  @MCW, many a times authors need access to their OR to continue on their story + ORs can be freshened by changing the focus (some interviews don't go stale as quickly as others, like the interviews with Zara Kay and with the HIV-positive sex workers during lockdown).  It's been the case that those who can't do it will be requesting an admin, and admins can choose to access it by checking deleted logs, or by moving to their userspace, or changing the focus of the article.  In this case, if the focus is not changed, please move it to your userspace, Gry.&lt;br&gt;[[User talk:Acagastya|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #000; box-shadow: 0 0 7px #5de; padding-left:2.5px; padding-right:2.5px; border-radius:10px;&quot;&gt;•&amp;ndash;•&lt;/span&gt;]] 14:14, 5 March 2026 (UTC)
: &gt; ''I am not sure why it comes off as one of you have a chip on their shoulder.''
: I agree and if you are willing to mediate, I think dispute resolution may be in order. We have tried discussing things off- and on-wiki but the broader dispute remains. 
: &gt; ''can we do it like the way we have always handled OR's instead of breathing down each other's throats?''
: My objection here is that it was not originally OR when first deleted and subsequently undeleted. It was undeleted ''in order to change it to OR.'' Even then, once undeleted, it was neither userified nor further developed. Admin access could have (and probably ''should have'') been used to merely copy/paste the content offline for manipulation into an entirely new article and then submitted when there was content to be verified.[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 14:42, 5 March 2026 (UTC)
::So you only object to the first undeletion, and not the second? [[User:Tduk|Tduk]] ([[User talk:Tduk|talk]]) 00:40, 6 March 2026 (UTC)
:::# yes
:::# for your reference, when changing to OR, i don't believe previous edit history should be lost, and i don't believe work should be transferred off-wiki
:::# i appreciated @[[User:Acagastya|Acagastya]];s solution, moving to user name space sounds more efficient here to me
:::[[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 00:57, 6 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I was asking @[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] what his objection was to, to understand what is actually supposed to be being discussed here. [[User:Tduk|Tduk]] ([[User talk:Tduk|talk]]) 01:19, 6 March 2026 (UTC)
:i moved it to user space, it is way more efficient than working offline [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 00:50, 6 March 2026 (UTC)
== Randwick City Council article ==

I like articles that have &quot;ancillary&quot; source material! Flyers, mailers, guides -- etc.!--[[User:Bddpaux|Bddpaux]] ([[User talk:Bddpaux|talk]]) 00:11, 7 March 2026 (UTC)

:Working on another one about https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-03-06/moreton-bay-homeless-evictions-supreme-court-decision/106423036 now. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 00:12, 7 March 2026 (UTC)
:Hi [[User:Bddpaux|Bddpaux]], I just submitted it for review -- [[Moreton Bay illegally evicted homeless campers, Queensland Supreme Court rules]]. Please check it out. Regards, -- [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 10:08, 7 March 2026 (UTC)</text>
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A good and active candidate. She would also be willing to be a reviewer I think. ~ [[User:Sheminghui.WU|Sheminghui.WU]] ([[User talk:Sheminghui.WU|talk]]) 08:11, 1 November 2025 (UTC)

====Stats====
{{RfP/stats|Wikiwide|Wikiwide}}

====Questions and comments====
{{comment}} Is this User an Accredited Reporter?—-[[User:Bddpaux|Bddpaux]] ([[User talk:Bddpaux|talk]]) 16:34, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
Hi [[User:Wikiwide|Wikiwide]], do you accept the nomination? Please note that reviewing 100% of articles every day is not required as it may lead to burning out. Reviewing one article a week or one article a fortnight would work very well noting that in case of being not ready it may require urgent re-review after someone fixed it up. Thanks. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 08:37, 1 November 2025 (UTC)

:{{Support}} Acceptable. I will probably keep to editing articles instead of waiting for someone else to do it, but if article is already in very good condition, I will be glad to publish it. [[User:Wikiwide|Wikiwide]] ([[User talk:Wikiwide|talk]]) 11:12, 1 November 2025 (UTC)
::Hi Team 
::[[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]], [[User:Gryllida|RockerballAustralia]], [[User:Gryllida|Michael.C.Wright]], [[User:Gryllida|Bddpaux]], [[User:JJLiu112|JJLiu112]]
::Welcome your input here.
::Thanks. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 08:38, 16 November 2025 (UTC)
::: You pinged yourself in all but one of the pings above.[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 14:54, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
::Hi @[[User:George Ho|George Ho]] @[[User:Wikiwide|Wikiwide]] @[[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] @[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] @[[User:Back ache|Back ache]] @[[User:Md Mobashir Hossain|Md Mobashir Hossain]] @[[User:Almondo2025|Almondo2025]], @[[User:Dsuke1998AEOS|Dsuke1998AEOS]], @[[User:Ternera|Ternera]], @[[User:Monsieur2137|Monsieur2137]] @[[User:Asked42|Asked42]], @[[User:Sheminghui.WU|Sheminghui.WU]], @[[User:Excelblue|excelblue]] (if you want yourself removed or someone else added to this list, please inquire [[Template talk:Pingrr|here]]) [[Category:Revision requested]] A revision has been requested. Here is a list of what to do. (If/when you intend to start working on it, please '''Subscribe to this section and to this talk page''', and post reply messages here when you started and finished editing) See below:
::1) Comment or vote on this page.
::Thanks. -- [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 08:38, 16 November 2025 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] I'm inclined to accept the request directly - do we need a certain number of votes? [[User:Leaderboard|Leaderboard]] ([[User talk:Leaderboard|talk]]) 10:16, 16 November 2025 (UTC)
::::Hi @[[User:Cromium|Cromium]] and @[[User:RockerballAustralia|RockerballAustralia]], required assistance to assess whether the vote was successful as I have a conflict of interest due to knowing the user personally. Thanks. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 03:47, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
: Please note that for nominations or requests for reviewer permissions, there are two additional steps that must be completed[https://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikinews:Flagged_revisions/Requests_for_permissions]:
: 
:* Transclude the request page at the foot of the section below by adding the title of the request page, enclosed by curly brackets e.g.:
: &lt;nowiki&gt;{{Wikinews:Flagged revisions/Requests for permissions/YourUsername}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;
:* Then inform the Wikinews community of your request.
: [[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 14:56, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
::Hi [[User:Sheminghui.WU|Sheminghui.WU]], could you please complete the two above steps, thanks [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 12:15, 25 November 2025 (UTC)
: {{comment}} Historically, reviewer requests have included questions to confirm a contributor’s grasp of current policies. [[User:Wikiwide|Wikiwide]] is a long-time user but not a consistently active contributor (629 edits in 16 years). We do need more active reviewers, but we also need thorough reviews. I would support this nomination on the condition that Wikiwide commits to conducting full, detailed reviews rather than only publishing articles already in strong shape. Contributors rely on clear feedback just as much as we rely on timely publication.[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 15:10, 23 November 2025 (UTC)

*{{comment}} About lack of responses at personal talk page, article talk pages or reading notifications, I have asked at Wikiwide's user talk page. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 02:23, 10 December 2025 (UTC)

====Votes====
{{Support}} Nominee vote. A very trustworthy long-time user; although she hasn't written many articles, she would be suitable as a reviewer. ~ [[User:Sheminghui.WU|Sheminghui.WU]] ([[User talk:Sheminghui.WU|talk]]) 08:13, 1 November 2025 (UTC)

:{{support}} [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 12:18, 1 November 2025 (UTC)
:{{support}} Looks good to me. [[User:Ternera|Ternera]] ([[User talk:Ternera|talk]]) 21:25, 17 November 2025 (UTC)
:{{support}} Yes.—[[User:Bddpaux|Bddpaux]] ([[User talk:Bddpaux|talk]]) 04:05, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
:{{support}}: Hope you stay active and continue reviewing articles. --[[User:Asked42|Asked42]] ([[User talk:Asked42|talk]]) 07:17, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
{{oppose}} Per [[#c-Michael.C.Wright-20251123151000-Gryllida-20251101083700| comment above]], may change again pending response. '''Update:''' I have updated my vote based on [[User:Wikiwide|Wikiwide's]] lack of response on this page. Their only response here was to accept the nomination. If you look at their [[User_talk:Wikiwide|talk page]], it has never been edited by Wikiwide, meaning they have never engaged in their own talk page in 16 years. As badly as we need reviewers, I don't see that Wikiwide has a huge desire to engage here and a key part of the reviewer's role is to engage with the community. [[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 14:56, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
: See also [[Talk:Activists claim sexual abuse and torture at the hands of Tanzanian authorities#c-Gryllida-20251121115900-Michael.C.Wright-20251115163900|this as-yet unanswered]] question.[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 16:46, 3 December 2025 (UTC)
::Commented in the comments section, hopefully this will be addressed in a few days. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 02:27, 10 December 2025 (UTC)
: This request has been open for over three months with no further input from the nominee either here or at their talk page. For clarity, should this be closed as stale, or does the community wish to proceed to a decision?[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 02:47, 18 February 2026 (UTC)
::I suggest to keep this request open as i believe Wikiwide will answer to this query here soon... say within two weeks I expect the issue with not replying to notifications from a distant corner of the site may be addressed. 🙂 [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 04:48, 18 February 2026 (UTC)
: @[[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]], @[[User:RockerballAustralia|RockerballAustralia]], this request has been open for approximately five months without meaningful input from the nominee beyond accepting the nomination. [[#c-Michael.C.Wright-20251123151000-Bddpaux-20251123163400|Issues raised]] during the discussion remain unaddressed, and there has been no indication of engagement with the process.
: While several users have expressed support, concerns raised during the discussion—particularly regarding engagement and responsiveness—remain unaddressed. With no further input from the nominee and no follow-up to those concerns, the discussion has not developed into a clear consensus to proceed.
: Given the extended inactivity and lack of progress in this nomination, I suggest the request be closed as stale. If circumstances permit in the future, the nominee may submit a new request, provided they are able to engage with the community and address the concerns raised here.[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 13:39, 6 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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      <text bytes="47537" sha1="1jnr2eryume4zz7oc2eocii8vulzxvp" xml:space="preserve">&lt;center&gt; &lt;big&gt; Please share your opinion regarding the migration on Meta at [[meta:Migration of Wikinews and future hosts]]. &lt;/big&gt; &lt;/center&gt;

= 1. Name and geographical location of new hosting. =
I have no idea about this, please advise. How can this be done when half of users have slow internet and are geographically dispersed. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 22:22, 25 November 2025 (UTC)

:A Meta page has been created for discussion about the migration. Please share your votes and comments there. [[meta:Migration of Wikinews and future hosts]]. --[[User:Asked42|Asked42]] ([[User talk:Asked42|talk]]) 14:57, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

=== Miraheze ===
:Maybe we could consider migrating to https://miraheze.org/. Their Meta page is here: https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Miraheze_Meta.
:They provide free hosting, although I am not sure whether we would need to purchase our own domain name. They also do not run advertisements and operate entirely on donations.
:However, a major clarification is required: If Wikinews is closed, will the WMF also relinquish copyright to the name 'Wikinews' and its logo? If not, I'm not sure how we could proceed. Perhaps someone with legal knowledge, or someone from the WMF, could advise on this? -- [[User:Asked42|Asked42]] ([[User talk:Asked42|talk]]) 07:13, 26 November 2025 (UTC)
::Is it easy to install our own mediawiki extensions there. Do they provide shell access. The name question is in section 5 below. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 20:52, 26 November 2025 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]]: Yes, almost all MediaWiki extensions are available there. There are also users with strong MediaWiki knowledge who can help us move forward technically. -- [[User:Asked42|Asked42]] ([[User talk:Asked42|talk]]) 03:29, 27 November 2025 (UTC)
:::: &quot;almost all MediaWiki extensions&quot; is an exaggeration. But it is true that Miraheze is significantly more willing to install new extensions than Wikimedia is: https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Extensions is an incomplete list. Miraheze, while they won't provide you shell access, will let you self-service many things that require shell access on Wikimedia, such as config changes - they have a fairly flexible https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/ManageWiki interface. [[User:Pppery|* Pppery *]] [[User talk:Pppery|&lt;sub style=&quot;color:#800000&quot;&gt;it has begun...&lt;/sub&gt;]] 03:53, 27 November 2025 (UTC)
:::::True. What I mean is at least enough to support Wikinews or such that Wikinews is going to need. -- [[User:Asked42|Asked42]] ([[User talk:Asked42|talk]]) 14:18, 27 November 2025 (UTC)
::Miraheze might be our last good option just saying. @[[User:Asked42|Asked42]], @[[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 20:55, 26 November 2025 (UTC)
:::Also, everyone, the WMF board has '''not yet''' made a final decision, and the current community opinion is mostly in our favor, so please don't give up participating in various discussions on metawiki. ~ [[User:Sheminghui.WU|Sheminghui.WU]] ([[User talk:Sheminghui.WU|talk]]) 01:02, 1 December 2025 (UTC)
::::They will close WikiNews tomorrow. All pages will be read-only. I can register the wiki at https://wikinews.miraheze.org, if you would like. [[User:SeaDragon1|SeaDragon1]] ([[User talk:SeaDragon1|talk]]) 19:24, 3 April 2026 (UTC)
:::::To reiterate NotAracham’s comment in this thread, while Miraheze is very willing to provide hosting to Wikinews, we ask that the actual wiki request be submitted by a bureaucrat (or representative of WikiNYC if the WN community choses to pursue an arrangement with them). With all due respect, for the sake of clarify and not making things more confusing for the Wikinews community, we won’t be accepting one-off requests by users that don’t have the backing of the community’s consensus. [[User:PixDeVl|PixDeVl]] ([[User talk:PixDeVl|talk]]) 21:26, 3 April 2026 (UTC)
::I personally oppose the usage of Miraheze because it contains trackers that are hard for users to disable. [[User:GrinningIodize|GrinningIodize]] ([[User talk:GrinningIodize|talk]]) 16:04, 6 December 2025 (UTC)
:::Hi @[[User:GrinningIodize|GrinningIodize]], what are they tracking and how does this work? [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 09:52, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I forget the exact details because I wrote that message nearly 5 months ago, but I think that it's some sort of analytics ping that you need to block at the browser or DNS level. [[User:GrinningIodize|GrinningIodize]] ([[User talk:GrinningIodize|talk]]) 12:11, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::We collect minimal aggregate tracking data through cookies for cloudflare + matomo analytics as well as session persistence, @[[User:RhinosF1|RhinosF1]] would be better positioned to answer this. Our [https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Privacy_Policy Privacy Policy] also covers our 'when and how' for usage of this data. --[[User:NotAracham|NotAracham]] ([[User talk:NotAracham|talk]]) 18:40, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::If all other measures fail... we might have to try [[w:Fandom (website)|Fandom]]. [[User:SeaDragon1|SeaDragon1]] ([[User talk:SeaDragon1|talk]]) 19:59, 3 April 2026 (UTC)
:[[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]], Wikimedia is hosted in the US due to favorable freedom of speech and copyright laws. A [[w:Content delivery network]] can improve performance around the world, though that doesn't accelerate dynamic content served to users who are logged in. See [[m:Wikimedia servers]] for example.&lt;span id=&quot;Alexis_Jazz:1764267938397:Wikinews_talkFTTCLNMigration&quot; class=&quot;FTTCmt&quot;&gt; —&amp;nbsp;[[User:Alexis Jazz|Alexis Jazz]] ([[User talk:Alexis Jazz|talk]]) 18:25, 27 November 2025 (UTC)&lt;/span&gt;

Hi folks, this is NotAracham, Director of Trust &amp; Safety at Miraheze. We've reviewed internally and are confident that we will be able to offer hosting (from both a policy and technical standpoint) should you choose to select us once things are worked out with the WMF. I and my colleagues are happy to answer any questions the WikiNews community might have towards reaching a decision. --[[User:NotAracham|NotAracham]] ([[User talk:NotAracham|talk]]) 19:14, 27 November 2025 (UTC)
:You are a life saver thank you @[[User:NotAracham|NotAracham]] [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 19:16, 27 November 2025 (UTC)
:I think we should wait until the final decision of the Board, and if it ultimately is about closing, then I have no objection to migrate. This would be the best second possibility after Wikinews is not getting closed. Thank you for your help. -- [[User:Asked42|Asked42]] ([[User talk:Asked42|talk]]) 19:24, 27 November 2025 (UTC)
::Agreed, Miraheze can save us for backup plan @[[User:Asked42|Asked42]] [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 19:26, 27 November 2025 (UTC)
:I'm an Infrastructure engineer for Miraheze and am also watching this page. You can also find me on Libera.Chat (in both #wikinews and #miraheze) or Discord if you have questions. [[User:RhinosF1|RhinosF1]] ([[User talk:RhinosF1|talk]]) 19:34, 27 November 2025 (UTC)
:[[User:NotAracham|NotAracham]], it would probably be a good idea to clarify whether you are talking about English Wikinews or all Wikinews language variants. Also note that ruwikinews has on the order of 1000x more articles than most other language editions. Can Miraheze deal with [[:w:en:Russian web brigades]] ?&lt;span id=&quot;Alexis_Jazz:1764272830948:Wikinews_talkFTTCLNMigration&quot; class=&quot;FTTCmt&quot;&gt; —&amp;nbsp;[[User:Alexis Jazz|Alexis Jazz]] ([[User talk:Alexis Jazz|talk]]) 19:47, 27 November 2025 (UTC)&lt;/span&gt;
::Agreed, we need to focus on English Wikinews. [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 19:59, 27 November 2025 (UTC)
::Technically, I don't think any of them would be an issue. From a counter vandalism perspective, we would look to how we could support any wiki and make sure you have the tools available that you need. [[User:RhinosF1|RhinosF1]] ([[User talk:RhinosF1|talk]]) 20:03, 27 November 2025 (UTC)
::I'll defer to my tech colleagues on our technical capacity to host, though the general opinion seems that it would be well within possibility to host the full spectrum of languages if they choose to move to our service.  Regarding the counter-vandalism aspect, our service uses Cloudflare (for both default and custom domains) to mitigate DDoS attempts, which has proven unfortunately necessary with some past antagonists.  While we have an existing global CVT team to handle the more routine on-wiki trouble, we only have so many members with limited time to offer. It sounds like the Russian wikinews is one of the rare scenarios where it'd be prudent to assign some members of their moderation team [https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/CheckUser#Permission delegated local CheckUser]. --[[User:NotAracham|NotAracham]] ([[User talk:NotAracham|talk]]) 20:24, 27 November 2025 (UTC)
:::[[User:NotAracham|NotAracham]], first let me declare that I don't know for sure how ruwikinews is doing currently. But you should be very careful before assigning CheckUser to anyone involved with Russian projects. The paper bear is certainly interested:&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;[https://fortune.com/europe/2023/04/14/moscow-court-fines-wikipedia-refusing-remove-russia-language-article-invasion-ukraine/ Moscow court fines Wikipedia for refusing to remove a Russian-language article about the invasion of Ukraine]&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;[https://www.reuters.com/technology/russia-threatens-fine-wikipedia-if-it-doesnt-delete-false-information-2022-04-05/ Russia threatens to fine Wikipedia if it doesn't delete 'false information']&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;[https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2025/06/23/a89531 Russian Court Fines Wikipedia Operator Nearly $40K Over ‘P***philia Propaganda’]&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;Just don't give CheckUser to the paper bear, as they could use it to prosecute dissenters. As for the current state of ruwikinews, some of the most recent articles:&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;[[:n:ru:Необычный урок патриотизма провёл русский путешественник-экстремал, вернувшийся из Африки]] ([[:n:ru:Категория:Виктор Пинчук (1969)|author]] writing about himself)&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;[[:n:ru:В Крыму, расположенном недалеко от района боевых действий, прошла «Ночь искусств»]]: a Chinese Wikimedian, Sheminghui.WU, interviewing that user. Perhaps something is getting lost in translation, because this is the end of the last answer according to Google translate:&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;{{q|1=From my personal observations, the majority of Crimean residents (myself included) are ethnic Russians. Therefore, there has generally always been a negative attitude toward the imposed &quot;Ukrainianism&quot; here.&lt;br/&gt;I'm not familiar with cultural life in eastern Ukraine or in the towns located along the front lines, but here in Crimea, everything is peaceful. Enemy drones are being shot down by professionally trained specialists.&lt;br/&gt;We will win!&lt;br/&gt;Hakuna matata!&lt;br/&gt;No pasaran!|4=Виктор Пинчук|5=[https://ru.wikinews.org/wiki/%D0%92_%D0%9A%D1%80%D1%8B%D0%BC%D1%83,_%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%B6%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%BC_%D0%BD%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B0%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BA%D0%BE_%D0%BE%D1%82_%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B9%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D0%B1%D0%BE%D0%B5%D0%B2%D1%8B%D1%85_%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%B9%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B9,_%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%88%D0%BB%D0%B0_%C2%AB%D0%9D%D0%BE%D1%87%D1%8C_%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%83%D1%81%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B2%C2%BB]}}&lt;br/&gt;derp I have to stop looking at this rabbit hole&lt;span id=&quot;Alexis_Jazz:1764284255586:Wikinews_talkFTTCLNMigration&quot; class=&quot;FTTCmt&quot;&gt; —&amp;nbsp;[[User:Alexis Jazz|Alexis Jazz]] ([[User talk:Alexis Jazz|talk]]) 22:57, 27 November 2025 (UTC)&lt;/span&gt;
::::Ha, absolutely an area one could spend way too much time digging into, and a very fair point to bring up.  Local checkuser has not been given out in the history of Miraheze, and would absolutely be a last resort. While it's a thing we'd ''consider'' if proven necessary, any grants here would have a much higher degree of scrutiny than standard cases given the well-documented hostility of the national actor in question. 
::::--[[User:NotAracham|NotAracham]] ([[User talk:NotAracham|talk]]) 23:32, 27 November 2025 (UTC)
::As Russian Wikinews will also be closed, it will also need a new home. I will wait for their contributors to comment whether they want to do migration together and to the same host. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 05:04, 28 November 2025 (UTC)
:::Correction: *may also be closed [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 05:05, 28 November 2025 (UTC)
:Thanks @[[User:NotAracham|NotAracham]]] and @[[User:RhinosF1|RhinosF1]] for following this page [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 05:05, 28 November 2025 (UTC)
:@[[User:NotAracham|NotAracham]] Dear friend, will other language versions of Wikinews, especially ruwn and zhwn which have more views than enwn, can also be hosted? Thank you. ~ [[User:Sheminghui.WU|Sheminghui.WU]] ([[User talk:Sheminghui.WU|talk]]) 02:48, 29 November 2025 (UTC)
::Yes, we are willing to provide hosting for all language flavors of wikinews should their communities choose to move to our service. --[[User:NotAracham|NotAracham]] ([[User talk:NotAracham|talk]]) 18:43, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:Hi @[[User:NotAracham|NotAracham]], thank you for your notes.
:1. Do you have a comment on @[[User:GrinningIodize|GrinningIodize]]'s concern about trackers? 
:2. Could you confirm that you do not require content obligations in return, such as, censorship of content or necessitating to include your news on our site? 
:3. What features do you provide for multilingual content? Currently there are different sysops in each language edition of Wikinews, as they are separate wikis.
:Apparently, move needs to happen before May 4 and [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Board_noticeboard#Board_of_Trustees_Approves_Closure_of_Wikinews after that date content will be left read-only, here]. I asked whether Wikinews trademark can be used. 
:Thanks. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 09:56, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::4. In Miraheze can users insert Wikimedia Commons images into new pages? In Wikinews it is possible with same syntax as if it was a local image. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 10:02, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]]: Yes, it is possible to both upload local images and use files from Wikimedia Commons. --[[User:Asked42|Asked42]] ([[User talk:Asked42|talk]]) 10:07, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::This is cool. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 10:08, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::Cc @[[User:Pppery|Pppery]] thanks [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 10:02, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::# I've asked Rhinos to weigh in on trackers, but generally we collect the minimum data required to operate our service.  Information collected in this way is used as described in [https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Privacy_Policy our privacy policy] and is not sent/resold to outside parties.  If there are more specific concerns to be discussed, I defer to my tech colleague.
::# We do have some limits on what may be hosted on our service, outlined in [https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Content_Policy our content policy]. We also (as a non-profit) cannot host content specifically designed to achieve a political outcome, e.g. supporting a specific candidate or specific legislative action.  Beyond these two items, we do not impose any further restrictions on your speech nor will we mandate that specific stories be written.  However, it should be made clear, we cannot offer any form of legal cover should authored content result in legal action against the authors by a third party.
::# While we do have the Translate extension, the current structure is likely the cleanest way to continue operating.  We do support interwiki/interlanguage linking as well, which can ease connection between versions. 
::# Regarding licensing and/or permission for continued use of brand/trademark, that's something the WikiNews community will have to work out with the WMF, we do not negotiate in this way on behalf of our hosted projects.
::I think I've answered everything, but let me know if a question was missed.
::--[[User:NotAracham|NotAracham]] ([[User talk:NotAracham|talk]]) 19:26, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::Miraheze Tech here. To add to what NotAracham has said, we have [[miraheze:Help:How_to_support_multiple_languages_on_my_wiki|a multi-language guide]] which covers some of the options that are possible on Miraheze:
::# Separate wikis connected via interwiki language links.
::# Use the same wiki for all languages. Pages are connected via interwiki language links by pointing interwiki links to the same wiki.
::# Use the same wiki for all languages. Pages are synced with the translate extension.
::# Separate wikis connected via wikibase. I am not aware of any wiki that uses this option, but we do have wikibase available with a few hundred wikis that enabled the extension (whether they use it extensively is another story). I believe this option is what Wikinews uses right now. If there is enough interest, I can see if it is possible to replicate the wikinews setup on Miraheze's wikibase install.
::[[User:PetraMagna|PetraMagna]] ([[User talk:PetraMagna|talk]]) 22:36, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::As for trackers, wiki bureaucrats can grant the &lt;code&gt;noanalytics&lt;/code&gt; right to everyone (&lt;code&gt;*&lt;/code&gt;) with ManageWiki, which will exempt all users from our tracking software (Matomo). I tested it on [https://exttest.mirabeta.org/ Miraheze's extension testing wiki] and am no longer seeing Matomo-related requests for both logged-in and anonymous users.
::With that said, this will only happen on the local wiki. If the user clicks on a link to, for example, the Privacy Policy page which is hosted on Miraheze Meta, they will be subject to the tracker again since it is on a different wiki. [[User:PetraMagna|PetraMagna]] ([[User talk:PetraMagna|talk]]) 23:17, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

Question; would it be possible to mirrow this wiki, so when i make an edit here, it is also automatically made at Miraheze from my account; is it possible to allow users to login using OAuth so that they do not need to register a new account; what testing is required for a custom extension to be installed on site; where is it located geographically. Does it remain free of charge. how does this organization generate income. Thanks [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 05:10, 28 November 2025 (UTC)

:# Going to consider this question moot as the WMF-hosted service will go read-only in near future.  As mentioned elsewhere, we can assist with attributing edits to the MH-equivalent users following migration where there's interest in doing so.
:# We utilize CentralAuth as our account infrastructure, users need only one account for any wiki hosted on our platform. Services can verify the MH account through OAuth as well.  We do not, however, support OAuth for Wikimedia project accounts on our platform, a Miraheze account will need to be created.
:# Custom extensions will need to go through our security review process, and will generally need to demonstrate some form of global usefulness to be considered for approval.
:# We are based out of the United States of America and incorporated in the state of Idaho, the majority of our hardware infrastructure is located in the Salt lake City, Utah area.
:# We are a 501(c)3 nonprofit charitable organization, we do not and will not charge for our service, the majority of our funds come from individual user donations.  Our [https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Finance finances are public information], as are our [https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/WikiTide_Foundation/Budget/2026 annual budgets].
:--[[User:NotAracham|NotAracham]] ([[User talk:NotAracham|talk]]) 19:44, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

In my opinion, miraheze is the most viable path forwards for wikinews. [[user:bawolff|Bawolff]] [[user talk:Bawolff|☺]][[User:Bawolff/Sandbox|☻]] 16:35, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

IMO moving Wikinews to Miraheze is just swapping one centralized authority for another. You're not fixing the problem, you're relocating it. Instead of the Wikimedia Foundation, you end up under Miraheze's policies, infrastructure, and admins. Different host, same dependency. If Wikinews is supposed to be a truly independent, community-driven news platform, then it needs its own infrastructure and governance - not another host that can pull the plug or change the rules whenever it wants. We don't even know if Miraheze can reliably handle a project of this scale (enwikinews only? all active language versions?). What infrastructure do they actually have? What guarantees are there for long-term stability, performance, and uptime? Calling this a solution is just self-deception. [[User:BZPN|BZPN]] ([[User talk:BZPN|talk]]) 06:33, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

:The existing Wikinews community lacks the capability to do better than Miraheze or even come close. [[user:bawolff|Bawolff]] [[user talk:Bawolff|☺]][[User:Bawolff/Sandbox|☻]] 22:16, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:Loyal opposition here. Sorry your project is closing, I hope you perhaps consider my suggestion to transition to a more news-magazine inspired format on whatever your new host is. But I agree with Bawolff. To quote the former administrator of Earth: May I remind you that the alternative, if it can be called that, is total extinction? [[User:Dronebogus|Dronebogus]] ([[User talk:Dronebogus|talk]]) 13:12, 2 April 2026 (UTC)

No opinion on whether English (and others, except for ru) Wikinews should go to Miraheze, but certainly '''oppose migration of [[:ru:|ru.WN]] to Miraheze'''. Not exactly sure about conditions as of 2026, but the farm was long known to be dominated by English speakers and had zero representation of the Slavs in its establishment. Their staffers botched and failed import of Absurdopedia (the Russian Uncyclopedia), which eventually became self-hosted. &lt;span style=&quot;font-family:serif&quot;&gt;I&lt;/span&gt; had some ugly interactions with Mirahezeans, myself. Meanwhile it generally is a respectable farm and &lt;span style=&quot;font-family:serif&quot;&gt;I&lt;/span&gt; hold specifically {{u|John F. Lewis}}, who made a good job, in respect. --[[User:Incnis Mrsi|Incnis Mrsi]] ([[User talk:Incnis Mrsi|talk]]) 17:31, 2 April 2026 (UTC)

:Ironic, given the controversies surrounding John (He has a history of abusing positions of trust and got himself office banned from all Wikimedia projects). Regardless, is there another serious offer on the table? Otherwise Miraheze wins by default. Like you've made some comments that imply you might be willing to offer hosting or at least work on this. Are you actually offering to host Wikinews? Does this offer come with strings or financial requirements? Unless other offers materialize with details, it kind of seems like the choice is Miraheze or nothing. [[user:bawolff|Bawolff]] [[user talk:Bawolff|☺]][[User:Bawolff/Sandbox|☻]] 05:14, 3 April 2026 (UTC)
::What would the hardware requirements be for hosting WikiNews? Could the administrators WN provide some more specific information? [[User:Charmeleon69|Charmeleon69]] ([[User talk:Charmeleon69|talk]]) 06:53, 3 April 2026 (UTC)
::: Commented [[#hardware|here]] because this isn’t a proper thread. --[[User:Incnis Mrsi|Incnis Mrsi]] ([[User talk:Incnis Mrsi|talk]]) 17:03, 4 April 2026 (UTC)

= 2. Volunteers willing to pay for new hosting. This can be from charities, Wikimedia Charters, or personal expenses. =

I would volunteer towards hosting costs. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 22:22, 25 November 2025 (UTC)

:This will not work in my opinion. After all, that's the approach taken for wn-reporters and email, and I think it's safe to say that it hasn't been successful. [[User:Leaderboard|Leaderboard]] ([[User talk:Leaderboard|talk]]) 16:32, 30 November 2025 (UTC)
::The lowest cost I am aware of would be 25 USD per month, so 300 USD per year. Though it sounds like Miraheze maybe free and I know a few Wikipedians are on their board. [[User:Doc James|Doc James]] ([[User talk:Doc James|talk]]) 23:51, 18 December 2025 (UTC)
: If hosting is going to be paid for, I think a new, non-profit organization should be formed, to to handle funding and oversight. If hosting is paid for by one or more individuals who are not organized under a charter or governing structure, it creates obvious risks: lack of accountability, unclear ownership, and potential instability if those individuals step away or disagree.
: Forming a new non-profit may be a wise choice even if free hosting is used.[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 10:48, 3 April 2026 (UTC)
::Based on the [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Public_consultation_about_Wikinews#c-Sj-20260401032800-Victoria-20260330090000 latest developments], it seems that Wikimedia New York City may take on the future stewardship of Wikinews. That would also mean it is managed by an organization and a non-profit. -- [[User:Asked42|Asked42]] ([[User talk:Asked42|talk]]) 18:27, 3 April 2026 (UTC)
::: [[User:NotAracham|NotAracham]] [[Wikinews talk:Migration#c-NotAracham-20260405165600-Sj-20260403011300|noted below]] {{tq|Miraheze would not impose a charge to act as host, but as a donor-driven platform, donations are always welcome to help us keep pace with expanding demand.}}
::: That reduces immediate financial pressure on any new organization. It does not address the more fundamental issue. Without the structural oversight and constraints provided by the Wikimedia Foundation, I do not see a viable path forward for en.WN. In its current state, the project has not demonstrated the capacity for consistent and productive self-regulation.
::: If Wikimedia NYC is to assume “stewardship” of Wikinews, that role needs to be clearly defined before any decision to migrate. Specifically, the scope of its authority, responsibilities, and limits should be made explicit to the community. It is also unclear how this arrangement would differ in practice from the current relationship with the Wikimedia Foundation, given that Wikimedia NYC is an affiliated chapter.[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 07:45, 6 April 2026 (UTC)

= 3. Volunteers willing to do budgeting and acounting: find out how much this will cost. =

*I would contribute towards budget efforts .[[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 22:22, 25 November 2025 (UTC)
*I might be willing to make a small donation to these efforts, but in terms of time -- I'm not too sure. I intend to take this time to (mostly) step away from most News wiki activities and do a bit of introspection. It's been about 16 years. I want to take a careful look at time/priorities etc.--[[User:Bddpaux|Bddpaux]] ([[User talk:Bddpaux|talk]]) 15:45, 26 November 2025 (UTC)
*:Thanks [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 20:51, 26 November 2025 (UTC)
*I suggest opening a donation channel at that time; I can also contribute a spare change. ~ [[User:Sheminghui.WU|Sheminghui.WU]] ([[User talk:Sheminghui.WU|talk]]) 06:18, 29 November 2025 (UTC)
*:Thanks Sheminghui [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 06:59, 29 November 2025 (UTC)
*::Do you folks have an NGO yet? If you dont would recommend the USA as the location to be based as fund raising from their is easiest and becoming a 503(c) is not that hard. [[User:Doc James|Doc James]] ([[User talk:Doc James|talk]]) 23:49, 18 December 2025 (UTC)

= 4. System administration to install software and work around security vulnerabilities =

I would contribute towards admin tasks including Linux system administration and MediaWiki [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 22:22, 25 November 2025 (UTC)
:Can users use Wikipedia login on an externally hosted wiki? [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 22:24, 25 November 2025 (UTC)
:: In principle yes you could use OAuth for something like that. One example is at https://mdwiki.org, although in that case they only pre-approve accounts you could configure it differently. [[User:Pppery|* Pppery *]] [[User talk:Pppery|&lt;sub style=&quot;color:#800000&quot;&gt;it has begun...&lt;/sub&gt;]] 03:55, 27 November 2025 (UTC)
:::Anyway can use OAuth to log onto MDWiki with their Wikipedia user name, but you can only edit a couple of pages (your user page and a request for editing page) until you are granted editing privileges. [[User:Doc James|Doc James]] ([[User talk:Doc James|talk]]) 23:46, 18 December 2025 (UTC)
:In response to [[ru:User talk:Alexis Jazz#Hello]]: [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]], I have no strong ties to Wikinews. Also no knowledge of ru which seems to be the largest wikinews language. And I've always wondered how a news website in wiki form could realistically work as articles likely go stale before they can get improved through the magic of wiki. From the looks of it, this is still an issue.&lt;br style=&quot;margin-bottom:0.5em&quot;/&gt;Generally I'm happy to answer some questions, but actually coding for and maintaining a Wikinews successor would be a major undertaking which is not really for me.&lt;span id=&quot;Alexis_Jazz:1764267275161:Wikinews_talkFTTCLNMigration&quot; class=&quot;FTTCmt&quot;&gt; —&amp;nbsp;[[User:Alexis Jazz|Alexis Jazz]] ([[User talk:Alexis Jazz|talk]]) 18:14, 27 November 2025 (UTC)&lt;/span&gt;
::Okay thank you [[User:Alexis Jazz|Alexis Jazz]]. What makes improving articles so difficult in wiki? What solution would you suggest? [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 07:00, 29 November 2025 (UTC)
:::[[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]], hire some paid editors to write and publish [[w:en:wp:stub|stubs]] for all major news stories throughout the day. That way the site becomes functional as a news source, and the bar to improve a stub is lower than the bar to create an article from scratch. But I don't know who'd be willing to pay for such a thing. Volunteers tend to only write about subjects they care about, and nobody cares about ''everything''. Combined with the presence of a [[w:en:Wikipedia:There is no deadline|deadline]], as news needs to be published before it turns into [[wikt:olds#Noun 2|olds]], it makes a general news wiki very difficult to maintain with just volunteers whose time and interests are limited.&lt;span id=&quot;Alexis_Jazz:1764428567237:Wikinews_talkFTTCLNMigration&quot; class=&quot;FTTCmt&quot;&gt; —&amp;nbsp;[[User:Alexis Jazz|Alexis Jazz]] ([[User talk:Alexis Jazz|talk]]) 15:02, 29 November 2025 (UTC)&lt;/span&gt;
::::Maybe news companies could sponsor these editors, and then copy the finished products for their outlets? [[User:GrinningIodize|GrinningIodize]] ([[User talk:GrinningIodize|talk]]) 15:42, 6 December 2025 (UTC)
:::::i was thinking a tool could at least help with handling the markup if not picking the news events themselves [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 00:37, 11 December 2025 (UTC)
: &lt;span style=&quot;font-family:serif&quot;&gt;I&lt;/span&gt; can do some Unix, SQL, HTTPd and MediaWiki job. &lt;span style=&quot;font-family:serif&quot;&gt;I&lt;/span&gt; am the technical director of cyclowiki.org for 4 years. IMHO using Wikimedia SULs on a non-Wikimedia site is a poor choice (not only technically, but in other respects too). [[User:Incnis Mrsi|Incnis Mrsi]] ([[User talk:Incnis Mrsi|talk]]) 09:08, 30 November 2025 (UTC)
::Hi @[[User:Incnis Mrsi|Incnis Mrsi]], is it possible though? And what issues would it cause? [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 00:38, 11 December 2025 (UTC)
:::It is possible. We at MDWiki do it and we are happy with the results. But than our work is fairly integrated into the Wikipedia work. [[User:Doc James|Doc James]] ([[User talk:Doc James|talk]]) 23:48, 18 December 2025 (UTC)
:: &lt;span style=&quot;font-family:serif&quot;&gt;I&lt;/span&gt; hereby remind of my four-months-old proposal, although am too busy specifically next several days to do anything of value. Give me a Unix shell or an SQL access and &lt;span style=&quot;font-family:serif&quot;&gt;I&lt;/span&gt; won’t fail you. --[[User:Incnis Mrsi|Incnis Mrsi]] ([[User talk:Incnis Mrsi|talk]]) 15:33, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::: Incnis Mrsi is a highly qualified and helpful contributor who has been supporting cyclowiki.org for many years. He's always ready to help in difficult situations, even when many prefer to sit back or remain silent. He's always willing to engage with a wide range of participants and develop any constructive ideas. I think his proposal is worth supporting. [[User:Serebr|Serebr]] ([[User talk:Serebr|talk]]) 03:17, 1 April 2026 (UTC)

= 5. Name =

No idea if same trademark can be used... [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 22:24, 25 November 2025 (UTC)

:@[[User:Asked42|Asked42]] as you asked above, FYI there was fork of Wikinews in past, one was called OpenGlobe. If it is same people working on it then I do not mind, any name. For example [[:w:freenode]] moved to [[:w:Libera]] with a name change and successfully moved over 80% of tens thousands users to new site. It would be good to confirm that. Another aspect is in Question 4 whether users will need to register new account. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 20:54, 26 November 2025 (UTC)
::I don't think Miraheze would allow IP's actually Miraheze is a '''wiki farm host'''. Sorry for the excessive pings, @[[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 20:58, 26 November 2025 (UTC)
:::https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fandom_(website) [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 21:02, 26 November 2025 (UTC)
:::Anonymous editing can be enabled or disabled through ManageWiki on Miraheze which is normally open to all crats. ManageWiki is an easy to use extension we built so you can manage some config from on wiki. [[User:RhinosF1|RhinosF1]] ([[User talk:RhinosF1|talk]]) 19:31, 27 November 2025 (UTC)
::If we move forward with this migration, we will need a new name and logo.
::Any user from here will be able to create an account on the new Wikinews instance on Miraheze. But, there is no automatic way to transfer all existing users with us. -- [[User:Asked42|Asked42]] ([[User talk:Asked42|talk]]) 03:33, 27 November 2025 (UTC)
:::If Miraheze is chosen, we will work with you guys to ensure you can claim imported edits and have them attributed to a future Miraheze accounts. Of course, you'll need to sign up again. We won't be able to transfer any user preferences or anything from Wikimedia. [[User:RhinosF1|RhinosF1]] ([[User talk:RhinosF1|talk]]) 19:29, 27 November 2025 (UTC)
:::: What happens with edits made by users who choose not to join the fork? If they are left as-is, are there processes in place to ensure those usernames are unavailable? For example, If I choose not to join the fork, are all of my current edits still attributed to my username and is that username essentially &quot;taken&quot; on Miraheze so that others can't register my name and claim my edits?[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 13:47, 3 December 2025 (UTC)
:::::They would show an interwiki link back to the archived wikinews. [[User:RhinosF1|RhinosF1]] ([[User talk:RhinosF1|talk]]) 15:22, 3 December 2025 (UTC)
:::This is correct, while edit history can be 'attributed' to Miraheze accounts created following a migration, we don't have a way to reserve usernames/migrate wikimedia logins automatically - it will require individual registration. --[[User:NotAracham|NotAracham]] ([[User talk:NotAracham|talk]]) 19:31, 27 November 2025 (UTC)
:::: Have you tried implementing OAuth for wikimedia accounts? [[User:Sj|sj]] ([[User talk:Sj|talk]]) 20:05, 10 December 2025 (UTC)

:We have asked Wikimedia what rules would have to be followed if a migration did take place with regard to trademarks. [[User:RhinosF1|RhinosF1]] ([[User talk:RhinosF1|talk]]) 19:32, 27 November 2025 (UTC)
::Thank you all @[[User:RhinosF1|RhinosF1]] [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 19:33, 27 November 2025 (UTC)
::: Related: the broader Wikimedia community should weigh in on where to redirect Wikinews traffic. This is one of the strongest reasons to try something new at the current domains. I would hope the domain is put to use supporting an active community news effort, wherever it is hosted; historical pages can redirect. Unfortunately all of the news-related forks or comparables I know of also closed for lack of activity...  [[User:Sj|sj]] ([[User talk:Sj|talk]]) 20:05, 10 December 2025 (UTC)
There are tools built into mediawiki ie [[Special:Import]] that allows the entire history from one wiki to be moved to another. Lower on [https://mdwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Gout&amp;action=history&amp;offset=&amp;limit=500 this page] you can see what it looks like. [[User:Doc James|Doc James]] ([[User talk:Doc James|talk]]) 23:44, 18 December 2025 (UTC)

= 6. Other =

A small comment I'd like to make is that most interwiki-links on Wikinews (as far as I can see) are the same on Miraheze. (See: [https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:Interwiki Special:Interwiki]) As far as I can tell, this would not affect any of the Wikinews articles, when they are moved to Miraheze. [[User:Rodejong|Rodejong]] ([[User talk:Rodejong|talk]]) 11:50, 28 November 2025 (UTC)

= 7. Wikifarm requirements, classes of hosting =

One of the sticking points in discussions about the future of Wikinews was what level of hosting and customization was supported or expected; WMF having a high minimum bar for supporting production servers [and hosting all servers on shared infrastructure where a change to one site can throttle or take down others].  A number of community projects have indicated that, e.g., WM Cloud Services is not great for hosting an actively edited wikifarm.  But if a number of free knowledge projects need a wiki farm with good archival practices, it might make sense for this to change, or to have an official partnership b/t WMF or the WM affiliate network and such a group. 

To this end, defining the needed level of service provision (including multilingual support) would be a good step. [[User:Sj|sj]] ([[User talk:Sj|talk]]) 20:12, 10 December 2025 (UTC)

:Would WMCloud be allowed here? WMCloud is supposed to be related to a wikimedia project, if Wikinews gets shutdown its no longer a wikinews project. That said, WM Cloud is probably sufficient to host a wiki the size of Wikinews even with active editing, but it would require sysadmins who know how to manage mediawiki. [[user:bawolff|Bawolff]] [[user talk:Bawolff|☺]][[User:Bawolff/Sandbox|☻]] 22:21, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:: This question came up in another thread; even if this is possible it would be good to know exactly what level of service is needed for a neutral wikifarm like Miraheze to host WN, what that costs, &amp;c.  [[User:Sj|sj]] ([[User talk:Sj|talk]]) 01:13, 3 April 2026 (UTC)
:::Having already done some discussions and sizing, while the larger news wikis would be substantial adds, none would surpass the larger projects already on our service and we have plenty of capacity to take the entire fleet of Wikinews language families should we be selected.  The Miraheze of 2026 is running on a much-improved infrastructure stack over what some might be familiar with from a few years back. 
:::Miraheze would not impose a charge to act as host, but as a donor-driven platform, donations are always welcome to help us keep pace with expanding demand. :) Our [https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Finance finances] and [https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/WikiTide_Foundation/Budget budgets] are public for those interested.
:::--[[User:NotAracham|NotAracham]] ([[User talk:NotAracham|talk]]) 16:56, 5 April 2026 (UTC)
::::@[[User:NotAracham|NotAracham]], just throwing it out there but any '''start date''' or url? Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 21:31, 5 April 2026 (UTC)

{{anchor|hardware}}Requirements depend on the fate of the old news. Minor requirements while Wikimedia keeps the archives, but Wikinews would need to maintain or rent a strong database management system if Wikimedia ejects all WN wikis (including the past content, especially of the Russian Wikinews) completely. --[[User:Incnis Mrsi|Incnis Mrsi]] ([[User talk:Incnis Mrsi|talk]]) 17:03, 4 April 2026 (UTC)

=[[MDWiki:Main_Page]]=
We forked health content to MDWiki a few years ago. With respect to cost each Wiki is about 25 to 40 USD/month and this includes updates, sys admin stuff, and security. One gets 10 GB of SDD space and then it is 1$ per GB after that. You get 100 GB of bandwidth after whic it is 0.05$ per GB. Specialied software work is about 100$ per hour but they have limited capacity for this work. 

With respect to using the name and logo, if you have consensus here to all go in the same direction, I would be supportive. If folks want to go in different directions than things would be a bit more complicated. 

Do you want to move all languages to a single wiki (less expensive) or keep each language in its own wiki? We use SkizNet which is USA based. [[User:Doc James|Doc James]] ([[User talk:Doc James|talk]]) 23:38, 18 December 2025 (UTC)

:Do you have a comment how come Miraheze provides hosting for free, @[[User:Doc James|Doc James]]? Thanks. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 10:32, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::@[[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]]: They are also volunteer-based and rely on donations from users to run their servers. See also: https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/FAQ -- [[User:Asked42|Asked42]] ([[User talk:Asked42|talk]]) 10:35, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::Like anything else, if you want to do something custom or boss people around you need to pay for it. Miraheze hosting is more similar to WMF hosting where its solid but they aren't going to suddenly bend to your whims if you dont like the existing choices. [[user:bawolff|Bawolff]] [[user talk:Bawolff|☺]][[User:Bawolff/Sandbox|☻]] 16:37, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

== Everyone please check this out! Thank you. ==

https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:RequestWikiQueue/78142

I have requested a new English Wikinews. Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 21:40, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

:While I appreciate your interest in Miraheze. I do not think it is wise to make a unilateral move when the community is still weighing on the best hosting option. There is still more than a month of time to decide. [[User:PetraMagna|PetraMagna]] ([[User talk:PetraMagna|talk]]) 22:43, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::Sorry but im pretty sure they have decided. Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 22:45, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::@[[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]], While I appreciate the enthusiasm for saving this project, I'll reiterate Petra - users ''should not'' request a wikinews fork at Miraheze on behalf of the project while discussion is ongoing and we are still waiting for WMF clearance on branding, especially if the person making the request isn't currently an administrator/crat on the wikinews project they're requesting it for.
:::While your intentions are good, this will be interpreted as hostile forking and will be declined/deleted. 
:::--[[User:NotAracham|NotAracham]] ([[User talk:NotAracham|talk]]) 04:58, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:I agree with others. Things are still uncertain regarding the migration. When and how it will take place. The community is still discussing it, so please be patient. -- [[User:Asked42|Asked42]] ([[User talk:Asked42|talk]]) 07:40, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

== How to get the entire enwn backed up? ==

CC @[[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] @[[User:Asked42|Asked42]] @[[User:Koavf|Koavf]] -- Hi, does anyone know how I can get the backup of the entire enwn (along with history, local files, logs -- what have you) so that I can keep a copy of it on my local system, and perhaps run it via, say a docker setup?  I'd appreciate it if someone could help me with this.&lt;br&gt;[[User talk:Acagastya|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #000; box-shadow: 0 0 7px #5de; padding-left:2.5px; padding-right:2.5px; border-radius:10px;&quot;&gt;•&amp;ndash;•&lt;/span&gt;]] 09:29, 2 April 2026 (UTC)

:https://dumps.wikimedia.org/ —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 11:18, 2 April 2026 (UTC)
::Would you be able to guide me how to run it locally, perhaps? [[User talk:Acagastya|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #000; box-shadow: 0 0 7px #5de; padding-left:2.5px; padding-right:2.5px; border-radius:10px;&quot;&gt;•&amp;ndash;•&lt;/span&gt;]] 12:07, 2 April 2026 (UTC)
:I don’t think the dumps page contains the data for logs or other non page info (may be wrong, if so I’d be glad for someone to correct me). There is probably a way to get this considering replica’s of the databases containing all information for a wiki are publicly accessible, but that may be more involved. I also don’t believe images are provided as an easy dump, but there are pieces of software that can create backups of all page content and images (https://wiki.archiveteam.org/index.php/WikiTeam being the main one). I intend to probably run a dump of the wikinewses closer to the read only date and have it uploaded to the Internet Archive, assuming WikiTeam or someone else doesn’t do so first. [[User:PixDeVl|PixDeVl]] ([[User talk:PixDeVl|talk]]) 12:47, 2 April 2026 (UTC)
::Dumps server contains multiple files with a variety of data. I think the only thing really missing is user data and anything that has been deleted/oversighted. [[user:bawolff|Bawolff]] [[user talk:Bawolff|☺]][[User:Bawolff/Sandbox|☻]] 17:14, 2 April 2026 (UTC)
:::What does user data mean?  I won't care about the IP logs, nor should that be publicly available -- but say the scripts that pizero worked on -- lack of that might break the functionality.  But does that mean the dumps can recreate the entire wiki?  And also, dumps.wm has nothing after 26.01 -- is it not updated monthly?  If so, will it be available post May 4.&lt;br&gt;[[User talk:Acagastya|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #000; box-shadow: 0 0 7px #5de; padding-left:2.5px; padding-right:2.5px; border-radius:10px;&quot;&gt;•&amp;ndash;•&lt;/span&gt;]] 17:27, 2 April 2026 (UTC)
::::It doesn't have your password, email,user preferences, that sort of thing. If its non-public information its not in the dumps. I'm not sure what the update frequency is. I think its slower than monthly. I imagine its documented somewhere. [[user:bawolff|Bawolff]] [[user talk:Bawolff|☺]][[User:Bawolff/Sandbox|☻]] 18:29, 2 April 2026 (UTC)

== Clarification: WM NYC and Miraheze joint bid and requests on Miraheze ==

Hello all, as mentioned [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Migration_of_Wikinews_and_future_hosts#Current_Updates on Meta-wiki], WM NYC and Miraheze representatives are in joint discussions with WMF on a potential bid for an approved revival of the Wikinews projects with permission to utilize the same name and branding. 

While the community's enthusiasm for saving the project is appreciated and understood (hell, I've saved a project from the Fandom memory-hole myself), Miraheze '''''will not approve any new project requests from individuals (especially those who are not admins or crats on the language-specific WN projects)''''' until we have clear and full signoff from the WMF. 

Thank you for your patience while discussions are ongoing. 

--[[User:NotAracham|NotAracham]] ([[User talk:NotAracham|talk]]) 16:40, 5 April 2026 (UTC)

== Coordination Group ==

Should we create a Telegram group so everyone interested in continuing this project can gather there, or should we simply refresh this page periodically to stay updated on where we should migrate? [[User:Rtnf|Rtnf]] ([[User talk:Rtnf|talk]]) 04:34, 7 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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      <text bytes="47535" sha1="8bkn11pw9y04iexcssih8gahxencp46" xml:space="preserve">&lt;center&gt; &lt;big&gt; Please share your opinion regarding the migration on Meta at [[meta:Migration of Wikinews and future hosts]]. &lt;/big&gt; &lt;/center&gt;

= 1. Name and geographical location of new hosting. =
I have no idea about this, please advise. How can this be done when half of users have slow internet and are geographically dispersed. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 22:22, 25 November 2025 (UTC)

:A Meta page has been created for discussion about the migration. Please share your votes and comments there. [[meta:Migration of Wikinews and future hosts]]. --[[User:Asked42|Asked42]] ([[User talk:Asked42|talk]]) 14:57, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

=== Miraheze ===
:Maybe we could consider migrating to https://miraheze.org/. Their Meta page is here: https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Miraheze_Meta.
:They provide free hosting, although I am not sure whether we would need to purchase our own domain name. They also do not run advertisements and operate entirely on donations.
:However, a major clarification is required: If Wikinews is closed, will the WMF also relinquish copyright to the name 'Wikinews' and its logo? If not, I'm not sure how we could proceed. Perhaps someone with legal knowledge, or someone from the WMF, could advise on this? -- [[User:Asked42|Asked42]] ([[User talk:Asked42|talk]]) 07:13, 26 November 2025 (UTC)
::Is it easy to install our own mediawiki extensions there. Do they provide shell access. The name question is in section 5 below. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 20:52, 26 November 2025 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]]: Yes, almost all MediaWiki extensions are available there. There are also users with strong MediaWiki knowledge who can help us move forward technically. -- [[User:Asked42|Asked42]] ([[User talk:Asked42|talk]]) 03:29, 27 November 2025 (UTC)
:::: &quot;almost all MediaWiki extensions&quot; is an exaggeration. But it is true that Miraheze is significantly more willing to install new extensions than Wikimedia is: https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Extensions is an incomplete list. Miraheze, while they won't provide you shell access, will let you self-service many things that require shell access on Wikimedia, such as config changes - they have a fairly flexible https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/ManageWiki interface. [[User:Pppery|* Pppery *]] [[User talk:Pppery|&lt;sub style=&quot;color:#800000&quot;&gt;it has begun...&lt;/sub&gt;]] 03:53, 27 November 2025 (UTC)
:::::True. What I mean is at least enough to support Wikinews or such that Wikinews is going to need. -- [[User:Asked42|Asked42]] ([[User talk:Asked42|talk]]) 14:18, 27 November 2025 (UTC)
::Miraheze might be our last good option just saying. @[[User:Asked42|Asked42]], @[[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 20:55, 26 November 2025 (UTC)
:::Also, everyone, the WMF board has '''not yet''' made a final decision, and the current community opinion is mostly in our favor, so please don't give up participating in various discussions on metawiki. ~ [[User:Sheminghui.WU|Sheminghui.WU]] ([[User talk:Sheminghui.WU|talk]]) 01:02, 1 December 2025 (UTC)
::::They will close WikiNews tomorrow. All pages will be read-only. I can register the wiki at https://wikinews.miraheze.org, if you would like. [[User:SeaDragon1|SeaDragon1]] ([[User talk:SeaDragon1|talk]]) 19:24, 3 April 2026 (UTC)
:::::To reiterate NotAracham’s comment in this thread, while Miraheze is very willing to provide hosting to Wikinews, we ask that the actual wiki request be submitted by a bureaucrat (or representative of WikiNYC if the WN community choses to pursue an arrangement with them). With all due respect, for the sake of clarify and not making things more confusing for the Wikinews community, we won’t be accepting one-off requests by users that don’t have the backing of the community’s consensus. [[User:PixDeVl|PixDeVl]] ([[User talk:PixDeVl|talk]]) 21:26, 3 April 2026 (UTC)
::I personally oppose the usage of Miraheze because it contains trackers that are hard for users to disable. [[User:GrinningIodize|GrinningIodize]] ([[User talk:GrinningIodize|talk]]) 16:04, 6 December 2025 (UTC)
:::Hi @[[User:GrinningIodize|GrinningIodize]], what are they tracking and how does this work? [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 09:52, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I forget the exact details because I wrote that message nearly 5 months ago, but I think that it's some sort of analytics ping that you need to block at the browser or DNS level. [[User:GrinningIodize|GrinningIodize]] ([[User talk:GrinningIodize|talk]]) 12:11, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::We collect minimal aggregate tracking data through cookies for cloudflare + matomo analytics as well as session persistence, @[[User:RhinosF1|RhinosF1]] would be better positioned to answer this. Our [https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Privacy_Policy Privacy Policy] also covers our 'when and how' for usage of this data. --[[User:NotAracham|NotAracham]] ([[User talk:NotAracham|talk]]) 18:40, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::If all other measures fail... we might have to try [[w:Fandom (website)|Fandom]]. [[User:SeaDragon1|SeaDragon1]] ([[User talk:SeaDragon1|talk]]) 19:59, 3 April 2026 (UTC)
:[[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]], Wikimedia is hosted in the US due to favorable freedom of speech and copyright laws. A [[w:Content delivery network]] can improve performance around the world, though that doesn't accelerate dynamic content served to users who are logged in. See [[m:Wikimedia servers]] for example.&lt;span id=&quot;Alexis_Jazz:1764267938397:Wikinews_talkFTTCLNMigration&quot; class=&quot;FTTCmt&quot;&gt; —&amp;nbsp;[[User:Alexis Jazz|Alexis Jazz]] ([[User talk:Alexis Jazz|talk]]) 18:25, 27 November 2025 (UTC)&lt;/span&gt;

Hi folks, this is NotAracham, Director of Trust &amp; Safety at Miraheze. We've reviewed internally and are confident that we will be able to offer hosting (from both a policy and technical standpoint) should you choose to select us once things are worked out with the WMF. I and my colleagues are happy to answer any questions the WikiNews community might have towards reaching a decision. --[[User:NotAracham|NotAracham]] ([[User talk:NotAracham|talk]]) 19:14, 27 November 2025 (UTC)
:You are a life saver thank you @[[User:NotAracham|NotAracham]] [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 19:16, 27 November 2025 (UTC)
:I think we should wait until the final decision of the Board, and if it ultimately is about closing, then I have no objection to migrate. This would be the best second possibility after Wikinews is not getting closed. Thank you for your help. -- [[User:Asked42|Asked42]] ([[User talk:Asked42|talk]]) 19:24, 27 November 2025 (UTC)
::Agreed, Miraheze can save us for backup plan @[[User:Asked42|Asked42]] [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 19:26, 27 November 2025 (UTC)
:I'm an Infrastructure engineer for Miraheze and am also watching this page. You can also find me on Libera.Chat (in both #wikinews and #miraheze) or Discord if you have questions. [[User:RhinosF1|RhinosF1]] ([[User talk:RhinosF1|talk]]) 19:34, 27 November 2025 (UTC)
:[[User:NotAracham|NotAracham]], it would probably be a good idea to clarify whether you are talking about English Wikinews or all Wikinews language variants. Also note that ruwikinews has on the order of 1000x more articles than most other language editions. Can Miraheze deal with [[:w:en:Russian web brigades]] ?&lt;span id=&quot;Alexis_Jazz:1764272830948:Wikinews_talkFTTCLNMigration&quot; class=&quot;FTTCmt&quot;&gt; —&amp;nbsp;[[User:Alexis Jazz|Alexis Jazz]] ([[User talk:Alexis Jazz|talk]]) 19:47, 27 November 2025 (UTC)&lt;/span&gt;
::Agreed, we need to focus on English Wikinews. [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 19:59, 27 November 2025 (UTC)
::Technically, I don't think any of them would be an issue. From a counter vandalism perspective, we would look to how we could support any wiki and make sure you have the tools available that you need. [[User:RhinosF1|RhinosF1]] ([[User talk:RhinosF1|talk]]) 20:03, 27 November 2025 (UTC)
::I'll defer to my tech colleagues on our technical capacity to host, though the general opinion seems that it would be well within possibility to host the full spectrum of languages if they choose to move to our service.  Regarding the counter-vandalism aspect, our service uses Cloudflare (for both default and custom domains) to mitigate DDoS attempts, which has proven unfortunately necessary with some past antagonists.  While we have an existing global CVT team to handle the more routine on-wiki trouble, we only have so many members with limited time to offer. It sounds like the Russian wikinews is one of the rare scenarios where it'd be prudent to assign some members of their moderation team [https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/CheckUser#Permission delegated local CheckUser]. --[[User:NotAracham|NotAracham]] ([[User talk:NotAracham|talk]]) 20:24, 27 November 2025 (UTC)
:::[[User:NotAracham|NotAracham]], first let me declare that I don't know for sure how ruwikinews is doing currently. But you should be very careful before assigning CheckUser to anyone involved with Russian projects. The paper bear is certainly interested:&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;[https://fortune.com/europe/2023/04/14/moscow-court-fines-wikipedia-refusing-remove-russia-language-article-invasion-ukraine/ Moscow court fines Wikipedia for refusing to remove a Russian-language article about the invasion of Ukraine]&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;[https://www.reuters.com/technology/russia-threatens-fine-wikipedia-if-it-doesnt-delete-false-information-2022-04-05/ Russia threatens to fine Wikipedia if it doesn't delete 'false information']&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;[https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2025/06/23/a89531 Russian Court Fines Wikipedia Operator Nearly $40K Over ‘P***philia Propaganda’]&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;Just don't give CheckUser to the paper bear, as they could use it to prosecute dissenters. As for the current state of ruwikinews, some of the most recent articles:&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;[[:n:ru:Необычный урок патриотизма провёл русский путешественник-экстремал, вернувшийся из Африки]] ([[:n:ru:Категория:Виктор Пинчук (1969)|author]] writing about himself)&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;[[:n:ru:В Крыму, расположенном недалеко от района боевых действий, прошла «Ночь искусств»]]: a Chinese Wikimedian, Sheminghui.WU, interviewing that user. Perhaps something is getting lost in translation, because this is the end of the last answer according to Google translate:&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;{{q|1=From my personal observations, the majority of Crimean residents (myself included) are ethnic Russians. Therefore, there has generally always been a negative attitude toward the imposed &quot;Ukrainianism&quot; here.&lt;br/&gt;I'm not familiar with cultural life in eastern Ukraine or in the towns located along the front lines, but here in Crimea, everything is peaceful. Enemy drones are being shot down by professionally trained specialists.&lt;br/&gt;We will win!&lt;br/&gt;Hakuna matata!&lt;br/&gt;No pasaran!|4=Виктор Пинчук|5=[https://ru.wikinews.org/wiki/%D0%92_%D0%9A%D1%80%D1%8B%D0%BC%D1%83,_%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%B6%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%BC_%D0%BD%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B0%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BA%D0%BE_%D0%BE%D1%82_%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B9%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D0%B1%D0%BE%D0%B5%D0%B2%D1%8B%D1%85_%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%B9%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B9,_%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%88%D0%BB%D0%B0_%C2%AB%D0%9D%D0%BE%D1%87%D1%8C_%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%83%D1%81%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B2%C2%BB]}}&lt;br/&gt;derp I have to stop looking at this rabbit hole&lt;span id=&quot;Alexis_Jazz:1764284255586:Wikinews_talkFTTCLNMigration&quot; class=&quot;FTTCmt&quot;&gt; —&amp;nbsp;[[User:Alexis Jazz|Alexis Jazz]] ([[User talk:Alexis Jazz|talk]]) 22:57, 27 November 2025 (UTC)&lt;/span&gt;
::::Ha, absolutely an area one could spend way too much time digging into, and a very fair point to bring up.  Local checkuser has not been given out in the history of Miraheze, and would absolutely be a last resort. While it's a thing we'd ''consider'' if proven necessary, any grants here would have a much higher degree of scrutiny than standard cases given the well-documented hostility of the national actor in question. 
::::--[[User:NotAracham|NotAracham]] ([[User talk:NotAracham|talk]]) 23:32, 27 November 2025 (UTC)
::As Russian Wikinews will also be closed, it will also need a new home. I will wait for their contributors to comment whether they want to do migration together and to the same host. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 05:04, 28 November 2025 (UTC)
:::Correction: *may also be closed [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 05:05, 28 November 2025 (UTC)
:Thanks @[[User:NotAracham|NotAracham]]] and @[[User:RhinosF1|RhinosF1]] for following this page [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 05:05, 28 November 2025 (UTC)
:@[[User:NotAracham|NotAracham]] Dear friend, will other language versions of Wikinews, especially ruwn and zhwn which have more views than enwn, can also be hosted? Thank you. ~ [[User:Sheminghui.WU|Sheminghui.WU]] ([[User talk:Sheminghui.WU|talk]]) 02:48, 29 November 2025 (UTC)
::Yes, we are willing to provide hosting for all language flavors of wikinews should their communities choose to move to our service. --[[User:NotAracham|NotAracham]] ([[User talk:NotAracham|talk]]) 18:43, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:Hi @[[User:NotAracham|NotAracham]], thank you for your notes.
:1. Do you have a comment on @[[User:GrinningIodize|GrinningIodize]]'s concern about trackers? 
:2. Could you confirm that you do not require content obligations in return, such as, censorship of content or necessitating to include your news on our site? 
:3. What features do you provide for multilingual content? Currently there are different sysops in each language edition of Wikinews, as they are separate wikis.
:Apparently, move needs to happen before May 4 and [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Board_noticeboard#Board_of_Trustees_Approves_Closure_of_Wikinews after that date content will be left read-only, here]. I asked whether Wikinews trademark can be used. 
:Thanks. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 09:56, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::4. In Miraheze can users insert Wikimedia Commons images into new pages? In Wikinews it is possible with same syntax as if it was a local image. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 10:02, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]]: Yes, it is possible to both upload local images and use files from Wikimedia Commons. --[[User:Asked42|Asked42]] ([[User talk:Asked42|talk]]) 10:07, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::This is cool. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 10:08, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::Cc @[[User:Pppery|Pppery]] thanks [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 10:02, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::# I've asked Rhinos to weigh in on trackers, but generally we collect the minimum data required to operate our service.  Information collected in this way is used as described in [https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Privacy_Policy our privacy policy] and is not sent/resold to outside parties.  If there are more specific concerns to be discussed, I defer to my tech colleague.
::# We do have some limits on what may be hosted on our service, outlined in [https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Content_Policy our content policy]. We also (as a non-profit) cannot host content specifically designed to achieve a political outcome, e.g. supporting a specific candidate or specific legislative action.  Beyond these two items, we do not impose any further restrictions on your speech nor will we mandate that specific stories be written.  However, it should be made clear, we cannot offer any form of legal cover should authored content result in legal action against the authors by a third party.
::# While we do have the Translate extension, the current structure is likely the cleanest way to continue operating.  We do support interwiki/interlanguage linking as well, which can ease connection between versions. 
::# Regarding licensing and/or permission for continued use of brand/trademark, that's something the WikiNews community will have to work out with the WMF, we do not negotiate in this way on behalf of our hosted projects.
::I think I've answered everything, but let me know if a question was missed.
::--[[User:NotAracham|NotAracham]] ([[User talk:NotAracham|talk]]) 19:26, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::Miraheze Tech here. To add to what NotAracham has said, we have [[miraheze:Help:How_to_support_multiple_languages_on_my_wiki|a multi-language guide]] which covers some of the options that are possible on Miraheze:
::# Separate wikis connected via interwiki language links.
::# Use the same wiki for all languages. Pages are connected via interwiki language links by pointing interwiki links to the same wiki.
::# Use the same wiki for all languages. Pages are synced with the translate extension.
::# Separate wikis connected via wikibase. I am not aware of any wiki that uses this option, but we do have wikibase available with a few hundred wikis that enabled the extension (whether they use it extensively is another story). I believe this option is what Wikinews uses right now. If there is enough interest, I can see if it is possible to replicate the wikinews setup on Miraheze's wikibase install.
::[[User:PetraMagna|PetraMagna]] ([[User talk:PetraMagna|talk]]) 22:36, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::As for trackers, wiki bureaucrats can grant the &lt;code&gt;noanalytics&lt;/code&gt; right to everyone (&lt;code&gt;*&lt;/code&gt;) with ManageWiki, which will exempt all users from our tracking software (Matomo). I tested it on [https://exttest.mirabeta.org/ Miraheze's extension testing wiki] and am no longer seeing Matomo-related requests for both logged-in and anonymous users.
::With that said, this will only happen on the local wiki. If the user clicks on a link to, for example, the Privacy Policy page which is hosted on Miraheze Meta, they will be subject to the tracker again since it is on a different wiki. [[User:PetraMagna|PetraMagna]] ([[User talk:PetraMagna|talk]]) 23:17, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

Question; would it be possible to mirrow this wiki, so when i make an edit here, it is also automatically made at Miraheze from my account; is it possible to allow users to login using OAuth so that they do not need to register a new account; what testing is required for a custom extension to be installed on site; where is it located geographically. Does it remain free of charge. how does this organization generate income. Thanks [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 05:10, 28 November 2025 (UTC)

:# Going to consider this question moot as the WMF-hosted service will go read-only in near future.  As mentioned elsewhere, we can assist with attributing edits to the MH-equivalent users following migration where there's interest in doing so.
:# We utilize CentralAuth as our account infrastructure, users need only one account for any wiki hosted on our platform. Services can verify the MH account through OAuth as well.  We do not, however, support OAuth for Wikimedia project accounts on our platform, a Miraheze account will need to be created.
:# Custom extensions will need to go through our security review process, and will generally need to demonstrate some form of global usefulness to be considered for approval.
:# We are based out of the United States of America and incorporated in the state of Idaho, the majority of our hardware infrastructure is located in the Salt lake City, Utah area.
:# We are a 501(c)3 nonprofit charitable organization, we do not and will not charge for our service, the majority of our funds come from individual user donations.  Our [https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Finance finances are public information], as are our [https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/WikiTide_Foundation/Budget/2026 annual budgets].
:--[[User:NotAracham|NotAracham]] ([[User talk:NotAracham|talk]]) 19:44, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

In my opinion, miraheze is the most viable path forwards for wikinews. [[user:bawolff|Bawolff]] [[user talk:Bawolff|☺]][[User:Bawolff/Sandbox|☻]] 16:35, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

IMO moving Wikinews to Miraheze is just swapping one centralized authority for another. You're not fixing the problem, you're relocating it. Instead of the Wikimedia Foundation, you end up under Miraheze's policies, infrastructure, and admins. Different host, same dependency. If Wikinews is supposed to be a truly independent, community-driven news platform, then it needs its own infrastructure and governance - not another host that can pull the plug or change the rules whenever it wants. We don't even know if Miraheze can reliably handle a project of this scale (enwikinews only? all active language versions?). What infrastructure do they actually have? What guarantees are there for long-term stability, performance, and uptime? Calling this a solution is just self-deception. [[User:BZPN|BZPN]] ([[User talk:BZPN|talk]]) 06:33, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

:The existing Wikinews community lacks the capability to do better than Miraheze or even come close. [[user:bawolff|Bawolff]] [[user talk:Bawolff|☺]][[User:Bawolff/Sandbox|☻]] 22:16, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:Loyal opposition here. Sorry your project is closing, I hope you perhaps consider my suggestion to transition to a more news-magazine inspired format on whatever your new host is. But I agree with Bawolff. To quote the former administrator of Earth: May I remind you that the alternative, if it can be called that, is total extinction? [[User:Dronebogus|Dronebogus]] ([[User talk:Dronebogus|talk]]) 13:12, 2 April 2026 (UTC)

No opinion on whether English (and others, except for ru) Wikinews should go to Miraheze, but certainly '''oppose migration of [[:ru:|ru.WN]] to Miraheze'''. Not exactly sure about conditions as of 2026, but the farm was long known to be dominated by English speakers and had zero representation of the Slavs in its establishment. Their staffers botched and failed import of Absurdopedia (the Russian Uncyclopedia), which eventually became self-hosted. &lt;span style=&quot;font-family:serif&quot;&gt;I&lt;/span&gt; had some ugly interactions with Mirahezeans, myself. Meanwhile it generally is a respectable farm and &lt;span style=&quot;font-family:serif&quot;&gt;I&lt;/span&gt; hold specifically {{u|John F. Lewis}}, who made a good job, in respect. --[[User:Incnis Mrsi|Incnis Mrsi]] ([[User talk:Incnis Mrsi|talk]]) 17:31, 2 April 2026 (UTC)

:Ironic, given the controversies surrounding John (He has a history of abusing positions of trust and got himself office banned from all Wikimedia projects). Regardless, is there another serious offer on the table? Otherwise Miraheze wins by default. Like you've made some comments that imply you might be willing to offer hosting or at least work on this. Are you actually offering to host Wikinews? Does this offer come with strings or financial requirements? Unless other offers materialize with details, it kind of seems like the choice is Miraheze or nothing. [[user:bawolff|Bawolff]] [[user talk:Bawolff|☺]][[User:Bawolff/Sandbox|☻]] 05:14, 3 April 2026 (UTC)
::What would the hardware requirements be for hosting WikiNews? Could the administrators WN provide some more specific information? [[User:Charmeleon69|Charmeleon69]] ([[User talk:Charmeleon69|talk]]) 06:53, 3 April 2026 (UTC)
::: Commented [[#hardware|here]] because this isn’t a proper thread. --[[User:Incnis Mrsi|Incnis Mrsi]] ([[User talk:Incnis Mrsi|talk]]) 17:03, 4 April 2026 (UTC)

= 2. Volunteers willing to pay for new hosting. This can be from charities, Wikimedia Charters, or personal expenses. =

I would volunteer towards hosting costs. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 22:22, 25 November 2025 (UTC)

:This will not work in my opinion. After all, that's the approach taken for wn-reporters and email, and I think it's safe to say that it hasn't been successful. [[User:Leaderboard|Leaderboard]] ([[User talk:Leaderboard|talk]]) 16:32, 30 November 2025 (UTC)
::The lowest cost I am aware of would be 25 USD per month, so 300 USD per year. Though it sounds like Miraheze maybe free and I know a few Wikipedians are on their board. [[User:Doc James|Doc James]] ([[User talk:Doc James|talk]]) 23:51, 18 December 2025 (UTC)
: If hosting is going to be paid for, I think a new, non-profit organization should be formed, to to handle funding and oversight. If hosting is paid for by one or more individuals who are not organized under a charter or governing structure, it creates obvious risks: lack of accountability, unclear ownership, and potential instability if those individuals step away or disagree.
: Forming a new non-profit may be a wise choice even if free hosting is used.[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 10:48, 3 April 2026 (UTC)
::Based on the [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Public_consultation_about_Wikinews#c-Sj-20260401032800-Victoria-20260330090000 latest developments], it seems that Wikimedia New York City may take on the future stewardship of Wikinews. That would also mean it is managed by an organization and a non-profit. -- [[User:Asked42|Asked42]] ([[User talk:Asked42|talk]]) 18:27, 3 April 2026 (UTC)
::: [[User:NotAracham|NotAracham]] [[Wikinews talk:Migration#c-NotAracham-20260405165600-Sj-20260403011300|noted below]] {{tq|Miraheze would not impose a charge to act as host, but as a donor-driven platform, donations are always welcome to help us keep pace with expanding demand.}}
::: That reduces immediate financial pressure on any new organization. It does not address the more fundamental issue. Without the structural oversight and constraints provided by the Wikimedia Foundation, I do not see a viable path forward for en.WN. In its current state, the project has not demonstrated the capacity for consistent and productive self-regulation.
::: If Wikimedia NYC is to assume “stewardship” of Wikinews, that role needs to be clearly defined before any decision to migrate. Specifically, the scope of its authority, responsibilities, and limits should be made explicit to the community. It is also unclear how this arrangement would differ in practice from the current relationship with the Wikimedia Foundation, given that Wikimedia NYC is an affiliated chapter.[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 07:45, 6 April 2026 (UTC)

= 3. Volunteers willing to do budgeting and acounting: find out how much this will cost. =

*I would contribute towards budget efforts .[[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 22:22, 25 November 2025 (UTC)
*I might be willing to make a small donation to these efforts, but in terms of time -- I'm not too sure. I intend to take this time to (mostly) step away from most News wiki activities and do a bit of introspection. It's been about 16 years. I want to take a careful look at time/priorities etc.--[[User:Bddpaux|Bddpaux]] ([[User talk:Bddpaux|talk]]) 15:45, 26 November 2025 (UTC)
*:Thanks [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 20:51, 26 November 2025 (UTC)
*I suggest opening a donation channel at that time; I can also contribute a spare change. ~ [[User:Sheminghui.WU|Sheminghui.WU]] ([[User talk:Sheminghui.WU|talk]]) 06:18, 29 November 2025 (UTC)
*:Thanks Sheminghui [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 06:59, 29 November 2025 (UTC)
*::Do you folks have an NGO yet? If you dont would recommend the USA as the location to be based as fund raising from their is easiest and becoming a 503(c) is not that hard. [[User:Doc James|Doc James]] ([[User talk:Doc James|talk]]) 23:49, 18 December 2025 (UTC)

= 4. System administration to install software and work around security vulnerabilities =

I would contribute towards admin tasks including Linux system administration and MediaWiki [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 22:22, 25 November 2025 (UTC)
:Can users use Wikipedia login on an externally hosted wiki? [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 22:24, 25 November 2025 (UTC)
:: In principle yes you could use OAuth for something like that. One example is at https://mdwiki.org, although in that case they only pre-approve accounts you could configure it differently. [[User:Pppery|* Pppery *]] [[User talk:Pppery|&lt;sub style=&quot;color:#800000&quot;&gt;it has begun...&lt;/sub&gt;]] 03:55, 27 November 2025 (UTC)
:::Anyway can use OAuth to log onto MDWiki with their Wikipedia user name, but you can only edit a couple of pages (your user page and a request for editing page) until you are granted editing privileges. [[User:Doc James|Doc James]] ([[User talk:Doc James|talk]]) 23:46, 18 December 2025 (UTC)
:In response to [[ru:User talk:Alexis Jazz#Hello]]: [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]], I have no strong ties to Wikinews. Also no knowledge of ru which seems to be the largest wikinews language. And I've always wondered how a news website in wiki form could realistically work as articles likely go stale before they can get improved through the magic of wiki. From the looks of it, this is still an issue.&lt;br style=&quot;margin-bottom:0.5em&quot;/&gt;Generally I'm happy to answer some questions, but actually coding for and maintaining a Wikinews successor would be a major undertaking which is not really for me.&lt;span id=&quot;Alexis_Jazz:1764267275161:Wikinews_talkFTTCLNMigration&quot; class=&quot;FTTCmt&quot;&gt; —&amp;nbsp;[[User:Alexis Jazz|Alexis Jazz]] ([[User talk:Alexis Jazz|talk]]) 18:14, 27 November 2025 (UTC)&lt;/span&gt;
::Okay thank you [[User:Alexis Jazz|Alexis Jazz]]. What makes improving articles so difficult in wiki? What solution would you suggest? [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 07:00, 29 November 2025 (UTC)
:::[[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]], hire some paid editors to write and publish [[w:en:wp:stub|stubs]] for all major news stories throughout the day. That way the site becomes functional as a news source, and the bar to improve a stub is lower than the bar to create an article from scratch. But I don't know who'd be willing to pay for such a thing. Volunteers tend to only write about subjects they care about, and nobody cares about ''everything''. Combined with the presence of a [[w:en:Wikipedia:There is no deadline|deadline]], as news needs to be published before it turns into [[wikt:olds#Noun 2|olds]], it makes a general news wiki very difficult to maintain with just volunteers whose time and interests are limited.&lt;span id=&quot;Alexis_Jazz:1764428567237:Wikinews_talkFTTCLNMigration&quot; class=&quot;FTTCmt&quot;&gt; —&amp;nbsp;[[User:Alexis Jazz|Alexis Jazz]] ([[User talk:Alexis Jazz|talk]]) 15:02, 29 November 2025 (UTC)&lt;/span&gt;
::::Maybe news companies could sponsor these editors, and then copy the finished products for their outlets? [[User:GrinningIodize|GrinningIodize]] ([[User talk:GrinningIodize|talk]]) 15:42, 6 December 2025 (UTC)
:::::i was thinking a tool could at least help with handling the markup if not picking the news events themselves [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 00:37, 11 December 2025 (UTC)
: &lt;span style=&quot;font-family:serif&quot;&gt;I&lt;/span&gt; can do some Unix, SQL, HTTPd and MediaWiki job. &lt;span style=&quot;font-family:serif&quot;&gt;I&lt;/span&gt; am the technical director of cyclowiki.org for 4 years. IMHO using Wikimedia SULs on a non-Wikimedia site is a poor choice (not only technically, but in other respects too). [[User:Incnis Mrsi|Incnis Mrsi]] ([[User talk:Incnis Mrsi|talk]]) 09:08, 30 November 2025 (UTC)
::Hi @[[User:Incnis Mrsi|Incnis Mrsi]], is it possible though? And what issues would it cause? [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 00:38, 11 December 2025 (UTC)
:::It is possible. We at MDWiki do it and we are happy with the results. But than our work is fairly integrated into the Wikipedia work. [[User:Doc James|Doc James]] ([[User talk:Doc James|talk]]) 23:48, 18 December 2025 (UTC)
:: &lt;span style=&quot;font-family:serif&quot;&gt;I&lt;/span&gt; hereby remind of my four-months-old proposal, although am too busy specifically next several days to do anything of value. Give me a Unix shell or an SQL access and &lt;span style=&quot;font-family:serif&quot;&gt;I&lt;/span&gt; won’t fail you. --[[User:Incnis Mrsi|Incnis Mrsi]] ([[User talk:Incnis Mrsi|talk]]) 15:33, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::: Incnis Mrsi is a highly qualified and helpful contributor who has been supporting cyclowiki.org for many years. He's always ready to help in difficult situations, even when many prefer to sit back or remain silent. He's always willing to engage with a wide range of participants and develop any constructive ideas. I think his proposal is worth supporting. [[User:Serebr|Serebr]] ([[User talk:Serebr|talk]]) 03:17, 1 April 2026 (UTC)

= 5. Name =

No idea if same trademark can be used... [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 22:24, 25 November 2025 (UTC)

:@[[User:Asked42|Asked42]] as you asked above, FYI there was fork of Wikinews in past, one was called OpenGlobe. If it is same people working on it then I do not mind, any name. For example [[:w:freenode]] moved to [[:w:Libera]] with a name change and successfully moved over 80% of tens thousands users to new site. It would be good to confirm that. Another aspect is in Question 4 whether users will need to register new account. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 20:54, 26 November 2025 (UTC)
::I don't think Miraheze would allow IP's actually Miraheze is a '''wiki farm host'''. Sorry for the excessive pings, @[[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 20:58, 26 November 2025 (UTC)
:::https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fandom_(website) [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 21:02, 26 November 2025 (UTC)
:::Anonymous editing can be enabled or disabled through ManageWiki on Miraheze which is normally open to all crats. ManageWiki is an easy to use extension we built so you can manage some config from on wiki. [[User:RhinosF1|RhinosF1]] ([[User talk:RhinosF1|talk]]) 19:31, 27 November 2025 (UTC)
::If we move forward with this migration, we will need a new name and logo.
::Any user from here will be able to create an account on the new Wikinews instance on Miraheze. But, there is no automatic way to transfer all existing users with us. -- [[User:Asked42|Asked42]] ([[User talk:Asked42|talk]]) 03:33, 27 November 2025 (UTC)
:::If Miraheze is chosen, we will work with you guys to ensure you can claim imported edits and have them attributed to a future Miraheze accounts. Of course, you'll need to sign up again. We won't be able to transfer any user preferences or anything from Wikimedia. [[User:RhinosF1|RhinosF1]] ([[User talk:RhinosF1|talk]]) 19:29, 27 November 2025 (UTC)
:::: What happens with edits made by users who choose not to join the fork? If they are left as-is, are there processes in place to ensure those usernames are unavailable? For example, If I choose not to join the fork, are all of my current edits still attributed to my username and is that username essentially &quot;taken&quot; on Miraheze so that others can't register my name and claim my edits?[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 13:47, 3 December 2025 (UTC)
:::::They would show an interwiki link back to the archived wikinews. [[User:RhinosF1|RhinosF1]] ([[User talk:RhinosF1|talk]]) 15:22, 3 December 2025 (UTC)
:::This is correct, while edit history can be 'attributed' to Miraheze accounts created following a migration, we don't have a way to reserve usernames/migrate wikimedia logins automatically - it will require individual registration. --[[User:NotAracham|NotAracham]] ([[User talk:NotAracham|talk]]) 19:31, 27 November 2025 (UTC)
:::: Have you tried implementing OAuth for wikimedia accounts? [[User:Sj|sj]] ([[User talk:Sj|talk]]) 20:05, 10 December 2025 (UTC)

:We have asked Wikimedia what rules would have to be followed if a migration did take place with regard to trademarks. [[User:RhinosF1|RhinosF1]] ([[User talk:RhinosF1|talk]]) 19:32, 27 November 2025 (UTC)
::Thank you all @[[User:RhinosF1|RhinosF1]] [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 19:33, 27 November 2025 (UTC)
::: Related: the broader Wikimedia community should weigh in on where to redirect Wikinews traffic. This is one of the strongest reasons to try something new at the current domains. I would hope the domain is put to use supporting an active community news effort, wherever it is hosted; historical pages can redirect. Unfortunately all of the news-related forks or comparables I know of also closed for lack of activity...  [[User:Sj|sj]] ([[User talk:Sj|talk]]) 20:05, 10 December 2025 (UTC)
There are tools built into mediawiki ie [[Special:Import]] that allows the entire history from one wiki to be moved to another. Lower on [https://mdwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Gout&amp;action=history&amp;offset=&amp;limit=500 this page] you can see what it looks like. [[User:Doc James|Doc James]] ([[User talk:Doc James|talk]]) 23:44, 18 December 2025 (UTC)

= 6. Other =

A small comment I'd like to make is that most interwiki-links on Wikinews (as far as I can see) are the same on Miraheze. (See: [https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:Interwiki Special:Interwiki]) As far as I can tell, this would not affect any of the Wikinews articles, when they are moved to Miraheze. [[User:Rodejong|Rodejong]] ([[User talk:Rodejong|talk]]) 11:50, 28 November 2025 (UTC)

= 7. Wikifarm requirements, classes of hosting =

One of the sticking points in discussions about the future of Wikinews was what level of hosting and customization was supported or expected; WMF having a high minimum bar for supporting production servers [and hosting all servers on shared infrastructure where a change to one site can throttle or take down others].  A number of community projects have indicated that, e.g., WM Cloud Services is not great for hosting an actively edited wikifarm.  But if a number of free knowledge projects need a wiki farm with good archival practices, it might make sense for this to change, or to have an official partnership b/t WMF or the WM affiliate network and such a group. 

To this end, defining the needed level of service provision (including multilingual support) would be a good step. [[User:Sj|sj]] ([[User talk:Sj|talk]]) 20:12, 10 December 2025 (UTC)

:Would WMCloud be allowed here? WMCloud is supposed to be related to a wikimedia project, if Wikinews gets shutdown its no longer a wikinews project. That said, WM Cloud is probably sufficient to host a wiki the size of Wikinews even with active editing, but it would require sysadmins who know how to manage mediawiki. [[user:bawolff|Bawolff]] [[user talk:Bawolff|☺]][[User:Bawolff/Sandbox|☻]] 22:21, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:: This question came up in another thread; even if this is possible it would be good to know exactly what level of service is needed for a neutral wikifarm like Miraheze to host WN, what that costs, &amp;c.  [[User:Sj|sj]] ([[User talk:Sj|talk]]) 01:13, 3 April 2026 (UTC)
:::Having already done some discussions and sizing, while the larger news wikis would be substantial adds, none would surpass the larger projects already on our service and we have plenty of capacity to take the entire fleet of Wikinews language families should we be selected.  The Miraheze of 2026 is running on a much-improved infrastructure stack over what some might be familiar with from a few years back. 
:::Miraheze would not impose a charge to act as host, but as a donor-driven platform, donations are always welcome to help us keep pace with expanding demand. :) Our [https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Finance finances] and [https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/WikiTide_Foundation/Budget budgets] are public for those interested.
:::--[[User:NotAracham|NotAracham]] ([[User talk:NotAracham|talk]]) 16:56, 5 April 2026 (UTC)
::::@[[User:NotAracham|NotAracham]], just throwing it out there but any '''start date''' or url? Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 21:31, 5 April 2026 (UTC)

{{anchor|hardware}}Requirements depend on the fate of the old news. Minor requirements while Wikimedia keeps the archives, but Wikinews would need to maintain or rent a strong database management system if Wikimedia ejects all WN wikis (including the past content, especially of the Russian Wikinews) completely. --[[User:Incnis Mrsi|Incnis Mrsi]] ([[User talk:Incnis Mrsi|talk]]) 17:03, 4 April 2026 (UTC)

=[[MDWiki:Main_Page]]=
We forked health content to MDWiki a few years ago. With respect to cost each Wiki is about 25 to 40 USD/month and this includes updates, sys admin stuff, and security. One gets 10 GB of SDD space and then it is 1$ per GB after that. You get 100 GB of bandwidth after whic it is 0.05$ per GB. Specialied software work is about 100$ per hour but they have limited capacity for this work. 

With respect to using the name and logo, if you have consensus here to all go in the same direction, I would be supportive. If folks want to go in different directions than things would be a bit more complicated. 

Do you want to move all languages to a single wiki (less expensive) or keep each language in its own wiki? We use SkizNet which is USA based. [[User:Doc James|Doc James]] ([[User talk:Doc James|talk]]) 23:38, 18 December 2025 (UTC)

:Do you have a comment how come Miraheze provides hosting for free, @[[User:Doc James|Doc James]]? Thanks. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 10:32, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::@[[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]]: They are also volunteer-based and rely on donations from users to run their servers. See also: https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/FAQ -- [[User:Asked42|Asked42]] ([[User talk:Asked42|talk]]) 10:35, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::Like anything else, if you want to do something custom or boss people around you need to pay for it. Miraheze hosting is more similar to WMF hosting where its solid but they aren't going to suddenly bend to your whims if you dont like the existing choices. [[user:bawolff|Bawolff]] [[user talk:Bawolff|☺]][[User:Bawolff/Sandbox|☻]] 16:37, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

== Everyone please check this out! Thank you. ==

https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:RequestWikiQueue/78142

I have requested a new English Wikinews. Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 21:40, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

:While I appreciate your interest in Miraheze. I do not think it is wise to make a unilateral move when the community is still weighing on the best hosting option. There is still more than a month of time to decide. [[User:PetraMagna|PetraMagna]] ([[User talk:PetraMagna|talk]]) 22:43, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::Sorry but im pretty sure they have decided. Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 22:45, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::@[[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]], While I appreciate the enthusiasm for saving this project, I'll reiterate Petra - users ''should not'' request a wikinews fork at Miraheze on behalf of the project while discussion is ongoing and we are still waiting for WMF clearance on branding, especially if the person making the request isn't currently an administrator/crat on the wikinews project they're requesting it for.
:::While your intentions are good, this will be interpreted as hostile forking and will be declined/deleted. 
:::--[[User:NotAracham|NotAracham]] ([[User talk:NotAracham|talk]]) 04:58, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:I agree with others. Things are still uncertain regarding the migration. When and how it will take place. The community is still discussing it, so please be patient. -- [[User:Asked42|Asked42]] ([[User talk:Asked42|talk]]) 07:40, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

== How to get the entire enwn backed up? ==

CC @[[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] @[[User:Asked42|Asked42]] @[[User:Koavf|Koavf]] -- Hi, does anyone know how I can get the backup of the entire enwn (along with history, local files, logs -- what have you) so that I can keep a copy of it on my local system, and perhaps run it via, say a docker setup?  I'd appreciate it if someone could help me with this.&lt;br&gt;[[User talk:Acagastya|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #000; box-shadow: 0 0 7px #5de; padding-left:2.5px; padding-right:2.5px; border-radius:10px;&quot;&gt;•&amp;ndash;•&lt;/span&gt;]] 09:29, 2 April 2026 (UTC)

:https://dumps.wikimedia.org/ —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 11:18, 2 April 2026 (UTC)
::Would you be able to guide me how to run it locally, perhaps? [[User talk:Acagastya|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #000; box-shadow: 0 0 7px #5de; padding-left:2.5px; padding-right:2.5px; border-radius:10px;&quot;&gt;•&amp;ndash;•&lt;/span&gt;]] 12:07, 2 April 2026 (UTC)
:I don’t think the dumps page contains the data for logs or other non page info (may be wrong, if so I’d be glad for someone to correct me). There is probably a way to get this considering replica’s of the databases containing all information for a wiki are publicly accessible, but that may be more involved. I also don’t believe images are provided as an easy dump, but there are pieces of software that can create backups of all page content and images (https://wiki.archiveteam.org/index.php/WikiTeam being the main one). I intend to probably run a dump of the wikinewses closer to the read only date and have it uploaded to the Internet Archive, assuming WikiTeam or someone else doesn’t do so first. [[User:PixDeVl|PixDeVl]] ([[User talk:PixDeVl|talk]]) 12:47, 2 April 2026 (UTC)
::Dumps server contains multiple files with a variety of data. I think the only thing really missing is user data and anything that has been deleted/oversighted. [[user:bawolff|Bawolff]] [[user talk:Bawolff|☺]][[User:Bawolff/Sandbox|☻]] 17:14, 2 April 2026 (UTC)
:::What does user data mean?  I won't care about the IP logs, nor should that be publicly available -- but say the scripts that pizero worked on -- lack of that might break the functionality.  But does that mean the dumps can recreate the entire wiki?  And also, dumps.wm has nothing after 26.01 -- is it not updated monthly?  If so, will it be available post May 4.&lt;br&gt;[[User talk:Acagastya|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #000; box-shadow: 0 0 7px #5de; padding-left:2.5px; padding-right:2.5px; border-radius:10px;&quot;&gt;•&amp;ndash;•&lt;/span&gt;]] 17:27, 2 April 2026 (UTC)
::::It doesn't have your password, email,user preferences, that sort of thing. If its non-public information its not in the dumps. I'm not sure what the update frequency is. I think its slower than monthly. I imagine its documented somewhere. [[user:bawolff|Bawolff]] [[user talk:Bawolff|☺]][[User:Bawolff/Sandbox|☻]] 18:29, 2 April 2026 (UTC)

== Clarification: WM NYC and Miraheze joint bid and requests on Miraheze ==

Hello all, as mentioned [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Migration_of_Wikinews_and_future_hosts#Current_Updates on Meta-wiki], WM NYC and Miraheze representatives are in joint discussions with WMF on a potential bid for an approved revival of the Wikinews projects with permission to utilize the same name and branding. 

While the community's enthusiasm for saving the project is appreciated and understood (hell, I've saved a project from the Fandom memory-hole myself), Miraheze '''''will not approve any new project requests from individuals (especially those who are not admins or crats on the language-specific WN projects)''''' until we have clear and full signoff from the WMF. 

Thank you for your patience while discussions are ongoing. 

--[[User:NotAracham|NotAracham]] ([[User talk:NotAracham|talk]]) 16:40, 5 April 2026 (UTC)

= Coordination Group =

Should we create a Telegram group so everyone interested in continuing this project can gather there, or should we simply refresh this page periodically to stay updated on where we should migrate? [[User:Rtnf|Rtnf]] ([[User talk:Rtnf|talk]]) 04:34, 7 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 17:24, 17 February 2026 (UTC)

:Я владею онегинской строфой, и среднее количество строф написанных одним предложением у меня на уровне А. С. Пушкина, но мои произведения опубликованы на спаме Stihi.ru. К качеству моих онегинских строф рецензенты претензий не имеют. Об этом я писал в своей статье, которую признали  оригинальным исследованием. Мне надо их выложить так чтобы их было видно для Википедии. Без этого я не могу нигде ничего написать. Пока я обратился в Минкульт, не помогут, обращусь к Президенту. [[User:Alison 1936|Alison 1936]] ([[User talk:Alison 1936|talk]]) 16:37, 6 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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== User: Lun1Zun!e (on whales) ==

'''on Wheels''' example please check user, on '''whales''' please. Possible vandal only account. Thank you. [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 13:00, 18 February 2026 (UTC)
: {{User2|Lun1Zun!e (on whales)}} 
: The account is globally locked.[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 14:16, 18 February 2026 (UTC)
::Thank you. [[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] ([[User talk:BigKrow|talk]]) 17:06, 18 February 2026 (UTC)
== Notice of removal of local checkusers ==

Hello, as a steward I would like to notify you that the checkuser rights of {{user|Cromium}} have been removed, pursuant to [[m:CheckUser_policy#Removal_of_access|policy]] after one year of inactivity. As a minimum of two local checkusers are required per policy, the checkuser rights of {{user|Acagastya}} have been suspended. This leaves the wiki with no local CUs; please redirect future CU requests to the stewards at [[m:SRCU]]. Thanks to both checkusers for their services! [[User:EPIC|EPIC]] ([[User talk:EPIC|talk]]) 23:55, 23 February 2026 (UTC)

:OK [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 00:37, 24 February 2026 (UTC)

== Anohthterwikipedian ==

Flooding recent changes Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 01:53, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
: {{User2| Anohthterwikipedian }}
: From what I can tell, this is legitimate editing, just high-volume.[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 14:31, 28 February 2026 (UTC)

== User:KevFrikky WikiMode ==

Promotional account ive seen other things that were deleted. Created account about a month ago. Thank you. Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 02:12, 28 February 2026 (UTC)

:Courtesy link: {{vandal|KevFrikky WikiMode}} —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 03:26, 28 February 2026 (UTC)
:{{done}} —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 03:27, 28 February 2026 (UTC)
== [[:Category:Media files on Wikimedia Commons]] ==

May need to delete files in it. [[User:Anohthterwikipedian|Anohthterwikipedian]] just keeps adding to it, so this may be a recurring task. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 23:38, 25 February 2026 (UTC)

:Stop flooding Anohthterwikipedian @[[User:Anohthterwikipedian|Anohthterwikipedian]] Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 01:51, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
::I don't see a problem: if there are files on Commons, then we need to know that. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 03:36, 28 February 2026 (UTC)
:{{done}} All files now deleted and [https://en.wikinews.org/w/index.php?title=Thousands_march_to_demonstrate_opposition_to_U.S.-led_wars&amp;diff=4990387&amp;oldid=4811636 one instance of a file name was fixed locally]. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 03:56, 28 February 2026 (UTC)
::Thanks! This is great. Are there any remaining files that still need to be imported to Commons? [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 10:27, 28 February 2026 (UTC)
:::They were all present on Commons at the time. There could very well be more locally here. I'd have to take a look at [https://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Special:AllPages?from=&amp;to=&amp;namespace=6 our list of files] after the server refreshes. Checking briefly, it looks like the entirety of [[:Category:2017 Bangalore ComicCon (media)]] could and should be moved to Commons: I don't know why it was ever uploaded locally.
:::In principle, media could be deleted on Commons and for us to maintain a correct snapshot of the article as it was written, we would need a local copy, but that should be done on a case-by-case basis, not by replicating Commons locally. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 20:39, 28 February 2026 (UTC)

== User:Morganwallen444 ==

Most likely not the real person, needs to change username? Thanks. Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 19:19, 1 March 2026 (UTC)

:*{{User|Morganwallen444}}
:[[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 19:25, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
:I left the user a message. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 19:31, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::Thank you. Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 19:31, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
== Matthew McConaugheycm ==

celebrity name nit allowed. [[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-13417-65|&amp;#126;2026-13417-65]] ([[User talk:&amp;#126;2026-13417-65|talk]]) 01:42, 2 March 2026 (UTC)
{{ping|Matthew McConaugheycm}}

:I've copied [https://en.wikinews.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AMorganwallen444&amp;diff=4991210&amp;oldid=4991188 this message] to Matthew McConaugheycm's talk page. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 14:06, 2 March 2026 (UTC)

== ~2026-13775-19 ==

Vandal account @[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]], @[[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 22:09, 3 March 2026 (UTC)
: {{User2|~2026-13775-19}} 
: Blocked 24 hours for vandalism.[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 01:40, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
== @[[User:Anohthterwikipedian]] ==

@[[User:Anohthterwikipedian|Anohthterwikipedian]] 

Check User for possible sock accounts please.

@[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 03:11, 4 March 2026 (UTC)

:Also by the way a flooder on recent changes. Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 03:12, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
: {{User2|Anohthterwikipedian}}
: I am not a CheckUser and therefore I can not check for sock accounts. 
: We now use global check user services (through Stewards), which you are welcome to request here: [[m:SRCU]]. 
: I have asked they clarify the use of &lt;nowiki&gt;[[wikipediawikipedia:]]&lt;/nowiki&gt; style interwiki links (which appear to work) but otherwise I've seen nothing—to include the volume—that is problematic. ''Frustratiing,'' maybe...especially to people who follow Recent changes, but not a blockable offense that I'm aware of. But as one of the newer admins here, I'd defer to another admin who could show policy or precedent that proves otherwise.[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 14:23, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
::Um, RC &lt;span class=&quot;plainlinks&quot;&gt;'''[https://en.wikinews.org/w/index.php?hidebots=1&amp;hidecategorization=1&amp;hideWikibase=1&amp;tagfilter=fileimporter-remote&amp;inverttags=1&amp;limit=500&amp;days=30&amp;title=Special%3ARecentChanges&amp;urlversion=2 can exclude FileImporter edits]'''&lt;/span&gt;. Is that sufficient without necessitating the user to apply for bot flag? [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 14:54, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
: I have asked @[[User:Anohthterwikipedian|Anohthterwikipedian]] at their talk page to slow down or pause while this discussion is underway. I have also protected [[Wikinews:Protection policy]] for three days to allow a cool-down, as it was nearing an edit war.[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 20:21, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
::{{Reply to|Michael.C.Wright}} When exactly will this discussion end&amp;quest; I&amp;CloseCurlyQuote;m assuming it&amp;CloseCurlyQuote;s when I&amp;CloseCurlyQuote;m confirmed to not be a sockpuppet&amp;comma; but {{Reply to|BigKrow|p=}} hasn&amp;CloseCurlyQuote;t formally requested a Checkuser on [[:m:SRCU|SRCU]]&amp;comma; nor have they replied to my messages asking why they think I&amp;CloseCurlyQuote;m a vandalism&amp;hyphen;only account&amp;comma; so am I just supposed to wait&amp;quest;
::[[User:Anohthterwikipedian|Anohthterwikipedian]] ([[User talk:Anohthterwikipedian|talk]]) 23:49, 6 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Hi, for your reference, from my perspective, 
:::1. I am okay with the file imports to Commons. The resulting flooding of 'recent changes' can be easily filtered out. As long as Commons does not wish to delete these uploads afterwards, this appears harmless to me.
:::2. I am okay with the reverted edit to the [[Wikinews:Protection policy]]. The link [[:w:Edit war]] is more useless than [[:wikipediawikipedia:Edit war]] (or [[:w:WP:Edit war]] as i would have put it, same thing). I was also looking at the user's other edits to project pages and these other edits appeared reasonable minor edits to improve linking and resolve other minor issues.
:::Hope this is helpful. I am happy to clarify or discuss further if desired. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 10:36, 7 March 2026 (UTC)
::::{{Reply to|Gryllida}} So when will this discussion end&amp;quest;
::::[[User:Anohthterwikipedian|Anohthterwikipedian]] ([[User talk:Anohthterwikipedian|talk]]) 02:24, 8 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::I don't know. If I was asked to close it, I would say everything is okay, there was no problem to solve. But I am not the only participant here. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 06:50, 8 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::{{Reply to|Gryllida}} If that&amp;CloseCurlyQuote;s the case&amp;comma; what&amp;CloseCurlyQuote;s the point of this discussion&amp;quest;
::::::[[User:Anohthterwikipedian|Anohthterwikipedian]] ([[User talk:Anohthterwikipedian|talk]]) 07:18, 8 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Waiting for Michael.C.Wright to comment, as he had some 'issue' here. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 07:21, 8 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::Pinging {{Reply to|Michael.C.Wright|p=}} right now&amp;period;
::::::::[[User:Anohthterwikipedian|Anohthterwikipedian]] ([[User talk:Anohthterwikipedian|talk]]) 08:27, 8 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::: What issue did I have here?[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 21:17, 9 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::No comment from me on this. You may need to answer Anohthterwikipedian query above, as he/she is seeking clarification from you whether this discussion ended, if not, when it will end. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 21:27, 9 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::Ok I'm sorry I will stop speculating thanks @[[User:Anohthterwikipedian|Anohthterwikipedian]]
::::::::::@[[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]]
::::::::::@[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 21:52, 9 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::{{Reply to|Michael.C.Wright}} Given that the issue that {{Reply to|BigKrow|p=}} had with me has been resolved&amp;comma; does that mean this discussion has ended&amp;quest;
:::::::::::[[User:Anohthterwikipedian|Anohthterwikipedian]] ([[User talk:Anohthterwikipedian|talk]]) 22:53, 9 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::agreed let's move on. Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 23:11, 9 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::: It would appear so. I'm not sure what issue Gryllida is [[#c-Gryllida-20260308072100-Anohthterwikipedian-20260308071800|referring to above]] and she doesn't want to clarify so I see no reason to drag this out any more.[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 23:58, 9 March 2026 (UTC)

== User:Cuddennecluc ==

exclusive in name please check Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 20:51, 13 March 2026 (UTC)

:Sorry, what? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 21:16, 13 March 2026 (UTC)
::promotional account has ecluc in username just checking. Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 21:17, 13 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Okay, but I don't know what the problem with &quot;ecluc&quot; is. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 21:18, 13 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I was hoping someone could check the user account? Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 21:19, 13 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::This project does not have local [[:m:CheckUser|CheckUsers]], so no one here can use that tool. You can request it from stewards on [[:m:]] but you will have to have a pretty substantial reason other than his username includes &quot;ecluc&quot;. I still don't see the problem here. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 21:26, 13 March 2026 (UTC)
: {{User2|Cuddennecluc}}
: From what I can tell, the user is [[Wikinews:Requested_articles#Lexington_NYC_Spotlight:_Ciao_Niu's_Exclusive_with_Masao_Takayama_on_Contemporary_Music|requesting an article covering an event]]. Maybe it's something [[User:Tduk|Tduk]] would like to cover. 
: @[[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]], I also don't understand what the concern is with the username.[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 23:37, 13 March 2026 (UTC)
::ok Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 23:44, 13 March 2026 (UTC)

== ~2026-15833-89 ==

* {{userlinks|~2026-15833-89}}
Creating non-news articles. [[User:Codename Noreste|Codename Noreste]] ([[User talk:Codename Noreste|talk]]) 00:37, 14 March 2026 (UTC)
: Account blocked and pages deleted. Thanks.[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 01:40, 14 March 2026 (UTC)

== User:Sufficiently Late Dates ==

creating non news articles Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 01:00, 14 March 2026 (UTC)

:thank you @[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 01:56, 14 March 2026 (UTC)
:: {{User2|Sufficiently Late Dates}}
:: Blocked indefinitely for long term abuse. 
:: Sorry Don, I started a reply then didn't finish it. 🤦‍♂️[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 02:01, 14 March 2026 (UTC)
:::it's fine and thanks again! Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 02:02, 14 March 2026 (UTC)
== ~2026-16626-79 ==

* {{User|~2026-16626-79}}
Vandalism, already blocked on meta. [[User:Àncilu|Àncilu]] ([[User talk:Àncilu|talk]]) 14:24, 16 March 2026 (UTC)

:{{done}} [[User:Ternera|Ternera]] ([[User talk:Ternera|talk]]) 14:29, 16 March 2026 (UTC)

== ~2026-16583-17 talk block log uploads logs global block log global account abuse log global contributions ==

~2026-16583-17 talk block log uploads logs global block log global account abuse log global contributions

Recreation of out of. Scope articles. Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 17:35, 16 March 2026 (UTC)
: @[[User:~2026-16583-17|~2026-16583-17]], @[[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]], I have deleted both articles as promotional. 
: ~2026-16583-17, the [https://www.linkedin.com/posts/atharva-deore-987161350_a-news-article-published-on-wikinews-highlights-activity-7438638671697829888-RmGO/?rcm=ACoAAFeWfjcBmYPyJjVlmOjcftWcHRkcrFUPruk linkedin] link used in one of the articles as a &quot;source&quot; is a clear indication this is self-promotion, which is not permitted here. 
: Further attempts to publish promotional content here may result in administrative action.[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 18:22, 17 March 2026 (UTC)
== Request to unprotect [[WN:WRITE]] ==

It&amp;CloseCurlyQuote;s been 5 years since it was locked down&amp;comma; I suggest lowering the protection level as an experiment to see if it will still be vandalised&amp;period;
[[User:Anohthterwikipedian|Anohthterwikipedian]] ([[User talk:Anohthterwikipedian|talk]]) 00:55, 17 March 2026 (UTC)
: I’m not sure that alone is a sufficient reason to lower the protection level. Is there a specific edit you’d like to make that the protection is preventing?[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 01:44, 17 March 2026 (UTC)
::{{Reply to|Michael.C.Wright}} Just copyediting&amp;comma; mainly just replacing the em dash with space&amp;comma; but also specifying that &amp;OpenCurlyDoubleQuote;free&amp;CloseCurlyDoubleQuote; means &amp;OpenCurlyDoubleQuote;free to be redistributed&amp;comma; edited&amp;comma; '''and sold''' at will&amp;CloseCurlyDoubleQuote;&amp;period;
::[[User:Anohthterwikipedian|Anohthterwikipedian]] ([[User talk:Anohthterwikipedian|talk]]) 01:54, 17 March 2026 (UTC) ]
:::License info is available in the footer, however, I don't think WN:WRITE has anything that needs to be changed at will by people.  If something needs to be, WN:WC would be the place for that and an admin can make changes accordingly.&lt;br&gt;[[User talk:Acagastya|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #000; box-shadow: 0 0 7px #5de; padding-left:2.5px; padding-right:2.5px; border-radius:10px;&quot;&gt;•&amp;ndash;•&lt;/span&gt;]] 02:29, 17 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Note that by replacing the em dash with space&amp;comma; I mean replacing &amp;OpenCurlyDoubleQuote; &amp;mdash; &amp;CloseCurlyDoubleQuote; with &amp;OpenCurlyDoubleQuote;&amp;mdash;&amp;CloseCurlyDoubleQuote;&amp;comma; with the latter being the correct usage&amp;period; [[User:Anohthterwikipedian|Anohthterwikipedian]] ([[User talk:Anohthterwikipedian|talk]]) 02:30, 17 March 2026 (UTC)
:::: I’ve noticed a number of changes to em dash usage across several support articles and wanted to better understand the reasoning behind them.
:::: What is considered “correct” here can depend on the style being followed. I don’t believe we’ve formally adopted a fallback style guide, but the [https://www.apstylebook.com/blog_posts/24&lt;br&gt;AP Stylebook] generally uses spaced dashes, while the Chicago Manual of Style recommends [https://cmosshoptalk.com/2024/01/23/hyphens-and-dashes-a-refresher/ no spaces].
:::: Could you clarify why you believe no dashes is the way forward, or whether there’s a specific guideline you’re following and why that one?[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 22:43, 19 March 2026 (UTC)

== ~2026-17352-06 ==

spamming non news related stories Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 19:41, 19 March 2026 (UTC)
: {{User2|~2026-17352-06}}
: Blocked 24 hours and content deleted.[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 22:16, 19 March 2026 (UTC)
== Incorrect Image Credit ==

Sorry if this isn't the correct place, I've never edited here. I am unable to edit the page, was hoping that someone could correct the image credit in this article ''([[:Russian_Justice_Ministry_designates_former_Putin_advisor_Sergey_Markov_as_&quot;foreign_agent&quot;]])''. Not sure why I was credited for this photo, I did not take it. Thanks. [[User:PascalHD|PascalHD]] ([[User talk:PascalHD|talk]]) 03:10, 20 March 2026 (UTC)
: This has been partially corrected. The update is visible to logged-in users but has not yet been approved, so it is not visible to others. Once approved, either by another admin-reviewer or, if needed, by me, it will be visible to all.
: Thank you for the heads-up.[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 13:31, 20 March 2026 (UTC)
::Thanks for the correction! [[User:PascalHD|PascalHD]] ([[User talk:PascalHD|talk]]) 18:52, 20 March 2026 (UTC)

== https://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Atharva_Deore,_18,_appointed_director_of_management_college_in_Jalna,_India ==

https://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Atharva_Deore,_18,_appointed_director_of_management_college_in_Jalna,_India

Temp accounts keep recreation of page can someone lock it? Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 12:46, 20 March 2026 (UTC)

:Page deleted. [[User:Ternera|Ternera]] ([[User talk:Ternera|talk]]) 13:24, 20 March 2026 (UTC)
== Anohthterwikipedian ==

needs to stop spamming recent changes also possible sock of Medawikipedian @[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 01:11, 19 March 2026 (UTC)
: If you think they are a sock of MeDaWikipedian, you need to file a CU request at [[m:SRCU]]. We have no local CUs any longer. 
: If they are a sock, this would be block evasion since MeDa is blocked locally.
: Keep in mind the first recommendation at SRCU:
: &lt;blockquote&gt;'''Make sure you have a good reason for the check'''. It will only be accepted to counter vandalism or disruption to Wikimedia wikis. Valid reasons include needing a block of the underlying IP or IP range, disruptive sockpuppetry, vote-stacking, and similar disruption where the technical evidence from running a check would prevent or reduce further disruption.&lt;/blockquote&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 03:43, 19 March 2026 (UTC)
::{{Reply to|Michael.C.Wright}} Don&amp;CloseCurlyQuote;t worry&amp;comma; I&amp;CloseCurlyQuote;ve &amp;filig;led the request&amp;period;
::[[User:Anohthterwikipedian|Anohthterwikipedian]] ([[User talk:Anohthterwikipedian|talk]]) 19:51, 19 March 2026 (UTC)
: Let’s slow this down. The current pace of changes may be making it difficult for others to review and follow. Please consolidate edits where possible, use clear and descriptive edit summaries, and allow time for review between rounds of changes.
: Others may also find it helpful to adjust Recent Changes filters to focus on relevant edits (e.g., limiting to certain namespaces, hiding minor edits and/or bots), or to rely on watchlists and page histories to follow specific articles more closely.
: Accusations of sockpuppetry should not be made in discussion. If there are concerns, they should be raised through the appropriate process and left there, rather than repeated on-wiki.
: Let’s keep discussion focused on content and specific issues so everyone can engage productively.[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 22:09, 19 March 2026 (UTC)
:Hi @[[User:BigKrow|Don]], 
:1. Similar username, very different behaviour.
:2. I am suggesting you to go to your Recent Changes, and exclude edits tagged with &quot;file import&quot;. 
:[[File:Screenshot wiki rc tag filter.jpg|thumb|Recent changes filter tags]]
:Could you please let me know when you successfully excluded that tag? If any issues, ask here, please.
:Best regards, -- [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 11:45, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
::i tried it but I don't think it worked I'll just excuse this user of bad doings. If I see the files I'll let them slide... @[[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 20:26, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:::okay. I am wondering why it did not work, you may email me a video screencast if you like! [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 08:33, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
It might have actually worked. Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 20:31, 22 March 2026 (UTC)

:oh, cool! [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 08:33, 23 March 2026 (UTC)

== Global ban for Faster than Thunder ==

Hello, this message is to notify that [[User:Faster than Thunder|Faster than Thunder]] has been nominated for a global ban at [[m:Requests for comment/Global ban for Faster than Thunder]]. You are receiving this notification as required per the [[m:global ban|global ban]] policy as they have made at least 1 edit on this wiki. Thanks, --[[User:SHB2000|SHB2000]] ([[User talk:SHB2000|talk]]) 02:00, 22 March 2026 (UTC)

:yeah thanks. User was randomly adding noise and i am seeing the global lock was aporoved - looks like no action required further, here... [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 13:00, 22 March 2026 (UTC)</text>
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[[File:Performance gala 2026 08.jpg|thumb|dancers at the entrance to the opening reception{{image source|[[commons:User:Tduk|Alex Lozupone (Wikimedia Commons)]]}}]]

On March 13, 2026, The Performance Space in New York City held its annual Gala. The event featured an opening cocktail party at 6PM, a dinner at 8PM which featured performances and honorees, and an afterparty at 10PM. The year’s honorees were fashion designer {{w|Michèle Lamy}}, artist {{w|Paul McCarthy}}, and writer {{W|Samuel R. Delany}}. The event was nearly sold out and the room was packed with hundreds of people.

The opening reception where people mingled was held in an outdoor heated area behind the venue. Servers who wore kinky outfits came out holding sculptures of prepared foods, which include baos, and variations on sushi.

The main dinner was held upstairs on the fifth floor, where people were seated at their assigned tables. The foods served included a beef dish, pasta with meat, a mushroom option, and a bed of rice. While dinner was served, performances would occur, with breaks in between them. Some of these performances included burlesque elements. The performers listed on the program were {{w|Moses Sumney}}, {{w|Yseult (singer)|Yseult}}, Alok, {{w|Star Amerasu}}, Arewà Basit, Alex Takarsky, Jonah Almost, and Ruby McCollister.

Yseult performed several songs at the start of the ceremony. About an hour into the ceremony, a performer read from Delany's book ''{{w|Times Square Red, Times Square Blue}}'', which led into an introduction of Delany, who was the first to be honored and gave a short speech. About 15 minutes later, McCarthy was honored and also gave a short speech. Lastly, Lamy was honored; she was not in attendance but had recorded a video message. This was followed by a performance of several songs by Sumney, who was backed only by a guitarist. 

The afterparty was down the hall from the main reception area, and was in a barely lit dark room with dance music and easily obtained drinks. Outside the venue, people were lining up to attend the afterparty.

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== Proposal to amend WN:GP ==

I would like to propose amending [[Wikinews:Global permissions]] to allow stewards to perform non-emergency CheckUser checks, given that the two local checkusers (Acagastya and Cromium) are currently inactive, and especially in light of this [[Wikinews:Requests for permissions/CheckUser/Gryllida|this recently-participated nomination]]. It's similar to [[:b:en:Wikibooks:Global rights policy#Stewards|how the English Wikibooks allows this]], because on that project, the stewards can perform said non-emergency CU checks even when there are local checkusers. [[User:Codename Noreste|Codename Noreste]] ([[User talk:Codename Noreste|talk]]) 15:47, 19 February 2026 (UTC)
: I tend to agree. However, do the stewards recognize 'emergency CU' cases? In the past, when I've requested CU from stewards, they've always redirected me back to the local CUs (granted, I didn't state it was an 'emergency'). 
: I also don't know that we have a huge issue to correct here. Our historical need for CU services is relatively low: [[WN:CHECK]]. It can be frustrating in the moment to have to wait for a local response, but it has rarely been an emergency need. Given the low volume of requests, steward-based CU for all requests may be better.
: I personally think it might be better for the project to have no local CUs and rely fully on stewards for CU services. As mentioned in the discussion linked above, the threshold for electing a CU is probably unattainable at the moment, given our low contributor count. Pinging local CUs for inclusion: @[[User:Acagastya|Acagastya]] @[[User:Cromium|Cromium]].[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 16:54, 19 February 2026 (UTC)
::Pinging them will not work, they do not check wiki. Have to harrass them off-wiki for a response... ☹️ [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 20:11, 19 February 2026 (UTC)
:::When a person has the CU bit, is that across multiple platforms or only here?--[[User:Bddpaux|Bddpaux]] ([[User talk:Bddpaux|talk]]) 20:29, 19 February 2026 (UTC)
::::Typically local. [[User:Codename Noreste|Codename Noreste]] ([[User talk:Codename Noreste|talk]]) 21:01, 19 February 2026 (UTC)
::Well, the last email I received from you was later labelled as a misunderstanding -- I'd be available for CU as and when something serious needs to be done.  It is not that frequent, but happens once in a while. [[User talk:Acagastya|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #000; box-shadow: 0 0 7px #5de; padding-left:2.5px; padding-right:2.5px; border-radius:10px;&quot;&gt;•&amp;ndash;•&lt;/span&gt;]] 12:30, 20 February 2026 (UTC)
:I recently saw on Meta that EPIC has removed the remaining checkusers for this wiki (per [[:m:Special:Diff/30123181]]), and that CU requests can be forwarded to [[:m:SRCU]], until the project now has local checkusers (which might not be the case for the foreseeable future). [[User:Codename Noreste|Codename Noreste]] ([[User talk:Codename Noreste|talk]]) 23:54, 23 February 2026 (UTC)
::There is one open CU request for permissions at [[Wikinews:Requests_for_permissions#Gryllida|this page]], which you are welcome to comment or vote on. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 00:39, 24 February 2026 (UTC)
:: I updated the policy.[https://en.wikinews.org/w/index.php?title=Wikinews:Global_permissions&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=4988820][[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 01:44, 24 February 2026 (UTC)
== Proposed article talk guideline ==

:''Note: related discussion: [[Talk:Sanae_Takaichi_leads_LDP_to_victory_in_2026_Japanese_election#Article_tables,_the_PDF_source,_and_translation|Article tables, the PDF source, and translation]]''

Hello,

I was confused about some discussions, suggesting to make a official guideline about usage of article talk pages at Wikinews

In light of time constrained work, I am proposing the following items for the article talk page guidelines:

* [[User:Gryllida/ATPG]]

Please share your thoughts, then I can put it into a separate wiki page. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 02:13, 19 February 2026 (UTC)

:This seems useful and helpful, thanks. [[User:HKLionel|&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Montserrat;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#EE1C25,#BA8E23);color:transparent;background-clip:text&quot;&gt;HKLionel&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:HKLionel|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#EE1C25;font-size:60%&quot;&gt;TALK&lt;/span&gt;]] 16:39, 24 February 2026 (UTC)
::Yay. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 19:48, 24 February 2026 (UTC)</text>
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{{Date|March 24, 2026}}

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On Tuesday, March 24, {{w|Downtown Music Gallery}} in [[New York City]] continued its ongoing weekly in-store concert series with a night featuring eight {{w|Experimental music|experimental}} {{w|Singing|vocalists}}. The venue was so highly attended that the entire store was full, and people were watching from outside the entrance to the store, which was an unusual occurence. ''Wikinews'' was present for the concert. Experimental vocalists are people who use their voice in music in non-traditional or experimental ways. The performance was scheduled to start at 6:30 but started shortly after, and ended ((?)).

Before the performances, Bruce Gallanter, the owner of Downtown Music Gallery, started the event with a verbal history of vocalists:

{{WNIR|Bruce Gallanter}} Alright, I want to welcome everybody. This is Downtown Music Gallery. We have music here every Tuesday starting at 6:30. This has been going on for more than 25 years. Usually three bands.
  
:Over the last couple of years I've decided to do some more kind of thematic evenings. So tonight we have eight vocalists that are going to be singing for us. It's going to be a different night than what we usually have and I'm really glad about that.

:I prepared a little introduction that has to do with the history of jazz vocals and vocals in general. It starts, you have to picture this, we're going to go back in time 315,000 years. That's considered to be the dawn of mankind. We're in North Africa, there is a tribe of neanderthals or whoever was there at the time. They're descendants of Adam and Eve. They're walking across the desert very slowly. This is before language, so the only sounds that they're able to create are vocal sounds without words. So this is how it starts.
 
:And they make their way, and they end up in what later became Israel, and they grew over time until they became 12 tribes and then each one of those tribes left and one stayed in Israel and the rest of them traveled to different places on this planet. The last tribe ended up in the US in the Midwest. They're called the Lost Tribe of Israel and they became the first Native Americans. And it took about 50,000 years for those tribes to evolve into having people all around our planet. And many languages came out of that. Every country, like 100 countries, each one had their own language. And every country, those languages would be hundreds of dialects.

:So you have all different types of people speaking, and also the beginning of songs, vocal songs first, and then eventually percussion instruments, flutes, stringed instruments, and we're gonna move forward to the beginning of the 20th century.

:Between 1900 and 1920, this is like in the US, you have vaudeville bands, the very beginning of what became {{w|Dixieland}} and jazz. You also had kind of folk stuff going on. And as far as classical composers go, {{w|Igor Stravinsky}} and {{w|Béla Bartók}} and {{w|Edgar Varese}} composed pieces in the late teens and 20s, and that's kind of a beginning of, you know, all the pre-20th century classical stuff is more kind of melodic and easier to deal with, but when Stravinsky composed Rites of Spring, it was very violent. It had dancers dressed as animals, and people went wild when this music occurred. They flipped out, they couldn't deal with it, it was too much for them.

:So in the 20s, this is what happened. {{w|Duke Ellington}}'s band moved from DC to New York. {{w|Count Basie}} 's band moved from Kansas City to New York. And you had the beginning of an era called the big band era. And that existed from late 20s to around 1945. You had hundreds of big bands that would travel around the country and play. This was a form of entertainment for people. People would get together and they would dance to see these big bands. My parents used to go out dancing on weekends in the 40s and check out these big bands. And there were a lot of them. And I've been listening to more and more just to get an idea of how things unfolded. And a lot of those big bands had singers in them. You probably know a few of the singers like {{w|Bing Crosby}}, {{w|Frank Sinatra}}, {{w|Ella Fitzgerald}}, {{w|Billie Holiday}}, people like that. And that era existed for about 20 years.

:And then when World War II happened and the world kind of changed in a lot of ways, all the big bands started to break up and stop playing. And when people got back from World War II, you had a new form of music that had occurred. And these were members of {{w|Billy Eckstine}}'s big band, {{w|Charlie Parker}}, {{w|Dizzy Gillespie}}, {{w|Max Roach}}, all these people. And they started something which was called bebop. And the bebop was a small group thing. It was hard to play. It's very complex. And it was the first time that music, jazz music, was not about dancing and entertainment. It was about sitting and listening, snapping your fingers, creating poetry. And it affected other things, too.
  
:So dance, abstract art, all these things sort of came out of that. You had this hipster language that came out of the bebop thing. We'll hear our buddy Lorin (Benedict) doing some hipster language during his set, maybe. Who knows? And in 40, so we had the bebop thing. Now, that lasted approximately 10 years. And in 1949, you have a session called Birth of Cool. That's {{w|Miles Davis}}, {{w|Gerry Mulligan}}, {{w|Lee Konitz}}, Lenny Tristano. And that was another break from what the bebop thing was about. It was a cooler form of jazz.

:And the weird thing was, those beboppers that we talked about who created the cool things, that was an East Coast thing, but the cool thing became more popular on the West Coast. So you had a whole West Coast school in the 50s of all those people doing the cool school stuff.

:Now also in the 50s, {{w|Dizzy Gillespie}} put together a big band ({{w|The Modern Jazz Sextet}}). And in his big band, four members of his big band were {{w|John Lewis (pianist)|John Lewis}}, {Bill Jackson, {{w|Connie Kay}}}, and {{w|Percy Heath}}. They started a quartet called the {{w|Modern Jazz Quartet}}. Now the thing about them is they wore tuxedos. They didn't want to play in bars. They wanted to be taken more seriously. So that is the beginning of another form of sort of jazz.

:And Dizzy Gillespie Big Band did a song called &quot;A Bird in Igor's Yard&quot;. That was written by {{w|George Russell (composer)|George Russell}}. And it was supposed to be a blend of Charlie Parker and Igor Stravinsky. So a term was coined for that music. It was called third stream. It was coined by {{w|Gunther Schuller}}. 

:So in the 50s, you had the end of bebop. You had the next phase of that, which is called hard bop, which is like bebop but with a little bit of funk in there. And you had people who invented that were {{w|Art Blakey}} and {{w|Horace Silver}}.

:So the 50s, let's talk about the 50s. The 50s, a lot of different changes in music were going on. You had some blues cats coming up from down south and making their way to Chicago and playing blues. You had R&amp;B guys doing their thing. You had pop singers. You had also country and rockabilly. Elvis Presley comes from all those elements, including gospel. That's all part of his thing.

:And in 1959, this was a very important year. Three records came out that changed the future of jazz. One was ''{{w|Kind of Blue}}'' by {{w|Miles Davis}} Sextet, I guess, which is great. And it had this thing called modal jazz, which opened up the form to be a little bit freer. You had another record by the {{w|Dave Brubeck}} Quartet called ''{{w|Time Out (album)|Time Out}}''. And that record included songs in weird time signatures. You had &quot;Blue Rondo à la Turk&quot; and &quot;Take Five&quot;. So that is another kind of more progressive element that was very popular at the time. And another record that came out that year that wasn't noticed at the time was {{w|Sun Ra}}'s record ''{{w|Jazz in Silhouette}}'', which is a big band record, but it's very progressive.

:And then in California, you had {{w|Ornette Coleman}} Quartet, who moved to New York in 1960. They played for a month at the Five Spot. And when they played, it was very controversial, because no piano player, their music is very kind of free and open, and half the people who went to the gigs hated it, and the other half of the people loved it. And there was fighting going on about if it was important music or not, or if it was really jazz. All those arguments are going on.

:The same period of time, {{w|John Coltrane}} was playing in Miles Davis' quartet, and his solos were getting longer and longer. And he met up with {{w|John Gilmore (musician)|John Gilmore}}, who was the sax player in Sun Ra's band, who was playing with {{w|multiphonics}}. And this is an early way of getting weird sounds on the sax that are now part of the vocabulary of the saxophone. So Coltrane is playing these long solos, and Miles said, you know, we're going on tour in Europe, 1960, and Trane says, &quot;I don't want to tour. I want to start my own band and I want to do my own thing.&quot; And Miles begs him, please go on tour. So he goes on tour for 60. After he does that tour, he starts his own quartet. And his own quartet's {{w|Elvin Jones}}, {{w|Jimmy Garrison}}, and {{w|McCoy Tyner}}. And so between '60 and '64 you have a freer form of jazz that's now coming out.

:Now also during that period of time you have the beginning of what we call protest singers. So you had like {{w|Woody Guthrie}} and then {{w|Pete Seeger}} and then you had {{w|Bob Dylan}} and these are people that wrote lyrics that talked about social justice and civil rights. This is a very important thing because it was a way of expressing how you felt and if you felt the world was unjust and you wanted to deal with it. I remember when I was at day camp, I was about eight years old, and I had to learn the words to &quot;{{w|Blowin' in the Wind}}&quot; by {{w|Bob Dylan}}, which is made popular by {{w|Peter, Paul, and Mary}}. And I learned the words, and I remember thinking to myself, this is fascinating. These words actually make me think about the unfairness of the world and what we can do about it. And I realized how much lyrics and voices really affected the way I saw the world.

:Before I started reading newspapers, music was the one thing that spoke to me. And the more music I listened to, the more different types of music I listened to, all those things were part of my understanding of the world. I discovered a band called {{w|The Mothers of Invention}} when I was 13. That's {{w|Frank Zappa}}'s band, and Frank Zappa had this view about the unfairness of society. He wrote a song called &quot;{{w|Trouble Every Day (song)|Trouble Every Day}}&quot;. It's a long protest song. I have it memorized, but I'm not going to do it now because this is more about other people tonight. No, no, no. I'll do it. I've done it here once, and I'll do it again. But it's very long. But I think it's an important thing.
 
:Now, the vocal thing. This is all changing over time we have jazz vocalists singing with big bands singing on their own and then in the sixties people start experimenting with their voices uh... so you have people like Jeanne Lee uh... who else? (audience: Harry Woodward) {{w|Jay Clayton (musician)|Jay Clayton}}, yes, I mean, a lot of these people I got to know in the 70s. I remember seeing, late 70s, {{w|Ellen Christi}}. She was at a jam session I was at in New Jersey, and she was great. And I didn't know who she was. And {{w|Lisa Sokolov}}, I remember seeing. I saw Jeanne Lee play a bunch of times, because I was friendly with her, and Gunther Hoppel. But I've always been attracted to vocalists, strong vocalists, and also vocalists who take chances and learn how to do different things with their voices.

:So we're going to celebrate vocalists tonight. We have eight of them that are going to be playing in four sets. All of them are different. They're all coming from different places. They're all going to speak to us in different ways. I'm glad to see more people here than what we usually have. I think that's a beautiful thing. I'll do more thematic things in the future. And I want to thank all you people out there for showing up. And the first set is going to start. And this guy, Lorin, here, he was here on Saturday night with a band. And man, he blew me away. He is really something else. That's all I'm going to say.

Gallanter continued, introducing Charmaine Lee who was performing with Benedict, explaining how they are good friends and she helped both him personally and the store a great deal during the {{w
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First to perform was Lorin Benedict and Charmaine Lee, who performed in an almost entirely dark room, lit only by red light. Benedict performed vocals with a microphone only, while Lee performed using a electronic set-up on the table in front of her. 

Second was {{w|Kyoko Kitamura}}, who instead of performing in the back of the venue like most performers, performed in the middle, surrounded by people, using her voice and a few hand-held objects. She started off explaining, &quot;As musicians, we're constantly working with layers of listening, and as we bring awareness, it's almost like we're amplifying it, and I'm gonna be adding this very subtle layer on top of everything that's going on.&quot; She ended the performance by having the audience join her in making progressively louder exhaling shouts.

Third was Amy Sheffer and Rosi Hertlein, who performed several pieces, with Hertlein also playing violin. For the last piece, they brought out props, which Hertlein juggled in front of the nearby audience, who sometimes assisted. 

Last was Noa Fort, Yoon Sun Choi, and Elena Camerin, who all performed using microphones connected to the PA. All three performers used some degree of sound effects alternating with verbiage.

After each performance, there was considerable applause.

== Gallery ==
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== Sources ==
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 |date       = March 8, 2026
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{{Date|March 24, 2026}}

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On Tuesday, March 24, {{w|Downtown Music Gallery}} in [[New York City]] continued its ongoing weekly in-store concert series with a night featuring eight {{w|Experimental music|experimental}} {{w|Singing|vocalists}}. The venue was so highly attended that the entire store was full, and people were watching from outside the entrance to the store, which was an unusual occurence. ''Wikinews'' was present for the concert. Experimental vocalists are people who use their voice in music in non-traditional or experimental ways. The performance was scheduled to start at 6:30PM but started shortly after, and ended around 9PM, with people mingling afterwards and making purchases.

Before the performances, Bruce Gallanter, the owner of Downtown Music Gallery, started the event with a verbal history of vocalists:

{{WNIR|Bruce Gallanter}} Alright, I want to welcome everybody. This is Downtown Music Gallery. We have music here every Tuesday starting at 6:30. This has been going on for more than 25 years. Usually three bands.
  
:Over the last couple of years I've decided to do some more kind of thematic evenings. So tonight we have eight vocalists that are going to be singing for us. It's going to be a different night than what we usually have and I'm really glad about that.

:I prepared a little introduction that has to do with the history of jazz vocals and vocals in general. It starts, you have to picture this, we're going to go back in time 315,000 years. That's considered to be the dawn of mankind. We're in North Africa, there is a tribe of neanderthals or whoever was there at the time. They're descendants of Adam and Eve. They're walking across the desert very slowly. This is before language, so the only sounds that they're able to create are vocal sounds without words. So this is how it starts.
 
:And they make their way, and they end up in what later became Israel, and they grew over time until they became 12 tribes and then each one of those tribes left and one stayed in Israel and the rest of them traveled to different places on this planet. The last tribe ended up in the US in the Midwest. They're called the Lost Tribe of Israel and they became the first Native Americans. And it took about 50,000 years for those tribes to evolve into having people all around our planet. And many languages came out of that. Every country, like 100 countries, each one had their own language. And every country, those languages would be hundreds of dialects.

:So you have all different types of people speaking, and also the beginning of songs, vocal songs first, and then eventually percussion instruments, flutes, stringed instruments, and we're gonna move forward to the beginning of the 20th century.

:Between 1900 and 1920, this is like in the US, you have vaudeville bands, the very beginning of what became {{w|Dixieland}} and jazz. You also had kind of folk stuff going on. And as far as classical composers go, {{w|Igor Stravinsky}} and {{w|Béla Bartók}} and {{w|Edgar Varese}} composed pieces in the late teens and 20s, and that's kind of a beginning of, you know, all the pre-20th century classical stuff is more kind of melodic and easier to deal with, but when Stravinsky composed Rites of Spring, it was very violent. It had dancers dressed as animals, and people went wild when this music occurred. They flipped out, they couldn't deal with it, it was too much for them.

:So in the 20s, this is what happened. {{w|Duke Ellington}}'s band moved from DC to New York. {{w|Count Basie}} 's band moved from Kansas City to New York. And you had the beginning of an era called the big band era. And that existed from late 20s to around 1945. You had hundreds of big bands that would travel around the country and play. This was a form of entertainment for people. People would get together and they would dance to see these big bands. My parents used to go out dancing on weekends in the 40s and check out these big bands. And there were a lot of them. And I've been listening to more and more just to get an idea of how things unfolded. And a lot of those big bands had singers in them. You probably know a few of the singers like {{w|Bing Crosby}}, {{w|Frank Sinatra}}, {{w|Ella Fitzgerald}}, {{w|Billie Holiday}}, people like that. And that era existed for about 20 years.

:And then when World War II happened and the world kind of changed in a lot of ways, all the big bands started to break up and stop playing. And when people got back from World War II, you had a new form of music that had occurred. And these were members of {{w|Billy Eckstine}}'s big band, {{w|Charlie Parker}}, {{w|Dizzy Gillespie}}, {{w|Max Roach}}, all these people. And they started something which was called bebop. And the bebop was a small group thing. It was hard to play. It's very complex. And it was the first time that music, jazz music, was not about dancing and entertainment. It was about sitting and listening, snapping your fingers, creating poetry. And it affected other things, too.
  
:So dance, abstract art, all these things sort of came out of that. You had this hipster language that came out of the bebop thing. We'll hear our buddy Lorin (Benedict) doing some hipster language during his set, maybe. Who knows? And in 40, so we had the bebop thing. Now, that lasted approximately 10 years. And in 1949, you have a session called Birth of Cool. That's {{w|Miles Davis}}, {{w|Gerry Mulligan}}, {{w|Lee Konitz}}, Lenny Tristano. And that was another break from what the bebop thing was about. It was a cooler form of jazz.

:And the weird thing was, those beboppers that we talked about who created the cool things, that was an East Coast thing, but the cool thing became more popular on the West Coast. So you had a whole West Coast school in the 50s of all those people doing the cool school stuff.

:Now also in the 50s, {{w|Dizzy Gillespie}} put together a big band ({{w|The Modern Jazz Sextet}}). And in his big band, four members of his big band were {{w|John Lewis (pianist)|John Lewis}}, {Bill Jackson, {{w|Connie Kay}}}, and {{w|Percy Heath}}. They started a quartet called the {{w|Modern Jazz Quartet}}. Now the thing about them is they wore tuxedos. They didn't want to play in bars. They wanted to be taken more seriously. So that is the beginning of another form of sort of jazz.

:And Dizzy Gillespie Big Band did a song called &quot;A Bird in Igor's Yard&quot;. That was written by {{w|George Russell (composer)|George Russell}}. And it was supposed to be a blend of Charlie Parker and Igor Stravinsky. So a term was coined for that music. It was called third stream. It was coined by {{w|Gunther Schuller}}. 

:So in the 50s, you had the end of bebop. You had the next phase of that, which is called hard bop, which is like bebop but with a little bit of funk in there. And you had people who invented that were {{w|Art Blakey}} and {{w|Horace Silver}}.

:So the 50s, let's talk about the 50s. The 50s, a lot of different changes in music were going on. You had some blues cats coming up from down south and making their way to Chicago and playing blues. You had R&amp;B guys doing their thing. You had pop singers. You had also country and rockabilly. Elvis Presley comes from all those elements, including gospel. That's all part of his thing.

:And in 1959, this was a very important year. Three records came out that changed the future of jazz. One was ''{{w|Kind of Blue}}'' by {{w|Miles Davis}} Sextet, I guess, which is great. And it had this thing called modal jazz, which opened up the form to be a little bit freer. You had another record by the {{w|Dave Brubeck}} Quartet called ''{{w|Time Out (album)|Time Out}}''. And that record included songs in weird time signatures. You had &quot;Blue Rondo à la Turk&quot; and &quot;Take Five&quot;. So that is another kind of more progressive element that was very popular at the time. And another record that came out that year that wasn't noticed at the time was {{w|Sun Ra}}'s record ''{{w|Jazz in Silhouette}}'', which is a big band record, but it's very progressive.

:And then in California, you had {{w|Ornette Coleman}} Quartet, who moved to New York in 1960. They played for a month at the Five Spot. And when they played, it was very controversial, because no piano player, their music is very kind of free and open, and half the people who went to the gigs hated it, and the other half of the people loved it. And there was fighting going on about if it was important music or not, or if it was really jazz. All those arguments are going on.

:The same period of time, {{w|John Coltrane}} was playing in Miles Davis' quartet, and his solos were getting longer and longer. And he met up with {{w|John Gilmore (musician)|John Gilmore}}, who was the sax player in Sun Ra's band, who was playing with {{w|multiphonics}}. And this is an early way of getting weird sounds on the sax that are now part of the vocabulary of the saxophone. So Coltrane is playing these long solos, and Miles said, you know, we're going on tour in Europe, 1960, and Trane says, &quot;I don't want to tour. I want to start my own band and I want to do my own thing.&quot; And Miles begs him, please go on tour. So he goes on tour for 60. After he does that tour, he starts his own quartet. And his own quartet's {{w|Elvin Jones}}, {{w|Jimmy Garrison}}, and {{w|McCoy Tyner}}. And so between '60 and '64 you have a freer form of jazz that's now coming out.

:Now also during that period of time you have the beginning of what we call protest singers. So you had like {{w|Woody Guthrie}} and then {{w|Pete Seeger}} and then you had {{w|Bob Dylan}} and these are people that wrote lyrics that talked about social justice and civil rights. This is a very important thing because it was a way of expressing how you felt and if you felt the world was unjust and you wanted to deal with it. I remember when I was at day camp, I was about eight years old, and I had to learn the words to &quot;{{w|Blowin' in the Wind}}&quot; by {{w|Bob Dylan}}, which is made popular by {{w|Peter, Paul, and Mary}}. And I learned the words, and I remember thinking to myself, this is fascinating. These words actually make me think about the unfairness of the world and what we can do about it. And I realized how much lyrics and voices really affected the way I saw the world.

:Before I started reading newspapers, music was the one thing that spoke to me. And the more music I listened to, the more different types of music I listened to, all those things were part of my understanding of the world. I discovered a band called {{w|The Mothers of Invention}} when I was 13. That's {{w|Frank Zappa}}'s band, and Frank Zappa had this view about the unfairness of society. He wrote a song called &quot;{{w|Trouble Every Day (song)|Trouble Every Day}}&quot;. It's a long protest song. I have it memorized, but I'm not going to do it now because this is more about other people tonight. No, no, no. I'll do it. I've done it here once, and I'll do it again. But it's very long. But I think it's an important thing.
 
:Now, the vocal thing. This is all changing over time we have jazz vocalists singing with big bands singing on their own and then in the sixties people start experimenting with their voices uh... so you have people like Jeanne Lee uh... who else? (audience: Harry Woodward) {{w|Jay Clayton (musician)|Jay Clayton}}, yes, I mean, a lot of these people I got to know in the 70s. I remember seeing, late 70s, {{w|Ellen Christi}}. She was at a jam session I was at in New Jersey, and she was great. And I didn't know who she was. And {{w|Lisa Sokolov}}, I remember seeing. I saw Jeanne Lee play a bunch of times, because I was friendly with her, and Gunther Hoppel. But I've always been attracted to vocalists, strong vocalists, and also vocalists who take chances and learn how to do different things with their voices.

:So we're going to celebrate vocalists tonight. We have eight of them that are going to be playing in four sets. All of them are different. They're all coming from different places. They're all going to speak to us in different ways. I'm glad to see more people here than what we usually have. I think that's a beautiful thing. I'll do more thematic things in the future. And I want to thank all you people out there for showing up. And the first set is going to start. And this guy, Lorin, here, he was here on Saturday night with a band. And man, he blew me away. He is really something else. That's all I'm going to say.

Gallanter continued, introducing Charmaine Lee who was performing with Benedict, explaining how they are good friends and she helped both him personally and the store a great deal during the {{w
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First to perform was Lorin Benedict and Charmaine Lee, who performed in an almost entirely dark room, lit only by red light. Benedict performed vocals with a microphone only, while Lee performed using a electronic set-up on the table in front of her. 

Second was {{w|Kyoko Kitamura}}, who instead of performing in the back of the venue like most performers, performed in the middle, surrounded by people, using her voice and a few hand-held objects. She started off explaining, &quot;As musicians, we're constantly working with layers of listening, and as we bring awareness, it's almost like we're amplifying it, and I'm gonna be adding this very subtle layer on top of everything that's going on.&quot; She ended the performance by having the audience join her in making progressively louder exhaling shouts.

Third was Amy Sheffer and Rosi Hertlein, who performed several pieces, with Hertlein also playing violin. For the last piece, they brought out props, which Hertlein juggled in front of the nearby audience, who sometimes assisted. 

Last was Noa Fort, Yoon Sun Choi, and Elena Camerin, who all performed using microphones connected to the PA. All three performers used some degree of sound effects alternating with verbiage.

After each performance, there was considerable applause.

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I attended this performance, and recorded audio at points and took photos. I noted the lengths of the sets and discussed the high attendance informally with audience members. I discussed with Gallanter the idea of including his piece at the beginning here, and he approved. I will send scoop the relevant audio for the transcripts, as well as the ends of performances to illustrate the applause. [[User:Tduk|Tduk]] ([[User talk:Tduk|talk]]) 20:27, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
*{{ping|Tduk}} The 1949 session with Miles Davis and others should be identified as ''Birth of the Cool'', not ''Earth of Cool'', right? --[[User:Metropolitan90|Metropolitan90]] ([[User talk:Metropolitan90|talk]]) 01:10, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
*:Yes corrected. There are other corrections I imagine that need to happen too; I just sent the audio to scoop and when I have a moment I'll listen to it in full and correct anything. [[User:Tduk|Tduk]] ([[User talk:Tduk|talk]]) 14:57, 1 April 2026 (UTC)
{{collapse|Alright, I want to welcome everybody.
This is Downtown Music Gallery.
We have music here every Tuesday starting at 6.30.
This has been going on for more than 25 years.
Usually three bands.
Over the last couple of years I've decided to do some more kind of thematic evenings.
So tonight we have eight vocalists that are going to be singing for us.
It's going to be a different night than what we usually have and I'm really glad about that.
I prepared a little introduction that has to do with the history of
jazz vocals and vocals in general.
And it starts, you have to picture this, we're going to go back in time 315,000 years.
That's considered to be the dawn of mankind.
We're in North Africa, there is a tribe
or whoever was there at the time.
They're descendants of Adam and Eve.
They're walking across the desert very slowly.
This is before language, so the only sounds that they're able to create are vocal sounds without words.
So this is how it starts.
And they make their way, and they end up
later became Israel and they grew over time until they became 12 tribes and then each one of those tribes left and one stayed in Israel and the rest of them traveled to different places on this planet.
The last tribe ended up in the US in the Midwest.
They're called the Lost Tribe of Israel and they became the first Native Americans
And it took about 50,000 years for those tribes to evolve into having people all around our planet.
And many languages came out of that.
Every country, like 100 countries, each one had their own language.
And every country, those languages would be hundreds of dialects.
So you have all different types
to the beginning of songs, vocal songs first, and then eventually percussion instruments, flutes, stringed instruments, and we're gonna move forward to the beginning of the 20th century.
Between 1900 and 1920, this is like in the US, you have vaudeville bands,
the very beginning of what became Dixieland and jazz.
You also had kind of folk stuff going on.
And as far as classical composers go, Igor Stravinsky and Béla Bartók and Edgar Varese composed pieces in the late
teens and 20s, and that's kind of a beginning of, you know, all the pre-20th century classical stuff is more kind of melodic and easier to deal with, but when Stravinsky composed Rites of Spring, it was very violent.
It had dancers dressed as animals, and people went wild when this music occurred.
They flipped out, they couldn't deal with it, it was too much for them.
So in their 20s,
This is what happened.
Duke Ellington's band moved from DC to New York.
Count Basie's band moved from Kansas City to New York.
And you had the beginning of an era called the big band era.
And that existed from late 20s to around 1945.
You had hundreds of big bands that would travel around the country and play.
This was a form of entertainment for people.
People would get together and they would dance.
to see these big bands.
My parents used to go out dancing on weekends in the 40s and check out these big bands.
And there were a lot of them.
And I've been listening to more and more just to get an idea of how things unfolded.
And a lot of those big bands had singers in them.
You probably know a few of the singers like Bing Crosby, Frank Sinatra, Ella Fitzgerald, Billie Holiday, people like that.
And that era existed for about 20 years.
And then when World War II happened and the world kind of changed in a lot of ways, all the big bands started to break up and stop playing.
And when people got back from World War II, you had a new form of music that had occurred.
And these were members of Billy Eckstine's big band, Charlie Parker, Dizzy Gillespie, Max Roach, all these people.
And they started something which was called Bebop.
And the bebop was a small group thing.
It was hard to play.
It's very complex.
And it was the first time that music, jazz music, was not about dancing and entertainment.
It was about sitting and listening, snapping your fingers, creating poetry.
And it affected other things, too.
So dance, abstract art, all these things sort of came out of that.
You had this hipster language that came out of the bebop thing.
We'll hear Buddy Lauren doing some hipster language during his set, maybe.
Who knows?
And in 40, so we had the bebop thing.
Now, that lasted approximately 10 years.
And in 1949, you have a session called Earth of Cool.
That's Miles Davis, Jerry Mulligan, Lee Konitz, Lenny Tristano.
And that was another break from what the bebop thing was about.
It was a cooler form.
of jazz.
And the weird thing was, those beboppers that we talked about who created the cool things, that was an East Coast thing, but the cool thing became more popular on the West Coast.
So you had a whole West Coast school in the 50s of all those people doing the cool school stuff.
Now also in the 50s, Dizzy Gillespie put together a big band.
And in his big band, four members of his big band were
John Lewis, Bill Jackson, Connie Kay, and Percy Heath.
They started a quartet called the Modern Jazz Quartet.
Now the thing about them is they wore tuxedos.
They didn't want to play in bars.
They wanted to be taken more seriously.
So that is the beginning of another form of sort of jazz.
And Dizzy Gillespie Big Band did a song called A Bird in Igor's Yard.
That was written by George Russell.
And it was supposed to be a blend of Charlie Parker and Igor Stravinsky.
So a term was coined for that music.
It was called third stream.
It was coined by Gunther Schuller.
So in the 50s, you had the end of bebop.
You had the next phase of that, which is called hard bop.
which is like bebop but with a little bit of funk in there.
And you had people who invented that were Art Blakey and Horace Silver.
So the 50s, let's talk about the 50s.
The 50s, a lot of different changes in music were going on.
You had some blues cats coming up from down south and making their way to Chicago and playing blues.
You had R&amp;B guys doing their thing.
You had pop singers.
You had also country and rockabilly.
Elvis Presley comes from all those elements, including gospel.
That's all part of his thing.
And in 1959, this was a very important year.
Three records came out that changed the future of jazz.
One was Kind of Blue by Miles Davis Sextet, I guess, which is great.
And it had this thing called modal jazz, which opened up the form to be a little bit freer.
You had another record by the Dave Brubeck Quartet called Time Out.
And that record included songs in weird time signatures.
You had Blue Mondewala Turk and Take Five.
So that is another kind of more progressive element that was very popular at the time.
And another record that came out that year that wasn't noticed at the time was Sun Ra's record Jazz and Silhouette, which is a big band record, but it's very progressive.
And then in California, you had Ornette Coleman Quartet, who moved to New York in 1960.
They played for a month at the Five Spot.
And when they played, it was very controversial.
because no piano player, their music is very kind of free and open, and half the people who went to the gigs hated it, and the other half of the people loved it.
And there was fighting going on about if it was important music or not, or if it was really jazz.
All those arguments are going on.
The same period of time, John Coltrane was playing
in Miles Davis' quartet, and his solos were getting longer and longer.
And he met up with John Gilmore, who was the sax player in Sun Ra's band, who was playing with multiphonics.
And this is an early way of getting weird sounds on the sax that are now part of the vocabulary of the saxophone.
So Coltrane is playing these long solos, and Miles said, you know, we're going on tour in Europe, 1960, and Trane says,
I don't want to tour.
I want to start my own band and I want to do my own thing.&quot;
And Miles begs him, please go on tour.
So he goes on tour for 60.
After he does that tour, he starts his own quartet.
And his own quartet's Elvin Jones, Jimmy Garrison, and McCoy Tyner.
And so between 60 and 64 you have a freer form of jazz that's now coming out.
Now also during that period of time you have the beginning of what we call protest singers.
So you had like Woody Guthrie and then Pete Seeger and then you had Bob Dylan and these are people that wrote lyrics that talked about social justice and civil rights.
This is a very important thing because it was a way of expressing how you felt
and if you felt the world was unjust and you wanted to deal with it.
I remember when I was at day camp, I was about eight years old, and I had to learn the words to Blown in the Wind by Bob Dylan, which is made popular by Peter, Paul, and Mary.
And I learned the words, and I remember thinking to myself, this is fascinating.
These words actually make me think about the unfairness of the world and what we can do about it.
And I realized how much lyrics and voices really affected the way I saw the world.
Before I started reading newspapers, music was the one thing that spoke to me.
And the more music I listened to, the more different types of music I listened to, all those things were part of my understanding of the world.
I discovered a band called The Mothers of Invention when I was 13.
That's Frank Zappa's band, and Frank Zappa
had this view about the unfairness of society.
He wrote a song called Trouble Every Day.
It's a long protest song.
I haven't memorized, but I'm not going to do it now because this is more about other people tonight.
No, no, no.
I'll do it.
I've done it here once, and I'll do it again.
But it's very long.
But I think it's an important thing.
Now, the vocal thing.
this is all changing over time we have jazz vocalists singing with big bands singing on the road and then in the sixties people start experimenting with their voices uh... so you have people like gene lee uh... who else?
harry woodard jay clayton yes
I mean, a lot of these people I got to know in the 70s.
I remember seeing, late 70s, Ellen Christie.
She was at a jam session I was at in New Jersey, and she was great.
And I didn't know who she was.
And Lisa Sokoloff, I remember seeing.
I saw Jean Lee play a bunch of times, because I was friendly with her, and Gunther Hoppel.
But I've always been attracted to vocalists,
strong vocalists, and also vocalists who take chances and learn how to do different things with their voices.
So we're going to celebrate vocalists tonight.
We have eight of them that are going to be playing in four sets.
All of them are different.
They're all coming from different places.
They're all going to speak to us in different ways.
I'm glad to see more people here than what we usually have.
I think that's a beautiful thing.
I'll do more thematic things in the future.
And I want to thank all you people out there for showing up.
And the first set is going to start.
And Skylar here, he was here on Saturday night with a band.
And man, he blew me away.
He is really something else.
That's all I'm going to say.
}}[[User:Tduk|Tduk]] ([[User talk:Tduk|talk]]) 15:21, 1 April 2026 (UTC)

:sent to scoop [[User:Tduk|Tduk]] ([[User talk:Tduk|talk]]) 00:30, 2 April 2026 (UTC)
: Four emails were received via Scoop, collectively containing four MP3 audio files. No additional notes were included, either as attachments or within the body of the emails.[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 06:31, 4 April 2026 (UTC)
::My mistake, I didn't include the notes since I didn't use them: First performance runtime about 22 minutes. Second about 10 minutes. Third about 30 minutes. Fourth also about 30 minutes. [[User:Tduk|Tduk]] ([[User talk:Tduk|talk]]) 16:10, 4 April 2026 (UTC)

== Title change ==
I'm not sure the new title communicates that the performance featured exclusively vocalists. [[User:Tduk|Tduk]] ([[User talk:Tduk|talk]]) 14:25, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

:Hi @[[User:Tduk|Tduk]]
:1. An uninformed reader, especially foreigner, may ask: &quot;What is a vocalist?&quot;. Please wikilink or clarify.
:2. Can &quot;The venue was so highly attended that the entire store was full, and people were watching from outside the entrance to the store.&quot; be worded to clarify: is this normally the case for such events at this space?
:3. What is an 'experimental vocalist'? Please clarify.
:4. Can the time when the event started, and when it ended, be included either in the first or in the second paragraph?
:5. Is the website being a pest, or are images only 100px wide? I suggest using the gallery tag to include images at the end of the story in full size. Often the widths parameter is set to at least 800px and the heights parameters is set to 600px (correct me if i am wrong; check the photo essay category for previous submissions). 
:6. The long quote included in article which is more than 80% of it is there like if it was released under creative commons. Did the speaker confirm the licensing properly beyond saying 'sure, put it in Wikinews if you want'?
:This is not an actionable note, I think the image quality or post processing could be improved. Like this camera does not cope very well with darker environment.
:As noted previously, it is better to report on this much sooner after it happened. I suggest that you team up with a friend to help you with transcription and write-up. This can be either IRL friend or an online peer who is responsive and is accurate and understands, or wants to understand, what needs to be done. It would be ideal if submissions did not occur two weeks after the event each time.
:I think items 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 can be addressed before publishing. Hope this makes sense.
:Many thanks. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 09:48, 6 April 2026 (UTC)
::I made all these changes, some are useful. I don't want to get too far into original research. I did discuss with Gallanter publishing this piece, though I did not record it. I'll see if I can get in touch to get an email OKing it. [[User:Tduk|Tduk]] ([[User talk:Tduk|talk]]) 14:40, 6 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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I attended this performance, and recorded audio at points and took photos. I noted the lengths of the sets and discussed the high attendance informally with audience members. I discussed with Gallanter the idea of including his piece at the beginning here, and he approved. I will send scoop the relevant audio for the transcripts, as well as the ends of performances to illustrate the applause. [[User:Tduk|Tduk]] ([[User talk:Tduk|talk]]) 20:27, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
*{{ping|Tduk}} The 1949 session with Miles Davis and others should be identified as ''Birth of the Cool'', not ''Earth of Cool'', right? --[[User:Metropolitan90|Metropolitan90]] ([[User talk:Metropolitan90|talk]]) 01:10, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
*:Yes corrected. There are other corrections I imagine that need to happen too; I just sent the audio to scoop and when I have a moment I'll listen to it in full and correct anything. [[User:Tduk|Tduk]] ([[User talk:Tduk|talk]]) 14:57, 1 April 2026 (UTC)
{{collapse|Alright, I want to welcome everybody.
This is Downtown Music Gallery.
We have music here every Tuesday starting at 6.30.
This has been going on for more than 25 years.
Usually three bands.
Over the last couple of years I've decided to do some more kind of thematic evenings.
So tonight we have eight vocalists that are going to be singing for us.
It's going to be a different night than what we usually have and I'm really glad about that.
I prepared a little introduction that has to do with the history of
jazz vocals and vocals in general.
And it starts, you have to picture this, we're going to go back in time 315,000 years.
That's considered to be the dawn of mankind.
We're in North Africa, there is a tribe
or whoever was there at the time.
They're descendants of Adam and Eve.
They're walking across the desert very slowly.
This is before language, so the only sounds that they're able to create are vocal sounds without words.
So this is how it starts.
And they make their way, and they end up
later became Israel and they grew over time until they became 12 tribes and then each one of those tribes left and one stayed in Israel and the rest of them traveled to different places on this planet.
The last tribe ended up in the US in the Midwest.
They're called the Lost Tribe of Israel and they became the first Native Americans
And it took about 50,000 years for those tribes to evolve into having people all around our planet.
And many languages came out of that.
Every country, like 100 countries, each one had their own language.
And every country, those languages would be hundreds of dialects.
So you have all different types
to the beginning of songs, vocal songs first, and then eventually percussion instruments, flutes, stringed instruments, and we're gonna move forward to the beginning of the 20th century.
Between 1900 and 1920, this is like in the US, you have vaudeville bands,
the very beginning of what became Dixieland and jazz.
You also had kind of folk stuff going on.
And as far as classical composers go, Igor Stravinsky and Béla Bartók and Edgar Varese composed pieces in the late
teens and 20s, and that's kind of a beginning of, you know, all the pre-20th century classical stuff is more kind of melodic and easier to deal with, but when Stravinsky composed Rites of Spring, it was very violent.
It had dancers dressed as animals, and people went wild when this music occurred.
They flipped out, they couldn't deal with it, it was too much for them.
So in their 20s,
This is what happened.
Duke Ellington's band moved from DC to New York.
Count Basie's band moved from Kansas City to New York.
And you had the beginning of an era called the big band era.
And that existed from late 20s to around 1945.
You had hundreds of big bands that would travel around the country and play.
This was a form of entertainment for people.
People would get together and they would dance.
to see these big bands.
My parents used to go out dancing on weekends in the 40s and check out these big bands.
And there were a lot of them.
And I've been listening to more and more just to get an idea of how things unfolded.
And a lot of those big bands had singers in them.
You probably know a few of the singers like Bing Crosby, Frank Sinatra, Ella Fitzgerald, Billie Holiday, people like that.
And that era existed for about 20 years.
And then when World War II happened and the world kind of changed in a lot of ways, all the big bands started to break up and stop playing.
And when people got back from World War II, you had a new form of music that had occurred.
And these were members of Billy Eckstine's big band, Charlie Parker, Dizzy Gillespie, Max Roach, all these people.
And they started something which was called Bebop.
And the bebop was a small group thing.
It was hard to play.
It's very complex.
And it was the first time that music, jazz music, was not about dancing and entertainment.
It was about sitting and listening, snapping your fingers, creating poetry.
And it affected other things, too.
So dance, abstract art, all these things sort of came out of that.
You had this hipster language that came out of the bebop thing.
We'll hear Buddy Lauren doing some hipster language during his set, maybe.
Who knows?
And in 40, so we had the bebop thing.
Now, that lasted approximately 10 years.
And in 1949, you have a session called Earth of Cool.
That's Miles Davis, Jerry Mulligan, Lee Konitz, Lenny Tristano.
And that was another break from what the bebop thing was about.
It was a cooler form.
of jazz.
And the weird thing was, those beboppers that we talked about who created the cool things, that was an East Coast thing, but the cool thing became more popular on the West Coast.
So you had a whole West Coast school in the 50s of all those people doing the cool school stuff.
Now also in the 50s, Dizzy Gillespie put together a big band.
And in his big band, four members of his big band were
John Lewis, Bill Jackson, Connie Kay, and Percy Heath.
They started a quartet called the Modern Jazz Quartet.
Now the thing about them is they wore tuxedos.
They didn't want to play in bars.
They wanted to be taken more seriously.
So that is the beginning of another form of sort of jazz.
And Dizzy Gillespie Big Band did a song called A Bird in Igor's Yard.
That was written by George Russell.
And it was supposed to be a blend of Charlie Parker and Igor Stravinsky.
So a term was coined for that music.
It was called third stream.
It was coined by Gunther Schuller.
So in the 50s, you had the end of bebop.
You had the next phase of that, which is called hard bop.
which is like bebop but with a little bit of funk in there.
And you had people who invented that were Art Blakey and Horace Silver.
So the 50s, let's talk about the 50s.
The 50s, a lot of different changes in music were going on.
You had some blues cats coming up from down south and making their way to Chicago and playing blues.
You had R&amp;B guys doing their thing.
You had pop singers.
You had also country and rockabilly.
Elvis Presley comes from all those elements, including gospel.
That's all part of his thing.
And in 1959, this was a very important year.
Three records came out that changed the future of jazz.
One was Kind of Blue by Miles Davis Sextet, I guess, which is great.
And it had this thing called modal jazz, which opened up the form to be a little bit freer.
You had another record by the Dave Brubeck Quartet called Time Out.
And that record included songs in weird time signatures.
You had Blue Mondewala Turk and Take Five.
So that is another kind of more progressive element that was very popular at the time.
And another record that came out that year that wasn't noticed at the time was Sun Ra's record Jazz and Silhouette, which is a big band record, but it's very progressive.
And then in California, you had Ornette Coleman Quartet, who moved to New York in 1960.
They played for a month at the Five Spot.
And when they played, it was very controversial.
because no piano player, their music is very kind of free and open, and half the people who went to the gigs hated it, and the other half of the people loved it.
And there was fighting going on about if it was important music or not, or if it was really jazz.
All those arguments are going on.
The same period of time, John Coltrane was playing
in Miles Davis' quartet, and his solos were getting longer and longer.
And he met up with John Gilmore, who was the sax player in Sun Ra's band, who was playing with multiphonics.
And this is an early way of getting weird sounds on the sax that are now part of the vocabulary of the saxophone.
So Coltrane is playing these long solos, and Miles said, you know, we're going on tour in Europe, 1960, and Trane says,
I don't want to tour.
I want to start my own band and I want to do my own thing.&quot;
And Miles begs him, please go on tour.
So he goes on tour for 60.
After he does that tour, he starts his own quartet.
And his own quartet's Elvin Jones, Jimmy Garrison, and McCoy Tyner.
And so between 60 and 64 you have a freer form of jazz that's now coming out.
Now also during that period of time you have the beginning of what we call protest singers.
So you had like Woody Guthrie and then Pete Seeger and then you had Bob Dylan and these are people that wrote lyrics that talked about social justice and civil rights.
This is a very important thing because it was a way of expressing how you felt
and if you felt the world was unjust and you wanted to deal with it.
I remember when I was at day camp, I was about eight years old, and I had to learn the words to Blown in the Wind by Bob Dylan, which is made popular by Peter, Paul, and Mary.
And I learned the words, and I remember thinking to myself, this is fascinating.
These words actually make me think about the unfairness of the world and what we can do about it.
And I realized how much lyrics and voices really affected the way I saw the world.
Before I started reading newspapers, music was the one thing that spoke to me.
And the more music I listened to, the more different types of music I listened to, all those things were part of my understanding of the world.
I discovered a band called The Mothers of Invention when I was 13.
That's Frank Zappa's band, and Frank Zappa
had this view about the unfairness of society.
He wrote a song called Trouble Every Day.
It's a long protest song.
I haven't memorized, but I'm not going to do it now because this is more about other people tonight.
No, no, no.
I'll do it.
I've done it here once, and I'll do it again.
But it's very long.
But I think it's an important thing.
Now, the vocal thing.
this is all changing over time we have jazz vocalists singing with big bands singing on the road and then in the sixties people start experimenting with their voices uh... so you have people like gene lee uh... who else?
harry woodard jay clayton yes
I mean, a lot of these people I got to know in the 70s.
I remember seeing, late 70s, Ellen Christie.
She was at a jam session I was at in New Jersey, and she was great.
And I didn't know who she was.
And Lisa Sokoloff, I remember seeing.
I saw Jean Lee play a bunch of times, because I was friendly with her, and Gunther Hoppel.
But I've always been attracted to vocalists,
strong vocalists, and also vocalists who take chances and learn how to do different things with their voices.
So we're going to celebrate vocalists tonight.
We have eight of them that are going to be playing in four sets.
All of them are different.
They're all coming from different places.
They're all going to speak to us in different ways.
I'm glad to see more people here than what we usually have.
I think that's a beautiful thing.
I'll do more thematic things in the future.
And I want to thank all you people out there for showing up.
And the first set is going to start.
And Skylar here, he was here on Saturday night with a band.
And man, he blew me away.
He is really something else.
That's all I'm going to say.
}}[[User:Tduk|Tduk]] ([[User talk:Tduk|talk]]) 15:21, 1 April 2026 (UTC)

:sent to scoop [[User:Tduk|Tduk]] ([[User talk:Tduk|talk]]) 00:30, 2 April 2026 (UTC)
: Four emails were received via Scoop, collectively containing four MP3 audio files. No additional notes were included, either as attachments or within the body of the emails.[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 06:31, 4 April 2026 (UTC)
::My mistake, I didn't include the notes since I didn't use them: First performance runtime about 22 minutes. Second about 10 minutes. Third about 30 minutes. Fourth also about 30 minutes. [[User:Tduk|Tduk]] ([[User talk:Tduk|talk]]) 16:10, 4 April 2026 (UTC)

== Title change ==
I'm not sure the new title communicates that the performance featured exclusively vocalists. [[User:Tduk|Tduk]] ([[User talk:Tduk|talk]]) 14:25, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

:Hi @[[User:Tduk|Tduk]]
:1. An uninformed reader, especially foreigner, may ask: &quot;What is a vocalist?&quot;. Please wikilink or clarify.
:2. Can &quot;The venue was so highly attended that the entire store was full, and people were watching from outside the entrance to the store.&quot; be worded to clarify: is this normally the case for such events at this space?
:3. What is an 'experimental vocalist'? Please clarify.
:4. Can the time when the event started, and when it ended, be included either in the first or in the second paragraph?
:5. Is the website being a pest, or are images only 100px wide? I suggest using the gallery tag to include images at the end of the story in full size. Often the widths parameter is set to at least 800px and the heights parameters is set to 600px (correct me if i am wrong; check the photo essay category for previous submissions). 
:6. The long quote included in article which is more than 80% of it is there like if it was released under creative commons. Did the speaker confirm the licensing properly beyond saying 'sure, put it in Wikinews if you want'?
:This is not an actionable note, I think the image quality or post processing could be improved. Like this camera does not cope very well with darker environment.
:As noted previously, it is better to report on this much sooner after it happened. I suggest that you team up with a friend to help you with transcription and write-up. This can be either IRL friend or an online peer who is responsive and is accurate and understands, or wants to understand, what needs to be done. It would be ideal if submissions did not occur two weeks after the event each time.
:I think items 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 can be addressed before publishing. Hope this makes sense.
:Many thanks. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 09:48, 6 April 2026 (UTC)
::I made all these changes, some are useful. I don't want to get too far into original research. I did discuss with Gallanter publishing this piece, though I did not record it. I'll see if I can get in touch to get an email OKing it. [[User:Tduk|Tduk]] ([[User talk:Tduk|talk]]) 14:40, 6 April 2026 (UTC)
:::I got in touch with Gallanter who will be sending me a few corrections. When I get that, I'll forward it to scoop. [[User:Tduk|Tduk]] ([[User talk:Tduk|talk]]) 15:07, 6 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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In a landmark ruling on March 26, the {{w|Supreme Court of Finland}} convicted {{w|Päivi Räsänen}}, a member of the {{w|Christian Democrats (Finland)|Christian Democrats}} party in the {{w|Parliament of Finland}} and {{w|Juhana Pohjola}}, the bishop of the {{w|Evangelical Lutheran Mission Diocese of Finland}}, as well as the {{w|Luther Foundation of Finland}} and the {{w|Evangelical Lutheran Mission Diocese of Finland}} of {{w|crimes against humanity|crimes against the humanity}} of gays and lesbians. The defendants were convicted under the section of the {{w|Criminal Code of Finland}} concerning {{w|crimes against humanity}}, over a pamphlet written by Räsänen, edited by Pohjola, and published by the Luther Foundation and the Evangelical Lutheran Mission Diocese that made claims about {{w|homosexuality|foreign=force}} that contradicted the consensus of the {{w|scientific community}}. The decision was a significant precedent with implications for future rulings pertaining to the legal intersection of {{w|freedom of speech|foreign=force}} and {{w|freedom of religion}} with {{w|hate speech}} and crimes against humanity, as well as {{w|LGBT rights}} and {{w|human rights|foreign=force}} in {{w|liberal democracy|liberal democracies}}. 

In the pamphlet, ''Male and Female He Created Them: Homosexual Relationships Challenge the Christian Concept of Humanity'', Räsänen argued her belief that homosexuality and {{w|Christianity|foreign=force}} are incompatible. She claimed that homosexuality was a &quot;sexual abnormality&quot; and a &quot;developmental disorder&quot; quoting verses from the {{w|Bible}} to support her argument. Upon closer examination, the court found that while the parts of the pamphlet were merely subjective religious opinions, other portions {{w|dehumanization|dehumanised}} sexual minorities, constituting crimes against humanity.  The court stated that these claims were contrary to the global {{w|scientific consensus}} that homosexuality was a normal variation of {{w|human sexuality}} and not a disease or disorder.

The response to the ruling from Finnish politicians was mixed. The {{w|Prime Minister of Finland}}, {{w|Petteri Orpo}}, of the centre-right {{w|National Coalition Party}}, took a stand against political interference in the judiciary and stated that &quot;politicians should not comment on court decisions&quot;. Those from Räsänen's Christian Democrats party and the right-wing {{w|Finns Party}} criticised the court's decision, with {{w|Riikka Purra}}, the {{w|Deputy Prime Minister of Finland}} posting on social media: &quot;Freedom of speech took another serious hit today through the supreme court’s voting decision.&quot; Other politicians praised the decision, with opposition party leader, {{w|Sofia Virta}}, of the centre-left {{w|Green League}}, saying that &quot;Finland is a country where people must not be labelled or mocked without consequence. Freedom of speech is important, but it comes with responsibility.&quot;

The court dismissed a related charge against Räsänen over a post on {{w|X (social network)|X}} (then a {{w|Tweet (social media)|tweet}} on Twitter), that quoted a series of Bible verses, ''Romans 1:24–27'', to back her beliefs about {{w|same-sex relationship}}s, finding that it was a subjective religious opinion. 

{{haveyoursay}}

==Sources==
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*{{source|url=https://www.christianitytoday.com/2026/03/finnish-parlimentarian-paivi-rasanen-christian-hate-speech/|title=Finland’s Top Court Split on Christian Politician’s Hate Speech Charges|pub=Christianity Today|author=Ken Chitwood|date=March 27, 2026}}
*{{source|url=https://www.helsinkitimes.fi/finland/finland-news/domestic/28665-supreme-court-convicts-mp-paeivi-raesaenen-over-hate-speech.html|title=Supreme Court convicts MP Päivi Räsänen over hate speech|pub=Helsinki Times|author=|date=March 27, 2026}}
*{{source|url=https://www.christian.org.uk/news/finnish-christian-mp-convicted-of-crimes-against-humanity-for-church-booklet-on-marriage/|title=Finnish Christian MP convicted of ‘crimes against humanity’ for church booklet on marriage|pub=Christian Institute|date=March 26, 2026}}
*{{source|url=https://www.christiantoday.com/news/landmark-ruling-expected-in-finnish-politician-s-bible-tweet-case|title=Landmark ruling expected in Finnish politician's Bible tweet case|pub=Christian Today|date=March 26, 2026}}
*{{source|url=https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/mar/26/finnish-mp-paivi-rasanen-convicted-homosexuality-developmental-disorder|title=Finnish MP convicted for saying homosexuality is ‘developmental disorder’|pub=The Guardian|author=Miranda Bryant|date=March 26, 2026}}
*{{source|url=https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/paivi-rasanen-homosexuality-supreme-court-finland-b2946208.html|title=Supreme Court fines European MP over homosexuality comments|pub=The Independent|author=Anne Kauranen|date=March 26, 2026}}
*{{source|url=https://www.reuters.com/world/finlands-supreme-court-fines-mp-calling-homosexuality-developmental-disorder-2026-03-26/|title=Finland's Supreme Court fines MP for calling homosexuality 'developmental disorder'|pub=Reuters|author=Anne Kauranen|date=March 26, 2026}}
*{{source|url=https://www.wma.net/policies-post/wma-statement-on-natural-variations-of-human-sexuality/|title=WMA STATEMENT ON NATURAL VARIATIONS OF HUMAN SEXUALITY|pub=World Medical Association|date=October 18, 2013}}
*{{source|url=https://www.wma.net/news-post/wma-condemns-portrayal-of-homosexuality-as-a-disease/|title=WMA CONDEMNS PORTRAYAL OF HOMOSEXUALITY AS A DISEASE|pub=World Medical Association|date=October 21, 2013}}

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*{{source|url=https://www.helsinkitimes.fi/finland/finland-news/domestic/28665-supreme-court-convicts-mp-paeivi-raesaenen-over-hate-speech.html|title=Supreme Court convicts MP Päivi Räsänen over hate speech|pub=Helsinki Times|author=|date=March 27, 2026}}
*{{source|url=https://www.christian.org.uk/news/finnish-christian-mp-convicted-of-crimes-against-humanity-for-church-booklet-on-marriage/|title=Finnish Christian MP convicted of ‘crimes against humanity’ for church booklet on marriage|pub=Christian Institute|date=March 26, 2026}}
*{{source|url=https://www.christiantoday.com/news/landmark-ruling-expected-in-finnish-politician-s-bible-tweet-case|title=Landmark ruling expected in Finnish politician's Bible tweet case|pub=Christian Today|date=March 26, 2026}}
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*{{source|url=https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/paivi-rasanen-homosexuality-supreme-court-finland-b2946208.html|title=Supreme Court fines European MP over homosexuality comments|pub=The Independent|author=Anne Kauranen|date=March 26, 2026}}
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The court dismissed a related charge against Räsänen over a post on {{w|X (social network)|X}} (then a {{w|Tweet (social media)|tweet}} on Twitter), that quoted a series of Bible verses, ''Romans 1:24–27'', to back her beliefs about {{w|same-sex relationship}}s, finding that it was a subjective religious opinion. 

{{haveyoursay}}

==Sources==
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*{{source|url=https://www.christianitytoday.com/2026/03/finnish-parlimentarian-paivi-rasanen-christian-hate-speech/|title=Finland’s Top Court Split on Christian Politician’s Hate Speech Charges|pub=Christianity Today|author=Ken Chitwood|date=March 27, 2026}}
*{{source|url=https://www.helsinkitimes.fi/finland/finland-news/domestic/28665-supreme-court-convicts-mp-paeivi-raesaenen-over-hate-speech.html|title=Supreme Court convicts MP Päivi Räsänen over hate speech|pub=Helsinki Times|author=|date=March 27, 2026}}
*{{source|url=https://www.christian.org.uk/news/finnish-christian-mp-convicted-of-crimes-against-humanity-for-church-booklet-on-marriage/|title=Finnish Christian MP convicted of ‘crimes against humanity’ for church booklet on marriage|pub=Christian Institute|date=March 26, 2026}}
*{{source|url=https://www.christiantoday.com/news/landmark-ruling-expected-in-finnish-politician-s-bible-tweet-case|title=Landmark ruling expected in Finnish politician's Bible tweet case|pub=Christian Today|date=March 26, 2026}}
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*{{source|url=https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/paivi-rasanen-homosexuality-supreme-court-finland-b2946208.html|title=Supreme Court fines European MP over homosexuality comments|pub=The Independent|author=Anne Kauranen|date=March 26, 2026}}
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In the pamphlet, ''Male and Female He Created Them: Homosexual Relationships Challenge the Christian Concept of Humanity'', Räsänen argued her belief that homosexuality and {{w|Christianity|foreign=force}} are incompatible. She claimed that homosexuality was a &quot;sexual abnormality&quot; and a &quot;developmental disorder&quot;, quoting verses from the {{w|Bible}} to support her argument. The court stated that these claims are contrary to the global {{w|scientific consensus}} that homosexuality is a natural and normal variation of {{w|human sexuality}}, not a disease or disorder. Upon closer examination, the court found that while the parts of the pamphlet were merely subjective religious opinions, other portions {{w|dehumanization|dehumanised}} sexual minorities, constituting crimes against humanity.

The response to the ruling from Finnish politicians was mixed. The {{w|Prime Minister of Finland}}, {{w|Petteri Orpo}}, of the centre-right {{w|National Coalition Party}}, took a stand against political interference in the judiciary and stated that &quot;politicians should not comment on court decisions&quot;. Those from Räsänen's Christian Democrats party and the right-wing {{w|Finns Party}} criticised the court's decision, with {{w|Riikka Purra}}, the {{w|Deputy Prime Minister of Finland}} posting on social media: &quot;Freedom of speech took another serious hit today through the supreme court’s voting decision.&quot; Other politicians praised the decision, with opposition party leader, {{w|Sofia Virta}}, of the centre-left {{w|Green League}}, saying that &quot;Finland is a country where people must not be labelled or mocked without consequence. Freedom of speech is important, but it comes with responsibility.&quot;

The court dismissed a related charge against Räsänen over a post on {{w|X (social network)|X}} (then a {{w|Tweet (social media)|tweet}} on Twitter), that quoted a series of Bible verses, ''Romans 1:24–27'', to back her beliefs about {{w|same-sex relationship}}s, finding that it was a subjective religious opinion. 

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==Sources==
*{{source|url=https://www.wma.net/what-we-do/human-rights/lgbt/|pub=World Medical Association|title=LGBT {{!}} Health and Natural Variations of Human Sexuality|date=March 28, 2026 (date of access)}}
*{{source|url=https://www.christianitytoday.com/2026/03/finnish-parlimentarian-paivi-rasanen-christian-hate-speech/|title=Finland’s Top Court Split on Christian Politician’s Hate Speech Charges|pub=Christianity Today|author=Ken Chitwood|date=March 27, 2026}}
*{{source|url=https://www.helsinkitimes.fi/finland/finland-news/domestic/28665-supreme-court-convicts-mp-paeivi-raesaenen-over-hate-speech.html|title=Supreme Court convicts MP Päivi Räsänen over hate speech|pub=Helsinki Times|author=|date=March 27, 2026}}
*{{source|url=https://www.christian.org.uk/news/finnish-christian-mp-convicted-of-crimes-against-humanity-for-church-booklet-on-marriage/|title=Finnish Christian MP convicted of ‘crimes against humanity’ for church booklet on marriage|pub=Christian Institute|date=March 26, 2026}}
*{{source|url=https://www.christiantoday.com/news/landmark-ruling-expected-in-finnish-politician-s-bible-tweet-case|title=Landmark ruling expected in Finnish politician's Bible tweet case|pub=Christian Today|date=March 26, 2026}}
*{{source|url=https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/mar/26/finnish-mp-paivi-rasanen-convicted-homosexuality-developmental-disorder|title=Finnish MP convicted for saying homosexuality is ‘developmental disorder’|pub=The Guardian|author=Miranda Bryant|date=March 26, 2026}}
*{{source|url=https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/paivi-rasanen-homosexuality-supreme-court-finland-b2946208.html|title=Supreme Court fines European MP over homosexuality comments|pub=The Independent|author=Anne Kauranen|date=March 26, 2026}}
*{{source|url=https://www.reuters.com/world/finlands-supreme-court-fines-mp-calling-homosexuality-developmental-disorder-2026-03-26/|title=Finland's Supreme Court fines MP for calling homosexuality 'developmental disorder'|pub=Reuters|author=Anne Kauranen|date=March 26, 2026}}
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The court dismissed a related charge against Räsänen over a post on {{w|X (social network)|X}} (then a {{w|Tweet (social media)|tweet}} on Twitter), that quoted a series of Bible verses, ''Romans 1:24–27'', to back her beliefs about {{w|same-sex relationship}}s, finding that it was a subjective religious opinion.

The Supreme Court punished Räsänen and Pohjola with 20 day individual fines each that vary depending on individual income or approximately €1800 each, and the Evangelical Lutheran Mission Diocese and the Luther Foundation with a corporate fine of €5000.

{{haveyoursay}}

==Sources==
*{{source|url=https://www.wma.net/what-we-do/human-rights/lgbt/|pub=World Medical Association|title=LGBT {{!}} Health and Natural Variations of Human Sexuality|date=March 28, 2026 (date of access)}}
*{{source|url=https://www.christianitytoday.com/2026/03/finnish-parlimentarian-paivi-rasanen-christian-hate-speech/|title=Finland’s Top Court Split on Christian Politician’s Hate Speech Charges|pub=Christianity Today|author=Ken Chitwood|date=March 27, 2026}}
*{{source|url=https://www.helsinkitimes.fi/finland/finland-news/domestic/28665-supreme-court-convicts-mp-paeivi-raesaenen-over-hate-speech.html|title=Supreme Court convicts MP Päivi Räsänen over hate speech|pub=Helsinki Times|author=|date=March 27, 2026}}
*{{source|url=https://www.christian.org.uk/news/finnish-christian-mp-convicted-of-crimes-against-humanity-for-church-booklet-on-marriage/|title=Finnish Christian MP convicted of ‘crimes against humanity’ for church booklet on marriage|pub=Christian Institute|date=March 26, 2026}}
*{{source|url=https://www.christiantoday.com/news/landmark-ruling-expected-in-finnish-politician-s-bible-tweet-case|title=Landmark ruling expected in Finnish politician's Bible tweet case|pub=Christian Today|date=March 26, 2026}}
*{{source|url=https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/mar/26/finnish-mp-paivi-rasanen-convicted-homosexuality-developmental-disorder|title=Finnish MP convicted for saying homosexuality is ‘developmental disorder’|pub=The Guardian|author=Miranda Bryant|date=March 26, 2026}}
*{{source|url=https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/paivi-rasanen-homosexuality-supreme-court-finland-b2946208.html|title=Supreme Court fines European MP over homosexuality comments|pub=The Independent|author=Anne Kauranen|date=March 26, 2026}}
*{{source|url=https://www.reuters.com/world/finlands-supreme-court-fines-mp-calling-homosexuality-developmental-disorder-2026-03-26/|title=Finland's Supreme Court fines MP for calling homosexuality 'developmental disorder'|pub=Reuters|author=Anne Kauranen|date=March 26, 2026}}
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The court dismissed a related charge against Räsänen over a post on {{w|X (social network)|X}} (then a {{w|Tweet (social media)|tweet}} on Twitter), that quoted a series of Bible verses, ''Romans 1:24–27'', to back her beliefs about {{w|same-sex relationship}}s, finding that it was a subjective religious opinion.

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{{haveyoursay}}

==Sources==
*{{source|url=https://www.wma.net/what-we-do/human-rights/lgbt/|pub=World Medical Association|title=LGBT {{!}} Health and Natural Variations of Human Sexuality|date=March 28, 2026 (date of access)}}
*{{source|url=https://www.christianitytoday.com/2026/03/finnish-parlimentarian-paivi-rasanen-christian-hate-speech/|title=Finland’s Top Court Split on Christian Politician’s Hate Speech Charges|pub=Christianity Today|author=Ken Chitwood|date=March 27, 2026}}
*{{source|url=https://www.helsinkitimes.fi/finland/finland-news/domestic/28665-supreme-court-convicts-mp-paeivi-raesaenen-over-hate-speech.html|title=Supreme Court convicts MP Päivi Räsänen over hate speech|pub=Helsinki Times|author=|date=March 27, 2026}}
*{{source|url=https://www.christian.org.uk/news/finnish-christian-mp-convicted-of-crimes-against-humanity-for-church-booklet-on-marriage/|title=Finnish Christian MP convicted of ‘crimes against humanity’ for church booklet on marriage|pub=Christian Institute|date=March 26, 2026}}
*{{source|url=https://www.christiantoday.com/news/landmark-ruling-expected-in-finnish-politician-s-bible-tweet-case|title=Landmark ruling expected in Finnish politician's Bible tweet case|pub=Christian Today|date=March 26, 2026}}
*{{source|url=https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/mar/26/finnish-mp-paivi-rasanen-convicted-homosexuality-developmental-disorder|title=Finnish MP convicted for saying homosexuality is ‘developmental disorder’|pub=The Guardian|author=Miranda Bryant|date=March 26, 2026}}
*{{source|url=https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/paivi-rasanen-homosexuality-supreme-court-finland-b2946208.html|title=Supreme Court fines European MP over homosexuality comments|pub=The Independent|author=Anne Kauranen|date=March 26, 2026}}
*{{source|url=https://www.reuters.com/world/finlands-supreme-court-fines-mp-calling-homosexuality-developmental-disorder-2026-03-26/|title=Finland's Supreme Court fines MP for calling homosexuality 'developmental disorder'|pub=Reuters|author=Anne Kauranen|date=March 26, 2026}}
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The response to the ruling from Finnish politicians was mixed. The {{w|Prime Minister of Finland}}, {{w|Petteri Orpo}}, of the centre-right {{w|National Coalition Party}}, took a stand against political interference in the judiciary and stated that &quot;politicians should not comment on court decisions&quot;. Those from Räsänen's Christian Democrats party and the right-wing {{w|Finns Party}} criticised the court's decision, with {{w|Riikka Purra}}, the {{w|Deputy Prime Minister of Finland}} posting on social media: &quot;Freedom of speech took another serious hit today through the supreme court’s voting decision.&quot; Other politicians praised the decision, with opposition party leader, {{w|Sofia Virta}}, of the centre-left {{w|Green League}}, saying that &quot;Finland is a country where people must not be labelled or mocked without consequence. Freedom of speech is important, but it comes with responsibility.&quot;

The court dismissed a related charge against Räsänen over a post on {{w|X (social network)|X}} (then a {{w|Tweet (social media)|tweet}} on Twitter), that quoted a series of Bible verses, ''Romans 1:24–27'', to back her beliefs about {{w|same-sex relationship}}s, finding that it was a subjective religious opinion.

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{{haveyoursay}}

==Sources==
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*{{source|url=https://www.christianitytoday.com/2026/03/finnish-parlimentarian-paivi-rasanen-christian-hate-speech/|title=Finland’s Top Court Split on Christian Politician’s Hate Speech Charges|pub=Christianity Today|author=Ken Chitwood|date=March 27, 2026}}
*{{source|url=https://www.helsinkitimes.fi/finland/finland-news/domestic/28665-supreme-court-convicts-mp-paeivi-raesaenen-over-hate-speech.html|title=Supreme Court convicts MP Päivi Räsänen over hate speech|pub=Helsinki Times|author=|date=March 27, 2026}}
*{{source|url=https://www.christian.org.uk/news/finnish-christian-mp-convicted-of-crimes-against-humanity-for-church-booklet-on-marriage/|title=Finnish Christian MP convicted of ‘crimes against humanity’ for church booklet on marriage|pub=Christian Institute|date=March 26, 2026}}
*{{source|url=https://www.christiantoday.com/news/landmark-ruling-expected-in-finnish-politician-s-bible-tweet-case|title=Landmark ruling expected in Finnish politician's Bible tweet case|pub=Christian Today|date=March 26, 2026}}
*{{source|url=https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/mar/26/finnish-mp-paivi-rasanen-convicted-homosexuality-developmental-disorder|title=Finnish MP convicted for saying homosexuality is ‘developmental disorder’|pub=The Guardian|author=Miranda Bryant|date=March 26, 2026}}
*{{source|url=https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/paivi-rasanen-homosexuality-supreme-court-finland-b2946208.html|title=Supreme Court fines European MP over homosexuality comments|pub=The Independent|author=Anne Kauranen|date=March 26, 2026}}
*{{source|url=https://www.reuters.com/world/finlands-supreme-court-fines-mp-calling-homosexuality-developmental-disorder-2026-03-26/|title=Finland's Supreme Court fines MP for calling homosexuality 'developmental disorder'|pub=Reuters|author=Anne Kauranen|date=March 26, 2026}}
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In a landmark ruling on March 26, the {{w|Supreme Court of Finland}} convicted {{w|Päivi Räsänen}}, a member of the {{w|Christian Democrats (Finland)|Christian Democrats}} party in the {{w|Parliament of Finland}} and {{w|Juhana Pohjola}}, the bishop of the {{w|Evangelical Lutheran Mission Diocese of Finland}}, as well as the {{w|Luther Foundation of Finland}} and the {{w|Evangelical Lutheran Mission Diocese of Finland}} of {{w|crimes against humanity|crimes against the humanity}} of gays and lesbians. The defendants were convicted under the section of the {{w|Criminal Code of Finland}} concerning {{w|crimes against humanity}}, over a pamphlet written by Räsänen, edited by Pohjola, and published by the Luther Foundation and the Evangelical Lutheran Mission Diocese that made claims about {{w|homosexuality|foreign=force}} that contradicted the consensus of the {{w|scientific community}}. The decision was a significant precedent with implications for future rulings pertaining to the legal intersection of {{w|freedom of speech|foreign=force}} and {{w|freedom of religion}} with {{w|hate speech}} and crimes against humanity as well as {{w|LGBT rights}} and {{w|human rights|foreign=force}} in {{w|liberal democracy|liberal democracies}}. 

In the pamphlet, ''Male and Female He Created Them: Homosexual Relationships Challenge the Christian Concept of Humanity'', Räsänen argued her belief that homosexuality and {{w|Christianity|foreign=force}} are incompatible. She claimed that homosexuality was a &quot;sexual abnormality&quot; and a &quot;developmental disorder&quot;, quoting verses from the {{w|Bible}} to support her argument. The court stated that these claims are contrary to the global {{w|scientific consensus}} that homosexuality is a natural and normal variation of {{w|human sexuality}}, not a disease or disorder. Upon closer examination, the court found that while the parts of the pamphlet were merely subjective religious opinions, other portions {{w|dehumanization|dehumanised}} gays and lesbians on the basis of their sexual orientation, constituting crimes against humanity.

The response to the ruling from Finnish politicians was mixed. The {{w|Prime Minister of Finland}}, {{w|Petteri Orpo}}, of the centre-right {{w|National Coalition Party}}, took a stand against political interference in the judiciary and stated that &quot;politicians should not comment on court decisions&quot;. Those from Räsänen's Christian Democrats party and the right-wing {{w|Finns Party}} criticised the court's decision, with {{w|Riikka Purra}}, the {{w|Deputy Prime Minister of Finland}} posting on social media: &quot;Freedom of speech took another serious hit today through the supreme court’s voting decision.&quot; Other politicians praised the decision, with opposition party leader, {{w|Sofia Virta}}, of the centre-left {{w|Green League}}, saying that &quot;Finland is a country where people must not be labelled or mocked without consequence. Freedom of speech is important, but it comes with responsibility.&quot;

The court dismissed a related charge against Räsänen over a post on {{w|X (social network)|X}} (then a {{w|Tweet (social media)|tweet}} on Twitter), that quoted a series of Bible verses, ''Romans 1:24–27'', to back her beliefs about {{w|same-sex relationship}}s, finding that it was a subjective religious opinion.

The Supreme Court punished Räsänen and Pohjola with 20 day individual fines each that vary depending on individual income or approximately €1800 each, and the Evangelical Lutheran Mission Diocese and the Luther Foundation with a corporate fine of €5000, with the latter entities also required take down the false claims.

{{haveyoursay}}

==Sources==
*{{source|url=https://www.wma.net/what-we-do/human-rights/lgbt/|pub=World Medical Association|title=LGBT {{!}} Health and Natural Variations of Human Sexuality|date=March 28, 2026 (date of access)}}
*{{source|url=https://www.christianitytoday.com/2026/03/finnish-parlimentarian-paivi-rasanen-christian-hate-speech/|title=Finland’s Top Court Split on Christian Politician’s Hate Speech Charges|pub=Christianity Today|author=Ken Chitwood|date=March 27, 2026}}
*{{source|url=https://www.helsinkitimes.fi/finland/finland-news/domestic/28665-supreme-court-convicts-mp-paeivi-raesaenen-over-hate-speech.html|title=Supreme Court convicts MP Päivi Räsänen over hate speech|pub=Helsinki Times|author=|date=March 27, 2026}}
*{{source|url=https://www.christian.org.uk/news/finnish-christian-mp-convicted-of-crimes-against-humanity-for-church-booklet-on-marriage/|title=Finnish Christian MP convicted of ‘crimes against humanity’ for church booklet on marriage|pub=Christian Institute|date=March 26, 2026}}
*{{source|url=https://www.christiantoday.com/news/landmark-ruling-expected-in-finnish-politician-s-bible-tweet-case|title=Landmark ruling expected in Finnish politician's Bible tweet case|pub=Christian Today|date=March 26, 2026}}
*{{source|url=https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/mar/26/finnish-mp-paivi-rasanen-convicted-homosexuality-developmental-disorder|title=Finnish MP convicted for saying homosexuality is ‘developmental disorder’|pub=The Guardian|author=Miranda Bryant|date=March 26, 2026}}
*{{source|url=https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/paivi-rasanen-homosexuality-supreme-court-finland-b2946208.html|title=Supreme Court fines European MP over homosexuality comments|pub=The Independent|author=Anne Kauranen|date=March 26, 2026}}
*{{source|url=https://www.reuters.com/world/finlands-supreme-court-fines-mp-calling-homosexuality-developmental-disorder-2026-03-26/|title=Finland's Supreme Court fines MP for calling homosexuality 'developmental disorder'|pub=Reuters|author=Anne Kauranen|date=March 26, 2026}}
*{{source|url=https://www.wma.net/policies-post/wma-statement-on-natural-variations-of-human-sexuality/|title=WMA STATEMENT ON NATURAL VARIATIONS OF HUMAN SEXUALITY|pub=World Medical Association|date=October 18, 2013}}
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The Supreme Court punished Räsänen and Pohjola with 20 day individual fines each that vary depending on individual income or approximately €1800 each, and the Evangelical Lutheran Mission Diocese and the Luther Foundation with a corporate fine of €5000, with the latter entities also required take down the false claims.

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The court dismissed a related charge against Räsänen over a post on {{w|X (social network)|X}} (then a {{w|Tweet (social media)|tweet}} on Twitter), that quoted a series of Bible verses, ''Romans 1:24–27'', to back her beliefs about {{w|same-sex relationship}}s, finding that it was a subjective religious opinion.

{{haveyoursay}}

==Sources==
*{{source|url=https://www.wma.net/what-we-do/human-rights/lgbt/|pub=World Medical Association|title=LGBT {{!}} Health and Natural Variations of Human Sexuality|date=March 28, 2026 (date of access)}}
*{{source|url=https://www.christianitytoday.com/2026/03/finnish-parlimentarian-paivi-rasanen-christian-hate-speech/|title=Finland’s Top Court Split on Christian Politician’s Hate Speech Charges|pub=Christianity Today|author=Ken Chitwood|date=March 27, 2026}}
*{{source|url=https://www.helsinkitimes.fi/finland/finland-news/domestic/28665-supreme-court-convicts-mp-paeivi-raesaenen-over-hate-speech.html|title=Supreme Court convicts MP Päivi Räsänen over hate speech|pub=Helsinki Times|author=|date=March 27, 2026}}
*{{source|url=https://www.christian.org.uk/news/finnish-christian-mp-convicted-of-crimes-against-humanity-for-church-booklet-on-marriage/|title=Finnish Christian MP convicted of ‘crimes against humanity’ for church booklet on marriage|pub=Christian Institute|date=March 26, 2026}}
*{{source|url=https://www.christiantoday.com/news/landmark-ruling-expected-in-finnish-politician-s-bible-tweet-case|title=Landmark ruling expected in Finnish politician's Bible tweet case|pub=Christian Today|date=March 26, 2026}}
*{{source|url=https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/mar/26/finnish-mp-paivi-rasanen-convicted-homosexuality-developmental-disorder|title=Finnish MP convicted for saying homosexuality is ‘developmental disorder’|pub=The Guardian|author=Miranda Bryant|date=March 26, 2026}}
*{{source|url=https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/paivi-rasanen-homosexuality-supreme-court-finland-b2946208.html|title=Supreme Court fines European MP over homosexuality comments|pub=The Independent|author=Anne Kauranen|date=March 26, 2026}}
*{{source|url=https://www.reuters.com/world/finlands-supreme-court-fines-mp-calling-homosexuality-developmental-disorder-2026-03-26/|title=Finland's Supreme Court fines MP for calling homosexuality 'developmental disorder'|pub=Reuters|author=Anne Kauranen|date=March 26, 2026}}
*{{source|url=https://www.wma.net/policies-post/wma-statement-on-natural-variations-of-human-sexuality/|title=WMA STATEMENT ON NATURAL VARIATIONS OF HUMAN SEXUALITY|pub=World Medical Association|date=October 18, 2013}}
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The Supreme Court punished Räsänen and Pohjola with 20 day individual fines each that vary depending on individual income or approximately €1800 each, and the Evangelical Lutheran Mission Diocese and the Luther Foundation with a corporate fine of €5000, with the latter entities also required take down the false claims. The Supreme Court dismissed a related charge against Räsänen over a post on {{w|X (social network)|X}} (then a {{w|Tweet (social media)|tweet}} on Twitter), that quoted a series of Bible verses, ''Romans 1:24–27'', to back her beliefs about {{w|same-sex relationship}}s, finding that it was merely a subjective religious opinion

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{{haveyoursay}}

==Sources==
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*{{source|url=https://www.christianitytoday.com/2026/03/finnish-parlimentarian-paivi-rasanen-christian-hate-speech/|title=Finland’s Top Court Split on Christian Politician’s Hate Speech Charges|pub=Christianity Today|author=Ken Chitwood|date=March 27, 2026}}
*{{source|url=https://www.helsinkitimes.fi/finland/finland-news/domestic/28665-supreme-court-convicts-mp-paeivi-raesaenen-over-hate-speech.html|title=Supreme Court convicts MP Päivi Räsänen over hate speech|pub=Helsinki Times|author=|date=March 27, 2026}}
*{{source|url=https://www.christian.org.uk/news/finnish-christian-mp-convicted-of-crimes-against-humanity-for-church-booklet-on-marriage/|title=Finnish Christian MP convicted of ‘crimes against humanity’ for church booklet on marriage|pub=Christian Institute|date=March 26, 2026}}
*{{source|url=https://www.christiantoday.com/news/landmark-ruling-expected-in-finnish-politician-s-bible-tweet-case|title=Landmark ruling expected in Finnish politician's Bible tweet case|pub=Christian Today|date=March 26, 2026}}
*{{source|url=https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/mar/26/finnish-mp-paivi-rasanen-convicted-homosexuality-developmental-disorder|title=Finnish MP convicted for saying homosexuality is ‘developmental disorder’|pub=The Guardian|author=Miranda Bryant|date=March 26, 2026}}
*{{source|url=https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/paivi-rasanen-homosexuality-supreme-court-finland-b2946208.html|title=Supreme Court fines European MP over homosexuality comments|pub=The Independent|author=Anne Kauranen|date=March 26, 2026}}
*{{source|url=https://www.reuters.com/world/finlands-supreme-court-fines-mp-calling-homosexuality-developmental-disorder-2026-03-26/|title=Finland's Supreme Court fines MP for calling homosexuality 'developmental disorder'|pub=Reuters|author=Anne Kauranen|date=March 26, 2026}}
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In the pamphlet, ''Male and Female He Created Them: Homosexual Relationships Challenge the Christian Concept of Humanity'', Räsänen argued her belief that homosexuality and {{w|Christianity|foreign=force}} are incompatible. She claimed that homosexuality was a &quot;sexual abnormality&quot; and a &quot;developmental disorder&quot;, quoting verses from the {{w|Bible}} to support her argument. The court stated that these claims are contrary to the global {{w|scientific consensus}} that homosexuality is a natural and normal variation of {{w|human sexuality}}, not a disease or disorder. Upon closer examination, the court found that while the parts of the pamphlet were merely subjective religious opinions, other portions {{w|dehumanization|dehumanised}} gays and lesbians on the basis of their sexual orientation, constituting crimes against humanity.

The Supreme Court punished Räsänen and Pohjola with 20 day individual fines each that vary depending on individual income or approximately €1800 each, and the Evangelical Lutheran Mission Diocese and the Luther Foundation with a corporate fine of €5000, with the latter entities also required take down the false claims. The Supreme Court dismissed a related charge against Räsänen over a post on {{w|X (social network)|X}} (then a {{w|Tweet (social media)|tweet}} on Twitter), that quoted a series of Bible verses, ''Romans 1:24–27'', to back her beliefs about {{w|same-sex relationship}}s, finding that it was merely a subjective religious opinion

The response to the ruling from Finnish politicians was mixed. The {{w|Prime Minister of Finland}}, {{w|Petteri Orpo}}, of the centre-right {{w|National Coalition Party}}, took a stand against political interference in the judiciary and stated that &quot;politicians should not comment on court decisions&quot;. Those from Räsänen's Christian Democrats party and the right-wing {{w|Finns Party}} criticised the court's decision, with {{w|Riikka Purra}}, the {{w|Deputy Prime Minister of Finland}} posting on social media: &quot;Freedom of speech took another serious hit today through the supreme court’s voting decision.&quot; Other politicians praised the decision, with opposition party leader, {{w|Sofia Virta}}, of the centre-left {{w|Green League}}, saying that &quot;Finland is a country where people must not be labelled or mocked without consequence. Freedom of speech is important, but it comes with responsibility.&quot;.

{{haveyoursay}}

==Sources==
*{{source|url=https://www.wma.net/what-we-do/human-rights/lgbt/|pub=World Medical Association|title=LGBT {{!}} Health and Natural Variations of Human Sexuality|date=March 28, 2026 (date of access)}}
*{{source|url=https://www.christianitytoday.com/2026/03/finnish-parlimentarian-paivi-rasanen-christian-hate-speech/|title=Finland’s Top Court Split on Christian Politician’s Hate Speech Charges|pub=Christianity Today|author=Ken Chitwood|date=March 27, 2026}}
*{{source|url=https://www.helsinkitimes.fi/finland/finland-news/domestic/28665-supreme-court-convicts-mp-paeivi-raesaenen-over-hate-speech.html|title=Supreme Court convicts MP Päivi Räsänen over hate speech|pub=Helsinki Times|author=|date=March 27, 2026}}
*{{source|url=https://www.christian.org.uk/news/finnish-christian-mp-convicted-of-crimes-against-humanity-for-church-booklet-on-marriage/|title=Finnish Christian MP convicted of ‘crimes against humanity’ for church booklet on marriage|pub=Christian Institute|date=March 26, 2026}}
*{{source|url=https://www.christiantoday.com/news/landmark-ruling-expected-in-finnish-politician-s-bible-tweet-case|title=Landmark ruling expected in Finnish politician's Bible tweet case|pub=Christian Today|date=March 26, 2026}}
*{{source|url=https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/mar/26/finnish-mp-paivi-rasanen-convicted-homosexuality-developmental-disorder|title=Finnish MP convicted for saying homosexuality is ‘developmental disorder’|pub=The Guardian|author=Miranda Bryant|date=March 26, 2026}}
*{{source|url=https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/paivi-rasanen-homosexuality-supreme-court-finland-b2946208.html|title=Supreme Court fines European MP over homosexuality comments|pub=The Independent|author=Anne Kauranen|date=March 26, 2026}}
*{{source|url=https://www.reuters.com/world/finlands-supreme-court-fines-mp-calling-homosexuality-developmental-disorder-2026-03-26/|title=Finland's Supreme Court fines MP for calling homosexuality 'developmental disorder'|pub=Reuters|author=Anne Kauranen|date=March 26, 2026}}
*{{source|url=https://www.wma.net/policies-post/wma-statement-on-natural-variations-of-human-sexuality/|title=WMA STATEMENT ON NATURAL VARIATIONS OF HUMAN SEXUALITY|pub=World Medical Association|date=October 18, 2013}}
*{{source|url=https://www.wma.net/news-post/wma-condemns-portrayal-of-homosexuality-as-a-disease/|title=WMA CONDEMNS PORTRAYAL OF HOMOSEXUALITY AS A DISEASE|pub=World Medical Association|date=October 21, 2013}}

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In a landmark ruling on March 26, the {{w|Supreme Court of Finland}} convicted {{w|Päivi Räsänen}}, a member of the {{w|Christian Democrats (Finland)|Christian Democrats}} party in the {{w|Parliament of Finland}} and {{w|Juhana Pohjola}}, the bishop of the {{w|Evangelical Lutheran Mission Diocese of Finland}}, as well as the {{w|Luther Foundation of Finland}} and the {{w|Evangelical Lutheran Mission Diocese of Finland}} of {{w|crimes against humanity|crimes against the humanity}} of gays and lesbians. The defendants were convicted under the section of the {{w|Criminal Code of Finland}} concerning {{w|crimes against humanity}}, over a pamphlet written by Räsänen, edited by Pohjola, and published by the Luther Foundation and the Evangelical Lutheran Mission Diocese that made claims about {{w|homosexuality|foreign=force}} that contradicted the consensus of the {{w|scientific community}}. The decision was a significant precedent with implications for future rulings pertaining to the legal intersection of {{w|freedom of speech|foreign=force}} and {{w|freedom of religion}} with {{w|hate speech}} and crimes against humanity as well as {{w|LGBT rights}} and {{w|human rights|foreign=force}} in {{w|liberal democracy|liberal democracies}}. 

In the pamphlet, ''Male and Female He Created Them: Homosexual Relationships Challenge the Christian Concept of Humanity'', Räsänen argued her belief that homosexuality and {{w|Christianity|foreign=force}} are incompatible. She claimed that homosexuality was a &quot;sexual abnormality&quot; and a &quot;developmental disorder&quot;, quoting verses from the {{w|Bible}} to support her argument. The court stated that these claims are contrary to the global {{w|scientific consensus}} that homosexuality is a natural and normal variation of {{w|human sexuality}}, not a disease or disorder. Upon closer examination, the court found that while the parts of the pamphlet were merely subjective religious opinions, other portions {{w|dehumanization|dehumanised}} gays and lesbians on the basis of their sexual orientation, constituting crimes against humanity.

The Supreme Court punished Räsänen and Pohjola with 20 day individual fines each that vary depending on individual income or approximately €1800 each, and the Evangelical Lutheran Mission Diocese and the Luther Foundation with a corporate fine of €5000, with the latter entities also required take down the false claims. The Supreme Court dismissed a related charge against Räsänen over a post on {{w|X (social network)|X}} (then a {{w|Tweet (social media)|tweet}} on Twitter), that quoted a series of Bible verses, ''Romans 1:24–27'', to back her beliefs about {{w|same-sex relationship}}s, finding that it was merely a subjective religious opinion

The response to the ruling from Finnish politicians was mixed. The {{w|Prime Minister of Finland}}, {{w|Petteri Orpo}}, of the centre-right {{w|National Coalition Party}}, took a stand against political interference in the judiciary and stated that &quot;politicians should not comment on court decisions&quot;. Those from Räsänen's Christian Democrats party and the right-wing {{w|Finns Party}} criticised the court's decision, with {{w|Riikka Purra}}, the {{w|Deputy Prime Minister of Finland}} posting on social media: &quot;Freedom of speech took another serious hit today through the supreme court’s voting decision.&quot; Other politicians praised the decision, with opposition party leader, {{w|Sofia Virta}}, of the centre-left {{w|Green League}}, saying that &quot;Finland is a country where people must not be labelled or mocked without consequence. Freedom of speech is important, but it comes with responsibility.&quot;.

{{haveyoursay}}

==Sources==
*{{source|url=https://www.wma.net/what-we-do/human-rights/lgbt/|pub=World Medical Association|title=LGBT {{!}} Health and Natural Variations of Human Sexuality|date=March 28, 2026 (date of access)}}
*{{source|url=https://www.christianitytoday.com/2026/03/finnish-parlimentarian-paivi-rasanen-christian-hate-speech/|title=Finland’s Top Court Split on Christian Politician’s Hate Speech Charges|pub=Christianity Today|author=Ken Chitwood|date=March 27, 2026}}
*{{source|url=https://www.helsinkitimes.fi/finland/finland-news/domestic/28665-supreme-court-convicts-mp-paeivi-raesaenen-over-hate-speech.html|title=Supreme Court convicts MP Päivi Räsänen over hate speech|pub=Helsinki Times|author=|date=March 27, 2026}}
*{{source|url=https://www.christian.org.uk/news/finnish-christian-mp-convicted-of-crimes-against-humanity-for-church-booklet-on-marriage/|title=Finnish Christian MP convicted of ‘crimes against humanity’ for church booklet on marriage|pub=Christian Institute|date=March 26, 2026}}
*{{source|url=https://www.christiantoday.com/news/landmark-ruling-expected-in-finnish-politician-s-bible-tweet-case|title=Landmark ruling expected in Finnish politician's Bible tweet case|pub=Christian Today|date=March 26, 2026}}
*{{source|url=https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/mar/26/finnish-mp-paivi-rasanen-convicted-homosexuality-developmental-disorder|title=Finnish MP convicted for saying homosexuality is ‘developmental disorder’|pub=The Guardian|author=Miranda Bryant|date=March 26, 2026}}
*{{source|url=https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/paivi-rasanen-homosexuality-supreme-court-finland-b2946208.html|title=Supreme Court fines European MP over homosexuality comments|pub=The Independent|author=Anne Kauranen|date=March 26, 2026}}
*{{source|url=https://www.reuters.com/world/finlands-supreme-court-fines-mp-calling-homosexuality-developmental-disorder-2026-03-26/|title=Finland's Supreme Court fines MP for calling homosexuality 'developmental disorder'|pub=Reuters|author=Anne Kauranen|date=March 26, 2026}}
*{{source|url=https://www.wma.net/policies-post/wma-statement-on-natural-variations-of-human-sexuality/|title=WMA STATEMENT ON NATURAL VARIATIONS OF HUMAN SEXUALITY|pub=World Medical Association|date=October 18, 2013}}
*{{source|url=https://www.wma.net/news-post/wma-condemns-portrayal-of-homosexuality-as-a-disease/|title=WMA CONDEMNS PORTRAYAL OF HOMOSEXUALITY AS A DISEASE|pub=World Medical Association|date=October 21, 2013}}

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      <text bytes="16106" sha1="jqwbdgjucqe6paxmcvugmfctr8npdfq" xml:space="preserve">== Headline question ==

I questioned the use of the term &quot;crimes against humanity&quot; in the headline and lead paragraph based on the following:

:I would note that one of the cited sources, [https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/mar/26/finnish-mp-paivi-rasanen-convicted-homosexuality-developmental-disorder this article from The Guardian], begins with the sentence, &quot;A Finnish member of parliament has been found guilty by the country’s supreme court of inciting hatred after claiming that homosexuality was a 'developmental disorder', in a conviction that prompted criticism from far-right government ministers.&quot; That source doesn't even mention the term &quot;crimes against humanity&quot; at all. Another cited article from [https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/paivi-rasanen-homosexuality-supreme-court-finland-b2946208.html The Independent] doesn't mention &quot;crimes against humanity&quot;, either. I am also concerned that the use of the term &quot;{{w|crimes against humanity}}&quot; may be considered misleading as to the nature of the charges involved notwithstanding how the term is used in the Finnish Criminal Code which few English Wikinews readers may be familiar with.
[[User:Metropolitan90|Metropolitan90]] ([[User talk:Metropolitan90|talk]]) 01:16, 28 March 2026 (UTC)

:Hello, Metropolitan90! [[User_talk:Metropolitan90#c-Justthefacts-20260328005600-Regarding your move of my article|As I also noted in a message to you on your user talk page]], the actual charge, the actual crime, and the actual conviction all fall under the section of the {{w|Criminal Code of Finland}} that concerns {{w|crimes against humanity}}. Moreover, there is a particular focus from several sources on the fact that Räsänen and Pohjola were convicted under the section of the Criminal Code of Finland that concerns crimes against humanity. If there are any ambiguities at all, all will be resolved when readers read the article itself. [[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 01:37, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::Two of the cited sources ([https://www.christiantoday.com/news/landmark-ruling-expected-in-finnish-politician-s-bible-tweet-case Christian Today], [https://adfinternational.org/news/breaking-landmark-ruling-expected-in-finnish-bible-tweet-case-tomorrow ADF International]) both say that Rasanen was convicted under a section titled “war crimes and crimes against humanity”, but I hope we're not going to change the headline to say that Rasanen and Pohjola were convicted of war crimes, too. --[[User:Metropolitan90|Metropolitan90]] ([[User talk:Metropolitan90|talk]]) 01:57, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::The section specifically concerns crimes against  humanity and courts determine the severity of the crimes against humanity that were committed, which can range from simply dehumanising a minority to genocide and war crimes. The section of the criminal code of Finland is based on the expertise and scholarship of experts and scholars of crimes against humanity who hold that crimes against humanity begin relatively simple in the form of simply dehumanising minorities and continue escalating until eventually genocide and war crimes. This landmark ruling is precisely regarded as such because it considers that even the most simplest form, dehumanising a minority, does indeed constitute a crime against humanity in and of itself. --[[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 02:04, 28 March 2026 (UTC)

==Luther Foundation==
Where does it say that the Luther Foundation was convicted, too? I just checked all of the cited sources and I couldn't find where any of them said that the Luther Foundation was also convicted. In fact, I only saw the phrase &quot;Luther Foundation&quot; in two of the articles ([https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/mar/26/finnish-mp-paivi-rasanen-convicted-homosexuality-developmental-disorder The Guardian] and [https://www.christianitytoday.com/2026/03/finnish-parlimentarian-paivi-rasanen-christian-hate-speech/ Christianity Today]). --[[User:Metropolitan90|Metropolitan90]] ([[User talk:Metropolitan90|talk]]) 15:03, 28 March 2026 (UTC)

:Resolved. [[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 18:01, 28 March 2026 (UTC)

== Minor revision requested ==

@[[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] The article's lead section is required to state when the focal point event took place (calendar day, day of the week, ect.). Can you add that in real quick? I would add it myself but I intend to review this article. Thanks. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 23:31, 28 March 2026 (UTC)

:March 26, 2026 Alliance Defending Freedom International
:@[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 00:35, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::Claude AI helped me. Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 00:35, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Can you add to the article that the ruling happened on Thursday so I don't have to? [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 00:48, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::Thank you @[[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]]. [[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 18:03, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

== Might want to read this ==

The '''headline''' you referenced is a somewhat sensationalized framing of the case, but here's what actually happened: In a narrow 3–2 decision, the Finnish Supreme Court found parliamentarian Päivi Räsänen guilty of &quot;hate speech&quot; related to the expression of her beliefs on marriage and sexual ethics in a 2004 church pamphlet. Alliance Defending Freedom International

@[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 00:37, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

:https://claude.ai/chat/aa894899-c1f6-4236-964a-f90a3f25a23b Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 00:44, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::What is this? [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 00:47, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::The '''headline''' you referenced is a somewhat sensationalized framing of the case, but here's what actually happened: In a narrow 3–2 decision, the Finnish Supreme Court found parliamentarian Päivi Räsänen guilty of &quot;hate speech&quot; related to the expression of her beliefs on marriage and sexual ethics in a 2004 church pamphlet.I asked Claude and this is what was said about the headline.
:::The '''headline''' you referenced is a somewhat sensationalized framing of the case, but here's what actually happened: In a narrow 3–2 decision, the Finnish Supreme Court found parliamentarian Päivi Räsänen guilty of &quot;hate speech&quot; related to the expression of her beliefs on marriage and sexual ethics in a 2004 church pamphlet.
:::@[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]], thanks. Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 00:52, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:The actual charge, actual crime, and actual conviction are all under the section of the {{w|Criminal Code of Finland}} that concerns {{w|crimes against humanity}}. Any {{w|Artificial intelligence}}, {{w|chatbot}}, {{w|generative AI}}, {{w|large language model}} can be incorrect about the facts, which is why it is necessary to manually verify. Thank for your involvement nonetheless, @[[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]]. [[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 18:02, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

== More headline problems ==

The headline now says, &quot;Supreme Court of Finland makes crimes against the humanity convictions in landmark ruling&quot;. This doesn't sound like idiomatic English. The commonly used phrase is &quot;crimes against humanity&quot;, not &quot;crimes against the humanity&quot;, at least in this context (note that it no longer says &quot;crimes against the humanity of gays and lesbians&quot;). Also, the phrase that a court &quot;makes [name of crime] convictions&quot; is awkward. I wouldn't write that a court &quot;makes murder convictions&quot;, &quot;makes kidnapping convictions&quot;, etc.; I would write that a court &quot;convicts [someone] of murder&quot;, &quot;convicts [someone] of kidnapping&quot;, etc. Or in this case, the Supreme Court of Finland convicts [the specified defendants] of crimes against humanity, although several versions of the headline has gone back and forth as to whether to refer to them by name, as politicians, or as Christians. -- [[User:Metropolitan90|Metropolitan90]] ([[User talk:Metropolitan90|talk]]) 02:57, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

:I agree that it is too vague tom simply say that the Supreme Court of Finland made convictions. It should say against Christians, rather than by name or politicians, because there are four defendants, of whom two are individuals and of whom only one is politician and the other is a bishop, and the other two defendants are institutions, and the only thing that they have in common is that they are all Christian. [[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 20:34, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

== Way too many sources  ==

I'm sorry but its just going to take me way too long to review this given that there are like ten sources used in the article and I don't even know if all of them are required to verify the info, I am very overwhelmed at this point, other editors have been moaning and bitching about the way I review articles, and the WMF is now officially closing Wikinews next month so there's no point in finishing this anyway. You can try and see if someone else can review this, but given the way things have been going here the last six months I would not bank on it, man. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 12:41, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

:I used a significant amount of sources just to be sure, because this is my very first ever Wikinews article! I really appreciate your edits and your work! Could you try and see this through to the end? I really put in a lot of work into this article and would really like to see it published! [[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 22:51, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::@[[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]], come join my news wiki. Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 22:52, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::https://newswikien.fandom.com/wiki/NewsWikiEN_Wiki Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 22:52, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::Yes, I will try. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 00:02, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

== Review of revision 5003204 [Not ready] ==

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== Note to reviewer(s) ==

Hello,

I edited the text to remove one sentence that was vague and created bias ( is consistently ranked at or near the top of various indices of freedom and democracy, and is therefore broadly considered to be a model liberal democracy.) this sentence may be re-added if details is included.

I re-ordered for inverted pyramid

I re-worded for past tense

I added clarifications where possible to avoid bias and make the article more neutral

and I submitted it for review. Hope this is helpful. Newsworthiness is an issue and I hope it can be passed with exception as articles were not published for a while.

Please also note I posted a section [https://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikinews:Water_cooler/proposals#Proposal_to_cease_publishing_after_around_April_14 here]. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 08:16, 5 April 2026 (UTC)

== Review of revision 5005122 [Not ready] ==

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== Review of revision 5005210 [Passed] ==

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| comments = News is over a week old but I am publishing. The headline could be better but there is so much controversy about how to put it properly that I am content with the current revision.

Overall as a piece of feedback, it is necessary to be more factual and as much as possible insert facts rather than qualitative characterizations. I believe this has substantially improved in the last few days as the article has been revised. Thank you.

I have read the talk page and I believe the concerns there have been satisfactorily addressed in the recent edits and in the resulting current revision.

Copyright check passed flagging only the quote(s) included in the text.

I am recommending to add a sentence about expected consequence (fine, jail time) or if it is unknown then, when is this expected to be determined. If you could please make this change within 24 hours, then it could be sighted and be included in the report.
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-- [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 01:33, 6 April 2026 (UTC)
: I find the publication of this article problematic. I agree with @[[User:Metropolitan90|Metropolitan90]] above regarding the headline as well as our use of the term 'crimes against humanity.'&lt;br&gt; There is not adequate, independent support to state that anyone has been found guilty &quot;of crimes against the humanity of gays and lesbians.&quot; The available reporting does not support that characterization.&lt;br&gt; Reuters stated the conviction was for ''incitement'':&lt;blockquote&gt;The court found Paivi Rasanen, a medical doctor and MP for the small Christian Democratic party since 1995, guilty of incitement against a group by claiming in ​a social media post in 2019 and on her website in 2020 ​that it was scientifically proven that homosexuality was a developmental disorder.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Machine translation of the [https://korkeinoikeus.fi/fi/index/ennakkopaatokset/kko202627.html&lt;br&gt; Supreme Court's release] states the following:&lt;blockquote&gt;A is charged with incitement against a group of people between November 4, 2019 and January 24, 2022 (count 1), for which he is sentenced to a 20-day fine.&lt;br&gt; B is charged with incitement against a group of people between November 4, 2019 and January 24, 2022 (count 2), for which he is sentenced to a 20-day fine.&lt;br&gt; The X Foundation is sentenced to a corporate fine of 5,000 euros.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Both the reporting and the court’s own release describe the offense as incitement against a group. I do not see support for describing the conviction as 'crimes against humanity,' and that appears to be a mischaracterization of the ruling.&lt;br&gt; While one listed source uses that phrasing, it originates from Christian Institute. That phrasing appears in the headline, while the body of the article instead states: ''&quot;This offence is listed under a chapter of criminal code entitled “war crimes and crimes against humanity”.'' This reflects a description of the structure of the criminal code rather than the charge or conviction itself, and does not support the wording used in the article.&lt;br&gt; Similarly, Christian Today is a perspective-driven publication and does not provide the level of independent, objective reporting needed to support such a claim.&lt;br&gt; Given that higher-quality, independent sources consistently describe the offense as incitement, I do not see a basis for retaining the current wording.&lt;br&gt; @[[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]], as the publishing reviewer, what steps will be taken to correct this?[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 11:57, 6 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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I questioned the use of the term &quot;crimes against humanity&quot; in the headline and lead paragraph based on the following:

:I would note that one of the cited sources, [https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/mar/26/finnish-mp-paivi-rasanen-convicted-homosexuality-developmental-disorder this article from The Guardian], begins with the sentence, &quot;A Finnish member of parliament has been found guilty by the country’s supreme court of inciting hatred after claiming that homosexuality was a 'developmental disorder', in a conviction that prompted criticism from far-right government ministers.&quot; That source doesn't even mention the term &quot;crimes against humanity&quot; at all. Another cited article from [https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/paivi-rasanen-homosexuality-supreme-court-finland-b2946208.html The Independent] doesn't mention &quot;crimes against humanity&quot;, either. I am also concerned that the use of the term &quot;{{w|crimes against humanity}}&quot; may be considered misleading as to the nature of the charges involved notwithstanding how the term is used in the Finnish Criminal Code which few English Wikinews readers may be familiar with.
[[User:Metropolitan90|Metropolitan90]] ([[User talk:Metropolitan90|talk]]) 01:16, 28 March 2026 (UTC)

:Hello, Metropolitan90! [[User_talk:Metropolitan90#c-Justthefacts-20260328005600-Regarding your move of my article|As I also noted in a message to you on your user talk page]], the actual charge, the actual crime, and the actual conviction all fall under the section of the {{w|Criminal Code of Finland}} that concerns {{w|crimes against humanity}}. Moreover, there is a particular focus from several sources on the fact that Räsänen and Pohjola were convicted under the section of the Criminal Code of Finland that concerns crimes against humanity. If there are any ambiguities at all, all will be resolved when readers read the article itself. [[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 01:37, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::Two of the cited sources ([https://www.christiantoday.com/news/landmark-ruling-expected-in-finnish-politician-s-bible-tweet-case Christian Today], [https://adfinternational.org/news/breaking-landmark-ruling-expected-in-finnish-bible-tweet-case-tomorrow ADF International]) both say that Rasanen was convicted under a section titled “war crimes and crimes against humanity”, but I hope we're not going to change the headline to say that Rasanen and Pohjola were convicted of war crimes, too. --[[User:Metropolitan90|Metropolitan90]] ([[User talk:Metropolitan90|talk]]) 01:57, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::The section specifically concerns crimes against  humanity and courts determine the severity of the crimes against humanity that were committed, which can range from simply dehumanising a minority to genocide and war crimes. The section of the criminal code of Finland is based on the expertise and scholarship of experts and scholars of crimes against humanity who hold that crimes against humanity begin relatively simple in the form of simply dehumanising minorities and continue escalating until eventually genocide and war crimes. This landmark ruling is precisely regarded as such because it considers that even the most simplest form, dehumanising a minority, does indeed constitute a crime against humanity in and of itself. --[[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 02:04, 28 March 2026 (UTC)

==Luther Foundation==
Where does it say that the Luther Foundation was convicted, too? I just checked all of the cited sources and I couldn't find where any of them said that the Luther Foundation was also convicted. In fact, I only saw the phrase &quot;Luther Foundation&quot; in two of the articles ([https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/mar/26/finnish-mp-paivi-rasanen-convicted-homosexuality-developmental-disorder The Guardian] and [https://www.christianitytoday.com/2026/03/finnish-parlimentarian-paivi-rasanen-christian-hate-speech/ Christianity Today]). --[[User:Metropolitan90|Metropolitan90]] ([[User talk:Metropolitan90|talk]]) 15:03, 28 March 2026 (UTC)

:Resolved. [[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 18:01, 28 March 2026 (UTC)

== Minor revision requested ==

@[[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] The article's lead section is required to state when the focal point event took place (calendar day, day of the week, ect.). Can you add that in real quick? I would add it myself but I intend to review this article. Thanks. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 23:31, 28 March 2026 (UTC)

:March 26, 2026 Alliance Defending Freedom International
:@[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 00:35, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::Claude AI helped me. Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 00:35, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Can you add to the article that the ruling happened on Thursday so I don't have to? [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 00:48, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::Thank you @[[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]]. [[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 18:03, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

== Might want to read this ==

The '''headline''' you referenced is a somewhat sensationalized framing of the case, but here's what actually happened: In a narrow 3–2 decision, the Finnish Supreme Court found parliamentarian Päivi Räsänen guilty of &quot;hate speech&quot; related to the expression of her beliefs on marriage and sexual ethics in a 2004 church pamphlet. Alliance Defending Freedom International

@[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 00:37, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

:https://claude.ai/chat/aa894899-c1f6-4236-964a-f90a3f25a23b Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 00:44, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::What is this? [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 00:47, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::The '''headline''' you referenced is a somewhat sensationalized framing of the case, but here's what actually happened: In a narrow 3–2 decision, the Finnish Supreme Court found parliamentarian Päivi Räsänen guilty of &quot;hate speech&quot; related to the expression of her beliefs on marriage and sexual ethics in a 2004 church pamphlet.I asked Claude and this is what was said about the headline.
:::The '''headline''' you referenced is a somewhat sensationalized framing of the case, but here's what actually happened: In a narrow 3–2 decision, the Finnish Supreme Court found parliamentarian Päivi Räsänen guilty of &quot;hate speech&quot; related to the expression of her beliefs on marriage and sexual ethics in a 2004 church pamphlet.
:::@[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]], thanks. Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 00:52, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:The actual charge, actual crime, and actual conviction are all under the section of the {{w|Criminal Code of Finland}} that concerns {{w|crimes against humanity}}. Any {{w|Artificial intelligence}}, {{w|chatbot}}, {{w|generative AI}}, {{w|large language model}} can be incorrect about the facts, which is why it is necessary to manually verify. Thank for your involvement nonetheless, @[[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]]. [[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 18:02, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

== More headline problems ==

The headline now says, &quot;Supreme Court of Finland makes crimes against the humanity convictions in landmark ruling&quot;. This doesn't sound like idiomatic English. The commonly used phrase is &quot;crimes against humanity&quot;, not &quot;crimes against the humanity&quot;, at least in this context (note that it no longer says &quot;crimes against the humanity of gays and lesbians&quot;). Also, the phrase that a court &quot;makes [name of crime] convictions&quot; is awkward. I wouldn't write that a court &quot;makes murder convictions&quot;, &quot;makes kidnapping convictions&quot;, etc.; I would write that a court &quot;convicts [someone] of murder&quot;, &quot;convicts [someone] of kidnapping&quot;, etc. Or in this case, the Supreme Court of Finland convicts [the specified defendants] of crimes against humanity, although several versions of the headline has gone back and forth as to whether to refer to them by name, as politicians, or as Christians. -- [[User:Metropolitan90|Metropolitan90]] ([[User talk:Metropolitan90|talk]]) 02:57, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

:I agree that it is too vague tom simply say that the Supreme Court of Finland made convictions. It should say against Christians, rather than by name or politicians, because there are four defendants, of whom two are individuals and of whom only one is politician and the other is a bishop, and the other two defendants are institutions, and the only thing that they have in common is that they are all Christian. [[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 20:34, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

== Way too many sources  ==

I'm sorry but its just going to take me way too long to review this given that there are like ten sources used in the article and I don't even know if all of them are required to verify the info, I am very overwhelmed at this point, other editors have been moaning and bitching about the way I review articles, and the WMF is now officially closing Wikinews next month so there's no point in finishing this anyway. You can try and see if someone else can review this, but given the way things have been going here the last six months I would not bank on it, man. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 12:41, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

:I used a significant amount of sources just to be sure, because this is my very first ever Wikinews article! I really appreciate your edits and your work! Could you try and see this through to the end? I really put in a lot of work into this article and would really like to see it published! [[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 22:51, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::@[[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]], come join my news wiki. Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 22:52, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::https://newswikien.fandom.com/wiki/NewsWikiEN_Wiki Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 22:52, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::Yes, I will try. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 00:02, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

== Review of revision 5003204 [Not ready] ==

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== Note to reviewer(s) ==

Hello,

I edited the text to remove one sentence that was vague and created bias ( is consistently ranked at or near the top of various indices of freedom and democracy, and is therefore broadly considered to be a model liberal democracy.) this sentence may be re-added if details is included.

I re-ordered for inverted pyramid

I re-worded for past tense

I added clarifications where possible to avoid bias and make the article more neutral

and I submitted it for review. Hope this is helpful. Newsworthiness is an issue and I hope it can be passed with exception as articles were not published for a while.

Please also note I posted a section [https://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikinews:Water_cooler/proposals#Proposal_to_cease_publishing_after_around_April_14 here]. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 08:16, 5 April 2026 (UTC)

== Review of revision 5005122 [Not ready] ==

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== Review of revision 5005210 [Passed] ==

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Overall as a piece of feedback, it is necessary to be more factual and as much as possible insert facts rather than qualitative characterizations. I believe this has substantially improved in the last few days as the article has been revised. Thank you.

I have read the talk page and I believe the concerns there have been satisfactorily addressed in the recent edits and in the resulting current revision.

Copyright check passed flagging only the quote(s) included in the text.

I am recommending to add a sentence about expected consequence (fine, jail time) or if it is unknown then, when is this expected to be determined. If you could please make this change within 24 hours, then it could be sighted and be included in the report.
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-- [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 01:33, 6 April 2026 (UTC)
: I find the publication of this article problematic. I agree with @[[User:Metropolitan90|Metropolitan90]] above regarding the headline as well as our use of the term 'crimes against humanity.'&lt;br&gt; There is not adequate, independent support to state that anyone has been found guilty &quot;of crimes against the humanity of gays and lesbians.&quot; The available reporting does not support that characterization.&lt;br&gt; Reuters stated the conviction was for ''incitement'':&lt;blockquote&gt;The court found Paivi Rasanen, a medical doctor and MP for the small Christian Democratic party since 1995, guilty of incitement against a group by claiming in ​a social media post in 2019 and on her website in 2020 ​that it was scientifically proven that homosexuality was a developmental disorder.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Machine translation of the [https://korkeinoikeus.fi/fi/index/ennakkopaatokset/kko202627.html Supreme Court's release] states the following:&lt;blockquote&gt;A is charged with incitement against a group of people between November 4, 2019 and January 24, 2022 (count 1), for which he is sentenced to a 20-day fine.&lt;br&gt; B is charged with incitement against a group of people between November 4, 2019 and January 24, 2022 (count 2), for which he is sentenced to a 20-day fine.&lt;br&gt; The X Foundation is sentenced to a corporate fine of 5,000 euros.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Both the reporting and the court’s own release describe the offense as incitement against a group. I do not see support for describing the conviction as 'crimes against humanity,' and that appears to be a mischaracterization of the ruling.&lt;br&gt; While one listed source uses that phrasing, it originates from Christian Institute. That phrasing appears in the headline, while the body of the article instead states: ''&quot;This offence is listed under a chapter of criminal code entitled “war crimes and crimes against humanity”.'' This reflects a description of the structure of the criminal code rather than the charge or conviction itself, and does not support the wording used in the article.&lt;br&gt; Similarly, Christian Today is a perspective-driven publication and does not provide the level of independent, objective reporting needed to support such a claim.&lt;br&gt; Given that higher-quality, independent sources consistently describe the offense as incitement, I do not see a basis for retaining the current wording.&lt;br&gt; @[[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]], as the publishing reviewer, what steps will be taken to correct this?[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 11:57, 6 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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      <text bytes="16106" sha1="bscbnbsjbowjsti9ecn7ku4lb4oe44d" xml:space="preserve">== Headline question ==

I questioned the use of the term &quot;crimes against humanity&quot; in the headline and lead paragraph based on the following:

:I would note that one of the cited sources, [https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/mar/26/finnish-mp-paivi-rasanen-convicted-homosexuality-developmental-disorder this article from The Guardian], begins with the sentence, &quot;A Finnish member of parliament has been found guilty by the country’s supreme court of inciting hatred after claiming that homosexuality was a 'developmental disorder', in a conviction that prompted criticism from far-right government ministers.&quot; That source doesn't even mention the term &quot;crimes against humanity&quot; at all. Another cited article from [https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/paivi-rasanen-homosexuality-supreme-court-finland-b2946208.html The Independent] doesn't mention &quot;crimes against humanity&quot;, either. I am also concerned that the use of the term &quot;{{w|crimes against humanity}}&quot; may be considered misleading as to the nature of the charges involved notwithstanding how the term is used in the Finnish Criminal Code which few English Wikinews readers may be familiar with.
[[User:Metropolitan90|Metropolitan90]] ([[User talk:Metropolitan90|talk]]) 01:16, 28 March 2026 (UTC)

:Hello, Metropolitan90! [[User_talk:Metropolitan90#c-Justthefacts-20260328005600-Regarding your move of my article|As I also noted in a message to you on your user talk page]], the actual charge, the actual crime, and the actual conviction all fall under the section of the {{w|Criminal Code of Finland}} that concerns {{w|crimes against humanity}}. Moreover, there is a particular focus from several sources on the fact that Räsänen and Pohjola were convicted under the section of the Criminal Code of Finland that concerns crimes against humanity. If there are any ambiguities at all, all will be resolved when readers read the article itself. [[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 01:37, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::Two of the cited sources ([https://www.christiantoday.com/news/landmark-ruling-expected-in-finnish-politician-s-bible-tweet-case Christian Today], [https://adfinternational.org/news/breaking-landmark-ruling-expected-in-finnish-bible-tweet-case-tomorrow ADF International]) both say that Rasanen was convicted under a section titled “war crimes and crimes against humanity”, but I hope we're not going to change the headline to say that Rasanen and Pohjola were convicted of war crimes, too. --[[User:Metropolitan90|Metropolitan90]] ([[User talk:Metropolitan90|talk]]) 01:57, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::The section specifically concerns crimes against  humanity and courts determine the severity of the crimes against humanity that were committed, which can range from simply dehumanising a minority to genocide and war crimes. The section of the criminal code of Finland is based on the expertise and scholarship of experts and scholars of crimes against humanity who hold that crimes against humanity begin relatively simple in the form of simply dehumanising minorities and continue escalating until eventually genocide and war crimes. This landmark ruling is precisely regarded as such because it considers that even the most simplest form, dehumanising a minority, does indeed constitute a crime against humanity in and of itself. --[[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 02:04, 28 March 2026 (UTC)

==Luther Foundation==
Where does it say that the Luther Foundation was convicted, too? I just checked all of the cited sources and I couldn't find where any of them said that the Luther Foundation was also convicted. In fact, I only saw the phrase &quot;Luther Foundation&quot; in two of the articles ([https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/mar/26/finnish-mp-paivi-rasanen-convicted-homosexuality-developmental-disorder The Guardian] and [https://www.christianitytoday.com/2026/03/finnish-parlimentarian-paivi-rasanen-christian-hate-speech/ Christianity Today]). --[[User:Metropolitan90|Metropolitan90]] ([[User talk:Metropolitan90|talk]]) 15:03, 28 March 2026 (UTC)

:Resolved. [[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 18:01, 28 March 2026 (UTC)

== Minor revision requested ==

@[[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] The article's lead section is required to state when the focal point event took place (calendar day, day of the week, ect.). Can you add that in real quick? I would add it myself but I intend to review this article. Thanks. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 23:31, 28 March 2026 (UTC)

:March 26, 2026 Alliance Defending Freedom International
:@[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 00:35, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::Claude AI helped me. Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 00:35, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Can you add to the article that the ruling happened on Thursday so I don't have to? [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 00:48, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::Thank you @[[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]]. [[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 18:03, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

== Might want to read this ==

The '''headline''' you referenced is a somewhat sensationalized framing of the case, but here's what actually happened: In a narrow 3–2 decision, the Finnish Supreme Court found parliamentarian Päivi Räsänen guilty of &quot;hate speech&quot; related to the expression of her beliefs on marriage and sexual ethics in a 2004 church pamphlet. Alliance Defending Freedom International

@[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 00:37, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

:https://claude.ai/chat/aa894899-c1f6-4236-964a-f90a3f25a23b Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 00:44, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::What is this? [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 00:47, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::The '''headline''' you referenced is a somewhat sensationalized framing of the case, but here's what actually happened: In a narrow 3–2 decision, the Finnish Supreme Court found parliamentarian Päivi Räsänen guilty of &quot;hate speech&quot; related to the expression of her beliefs on marriage and sexual ethics in a 2004 church pamphlet.I asked Claude and this is what was said about the headline.
:::The '''headline''' you referenced is a somewhat sensationalized framing of the case, but here's what actually happened: In a narrow 3–2 decision, the Finnish Supreme Court found parliamentarian Päivi Räsänen guilty of &quot;hate speech&quot; related to the expression of her beliefs on marriage and sexual ethics in a 2004 church pamphlet.
:::@[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]], thanks. Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 00:52, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:The actual charge, actual crime, and actual conviction are all under the section of the {{w|Criminal Code of Finland}} that concerns {{w|crimes against humanity}}. Any {{w|Artificial intelligence}}, {{w|chatbot}}, {{w|generative AI}}, {{w|large language model}} can be incorrect about the facts, which is why it is necessary to manually verify. Thank for your involvement nonetheless, @[[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]]. [[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 18:02, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

== More headline problems ==

The headline now says, &quot;Supreme Court of Finland makes crimes against the humanity convictions in landmark ruling&quot;. This doesn't sound like idiomatic English. The commonly used phrase is &quot;crimes against humanity&quot;, not &quot;crimes against the humanity&quot;, at least in this context (note that it no longer says &quot;crimes against the humanity of gays and lesbians&quot;). Also, the phrase that a court &quot;makes [name of crime] convictions&quot; is awkward. I wouldn't write that a court &quot;makes murder convictions&quot;, &quot;makes kidnapping convictions&quot;, etc.; I would write that a court &quot;convicts [someone] of murder&quot;, &quot;convicts [someone] of kidnapping&quot;, etc. Or in this case, the Supreme Court of Finland convicts [the specified defendants] of crimes against humanity, although several versions of the headline has gone back and forth as to whether to refer to them by name, as politicians, or as Christians. -- [[User:Metropolitan90|Metropolitan90]] ([[User talk:Metropolitan90|talk]]) 02:57, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

:I agree that it is too vague tom simply say that the Supreme Court of Finland made convictions. It should say against Christians, rather than by name or politicians, because there are four defendants, of whom two are individuals and of whom only one is politician and the other is a bishop, and the other two defendants are institutions, and the only thing that they have in common is that they are all Christian. [[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 20:34, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

== Way too many sources  ==

I'm sorry but its just going to take me way too long to review this given that there are like ten sources used in the article and I don't even know if all of them are required to verify the info, I am very overwhelmed at this point, other editors have been moaning and bitching about the way I review articles, and the WMF is now officially closing Wikinews next month so there's no point in finishing this anyway. You can try and see if someone else can review this, but given the way things have been going here the last six months I would not bank on it, man. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 12:41, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

:I used a significant amount of sources just to be sure, because this is my very first ever Wikinews article! I really appreciate your edits and your work! Could you try and see this through to the end? I really put in a lot of work into this article and would really like to see it published! [[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 22:51, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::@[[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]], come join my news wiki. Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 22:52, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::https://newswikien.fandom.com/wiki/NewsWikiEN_Wiki Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 22:52, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::Yes, I will try. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 00:02, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

== Review of revision 5003204 [Not ready] ==

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== Note to reviewer(s) ==

Hello,

I edited the text to remove one sentence that was vague and created bias ( is consistently ranked at or near the top of various indices of freedom and democracy, and is therefore broadly considered to be a model liberal democracy.) this sentence may be re-added if details is included.

I re-ordered for inverted pyramid

I re-worded for past tense

I added clarifications where possible to avoid bias and make the article more neutral

and I submitted it for review. Hope this is helpful. Newsworthiness is an issue and I hope it can be passed with exception as articles were not published for a while.

Please also note I posted a section [https://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikinews:Water_cooler/proposals#Proposal_to_cease_publishing_after_around_April_14 here]. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 08:16, 5 April 2026 (UTC)

== Review of revision 5005122 [Not ready] ==

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== Review of revision 5005210 [Passed] ==

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Overall as a piece of feedback, it is necessary to be more factual and as much as possible insert facts rather than qualitative characterizations. I believe this has substantially improved in the last few days as the article has been revised. Thank you.

I have read the talk page and I believe the concerns there have been satisfactorily addressed in the recent edits and in the resulting current revision.

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I am recommending to add a sentence about expected consequence (fine, jail time) or if it is unknown then, when is this expected to be determined. If you could please make this change within 24 hours, then it could be sighted and be included in the report.
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-- [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 01:33, 6 April 2026 (UTC)
: I find the publication of this article problematic. I agree with @[[User:Metropolitan90|Metropolitan90]] above regarding the headline as well as our use of the term 'crimes against humanity.'&lt;br&gt; There is not adequate, independent support to state that anyone has been found guilty &quot;of crimes against the humanity of gays and lesbians.&quot; The available reporting does not support that characterization.&lt;br&gt; Reuters stated the conviction was for ''incitement'':&lt;blockquote&gt;The court found Paivi Rasanen, a medical doctor and MP for the small Christian Democratic party since 1995, guilty of incitement against a group by claiming in ​a social media post in 2019 and on her website in 2020 ​that it was scientifically proven that homosexuality was a developmental disorder.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Machine translation of the [https://korkeinoikeus.fi/fi/index/ennakkopaatokset/kko202627.html Supreme Court's release] states the following:&lt;blockquote&gt;A is charged with incitement against a group of people between November 4, 2019 and January 24, 2022 (count 1), for which he is sentenced to a 20-day fine.&lt;br&gt; B is charged with incitement against a group of people between November 4, 2019 and January 24, 2022 (count 2), for which he is sentenced to a 20-day fine.&lt;br&gt; The X Foundation is sentenced to a corporate fine of 5,000 euros.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Both the reporting and the court’s own release describe the offense as incitement against a group. I do not see support for describing the conviction as 'crimes against humanity,' and that appears to be a mischaracterization of the ruling.&lt;br&gt; While one listed source uses that phrasing, it originates from Christian Institute. That phrasing appears in the headline, while the body of the article instead states: ''&quot;This offence is listed under a chapter of criminal code entitled “war crimes and crimes against humanity”.'' This reflects a description of the structure of the criminal code rather than the charge or conviction itself, and does not support the wording used in the article.&lt;br&gt; Similarly, Christian Institute is a perspective-driven publication and does not provide the level of independent, objective reporting needed to support such a claim.&lt;br&gt; Given that higher-quality, independent sources consistently describe the offense as incitement, I do not see a basis for retaining the current wording.&lt;br&gt; @[[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]], as the publishing reviewer, what steps will be taken to correct this?[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 11:57, 6 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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      <text bytes="16235" sha1="peihnchu3kvwixj7ych66ap9vja33ds" xml:space="preserve">== Headline question ==

I questioned the use of the term &quot;crimes against humanity&quot; in the headline and lead paragraph based on the following:

:I would note that one of the cited sources, [https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/mar/26/finnish-mp-paivi-rasanen-convicted-homosexuality-developmental-disorder this article from The Guardian], begins with the sentence, &quot;A Finnish member of parliament has been found guilty by the country’s supreme court of inciting hatred after claiming that homosexuality was a 'developmental disorder', in a conviction that prompted criticism from far-right government ministers.&quot; That source doesn't even mention the term &quot;crimes against humanity&quot; at all. Another cited article from [https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/paivi-rasanen-homosexuality-supreme-court-finland-b2946208.html The Independent] doesn't mention &quot;crimes against humanity&quot;, either. I am also concerned that the use of the term &quot;{{w|crimes against humanity}}&quot; may be considered misleading as to the nature of the charges involved notwithstanding how the term is used in the Finnish Criminal Code which few English Wikinews readers may be familiar with.
[[User:Metropolitan90|Metropolitan90]] ([[User talk:Metropolitan90|talk]]) 01:16, 28 March 2026 (UTC)

:Hello, Metropolitan90! [[User_talk:Metropolitan90#c-Justthefacts-20260328005600-Regarding your move of my article|As I also noted in a message to you on your user talk page]], the actual charge, the actual crime, and the actual conviction all fall under the section of the {{w|Criminal Code of Finland}} that concerns {{w|crimes against humanity}}. Moreover, there is a particular focus from several sources on the fact that Räsänen and Pohjola were convicted under the section of the Criminal Code of Finland that concerns crimes against humanity. If there are any ambiguities at all, all will be resolved when readers read the article itself. [[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 01:37, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::Two of the cited sources ([https://www.christiantoday.com/news/landmark-ruling-expected-in-finnish-politician-s-bible-tweet-case Christian Today], [https://adfinternational.org/news/breaking-landmark-ruling-expected-in-finnish-bible-tweet-case-tomorrow ADF International]) both say that Rasanen was convicted under a section titled “war crimes and crimes against humanity”, but I hope we're not going to change the headline to say that Rasanen and Pohjola were convicted of war crimes, too. --[[User:Metropolitan90|Metropolitan90]] ([[User talk:Metropolitan90|talk]]) 01:57, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::The section specifically concerns crimes against  humanity and courts determine the severity of the crimes against humanity that were committed, which can range from simply dehumanising a minority to genocide and war crimes. The section of the criminal code of Finland is based on the expertise and scholarship of experts and scholars of crimes against humanity who hold that crimes against humanity begin relatively simple in the form of simply dehumanising minorities and continue escalating until eventually genocide and war crimes. This landmark ruling is precisely regarded as such because it considers that even the most simplest form, dehumanising a minority, does indeed constitute a crime against humanity in and of itself. --[[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 02:04, 28 March 2026 (UTC)

==Luther Foundation==
Where does it say that the Luther Foundation was convicted, too? I just checked all of the cited sources and I couldn't find where any of them said that the Luther Foundation was also convicted. In fact, I only saw the phrase &quot;Luther Foundation&quot; in two of the articles ([https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/mar/26/finnish-mp-paivi-rasanen-convicted-homosexuality-developmental-disorder The Guardian] and [https://www.christianitytoday.com/2026/03/finnish-parlimentarian-paivi-rasanen-christian-hate-speech/ Christianity Today]). --[[User:Metropolitan90|Metropolitan90]] ([[User talk:Metropolitan90|talk]]) 15:03, 28 March 2026 (UTC)

:Resolved. [[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 18:01, 28 March 2026 (UTC)

== Minor revision requested ==

@[[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] The article's lead section is required to state when the focal point event took place (calendar day, day of the week, ect.). Can you add that in real quick? I would add it myself but I intend to review this article. Thanks. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 23:31, 28 March 2026 (UTC)

:March 26, 2026 Alliance Defending Freedom International
:@[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 00:35, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::Claude AI helped me. Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 00:35, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Can you add to the article that the ruling happened on Thursday so I don't have to? [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 00:48, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::Thank you @[[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]]. [[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 18:03, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

== Might want to read this ==

The '''headline''' you referenced is a somewhat sensationalized framing of the case, but here's what actually happened: In a narrow 3–2 decision, the Finnish Supreme Court found parliamentarian Päivi Räsänen guilty of &quot;hate speech&quot; related to the expression of her beliefs on marriage and sexual ethics in a 2004 church pamphlet. Alliance Defending Freedom International

@[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 00:37, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

:https://claude.ai/chat/aa894899-c1f6-4236-964a-f90a3f25a23b Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 00:44, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::What is this? [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 00:47, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::The '''headline''' you referenced is a somewhat sensationalized framing of the case, but here's what actually happened: In a narrow 3–2 decision, the Finnish Supreme Court found parliamentarian Päivi Räsänen guilty of &quot;hate speech&quot; related to the expression of her beliefs on marriage and sexual ethics in a 2004 church pamphlet.I asked Claude and this is what was said about the headline.
:::The '''headline''' you referenced is a somewhat sensationalized framing of the case, but here's what actually happened: In a narrow 3–2 decision, the Finnish Supreme Court found parliamentarian Päivi Räsänen guilty of &quot;hate speech&quot; related to the expression of her beliefs on marriage and sexual ethics in a 2004 church pamphlet.
:::@[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]], thanks. Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 00:52, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:The actual charge, actual crime, and actual conviction are all under the section of the {{w|Criminal Code of Finland}} that concerns {{w|crimes against humanity}}. Any {{w|Artificial intelligence}}, {{w|chatbot}}, {{w|generative AI}}, {{w|large language model}} can be incorrect about the facts, which is why it is necessary to manually verify. Thank for your involvement nonetheless, @[[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]]. [[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 18:02, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

== More headline problems ==

The headline now says, &quot;Supreme Court of Finland makes crimes against the humanity convictions in landmark ruling&quot;. This doesn't sound like idiomatic English. The commonly used phrase is &quot;crimes against humanity&quot;, not &quot;crimes against the humanity&quot;, at least in this context (note that it no longer says &quot;crimes against the humanity of gays and lesbians&quot;). Also, the phrase that a court &quot;makes [name of crime] convictions&quot; is awkward. I wouldn't write that a court &quot;makes murder convictions&quot;, &quot;makes kidnapping convictions&quot;, etc.; I would write that a court &quot;convicts [someone] of murder&quot;, &quot;convicts [someone] of kidnapping&quot;, etc. Or in this case, the Supreme Court of Finland convicts [the specified defendants] of crimes against humanity, although several versions of the headline has gone back and forth as to whether to refer to them by name, as politicians, or as Christians. -- [[User:Metropolitan90|Metropolitan90]] ([[User talk:Metropolitan90|talk]]) 02:57, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

:I agree that it is too vague tom simply say that the Supreme Court of Finland made convictions. It should say against Christians, rather than by name or politicians, because there are four defendants, of whom two are individuals and of whom only one is politician and the other is a bishop, and the other two defendants are institutions, and the only thing that they have in common is that they are all Christian. [[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 20:34, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

== Way too many sources  ==

I'm sorry but its just going to take me way too long to review this given that there are like ten sources used in the article and I don't even know if all of them are required to verify the info, I am very overwhelmed at this point, other editors have been moaning and bitching about the way I review articles, and the WMF is now officially closing Wikinews next month so there's no point in finishing this anyway. You can try and see if someone else can review this, but given the way things have been going here the last six months I would not bank on it, man. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 12:41, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

:I used a significant amount of sources just to be sure, because this is my very first ever Wikinews article! I really appreciate your edits and your work! Could you try and see this through to the end? I really put in a lot of work into this article and would really like to see it published! [[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 22:51, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::@[[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]], come join my news wiki. Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 22:52, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::https://newswikien.fandom.com/wiki/NewsWikiEN_Wiki Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 22:52, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::Yes, I will try. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 00:02, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

== Review of revision 5003204 [Not ready] ==

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== Note to reviewer(s) ==

Hello,

I edited the text to remove one sentence that was vague and created bias ( is consistently ranked at or near the top of various indices of freedom and democracy, and is therefore broadly considered to be a model liberal democracy.) this sentence may be re-added if details is included.

I re-ordered for inverted pyramid

I re-worded for past tense

I added clarifications where possible to avoid bias and make the article more neutral

and I submitted it for review. Hope this is helpful. Newsworthiness is an issue and I hope it can be passed with exception as articles were not published for a while.

Please also note I posted a section [https://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikinews:Water_cooler/proposals#Proposal_to_cease_publishing_after_around_April_14 here]. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 08:16, 5 April 2026 (UTC)

== Review of revision 5005122 [Not ready] ==

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== Review of revision 5005210 [Passed] ==

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Overall as a piece of feedback, it is necessary to be more factual and as much as possible insert facts rather than qualitative characterizations. I believe this has substantially improved in the last few days as the article has been revised. Thank you.

I have read the talk page and I believe the concerns there have been satisfactorily addressed in the recent edits and in the resulting current revision.

Copyright check passed flagging only the quote(s) included in the text.

I am recommending to add a sentence about expected consequence (fine, jail time) or if it is unknown then, when is this expected to be determined. If you could please make this change within 24 hours, then it could be sighted and be included in the report.
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-- [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 01:33, 6 April 2026 (UTC)
: I find the publication of this article problematic. I agree with @[[User:Metropolitan90|Metropolitan90]] above regarding the headline as well as our use of the term 'crimes against humanity.'&lt;br&gt; There is not adequate, independent support to state that anyone has been found guilty &quot;of crimes against the humanity of gays and lesbians.&quot; The available reporting does not support that characterization.&lt;br&gt; Reuters stated the conviction was for ''incitement'':&lt;blockquote&gt;The court found Paivi Rasanen, a medical doctor and MP for the small Christian Democratic party since 1995, guilty of incitement against a group by claiming in ​a social media post in 2019 and on her website in 2020 ​that it was scientifically proven that homosexuality was a developmental disorder.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Machine translation of the [https://korkeinoikeus.fi/fi/index/ennakkopaatokset/kko202627.html Supreme Court's release] states the following:&lt;blockquote&gt;A is charged with incitement against a group of people between November 4, 2019 and January 24, 2022 (count 1), for which he is sentenced to a 20-day fine.&lt;br&gt; B is charged with incitement against a group of people between November 4, 2019 and January 24, 2022 (count 2), for which he is sentenced to a 20-day fine.&lt;br&gt; The X Foundation is sentenced to a corporate fine of 5,000 euros.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Both the reporting and the court’s own release describe the offense as incitement against a group. I do not see support for describing the conviction as 'crimes against humanity,' and that appears to be a mischaracterization of the ruling.&lt;br&gt; While one listed source uses that phrasing, it originates from Christian Institute. That phrasing appears in the headline, while the body of the article instead states: ''&quot;This offence is listed under a chapter of criminal code entitled “war crimes and crimes against humanity”.'' This reflects a description of the structure of the criminal code rather than the charge or conviction itself, and does not support the wording used in the article.&lt;br&gt; Similarly, Christian Institute is a perspective-driven publication and does not provide the level of independent, objective reporting needed to support such a claim.&lt;br&gt; Given that higher-quality, independent sources consistently describe the offense as incitement, I do not see a basis for retaining the current wording.&lt;br&gt; @[[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]], as the publishing reviewer, what steps will be taken to correct this?[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 11:57, 6 April 2026 (UTC)
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I questioned the use of the term &quot;crimes against humanity&quot; in the headline and lead paragraph based on the following:

:I would note that one of the cited sources, [https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/mar/26/finnish-mp-paivi-rasanen-convicted-homosexuality-developmental-disorder this article from The Guardian], begins with the sentence, &quot;A Finnish member of parliament has been found guilty by the country’s supreme court of inciting hatred after claiming that homosexuality was a 'developmental disorder', in a conviction that prompted criticism from far-right government ministers.&quot; That source doesn't even mention the term &quot;crimes against humanity&quot; at all. Another cited article from [https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/paivi-rasanen-homosexuality-supreme-court-finland-b2946208.html The Independent] doesn't mention &quot;crimes against humanity&quot;, either. I am also concerned that the use of the term &quot;{{w|crimes against humanity}}&quot; may be considered misleading as to the nature of the charges involved notwithstanding how the term is used in the Finnish Criminal Code which few English Wikinews readers may be familiar with.
[[User:Metropolitan90|Metropolitan90]] ([[User talk:Metropolitan90|talk]]) 01:16, 28 March 2026 (UTC)

:Hello, Metropolitan90! [[User_talk:Metropolitan90#c-Justthefacts-20260328005600-Regarding your move of my article|As I also noted in a message to you on your user talk page]], the actual charge, the actual crime, and the actual conviction all fall under the section of the {{w|Criminal Code of Finland}} that concerns {{w|crimes against humanity}}. Moreover, there is a particular focus from several sources on the fact that Räsänen and Pohjola were convicted under the section of the Criminal Code of Finland that concerns crimes against humanity. If there are any ambiguities at all, all will be resolved when readers read the article itself. [[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 01:37, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::Two of the cited sources ([https://www.christiantoday.com/news/landmark-ruling-expected-in-finnish-politician-s-bible-tweet-case Christian Today], [https://adfinternational.org/news/breaking-landmark-ruling-expected-in-finnish-bible-tweet-case-tomorrow ADF International]) both say that Rasanen was convicted under a section titled “war crimes and crimes against humanity”, but I hope we're not going to change the headline to say that Rasanen and Pohjola were convicted of war crimes, too. --[[User:Metropolitan90|Metropolitan90]] ([[User talk:Metropolitan90|talk]]) 01:57, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::The section specifically concerns crimes against  humanity and courts determine the severity of the crimes against humanity that were committed, which can range from simply dehumanising a minority to genocide and war crimes. The section of the criminal code of Finland is based on the expertise and scholarship of experts and scholars of crimes against humanity who hold that crimes against humanity begin relatively simple in the form of simply dehumanising minorities and continue escalating until eventually genocide and war crimes. This landmark ruling is precisely regarded as such because it considers that even the most simplest form, dehumanising a minority, does indeed constitute a crime against humanity in and of itself. --[[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 02:04, 28 March 2026 (UTC)

==Luther Foundation==
Where does it say that the Luther Foundation was convicted, too? I just checked all of the cited sources and I couldn't find where any of them said that the Luther Foundation was also convicted. In fact, I only saw the phrase &quot;Luther Foundation&quot; in two of the articles ([https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/mar/26/finnish-mp-paivi-rasanen-convicted-homosexuality-developmental-disorder The Guardian] and [https://www.christianitytoday.com/2026/03/finnish-parlimentarian-paivi-rasanen-christian-hate-speech/ Christianity Today]). --[[User:Metropolitan90|Metropolitan90]] ([[User talk:Metropolitan90|talk]]) 15:03, 28 March 2026 (UTC)

:Resolved. [[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 18:01, 28 March 2026 (UTC)

== Minor revision requested ==

@[[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] The article's lead section is required to state when the focal point event took place (calendar day, day of the week, ect.). Can you add that in real quick? I would add it myself but I intend to review this article. Thanks. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 23:31, 28 March 2026 (UTC)

:March 26, 2026 Alliance Defending Freedom International
:@[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 00:35, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::Claude AI helped me. Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 00:35, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Can you add to the article that the ruling happened on Thursday so I don't have to? [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 00:48, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::Thank you @[[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]]. [[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 18:03, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

== Might want to read this ==

The '''headline''' you referenced is a somewhat sensationalized framing of the case, but here's what actually happened: In a narrow 3–2 decision, the Finnish Supreme Court found parliamentarian Päivi Räsänen guilty of &quot;hate speech&quot; related to the expression of her beliefs on marriage and sexual ethics in a 2004 church pamphlet. Alliance Defending Freedom International

@[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 00:37, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

:https://claude.ai/chat/aa894899-c1f6-4236-964a-f90a3f25a23b Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 00:44, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::What is this? [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 00:47, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::The '''headline''' you referenced is a somewhat sensationalized framing of the case, but here's what actually happened: In a narrow 3–2 decision, the Finnish Supreme Court found parliamentarian Päivi Räsänen guilty of &quot;hate speech&quot; related to the expression of her beliefs on marriage and sexual ethics in a 2004 church pamphlet.I asked Claude and this is what was said about the headline.
:::The '''headline''' you referenced is a somewhat sensationalized framing of the case, but here's what actually happened: In a narrow 3–2 decision, the Finnish Supreme Court found parliamentarian Päivi Räsänen guilty of &quot;hate speech&quot; related to the expression of her beliefs on marriage and sexual ethics in a 2004 church pamphlet.
:::@[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]], thanks. Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 00:52, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:The actual charge, actual crime, and actual conviction are all under the section of the {{w|Criminal Code of Finland}} that concerns {{w|crimes against humanity}}. Any {{w|Artificial intelligence}}, {{w|chatbot}}, {{w|generative AI}}, {{w|large language model}} can be incorrect about the facts, which is why it is necessary to manually verify. Thank for your involvement nonetheless, @[[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]]. [[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 18:02, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

== More headline problems ==

The headline now says, &quot;Supreme Court of Finland makes crimes against the humanity convictions in landmark ruling&quot;. This doesn't sound like idiomatic English. The commonly used phrase is &quot;crimes against humanity&quot;, not &quot;crimes against the humanity&quot;, at least in this context (note that it no longer says &quot;crimes against the humanity of gays and lesbians&quot;). Also, the phrase that a court &quot;makes [name of crime] convictions&quot; is awkward. I wouldn't write that a court &quot;makes murder convictions&quot;, &quot;makes kidnapping convictions&quot;, etc.; I would write that a court &quot;convicts [someone] of murder&quot;, &quot;convicts [someone] of kidnapping&quot;, etc. Or in this case, the Supreme Court of Finland convicts [the specified defendants] of crimes against humanity, although several versions of the headline has gone back and forth as to whether to refer to them by name, as politicians, or as Christians. -- [[User:Metropolitan90|Metropolitan90]] ([[User talk:Metropolitan90|talk]]) 02:57, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

:I agree that it is too vague tom simply say that the Supreme Court of Finland made convictions. It should say against Christians, rather than by name or politicians, because there are four defendants, of whom two are individuals and of whom only one is politician and the other is a bishop, and the other two defendants are institutions, and the only thing that they have in common is that they are all Christian. [[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 20:34, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

== Way too many sources  ==

I'm sorry but its just going to take me way too long to review this given that there are like ten sources used in the article and I don't even know if all of them are required to verify the info, I am very overwhelmed at this point, other editors have been moaning and bitching about the way I review articles, and the WMF is now officially closing Wikinews next month so there's no point in finishing this anyway. You can try and see if someone else can review this, but given the way things have been going here the last six months I would not bank on it, man. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 12:41, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

:I used a significant amount of sources just to be sure, because this is my very first ever Wikinews article! I really appreciate your edits and your work! Could you try and see this through to the end? I really put in a lot of work into this article and would really like to see it published! [[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 22:51, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::@[[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]], come join my news wiki. Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 22:52, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::https://newswikien.fandom.com/wiki/NewsWikiEN_Wiki Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 22:52, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::Yes, I will try. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 00:02, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

== Review of revision 5003204 [Not ready] ==

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== Note to reviewer(s) ==

Hello,

I edited the text to remove one sentence that was vague and created bias ( is consistently ranked at or near the top of various indices of freedom and democracy, and is therefore broadly considered to be a model liberal democracy.) this sentence may be re-added if details is included.

I re-ordered for inverted pyramid

I re-worded for past tense

I added clarifications where possible to avoid bias and make the article more neutral

and I submitted it for review. Hope this is helpful. Newsworthiness is an issue and I hope it can be passed with exception as articles were not published for a while.

Please also note I posted a section [https://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikinews:Water_cooler/proposals#Proposal_to_cease_publishing_after_around_April_14 here]. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 08:16, 5 April 2026 (UTC)

== Review of revision 5005122 [Not ready] ==

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== Review of revision 5005210 [Passed] ==

{{Peer_reviewed
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| copyright = pass
| newsworthy = exception
| verifiable = pass
| npov = pass
| style = pass
| reviewer = Gryllida
| comments = News is over a week old but I am publishing. The headline could be better but there is so much controversy about how to put it properly that I am content with the current revision.

Overall as a piece of feedback, it is necessary to be more factual and as much as possible insert facts rather than qualitative characterizations. I believe this has substantially improved in the last few days as the article has been revised. Thank you.

I have read the talk page and I believe the concerns there have been satisfactorily addressed in the recent edits and in the resulting current revision.

Copyright check passed flagging only the quote(s) included in the text.

I am recommending to add a sentence about expected consequence (fine, jail time) or if it is unknown then, when is this expected to be determined. If you could please make this change within 24 hours, then it could be sighted and be included in the report.
| time = 01:33, April 6, 2026 (UTC)
}}

-- [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 01:33, 6 April 2026 (UTC)
: I find the publication of this article problematic. I agree with @[[User:Metropolitan90|Metropolitan90]] above regarding the headline as well as our use of the term 'crimes against humanity.'&lt;br&gt; There is not adequate, independent support to state that anyone has been found guilty &quot;of crimes against the humanity of gays and lesbians.&quot; The available reporting does not support that characterization.&lt;br&gt; Reuters stated the conviction was for ''incitement'':&lt;blockquote&gt;The court found Paivi Rasanen, a medical doctor and MP for the small Christian Democratic party since 1995, guilty of incitement against a group by claiming in ​a social media post in 2019 and on her website in 2020 ​that it was scientifically proven that homosexuality was a developmental disorder.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Machine translation of the [https://korkeinoikeus.fi/fi/index/ennakkopaatokset/kko202627.html Supreme Court's release] states the following:&lt;blockquote&gt;A is charged with incitement against a group of people between November 4, 2019 and January 24, 2022 (count 1), for which he is sentenced to a 20-day fine.&lt;br&gt; B is charged with incitement against a group of people between November 4, 2019 and January 24, 2022 (count 2), for which he is sentenced to a 20-day fine.&lt;br&gt; The X Foundation is sentenced to a corporate fine of 5,000 euros.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Both the reporting and the court’s own release describe the offense as incitement against a group. I do not see support for describing the conviction as 'crimes against humanity,' and that appears to be a mischaracterization of the ruling.&lt;br&gt; While one listed source uses that phrasing, it originates from Christian Institute. That phrasing appears in the headline, while the body of the article instead states: ''&quot;This offence is listed under a chapter of criminal code entitled “war crimes and crimes against humanity”.'' This reflects a description of the structure of the criminal code rather than the charge or conviction itself, and does not support the wording used in the article.&lt;br&gt; Similarly, Christian Institute is a perspective-driven publication and does not provide the level of independent, objective reporting needed to support such a claim.&lt;br&gt; Given that higher-quality, independent sources consistently describe the offense as incitement, I do not see a basis for retaining the current wording.&lt;br&gt; @[[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]], as the publishing reviewer, what steps will be taken to correct this?[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 11:57, 6 April 2026 (UTC)
::Do you believe a retraction is imminent? [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 16:22, 6 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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      <text bytes="16992" sha1="syzeyorpk1msiwcnbfj63mxkn8hqap6" xml:space="preserve">== Headline question ==

I questioned the use of the term &quot;crimes against humanity&quot; in the headline and lead paragraph based on the following:

:I would note that one of the cited sources, [https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/mar/26/finnish-mp-paivi-rasanen-convicted-homosexuality-developmental-disorder this article from The Guardian], begins with the sentence, &quot;A Finnish member of parliament has been found guilty by the country’s supreme court of inciting hatred after claiming that homosexuality was a 'developmental disorder', in a conviction that prompted criticism from far-right government ministers.&quot; That source doesn't even mention the term &quot;crimes against humanity&quot; at all. Another cited article from [https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/paivi-rasanen-homosexuality-supreme-court-finland-b2946208.html The Independent] doesn't mention &quot;crimes against humanity&quot;, either. I am also concerned that the use of the term &quot;{{w|crimes against humanity}}&quot; may be considered misleading as to the nature of the charges involved notwithstanding how the term is used in the Finnish Criminal Code which few English Wikinews readers may be familiar with.
[[User:Metropolitan90|Metropolitan90]] ([[User talk:Metropolitan90|talk]]) 01:16, 28 March 2026 (UTC)

:Hello, Metropolitan90! [[User_talk:Metropolitan90#c-Justthefacts-20260328005600-Regarding your move of my article|As I also noted in a message to you on your user talk page]], the actual charge, the actual crime, and the actual conviction all fall under the section of the {{w|Criminal Code of Finland}} that concerns {{w|crimes against humanity}}. Moreover, there is a particular focus from several sources on the fact that Räsänen and Pohjola were convicted under the section of the Criminal Code of Finland that concerns crimes against humanity. If there are any ambiguities at all, all will be resolved when readers read the article itself. [[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 01:37, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::Two of the cited sources ([https://www.christiantoday.com/news/landmark-ruling-expected-in-finnish-politician-s-bible-tweet-case Christian Today], [https://adfinternational.org/news/breaking-landmark-ruling-expected-in-finnish-bible-tweet-case-tomorrow ADF International]) both say that Rasanen was convicted under a section titled “war crimes and crimes against humanity”, but I hope we're not going to change the headline to say that Rasanen and Pohjola were convicted of war crimes, too. --[[User:Metropolitan90|Metropolitan90]] ([[User talk:Metropolitan90|talk]]) 01:57, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::The section specifically concerns crimes against  humanity and courts determine the severity of the crimes against humanity that were committed, which can range from simply dehumanising a minority to genocide and war crimes. The section of the criminal code of Finland is based on the expertise and scholarship of experts and scholars of crimes against humanity who hold that crimes against humanity begin relatively simple in the form of simply dehumanising minorities and continue escalating until eventually genocide and war crimes. This landmark ruling is precisely regarded as such because it considers that even the most simplest form, dehumanising a minority, does indeed constitute a crime against humanity in and of itself. --[[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 02:04, 28 March 2026 (UTC)

==Luther Foundation==
Where does it say that the Luther Foundation was convicted, too? I just checked all of the cited sources and I couldn't find where any of them said that the Luther Foundation was also convicted. In fact, I only saw the phrase &quot;Luther Foundation&quot; in two of the articles ([https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/mar/26/finnish-mp-paivi-rasanen-convicted-homosexuality-developmental-disorder The Guardian] and [https://www.christianitytoday.com/2026/03/finnish-parlimentarian-paivi-rasanen-christian-hate-speech/ Christianity Today]). --[[User:Metropolitan90|Metropolitan90]] ([[User talk:Metropolitan90|talk]]) 15:03, 28 March 2026 (UTC)

:Resolved. [[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 18:01, 28 March 2026 (UTC)

== Minor revision requested ==

@[[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] The article's lead section is required to state when the focal point event took place (calendar day, day of the week, ect.). Can you add that in real quick? I would add it myself but I intend to review this article. Thanks. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 23:31, 28 March 2026 (UTC)

:March 26, 2026 Alliance Defending Freedom International
:@[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 00:35, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::Claude AI helped me. Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 00:35, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Can you add to the article that the ruling happened on Thursday so I don't have to? [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 00:48, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::Thank you @[[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]]. [[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 18:03, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

== Might want to read this ==

The '''headline''' you referenced is a somewhat sensationalized framing of the case, but here's what actually happened: In a narrow 3–2 decision, the Finnish Supreme Court found parliamentarian Päivi Räsänen guilty of &quot;hate speech&quot; related to the expression of her beliefs on marriage and sexual ethics in a 2004 church pamphlet. Alliance Defending Freedom International

@[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 00:37, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

:https://claude.ai/chat/aa894899-c1f6-4236-964a-f90a3f25a23b Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 00:44, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::What is this? [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 00:47, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::The '''headline''' you referenced is a somewhat sensationalized framing of the case, but here's what actually happened: In a narrow 3–2 decision, the Finnish Supreme Court found parliamentarian Päivi Räsänen guilty of &quot;hate speech&quot; related to the expression of her beliefs on marriage and sexual ethics in a 2004 church pamphlet.I asked Claude and this is what was said about the headline.
:::The '''headline''' you referenced is a somewhat sensationalized framing of the case, but here's what actually happened: In a narrow 3–2 decision, the Finnish Supreme Court found parliamentarian Päivi Räsänen guilty of &quot;hate speech&quot; related to the expression of her beliefs on marriage and sexual ethics in a 2004 church pamphlet.
:::@[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]], thanks. Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 00:52, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:The actual charge, actual crime, and actual conviction are all under the section of the {{w|Criminal Code of Finland}} that concerns {{w|crimes against humanity}}. Any {{w|Artificial intelligence}}, {{w|chatbot}}, {{w|generative AI}}, {{w|large language model}} can be incorrect about the facts, which is why it is necessary to manually verify. Thank for your involvement nonetheless, @[[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]]. [[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 18:02, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

== More headline problems ==

The headline now says, &quot;Supreme Court of Finland makes crimes against the humanity convictions in landmark ruling&quot;. This doesn't sound like idiomatic English. The commonly used phrase is &quot;crimes against humanity&quot;, not &quot;crimes against the humanity&quot;, at least in this context (note that it no longer says &quot;crimes against the humanity of gays and lesbians&quot;). Also, the phrase that a court &quot;makes [name of crime] convictions&quot; is awkward. I wouldn't write that a court &quot;makes murder convictions&quot;, &quot;makes kidnapping convictions&quot;, etc.; I would write that a court &quot;convicts [someone] of murder&quot;, &quot;convicts [someone] of kidnapping&quot;, etc. Or in this case, the Supreme Court of Finland convicts [the specified defendants] of crimes against humanity, although several versions of the headline has gone back and forth as to whether to refer to them by name, as politicians, or as Christians. -- [[User:Metropolitan90|Metropolitan90]] ([[User talk:Metropolitan90|talk]]) 02:57, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

:I agree that it is too vague tom simply say that the Supreme Court of Finland made convictions. It should say against Christians, rather than by name or politicians, because there are four defendants, of whom two are individuals and of whom only one is politician and the other is a bishop, and the other two defendants are institutions, and the only thing that they have in common is that they are all Christian. [[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 20:34, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

== Way too many sources  ==

I'm sorry but its just going to take me way too long to review this given that there are like ten sources used in the article and I don't even know if all of them are required to verify the info, I am very overwhelmed at this point, other editors have been moaning and bitching about the way I review articles, and the WMF is now officially closing Wikinews next month so there's no point in finishing this anyway. You can try and see if someone else can review this, but given the way things have been going here the last six months I would not bank on it, man. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 12:41, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

:I used a significant amount of sources just to be sure, because this is my very first ever Wikinews article! I really appreciate your edits and your work! Could you try and see this through to the end? I really put in a lot of work into this article and would really like to see it published! [[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 22:51, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::@[[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]], come join my news wiki. Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 22:52, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::https://newswikien.fandom.com/wiki/NewsWikiEN_Wiki Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 22:52, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::Yes, I will try. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 00:02, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

== Review of revision 5003204 [Not ready] ==

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== Note to reviewer(s) ==

Hello,

I edited the text to remove one sentence that was vague and created bias ( is consistently ranked at or near the top of various indices of freedom and democracy, and is therefore broadly considered to be a model liberal democracy.) this sentence may be re-added if details is included.

I re-ordered for inverted pyramid

I re-worded for past tense

I added clarifications where possible to avoid bias and make the article more neutral

and I submitted it for review. Hope this is helpful. Newsworthiness is an issue and I hope it can be passed with exception as articles were not published for a while.

Please also note I posted a section [https://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikinews:Water_cooler/proposals#Proposal_to_cease_publishing_after_around_April_14 here]. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 08:16, 5 April 2026 (UTC)

== Review of revision 5005122 [Not ready] ==

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== Review of revision 5005210 [Passed] ==

{{Peer_reviewed
| revid = 5005210
| copyright = pass
| newsworthy = exception
| verifiable = pass
| npov = pass
| style = pass
| reviewer = Gryllida
| comments = News is over a week old but I am publishing. The headline could be better but there is so much controversy about how to put it properly that I am content with the current revision.

Overall as a piece of feedback, it is necessary to be more factual and as much as possible insert facts rather than qualitative characterizations. I believe this has substantially improved in the last few days as the article has been revised. Thank you.

I have read the talk page and I believe the concerns there have been satisfactorily addressed in the recent edits and in the resulting current revision.

Copyright check passed flagging only the quote(s) included in the text.

I am recommending to add a sentence about expected consequence (fine, jail time) or if it is unknown then, when is this expected to be determined. If you could please make this change within 24 hours, then it could be sighted and be included in the report.
| time = 01:33, April 6, 2026 (UTC)
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-- [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 01:33, 6 April 2026 (UTC)
: I find the publication of this article problematic. I agree with @[[User:Metropolitan90|Metropolitan90]] above regarding the headline as well as our use of the term 'crimes against humanity.'&lt;br&gt; There is not adequate, independent support to state that anyone has been found guilty &quot;of crimes against the humanity of gays and lesbians.&quot; The available reporting does not support that characterization.&lt;br&gt; Reuters stated the conviction was for ''incitement'':&lt;blockquote&gt;The court found Paivi Rasanen, a medical doctor and MP for the small Christian Democratic party since 1995, guilty of incitement against a group by claiming in ​a social media post in 2019 and on her website in 2020 ​that it was scientifically proven that homosexuality was a developmental disorder.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Machine translation of the [https://korkeinoikeus.fi/fi/index/ennakkopaatokset/kko202627.html Supreme Court's release] states the following:&lt;blockquote&gt;A is charged with incitement against a group of people between November 4, 2019 and January 24, 2022 (count 1), for which he is sentenced to a 20-day fine.&lt;br&gt; B is charged with incitement against a group of people between November 4, 2019 and January 24, 2022 (count 2), for which he is sentenced to a 20-day fine.&lt;br&gt; The X Foundation is sentenced to a corporate fine of 5,000 euros.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Both the reporting and the court’s own release describe the offense as incitement against a group. I do not see support for describing the conviction as 'crimes against humanity,' and that appears to be a mischaracterization of the ruling.&lt;br&gt; While one listed source uses that phrasing, it originates from Christian Institute. That phrasing appears in the headline, while the body of the article instead states: ''&quot;This offence is listed under a chapter of criminal code entitled “war crimes and crimes against humanity”.'' This reflects a description of the structure of the criminal code rather than the charge or conviction itself, and does not support the wording used in the article.&lt;br&gt; Similarly, Christian Institute is a perspective-driven publication and does not provide the level of independent, objective reporting needed to support such a claim.&lt;br&gt; Given that higher-quality, independent sources consistently describe the offense as incitement, I do not see a basis for retaining the current wording.&lt;br&gt; @[[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]], as the publishing reviewer, what steps will be taken to correct this?[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 11:57, 6 April 2026 (UTC)
::Do you believe a retraction is imminent? [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 16:22, 6 April 2026 (UTC)

== Headline ==

As [[#More headline problems|previously also noted by both]] @[[User:Metropolitan90|Metropolitan90]] and myself, the headline is simply too vague if it does not note the specific sort of defendants convicted by the Supreme Court and as also [[#c-Justthefacts-20260330203400-Metropolitan90-20260330025700|previously noted by myself]], the title should note that Supreme Court convicted Christians, because there are four defendants, of whom two are individuals and of whom only one is politician and the other is a bishop, and the other two defendants are institutions, and the only thing that they have in common is that they are all Christian. [[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 20:41, 6 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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I questioned the use of the term &quot;crimes against humanity&quot; in the headline and lead paragraph based on the following:

:I would note that one of the cited sources, [https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/mar/26/finnish-mp-paivi-rasanen-convicted-homosexuality-developmental-disorder this article from The Guardian], begins with the sentence, &quot;A Finnish member of parliament has been found guilty by the country’s supreme court of inciting hatred after claiming that homosexuality was a 'developmental disorder', in a conviction that prompted criticism from far-right government ministers.&quot; That source doesn't even mention the term &quot;crimes against humanity&quot; at all. Another cited article from [https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/paivi-rasanen-homosexuality-supreme-court-finland-b2946208.html The Independent] doesn't mention &quot;crimes against humanity&quot;, either. I am also concerned that the use of the term &quot;{{w|crimes against humanity}}&quot; may be considered misleading as to the nature of the charges involved notwithstanding how the term is used in the Finnish Criminal Code which few English Wikinews readers may be familiar with.
[[User:Metropolitan90|Metropolitan90]] ([[User talk:Metropolitan90|talk]]) 01:16, 28 March 2026 (UTC)

:Hello, Metropolitan90! [[User_talk:Metropolitan90#c-Justthefacts-20260328005600-Regarding your move of my article|As I also noted in a message to you on your user talk page]], the actual charge, the actual crime, and the actual conviction all fall under the section of the {{w|Criminal Code of Finland}} that concerns {{w|crimes against humanity}}. Moreover, there is a particular focus from several sources on the fact that Räsänen and Pohjola were convicted under the section of the Criminal Code of Finland that concerns crimes against humanity. If there are any ambiguities at all, all will be resolved when readers read the article itself. [[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 01:37, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::Two of the cited sources ([https://www.christiantoday.com/news/landmark-ruling-expected-in-finnish-politician-s-bible-tweet-case Christian Today], [https://adfinternational.org/news/breaking-landmark-ruling-expected-in-finnish-bible-tweet-case-tomorrow ADF International]) both say that Rasanen was convicted under a section titled “war crimes and crimes against humanity”, but I hope we're not going to change the headline to say that Rasanen and Pohjola were convicted of war crimes, too. --[[User:Metropolitan90|Metropolitan90]] ([[User talk:Metropolitan90|talk]]) 01:57, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::The section specifically concerns crimes against  humanity and courts determine the severity of the crimes against humanity that were committed, which can range from simply dehumanising a minority to genocide and war crimes. The section of the criminal code of Finland is based on the expertise and scholarship of experts and scholars of crimes against humanity who hold that crimes against humanity begin relatively simple in the form of simply dehumanising minorities and continue escalating until eventually genocide and war crimes. This landmark ruling is precisely regarded as such because it considers that even the most simplest form, dehumanising a minority, does indeed constitute a crime against humanity in and of itself. --[[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 02:04, 28 March 2026 (UTC)

==Luther Foundation==
Where does it say that the Luther Foundation was convicted, too? I just checked all of the cited sources and I couldn't find where any of them said that the Luther Foundation was also convicted. In fact, I only saw the phrase &quot;Luther Foundation&quot; in two of the articles ([https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/mar/26/finnish-mp-paivi-rasanen-convicted-homosexuality-developmental-disorder The Guardian] and [https://www.christianitytoday.com/2026/03/finnish-parlimentarian-paivi-rasanen-christian-hate-speech/ Christianity Today]). --[[User:Metropolitan90|Metropolitan90]] ([[User talk:Metropolitan90|talk]]) 15:03, 28 March 2026 (UTC)

:Resolved. [[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 18:01, 28 March 2026 (UTC)

== Minor revision requested ==

@[[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] The article's lead section is required to state when the focal point event took place (calendar day, day of the week, ect.). Can you add that in real quick? I would add it myself but I intend to review this article. Thanks. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 23:31, 28 March 2026 (UTC)

:March 26, 2026 Alliance Defending Freedom International
:@[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 00:35, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::Claude AI helped me. Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 00:35, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Can you add to the article that the ruling happened on Thursday so I don't have to? [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 00:48, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::Thank you @[[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]]. [[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 18:03, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

== Might want to read this ==

The '''headline''' you referenced is a somewhat sensationalized framing of the case, but here's what actually happened: In a narrow 3–2 decision, the Finnish Supreme Court found parliamentarian Päivi Räsänen guilty of &quot;hate speech&quot; related to the expression of her beliefs on marriage and sexual ethics in a 2004 church pamphlet. Alliance Defending Freedom International

@[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 00:37, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

:https://claude.ai/chat/aa894899-c1f6-4236-964a-f90a3f25a23b Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 00:44, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::What is this? [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 00:47, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::The '''headline''' you referenced is a somewhat sensationalized framing of the case, but here's what actually happened: In a narrow 3–2 decision, the Finnish Supreme Court found parliamentarian Päivi Räsänen guilty of &quot;hate speech&quot; related to the expression of her beliefs on marriage and sexual ethics in a 2004 church pamphlet.I asked Claude and this is what was said about the headline.
:::The '''headline''' you referenced is a somewhat sensationalized framing of the case, but here's what actually happened: In a narrow 3–2 decision, the Finnish Supreme Court found parliamentarian Päivi Räsänen guilty of &quot;hate speech&quot; related to the expression of her beliefs on marriage and sexual ethics in a 2004 church pamphlet.
:::@[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]], thanks. Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 00:52, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:The actual charge, actual crime, and actual conviction are all under the section of the {{w|Criminal Code of Finland}} that concerns {{w|crimes against humanity}}. Any {{w|Artificial intelligence}}, {{w|chatbot}}, {{w|generative AI}}, {{w|large language model}} can be incorrect about the facts, which is why it is necessary to manually verify. Thank for your involvement nonetheless, @[[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]]. [[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 18:02, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

== More headline problems ==

The headline now says, &quot;Supreme Court of Finland makes crimes against the humanity convictions in landmark ruling&quot;. This doesn't sound like idiomatic English. The commonly used phrase is &quot;crimes against humanity&quot;, not &quot;crimes against the humanity&quot;, at least in this context (note that it no longer says &quot;crimes against the humanity of gays and lesbians&quot;). Also, the phrase that a court &quot;makes [name of crime] convictions&quot; is awkward. I wouldn't write that a court &quot;makes murder convictions&quot;, &quot;makes kidnapping convictions&quot;, etc.; I would write that a court &quot;convicts [someone] of murder&quot;, &quot;convicts [someone] of kidnapping&quot;, etc. Or in this case, the Supreme Court of Finland convicts [the specified defendants] of crimes against humanity, although several versions of the headline has gone back and forth as to whether to refer to them by name, as politicians, or as Christians. -- [[User:Metropolitan90|Metropolitan90]] ([[User talk:Metropolitan90|talk]]) 02:57, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

:I agree that it is too vague to simply say that the Supreme Court of Finland made convictions. It should say against Christians, rather than by name or politicians, because there are four defendants, of whom two are individuals and of whom only one is politician and the other is a bishop, and the other two defendants are institutions, and the only thing that they have in common is that they are all Christian. [[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 20:34, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
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== Way too many sources  ==

I'm sorry but its just going to take me way too long to review this given that there are like ten sources used in the article and I don't even know if all of them are required to verify the info, I am very overwhelmed at this point, other editors have been moaning and bitching about the way I review articles, and the WMF is now officially closing Wikinews next month so there's no point in finishing this anyway. You can try and see if someone else can review this, but given the way things have been going here the last six months I would not bank on it, man. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 12:41, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

:I used a significant amount of sources just to be sure, because this is my very first ever Wikinews article! I really appreciate your edits and your work! Could you try and see this through to the end? I really put in a lot of work into this article and would really like to see it published! [[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 22:51, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::@[[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]], come join my news wiki. Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 22:52, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::https://newswikien.fandom.com/wiki/NewsWikiEN_Wiki Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 22:52, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::Yes, I will try. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 00:02, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

== Review of revision 5003204 [Not ready] ==

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== Note to reviewer(s) ==

Hello,

I edited the text to remove one sentence that was vague and created bias ( is consistently ranked at or near the top of various indices of freedom and democracy, and is therefore broadly considered to be a model liberal democracy.) this sentence may be re-added if details is included.

I re-ordered for inverted pyramid

I re-worded for past tense

I added clarifications where possible to avoid bias and make the article more neutral

and I submitted it for review. Hope this is helpful. Newsworthiness is an issue and I hope it can be passed with exception as articles were not published for a while.

Please also note I posted a section [https://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikinews:Water_cooler/proposals#Proposal_to_cease_publishing_after_around_April_14 here]. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 08:16, 5 April 2026 (UTC)

== Review of revision 5005122 [Not ready] ==

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== Review of revision 5005210 [Passed] ==

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Overall as a piece of feedback, it is necessary to be more factual and as much as possible insert facts rather than qualitative characterizations. I believe this has substantially improved in the last few days as the article has been revised. Thank you.

I have read the talk page and I believe the concerns there have been satisfactorily addressed in the recent edits and in the resulting current revision.

Copyright check passed flagging only the quote(s) included in the text.

I am recommending to add a sentence about expected consequence (fine, jail time) or if it is unknown then, when is this expected to be determined. If you could please make this change within 24 hours, then it could be sighted and be included in the report.
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-- [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 01:33, 6 April 2026 (UTC)
: I find the publication of this article problematic. I agree with @[[User:Metropolitan90|Metropolitan90]] above regarding the headline as well as our use of the term 'crimes against humanity.'&lt;br&gt; There is not adequate, independent support to state that anyone has been found guilty &quot;of crimes against the humanity of gays and lesbians.&quot; The available reporting does not support that characterization.&lt;br&gt; Reuters stated the conviction was for ''incitement'':&lt;blockquote&gt;The court found Paivi Rasanen, a medical doctor and MP for the small Christian Democratic party since 1995, guilty of incitement against a group by claiming in ​a social media post in 2019 and on her website in 2020 ​that it was scientifically proven that homosexuality was a developmental disorder.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Machine translation of the [https://korkeinoikeus.fi/fi/index/ennakkopaatokset/kko202627.html Supreme Court's release] states the following:&lt;blockquote&gt;A is charged with incitement against a group of people between November 4, 2019 and January 24, 2022 (count 1), for which he is sentenced to a 20-day fine.&lt;br&gt; B is charged with incitement against a group of people between November 4, 2019 and January 24, 2022 (count 2), for which he is sentenced to a 20-day fine.&lt;br&gt; The X Foundation is sentenced to a corporate fine of 5,000 euros.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Both the reporting and the court’s own release describe the offense as incitement against a group. I do not see support for describing the conviction as 'crimes against humanity,' and that appears to be a mischaracterization of the ruling.&lt;br&gt; While one listed source uses that phrasing, it originates from Christian Institute. That phrasing appears in the headline, while the body of the article instead states: ''&quot;This offence is listed under a chapter of criminal code entitled “war crimes and crimes against humanity”.'' This reflects a description of the structure of the criminal code rather than the charge or conviction itself, and does not support the wording used in the article.&lt;br&gt; Similarly, Christian Institute is a perspective-driven publication and does not provide the level of independent, objective reporting needed to support such a claim.&lt;br&gt; Given that higher-quality, independent sources consistently describe the offense as incitement, I do not see a basis for retaining the current wording.&lt;br&gt; @[[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]], as the publishing reviewer, what steps will be taken to correct this?[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 11:57, 6 April 2026 (UTC)
::Do you believe a retraction is imminent? [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 16:22, 6 April 2026 (UTC)

== Headline ==

As [[#More headline problems|previously also noted by both]] @[[User:Metropolitan90|Metropolitan90]] and myself, the headline is simply too vague if it does not note the specific sort of defendants convicted by the Supreme Court and as also [[#c-Justthefacts-20260330203400-Metropolitan90-20260330025700|previously noted by myself]], the title should note that Supreme Court convicted Christians, because there are four defendants, of whom two are individuals and of whom only one is politician and the other is a bishop, and the other two defendants are institutions, and the only thing that they have in common is that they are all Christian. [[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 20:41, 6 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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I questioned the use of the term &quot;crimes against humanity&quot; in the headline and lead paragraph based on the following:

:I would note that one of the cited sources, [https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/mar/26/finnish-mp-paivi-rasanen-convicted-homosexuality-developmental-disorder this article from The Guardian], begins with the sentence, &quot;A Finnish member of parliament has been found guilty by the country’s supreme court of inciting hatred after claiming that homosexuality was a 'developmental disorder', in a conviction that prompted criticism from far-right government ministers.&quot; That source doesn't even mention the term &quot;crimes against humanity&quot; at all. Another cited article from [https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/paivi-rasanen-homosexuality-supreme-court-finland-b2946208.html The Independent] doesn't mention &quot;crimes against humanity&quot;, either. I am also concerned that the use of the term &quot;{{w|crimes against humanity}}&quot; may be considered misleading as to the nature of the charges involved notwithstanding how the term is used in the Finnish Criminal Code which few English Wikinews readers may be familiar with.
[[User:Metropolitan90|Metropolitan90]] ([[User talk:Metropolitan90|talk]]) 01:16, 28 March 2026 (UTC)

:Hello, Metropolitan90! [[User_talk:Metropolitan90#c-Justthefacts-20260328005600-Regarding your move of my article|As I also noted in a message to you on your user talk page]], the actual charge, the actual crime, and the actual conviction all fall under the section of the {{w|Criminal Code of Finland}} that concerns {{w|crimes against humanity}}. Moreover, there is a particular focus from several sources on the fact that Räsänen and Pohjola were convicted under the section of the Criminal Code of Finland that concerns crimes against humanity. If there are any ambiguities at all, all will be resolved when readers read the article itself. [[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 01:37, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::Two of the cited sources ([https://www.christiantoday.com/news/landmark-ruling-expected-in-finnish-politician-s-bible-tweet-case Christian Today], [https://adfinternational.org/news/breaking-landmark-ruling-expected-in-finnish-bible-tweet-case-tomorrow ADF International]) both say that Rasanen was convicted under a section titled “war crimes and crimes against humanity”, but I hope we're not going to change the headline to say that Rasanen and Pohjola were convicted of war crimes, too. --[[User:Metropolitan90|Metropolitan90]] ([[User talk:Metropolitan90|talk]]) 01:57, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::The section specifically concerns crimes against  humanity and courts determine the severity of the crimes against humanity that were committed, which can range from simply dehumanising a minority to genocide and war crimes. The section of the criminal code of Finland is based on the expertise and scholarship of experts and scholars of crimes against humanity who hold that crimes against humanity begin relatively simple in the form of simply dehumanising minorities and continue escalating until eventually genocide and war crimes. This landmark ruling is precisely regarded as such because it considers that even the most simplest form, dehumanising a minority, does indeed constitute a crime against humanity in and of itself. --[[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 02:04, 28 March 2026 (UTC)

==Luther Foundation==
Where does it say that the Luther Foundation was convicted, too? I just checked all of the cited sources and I couldn't find where any of them said that the Luther Foundation was also convicted. In fact, I only saw the phrase &quot;Luther Foundation&quot; in two of the articles ([https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/mar/26/finnish-mp-paivi-rasanen-convicted-homosexuality-developmental-disorder The Guardian] and [https://www.christianitytoday.com/2026/03/finnish-parlimentarian-paivi-rasanen-christian-hate-speech/ Christianity Today]). --[[User:Metropolitan90|Metropolitan90]] ([[User talk:Metropolitan90|talk]]) 15:03, 28 March 2026 (UTC)

:Resolved. [[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 18:01, 28 March 2026 (UTC)

== Minor revision requested ==

@[[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] The article's lead section is required to state when the focal point event took place (calendar day, day of the week, ect.). Can you add that in real quick? I would add it myself but I intend to review this article. Thanks. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 23:31, 28 March 2026 (UTC)

:March 26, 2026 Alliance Defending Freedom International
:@[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 00:35, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::Claude AI helped me. Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 00:35, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Can you add to the article that the ruling happened on Thursday so I don't have to? [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 00:48, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::Thank you @[[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]]. [[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 18:03, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

== Might want to read this ==

The '''headline''' you referenced is a somewhat sensationalized framing of the case, but here's what actually happened: In a narrow 3–2 decision, the Finnish Supreme Court found parliamentarian Päivi Räsänen guilty of &quot;hate speech&quot; related to the expression of her beliefs on marriage and sexual ethics in a 2004 church pamphlet. Alliance Defending Freedom International

@[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 00:37, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

:https://claude.ai/chat/aa894899-c1f6-4236-964a-f90a3f25a23b Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 00:44, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::What is this? [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 00:47, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::The '''headline''' you referenced is a somewhat sensationalized framing of the case, but here's what actually happened: In a narrow 3–2 decision, the Finnish Supreme Court found parliamentarian Päivi Räsänen guilty of &quot;hate speech&quot; related to the expression of her beliefs on marriage and sexual ethics in a 2004 church pamphlet.I asked Claude and this is what was said about the headline.
:::The '''headline''' you referenced is a somewhat sensationalized framing of the case, but here's what actually happened: In a narrow 3–2 decision, the Finnish Supreme Court found parliamentarian Päivi Räsänen guilty of &quot;hate speech&quot; related to the expression of her beliefs on marriage and sexual ethics in a 2004 church pamphlet.
:::@[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]], thanks. Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 00:52, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:The actual charge, actual crime, and actual conviction are all under the section of the {{w|Criminal Code of Finland}} that concerns {{w|crimes against humanity}}. Any {{w|Artificial intelligence}}, {{w|chatbot}}, {{w|generative AI}}, {{w|large language model}} can be incorrect about the facts, which is why it is necessary to manually verify. Thank for your involvement nonetheless, @[[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]]. [[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 18:02, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

== More headline problems ==

The headline now says, &quot;Supreme Court of Finland makes crimes against the humanity convictions in landmark ruling&quot;. This doesn't sound like idiomatic English. The commonly used phrase is &quot;crimes against humanity&quot;, not &quot;crimes against the humanity&quot;, at least in this context (note that it no longer says &quot;crimes against the humanity of gays and lesbians&quot;). Also, the phrase that a court &quot;makes [name of crime] convictions&quot; is awkward. I wouldn't write that a court &quot;makes murder convictions&quot;, &quot;makes kidnapping convictions&quot;, etc.; I would write that a court &quot;convicts [someone] of murder&quot;, &quot;convicts [someone] of kidnapping&quot;, etc. Or in this case, the Supreme Court of Finland convicts [the specified defendants] of crimes against humanity, although several versions of the headline has gone back and forth as to whether to refer to them by name, as politicians, or as Christians. -- [[User:Metropolitan90|Metropolitan90]] ([[User talk:Metropolitan90|talk]]) 02:57, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

:I agree that it is too vague to simply say that the Supreme Court of Finland made convictions. It should say against Christians, rather than by name or politicians, because there are four defendants, of whom two are individuals and of whom only one is politician and the other is a bishop, and the other two defendants are institutions, and the only thing that they have in common is that they are all Christian. [[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 20:34, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

== Way too many sources  ==

I'm sorry but its just going to take me way too long to review this given that there are like ten sources used in the article and I don't even know if all of them are required to verify the info, I am very overwhelmed at this point, other editors have been moaning and bitching about the way I review articles, and the WMF is now officially closing Wikinews next month so there's no point in finishing this anyway. You can try and see if someone else can review this, but given the way things have been going here the last six months I would not bank on it, man. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 12:41, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

:I used a significant amount of sources just to be sure, because this is my very first ever Wikinews article! I really appreciate your edits and your work! Could you try and see this through to the end? I really put in a lot of work into this article and would really like to see it published! [[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 22:51, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::@[[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]], come join my news wiki. Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 22:52, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::https://newswikien.fandom.com/wiki/NewsWikiEN_Wiki Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 22:52, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::Yes, I will try. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 00:02, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

== Review of revision 5003204 [Not ready] ==

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== Note to reviewer(s) ==

Hello,

I edited the text to remove one sentence that was vague and created bias ( is consistently ranked at or near the top of various indices of freedom and democracy, and is therefore broadly considered to be a model liberal democracy.) this sentence may be re-added if details is included.

I re-ordered for inverted pyramid

I re-worded for past tense

I added clarifications where possible to avoid bias and make the article more neutral

and I submitted it for review. Hope this is helpful. Newsworthiness is an issue and I hope it can be passed with exception as articles were not published for a while.

Please also note I posted a section [https://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikinews:Water_cooler/proposals#Proposal_to_cease_publishing_after_around_April_14 here]. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 08:16, 5 April 2026 (UTC)

== Review of revision 5005122 [Not ready] ==

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== Review of revision 5005210 [Passed] ==

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Overall as a piece of feedback, it is necessary to be more factual and as much as possible insert facts rather than qualitative characterizations. I believe this has substantially improved in the last few days as the article has been revised. Thank you.

I have read the talk page and I believe the concerns there have been satisfactorily addressed in the recent edits and in the resulting current revision.

Copyright check passed flagging only the quote(s) included in the text.

I am recommending to add a sentence about expected consequence (fine, jail time) or if it is unknown then, when is this expected to be determined. If you could please make this change within 24 hours, then it could be sighted and be included in the report.
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-- [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 01:33, 6 April 2026 (UTC)
: I find the publication of this article problematic. I agree with @[[User:Metropolitan90|Metropolitan90]] above regarding the headline as well as our use of the term 'crimes against humanity.'&lt;br&gt; There is not adequate, independent support to state that anyone has been found guilty &quot;of crimes against the humanity of gays and lesbians.&quot; The available reporting does not support that characterization.&lt;br&gt; Reuters stated the conviction was for ''incitement'':&lt;blockquote&gt;The court found Paivi Rasanen, a medical doctor and MP for the small Christian Democratic party since 1995, guilty of incitement against a group by claiming in ​a social media post in 2019 and on her website in 2020 ​that it was scientifically proven that homosexuality was a developmental disorder.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Machine translation of the [https://korkeinoikeus.fi/fi/index/ennakkopaatokset/kko202627.html Supreme Court's release] states the following:&lt;blockquote&gt;A is charged with incitement against a group of people between November 4, 2019 and January 24, 2022 (count 1), for which he is sentenced to a 20-day fine.&lt;br&gt; B is charged with incitement against a group of people between November 4, 2019 and January 24, 2022 (count 2), for which he is sentenced to a 20-day fine.&lt;br&gt; The X Foundation is sentenced to a corporate fine of 5,000 euros.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Both the reporting and the court’s own release describe the offense as incitement against a group. I do not see support for describing the conviction as 'crimes against humanity,' and that appears to be a mischaracterization of the ruling.&lt;br&gt; While one listed source uses that phrasing, it originates from Christian Institute. That phrasing appears in the headline, while the body of the article instead states: ''&quot;This offence is listed under a chapter of criminal code entitled “war crimes and crimes against humanity”.'' This reflects a description of the structure of the criminal code rather than the charge or conviction itself, and does not support the wording used in the article.&lt;br&gt; Similarly, Christian Institute is a perspective-driven publication and does not provide the level of independent, objective reporting needed to support such a claim.&lt;br&gt; Given that higher-quality, independent sources consistently describe the offense as incitement, I do not see a basis for retaining the current wording.&lt;br&gt; @[[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]], as the publishing reviewer, what steps will be taken to correct this?[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 11:57, 6 April 2026 (UTC)
::Do you believe a retraction is imminent? [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 16:22, 6 April 2026 (UTC)

== Headline ==

As [[#More headline problems|previously also noted by both]] @[[User:Metropolitan90|Metropolitan90]] and myself, the headline is simply too vague if it does not note the specific sort of defendants convicted by the Supreme Court and as also [[#c-Justthefacts-20260330203400-Metropolitan90-20260330025700|previously noted by myself]], the title should note that Supreme Court convicted Christians, because there are four defendants, of whom two are individuals and of whom only one is politician and the other is a bishop, and the other two defendants are institutions, and the only thing that they have in common is that they are all Christian. [[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 20:41, 6 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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      <text bytes="16991" sha1="b1s4tbbbx6tzspl2bkoueyza6d86x74" xml:space="preserve">== Headline question ==

I questioned the use of the term &quot;crimes against humanity&quot; in the headline and lead paragraph based on the following:

:I would note that one of the cited sources, [https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/mar/26/finnish-mp-paivi-rasanen-convicted-homosexuality-developmental-disorder this article from The Guardian], begins with the sentence, &quot;A Finnish member of parliament has been found guilty by the country’s supreme court of inciting hatred after claiming that homosexuality was a 'developmental disorder', in a conviction that prompted criticism from far-right government ministers.&quot; That source doesn't even mention the term &quot;crimes against humanity&quot; at all. Another cited article from [https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/paivi-rasanen-homosexuality-supreme-court-finland-b2946208.html The Independent] doesn't mention &quot;crimes against humanity&quot;, either. I am also concerned that the use of the term &quot;{{w|crimes against humanity}}&quot; may be considered misleading as to the nature of the charges involved notwithstanding how the term is used in the Finnish Criminal Code which few English Wikinews readers may be familiar with.
[[User:Metropolitan90|Metropolitan90]] ([[User talk:Metropolitan90|talk]]) 01:16, 28 March 2026 (UTC)

:Hello, Metropolitan90! [[User_talk:Metropolitan90#c-Justthefacts-20260328005600-Regarding your move of my article|As I also noted in a message to you on your user talk page]], the actual charge, the actual crime, and the actual conviction all fall under the section of the {{w|Criminal Code of Finland}} that concerns {{w|crimes against humanity}}. Moreover, there is a particular focus from several sources on the fact that Räsänen and Pohjola were convicted under the section of the Criminal Code of Finland that concerns crimes against humanity. If there are any ambiguities at all, all will be resolved when readers read the article itself. [[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 01:37, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::Two of the cited sources ([https://www.christiantoday.com/news/landmark-ruling-expected-in-finnish-politician-s-bible-tweet-case Christian Today], [https://adfinternational.org/news/breaking-landmark-ruling-expected-in-finnish-bible-tweet-case-tomorrow ADF International]) both say that Rasanen was convicted under a section titled “war crimes and crimes against humanity”, but I hope we're not going to change the headline to say that Rasanen and Pohjola were convicted of war crimes, too. --[[User:Metropolitan90|Metropolitan90]] ([[User talk:Metropolitan90|talk]]) 01:57, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::The section specifically concerns crimes against  humanity and courts determine the severity of the crimes against humanity that were committed, which can range from simply dehumanising a minority to genocide and war crimes. The section of the criminal code of Finland is based on the expertise and scholarship of experts and scholars of crimes against humanity who hold that crimes against humanity begin relatively simple in the form of simply dehumanising minorities and continue escalating until eventually genocide and war crimes. This landmark ruling is precisely regarded as such because it considers that even the most simplest form, dehumanising a minority, does indeed constitute a crime against humanity in and of itself. --[[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 02:04, 28 March 2026 (UTC)

==Luther Foundation==
Where does it say that the Luther Foundation was convicted, too? I just checked all of the cited sources and I couldn't find where any of them said that the Luther Foundation was also convicted. In fact, I only saw the phrase &quot;Luther Foundation&quot; in two of the articles ([https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/mar/26/finnish-mp-paivi-rasanen-convicted-homosexuality-developmental-disorder The Guardian] and [https://www.christianitytoday.com/2026/03/finnish-parlimentarian-paivi-rasanen-christian-hate-speech/ Christianity Today]). --[[User:Metropolitan90|Metropolitan90]] ([[User talk:Metropolitan90|talk]]) 15:03, 28 March 2026 (UTC)

:Resolved. [[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 18:01, 28 March 2026 (UTC)

== Minor revision requested ==

@[[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] The article's lead section is required to state when the focal point event took place (calendar day, day of the week, ect.). Can you add that in real quick? I would add it myself but I intend to review this article. Thanks. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 23:31, 28 March 2026 (UTC)

:March 26, 2026 Alliance Defending Freedom International
:@[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 00:35, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::Claude AI helped me. Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 00:35, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Can you add to the article that the ruling happened on Thursday so I don't have to? [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 00:48, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::Thank you @[[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]]. [[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 18:03, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

== Might want to read this ==

The '''headline''' you referenced is a somewhat sensationalized framing of the case, but here's what actually happened: In a narrow 3–2 decision, the Finnish Supreme Court found parliamentarian Päivi Räsänen guilty of &quot;hate speech&quot; related to the expression of her beliefs on marriage and sexual ethics in a 2004 church pamphlet. Alliance Defending Freedom International

@[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 00:37, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

:https://claude.ai/chat/aa894899-c1f6-4236-964a-f90a3f25a23b Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 00:44, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::What is this? [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 00:47, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::The '''headline''' you referenced is a somewhat sensationalized framing of the case, but here's what actually happened: In a narrow 3–2 decision, the Finnish Supreme Court found parliamentarian Päivi Räsänen guilty of &quot;hate speech&quot; related to the expression of her beliefs on marriage and sexual ethics in a 2004 church pamphlet.I asked Claude and this is what was said about the headline.
:::The '''headline''' you referenced is a somewhat sensationalized framing of the case, but here's what actually happened: In a narrow 3–2 decision, the Finnish Supreme Court found parliamentarian Päivi Räsänen guilty of &quot;hate speech&quot; related to the expression of her beliefs on marriage and sexual ethics in a 2004 church pamphlet.
:::@[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]], thanks. Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 00:52, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:The actual charge, actual crime, and actual conviction are all under the section of the {{w|Criminal Code of Finland}} that concerns {{w|crimes against humanity}}. Any {{w|Artificial intelligence}}, {{w|chatbot}}, {{w|generative AI}}, {{w|large language model}} can be incorrect about the facts, which is why it is necessary to manually verify. Thank for your involvement nonetheless, @[[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]]. [[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 18:02, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

== More headline problems ==

The headline now says, &quot;Supreme Court of Finland makes crimes against the humanity convictions in landmark ruling&quot;. This doesn't sound like idiomatic English. The commonly used phrase is &quot;crimes against humanity&quot;, not &quot;crimes against the humanity&quot;, at least in this context (note that it no longer says &quot;crimes against the humanity of gays and lesbians&quot;). Also, the phrase that a court &quot;makes [name of crime] convictions&quot; is awkward. I wouldn't write that a court &quot;makes murder convictions&quot;, &quot;makes kidnapping convictions&quot;, etc.; I would write that a court &quot;convicts [someone] of murder&quot;, &quot;convicts [someone] of kidnapping&quot;, etc. Or in this case, the Supreme Court of Finland convicts [the specified defendants] of crimes against humanity, although several versions of the headline has gone back and forth as to whether to refer to them by name, as politicians, or as Christians. -- [[User:Metropolitan90|Metropolitan90]] ([[User talk:Metropolitan90|talk]]) 02:57, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

:I agree that it is too vague to simply say that the Supreme Court of Finland made convictions. It should say against Christians, rather than by name or politicians, because there are four defendants, of whom two are individuals and of whom only one is politician and the other is a bishop, and the other two defendants are institutions, and the only thing that they have in common is that they are all Christian. [[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 20:34, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

== Way too many sources  ==

I'm sorry but its just going to take me way too long to review this given that there are like ten sources used in the article and I don't even know if all of them are required to verify the info, I am very overwhelmed at this point, other editors have been moaning and bitching about the way I review articles, and the WMF is now officially closing Wikinews next month so there's no point in finishing this anyway. You can try and see if someone else can review this, but given the way things have been going here the last six months I would not bank on it, man. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 12:41, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

:I used a significant amount of sources just to be sure, because this is my very first ever Wikinews article! I really appreciate your edits and your work! Could you try and see this through to the end? I really put in a lot of work into this article and would really like to see it published! [[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 22:51, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::@[[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]], come join my news wiki. Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 22:52, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::https://newswikien.fandom.com/wiki/NewsWikiEN_Wiki Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 22:52, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::Yes, I will try. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 00:02, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

== Review of revision 5003204 [Not ready] ==

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== Note to reviewer(s) ==

Hello,

I edited the text to remove one sentence that was vague and created bias ( is consistently ranked at or near the top of various indices of freedom and democracy, and is therefore broadly considered to be a model liberal democracy.) this sentence may be re-added if details is included.

I re-ordered for inverted pyramid

I re-worded for past tense

I added clarifications where possible to avoid bias and make the article more neutral

and I submitted it for review. Hope this is helpful. Newsworthiness is an issue and I hope it can be passed with exception as articles were not published for a while.

Please also note I posted a section [https://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikinews:Water_cooler/proposals#Proposal_to_cease_publishing_after_around_April_14 here]. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 08:16, 5 April 2026 (UTC)

== Review of revision 5005122 [Not ready] ==

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== Review of revision 5005210 [Passed] ==

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| comments = News is over a week old but I am publishing. The headline could be better but there is so much controversy about how to put it properly that I am content with the current revision.

Overall as a piece of feedback, it is necessary to be more factual and as much as possible insert facts rather than qualitative characterizations. I believe this has substantially improved in the last few days as the article has been revised. Thank you.

I have read the talk page and I believe the concerns there have been satisfactorily addressed in the recent edits and in the resulting current revision.

Copyright check passed flagging only the quote(s) included in the text.

I am recommending to add a sentence about expected consequence (fine, jail time) or if it is unknown then, when is this expected to be determined. If you could please make this change within 24 hours, then it could be sighted and be included in the report.
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-- [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 01:33, 6 April 2026 (UTC)
: I find the publication of this article problematic. I agree with @[[User:Metropolitan90|Metropolitan90]] above regarding the headline as well as our use of the term 'crimes against humanity.'&lt;br&gt; There is not adequate, independent support to state that anyone has been found guilty &quot;of crimes against the humanity of gays and lesbians.&quot; The available reporting does not support that characterization.&lt;br&gt; Reuters stated the conviction was for ''incitement'':&lt;blockquote&gt;The court found Paivi Rasanen, a medical doctor and MP for the small Christian Democratic party since 1995, guilty of incitement against a group by claiming in ​a social media post in 2019 and on her website in 2020 ​that it was scientifically proven that homosexuality was a developmental disorder.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Machine translation of the [https://korkeinoikeus.fi/fi/index/ennakkopaatokset/kko202627.html Supreme Court's release] states the following:&lt;blockquote&gt;A is charged with incitement against a group of people between November 4, 2019 and January 24, 2022 (count 1), for which he is sentenced to a 20-day fine.&lt;br&gt; B is charged with incitement against a group of people between November 4, 2019 and January 24, 2022 (count 2), for which he is sentenced to a 20-day fine.&lt;br&gt; The X Foundation is sentenced to a corporate fine of 5,000 euros.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Both the reporting and the court’s own release describe the offense as incitement against a group. I do not see support for describing the conviction as 'crimes against humanity,' and that appears to be a mischaracterization of the ruling.&lt;br&gt; While one listed source uses that phrasing, it originates from Christian Institute. That phrasing appears in the headline, while the body of the article instead states: ''&quot;This offence is listed under a chapter of criminal code entitled “war crimes and crimes against humanity”.'' This reflects a description of the structure of the criminal code rather than the charge or conviction itself, and does not support the wording used in the article.&lt;br&gt; Similarly, Christian Institute is a perspective-driven publication and does not provide the level of independent, objective reporting needed to support such a claim.&lt;br&gt; Given that higher-quality, independent sources consistently describe the offense as incitement, I do not see a basis for retaining the current wording.&lt;br&gt; @[[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]], as the publishing reviewer, what steps will be taken to correct this?[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 11:57, 6 April 2026 (UTC)
::Do you believe a retraction is imminent? [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 16:22, 6 April 2026 (UTC)

== Headline ==

As [[#More headline problems|previously also noted by both]] @[[User:Metropolitan90|Metropolitan90]] and myself, the headline is simply too vague if it does not note the specific sort of defendants convicted by the Supreme Court and as also [[#c-Justthefacts-20260330203400-Metropolitan90-20260330025700|previously noted by myself]], the title should note that Supreme Court convicted Christians, because there are four defendants, of whom two are individuals and of whom only one is politician and the other is a bishop, and the other two defendants are institutions, and the only thing that they have in common is that they are all Christian. [[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 20:41, 6 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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      <text bytes="16986" sha1="f2lrqsj6ah6yrdbhn46zjjnsvx6bff9" xml:space="preserve">== Headline question ==

I questioned the use of the term &quot;crimes against humanity&quot; in the headline and lead paragraph based on the following:

:I would note that one of the cited sources, [https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/mar/26/finnish-mp-paivi-rasanen-convicted-homosexuality-developmental-disorder this article from The Guardian], begins with the sentence, &quot;A Finnish member of parliament has been found guilty by the country’s supreme court of inciting hatred after claiming that homosexuality was a 'developmental disorder', in a conviction that prompted criticism from far-right government ministers.&quot; That source doesn't even mention the term &quot;crimes against humanity&quot; at all. Another cited article from [https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/paivi-rasanen-homosexuality-supreme-court-finland-b2946208.html The Independent] doesn't mention &quot;crimes against humanity&quot;, either. I am also concerned that the use of the term &quot;{{w|crimes against humanity}}&quot; may be considered misleading as to the nature of the charges involved notwithstanding how the term is used in the Finnish Criminal Code which few English Wikinews readers may be familiar with.
[[User:Metropolitan90|Metropolitan90]] ([[User talk:Metropolitan90|talk]]) 01:16, 28 March 2026 (UTC)

:Hello, Metropolitan90! [[User_talk:Metropolitan90#c-Justthefacts-20260328005600-Regarding your move of my article|As I also noted in a message to you on your user talk page]], the actual charge, the actual crime, and the actual conviction all fall under the section of the {{w|Criminal Code of Finland}} that concerns {{w|crimes against humanity}}. Moreover, there is a particular focus from several sources on the fact that Räsänen and Pohjola were convicted under the section of the Criminal Code of Finland that concerns crimes against humanity. If there are any ambiguities at all, all will be resolved when readers read the article itself. [[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 01:37, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::Two of the cited sources ([https://www.christiantoday.com/news/landmark-ruling-expected-in-finnish-politician-s-bible-tweet-case Christian Today], [https://adfinternational.org/news/breaking-landmark-ruling-expected-in-finnish-bible-tweet-case-tomorrow ADF International]) both say that Rasanen was convicted under a section titled “war crimes and crimes against humanity”, but I hope we're not going to change the headline to say that Rasanen and Pohjola were convicted of war crimes, too. --[[User:Metropolitan90|Metropolitan90]] ([[User talk:Metropolitan90|talk]]) 01:57, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::The section specifically concerns crimes against  humanity and courts determine the severity of the crimes against humanity that were committed, which can range from simply dehumanising a minority to genocide and war crimes. The section of the criminal code of Finland is based on the expertise and scholarship of experts and scholars of crimes against humanity who hold that crimes against humanity begin relatively simple in the form of simply dehumanising minorities and continue escalating until eventually genocide and war crimes. This landmark ruling is precisely regarded as such because it considers that even the most simplest form, dehumanising a minority, does indeed constitute a crime against humanity in and of itself. --[[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 02:04, 28 March 2026 (UTC)

==Luther Foundation==
Where does it say that the Luther Foundation was convicted, too? I just checked all of the cited sources and I couldn't find where any of them said that the Luther Foundation was also convicted. In fact, I only saw the phrase &quot;Luther Foundation&quot; in two of the articles ([https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/mar/26/finnish-mp-paivi-rasanen-convicted-homosexuality-developmental-disorder The Guardian] and [https://www.christianitytoday.com/2026/03/finnish-parlimentarian-paivi-rasanen-christian-hate-speech/ Christianity Today]). --[[User:Metropolitan90|Metropolitan90]] ([[User talk:Metropolitan90|talk]]) 15:03, 28 March 2026 (UTC)

:Resolved. [[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 18:01, 28 March 2026 (UTC)

== Minor revision requested ==

@[[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] The article's lead section is required to state when the focal point event took place (calendar day, day of the week, ect.). Can you add that in real quick? I would add it myself but I intend to review this article. Thanks. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 23:31, 28 March 2026 (UTC)

:March 26, 2026 Alliance Defending Freedom International
:@[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 00:35, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::Claude AI helped me. Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 00:35, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Can you add to the article that the ruling happened on Thursday so I don't have to? [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 00:48, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::Thank you @[[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]]. [[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 18:03, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

== Might want to read this ==

The '''headline''' you referenced is a somewhat sensationalized framing of the case, but here's what actually happened: In a narrow 3–2 decision, the Finnish Supreme Court found parliamentarian Päivi Räsänen guilty of &quot;hate speech&quot; related to the expression of her beliefs on marriage and sexual ethics in a 2004 church pamphlet. Alliance Defending Freedom International

@[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 00:37, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

:https://claude.ai/chat/aa894899-c1f6-4236-964a-f90a3f25a23b Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 00:44, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::What is this? [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 00:47, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::The '''headline''' you referenced is a somewhat sensationalized framing of the case, but here's what actually happened: In a narrow 3–2 decision, the Finnish Supreme Court found parliamentarian Päivi Räsänen guilty of &quot;hate speech&quot; related to the expression of her beliefs on marriage and sexual ethics in a 2004 church pamphlet.I asked Claude and this is what was said about the headline.
:::The '''headline''' you referenced is a somewhat sensationalized framing of the case, but here's what actually happened: In a narrow 3–2 decision, the Finnish Supreme Court found parliamentarian Päivi Räsänen guilty of &quot;hate speech&quot; related to the expression of her beliefs on marriage and sexual ethics in a 2004 church pamphlet.
:::@[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]], thanks. Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 00:52, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:The actual charge, actual crime, and actual conviction are all under the section of the {{w|Criminal Code of Finland}} that concerns {{w|crimes against humanity}}. Any {{w|Artificial intelligence}}, {{w|chatbot}}, {{w|generative AI}}, {{w|large language model}} can be incorrect about the facts, which is why it is necessary to manually verify. Thank for your involvement nonetheless, @[[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]]. [[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 18:02, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

== More headline problems ==

The headline now says, &quot;Supreme Court of Finland makes crimes against the humanity convictions in landmark ruling&quot;. This doesn't sound like idiomatic English. The commonly used phrase is &quot;crimes against humanity&quot;, not &quot;crimes against the humanity&quot;, at least in this context (note that it no longer says &quot;crimes against the humanity of gays and lesbians&quot;). Also, the phrase that a court &quot;makes [name of crime] convictions&quot; is awkward. I wouldn't write that a court &quot;makes murder convictions&quot;, &quot;makes kidnapping convictions&quot;, etc.; I would write that a court &quot;convicts [someone] of murder&quot;, &quot;convicts [someone] of kidnapping&quot;, etc. Or in this case, the Supreme Court of Finland convicts [the specified defendants] of crimes against humanity, although several versions of the headline has gone back and forth as to whether to refer to them by name, as politicians, or as Christians. -- [[User:Metropolitan90|Metropolitan90]] ([[User talk:Metropolitan90|talk]]) 02:57, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

:I agree that it is too vague to simply say that the Supreme Court of Finland made convictions. It should say against Christians, rather than by name or politicians, because there are four defendants, of whom two are individuals and of whom only one is politician and the other is a bishop, and the other two defendants are institutions, and the only thing that they have in common is that they are all Christian. [[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 20:34, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

== Way too many sources  ==

I'm sorry but its just going to take me way too long to review this given that there are like ten sources used in the article and I don't even know if all of them are required to verify the info, I am very overwhelmed at this point, other editors have been moaning and bitching about the way I review articles, and the WMF is now officially closing Wikinews next month so there's no point in finishing this anyway. You can try and see if someone else can review this, but given the way things have been going here the last six months I would not bank on it, man. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 12:41, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

:I used a significant amount of sources just to be sure, because this is my very first ever Wikinews article! I really appreciate your edits and your work! Could you try and see this through to the end? I really put in a lot of work into this article and would really like to see it published! [[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 22:51, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::@[[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]], come join my news wiki. Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 22:52, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::https://newswikien.fandom.com/wiki/NewsWikiEN_Wiki Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 22:52, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::Yes, I will try. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 00:02, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

== Review of revision 5003204 [Not ready] ==

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== Note to reviewer(s) ==

Hello,

I edited the text to remove one sentence that was vague and created bias ( is consistently ranked at or near the top of various indices of freedom and democracy, and is therefore broadly considered to be a model liberal democracy.) this sentence may be re-added if details is included.

I re-ordered for inverted pyramid

I re-worded for past tense

I added clarifications where possible to avoid bias and make the article more neutral

and I submitted it for review. Hope this is helpful. Newsworthiness is an issue and I hope it can be passed with exception as articles were not published for a while.

Please also note I posted a section [https://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikinews:Water_cooler/proposals#Proposal_to_cease_publishing_after_around_April_14 here]. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 08:16, 5 April 2026 (UTC)

== Review of revision 5005122 [Not ready] ==

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== Review of revision 5005210 [Passed] ==

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| comments = News is over a week old but I am publishing. The headline could be better but there is so much controversy about how to put it properly that I am content with the current revision.

Overall as a piece of feedback, it is necessary to be more factual and as much as possible insert facts rather than qualitative characterizations. I believe this has substantially improved in the last few days as the article has been revised. Thank you.

I have read the talk page and I believe the concerns there have been satisfactorily addressed in the recent edits and in the resulting current revision.

Copyright check passed flagging only the quote(s) included in the text.

I am recommending to add a sentence about expected consequence (fine, jail time) or if it is unknown then, when is this expected to be determined. If you could please make this change within 24 hours, then it could be sighted and be included in the report.
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-- [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 01:33, 6 April 2026 (UTC)
: I find the publication of this article problematic. I agree with @[[User:Metropolitan90|Metropolitan90]] above regarding the headline as well as our use of the term 'crimes against humanity.'&lt;br&gt; There is not adequate, independent support to state that anyone has been found guilty &quot;of crimes against the humanity of gays and lesbians.&quot; The available reporting does not support that characterization.&lt;br&gt; Reuters stated the conviction was for ''incitement'':&lt;blockquote&gt;The court found Paivi Rasanen, a medical doctor and MP for the small Christian Democratic party since 1995, guilty of incitement against a group by claiming in ​a social media post in 2019 and on her website in 2020 ​that it was scientifically proven that homosexuality was a developmental disorder.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Machine translation of the [https://korkeinoikeus.fi/fi/index/ennakkopaatokset/kko202627.html Supreme Court's release] states the following:&lt;blockquote&gt;A is charged with incitement against a group of people between November 4, 2019 and January 24, 2022 (count 1), for which he is sentenced to a 20-day fine.&lt;br&gt; B is charged with incitement against a group of people between November 4, 2019 and January 24, 2022 (count 2), for which he is sentenced to a 20-day fine.&lt;br&gt; The X Foundation is sentenced to a corporate fine of 5,000 euros.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Both the reporting and the court’s own release describe the offense as incitement against a group. I do not see support for describing the conviction as 'crimes against humanity,' and that appears to be a mischaracterization of the ruling.&lt;br&gt; While one listed source uses that phrasing, it originates from Christian Institute. That phrasing appears in the headline, while the body of the article instead states: ''&quot;This offence is listed under a chapter of criminal code entitled “war crimes and crimes against humanity”.'' This reflects a description of the structure of the criminal code rather than the charge or conviction itself, and does not support the wording used in the article.&lt;br&gt; Similarly, Christian Institute is a perspective-driven publication and does not provide the level of independent, objective reporting needed to support such a claim.&lt;br&gt; Given that higher-quality, independent sources consistently describe the offense as incitement, I do not see a basis for retaining the current wording.&lt;br&gt; @[[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]], as the publishing reviewer, what steps will be taken to correct this?[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 11:57, 6 April 2026 (UTC)
::Do you believe a retraction is imminent? [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 16:22, 6 April 2026 (UTC)

== Headline ==

As [[#More headline problems|previously noted by both]] @[[User:Metropolitan90|Metropolitan90]] and myself, the headline is simply too vague if it does not note the specific sort of defendants convicted by the Supreme Court and as also [[#c-Justthefacts-20260330203400-Metropolitan90-20260330025700|previously noted by myself]], the title should note that Supreme Court convicted Christians, because there are four defendants, of whom two are individuals and of whom only one is politician and the other is a bishop, and the other two defendants are institutions, and the only thing that they have in common is that they are all Christian. [[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 20:41, 6 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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      <text bytes="17551" sha1="fwspy2950w8m08qpxgp8tjckjjcov0x" xml:space="preserve">== Headline question ==

I questioned the use of the term &quot;crimes against humanity&quot; in the headline and lead paragraph based on the following:

:I would note that one of the cited sources, [https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/mar/26/finnish-mp-paivi-rasanen-convicted-homosexuality-developmental-disorder this article from The Guardian], begins with the sentence, &quot;A Finnish member of parliament has been found guilty by the country’s supreme court of inciting hatred after claiming that homosexuality was a 'developmental disorder', in a conviction that prompted criticism from far-right government ministers.&quot; That source doesn't even mention the term &quot;crimes against humanity&quot; at all. Another cited article from [https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/paivi-rasanen-homosexuality-supreme-court-finland-b2946208.html The Independent] doesn't mention &quot;crimes against humanity&quot;, either. I am also concerned that the use of the term &quot;{{w|crimes against humanity}}&quot; may be considered misleading as to the nature of the charges involved notwithstanding how the term is used in the Finnish Criminal Code which few English Wikinews readers may be familiar with.
[[User:Metropolitan90|Metropolitan90]] ([[User talk:Metropolitan90|talk]]) 01:16, 28 March 2026 (UTC)

:Hello, Metropolitan90! [[User_talk:Metropolitan90#c-Justthefacts-20260328005600-Regarding your move of my article|As I also noted in a message to you on your user talk page]], the actual charge, the actual crime, and the actual conviction all fall under the section of the {{w|Criminal Code of Finland}} that concerns {{w|crimes against humanity}}. Moreover, there is a particular focus from several sources on the fact that Räsänen and Pohjola were convicted under the section of the Criminal Code of Finland that concerns crimes against humanity. If there are any ambiguities at all, all will be resolved when readers read the article itself. [[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 01:37, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::Two of the cited sources ([https://www.christiantoday.com/news/landmark-ruling-expected-in-finnish-politician-s-bible-tweet-case Christian Today], [https://adfinternational.org/news/breaking-landmark-ruling-expected-in-finnish-bible-tweet-case-tomorrow ADF International]) both say that Rasanen was convicted under a section titled “war crimes and crimes against humanity”, but I hope we're not going to change the headline to say that Rasanen and Pohjola were convicted of war crimes, too. --[[User:Metropolitan90|Metropolitan90]] ([[User talk:Metropolitan90|talk]]) 01:57, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::The section specifically concerns crimes against  humanity and courts determine the severity of the crimes against humanity that were committed, which can range from simply dehumanising a minority to genocide and war crimes. The section of the criminal code of Finland is based on the expertise and scholarship of experts and scholars of crimes against humanity who hold that crimes against humanity begin relatively simple in the form of simply dehumanising minorities and continue escalating until eventually genocide and war crimes. This landmark ruling is precisely regarded as such because it considers that even the most simplest form, dehumanising a minority, does indeed constitute a crime against humanity in and of itself. --[[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 02:04, 28 March 2026 (UTC)

==Luther Foundation==
Where does it say that the Luther Foundation was convicted, too? I just checked all of the cited sources and I couldn't find where any of them said that the Luther Foundation was also convicted. In fact, I only saw the phrase &quot;Luther Foundation&quot; in two of the articles ([https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/mar/26/finnish-mp-paivi-rasanen-convicted-homosexuality-developmental-disorder The Guardian] and [https://www.christianitytoday.com/2026/03/finnish-parlimentarian-paivi-rasanen-christian-hate-speech/ Christianity Today]). --[[User:Metropolitan90|Metropolitan90]] ([[User talk:Metropolitan90|talk]]) 15:03, 28 March 2026 (UTC)

:Resolved. [[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 18:01, 28 March 2026 (UTC)

== Minor revision requested ==

@[[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] The article's lead section is required to state when the focal point event took place (calendar day, day of the week, ect.). Can you add that in real quick? I would add it myself but I intend to review this article. Thanks. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 23:31, 28 March 2026 (UTC)

:March 26, 2026 Alliance Defending Freedom International
:@[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 00:35, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::Claude AI helped me. Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 00:35, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Can you add to the article that the ruling happened on Thursday so I don't have to? [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 00:48, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::Thank you @[[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]]. [[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 18:03, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

== Might want to read this ==

The '''headline''' you referenced is a somewhat sensationalized framing of the case, but here's what actually happened: In a narrow 3–2 decision, the Finnish Supreme Court found parliamentarian Päivi Räsänen guilty of &quot;hate speech&quot; related to the expression of her beliefs on marriage and sexual ethics in a 2004 church pamphlet. Alliance Defending Freedom International

@[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 00:37, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

:https://claude.ai/chat/aa894899-c1f6-4236-964a-f90a3f25a23b Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 00:44, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::What is this? [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 00:47, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::The '''headline''' you referenced is a somewhat sensationalized framing of the case, but here's what actually happened: In a narrow 3–2 decision, the Finnish Supreme Court found parliamentarian Päivi Räsänen guilty of &quot;hate speech&quot; related to the expression of her beliefs on marriage and sexual ethics in a 2004 church pamphlet.I asked Claude and this is what was said about the headline.
:::The '''headline''' you referenced is a somewhat sensationalized framing of the case, but here's what actually happened: In a narrow 3–2 decision, the Finnish Supreme Court found parliamentarian Päivi Räsänen guilty of &quot;hate speech&quot; related to the expression of her beliefs on marriage and sexual ethics in a 2004 church pamphlet.
:::@[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]], thanks. Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 00:52, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:The actual charge, actual crime, and actual conviction are all under the section of the {{w|Criminal Code of Finland}} that concerns {{w|crimes against humanity}}. Any {{w|Artificial intelligence}}, {{w|chatbot}}, {{w|generative AI}}, {{w|large language model}} can be incorrect about the facts, which is why it is necessary to manually verify. Thank for your involvement nonetheless, @[[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]]. [[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 18:02, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

== More headline problems ==

The headline now says, &quot;Supreme Court of Finland makes crimes against the humanity convictions in landmark ruling&quot;. This doesn't sound like idiomatic English. The commonly used phrase is &quot;crimes against humanity&quot;, not &quot;crimes against the humanity&quot;, at least in this context (note that it no longer says &quot;crimes against the humanity of gays and lesbians&quot;). Also, the phrase that a court &quot;makes [name of crime] convictions&quot; is awkward. I wouldn't write that a court &quot;makes murder convictions&quot;, &quot;makes kidnapping convictions&quot;, etc.; I would write that a court &quot;convicts [someone] of murder&quot;, &quot;convicts [someone] of kidnapping&quot;, etc. Or in this case, the Supreme Court of Finland convicts [the specified defendants] of crimes against humanity, although several versions of the headline has gone back and forth as to whether to refer to them by name, as politicians, or as Christians. -- [[User:Metropolitan90|Metropolitan90]] ([[User talk:Metropolitan90|talk]]) 02:57, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

:I agree that it is too vague to simply say that the Supreme Court of Finland made convictions. It should say against Christians, rather than by name or politicians, because there are four defendants, of whom two are individuals and of whom only one is politician and the other is a bishop, and the other two defendants are institutions, and the only thing that they have in common is that they are all Christian. [[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 20:34, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

== Way too many sources  ==

I'm sorry but its just going to take me way too long to review this given that there are like ten sources used in the article and I don't even know if all of them are required to verify the info, I am very overwhelmed at this point, other editors have been moaning and bitching about the way I review articles, and the WMF is now officially closing Wikinews next month so there's no point in finishing this anyway. You can try and see if someone else can review this, but given the way things have been going here the last six months I would not bank on it, man. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 12:41, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

:I used a significant amount of sources just to be sure, because this is my very first ever Wikinews article! I really appreciate your edits and your work! Could you try and see this through to the end? I really put in a lot of work into this article and would really like to see it published! [[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 22:51, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::@[[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]], come join my news wiki. Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 22:52, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::https://newswikien.fandom.com/wiki/NewsWikiEN_Wiki Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 22:52, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::Yes, I will try. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 00:02, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

== Review of revision 5003204 [Not ready] ==

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== Note to reviewer(s) ==

Hello,

I edited the text to remove one sentence that was vague and created bias ( is consistently ranked at or near the top of various indices of freedom and democracy, and is therefore broadly considered to be a model liberal democracy.) this sentence may be re-added if details is included.

I re-ordered for inverted pyramid

I re-worded for past tense

I added clarifications where possible to avoid bias and make the article more neutral

and I submitted it for review. Hope this is helpful. Newsworthiness is an issue and I hope it can be passed with exception as articles were not published for a while.

Please also note I posted a section [https://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikinews:Water_cooler/proposals#Proposal_to_cease_publishing_after_around_April_14 here]. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 08:16, 5 April 2026 (UTC)

== Review of revision 5005122 [Not ready] ==

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Overall as a piece of feedback, it is necessary to be more factual and as much as possible insert facts rather than qualitative characterizations. I believe this has substantially improved in the last few days as the article has been revised. Thank you.

I have read the talk page and I believe the concerns there have been satisfactorily addressed in the recent edits and in the resulting current revision.

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I am recommending to add a sentence about expected consequence (fine, jail time) or if it is unknown then, when is this expected to be determined. If you could please make this change within 24 hours, then it could be sighted and be included in the report.
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-- [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 01:33, 6 April 2026 (UTC)
: I find the publication of this article problematic. I agree with @[[User:Metropolitan90|Metropolitan90]] above regarding the headline as well as our use of the term 'crimes against humanity.'&lt;br&gt; There is not adequate, independent support to state that anyone has been found guilty &quot;of crimes against the humanity of gays and lesbians.&quot; The available reporting does not support that characterization.&lt;br&gt; Reuters stated the conviction was for ''incitement'':&lt;blockquote&gt;The court found Paivi Rasanen, a medical doctor and MP for the small Christian Democratic party since 1995, guilty of incitement against a group by claiming in ​a social media post in 2019 and on her website in 2020 ​that it was scientifically proven that homosexuality was a developmental disorder.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Machine translation of the [https://korkeinoikeus.fi/fi/index/ennakkopaatokset/kko202627.html Supreme Court's release] states the following:&lt;blockquote&gt;A is charged with incitement against a group of people between November 4, 2019 and January 24, 2022 (count 1), for which he is sentenced to a 20-day fine.&lt;br&gt; B is charged with incitement against a group of people between November 4, 2019 and January 24, 2022 (count 2), for which he is sentenced to a 20-day fine.&lt;br&gt; The X Foundation is sentenced to a corporate fine of 5,000 euros.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Both the reporting and the court’s own release describe the offense as incitement against a group. I do not see support for describing the conviction as 'crimes against humanity,' and that appears to be a mischaracterization of the ruling.&lt;br&gt; While one listed source uses that phrasing, it originates from Christian Institute. That phrasing appears in the headline, while the body of the article instead states: ''&quot;This offence is listed under a chapter of criminal code entitled “war crimes and crimes against humanity”.'' This reflects a description of the structure of the criminal code rather than the charge or conviction itself, and does not support the wording used in the article.&lt;br&gt; Similarly, Christian Institute is a perspective-driven publication and does not provide the level of independent, objective reporting needed to support such a claim.&lt;br&gt; Given that higher-quality, independent sources consistently describe the offense as incitement, I do not see a basis for retaining the current wording.&lt;br&gt; @[[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]], as the publishing reviewer, what steps will be taken to correct this?[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 11:57, 6 April 2026 (UTC)
::Do you believe a retraction is imminent? [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 16:22, 6 April 2026 (UTC)

== Headline ==

As [[#More headline problems|previously noted by both]] @[[User:Metropolitan90|Metropolitan90]] and myself, the headline is simply too vague if it does not note the specific sort of defendants convicted by the Supreme Court and as also [[#c-Justthefacts-20260330203400-Metropolitan90-20260330025700|previously noted by myself]], the title should note that Supreme Court convicted Christians, because there are four defendants, of whom two are individuals and of whom only one is politician and the other is a bishop, and the other two defendants are institutions, and the only thing that they have in common is that they are all Christian. [[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 20:41, 6 April 2026 (UTC)
: If reputable, independent sources explicitly characterize the defendants in that way, we can reflect that with proper attribution. Otherwise, grouping them under a shared identity constitutes editorial analysis, which is not appropriate under [[WN:NPOV]]. The headline should follow how the conviction is described in sources, not introduce a characterization that is not clearly supported.[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 21:12, 6 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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      <text bytes="18617" sha1="ftcspy89qtnf9ygonp5j21orpnh1skl" xml:space="preserve">== Headline question ==

I questioned the use of the term &quot;crimes against humanity&quot; in the headline and lead paragraph based on the following:

:I would note that one of the cited sources, [https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/mar/26/finnish-mp-paivi-rasanen-convicted-homosexuality-developmental-disorder this article from The Guardian], begins with the sentence, &quot;A Finnish member of parliament has been found guilty by the country’s supreme court of inciting hatred after claiming that homosexuality was a 'developmental disorder', in a conviction that prompted criticism from far-right government ministers.&quot; That source doesn't even mention the term &quot;crimes against humanity&quot; at all. Another cited article from [https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/paivi-rasanen-homosexuality-supreme-court-finland-b2946208.html The Independent] doesn't mention &quot;crimes against humanity&quot;, either. I am also concerned that the use of the term &quot;{{w|crimes against humanity}}&quot; may be considered misleading as to the nature of the charges involved notwithstanding how the term is used in the Finnish Criminal Code which few English Wikinews readers may be familiar with.
[[User:Metropolitan90|Metropolitan90]] ([[User talk:Metropolitan90|talk]]) 01:16, 28 March 2026 (UTC)

:Hello, Metropolitan90! [[User_talk:Metropolitan90#c-Justthefacts-20260328005600-Regarding your move of my article|As I also noted in a message to you on your user talk page]], the actual charge, the actual crime, and the actual conviction all fall under the section of the {{w|Criminal Code of Finland}} that concerns {{w|crimes against humanity}}. Moreover, there is a particular focus from several sources on the fact that Räsänen and Pohjola were convicted under the section of the Criminal Code of Finland that concerns crimes against humanity. If there are any ambiguities at all, all will be resolved when readers read the article itself. [[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 01:37, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::Two of the cited sources ([https://www.christiantoday.com/news/landmark-ruling-expected-in-finnish-politician-s-bible-tweet-case Christian Today], [https://adfinternational.org/news/breaking-landmark-ruling-expected-in-finnish-bible-tweet-case-tomorrow ADF International]) both say that Rasanen was convicted under a section titled “war crimes and crimes against humanity”, but I hope we're not going to change the headline to say that Rasanen and Pohjola were convicted of war crimes, too. --[[User:Metropolitan90|Metropolitan90]] ([[User talk:Metropolitan90|talk]]) 01:57, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::The section specifically concerns crimes against  humanity and courts determine the severity of the crimes against humanity that were committed, which can range from simply dehumanising a minority to genocide and war crimes. The section of the criminal code of Finland is based on the expertise and scholarship of experts and scholars of crimes against humanity who hold that crimes against humanity begin relatively simple in the form of simply dehumanising minorities and continue escalating until eventually genocide and war crimes. This landmark ruling is precisely regarded as such because it considers that even the most simplest form, dehumanising a minority, does indeed constitute a crime against humanity in and of itself. --[[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 02:04, 28 March 2026 (UTC)

==Luther Foundation==
Where does it say that the Luther Foundation was convicted, too? I just checked all of the cited sources and I couldn't find where any of them said that the Luther Foundation was also convicted. In fact, I only saw the phrase &quot;Luther Foundation&quot; in two of the articles ([https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/mar/26/finnish-mp-paivi-rasanen-convicted-homosexuality-developmental-disorder The Guardian] and [https://www.christianitytoday.com/2026/03/finnish-parlimentarian-paivi-rasanen-christian-hate-speech/ Christianity Today]). --[[User:Metropolitan90|Metropolitan90]] ([[User talk:Metropolitan90|talk]]) 15:03, 28 March 2026 (UTC)

:Resolved. [[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 18:01, 28 March 2026 (UTC)

== Minor revision requested ==

@[[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] The article's lead section is required to state when the focal point event took place (calendar day, day of the week, ect.). Can you add that in real quick? I would add it myself but I intend to review this article. Thanks. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 23:31, 28 March 2026 (UTC)

:March 26, 2026 Alliance Defending Freedom International
:@[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 00:35, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::Claude AI helped me. Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 00:35, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Can you add to the article that the ruling happened on Thursday so I don't have to? [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 00:48, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::Thank you @[[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]]. [[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 18:03, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

== Might want to read this ==

The '''headline''' you referenced is a somewhat sensationalized framing of the case, but here's what actually happened: In a narrow 3–2 decision, the Finnish Supreme Court found parliamentarian Päivi Räsänen guilty of &quot;hate speech&quot; related to the expression of her beliefs on marriage and sexual ethics in a 2004 church pamphlet. Alliance Defending Freedom International

@[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 00:37, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

:https://claude.ai/chat/aa894899-c1f6-4236-964a-f90a3f25a23b Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 00:44, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::What is this? [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 00:47, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::The '''headline''' you referenced is a somewhat sensationalized framing of the case, but here's what actually happened: In a narrow 3–2 decision, the Finnish Supreme Court found parliamentarian Päivi Räsänen guilty of &quot;hate speech&quot; related to the expression of her beliefs on marriage and sexual ethics in a 2004 church pamphlet.I asked Claude and this is what was said about the headline.
:::The '''headline''' you referenced is a somewhat sensationalized framing of the case, but here's what actually happened: In a narrow 3–2 decision, the Finnish Supreme Court found parliamentarian Päivi Räsänen guilty of &quot;hate speech&quot; related to the expression of her beliefs on marriage and sexual ethics in a 2004 church pamphlet.
:::@[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]], thanks. Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 00:52, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:The actual charge, actual crime, and actual conviction are all under the section of the {{w|Criminal Code of Finland}} that concerns {{w|crimes against humanity}}. Any {{w|Artificial intelligence}}, {{w|chatbot}}, {{w|generative AI}}, {{w|large language model}} can be incorrect about the facts, which is why it is necessary to manually verify. Thank for your involvement nonetheless, @[[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]]. [[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 18:02, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

== More headline problems ==

The headline now says, &quot;Supreme Court of Finland makes crimes against the humanity convictions in landmark ruling&quot;. This doesn't sound like idiomatic English. The commonly used phrase is &quot;crimes against humanity&quot;, not &quot;crimes against the humanity&quot;, at least in this context (note that it no longer says &quot;crimes against the humanity of gays and lesbians&quot;). Also, the phrase that a court &quot;makes [name of crime] convictions&quot; is awkward. I wouldn't write that a court &quot;makes murder convictions&quot;, &quot;makes kidnapping convictions&quot;, etc.; I would write that a court &quot;convicts [someone] of murder&quot;, &quot;convicts [someone] of kidnapping&quot;, etc. Or in this case, the Supreme Court of Finland convicts [the specified defendants] of crimes against humanity, although several versions of the headline has gone back and forth as to whether to refer to them by name, as politicians, or as Christians. -- [[User:Metropolitan90|Metropolitan90]] ([[User talk:Metropolitan90|talk]]) 02:57, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

:I agree that it is too vague to simply say that the Supreme Court of Finland made convictions. It should say against Christians, rather than by name or politicians, because there are four defendants, of whom two are individuals and of whom only one is politician and the other is a bishop, and the other two defendants are institutions, and the only thing that they have in common is that they are all Christian. [[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 20:34, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

== Way too many sources  ==

I'm sorry but its just going to take me way too long to review this given that there are like ten sources used in the article and I don't even know if all of them are required to verify the info, I am very overwhelmed at this point, other editors have been moaning and bitching about the way I review articles, and the WMF is now officially closing Wikinews next month so there's no point in finishing this anyway. You can try and see if someone else can review this, but given the way things have been going here the last six months I would not bank on it, man. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 12:41, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

:I used a significant amount of sources just to be sure, because this is my very first ever Wikinews article! I really appreciate your edits and your work! Could you try and see this through to the end? I really put in a lot of work into this article and would really like to see it published! [[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 22:51, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::@[[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]], come join my news wiki. Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 22:52, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::https://newswikien.fandom.com/wiki/NewsWikiEN_Wiki Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 22:52, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::Yes, I will try. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 00:02, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

== Review of revision 5003204 [Not ready] ==

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== Note to reviewer(s) ==

Hello,

I edited the text to remove one sentence that was vague and created bias ( is consistently ranked at or near the top of various indices of freedom and democracy, and is therefore broadly considered to be a model liberal democracy.) this sentence may be re-added if details is included.

I re-ordered for inverted pyramid

I re-worded for past tense

I added clarifications where possible to avoid bias and make the article more neutral

and I submitted it for review. Hope this is helpful. Newsworthiness is an issue and I hope it can be passed with exception as articles were not published for a while.

Please also note I posted a section [https://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikinews:Water_cooler/proposals#Proposal_to_cease_publishing_after_around_April_14 here]. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 08:16, 5 April 2026 (UTC)

== Review of revision 5005122 [Not ready] ==

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== Review of revision 5005210 [Passed] ==

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Overall as a piece of feedback, it is necessary to be more factual and as much as possible insert facts rather than qualitative characterizations. I believe this has substantially improved in the last few days as the article has been revised. Thank you.

I have read the talk page and I believe the concerns there have been satisfactorily addressed in the recent edits and in the resulting current revision.

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I am recommending to add a sentence about expected consequence (fine, jail time) or if it is unknown then, when is this expected to be determined. If you could please make this change within 24 hours, then it could be sighted and be included in the report.
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-- [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 01:33, 6 April 2026 (UTC)
: I find the publication of this article problematic. I agree with @[[User:Metropolitan90|Metropolitan90]] above regarding the headline as well as our use of the term 'crimes against humanity.'&lt;br&gt; There is not adequate, independent support to state that anyone has been found guilty &quot;of crimes against the humanity of gays and lesbians.&quot; The available reporting does not support that characterization.&lt;br&gt; Reuters stated the conviction was for ''incitement'':&lt;blockquote&gt;The court found Paivi Rasanen, a medical doctor and MP for the small Christian Democratic party since 1995, guilty of incitement against a group by claiming in ​a social media post in 2019 and on her website in 2020 ​that it was scientifically proven that homosexuality was a developmental disorder.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Machine translation of the [https://korkeinoikeus.fi/fi/index/ennakkopaatokset/kko202627.html Supreme Court's release] states the following:&lt;blockquote&gt;A is charged with incitement against a group of people between November 4, 2019 and January 24, 2022 (count 1), for which he is sentenced to a 20-day fine.&lt;br&gt; B is charged with incitement against a group of people between November 4, 2019 and January 24, 2022 (count 2), for which he is sentenced to a 20-day fine.&lt;br&gt; The X Foundation is sentenced to a corporate fine of 5,000 euros.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Both the reporting and the court’s own release describe the offense as incitement against a group. I do not see support for describing the conviction as 'crimes against humanity,' and that appears to be a mischaracterization of the ruling.&lt;br&gt; While one listed source uses that phrasing, it originates from Christian Institute. That phrasing appears in the headline, while the body of the article instead states: ''&quot;This offence is listed under a chapter of criminal code entitled “war crimes and crimes against humanity”.'' This reflects a description of the structure of the criminal code rather than the charge or conviction itself, and does not support the wording used in the article.&lt;br&gt; Similarly, Christian Institute is a perspective-driven publication and does not provide the level of independent, objective reporting needed to support such a claim.&lt;br&gt; Given that higher-quality, independent sources consistently describe the offense as incitement, I do not see a basis for retaining the current wording.&lt;br&gt; @[[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]], as the publishing reviewer, what steps will be taken to correct this?[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 11:57, 6 April 2026 (UTC)
::Do you believe a retraction is imminent? [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 16:22, 6 April 2026 (UTC)
::: I have not conducted a full review of the article. My concerns are currently limited to the use of &quot;crimes against humanity.&quot;
::: I have reviewed the Supreme Court’s release, which describes the conviction as incitement against a group. That characterization is consistent with independent reporting and does not appear to support describing the conviction itself as &quot;crimes against humanity.&quot;
::: Given that, it would be helpful for others to take a closer look at the article more broadly to determine whether additional issues are present and whether this is a matter for correction or something more substantial.
::: @Lofi Gurl, given your earlier review comments, your perspective would be helpful.
::: I also have concerns about whether some of the framing—particularly in [[#Headline|the discussion below]]—may be introducing characterization not clearly supported by sources.[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 21:35, 6 April 2026 (UTC)

== Headline ==

As [[#More headline problems|previously noted by both]] @[[User:Metropolitan90|Metropolitan90]] and myself, the headline is simply too vague if it does not note the specific sort of defendants convicted by the Supreme Court and as also [[#c-Justthefacts-20260330203400-Metropolitan90-20260330025700|previously noted by myself]], the title should note that Supreme Court convicted Christians, because there are four defendants, of whom two are individuals and of whom only one is politician and the other is a bishop, and the other two defendants are institutions, and the only thing that they have in common is that they are all Christian. [[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 20:41, 6 April 2026 (UTC)
: If reputable, independent sources explicitly characterize the defendants in that way, we can reflect that with proper attribution. Otherwise, grouping them under a shared identity constitutes editorial analysis, which is not appropriate under [[WN:NPOV]]. The headline should follow how the conviction is described in sources, not introduce a characterization that is not clearly supported.[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 21:12, 6 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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I questioned the use of the term &quot;crimes against humanity&quot; in the headline and lead paragraph based on the following:

:I would note that one of the cited sources, [https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/mar/26/finnish-mp-paivi-rasanen-convicted-homosexuality-developmental-disorder this article from The Guardian], begins with the sentence, &quot;A Finnish member of parliament has been found guilty by the country’s supreme court of inciting hatred after claiming that homosexuality was a 'developmental disorder', in a conviction that prompted criticism from far-right government ministers.&quot; That source doesn't even mention the term &quot;crimes against humanity&quot; at all. Another cited article from [https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/paivi-rasanen-homosexuality-supreme-court-finland-b2946208.html The Independent] doesn't mention &quot;crimes against humanity&quot;, either. I am also concerned that the use of the term &quot;{{w|crimes against humanity}}&quot; may be considered misleading as to the nature of the charges involved notwithstanding how the term is used in the Finnish Criminal Code which few English Wikinews readers may be familiar with.
[[User:Metropolitan90|Metropolitan90]] ([[User talk:Metropolitan90|talk]]) 01:16, 28 March 2026 (UTC)

:Hello, Metropolitan90! [[User_talk:Metropolitan90#c-Justthefacts-20260328005600-Regarding your move of my article|As I also noted in a message to you on your user talk page]], the actual charge, the actual crime, and the actual conviction all fall under the section of the {{w|Criminal Code of Finland}} that concerns {{w|crimes against humanity}}. Moreover, there is a particular focus from several sources on the fact that Räsänen and Pohjola were convicted under the section of the Criminal Code of Finland that concerns crimes against humanity. If there are any ambiguities at all, all will be resolved when readers read the article itself. [[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 01:37, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::Two of the cited sources ([https://www.christiantoday.com/news/landmark-ruling-expected-in-finnish-politician-s-bible-tweet-case Christian Today], [https://adfinternational.org/news/breaking-landmark-ruling-expected-in-finnish-bible-tweet-case-tomorrow ADF International]) both say that Rasanen was convicted under a section titled “war crimes and crimes against humanity”, but I hope we're not going to change the headline to say that Rasanen and Pohjola were convicted of war crimes, too. --[[User:Metropolitan90|Metropolitan90]] ([[User talk:Metropolitan90|talk]]) 01:57, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::The section specifically concerns crimes against  humanity and courts determine the severity of the crimes against humanity that were committed, which can range from simply dehumanising a minority to genocide and war crimes. The section of the criminal code of Finland is based on the expertise and scholarship of experts and scholars of crimes against humanity who hold that crimes against humanity begin relatively simple in the form of simply dehumanising minorities and continue escalating until eventually genocide and war crimes. This landmark ruling is precisely regarded as such because it considers that even the most simplest form, dehumanising a minority, does indeed constitute a crime against humanity in and of itself. --[[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 02:04, 28 March 2026 (UTC)

==Luther Foundation==
Where does it say that the Luther Foundation was convicted, too? I just checked all of the cited sources and I couldn't find where any of them said that the Luther Foundation was also convicted. In fact, I only saw the phrase &quot;Luther Foundation&quot; in two of the articles ([https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/mar/26/finnish-mp-paivi-rasanen-convicted-homosexuality-developmental-disorder The Guardian] and [https://www.christianitytoday.com/2026/03/finnish-parlimentarian-paivi-rasanen-christian-hate-speech/ Christianity Today]). --[[User:Metropolitan90|Metropolitan90]] ([[User talk:Metropolitan90|talk]]) 15:03, 28 March 2026 (UTC)

:Resolved. [[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 18:01, 28 March 2026 (UTC)

== Minor revision requested ==

@[[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] The article's lead section is required to state when the focal point event took place (calendar day, day of the week, ect.). Can you add that in real quick? I would add it myself but I intend to review this article. Thanks. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 23:31, 28 March 2026 (UTC)

:March 26, 2026 Alliance Defending Freedom International
:@[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 00:35, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::Claude AI helped me. Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 00:35, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Can you add to the article that the ruling happened on Thursday so I don't have to? [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 00:48, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::Thank you @[[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]]. [[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 18:03, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

== Might want to read this ==

The '''headline''' you referenced is a somewhat sensationalized framing of the case, but here's what actually happened: In a narrow 3–2 decision, the Finnish Supreme Court found parliamentarian Päivi Räsänen guilty of &quot;hate speech&quot; related to the expression of her beliefs on marriage and sexual ethics in a 2004 church pamphlet. Alliance Defending Freedom International

@[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 00:37, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

:https://claude.ai/chat/aa894899-c1f6-4236-964a-f90a3f25a23b Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 00:44, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::What is this? [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 00:47, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::The '''headline''' you referenced is a somewhat sensationalized framing of the case, but here's what actually happened: In a narrow 3–2 decision, the Finnish Supreme Court found parliamentarian Päivi Räsänen guilty of &quot;hate speech&quot; related to the expression of her beliefs on marriage and sexual ethics in a 2004 church pamphlet.I asked Claude and this is what was said about the headline.
:::The '''headline''' you referenced is a somewhat sensationalized framing of the case, but here's what actually happened: In a narrow 3–2 decision, the Finnish Supreme Court found parliamentarian Päivi Räsänen guilty of &quot;hate speech&quot; related to the expression of her beliefs on marriage and sexual ethics in a 2004 church pamphlet.
:::@[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]], thanks. Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 00:52, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:The actual charge, actual crime, and actual conviction are all under the section of the {{w|Criminal Code of Finland}} that concerns {{w|crimes against humanity}}. Any {{w|Artificial intelligence}}, {{w|chatbot}}, {{w|generative AI}}, {{w|large language model}} can be incorrect about the facts, which is why it is necessary to manually verify. Thank for your involvement nonetheless, @[[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]]. [[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 18:02, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

== More headline problems ==

The headline now says, &quot;Supreme Court of Finland makes crimes against the humanity convictions in landmark ruling&quot;. This doesn't sound like idiomatic English. The commonly used phrase is &quot;crimes against humanity&quot;, not &quot;crimes against the humanity&quot;, at least in this context (note that it no longer says &quot;crimes against the humanity of gays and lesbians&quot;). Also, the phrase that a court &quot;makes [name of crime] convictions&quot; is awkward. I wouldn't write that a court &quot;makes murder convictions&quot;, &quot;makes kidnapping convictions&quot;, etc.; I would write that a court &quot;convicts [someone] of murder&quot;, &quot;convicts [someone] of kidnapping&quot;, etc. Or in this case, the Supreme Court of Finland convicts [the specified defendants] of crimes against humanity, although several versions of the headline has gone back and forth as to whether to refer to them by name, as politicians, or as Christians. -- [[User:Metropolitan90|Metropolitan90]] ([[User talk:Metropolitan90|talk]]) 02:57, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

:I agree that it is too vague to simply say that the Supreme Court of Finland made convictions. It should say against Christians, rather than by name or politicians, because there are four defendants, of whom two are individuals and of whom only one is politician and the other is a bishop, and the other two defendants are institutions, and the only thing that they have in common is that they are all Christian. [[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 20:34, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

== Way too many sources  ==

I'm sorry but its just going to take me way too long to review this given that there are like ten sources used in the article and I don't even know if all of them are required to verify the info, I am very overwhelmed at this point, other editors have been moaning and bitching about the way I review articles, and the WMF is now officially closing Wikinews next month so there's no point in finishing this anyway. You can try and see if someone else can review this, but given the way things have been going here the last six months I would not bank on it, man. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 12:41, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

:I used a significant amount of sources just to be sure, because this is my very first ever Wikinews article! I really appreciate your edits and your work! Could you try and see this through to the end? I really put in a lot of work into this article and would really like to see it published! [[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 22:51, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::@[[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]], come join my news wiki. Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 22:52, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::https://newswikien.fandom.com/wiki/NewsWikiEN_Wiki Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 22:52, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::Yes, I will try. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 00:02, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

== Review of revision 5003204 [Not ready] ==

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== Note to reviewer(s) ==

Hello,

I edited the text to remove one sentence that was vague and created bias ( is consistently ranked at or near the top of various indices of freedom and democracy, and is therefore broadly considered to be a model liberal democracy.) this sentence may be re-added if details is included.

I re-ordered for inverted pyramid

I re-worded for past tense

I added clarifications where possible to avoid bias and make the article more neutral

and I submitted it for review. Hope this is helpful. Newsworthiness is an issue and I hope it can be passed with exception as articles were not published for a while.

Please also note I posted a section [https://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikinews:Water_cooler/proposals#Proposal_to_cease_publishing_after_around_April_14 here]. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 08:16, 5 April 2026 (UTC)

== Review of revision 5005122 [Not ready] ==

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== Review of revision 5005210 [Passed] ==

{{Peer_reviewed
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| newsworthy = exception
| verifiable = pass
| npov = pass
| style = pass
| reviewer = Gryllida
| comments = News is over a week old but I am publishing. The headline could be better but there is so much controversy about how to put it properly that I am content with the current revision.

Overall as a piece of feedback, it is necessary to be more factual and as much as possible insert facts rather than qualitative characterizations. I believe this has substantially improved in the last few days as the article has been revised. Thank you.

I have read the talk page and I believe the concerns there have been satisfactorily addressed in the recent edits and in the resulting current revision.

Copyright check passed flagging only the quote(s) included in the text.

I am recommending to add a sentence about expected consequence (fine, jail time) or if it is unknown then, when is this expected to be determined. If you could please make this change within 24 hours, then it could be sighted and be included in the report.
| time = 01:33, April 6, 2026 (UTC)
}}

-- [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 01:33, 6 April 2026 (UTC)
: I find the publication of this article problematic. I agree with @[[User:Metropolitan90|Metropolitan90]] above regarding the headline as well as our use of the term 'crimes against humanity.'&lt;br&gt; There is not adequate, independent support to state that anyone has been found guilty &quot;of crimes against the humanity of gays and lesbians.&quot; The available reporting does not support that characterization.&lt;br&gt; Reuters stated the conviction was for ''incitement'':&lt;blockquote&gt;The court found Paivi Rasanen, a medical doctor and MP for the small Christian Democratic party since 1995, guilty of incitement against a group by claiming in ​a social media post in 2019 and on her website in 2020 ​that it was scientifically proven that homosexuality was a developmental disorder.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Machine translation of the [https://korkeinoikeus.fi/fi/index/ennakkopaatokset/kko202627.html Supreme Court's release] states the following:&lt;blockquote&gt;A is charged with incitement against a group of people between November 4, 2019 and January 24, 2022 (count 1), for which he is sentenced to a 20-day fine.&lt;br&gt; B is charged with incitement against a group of people between November 4, 2019 and January 24, 2022 (count 2), for which he is sentenced to a 20-day fine.&lt;br&gt; The X Foundation is sentenced to a corporate fine of 5,000 euros.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Both the reporting and the court’s own release describe the offense as incitement against a group. I do not see support for describing the conviction as 'crimes against humanity,' and that appears to be a mischaracterization of the ruling.&lt;br&gt; While one listed source uses that phrasing, it originates from Christian Institute. That phrasing appears in the headline, while the body of the article instead states: ''&quot;This offence is listed under a chapter of criminal code entitled “war crimes and crimes against humanity”.'' This reflects a description of the structure of the criminal code rather than the charge or conviction itself, and does not support the wording used in the article.&lt;br&gt; Similarly, Christian Institute is a perspective-driven publication and does not provide the level of independent, objective reporting needed to support such a claim.&lt;br&gt; Given that higher-quality, independent sources consistently describe the offense as incitement, I do not see a basis for retaining the current wording.&lt;br&gt; @[[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]], as the publishing reviewer, what steps will be taken to correct this?[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 11:57, 6 April 2026 (UTC)
::Do you believe a retraction is imminent? [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 16:22, 6 April 2026 (UTC)
::: I have not conducted a full review of the article. My concerns are currently limited to the use of &quot;crimes against humanity.&quot;
::: I have reviewed the Supreme Court’s release, which describes the conviction as incitement against a group. That characterization is consistent with independent reporting and does not appear to support describing the conviction itself as &quot;crimes against humanity.&quot;
::: Given that, it would be helpful for others to take a closer look at the article more broadly to determine whether additional issues are present and whether this is a matter for correction or something more substantial.
::: @Lofi Gurl, given your earlier review comments, your perspective would be helpful.
::: I also have concerns about whether some of the framing—particularly in [[#Headline|the discussion below]]—may be introducing characterization not clearly supported by sources.[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 21:35, 6 April 2026 (UTC)
::::Hi, I have been arguing against framing this as &quot;convicting Christians of crimes against the humanity of gays&quot; since the beginning, where I evoked [[Wikinews:NPOV]]. This framing is not necessary or essential for the article, I don't understand why this is is being brought up again. Imagine if the defendants in question were Jews or Muslims and we ran with that same headline. How do you think that would go? [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 21:43, 6 April 2026 (UTC)

== Headline ==

As [[#More headline problems|previously noted by both]] @[[User:Metropolitan90|Metropolitan90]] and myself, the headline is simply too vague if it does not note the specific sort of defendants convicted by the Supreme Court and as also [[#c-Justthefacts-20260330203400-Metropolitan90-20260330025700|previously noted by myself]], the title should note that Supreme Court convicted Christians, because there are four defendants, of whom two are individuals and of whom only one is politician and the other is a bishop, and the other two defendants are institutions, and the only thing that they have in common is that they are all Christian. [[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 20:41, 6 April 2026 (UTC)
: If reputable, independent sources explicitly characterize the defendants in that way, we can reflect that with proper attribution. Otherwise, grouping them under a shared identity constitutes editorial analysis, which is not appropriate under [[WN:NPOV]]. The headline should follow how the conviction is described in sources, not introduce a characterization that is not clearly supported.[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 21:12, 6 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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      <text bytes="19437" sha1="ss3befa0cl7yvtq483rbdnh3vmhnfvn" xml:space="preserve">== Headline question ==

I questioned the use of the term &quot;crimes against humanity&quot; in the headline and lead paragraph based on the following:

:I would note that one of the cited sources, [https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/mar/26/finnish-mp-paivi-rasanen-convicted-homosexuality-developmental-disorder this article from The Guardian], begins with the sentence, &quot;A Finnish member of parliament has been found guilty by the country’s supreme court of inciting hatred after claiming that homosexuality was a 'developmental disorder', in a conviction that prompted criticism from far-right government ministers.&quot; That source doesn't even mention the term &quot;crimes against humanity&quot; at all. Another cited article from [https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/paivi-rasanen-homosexuality-supreme-court-finland-b2946208.html The Independent] doesn't mention &quot;crimes against humanity&quot;, either. I am also concerned that the use of the term &quot;{{w|crimes against humanity}}&quot; may be considered misleading as to the nature of the charges involved notwithstanding how the term is used in the Finnish Criminal Code which few English Wikinews readers may be familiar with.
[[User:Metropolitan90|Metropolitan90]] ([[User talk:Metropolitan90|talk]]) 01:16, 28 March 2026 (UTC)

:Hello, Metropolitan90! [[User_talk:Metropolitan90#c-Justthefacts-20260328005600-Regarding your move of my article|As I also noted in a message to you on your user talk page]], the actual charge, the actual crime, and the actual conviction all fall under the section of the {{w|Criminal Code of Finland}} that concerns {{w|crimes against humanity}}. Moreover, there is a particular focus from several sources on the fact that Räsänen and Pohjola were convicted under the section of the Criminal Code of Finland that concerns crimes against humanity. If there are any ambiguities at all, all will be resolved when readers read the article itself. [[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 01:37, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::Two of the cited sources ([https://www.christiantoday.com/news/landmark-ruling-expected-in-finnish-politician-s-bible-tweet-case Christian Today], [https://adfinternational.org/news/breaking-landmark-ruling-expected-in-finnish-bible-tweet-case-tomorrow ADF International]) both say that Rasanen was convicted under a section titled “war crimes and crimes against humanity”, but I hope we're not going to change the headline to say that Rasanen and Pohjola were convicted of war crimes, too. --[[User:Metropolitan90|Metropolitan90]] ([[User talk:Metropolitan90|talk]]) 01:57, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::The section specifically concerns crimes against  humanity and courts determine the severity of the crimes against humanity that were committed, which can range from simply dehumanising a minority to genocide and war crimes. The section of the criminal code of Finland is based on the expertise and scholarship of experts and scholars of crimes against humanity who hold that crimes against humanity begin relatively simple in the form of simply dehumanising minorities and continue escalating until eventually genocide and war crimes. This landmark ruling is precisely regarded as such because it considers that even the most simplest form, dehumanising a minority, does indeed constitute a crime against humanity in and of itself. --[[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 02:04, 28 March 2026 (UTC)

==Luther Foundation==
Where does it say that the Luther Foundation was convicted, too? I just checked all of the cited sources and I couldn't find where any of them said that the Luther Foundation was also convicted. In fact, I only saw the phrase &quot;Luther Foundation&quot; in two of the articles ([https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/mar/26/finnish-mp-paivi-rasanen-convicted-homosexuality-developmental-disorder The Guardian] and [https://www.christianitytoday.com/2026/03/finnish-parlimentarian-paivi-rasanen-christian-hate-speech/ Christianity Today]). --[[User:Metropolitan90|Metropolitan90]] ([[User talk:Metropolitan90|talk]]) 15:03, 28 March 2026 (UTC)

:Resolved. [[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 18:01, 28 March 2026 (UTC)

== Minor revision requested ==

@[[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] The article's lead section is required to state when the focal point event took place (calendar day, day of the week, ect.). Can you add that in real quick? I would add it myself but I intend to review this article. Thanks. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 23:31, 28 March 2026 (UTC)

:March 26, 2026 Alliance Defending Freedom International
:@[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 00:35, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::Claude AI helped me. Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 00:35, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Can you add to the article that the ruling happened on Thursday so I don't have to? [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 00:48, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::Thank you @[[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]]. [[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 18:03, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

== Might want to read this ==

The '''headline''' you referenced is a somewhat sensationalized framing of the case, but here's what actually happened: In a narrow 3–2 decision, the Finnish Supreme Court found parliamentarian Päivi Räsänen guilty of &quot;hate speech&quot; related to the expression of her beliefs on marriage and sexual ethics in a 2004 church pamphlet. Alliance Defending Freedom International

@[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 00:37, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

:https://claude.ai/chat/aa894899-c1f6-4236-964a-f90a3f25a23b Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 00:44, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::What is this? [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 00:47, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::The '''headline''' you referenced is a somewhat sensationalized framing of the case, but here's what actually happened: In a narrow 3–2 decision, the Finnish Supreme Court found parliamentarian Päivi Räsänen guilty of &quot;hate speech&quot; related to the expression of her beliefs on marriage and sexual ethics in a 2004 church pamphlet.I asked Claude and this is what was said about the headline.
:::The '''headline''' you referenced is a somewhat sensationalized framing of the case, but here's what actually happened: In a narrow 3–2 decision, the Finnish Supreme Court found parliamentarian Päivi Räsänen guilty of &quot;hate speech&quot; related to the expression of her beliefs on marriage and sexual ethics in a 2004 church pamphlet.
:::@[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]], thanks. Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 00:52, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:The actual charge, actual crime, and actual conviction are all under the section of the {{w|Criminal Code of Finland}} that concerns {{w|crimes against humanity}}. Any {{w|Artificial intelligence}}, {{w|chatbot}}, {{w|generative AI}}, {{w|large language model}} can be incorrect about the facts, which is why it is necessary to manually verify. Thank for your involvement nonetheless, @[[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]]. [[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 18:02, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

== More headline problems ==

The headline now says, &quot;Supreme Court of Finland makes crimes against the humanity convictions in landmark ruling&quot;. This doesn't sound like idiomatic English. The commonly used phrase is &quot;crimes against humanity&quot;, not &quot;crimes against the humanity&quot;, at least in this context (note that it no longer says &quot;crimes against the humanity of gays and lesbians&quot;). Also, the phrase that a court &quot;makes [name of crime] convictions&quot; is awkward. I wouldn't write that a court &quot;makes murder convictions&quot;, &quot;makes kidnapping convictions&quot;, etc.; I would write that a court &quot;convicts [someone] of murder&quot;, &quot;convicts [someone] of kidnapping&quot;, etc. Or in this case, the Supreme Court of Finland convicts [the specified defendants] of crimes against humanity, although several versions of the headline has gone back and forth as to whether to refer to them by name, as politicians, or as Christians. -- [[User:Metropolitan90|Metropolitan90]] ([[User talk:Metropolitan90|talk]]) 02:57, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

:I agree that it is too vague to simply say that the Supreme Court of Finland made convictions. It should say against Christians, rather than by name or politicians, because there are four defendants, of whom two are individuals and of whom only one is politician and the other is a bishop, and the other two defendants are institutions, and the only thing that they have in common is that they are all Christian. [[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 20:34, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

== Way too many sources  ==

I'm sorry but its just going to take me way too long to review this given that there are like ten sources used in the article and I don't even know if all of them are required to verify the info, I am very overwhelmed at this point, other editors have been moaning and bitching about the way I review articles, and the WMF is now officially closing Wikinews next month so there's no point in finishing this anyway. You can try and see if someone else can review this, but given the way things have been going here the last six months I would not bank on it, man. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 12:41, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

:I used a significant amount of sources just to be sure, because this is my very first ever Wikinews article! I really appreciate your edits and your work! Could you try and see this through to the end? I really put in a lot of work into this article and would really like to see it published! [[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 22:51, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::@[[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]], come join my news wiki. Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 22:52, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::https://newswikien.fandom.com/wiki/NewsWikiEN_Wiki Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 22:52, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::Yes, I will try. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 00:02, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

== Review of revision 5003204 [Not ready] ==

&lt;!-- Submitted using easy peer review - MediaWiki:Gadget-easyPeerReview.js --&gt; {{peer_reviewed|revid=5003204|copyright=n/a|newsworthy=pass|verifiable=n/a|npov=The author's reversion of my removal reintroduced neutrality errors into the artcile. The language is way to emotional and wordy for a WN article. |style=There were some really wordy parts with severe overlinking that I removed, but my edits were reverted, bringing the article further from publishable state. |reviewer=Lofi Gurl|comments=The project is fucking fried, man. I'm sorry we couldn't get this published. The announcement to close the project has really just gutted us all, and honestly we are in &quot;wind down&quot; mode now. There is nothing I can do. I'm sorry. |time=23:25, 1 April 2026 (UTC)}}

== Note to reviewer(s) ==

Hello,

I edited the text to remove one sentence that was vague and created bias ( is consistently ranked at or near the top of various indices of freedom and democracy, and is therefore broadly considered to be a model liberal democracy.) this sentence may be re-added if details is included.

I re-ordered for inverted pyramid

I re-worded for past tense

I added clarifications where possible to avoid bias and make the article more neutral

and I submitted it for review. Hope this is helpful. Newsworthiness is an issue and I hope it can be passed with exception as articles were not published for a while.

Please also note I posted a section [https://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikinews:Water_cooler/proposals#Proposal_to_cease_publishing_after_around_April_14 here]. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 08:16, 5 April 2026 (UTC)

== Review of revision 5005122 [Not ready] ==

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== Review of revision 5005210 [Passed] ==

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Overall as a piece of feedback, it is necessary to be more factual and as much as possible insert facts rather than qualitative characterizations. I believe this has substantially improved in the last few days as the article has been revised. Thank you.

I have read the talk page and I believe the concerns there have been satisfactorily addressed in the recent edits and in the resulting current revision.

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I am recommending to add a sentence about expected consequence (fine, jail time) or if it is unknown then, when is this expected to be determined. If you could please make this change within 24 hours, then it could be sighted and be included in the report.
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-- [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 01:33, 6 April 2026 (UTC)
: I find the publication of this article problematic. I agree with @[[User:Metropolitan90|Metropolitan90]] above regarding the headline as well as our use of the term 'crimes against humanity.'&lt;br&gt; There is not adequate, independent support to state that anyone has been found guilty &quot;of crimes against the humanity of gays and lesbians.&quot; The available reporting does not support that characterization.&lt;br&gt; Reuters stated the conviction was for ''incitement'':&lt;blockquote&gt;The court found Paivi Rasanen, a medical doctor and MP for the small Christian Democratic party since 1995, guilty of incitement against a group by claiming in ​a social media post in 2019 and on her website in 2020 ​that it was scientifically proven that homosexuality was a developmental disorder.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Machine translation of the [https://korkeinoikeus.fi/fi/index/ennakkopaatokset/kko202627.html Supreme Court's release] states the following:&lt;blockquote&gt;A is charged with incitement against a group of people between November 4, 2019 and January 24, 2022 (count 1), for which he is sentenced to a 20-day fine.&lt;br&gt; B is charged with incitement against a group of people between November 4, 2019 and January 24, 2022 (count 2), for which he is sentenced to a 20-day fine.&lt;br&gt; The X Foundation is sentenced to a corporate fine of 5,000 euros.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Both the reporting and the court’s own release describe the offense as incitement against a group. I do not see support for describing the conviction as 'crimes against humanity,' and that appears to be a mischaracterization of the ruling.&lt;br&gt; While one listed source uses that phrasing, it originates from Christian Institute. That phrasing appears in the headline, while the body of the article instead states: ''&quot;This offence is listed under a chapter of criminal code entitled “war crimes and crimes against humanity”.'' This reflects a description of the structure of the criminal code rather than the charge or conviction itself, and does not support the wording used in the article.&lt;br&gt; Similarly, Christian Institute is a perspective-driven publication and does not provide the level of independent, objective reporting needed to support such a claim.&lt;br&gt; Given that higher-quality, independent sources consistently describe the offense as incitement, I do not see a basis for retaining the current wording.&lt;br&gt; @[[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]], as the publishing reviewer, what steps will be taken to correct this?[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 11:57, 6 April 2026 (UTC)
::Do you believe a retraction is imminent? [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 16:22, 6 April 2026 (UTC)
::: I have not conducted a full review of the article. My concerns are currently limited to the use of &quot;crimes against humanity.&quot;
::: I have reviewed the Supreme Court’s release, which describes the conviction as incitement against a group. That characterization is consistent with independent reporting and does not appear to support describing the conviction itself as &quot;crimes against humanity.&quot;
::: Given that, it would be helpful for others to take a closer look at the article more broadly to determine whether additional issues are present and whether this is a matter for correction or something more substantial.
::: @Lofi Gurl, given your earlier review comments, your perspective would be helpful.
::: I also have concerns about whether some of the framing—particularly in [[#Headline|the discussion below]]—may be introducing characterization not clearly supported by sources.[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 21:35, 6 April 2026 (UTC)
::::Hi, I have been arguing against framing this as &quot;convicting Christians of crimes against the humanity of gays&quot; since the beginning, where I evoked [[Wikinews:NPOV]]. This framing is not necessary or essential for the article, I don't understand why this is is being brought up again. Imagine if the defendants in question were Jews or Muslims and we ran with that same headline. How do you think that would go? [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 21:43, 6 April 2026 (UTC)

== Headline ==

As [[#More headline problems|previously noted by both]] @[[User:Metropolitan90|Metropolitan90]] and myself, the headline is simply too vague if it does not note the specific sort of defendants convicted by the Supreme Court and as also [[#c-Justthefacts-20260330203400-Metropolitan90-20260330025700|previously noted by myself]], the title should note that Supreme Court convicted Christians, because there are four defendants, of whom two are individuals and of whom only one is politician and the other is a bishop, and the other two defendants are institutions, and the only thing that they have in common is that they are all Christian. [[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 20:41, 6 April 2026 (UTC)
: If reputable, independent sources explicitly characterize the defendants in that way, we can reflect that with proper attribution. Otherwise, grouping them under a shared identity constitutes editorial analysis, which is not appropriate under [[WN:NPOV]]. The headline should follow how the conviction is described in sources, not introduce a characterization that is not clearly supported.[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 21:12, 6 April 2026 (UTC)
::From what I can tell, the language in the sources did not describe the defendants that way. They moreso just specifically named their political positions and the organizations they were involved with. Hold my beer. I have an idea. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 21:46, 6 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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I questioned the use of the term &quot;crimes against humanity&quot; in the headline and lead paragraph based on the following:

:I would note that one of the cited sources, [https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/mar/26/finnish-mp-paivi-rasanen-convicted-homosexuality-developmental-disorder this article from The Guardian], begins with the sentence, &quot;A Finnish member of parliament has been found guilty by the country’s supreme court of inciting hatred after claiming that homosexuality was a 'developmental disorder', in a conviction that prompted criticism from far-right government ministers.&quot; That source doesn't even mention the term &quot;crimes against humanity&quot; at all. Another cited article from [https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/paivi-rasanen-homosexuality-supreme-court-finland-b2946208.html The Independent] doesn't mention &quot;crimes against humanity&quot;, either. I am also concerned that the use of the term &quot;{{w|crimes against humanity}}&quot; may be considered misleading as to the nature of the charges involved notwithstanding how the term is used in the Finnish Criminal Code which few English Wikinews readers may be familiar with.
[[User:Metropolitan90|Metropolitan90]] ([[User talk:Metropolitan90|talk]]) 01:16, 28 March 2026 (UTC)

:Hello, Metropolitan90! [[User_talk:Metropolitan90#c-Justthefacts-20260328005600-Regarding your move of my article|As I also noted in a message to you on your user talk page]], the actual charge, the actual crime, and the actual conviction all fall under the section of the {{w|Criminal Code of Finland}} that concerns {{w|crimes against humanity}}. Moreover, there is a particular focus from several sources on the fact that Räsänen and Pohjola were convicted under the section of the Criminal Code of Finland that concerns crimes against humanity. If there are any ambiguities at all, all will be resolved when readers read the article itself. [[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 01:37, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::Two of the cited sources ([https://www.christiantoday.com/news/landmark-ruling-expected-in-finnish-politician-s-bible-tweet-case Christian Today], [https://adfinternational.org/news/breaking-landmark-ruling-expected-in-finnish-bible-tweet-case-tomorrow ADF International]) both say that Rasanen was convicted under a section titled “war crimes and crimes against humanity”, but I hope we're not going to change the headline to say that Rasanen and Pohjola were convicted of war crimes, too. --[[User:Metropolitan90|Metropolitan90]] ([[User talk:Metropolitan90|talk]]) 01:57, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::The section specifically concerns crimes against  humanity and courts determine the severity of the crimes against humanity that were committed, which can range from simply dehumanising a minority to genocide and war crimes. The section of the criminal code of Finland is based on the expertise and scholarship of experts and scholars of crimes against humanity who hold that crimes against humanity begin relatively simple in the form of simply dehumanising minorities and continue escalating until eventually genocide and war crimes. This landmark ruling is precisely regarded as such because it considers that even the most simplest form, dehumanising a minority, does indeed constitute a crime against humanity in and of itself. --[[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 02:04, 28 March 2026 (UTC)

==Luther Foundation==
Where does it say that the Luther Foundation was convicted, too? I just checked all of the cited sources and I couldn't find where any of them said that the Luther Foundation was also convicted. In fact, I only saw the phrase &quot;Luther Foundation&quot; in two of the articles ([https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/mar/26/finnish-mp-paivi-rasanen-convicted-homosexuality-developmental-disorder The Guardian] and [https://www.christianitytoday.com/2026/03/finnish-parlimentarian-paivi-rasanen-christian-hate-speech/ Christianity Today]). --[[User:Metropolitan90|Metropolitan90]] ([[User talk:Metropolitan90|talk]]) 15:03, 28 March 2026 (UTC)

:Resolved. [[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 18:01, 28 March 2026 (UTC)

== Minor revision requested ==

@[[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] The article's lead section is required to state when the focal point event took place (calendar day, day of the week, ect.). Can you add that in real quick? I would add it myself but I intend to review this article. Thanks. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 23:31, 28 March 2026 (UTC)

:March 26, 2026 Alliance Defending Freedom International
:@[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 00:35, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::Claude AI helped me. Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 00:35, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Can you add to the article that the ruling happened on Thursday so I don't have to? [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 00:48, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::Thank you @[[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]]. [[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 18:03, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

== Might want to read this ==

The '''headline''' you referenced is a somewhat sensationalized framing of the case, but here's what actually happened: In a narrow 3–2 decision, the Finnish Supreme Court found parliamentarian Päivi Räsänen guilty of &quot;hate speech&quot; related to the expression of her beliefs on marriage and sexual ethics in a 2004 church pamphlet. Alliance Defending Freedom International

@[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 00:37, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

:https://claude.ai/chat/aa894899-c1f6-4236-964a-f90a3f25a23b Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 00:44, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::What is this? [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 00:47, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::The '''headline''' you referenced is a somewhat sensationalized framing of the case, but here's what actually happened: In a narrow 3–2 decision, the Finnish Supreme Court found parliamentarian Päivi Räsänen guilty of &quot;hate speech&quot; related to the expression of her beliefs on marriage and sexual ethics in a 2004 church pamphlet.I asked Claude and this is what was said about the headline.
:::The '''headline''' you referenced is a somewhat sensationalized framing of the case, but here's what actually happened: In a narrow 3–2 decision, the Finnish Supreme Court found parliamentarian Päivi Räsänen guilty of &quot;hate speech&quot; related to the expression of her beliefs on marriage and sexual ethics in a 2004 church pamphlet.
:::@[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]], thanks. Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 00:52, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:The actual charge, actual crime, and actual conviction are all under the section of the {{w|Criminal Code of Finland}} that concerns {{w|crimes against humanity}}. Any {{w|Artificial intelligence}}, {{w|chatbot}}, {{w|generative AI}}, {{w|large language model}} can be incorrect about the facts, which is why it is necessary to manually verify. Thank for your involvement nonetheless, @[[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]]. [[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 18:02, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

== More headline problems ==

The headline now says, &quot;Supreme Court of Finland makes crimes against the humanity convictions in landmark ruling&quot;. This doesn't sound like idiomatic English. The commonly used phrase is &quot;crimes against humanity&quot;, not &quot;crimes against the humanity&quot;, at least in this context (note that it no longer says &quot;crimes against the humanity of gays and lesbians&quot;). Also, the phrase that a court &quot;makes [name of crime] convictions&quot; is awkward. I wouldn't write that a court &quot;makes murder convictions&quot;, &quot;makes kidnapping convictions&quot;, etc.; I would write that a court &quot;convicts [someone] of murder&quot;, &quot;convicts [someone] of kidnapping&quot;, etc. Or in this case, the Supreme Court of Finland convicts [the specified defendants] of crimes against humanity, although several versions of the headline has gone back and forth as to whether to refer to them by name, as politicians, or as Christians. -- [[User:Metropolitan90|Metropolitan90]] ([[User talk:Metropolitan90|talk]]) 02:57, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

:I agree that it is too vague to simply say that the Supreme Court of Finland made convictions. It should say against Christians, rather than by name or politicians, because there are four defendants, of whom two are individuals and of whom only one is politician and the other is a bishop, and the other two defendants are institutions, and the only thing that they have in common is that they are all Christian. [[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 20:34, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

== Way too many sources  ==

I'm sorry but its just going to take me way too long to review this given that there are like ten sources used in the article and I don't even know if all of them are required to verify the info, I am very overwhelmed at this point, other editors have been moaning and bitching about the way I review articles, and the WMF is now officially closing Wikinews next month so there's no point in finishing this anyway. You can try and see if someone else can review this, but given the way things have been going here the last six months I would not bank on it, man. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 12:41, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

:I used a significant amount of sources just to be sure, because this is my very first ever Wikinews article! I really appreciate your edits and your work! Could you try and see this through to the end? I really put in a lot of work into this article and would really like to see it published! [[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 22:51, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::@[[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]], come join my news wiki. Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 22:52, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::https://newswikien.fandom.com/wiki/NewsWikiEN_Wiki Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 22:52, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::Yes, I will try. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 00:02, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

== Review of revision 5003204 [Not ready] ==

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== Note to reviewer(s) ==

Hello,

I edited the text to remove one sentence that was vague and created bias ( is consistently ranked at or near the top of various indices of freedom and democracy, and is therefore broadly considered to be a model liberal democracy.) this sentence may be re-added if details is included.

I re-ordered for inverted pyramid

I re-worded for past tense

I added clarifications where possible to avoid bias and make the article more neutral

and I submitted it for review. Hope this is helpful. Newsworthiness is an issue and I hope it can be passed with exception as articles were not published for a while.

Please also note I posted a section [https://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikinews:Water_cooler/proposals#Proposal_to_cease_publishing_after_around_April_14 here]. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 08:16, 5 April 2026 (UTC)

== Review of revision 5005122 [Not ready] ==

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== Review of revision 5005210 [Passed] ==

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Overall as a piece of feedback, it is necessary to be more factual and as much as possible insert facts rather than qualitative characterizations. I believe this has substantially improved in the last few days as the article has been revised. Thank you.

I have read the talk page and I believe the concerns there have been satisfactorily addressed in the recent edits and in the resulting current revision.

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I am recommending to add a sentence about expected consequence (fine, jail time) or if it is unknown then, when is this expected to be determined. If you could please make this change within 24 hours, then it could be sighted and be included in the report.
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-- [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 01:33, 6 April 2026 (UTC)
: I find the publication of this article problematic. I agree with @[[User:Metropolitan90|Metropolitan90]] above regarding the headline as well as our use of the term 'crimes against humanity.'&lt;br&gt; There is not adequate, independent support to state that anyone has been found guilty &quot;of crimes against the humanity of gays and lesbians.&quot; The available reporting does not support that characterization.&lt;br&gt; Reuters stated the conviction was for ''incitement'':&lt;blockquote&gt;The court found Paivi Rasanen, a medical doctor and MP for the small Christian Democratic party since 1995, guilty of incitement against a group by claiming in ​a social media post in 2019 and on her website in 2020 ​that it was scientifically proven that homosexuality was a developmental disorder.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Machine translation of the [https://korkeinoikeus.fi/fi/index/ennakkopaatokset/kko202627.html Supreme Court's release] states the following:&lt;blockquote&gt;A is charged with incitement against a group of people between November 4, 2019 and January 24, 2022 (count 1), for which he is sentenced to a 20-day fine.&lt;br&gt; B is charged with incitement against a group of people between November 4, 2019 and January 24, 2022 (count 2), for which he is sentenced to a 20-day fine.&lt;br&gt; The X Foundation is sentenced to a corporate fine of 5,000 euros.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Both the reporting and the court’s own release describe the offense as incitement against a group. I do not see support for describing the conviction as 'crimes against humanity,' and that appears to be a mischaracterization of the ruling.&lt;br&gt; While one listed source uses that phrasing, it originates from Christian Institute. That phrasing appears in the headline, while the body of the article instead states: ''&quot;This offence is listed under a chapter of criminal code entitled “war crimes and crimes against humanity”.'' This reflects a description of the structure of the criminal code rather than the charge or conviction itself, and does not support the wording used in the article.&lt;br&gt; Similarly, Christian Institute is a perspective-driven publication and does not provide the level of independent, objective reporting needed to support such a claim.&lt;br&gt; Given that higher-quality, independent sources consistently describe the offense as incitement, I do not see a basis for retaining the current wording.&lt;br&gt; @[[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]], as the publishing reviewer, what steps will be taken to correct this?[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 11:57, 6 April 2026 (UTC)
::Do you believe a retraction is imminent? [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 16:22, 6 April 2026 (UTC)
::: I have not conducted a full review of the article. My concerns are currently limited to the use of &quot;crimes against humanity.&quot;
::: I have reviewed the Supreme Court’s release, which describes the conviction as incitement against a group. That characterization is consistent with independent reporting and does not appear to support describing the conviction itself as &quot;crimes against humanity.&quot;
::: Given that, it would be helpful for others to take a closer look at the article more broadly to determine whether additional issues are present and whether this is a matter for correction or something more substantial.
::: @Lofi Gurl, given your earlier review comments, your perspective would be helpful.
::: I also have concerns about whether some of the framing—particularly in [[#Headline|the discussion below]]—may be introducing characterization not clearly supported by sources.[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 21:35, 6 April 2026 (UTC)
::::Hi, I have been arguing against framing this as &quot;convicting Christians of crimes against the humanity of gays&quot; since the beginning, where I evoked [[Wikinews:NPOV]]. This framing is not necessary or essential for the article, I don't understand why this is is being brought up again. Imagine if the defendants in question were Jews or Muslims and we ran with that same headline. How do you think that would go? [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 21:43, 6 April 2026 (UTC)

== Headline ==

As [[#More headline problems|previously noted by both]] @[[User:Metropolitan90|Metropolitan90]] and myself, the headline is simply too vague if it does not note the specific sort of defendants convicted by the Supreme Court and as also [[#c-Justthefacts-20260330203400-Metropolitan90-20260330025700|previously noted by myself]], the title should note that Supreme Court convicted Christians, because there are four defendants, of whom two are individuals and of whom only one is politician and the other is a bishop, and the other two defendants are institutions, and the only thing that they have in common is that they are all Christian. [[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 20:41, 6 April 2026 (UTC)
: If reputable, independent sources explicitly characterize the defendants in that way, we can reflect that with proper attribution. Otherwise, grouping them under a shared identity constitutes editorial analysis, which is not appropriate under [[WN:NPOV]]. The headline should follow how the conviction is described in sources, not introduce a characterization that is not clearly supported.[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 21:12, 6 April 2026 (UTC)
::From what I can tell, the language in the sources did not describe the defendants that way. They moreso just specifically named their political positions and the organizations they were involved with. Hold my beer. I have an idea. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 21:46, 6 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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      <text bytes="19437" sha1="ss3befa0cl7yvtq483rbdnh3vmhnfvn" xml:space="preserve">== Headline question ==

I questioned the use of the term &quot;crimes against humanity&quot; in the headline and lead paragraph based on the following:

:I would note that one of the cited sources, [https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/mar/26/finnish-mp-paivi-rasanen-convicted-homosexuality-developmental-disorder this article from The Guardian], begins with the sentence, &quot;A Finnish member of parliament has been found guilty by the country’s supreme court of inciting hatred after claiming that homosexuality was a 'developmental disorder', in a conviction that prompted criticism from far-right government ministers.&quot; That source doesn't even mention the term &quot;crimes against humanity&quot; at all. Another cited article from [https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/paivi-rasanen-homosexuality-supreme-court-finland-b2946208.html The Independent] doesn't mention &quot;crimes against humanity&quot;, either. I am also concerned that the use of the term &quot;{{w|crimes against humanity}}&quot; may be considered misleading as to the nature of the charges involved notwithstanding how the term is used in the Finnish Criminal Code which few English Wikinews readers may be familiar with.
[[User:Metropolitan90|Metropolitan90]] ([[User talk:Metropolitan90|talk]]) 01:16, 28 March 2026 (UTC)

:Hello, Metropolitan90! [[User_talk:Metropolitan90#c-Justthefacts-20260328005600-Regarding your move of my article|As I also noted in a message to you on your user talk page]], the actual charge, the actual crime, and the actual conviction all fall under the section of the {{w|Criminal Code of Finland}} that concerns {{w|crimes against humanity}}. Moreover, there is a particular focus from several sources on the fact that Räsänen and Pohjola were convicted under the section of the Criminal Code of Finland that concerns crimes against humanity. If there are any ambiguities at all, all will be resolved when readers read the article itself. [[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 01:37, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::Two of the cited sources ([https://www.christiantoday.com/news/landmark-ruling-expected-in-finnish-politician-s-bible-tweet-case Christian Today], [https://adfinternational.org/news/breaking-landmark-ruling-expected-in-finnish-bible-tweet-case-tomorrow ADF International]) both say that Rasanen was convicted under a section titled “war crimes and crimes against humanity”, but I hope we're not going to change the headline to say that Rasanen and Pohjola were convicted of war crimes, too. --[[User:Metropolitan90|Metropolitan90]] ([[User talk:Metropolitan90|talk]]) 01:57, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::The section specifically concerns crimes against  humanity and courts determine the severity of the crimes against humanity that were committed, which can range from simply dehumanising a minority to genocide and war crimes. The section of the criminal code of Finland is based on the expertise and scholarship of experts and scholars of crimes against humanity who hold that crimes against humanity begin relatively simple in the form of simply dehumanising minorities and continue escalating until eventually genocide and war crimes. This landmark ruling is precisely regarded as such because it considers that even the most simplest form, dehumanising a minority, does indeed constitute a crime against humanity in and of itself. --[[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 02:04, 28 March 2026 (UTC)

==Luther Foundation==
Where does it say that the Luther Foundation was convicted, too? I just checked all of the cited sources and I couldn't find where any of them said that the Luther Foundation was also convicted. In fact, I only saw the phrase &quot;Luther Foundation&quot; in two of the articles ([https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/mar/26/finnish-mp-paivi-rasanen-convicted-homosexuality-developmental-disorder The Guardian] and [https://www.christianitytoday.com/2026/03/finnish-parlimentarian-paivi-rasanen-christian-hate-speech/ Christianity Today]). --[[User:Metropolitan90|Metropolitan90]] ([[User talk:Metropolitan90|talk]]) 15:03, 28 March 2026 (UTC)

:Resolved. [[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 18:01, 28 March 2026 (UTC)

== Minor revision requested ==

@[[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] The article's lead section is required to state when the focal point event took place (calendar day, day of the week, ect.). Can you add that in real quick? I would add it myself but I intend to review this article. Thanks. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 23:31, 28 March 2026 (UTC)

:March 26, 2026 Alliance Defending Freedom International
:@[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 00:35, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::Claude AI helped me. Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 00:35, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Can you add to the article that the ruling happened on Thursday so I don't have to? [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 00:48, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::Thank you @[[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]]. [[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 18:03, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

== Might want to read this ==

The '''headline''' you referenced is a somewhat sensationalized framing of the case, but here's what actually happened: In a narrow 3–2 decision, the Finnish Supreme Court found parliamentarian Päivi Räsänen guilty of &quot;hate speech&quot; related to the expression of her beliefs on marriage and sexual ethics in a 2004 church pamphlet. Alliance Defending Freedom International

@[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 00:37, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

:https://claude.ai/chat/aa894899-c1f6-4236-964a-f90a3f25a23b Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 00:44, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::What is this? [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 00:47, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::The '''headline''' you referenced is a somewhat sensationalized framing of the case, but here's what actually happened: In a narrow 3–2 decision, the Finnish Supreme Court found parliamentarian Päivi Räsänen guilty of &quot;hate speech&quot; related to the expression of her beliefs on marriage and sexual ethics in a 2004 church pamphlet.I asked Claude and this is what was said about the headline.
:::The '''headline''' you referenced is a somewhat sensationalized framing of the case, but here's what actually happened: In a narrow 3–2 decision, the Finnish Supreme Court found parliamentarian Päivi Räsänen guilty of &quot;hate speech&quot; related to the expression of her beliefs on marriage and sexual ethics in a 2004 church pamphlet.
:::@[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]], thanks. Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 00:52, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:The actual charge, actual crime, and actual conviction are all under the section of the {{w|Criminal Code of Finland}} that concerns {{w|crimes against humanity}}. Any {{w|Artificial intelligence}}, {{w|chatbot}}, {{w|generative AI}}, {{w|large language model}} can be incorrect about the facts, which is why it is necessary to manually verify. Thank for your involvement nonetheless, @[[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]]. [[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 18:02, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

== More headline problems ==

The headline now says, &quot;Supreme Court of Finland makes crimes against the humanity convictions in landmark ruling&quot;. This doesn't sound like idiomatic English. The commonly used phrase is &quot;crimes against humanity&quot;, not &quot;crimes against the humanity&quot;, at least in this context (note that it no longer says &quot;crimes against the humanity of gays and lesbians&quot;). Also, the phrase that a court &quot;makes [name of crime] convictions&quot; is awkward. I wouldn't write that a court &quot;makes murder convictions&quot;, &quot;makes kidnapping convictions&quot;, etc.; I would write that a court &quot;convicts [someone] of murder&quot;, &quot;convicts [someone] of kidnapping&quot;, etc. Or in this case, the Supreme Court of Finland convicts [the specified defendants] of crimes against humanity, although several versions of the headline has gone back and forth as to whether to refer to them by name, as politicians, or as Christians. -- [[User:Metropolitan90|Metropolitan90]] ([[User talk:Metropolitan90|talk]]) 02:57, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

:I agree that it is too vague to simply say that the Supreme Court of Finland made convictions. It should say against Christians, rather than by name or politicians, because there are four defendants, of whom two are individuals and of whom only one is politician and the other is a bishop, and the other two defendants are institutions, and the only thing that they have in common is that they are all Christian. [[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 20:34, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

== Way too many sources  ==

I'm sorry but its just going to take me way too long to review this given that there are like ten sources used in the article and I don't even know if all of them are required to verify the info, I am very overwhelmed at this point, other editors have been moaning and bitching about the way I review articles, and the WMF is now officially closing Wikinews next month so there's no point in finishing this anyway. You can try and see if someone else can review this, but given the way things have been going here the last six months I would not bank on it, man. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 12:41, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

:I used a significant amount of sources just to be sure, because this is my very first ever Wikinews article! I really appreciate your edits and your work! Could you try and see this through to the end? I really put in a lot of work into this article and would really like to see it published! [[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 22:51, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::@[[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]], come join my news wiki. Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 22:52, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::https://newswikien.fandom.com/wiki/NewsWikiEN_Wiki Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 22:52, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::Yes, I will try. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 00:02, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

== Review of revision 5003204 [Not ready] ==

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== Note to reviewer(s) ==

Hello,

I edited the text to remove one sentence that was vague and created bias ( is consistently ranked at or near the top of various indices of freedom and democracy, and is therefore broadly considered to be a model liberal democracy.) this sentence may be re-added if details is included.

I re-ordered for inverted pyramid

I re-worded for past tense

I added clarifications where possible to avoid bias and make the article more neutral

and I submitted it for review. Hope this is helpful. Newsworthiness is an issue and I hope it can be passed with exception as articles were not published for a while.

Please also note I posted a section [https://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikinews:Water_cooler/proposals#Proposal_to_cease_publishing_after_around_April_14 here]. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 08:16, 5 April 2026 (UTC)

== Review of revision 5005122 [Not ready] ==

&lt;!-- Submitted using easy peer review - MediaWiki:Gadget-easyPeerReview.js --&gt; {{peer_reviewed|revid=5005122|copyright=n/a|newsworthy=Stale. [[WN:Gatwicking]] recomended. Can it be done? If this article is saved it could very well be one of the very last Wikinews articles ever, '''ever.'''|verifiable=n/a|npov=n/a|style=n/a|reviewer=Lofi Gurl|comments=|time=23:07, 5 April 2026 (UTC)}}

== Review of revision 5005210 [Passed] ==

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| comments = News is over a week old but I am publishing. The headline could be better but there is so much controversy about how to put it properly that I am content with the current revision.

Overall as a piece of feedback, it is necessary to be more factual and as much as possible insert facts rather than qualitative characterizations. I believe this has substantially improved in the last few days as the article has been revised. Thank you.

I have read the talk page and I believe the concerns there have been satisfactorily addressed in the recent edits and in the resulting current revision.

Copyright check passed flagging only the quote(s) included in the text.

I am recommending to add a sentence about expected consequence (fine, jail time) or if it is unknown then, when is this expected to be determined. If you could please make this change within 24 hours, then it could be sighted and be included in the report.
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-- [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 01:33, 6 April 2026 (UTC)
: I find the publication of this article problematic. I agree with @[[User:Metropolitan90|Metropolitan90]] above regarding the headline as well as our use of the term 'crimes against humanity.'&lt;br&gt; There is not adequate, independent support to state that anyone has been found guilty &quot;of crimes against the humanity of gays and lesbians.&quot; The available reporting does not support that characterization.&lt;br&gt; Reuters stated the conviction was for ''incitement'':&lt;blockquote&gt;The court found Paivi Rasanen, a medical doctor and MP for the small Christian Democratic party since 1995, guilty of incitement against a group by claiming in ​a social media post in 2019 and on her website in 2020 ​that it was scientifically proven that homosexuality was a developmental disorder.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Machine translation of the [https://korkeinoikeus.fi/fi/index/ennakkopaatokset/kko202627.html Supreme Court's release] states the following:&lt;blockquote&gt;A is charged with incitement against a group of people between November 4, 2019 and January 24, 2022 (count 1), for which he is sentenced to a 20-day fine.&lt;br&gt; B is charged with incitement against a group of people between November 4, 2019 and January 24, 2022 (count 2), for which he is sentenced to a 20-day fine.&lt;br&gt; The X Foundation is sentenced to a corporate fine of 5,000 euros.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Both the reporting and the court’s own release describe the offense as incitement against a group. I do not see support for describing the conviction as 'crimes against humanity,' and that appears to be a mischaracterization of the ruling.&lt;br&gt; While one listed source uses that phrasing, it originates from Christian Institute. That phrasing appears in the headline, while the body of the article instead states: ''&quot;This offence is listed under a chapter of criminal code entitled “war crimes and crimes against humanity”.'' This reflects a description of the structure of the criminal code rather than the charge or conviction itself, and does not support the wording used in the article.&lt;br&gt; Similarly, Christian Institute is a perspective-driven publication and does not provide the level of independent, objective reporting needed to support such a claim.&lt;br&gt; Given that higher-quality, independent sources consistently describe the offense as incitement, I do not see a basis for retaining the current wording.&lt;br&gt; @[[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]], as the publishing reviewer, what steps will be taken to correct this?[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 11:57, 6 April 2026 (UTC)
::Do you believe a retraction is imminent? [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 16:22, 6 April 2026 (UTC)
::: I have not conducted a full review of the article. My concerns are currently limited to the use of &quot;crimes against humanity.&quot;
::: I have reviewed the Supreme Court’s release, which describes the conviction as incitement against a group. That characterization is consistent with independent reporting and does not appear to support describing the conviction itself as &quot;crimes against humanity.&quot;
::: Given that, it would be helpful for others to take a closer look at the article more broadly to determine whether additional issues are present and whether this is a matter for correction or something more substantial.
::: @Lofi Gurl, given your earlier review comments, your perspective would be helpful.
::: I also have concerns about whether some of the framing—particularly in [[#Headline|the discussion below]]—may be introducing characterization not clearly supported by sources.[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 21:35, 6 April 2026 (UTC)
::::Hi, I have been arguing against framing this as &quot;convicting Christians of crimes against the humanity of gays&quot; since the beginning, where I evoked [[Wikinews:NPOV]]. This framing is not necessary or essential for the article, I don't understand why this is is being brought up again. Imagine if the defendants in question were Jews or Muslims and we ran with that same headline. How do you think that would go? [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 21:43, 6 April 2026 (UTC)

== Headline ==

As [[#More headline problems|previously noted by both]] @[[User:Metropolitan90|Metropolitan90]] and myself, the headline is simply too vague if it does not note the specific sort of defendants convicted by the Supreme Court and as also [[#c-Justthefacts-20260330203400-Metropolitan90-20260330025700|previously noted by myself]], the title should note that Supreme Court convicted Christians, because there are four defendants, of whom two are individuals and of whom only one is politician and the other is a bishop, and the other two defendants are institutions, and the only thing that they have in common is that they are all Christian. [[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 20:41, 6 April 2026 (UTC)
: If reputable, independent sources explicitly characterize the defendants in that way, we can reflect that with proper attribution. Otherwise, grouping them under a shared identity constitutes editorial analysis, which is not appropriate under [[WN:NPOV]]. The headline should follow how the conviction is described in sources, not introduce a characterization that is not clearly supported.[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 21:12, 6 April 2026 (UTC)
::From what I can tell, the language in the sources did not describe the defendants that way. They moreso just specifically named their political positions and the organizations they were involved with. Hold my beer. I have an idea. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 21:46, 6 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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      <text bytes="19851" sha1="rjv2o2g80cvstg4rgubtolj0428f1o4" xml:space="preserve">== Headline question ==

I questioned the use of the term &quot;crimes against humanity&quot; in the headline and lead paragraph based on the following:

:I would note that one of the cited sources, [https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/mar/26/finnish-mp-paivi-rasanen-convicted-homosexuality-developmental-disorder this article from The Guardian], begins with the sentence, &quot;A Finnish member of parliament has been found guilty by the country’s supreme court of inciting hatred after claiming that homosexuality was a 'developmental disorder', in a conviction that prompted criticism from far-right government ministers.&quot; That source doesn't even mention the term &quot;crimes against humanity&quot; at all. Another cited article from [https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/paivi-rasanen-homosexuality-supreme-court-finland-b2946208.html The Independent] doesn't mention &quot;crimes against humanity&quot;, either. I am also concerned that the use of the term &quot;{{w|crimes against humanity}}&quot; may be considered misleading as to the nature of the charges involved notwithstanding how the term is used in the Finnish Criminal Code which few English Wikinews readers may be familiar with.
[[User:Metropolitan90|Metropolitan90]] ([[User talk:Metropolitan90|talk]]) 01:16, 28 March 2026 (UTC)

:Hello, Metropolitan90! [[User_talk:Metropolitan90#c-Justthefacts-20260328005600-Regarding your move of my article|As I also noted in a message to you on your user talk page]], the actual charge, the actual crime, and the actual conviction all fall under the section of the {{w|Criminal Code of Finland}} that concerns {{w|crimes against humanity}}. Moreover, there is a particular focus from several sources on the fact that Räsänen and Pohjola were convicted under the section of the Criminal Code of Finland that concerns crimes against humanity. If there are any ambiguities at all, all will be resolved when readers read the article itself. [[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 01:37, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::Two of the cited sources ([https://www.christiantoday.com/news/landmark-ruling-expected-in-finnish-politician-s-bible-tweet-case Christian Today], [https://adfinternational.org/news/breaking-landmark-ruling-expected-in-finnish-bible-tweet-case-tomorrow ADF International]) both say that Rasanen was convicted under a section titled “war crimes and crimes against humanity”, but I hope we're not going to change the headline to say that Rasanen and Pohjola were convicted of war crimes, too. --[[User:Metropolitan90|Metropolitan90]] ([[User talk:Metropolitan90|talk]]) 01:57, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::The section specifically concerns crimes against  humanity and courts determine the severity of the crimes against humanity that were committed, which can range from simply dehumanising a minority to genocide and war crimes. The section of the criminal code of Finland is based on the expertise and scholarship of experts and scholars of crimes against humanity who hold that crimes against humanity begin relatively simple in the form of simply dehumanising minorities and continue escalating until eventually genocide and war crimes. This landmark ruling is precisely regarded as such because it considers that even the most simplest form, dehumanising a minority, does indeed constitute a crime against humanity in and of itself. --[[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 02:04, 28 March 2026 (UTC)

==Luther Foundation==
Where does it say that the Luther Foundation was convicted, too? I just checked all of the cited sources and I couldn't find where any of them said that the Luther Foundation was also convicted. In fact, I only saw the phrase &quot;Luther Foundation&quot; in two of the articles ([https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/mar/26/finnish-mp-paivi-rasanen-convicted-homosexuality-developmental-disorder The Guardian] and [https://www.christianitytoday.com/2026/03/finnish-parlimentarian-paivi-rasanen-christian-hate-speech/ Christianity Today]). --[[User:Metropolitan90|Metropolitan90]] ([[User talk:Metropolitan90|talk]]) 15:03, 28 March 2026 (UTC)

:Resolved. [[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 18:01, 28 March 2026 (UTC)

== Minor revision requested ==

@[[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] The article's lead section is required to state when the focal point event took place (calendar day, day of the week, ect.). Can you add that in real quick? I would add it myself but I intend to review this article. Thanks. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 23:31, 28 March 2026 (UTC)

:March 26, 2026 Alliance Defending Freedom International
:@[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 00:35, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::Claude AI helped me. Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 00:35, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Can you add to the article that the ruling happened on Thursday so I don't have to? [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 00:48, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::Thank you @[[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]]. [[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 18:03, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

== Might want to read this ==

The '''headline''' you referenced is a somewhat sensationalized framing of the case, but here's what actually happened: In a narrow 3–2 decision, the Finnish Supreme Court found parliamentarian Päivi Räsänen guilty of &quot;hate speech&quot; related to the expression of her beliefs on marriage and sexual ethics in a 2004 church pamphlet. Alliance Defending Freedom International

@[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 00:37, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

:https://claude.ai/chat/aa894899-c1f6-4236-964a-f90a3f25a23b Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 00:44, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::What is this? [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 00:47, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::The '''headline''' you referenced is a somewhat sensationalized framing of the case, but here's what actually happened: In a narrow 3–2 decision, the Finnish Supreme Court found parliamentarian Päivi Räsänen guilty of &quot;hate speech&quot; related to the expression of her beliefs on marriage and sexual ethics in a 2004 church pamphlet.I asked Claude and this is what was said about the headline.
:::The '''headline''' you referenced is a somewhat sensationalized framing of the case, but here's what actually happened: In a narrow 3–2 decision, the Finnish Supreme Court found parliamentarian Päivi Räsänen guilty of &quot;hate speech&quot; related to the expression of her beliefs on marriage and sexual ethics in a 2004 church pamphlet.
:::@[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]], thanks. Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 00:52, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:The actual charge, actual crime, and actual conviction are all under the section of the {{w|Criminal Code of Finland}} that concerns {{w|crimes against humanity}}. Any {{w|Artificial intelligence}}, {{w|chatbot}}, {{w|generative AI}}, {{w|large language model}} can be incorrect about the facts, which is why it is necessary to manually verify. Thank for your involvement nonetheless, @[[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]]. [[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 18:02, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

== More headline problems ==

The headline now says, &quot;Supreme Court of Finland makes crimes against the humanity convictions in landmark ruling&quot;. This doesn't sound like idiomatic English. The commonly used phrase is &quot;crimes against humanity&quot;, not &quot;crimes against the humanity&quot;, at least in this context (note that it no longer says &quot;crimes against the humanity of gays and lesbians&quot;). Also, the phrase that a court &quot;makes [name of crime] convictions&quot; is awkward. I wouldn't write that a court &quot;makes murder convictions&quot;, &quot;makes kidnapping convictions&quot;, etc.; I would write that a court &quot;convicts [someone] of murder&quot;, &quot;convicts [someone] of kidnapping&quot;, etc. Or in this case, the Supreme Court of Finland convicts [the specified defendants] of crimes against humanity, although several versions of the headline has gone back and forth as to whether to refer to them by name, as politicians, or as Christians. -- [[User:Metropolitan90|Metropolitan90]] ([[User talk:Metropolitan90|talk]]) 02:57, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

:I agree that it is too vague to simply say that the Supreme Court of Finland made convictions. It should say against Christians, rather than by name or politicians, because there are four defendants, of whom two are individuals and of whom only one is politician and the other is a bishop, and the other two defendants are institutions, and the only thing that they have in common is that they are all Christian. [[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 20:34, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

== Way too many sources  ==

I'm sorry but its just going to take me way too long to review this given that there are like ten sources used in the article and I don't even know if all of them are required to verify the info, I am very overwhelmed at this point, other editors have been moaning and bitching about the way I review articles, and the WMF is now officially closing Wikinews next month so there's no point in finishing this anyway. You can try and see if someone else can review this, but given the way things have been going here the last six months I would not bank on it, man. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 12:41, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

:I used a significant amount of sources just to be sure, because this is my very first ever Wikinews article! I really appreciate your edits and your work! Could you try and see this through to the end? I really put in a lot of work into this article and would really like to see it published! [[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 22:51, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::@[[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]], come join my news wiki. Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 22:52, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::https://newswikien.fandom.com/wiki/NewsWikiEN_Wiki Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 22:52, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::Yes, I will try. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 00:02, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

== Review of revision 5003204 [Not ready] ==

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== Note to reviewer(s) ==

Hello,

I edited the text to remove one sentence that was vague and created bias ( is consistently ranked at or near the top of various indices of freedom and democracy, and is therefore broadly considered to be a model liberal democracy.) this sentence may be re-added if details is included.

I re-ordered for inverted pyramid

I re-worded for past tense

I added clarifications where possible to avoid bias and make the article more neutral

and I submitted it for review. Hope this is helpful. Newsworthiness is an issue and I hope it can be passed with exception as articles were not published for a while.

Please also note I posted a section [https://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikinews:Water_cooler/proposals#Proposal_to_cease_publishing_after_around_April_14 here]. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 08:16, 5 April 2026 (UTC)

== Review of revision 5005122 [Not ready] ==

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== Review of revision 5005210 [Passed] ==

{{Peer_reviewed
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| style = pass
| reviewer = Gryllida
| comments = News is over a week old but I am publishing. The headline could be better but there is so much controversy about how to put it properly that I am content with the current revision.

Overall as a piece of feedback, it is necessary to be more factual and as much as possible insert facts rather than qualitative characterizations. I believe this has substantially improved in the last few days as the article has been revised. Thank you.

I have read the talk page and I believe the concerns there have been satisfactorily addressed in the recent edits and in the resulting current revision.

Copyright check passed flagging only the quote(s) included in the text.

I am recommending to add a sentence about expected consequence (fine, jail time) or if it is unknown then, when is this expected to be determined. If you could please make this change within 24 hours, then it could be sighted and be included in the report.
| time = 01:33, April 6, 2026 (UTC)
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-- [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 01:33, 6 April 2026 (UTC)
: I find the publication of this article problematic. I agree with @[[User:Metropolitan90|Metropolitan90]] above regarding the headline as well as our use of the term 'crimes against humanity.'&lt;br&gt; There is not adequate, independent support to state that anyone has been found guilty &quot;of crimes against the humanity of gays and lesbians.&quot; The available reporting does not support that characterization.&lt;br&gt; Reuters stated the conviction was for ''incitement'':&lt;blockquote&gt;The court found Paivi Rasanen, a medical doctor and MP for the small Christian Democratic party since 1995, guilty of incitement against a group by claiming in ​a social media post in 2019 and on her website in 2020 ​that it was scientifically proven that homosexuality was a developmental disorder.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Machine translation of the [https://korkeinoikeus.fi/fi/index/ennakkopaatokset/kko202627.html Supreme Court's release] states the following:&lt;blockquote&gt;A is charged with incitement against a group of people between November 4, 2019 and January 24, 2022 (count 1), for which he is sentenced to a 20-day fine.&lt;br&gt; B is charged with incitement against a group of people between November 4, 2019 and January 24, 2022 (count 2), for which he is sentenced to a 20-day fine.&lt;br&gt; The X Foundation is sentenced to a corporate fine of 5,000 euros.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Both the reporting and the court’s own release describe the offense as incitement against a group. I do not see support for describing the conviction as 'crimes against humanity,' and that appears to be a mischaracterization of the ruling.&lt;br&gt; While one listed source uses that phrasing, it originates from Christian Institute. That phrasing appears in the headline, while the body of the article instead states: ''&quot;This offence is listed under a chapter of criminal code entitled “war crimes and crimes against humanity”.'' This reflects a description of the structure of the criminal code rather than the charge or conviction itself, and does not support the wording used in the article.&lt;br&gt; Similarly, Christian Institute is a perspective-driven publication and does not provide the level of independent, objective reporting needed to support such a claim.&lt;br&gt; Given that higher-quality, independent sources consistently describe the offense as incitement, I do not see a basis for retaining the current wording.&lt;br&gt; @[[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]], as the publishing reviewer, what steps will be taken to correct this?[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 11:57, 6 April 2026 (UTC)
::Do you believe a retraction is imminent? [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 16:22, 6 April 2026 (UTC)
::: I have not conducted a full review of the article. My concerns are currently limited to the use of &quot;crimes against humanity.&quot;
::: I have reviewed the Supreme Court’s release, which describes the conviction as incitement against a group. That characterization is consistent with independent reporting and does not appear to support describing the conviction itself as &quot;crimes against humanity.&quot;
::: Given that, it would be helpful for others to take a closer look at the article more broadly to determine whether additional issues are present and whether this is a matter for correction or something more substantial.
::: @Lofi Gurl, given your earlier review comments, your perspective would be helpful.
::: I also have concerns about whether some of the framing—particularly in [[#Headline|the discussion below]]—may be introducing characterization not clearly supported by sources.[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 21:35, 6 April 2026 (UTC)
::::Hi, I have been arguing against framing this as &quot;convicting Christians of crimes against the humanity of gays&quot; since the beginning, where I evoked [[Wikinews:NPOV]]. This framing is not necessary or essential for the article, I don't understand why this is is being brought up again. Imagine if the defendants in question were Jews or Muslims and we ran with that same headline. How do you think that would go? [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 21:43, 6 April 2026 (UTC)

== Headline ==

As [[#More headline problems|previously noted by both]] @[[User:Metropolitan90|Metropolitan90]] and myself, the headline is simply too vague if it does not note the specific sort of defendants convicted by the Supreme Court and as also [[#c-Justthefacts-20260330203400-Metropolitan90-20260330025700|previously noted by myself]], the title should note that Supreme Court convicted Christians, because there are four defendants, of whom two are individuals and of whom only one is politician and the other is a bishop, and the other two defendants are institutions, and the only thing that they have in common is that they are all Christian. [[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 20:41, 6 April 2026 (UTC)
: If reputable, independent sources explicitly characterize the defendants in that way, we can reflect that with proper attribution. Otherwise, grouping them under a shared identity constitutes editorial analysis, which is not appropriate under [[WN:NPOV]]. The headline should follow how the conviction is described in sources, not introduce a characterization that is not clearly supported.[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 21:12, 6 April 2026 (UTC)
::From what I can tell, the language in the sources did not describe the defendants that way. They moreso just specifically named their political positions and the organizations they were involved with. Hold my beer. I have an idea. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 21:46, 6 April 2026 (UTC)
:::Hi, I changed the headline to reflect what the sources said the defendents were actually convicted of. @[[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] please do not move the page back to characterize the defendents as simply &quot;Christians&quot;, because that framing creates a [[Wikinews:NPOV]] problems that are not in line with our policies. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 21:51, 6 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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      <text bytes="21586" sha1="rp7wbi5w5r6a49c2q62pwpwuxzciolu" xml:space="preserve">== Headline question ==

I questioned the use of the term &quot;crimes against humanity&quot; in the headline and lead paragraph based on the following:

:I would note that one of the cited sources, [https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/mar/26/finnish-mp-paivi-rasanen-convicted-homosexuality-developmental-disorder this article from The Guardian], begins with the sentence, &quot;A Finnish member of parliament has been found guilty by the country’s supreme court of inciting hatred after claiming that homosexuality was a 'developmental disorder', in a conviction that prompted criticism from far-right government ministers.&quot; That source doesn't even mention the term &quot;crimes against humanity&quot; at all. Another cited article from [https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/paivi-rasanen-homosexuality-supreme-court-finland-b2946208.html The Independent] doesn't mention &quot;crimes against humanity&quot;, either. I am also concerned that the use of the term &quot;{{w|crimes against humanity}}&quot; may be considered misleading as to the nature of the charges involved notwithstanding how the term is used in the Finnish Criminal Code which few English Wikinews readers may be familiar with.
[[User:Metropolitan90|Metropolitan90]] ([[User talk:Metropolitan90|talk]]) 01:16, 28 March 2026 (UTC)

:Hello, Metropolitan90! [[User_talk:Metropolitan90#c-Justthefacts-20260328005600-Regarding your move of my article|As I also noted in a message to you on your user talk page]], the actual charge, the actual crime, and the actual conviction all fall under the section of the {{w|Criminal Code of Finland}} that concerns {{w|crimes against humanity}}. Moreover, there is a particular focus from several sources on the fact that Räsänen and Pohjola were convicted under the section of the Criminal Code of Finland that concerns crimes against humanity. If there are any ambiguities at all, all will be resolved when readers read the article itself. [[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 01:37, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::Two of the cited sources ([https://www.christiantoday.com/news/landmark-ruling-expected-in-finnish-politician-s-bible-tweet-case Christian Today], [https://adfinternational.org/news/breaking-landmark-ruling-expected-in-finnish-bible-tweet-case-tomorrow ADF International]) both say that Rasanen was convicted under a section titled “war crimes and crimes against humanity”, but I hope we're not going to change the headline to say that Rasanen and Pohjola were convicted of war crimes, too. --[[User:Metropolitan90|Metropolitan90]] ([[User talk:Metropolitan90|talk]]) 01:57, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::The section specifically concerns crimes against  humanity and courts determine the severity of the crimes against humanity that were committed, which can range from simply dehumanising a minority to genocide and war crimes. The section of the criminal code of Finland is based on the expertise and scholarship of experts and scholars of crimes against humanity who hold that crimes against humanity begin relatively simple in the form of simply dehumanising minorities and continue escalating until eventually genocide and war crimes. This landmark ruling is precisely regarded as such because it considers that even the most simplest form, dehumanising a minority, does indeed constitute a crime against humanity in and of itself. --[[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 02:04, 28 March 2026 (UTC)

==Luther Foundation==
Where does it say that the Luther Foundation was convicted, too? I just checked all of the cited sources and I couldn't find where any of them said that the Luther Foundation was also convicted. In fact, I only saw the phrase &quot;Luther Foundation&quot; in two of the articles ([https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/mar/26/finnish-mp-paivi-rasanen-convicted-homosexuality-developmental-disorder The Guardian] and [https://www.christianitytoday.com/2026/03/finnish-parlimentarian-paivi-rasanen-christian-hate-speech/ Christianity Today]). --[[User:Metropolitan90|Metropolitan90]] ([[User talk:Metropolitan90|talk]]) 15:03, 28 March 2026 (UTC)

:Resolved. [[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 18:01, 28 March 2026 (UTC)

== Minor revision requested ==

@[[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] The article's lead section is required to state when the focal point event took place (calendar day, day of the week, ect.). Can you add that in real quick? I would add it myself but I intend to review this article. Thanks. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 23:31, 28 March 2026 (UTC)

:March 26, 2026 Alliance Defending Freedom International
:@[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 00:35, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::Claude AI helped me. Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 00:35, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Can you add to the article that the ruling happened on Thursday so I don't have to? [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 00:48, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::Thank you @[[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]]. [[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 18:03, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

== Might want to read this ==

The '''headline''' you referenced is a somewhat sensationalized framing of the case, but here's what actually happened: In a narrow 3–2 decision, the Finnish Supreme Court found parliamentarian Päivi Räsänen guilty of &quot;hate speech&quot; related to the expression of her beliefs on marriage and sexual ethics in a 2004 church pamphlet. Alliance Defending Freedom International

@[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 00:37, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

:https://claude.ai/chat/aa894899-c1f6-4236-964a-f90a3f25a23b Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 00:44, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::What is this? [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 00:47, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::The '''headline''' you referenced is a somewhat sensationalized framing of the case, but here's what actually happened: In a narrow 3–2 decision, the Finnish Supreme Court found parliamentarian Päivi Räsänen guilty of &quot;hate speech&quot; related to the expression of her beliefs on marriage and sexual ethics in a 2004 church pamphlet.I asked Claude and this is what was said about the headline.
:::The '''headline''' you referenced is a somewhat sensationalized framing of the case, but here's what actually happened: In a narrow 3–2 decision, the Finnish Supreme Court found parliamentarian Päivi Räsänen guilty of &quot;hate speech&quot; related to the expression of her beliefs on marriage and sexual ethics in a 2004 church pamphlet.
:::@[[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]], thanks. Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 00:52, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:The actual charge, actual crime, and actual conviction are all under the section of the {{w|Criminal Code of Finland}} that concerns {{w|crimes against humanity}}. Any {{w|Artificial intelligence}}, {{w|chatbot}}, {{w|generative AI}}, {{w|large language model}} can be incorrect about the facts, which is why it is necessary to manually verify. Thank for your involvement nonetheless, @[[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]]. [[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 18:02, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

== More headline problems ==

The headline now says, &quot;Supreme Court of Finland makes crimes against the humanity convictions in landmark ruling&quot;. This doesn't sound like idiomatic English. The commonly used phrase is &quot;crimes against humanity&quot;, not &quot;crimes against the humanity&quot;, at least in this context (note that it no longer says &quot;crimes against the humanity of gays and lesbians&quot;). Also, the phrase that a court &quot;makes [name of crime] convictions&quot; is awkward. I wouldn't write that a court &quot;makes murder convictions&quot;, &quot;makes kidnapping convictions&quot;, etc.; I would write that a court &quot;convicts [someone] of murder&quot;, &quot;convicts [someone] of kidnapping&quot;, etc. Or in this case, the Supreme Court of Finland convicts [the specified defendants] of crimes against humanity, although several versions of the headline has gone back and forth as to whether to refer to them by name, as politicians, or as Christians. -- [[User:Metropolitan90|Metropolitan90]] ([[User talk:Metropolitan90|talk]]) 02:57, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

:I agree that it is too vague to simply say that the Supreme Court of Finland made convictions. It should say against Christians, rather than by name or politicians, because there are four defendants, of whom two are individuals and of whom only one is politician and the other is a bishop, and the other two defendants are institutions, and the only thing that they have in common is that they are all Christian. [[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 20:34, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

== Way too many sources  ==

I'm sorry but its just going to take me way too long to review this given that there are like ten sources used in the article and I don't even know if all of them are required to verify the info, I am very overwhelmed at this point, other editors have been moaning and bitching about the way I review articles, and the WMF is now officially closing Wikinews next month so there's no point in finishing this anyway. You can try and see if someone else can review this, but given the way things have been going here the last six months I would not bank on it, man. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 12:41, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

:I used a significant amount of sources just to be sure, because this is my very first ever Wikinews article! I really appreciate your edits and your work! Could you try and see this through to the end? I really put in a lot of work into this article and would really like to see it published! [[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 22:51, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::@[[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]], come join my news wiki. Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 22:52, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::https://newswikien.fandom.com/wiki/NewsWikiEN_Wiki Don [[User:BigKrow|Don]] 22:52, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::Yes, I will try. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 00:02, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

== Review of revision 5003204 [Not ready] ==

&lt;!-- Submitted using easy peer review - MediaWiki:Gadget-easyPeerReview.js --&gt; {{peer_reviewed|revid=5003204|copyright=n/a|newsworthy=pass|verifiable=n/a|npov=The author's reversion of my removal reintroduced neutrality errors into the artcile. The language is way to emotional and wordy for a WN article. |style=There were some really wordy parts with severe overlinking that I removed, but my edits were reverted, bringing the article further from publishable state. |reviewer=Lofi Gurl|comments=The project is fucking fried, man. I'm sorry we couldn't get this published. The announcement to close the project has really just gutted us all, and honestly we are in &quot;wind down&quot; mode now. There is nothing I can do. I'm sorry. |time=23:25, 1 April 2026 (UTC)}}

== Note to reviewer(s) ==

Hello,

I edited the text to remove one sentence that was vague and created bias ( is consistently ranked at or near the top of various indices of freedom and democracy, and is therefore broadly considered to be a model liberal democracy.) this sentence may be re-added if details is included.

I re-ordered for inverted pyramid

I re-worded for past tense

I added clarifications where possible to avoid bias and make the article more neutral

and I submitted it for review. Hope this is helpful. Newsworthiness is an issue and I hope it can be passed with exception as articles were not published for a while.

Please also note I posted a section [https://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikinews:Water_cooler/proposals#Proposal_to_cease_publishing_after_around_April_14 here]. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 08:16, 5 April 2026 (UTC)

== Review of revision 5005122 [Not ready] ==

&lt;!-- Submitted using easy peer review - MediaWiki:Gadget-easyPeerReview.js --&gt; {{peer_reviewed|revid=5005122|copyright=n/a|newsworthy=Stale. [[WN:Gatwicking]] recomended. Can it be done? If this article is saved it could very well be one of the very last Wikinews articles ever, '''ever.'''|verifiable=n/a|npov=n/a|style=n/a|reviewer=Lofi Gurl|comments=|time=23:07, 5 April 2026 (UTC)}}

== Review of revision 5005210 [Passed] ==

{{Peer_reviewed
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| copyright = pass
| newsworthy = exception
| verifiable = pass
| npov = pass
| style = pass
| reviewer = Gryllida
| comments = News is over a week old but I am publishing. The headline could be better but there is so much controversy about how to put it properly that I am content with the current revision.

Overall as a piece of feedback, it is necessary to be more factual and as much as possible insert facts rather than qualitative characterizations. I believe this has substantially improved in the last few days as the article has been revised. Thank you.

I have read the talk page and I believe the concerns there have been satisfactorily addressed in the recent edits and in the resulting current revision.

Copyright check passed flagging only the quote(s) included in the text.

I am recommending to add a sentence about expected consequence (fine, jail time) or if it is unknown then, when is this expected to be determined. If you could please make this change within 24 hours, then it could be sighted and be included in the report.
| time = 01:33, April 6, 2026 (UTC)
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-- [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 01:33, 6 April 2026 (UTC)
: I find the publication of this article problematic. I agree with @[[User:Metropolitan90|Metropolitan90]] above regarding the headline as well as our use of the term 'crimes against humanity.'&lt;br&gt; There is not adequate, independent support to state that anyone has been found guilty &quot;of crimes against the humanity of gays and lesbians.&quot; The available reporting does not support that characterization.&lt;br&gt; Reuters stated the conviction was for ''incitement'':&lt;blockquote&gt;The court found Paivi Rasanen, a medical doctor and MP for the small Christian Democratic party since 1995, guilty of incitement against a group by claiming in ​a social media post in 2019 and on her website in 2020 ​that it was scientifically proven that homosexuality was a developmental disorder.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Machine translation of the [https://korkeinoikeus.fi/fi/index/ennakkopaatokset/kko202627.html Supreme Court's release] states the following:&lt;blockquote&gt;A is charged with incitement against a group of people between November 4, 2019 and January 24, 2022 (count 1), for which he is sentenced to a 20-day fine.&lt;br&gt; B is charged with incitement against a group of people between November 4, 2019 and January 24, 2022 (count 2), for which he is sentenced to a 20-day fine.&lt;br&gt; The X Foundation is sentenced to a corporate fine of 5,000 euros.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Both the reporting and the court’s own release describe the offense as incitement against a group. I do not see support for describing the conviction as 'crimes against humanity,' and that appears to be a mischaracterization of the ruling.&lt;br&gt; While one listed source uses that phrasing, it originates from Christian Institute. That phrasing appears in the headline, while the body of the article instead states: ''&quot;This offence is listed under a chapter of criminal code entitled “war crimes and crimes against humanity”.'' This reflects a description of the structure of the criminal code rather than the charge or conviction itself, and does not support the wording used in the article.&lt;br&gt; Similarly, Christian Institute is a perspective-driven publication and does not provide the level of independent, objective reporting needed to support such a claim.&lt;br&gt; Given that higher-quality, independent sources consistently describe the offense as incitement, I do not see a basis for retaining the current wording.&lt;br&gt; @[[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]], as the publishing reviewer, what steps will be taken to correct this?[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 11:57, 6 April 2026 (UTC)
::Do you believe a retraction is imminent? [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 16:22, 6 April 2026 (UTC)
::: I have not conducted a full review of the article. My concerns are currently limited to the use of &quot;crimes against humanity.&quot;
::: I have reviewed the Supreme Court’s release, which describes the conviction as incitement against a group. That characterization is consistent with independent reporting and does not appear to support describing the conviction itself as &quot;crimes against humanity.&quot;
::: Given that, it would be helpful for others to take a closer look at the article more broadly to determine whether additional issues are present and whether this is a matter for correction or something more substantial.
::: @Lofi Gurl, given your earlier review comments, your perspective would be helpful.
::: I also have concerns about whether some of the framing—particularly in [[#Headline|the discussion below]]—may be introducing characterization not clearly supported by sources.[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 21:35, 6 April 2026 (UTC)
::::Hi, I have been arguing against framing this as &quot;convicting Christians of crimes against the humanity of gays&quot; since the beginning, where I evoked [[Wikinews:NPOV]]. This framing is not necessary or essential for the article, I don't understand why this is is being brought up again. Imagine if the defendants in question were Jews or Muslims and we ran with that same headline. How do you think that would go? [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 21:43, 6 April 2026 (UTC)
::::: The article continues to describe the convictions as “crimes against humanity” in several places:
::::: 
:::::* &quot;...the Supreme Court of Finland convicted...of crimes against the humanity of gays and lesbians...&quot;
:::::* &quot;The defendants were convicted under the section of the Criminal Code of Finland concerning crimes against humanity...&quot;
:::::* &quot;The decision was a significant precedent with implications for future rulings pertaining to the legal intersection of freedom of speech and freedom of religion with hate speech and crimes against humanity...&quot;
:::::* &quot;...other portions dehumanised gays and lesbians on the basis of their sexual orientation, constituting crimes against humanity...&quot;
::::: 
::::: These statements do not reflect how the conviction is described in the Supreme Court’s release or in independent reporting, which characterize the offense as incitement against a group. The references to “crimes against humanity” appear to derive from the structure of the criminal code rather than the nature of the conviction itself.
::::: As a journalism project, we are required to ensure that our reporting accurately reflects what sources state. In this case, describing the convictions as “crimes against humanity” is not supported by the available sources and should be corrected.
::::: {{tq|I don't understand why this is is being brought up again.}}
::::: This is being raised because the current wording does not align with how the conviction is described in the sources, and accuracy in that regard is a core requirement.[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 05:35, 7 April 2026 (UTC)

== Headline ==

As [[#More headline problems|previously noted by both]] @[[User:Metropolitan90|Metropolitan90]] and myself, the headline is simply too vague if it does not note the specific sort of defendants convicted by the Supreme Court and as also [[#c-Justthefacts-20260330203400-Metropolitan90-20260330025700|previously noted by myself]], the title should note that Supreme Court convicted Christians, because there are four defendants, of whom two are individuals and of whom only one is politician and the other is a bishop, and the other two defendants are institutions, and the only thing that they have in common is that they are all Christian. [[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] ([[User talk:Justthefacts|talk]]) 20:41, 6 April 2026 (UTC)
: If reputable, independent sources explicitly characterize the defendants in that way, we can reflect that with proper attribution. Otherwise, grouping them under a shared identity constitutes editorial analysis, which is not appropriate under [[WN:NPOV]]. The headline should follow how the conviction is described in sources, not introduce a characterization that is not clearly supported.[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[User:Michael.C.Wright/reviewer|Reviewer]]&lt;/sub&gt;) 21:12, 6 April 2026 (UTC)
::From what I can tell, the language in the sources did not describe the defendants that way. They moreso just specifically named their political positions and the organizations they were involved with. Hold my beer. I have an idea. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 21:46, 6 April 2026 (UTC)
:::Hi, I changed the headline to reflect what the sources said the defendents were actually convicted of. @[[User:Justthefacts|Justthefacts]] please do not move the page back to characterize the defendents as simply &quot;Christians&quot;, because that framing creates a [[Wikinews:NPOV]] problems that are not in line with our policies. [[User:Lofi Gurl|Lofi Gurl]] ([[User talk:Lofi Gurl|talk]]) 21:51, 6 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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On May 4, 2026, the Wikinews project was closed, after the [[meta:Wikimedia Foundation/Board of Trustees|Board of Trustees]] of the {{W|Wikimedia Foundation}} announced on March 30 its final decision to close all language editions of the project.

Wikinews was a sister project of other Wikimedia initiatives, including {{w|Wikipedia}}, {{w|Wiktionary}}, and {{w|Wikimedia Commons}}, which support the dissemination of free knowledge and media. The future of Wikinews was raised for consideration in late 2025, followed by [[meta:Public consultation about Wikinews|a period of public consultation about Wikinews]]. After this process, the Board announced in March 2026 that the 31 active editions of Wikinews would be placed in read-only mode indefinitely.

In the announcement message, trustee [[meta:User:Victoria|Victoria Doronina]] said, &quot;We thank all contributors who have participated in Wikinews over the years and helped build a unique experiment in collaborative journalism within the Wikimedia movement, and we understand that some of them might be disappointed by this decision. To our regret, the project wasn’t able to fulfil its promise, and many of its functions were eclipsed by the notable news coverage in Wikipedias.&quot;

Wikinews launched in November 2004. It was first proposed by an anonymous contributor in January 2003&lt;!-- https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Wikinews/Archive&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=4306 --&gt; and faced a community vote that ended 151 yea and 59 nay, leading to the first demo going live in October 2004.&lt;!-- https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikinews/Vote --&gt; The English-language Wikinews was formally created December&amp;nbsp;2 of that year, with German following one day later.&lt;!--Context of blogs, citizen journalism (e.g. Occupy, Indymedia, blogger's bill of rights)--&gt;

The project's early development followed a series of community discussions and milestones in late 2004 and early 2005. A [[meta:Wikinews/License straw poll|non-binding straw poll]] on content licensing began on October 26, 2004, alongside discussions on the project's scope and policies. The initial demo site, hosted at ''[https://web.archive.org/web/20041117013229/http://demo.wikinews.org/wiki/Main_Page demo.wikinews.org]'', was later moved to the English Wikinews domain on December 2, 2004.

Following the launch of the English and German editions in December 2004, additional language editions were created in early 2005, including Dutch, French, Swedish, Spanish, Bulgarian, Polish, Romanian, and Portuguese. The project also adopted a logo in February 2005 through a community voting process.

According to the [[meta:Wikinews manifesto|project's manifesto]], &quot;Wikinews is founded on the idea that we want to create something new, rather than destroy something old. It is founded on the belief that we can, together, build a great and unique resource which will enrich the media landscape.&quot; The manifesto further described, &quot;We seek to promote the idea of the citizen journalist, because we believe that everyone can make a useful contribution to painting the big picture of what is happening in the world around us.&quot; 

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&lt;!--Expansion of editions, original reporting, experiments with spoken/print editions, press coverage (https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikinews/Press_coverage), licensing changes, expansion of sr.wn and ru.wn, creation of Wikinewsie group, launch of WikiTribune and Infobitt, dpl breaking, task force review/vote--&gt;

&lt;!--Get interviews with key Wikinewsies--&gt;
&lt;!--https://diff.wikimedia.org/2025/06/27/community-consultation-about-the-wikispore-and-wikinews/--&gt;
&lt;!--Per talk:

History

Visualization of articles by
Overview of past research
Greatest hits (Some interviews and other facts from Wikinews and the broad range of featured and classic articles)

Wikinews investigates... Wikipedia usage by U.S. Senate staff; Petition pressures City of Edinburgh
Wikinews interviews... Shimon Peres, Dr. Sara Seager, Jack Herrick, Trischa Zorn, Gary Johnson, 2000th featured WP article authors, DuckDuckGo, WWW co-inventor Robert Cailliau, Rick Falkvinge, Al Sharpton, Domas, ...
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Wikinews was a sister project of other Wikimedia initiatives, including {{w|Wikipedia}}, {{w|Wiktionary}}, and {{w|Wikimedia Commons}}, which support the dissemination of free knowledge and media. The future of Wikinews was raised for consideration in late 2025, followed by [[meta:Public consultation about Wikinews|a period of public consultation about Wikinews]]. After this process, the Board announced in March 2026 that the 31 active editions of Wikinews would be placed in read-only mode indefinitely.

In the announcement message, trustee [[meta:User:Victoria|Victoria Doronina]] said, &quot;We thank all contributors who have participated in Wikinews over the years and helped build a unique experiment in collaborative journalism within the Wikimedia movement, and we understand that some of them might be disappointed by this decision. To our regret, the project wasn’t able to fulfil its promise, and many of its functions were eclipsed by the notable news coverage in Wikipedias.&quot;

Wikinews launched in November 2004. It was first proposed by an anonymous contributor in January 2003&lt;!-- https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Wikinews/Archive&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=4306 --&gt; and faced a community vote that ended 151 yea and 59 nay, leading to the first demo going live in October 2004.&lt;!-- https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikinews/Vote --&gt; The English-language Wikinews was formally created December&amp;nbsp;2 of that year, with German following one day later.&lt;!--Context of blogs, citizen journalism (e.g. Occupy, Indymedia, blogger's bill of rights)--&gt;

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Following the launch of the English and German editions in December 2004, additional language editions were created in early 2005, including Dutch, French, Swedish, Spanish, Bulgarian, Polish, Romanian, and Portuguese. The project also adopted a logo in February 2005 through a community voting process.

According to the [[meta:Wikinews manifesto|project's manifesto]], &quot;Wikinews is founded on the idea that we want to create something new, rather than destroy something old. It is founded on the belief that we can, together, build a great and unique resource which will enrich the media landscape.&quot; The manifesto further described, &quot;We seek to promote the idea of the citizen journalist, because we believe that everyone can make a useful contribution to painting the big picture of what is happening in the world around us.&quot; 

&lt;!-- Illustrative quote from the manifesto: We seek to create a free source of news, where the 10% of human beings (as of 2004) with internet access, and in the future certainly more of us, are invited to contribute reports about events large and small, either from direct experience, or summarized from elsewhere. Wikinews is founded on the idea that we want to create something new, rather than destroy something old. It is founded on the belief that we can, together, build a great and unique resource which will enrich the media landscape. --&gt;
&lt;!--Expansion of editions, original reporting, experiments with spoken/print editions, press coverage (https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikinews/Press_coverage), licensing changes, expansion of sr.wn and ru.wn, creation of Wikinewsie group, launch of WikiTribune and Infobitt, dpl breaking, task force review/vote--&gt;

&lt;!--Get interviews with key Wikinewsies--&gt;
&lt;!--https://diff.wikimedia.org/2025/06/27/community-consultation-about-the-wikispore-and-wikinews/--&gt;
&lt;!--Per talk:

History

Visualization of articles by
Overview of past research
Greatest hits (Some interviews and other facts from Wikinews and the broad range of featured and classic articles)

Wikinews investigates... Wikipedia usage by U.S. Senate staff; Petition pressures City of Edinburgh
Wikinews interviews... Shimon Peres, Dr. Sara Seager, Jack Herrick, Trischa Zorn, Gary Johnson, 2000th featured WP article authors, DuckDuckGo, WWW co-inventor Robert Cailliau, Rick Falkvinge, Al Sharpton, Domas, ...
Past projects or services

Accreditation
Interview series
Education
Photo essays; POTY and spinoffs--&gt;
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== Acting  ==

intresting in acting in Hollywood action series a direct message [[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-21167-17|&amp;#126;2026-21167-17]] ([[User talk:&amp;#126;2026-21167-17|talk]]) 15:44, 6 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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Wesa goin’ nowhere fast!
Ooh-mooey-mooey!
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Oh, maxi big the force!
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Oh-oh-oh! 
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Oh-oh-oh! 
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Wesa goin’ nowhere fast!&lt;br&gt;
Ooh-mooey-mooey!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;
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Woke up this morning, stepped in the poopy again&lt;br&gt;
Stuck on this planet, got no real Gungan friends&lt;br&gt;
Qui-Gon is yelling, says I almost got us killed&lt;br&gt;
Just tried to help, now the whole canteen is spilled!&lt;br&gt;
Oh, maxi big the force!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;
''(Chorus)''&lt;br&gt;
And I’m just a clumsiest Gungan in town&lt;br&gt;
Always turning the whole world upside down&lt;br&gt;
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Oh-oh-oh!&lt;br&gt;
Bombad Broken Heart!&lt;br&gt;
Oh-oh-oh!&lt;br&gt;
Mesa just a work of art!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;
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Stuck on a spaceship, staring at the ceiling fan&lt;br&gt;
Anakin is looking for a better master plan&lt;br&gt;
I tried to talk, now the Senate is in a fight&lt;br&gt;
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How wude!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;
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Always turning the whole world upside down&lt;br&gt;
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Oh-oh-oh!&lt;br&gt;
Mesa just a work of art!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;
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Just a silly Gungan, broken item?&lt;br&gt;
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Oh-oh-oh!&lt;br&gt;
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Oh-oh-oh!&lt;br&gt;
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'''Title: Bombad Broken Heart'''&lt;br&gt;
'''Tempo:''' Fast (175 BPM)&lt;br&gt;
'''Style:''' {{w|Blink-182}} meets {{w|The Phantom Menace}}&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;
''(Intro - Fast drumming, palm-muted guitars)''&lt;br&gt;
(One, two, three, four!)&lt;br&gt;
Wesa goin’ nowhere fast!&lt;br&gt;
Ooh-mooey-mooey!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;
''(Verse 1)'' &lt;br&gt;
Woke up this morning, stepped in the poopy again&lt;br&gt;
Stuck on this planet, got no real Gungan friends&lt;br&gt;
Qui-Gon is yelling, says I almost got us killed&lt;br&gt;
Just tried to help, now the whole canteen is spilled!&lt;br&gt;
Oh, maxi big the force!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;
''(Chorus)''&lt;br&gt;
And I’m just a clumsiest Gungan in town&lt;br&gt;
Always turning the whole world upside down&lt;br&gt;
Can’t speak right, no I don’t got the brains&lt;br&gt;
But I’m living fast and I’m breaking all the chains!&lt;br&gt;
Oh-oh-oh!&lt;br&gt;
Bombad Broken Heart!&lt;br&gt;
Oh-oh-oh!&lt;br&gt;
Mesa just a work of art!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;
''(Verse 2)''&lt;br&gt;
Stuck on a spaceship, staring at the ceiling fan&lt;br&gt;
Anakin is looking for a better master plan&lt;br&gt;
I tried to talk, now the Senate is in a fight&lt;br&gt;
Dellow Felegates! I’ll be hiding all the night.&lt;br&gt;
How wude!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;
''(Chorus)''&lt;br&gt;
And I’m just a clumsiest Gungan in town&lt;br&gt;
Always turning the whole world upside down&lt;br&gt;
Can’t speak right, no I don’t got the brains&lt;br&gt;
But I’m living fast and I’m breaking all the chains!&lt;br&gt;
Oh-oh-oh!&lt;br&gt;
Bombad Broken Heart!&lt;br&gt;
Oh-oh-oh!&lt;br&gt;
Mesa just a work of art!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;
''(Bridge - Slows down, bass-heavy)''&lt;br&gt;
Maybe wesa... just a joke to them?&lt;br&gt;
Just a silly Gungan, broken item?&lt;br&gt;
But I found the city... I fought the droids!&lt;br&gt;
General Bombad! Filling the voids!&lt;br&gt;
''(Fast drum fill!)'' Yousa follow me now, okie day?!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;
''(Chorus)''&lt;br&gt;
And I’m just a clumsiest Gungan in town&lt;br&gt;
Always turning the whole world upside down&lt;br&gt;
Can’t speak right, no I don’t got the brains&lt;br&gt;
But I’m living fast and I’m breaking all the chains!&lt;br&gt;
Oh-oh-oh!&lt;br&gt;
Bombad Broken Heart!&lt;br&gt;
Oh-oh-oh!&lt;br&gt;
Mesa just a work of art!&lt;br&gt;
''(Fast chord, end on feedback)''</text>
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'''Title: Bombad Broken Heart'''&lt;br&gt;
'''Tempo:''' Fast (175 BPM)&lt;br&gt;
'''Style:''' {{w|Blink-182}} meets {{w|The Phantom Menace}}&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;
''(Intro - Fast drumming, palm-muted guitars)''&lt;br&gt;
(One, two, three, four!)&lt;br&gt;
Wesa goin’ nowhere fast!&lt;br&gt;
Ooh-mooey-mooey!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;
''(Verse 1)'' &lt;br&gt;
Woke up this morning, stepped in the poopy again&lt;br&gt;
Stuck on this planet, got no real Gungan friends&lt;br&gt;
Qui-Gon is yelling, says I almost got us killed&lt;br&gt;
Just tried to help, now the whole canteen is spilled!&lt;br&gt;
Oh, maxi big the force!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;
''(Chorus)''&lt;br&gt;
And I’m just a clumsiest Gungan in town&lt;br&gt;
Always turning the whole world upside down&lt;br&gt;
Can’t speak right, no I don’t got the brains&lt;br&gt;
But I’m living fast and I’m breaking all the chains!&lt;br&gt;
Oh-oh-oh!&lt;br&gt;
Bombad Broken Heart!&lt;br&gt;
Oh-oh-oh!&lt;br&gt;
Mesa just a work of art!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;
''(Verse 2)''&lt;br&gt;
Stuck on a spaceship, staring at the ceiling fan&lt;br&gt;
Anakin is looking for a better master plan&lt;br&gt;
I tried to talk, now the Senate is in a fight&lt;br&gt;
Dellow Felegates! I’ll be hiding all the night.&lt;br&gt;
How wude!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;
''(Chorus)''&lt;br&gt;
And I’m just a clumsiest Gungan in town&lt;br&gt;
Always turning the whole world upside down&lt;br&gt;
Can’t speak right, no I don’t got the brains&lt;br&gt;
But I’m living fast and I’m breaking all the chains!&lt;br&gt;
Oh-oh-oh!&lt;br&gt;
Bombad Broken Heart!&lt;br&gt;
Oh-oh-oh!&lt;br&gt;
Mesa just a work of art!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;
''(Bridge - Slows down, bass-heavy)''&lt;br&gt;
Maybe wesa... just a joke to them?&lt;br&gt;
Just a silly Gungan, broken item?&lt;br&gt;
But I found the city... I fought the droids!&lt;br&gt;
General Bombad! Filling the voids!&lt;br&gt;
''(Fast drum fill!)'' Yousa follow me now, okie day?!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;
''(Chorus)''&lt;br&gt;
And I’m just a clumsiest Gungan in town&lt;br&gt;
Always turning the whole world upside down&lt;br&gt;
Can’t speak right, no I don’t got the brains&lt;br&gt;
But I’m living fast and I’m breaking all the chains!&lt;br&gt;
Oh-oh-oh!&lt;br&gt;
Bombad Broken Heart!&lt;br&gt;
Oh-oh-oh!&lt;br&gt;
Mesa just a work of art!&lt;br&gt;
''(Fast chord, end on feedback)''</text>
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  <page>
    <title>User talk:Renamed user 3681a1976fa47f7c811e529a349a4cf9</title>
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    <revision>
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      <timestamp>2026-04-06T12:09:41Z</timestamp>
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        <username>Neriah</username>
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      <comment>Neriah moved page [[User talk:Riduanhasan33]] to [[User talk:Renamed user 3681a1976fa47f7c811e529a349a4cf9]] without leaving a redirect: Automatically moved page while renaming the user &quot;[[Special:CentralAuth/Riduanhasan33|Riduanhasan33]]&quot; to &quot;[[Special:CentralAuth/Renamed user 3681a1976fa47f7c811e529a349a4cf9|Renamed user 3681a1976fa47f7c811e529a349a4cf9]]&quot;</comment>
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  <page>
    <title>User talk:Tmnbg</title>
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    <id>3089749</id>
    <revision>
      <id>5005394</id>
      <timestamp>2026-04-06T12:13:06Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
        <username>Wikinews Welcome</username>
        <id>183942</id>
      </contributor>
      <minor />
      <comment>Welcoming the newest member of the Wikinews community.</comment>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 12:13, 6 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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    </revision>
  </page>
  <page>
    <title>User talk:Bruhmoemnr</title>
    <ns>3</ns>
    <id>3089750</id>
    <revision>
      <id>5005395</id>
      <timestamp>2026-04-06T12:16:40Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
        <username>Wikinews Welcome</username>
        <id>183942</id>
      </contributor>
      <minor />
      <comment>Welcoming the newest member of the Wikinews community.</comment>
      <origin>5005395</origin>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 12:16, 6 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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  </page>
  <page>
    <title>User talk:Oleguami</title>
    <ns>3</ns>
    <id>3089751</id>
    <revision>
      <id>5005397</id>
      <timestamp>2026-04-06T12:17:56Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
        <username>Wikinews Welcome</username>
        <id>183942</id>
      </contributor>
      <minor />
      <comment>Welcoming the newest member of the Wikinews community.</comment>
      <origin>5005397</origin>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 12:17, 6 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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    </revision>
  </page>
  <page>
    <title>User talk:SegaGameboy</title>
    <ns>3</ns>
    <id>3089752</id>
    <revision>
      <id>5005399</id>
      <timestamp>2026-04-06T12:24:09Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
        <username>Wikinews Welcome</username>
        <id>183942</id>
      </contributor>
      <minor />
      <comment>Welcoming the newest member of the Wikinews community.</comment>
      <origin>5005399</origin>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 12:24, 6 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
      <sha1>gk36fmj5rv99ic1wzlm625mbsoswkdu</sha1>
    </revision>
  </page>
  <page>
    <title>User talk:Djdjd9djdjay</title>
    <ns>3</ns>
    <id>3089753</id>
    <revision>
      <id>5005400</id>
      <timestamp>2026-04-06T12:26:02Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
        <username>Wikinews Welcome</username>
        <id>183942</id>
      </contributor>
      <minor />
      <comment>Welcoming the newest member of the Wikinews community.</comment>
      <origin>5005400</origin>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 12:26, 6 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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    </revision>
  </page>
  <page>
    <title>User talk:Andre Macedo88</title>
    <ns>3</ns>
    <id>3089755</id>
    <revision>
      <id>5005402</id>
      <timestamp>2026-04-06T12:39:17Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
        <username>Wikinews Welcome</username>
        <id>183942</id>
      </contributor>
      <minor />
      <comment>Welcoming the newest member of the Wikinews community.</comment>
      <origin>5005402</origin>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 12:39, 6 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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  </page>
  <page>
    <title>User talk:DoomGuyX</title>
    <ns>3</ns>
    <id>3089756</id>
    <revision>
      <id>5005403</id>
      <timestamp>2026-04-06T12:42:16Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
        <username>Wikinews Welcome</username>
        <id>183942</id>
      </contributor>
      <minor />
      <comment>Welcoming the newest member of the Wikinews community.</comment>
      <origin>5005403</origin>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 12:42, 6 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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  </page>
  <page>
    <title>User talk:Cos' astar</title>
    <ns>3</ns>
    <id>3089757</id>
    <revision>
      <id>5005404</id>
      <timestamp>2026-04-06T12:42:29Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
        <username>Wikinews Welcome</username>
        <id>183942</id>
      </contributor>
      <minor />
      <comment>Welcoming the newest member of the Wikinews community.</comment>
      <origin>5005404</origin>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 12:42, 6 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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    </revision>
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  <page>
    <title>User talk:Pilxen</title>
    <ns>3</ns>
    <id>3089758</id>
    <revision>
      <id>5005405</id>
      <timestamp>2026-04-06T12:45:47Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
        <username>Wikinews Welcome</username>
        <id>183942</id>
      </contributor>
      <minor />
      <comment>Welcoming the newest member of the Wikinews community.</comment>
      <origin>5005405</origin>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 12:45, 6 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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    </revision>
  </page>
  <page>
    <title>User talk:森下陽</title>
    <ns>3</ns>
    <id>3089759</id>
    <revision>
      <id>5005406</id>
      <timestamp>2026-04-06T12:46:05Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
        <username>Wikinews Welcome</username>
        <id>183942</id>
      </contributor>
      <minor />
      <comment>Welcoming the newest member of the Wikinews community.</comment>
      <origin>5005406</origin>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 12:46, 6 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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  </page>
  <page>
    <title>User talk:Sankomaemmanuel62</title>
    <ns>3</ns>
    <id>3089760</id>
    <revision>
      <id>5005407</id>
      <timestamp>2026-04-06T12:48:03Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
        <username>Wikinews Welcome</username>
        <id>183942</id>
      </contributor>
      <minor />
      <comment>Welcoming the newest member of the Wikinews community.</comment>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 12:48, 6 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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  <page>
    <title>User talk:RaymondRM</title>
    <ns>3</ns>
    <id>3089761</id>
    <revision>
      <id>5005409</id>
      <timestamp>2026-04-06T12:49:46Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
        <username>Wikinews Welcome</username>
        <id>183942</id>
      </contributor>
      <minor />
      <comment>Welcoming the newest member of the Wikinews community.</comment>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 12:49, 6 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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  <page>
    <title>User talk:Gabi.lubpor</title>
    <ns>3</ns>
    <id>3089762</id>
    <revision>
      <id>5005410</id>
      <timestamp>2026-04-06T12:50:24Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
        <username>Wikinews Welcome</username>
        <id>183942</id>
      </contributor>
      <minor />
      <comment>Welcoming the newest member of the Wikinews community.</comment>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 12:50, 6 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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  <page>
    <title>User talk:Milana Berk</title>
    <ns>3</ns>
    <id>3089763</id>
    <revision>
      <id>5005411</id>
      <timestamp>2026-04-06T12:52:38Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
        <username>Wikinews Welcome</username>
        <id>183942</id>
      </contributor>
      <minor />
      <comment>Welcoming the newest member of the Wikinews community.</comment>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 12:52, 6 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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  </page>
  <page>
    <title>User talk:Morganwallen3418</title>
    <ns>3</ns>
    <id>3089764</id>
    <revision>
      <id>5005412</id>
      <timestamp>2026-04-06T12:57:07Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
        <username>Wikinews Welcome</username>
        <id>183942</id>
      </contributor>
      <minor />
      <comment>Welcoming the newest member of the Wikinews community.</comment>
      <origin>5005412</origin>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 12:57, 6 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
      <sha1>lix1r23sgdmoexj8metvkeqc75v6q9n</sha1>
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  <page>
    <title>User talk:Humberto Viscarra</title>
    <ns>3</ns>
    <id>3089765</id>
    <revision>
      <id>5005413</id>
      <timestamp>2026-04-06T12:57:47Z</timestamp>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 12:57, 6 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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    <title>User talk:Spibidibap</title>
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      <timestamp>2026-04-06T12:59:07Z</timestamp>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 12:59, 6 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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      <timestamp>2026-04-06T13:00:42Z</timestamp>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 13:00, 6 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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    <title>User talk:Vrpasa</title>
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      <timestamp>2026-04-06T13:04:21Z</timestamp>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 13:04, 6 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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    <title>User talk:Michelecascioli1</title>
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      <timestamp>2026-04-06T13:13:14Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 13:13, 6 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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    <title>User talk:Skarvhylsa</title>
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      <timestamp>2026-04-06T13:17:25Z</timestamp>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 13:17, 6 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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      <timestamp>2026-04-06T13:21:44Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 13:21, 6 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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    <title>User talk:Runik3n</title>
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      <timestamp>2026-04-06T13:25:13Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 13:25, 6 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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    <title>User talk:Khushi Palwe</title>
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      <timestamp>2026-04-06T13:25:45Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 13:25, 6 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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    <title>User talk:Hugokunner1</title>
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      <timestamp>2026-04-06T13:28:13Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 13:28, 6 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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    <title>User talk:GravitasDeficitDisorder</title>
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      <timestamp>2026-04-06T13:33:33Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 13:33, 6 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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    <title>User talk:Viola28</title>
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    <revision>
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      <timestamp>2026-04-06T13:38:33Z</timestamp>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 13:38, 6 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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    <title>User talk:Bray 113</title>
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      <timestamp>2026-04-06T13:41:08Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 13:41, 6 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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    <title>User talk:Kiril131</title>
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      <timestamp>2026-04-06T13:53:44Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 13:53, 6 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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    <title>User talk:IcieWik</title>
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      <timestamp>2026-04-06T13:54:57Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 13:54, 6 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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    <title>User talk:Jameswong001</title>
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      <timestamp>2026-04-06T13:55:43Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 13:55, 6 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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    <title>User talk:Leng3333</title>
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      <timestamp>2026-04-06T14:00:52Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 14:00, 6 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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    <title>User talk:GUNPHIROM KHACHMAO</title>
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    <revision>
      <id>5005446</id>
      <timestamp>2026-04-06T14:18:54Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 14:18, 6 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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    <title>User talk:Ежевика 303</title>
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    <revision>
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      <timestamp>2026-04-06T14:24:34Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 14:24, 6 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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    <title>User talk:RinaldiSte</title>
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    <revision>
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      <timestamp>2026-04-06T14:28:09Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 14:28, 6 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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    <title>User talk:Lucklessduck</title>
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    <revision>
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      <timestamp>2026-04-06T14:45:03Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 14:45, 6 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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  <page>
    <title>User talk:百事可乐1</title>
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    <revision>
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      <timestamp>2026-04-06T14:45:27Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 14:45, 6 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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    <title>User talk:Michaelgibson334</title>
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    <revision>
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      <timestamp>2026-04-06T14:46:22Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
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      <comment>Welcoming the newest member of the Wikinews community.</comment>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 14:46, 6 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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    <title>User talk:Limi bulni</title>
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    <revision>
      <id>5005457</id>
      <timestamp>2026-04-06T14:48:03Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
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      <comment>Welcoming the newest member of the Wikinews community.</comment>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 14:48, 6 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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    <title>User talk:Peslena</title>
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    <revision>
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      <timestamp>2026-04-06T14:49:28Z</timestamp>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 14:49, 6 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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    <title>User talk:Γλωσσολαλιά</title>
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      <timestamp>2026-04-06T14:54:16Z</timestamp>
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      <comment>Welcoming the newest member of the Wikinews community.</comment>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 14:54, 6 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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  <page>
    <title>User talk:4959204th User</title>
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      <timestamp>2026-04-06T15:06:37Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
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      <comment>Welcoming the newest member of the Wikinews community.</comment>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 15:06, 6 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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    <title>User talk:Aniram fff</title>
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      <timestamp>2026-04-06T15:07:29Z</timestamp>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 15:07, 6 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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    <title>User talk:Momina Malik</title>
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      <timestamp>2026-04-06T15:17:00Z</timestamp>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 15:17, 6 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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    <title>User talk:Ahovakimiam</title>
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      <timestamp>2026-04-06T15:19:36Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 15:19, 6 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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    <title>User talk:OrthodoxPepper3</title>
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      <timestamp>2026-04-06T15:32:27Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
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      <comment>Welcoming the newest member of the Wikinews community.</comment>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 15:32, 6 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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    <title>User talk:MonoFinet</title>
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      <timestamp>2026-04-06T15:32:58Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
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      <comment>Welcoming the newest member of the Wikinews community.</comment>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 15:32, 6 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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    <title>User talk:12Simon&amp;02</title>
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      <timestamp>2026-04-06T15:33:31Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
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      <comment>Welcoming the newest member of the Wikinews community.</comment>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 15:33, 6 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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    <title>User talk:Boyeon Van</title>
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      <timestamp>2026-04-06T15:38:05Z</timestamp>
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      <comment>Welcoming the newest member of the Wikinews community.</comment>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 15:38, 6 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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    <title>User talk:Guilherme Di Napoli</title>
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    <revision>
      <id>5005474</id>
      <timestamp>2026-04-06T15:39:59Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
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      <comment>Welcoming the newest member of the Wikinews community.</comment>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 15:39, 6 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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  <page>
    <title>User talk:Mangesh stricker</title>
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      <timestamp>2026-04-06T15:40:35Z</timestamp>
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      <comment>Welcoming the newest member of the Wikinews community.</comment>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 15:40, 6 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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  <page>
    <title>User talk:Renamed user 88e46354905b1cb771c789db96f05fc8</title>
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      <contributor>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 15:47, 6 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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      <comment>AccountVanishRequests moved page [[User talk:Alaminakon1998]] to [[User talk:Renamed user 88e46354905b1cb771c789db96f05fc8]] without leaving a redirect: Automatically moved page while renaming the user &quot;[[Special:CentralAuth/Alaminakon1998|Alaminakon1998]]&quot; to &quot;[[Special:CentralAuth/Renamed user 88e46354905b1cb771c789db96f05fc8|Renamed user 88e46354905b1cb771c789db96f05fc8]]&quot;</comment>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 15:47, 6 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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    <title>User talk:Aidin javaherian</title>
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      <timestamp>2026-04-06T15:50:07Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
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      <comment>Welcoming the newest member of the Wikinews community.</comment>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 15:50, 6 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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    <title>User talk:Sigmaringen94</title>
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      <timestamp>2026-04-06T15:56:45Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
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      <comment>Welcoming the newest member of the Wikinews community.</comment>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 15:56, 6 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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    <title>User talk:Pixel&amp;py</title>
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      <timestamp>2026-04-06T15:59:05Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
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      <comment>Welcoming the newest member of the Wikinews community.</comment>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 15:59, 6 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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    <title>User talk:Superdavitm</title>
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      <timestamp>2026-04-06T16:00:57Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
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      <comment>Welcoming the newest member of the Wikinews community.</comment>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 16:00, 6 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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    <title>User talk:Sreekuttz</title>
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      <timestamp>2026-04-06T16:08:49Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
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      <comment>Welcoming the newest member of the Wikinews community.</comment>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 16:08, 6 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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    <title>User talk:Vampetista</title>
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    <revision>
      <id>5005487</id>
      <timestamp>2026-04-06T16:09:24Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
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      <comment>Welcoming the newest member of the Wikinews community.</comment>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 16:09, 6 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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    <title>User talk:SR Damgude</title>
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    <revision>
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      <timestamp>2026-04-06T16:11:15Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
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      <comment>Welcoming the newest member of the Wikinews community.</comment>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 16:11, 6 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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  <page>
    <title>User talk:FloopyPoo</title>
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    <revision>
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      <timestamp>2026-04-06T16:15:58Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
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      <comment>Welcoming the newest member of the Wikinews community.</comment>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 16:15, 6 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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  <page>
    <title>User talk:João do Sudeste</title>
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    <revision>
      <id>5005491</id>
      <timestamp>2026-04-06T16:21:54Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
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      <comment>Welcoming the newest member of the Wikinews community.</comment>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 16:21, 6 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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  <page>
    <title>User talk:Riellag</title>
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    <revision>
      <id>5005493</id>
      <timestamp>2026-04-06T16:23:22Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
        <username>Wikinews Welcome</username>
        <id>183942</id>
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      <minor />
      <comment>Welcoming the newest member of the Wikinews community.</comment>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 16:23, 6 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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    <title>User talk:Agualusa do Rio</title>
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    <revision>
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      <timestamp>2026-04-06T16:24:42Z</timestamp>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 16:24, 6 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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    <title>User talk:Jiad Arabi</title>
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      <timestamp>2026-04-06T16:26:33Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
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      <comment>Welcoming the newest member of the Wikinews community.</comment>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 16:26, 6 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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    <title>User talk:Dabilopa</title>
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    <revision>
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      <timestamp>2026-04-06T16:27:12Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
        <username>Wikinews Welcome</username>
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      <comment>Welcoming the newest member of the Wikinews community.</comment>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 16:27, 6 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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  <page>
    <title>User talk:Humanistikirjailija</title>
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    <revision>
      <id>5005497</id>
      <timestamp>2026-04-06T16:29:34Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
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      <comment>Welcoming the newest member of the Wikinews community.</comment>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 16:29, 6 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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  <page>
    <title>User talk:Vikipedist Allied Mastercomputer</title>
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    <revision>
      <id>5005499</id>
      <timestamp>2026-04-06T16:47:21Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
        <username>Wikinews Welcome</username>
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      <comment>Welcoming the newest member of the Wikinews community.</comment>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 16:47, 6 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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    <title>User talk:Jomaxocigarro</title>
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      <timestamp>2026-04-06T16:50:40Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
        <username>Wikinews Welcome</username>
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      <comment>Welcoming the newest member of the Wikinews community.</comment>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 16:50, 6 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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    <title>User talk:2deivid2</title>
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    <revision>
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      <timestamp>2026-04-06T17:03:20Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
        <username>Wikinews Welcome</username>
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      <comment>Welcoming the newest member of the Wikinews community.</comment>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 17:03, 6 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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  <page>
    <title>User talk:Tonchu123</title>
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    <revision>
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      <timestamp>2026-04-06T17:07:57Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
        <username>Wikinews Welcome</username>
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      <comment>Welcoming the newest member of the Wikinews community.</comment>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 17:07, 6 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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    <title>User talk:Thornbjorn</title>
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    <revision>
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      <timestamp>2026-04-06T17:08:13Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
        <username>Wikinews Welcome</username>
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      <comment>Welcoming the newest member of the Wikinews community.</comment>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 17:08, 6 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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    <title>User talk:Rudnikow</title>
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    <revision>
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      <timestamp>2026-04-06T17:13:16Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
        <username>Wikinews Welcome</username>
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      <comment>Welcoming the newest member of the Wikinews community.</comment>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 17:13, 6 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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  <page>
    <title>User talk:محمدي الحميداوي</title>
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    <id>3089822</id>
    <revision>
      <id>5005506</id>
      <timestamp>2026-04-06T17:14:13Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
        <username>Wikinews Welcome</username>
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      <comment>Welcoming the newest member of the Wikinews community.</comment>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 17:14, 6 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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  <page>
    <title>User talk:Szigmarci</title>
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    <id>3089823</id>
    <revision>
      <id>5005507</id>
      <timestamp>2026-04-06T17:25:56Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
        <username>Wikinews Welcome</username>
        <id>183942</id>
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      <comment>Welcoming the newest member of the Wikinews community.</comment>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 17:25, 6 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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  <page>
    <title>User talk:Bloodtx1393</title>
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    <id>3089824</id>
    <revision>
      <id>5005508</id>
      <timestamp>2026-04-06T17:27:01Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
        <username>Wikinews Welcome</username>
        <id>183942</id>
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      <comment>Welcoming the newest member of the Wikinews community.</comment>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 17:27, 6 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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    <title>User talk:Wapenshaw</title>
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    <id>3089825</id>
    <revision>
      <id>5005509</id>
      <timestamp>2026-04-06T17:30:48Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
        <username>Wikinews Welcome</username>
        <id>183942</id>
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      <comment>Welcoming the newest member of the Wikinews community.</comment>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 17:30, 6 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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  <page>
    <title>User talk:Akatosh001</title>
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    <id>3089826</id>
    <revision>
      <id>5005510</id>
      <timestamp>2026-04-06T17:32:26Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
        <username>Wikinews Welcome</username>
        <id>183942</id>
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      <comment>Welcoming the newest member of the Wikinews community.</comment>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 17:32, 6 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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    <title>User talk:Linguaphonia</title>
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    <revision>
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      <timestamp>2026-04-06T17:33:26Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
        <username>Wikinews Welcome</username>
        <id>183942</id>
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      <comment>Welcoming the newest member of the Wikinews community.</comment>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 17:33, 6 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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    <title>User talk:ItsBRCK</title>
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    <revision>
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      <timestamp>2026-04-06T17:50:09Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
        <username>Wikinews Welcome</username>
        <id>183942</id>
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      <comment>Welcoming the newest member of the Wikinews community.</comment>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 17:50, 6 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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      <contributor>
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  <page>
    <title>User talk:Zemur melona</title>
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    <revision>
      <id>5005518</id>
      <timestamp>2026-04-06T18:05:07Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
        <username>Wikinews Welcome</username>
        <id>183942</id>
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      <comment>Welcoming the newest member of the Wikinews community.</comment>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 18:05, 6 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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    <title>User talk:Aopetsiam</title>
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    <revision>
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      <timestamp>2026-04-06T18:05:29Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
        <username>Wikinews Welcome</username>
        <id>183942</id>
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      <comment>Welcoming the newest member of the Wikinews community.</comment>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 18:05, 6 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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    <title>User talk:Sollarjm</title>
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    <revision>
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      <timestamp>2026-04-06T18:27:55Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
        <username>Wikinews Welcome</username>
        <id>183942</id>
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      <comment>Welcoming the newest member of the Wikinews community.</comment>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 18:27, 6 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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  <page>
    <title>User talk:இஷான் ஶ்ரீ</title>
    <ns>3</ns>
    <id>3089834</id>
    <revision>
      <id>5005521</id>
      <timestamp>2026-04-06T18:32:06Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
        <username>Wikinews Welcome</username>
        <id>183942</id>
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      <comment>Welcoming the newest member of the Wikinews community.</comment>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 18:32, 6 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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  <page>
    <title>User talk:Sputnik-Vostok-Molniya</title>
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    <id>3089835</id>
    <revision>
      <id>5005522</id>
      <timestamp>2026-04-06T18:36:48Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
        <username>Wikinews Welcome</username>
        <id>183942</id>
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      <minor />
      <comment>Welcoming the newest member of the Wikinews community.</comment>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 18:36, 6 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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  <page>
    <title>User talk:Lemniscateelamine</title>
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    <id>3089836</id>
    <revision>
      <id>5005523</id>
      <timestamp>2026-04-06T18:37:25Z</timestamp>
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    <title>User talk:Hussein 19929</title>
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      <timestamp>2026-04-06T18:37:31Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
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      <comment>Welcoming the newest member of the Wikinews community.</comment>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 18:37, 6 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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    <title>User talk:Bubbybb</title>
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    <id>3089838</id>
    <revision>
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      <timestamp>2026-04-06T18:46:12Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
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        <id>183942</id>
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      <comment>Welcoming the newest member of the Wikinews community.</comment>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 18:46, 6 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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  <page>
    <title>User talk:Theophilus Apenahier Okley</title>
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    <id>3089839</id>
    <revision>
      <id>5005526</id>
      <timestamp>2026-04-06T18:51:41Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
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        <id>183942</id>
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      <comment>Welcoming the newest member of the Wikinews community.</comment>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 18:51, 6 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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  <page>
    <title>User talk:Muzamil1212</title>
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    <id>3089840</id>
    <revision>
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      <timestamp>2026-04-06T18:53:14Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
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        <id>183942</id>
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      <comment>Welcoming the newest member of the Wikinews community.</comment>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 18:53, 6 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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      <timestamp>2026-04-06T18:53:35Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
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      <comment>Welcoming the newest member of the Wikinews community.</comment>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 18:53, 6 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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  <page>
    <title>User talk:Oliverlewis</title>
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    <revision>
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      <timestamp>2026-04-06T18:54:47Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
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      <comment>Welcoming the newest member of the Wikinews community.</comment>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 18:54, 6 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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  <page>
    <title>User talk:Rahim Diakité</title>
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    <id>3089843</id>
    <revision>
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      <timestamp>2026-04-06T19:04:26Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
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      <comment>Welcoming the newest member of the Wikinews community.</comment>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 19:04, 6 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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    <title>User talk:Ibexlady</title>
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    <id>3089844</id>
    <revision>
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      <timestamp>2026-04-06T19:07:47Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 19:07, 6 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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    <title>User talk:Kuffash</title>
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    <id>3089845</id>
    <revision>
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      <timestamp>2026-04-06T19:13:29Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
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        <id>183942</id>
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      <comment>Welcoming the newest member of the Wikinews community.</comment>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 19:13, 6 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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  <page>
    <title>User talk:Nick666Wyatt</title>
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    <id>3089846</id>
    <revision>
      <id>5005533</id>
      <timestamp>2026-04-06T19:21:25Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
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        <id>183942</id>
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      <comment>Welcoming the newest member of the Wikinews community.</comment>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 19:21, 6 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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  <page>
    <title>User talk:Vxntishh</title>
    <ns>3</ns>
    <id>3089847</id>
    <revision>
      <id>5005534</id>
      <timestamp>2026-04-06T19:22:46Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
        <username>Wikinews Welcome</username>
        <id>183942</id>
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      <comment>Welcoming the newest member of the Wikinews community.</comment>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 19:22, 6 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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  <page>
    <title>User talk:Sallarkhan0092</title>
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    <id>3089848</id>
    <revision>
      <id>5005538</id>
      <timestamp>2026-04-06T19:29:49Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
        <username>Wikinews Welcome</username>
        <id>183942</id>
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      <comment>Welcoming the newest member of the Wikinews community.</comment>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 19:29, 6 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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  <page>
    <title>User talk:Masterr Necromant</title>
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    <id>3089849</id>
    <revision>
      <id>5005539</id>
      <timestamp>2026-04-06T19:31:19Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
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        <id>183942</id>
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      <comment>Welcoming the newest member of the Wikinews community.</comment>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 19:31, 6 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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    <title>User talk:Bokoness</title>
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    <revision>
      <id>5005543</id>
      <timestamp>2026-04-06T19:43:18Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
        <username>Wikinews Welcome</username>
        <id>183942</id>
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      <comment>Welcoming the newest member of the Wikinews community.</comment>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 19:43, 6 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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  <page>
    <title>User talk:Wftlife</title>
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    <revision>
      <id>5005544</id>
      <timestamp>2026-04-06T19:50:45Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
        <username>Wikinews Welcome</username>
        <id>183942</id>
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      <comment>Welcoming the newest member of the Wikinews community.</comment>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 19:50, 6 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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  <page>
    <title>User talk:Maeve kb</title>
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    <revision>
      <id>5005545</id>
      <timestamp>2026-04-06T20:02:07Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
        <username>Wikinews Welcome</username>
        <id>183942</id>
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      <comment>Welcoming the newest member of the Wikinews community.</comment>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 20:02, 6 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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  <page>
    <title>User talk:Ben Aor d'Hur</title>
    <ns>3</ns>
    <id>3089853</id>
    <revision>
      <id>5005546</id>
      <timestamp>2026-04-06T20:03:36Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
        <username>Wikinews Welcome</username>
        <id>183942</id>
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      <comment>Welcoming the newest member of the Wikinews community.</comment>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 20:03, 6 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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  <page>
    <title>User talk:Mrfms</title>
    <ns>3</ns>
    <id>3089854</id>
    <revision>
      <id>5005547</id>
      <timestamp>2026-04-06T20:09:59Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
        <username>Wikinews Welcome</username>
        <id>183942</id>
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      <minor />
      <comment>Welcoming the newest member of the Wikinews community.</comment>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 20:09, 6 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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    <title>User talk:ResearcherXY</title>
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    <id>3089855</id>
    <revision>
      <id>5005548</id>
      <timestamp>2026-04-06T20:27:21Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
        <username>Wikinews Welcome</username>
        <id>183942</id>
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      <comment>Welcoming the newest member of the Wikinews community.</comment>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 20:27, 6 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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  <page>
    <title>User talk:Xian.n n</title>
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    <id>3089856</id>
    <revision>
      <id>5005549</id>
      <timestamp>2026-04-06T20:35:15Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
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        <id>183942</id>
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      <comment>Welcoming the newest member of the Wikinews community.</comment>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 20:35, 6 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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  <page>
    <title>User talk:Hatifnatka</title>
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    <id>3089857</id>
    <revision>
      <id>5005552</id>
      <timestamp>2026-04-06T20:42:04Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
        <username>Wikinews Welcome</username>
        <id>183942</id>
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      <comment>Welcoming the newest member of the Wikinews community.</comment>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 20:42, 6 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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  <page>
    <title>User talk:TerraPKM</title>
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    <id>3089858</id>
    <revision>
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      <timestamp>2026-04-06T20:43:12Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
        <username>Wikinews Welcome</username>
        <id>183942</id>
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      <comment>Welcoming the newest member of the Wikinews community.</comment>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 20:43, 6 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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    <title>Supreme Court of Finland convicts religious leaders of inciting crimes against humanity</title>
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      <timestamp>2026-04-06T20:43:50Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
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      <comment>Justthefacts moved page [[Supreme Court of Finland convicts religious leaders of inciting crimes against humanity]] to [[Supreme Court of Finland convicts Christians of crimes against humanity in landmark ruling]]: Per [[Talk:Supreme Court of Finland convicts Christians of crimes against humanity in landmark ruling#c-Justthefacts-20260406204100-Headline|this note]].</comment>
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== Bio-data  ==

Atuheire Kenneth was born on 01/April 1982
From Nyamihanga cell at place called kabonero.found in Nyakasiru parish, Bukinda sub county, Rukiga district which was curved out Kabale district.
I studied by primary at Nyakasiru primary school,St Paul's Bukinda secondary and Rwasasi senior secondary School in Rukiga and kabale districts.I studied A level at Bishop Ruhindi kebisoni high School in Rukungiri district.
In 2009 I joined NTC-kabale for diploma in education,In 2018 I joined Uganda Christian University's -Bishop barham college for bachelor of education and 2021 I joined UCU-Bishop Barham college for Masters in education.
I hold other certifications besied education in business management and computer science 
I work with many schools including;Kyogo ss, St Mark on Rukiga district, katerera comprehensive high school in Rubirizi district,Kagunga seed secondary School, St Francis buhunga high School, Rukungiri high school, Rukungiri Central secondary School, Bishop Ruhindi kebisoni high all in Rukungiri district and Nyakishojwa secondary School in mitooma district.
Education has given me light to see far since my home back ground was not good and was unknown but currently it ammong the proudest villages with 90% literate rate.
Currently am greatly engaging youth in my vilplage to do income generataing activities like onion growing, potato growing and animal grazing time them from poverty to prosperity through engagement.
This will hopefully help them to earn income and control them from seeking jobs which is not there.many have managed to start some business along side farming to earn extra income. [[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-21348-33|&amp;#126;2026-21348-33]] ([[User talk:&amp;#126;2026-21348-33|talk]]) 22:26, 6 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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''The cavernous, high-end retail space is buzzing. Soft jazz plays over the PA. CUSTOMERS are testing guitars. {{w|Chuck Surack|CHUCK SURACK}} (60s, dressed impeccably in a company branded polo) walks through the main aisle, nodding at employees. He is the picture of the successful, hands-on founder.
He passes a gleaming display of custom shop Fender Strats.''&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;
CHUCK: (To a passing sales engineer) Keep an eye on the humidity in that case, Kevin. Mahogany doesn't like this air conditioning.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;
KEVIN: Absolutely, Chuck. On it.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;
Chuck continues walking, smiling, chatting. He’s looking upward, gesturing toward the high ceilings.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;
CHUCK: You know, 40 years ago, this was just a VW bus. Now? A billion-dollar music paradise. It's about—&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;
''Chuck’s right foot lands in a large, dark, viscous puddle near the acoustic guitar room. SLIP. Chuck’s legs fly upward. He goes down hard, landing with a sickening, wet slap, sliding three feet on his back in the mess before stopping. Silence falls over the immediate area. Customers stare. Chuck, stunned, tries to sit up, his hands covered in the vile substance. He looks down at his shirt—now brown and yellow.''&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;
CHUCK: (Voice trembling) What in the... What is this?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;
''A young SALES ENGINEER rushes over, horrified.''&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;
SALES ENGINEER: Oh my god. Oh my god! Chuck!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;
CHUCK: (Raging, trying to stand up but slipping again) Get this—get this stuff off me! Who was in charge of sanitation today? This is &quot;The Sweetwater Difference&quot;? This is a lawsuit!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 22:29, 6 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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  <page>
    <title>User talk:SerKon0s</title>
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    <revision>
      <id>5005603</id>
      <timestamp>2026-04-06T22:53:13Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
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      <comment>Welcoming the newest member of the Wikinews community.</comment>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 22:53, 6 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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  <page>
    <title>User talk:Jamie4jdornan</title>
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    <id>3089881</id>
    <revision>
      <id>5005604</id>
      <timestamp>2026-04-06T23:01:42Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
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      <comment>Welcoming the newest member of the Wikinews community.</comment>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 23:01, 6 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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  <page>
    <title>User talk:Lucas MSC</title>
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    <revision>
      <id>5005605</id>
      <timestamp>2026-04-06T23:02:44Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
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      <comment>Welcoming the newest member of the Wikinews community.</comment>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 23:02, 6 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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  <page>
    <title>User talk:Arberomeri</title>
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    <revision>
      <id>5005606</id>
      <timestamp>2026-04-06T23:06:50Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
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      <comment>Welcoming the newest member of the Wikinews community.</comment>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 23:06, 6 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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  <page>
    <title>User talk:Pikszie</title>
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    <revision>
      <id>5005608</id>
      <timestamp>2026-04-06T23:12:46Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
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      <comment>Welcoming the newest member of the Wikinews community.</comment>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 23:12, 6 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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  <page>
    <title>User talk:Pirsuslu34</title>
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    <id>3089885</id>
    <revision>
      <id>5005609</id>
      <timestamp>2026-04-06T23:20:48Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
        <username>Wikinews Welcome</username>
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      <comment>Welcoming the newest member of the Wikinews community.</comment>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 23:20, 6 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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  <page>
    <title>User talk:Opal Obskydian</title>
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    <id>3089886</id>
    <revision>
      <id>5005610</id>
      <timestamp>2026-04-06T23:38:56Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
        <username>Wikinews Welcome</username>
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      <comment>Welcoming the newest member of the Wikinews community.</comment>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 23:38, 6 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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  <page>
    <title>User talk:IDTedium!</title>
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    <revision>
      <id>5005611</id>
      <timestamp>2026-04-06T23:41:02Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
        <username>Wikinews Welcome</username>
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      <comment>Welcoming the newest member of the Wikinews community.</comment>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 23:41, 6 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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  <page>
    <title>User talk:Vegassecretz</title>
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    <id>3089888</id>
    <revision>
      <id>5005612</id>
      <timestamp>2026-04-06T23:45:16Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
        <username>Wikinews Welcome</username>
        <id>183942</id>
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      <comment>Welcoming the newest member of the Wikinews community.</comment>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 23:45, 6 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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  <page>
    <title>User talk:Ramsesanes</title>
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    <id>3089889</id>
    <revision>
      <id>5005613</id>
      <timestamp>2026-04-06T23:52:56Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
        <username>Wikinews Welcome</username>
        <id>183942</id>
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      <comment>Welcoming the newest member of the Wikinews community.</comment>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 23:52, 6 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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  <page>
    <title>User talk:Cigarettemourning</title>
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    <id>3089890</id>
    <revision>
      <id>5005614</id>
      <timestamp>2026-04-06T23:59:14Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
        <username>Wikinews Welcome</username>
        <id>183942</id>
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      <comment>Welcoming the newest member of the Wikinews community.</comment>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 23:59, 6 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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  <page>
    <title>User talk:Anyanwu Eustace Ozioma</title>
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    <id>3089891</id>
    <revision>
      <id>5005616</id>
      <timestamp>2026-04-07T00:30:15Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
        <username>Wikinews Welcome</username>
        <id>183942</id>
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      <comment>Welcoming the newest member of the Wikinews community.</comment>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 00:30, 7 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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  <page>
    <title>User talk:Lucypteryx</title>
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    <id>3089892</id>
    <revision>
      <id>5005617</id>
      <timestamp>2026-04-07T00:32:57Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
        <username>Wikinews Welcome</username>
        <id>183942</id>
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      <comment>Welcoming the newest member of the Wikinews community.</comment>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 00:32, 7 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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  <page>
    <title>User talk:Josué Rubén Serrano</title>
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    <id>3089893</id>
    <revision>
      <id>5005618</id>
      <timestamp>2026-04-07T00:44:29Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
        <username>Wikinews Welcome</username>
        <id>183942</id>
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      <comment>Welcoming the newest member of the Wikinews community.</comment>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 00:44, 7 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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  <page>
    <title>User talk:Sizzie129</title>
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    <id>3089894</id>
    <revision>
      <id>5005619</id>
      <timestamp>2026-04-07T00:52:48Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
        <username>Wikinews Welcome</username>
        <id>183942</id>
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      <comment>Welcoming the newest member of the Wikinews community.</comment>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 00:52, 7 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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  <page>
    <title>User talk:Ernalve</title>
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    <id>3089895</id>
    <revision>
      <id>5005620</id>
      <timestamp>2026-04-07T01:09:55Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
        <username>Wikinews Welcome</username>
        <id>183942</id>
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      <comment>Welcoming the newest member of the Wikinews community.</comment>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 01:09, 7 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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  <page>
    <title>User talk:ParadoxicalMan</title>
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    <revision>
      <id>5005621</id>
      <timestamp>2026-04-07T01:10:19Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
        <username>Wikinews Welcome</username>
        <id>183942</id>
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      <minor />
      <comment>Welcoming the newest member of the Wikinews community.</comment>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 01:10, 7 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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  <page>
    <title>User talk:WikiDocDev</title>
    <ns>3</ns>
    <id>3089897</id>
    <revision>
      <id>5005622</id>
      <timestamp>2026-04-07T01:24:34Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
        <username>Wikinews Welcome</username>
        <id>183942</id>
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      <comment>Welcoming the newest member of the Wikinews community.</comment>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 01:24, 7 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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  <page>
    <title>User talk:Abramius</title>
    <ns>3</ns>
    <id>3089898</id>
    <revision>
      <id>5005623</id>
      <timestamp>2026-04-07T01:24:41Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
        <username>Wikinews Welcome</username>
        <id>183942</id>
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      <minor />
      <comment>Welcoming the newest member of the Wikinews community.</comment>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 01:24, 7 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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  <page>
    <title>User talk:BP888</title>
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    <id>3089899</id>
    <revision>
      <id>5005624</id>
      <timestamp>2026-04-07T01:43:23Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
        <username>Wikinews Welcome</username>
        <id>183942</id>
      </contributor>
      <minor />
      <comment>Welcoming the newest member of the Wikinews community.</comment>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 01:43, 7 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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  <page>
    <title>User talk:The Yuri Audiophile</title>
    <ns>3</ns>
    <id>3089900</id>
    <revision>
      <id>5005625</id>
      <timestamp>2026-04-07T01:44:10Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
        <username>Wikinews Welcome</username>
        <id>183942</id>
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      <minor />
      <comment>Welcoming the newest member of the Wikinews community.</comment>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 01:44, 7 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
      <sha1>nkiq0c7gqylkhh1cb0q2q8qz4fmzkb2</sha1>
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  <page>
    <title>User talk:Afs-yhwh</title>
    <ns>3</ns>
    <id>3089901</id>
    <revision>
      <id>5005626</id>
      <timestamp>2026-04-07T02:15:16Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
        <username>Wikinews Welcome</username>
        <id>183942</id>
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      <minor />
      <comment>Welcoming the newest member of the Wikinews community.</comment>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 02:15, 7 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
      <sha1>9xhwc8i5flt0sl58xw1nf4qptalk1cn</sha1>
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  <page>
    <title>User talk:X·ycz</title>
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    <id>3089902</id>
    <revision>
      <id>5005627</id>
      <timestamp>2026-04-07T02:20:12Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
        <username>Wikinews Welcome</username>
        <id>183942</id>
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      <minor />
      <comment>Welcoming the newest member of the Wikinews community.</comment>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 02:20, 7 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
      <sha1>0cvyvrx95b4yy14yelkndvspmqbf46f</sha1>
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  </page>
  <page>
    <title>User talk:Jankyber</title>
    <ns>3</ns>
    <id>3089903</id>
    <revision>
      <id>5005628</id>
      <timestamp>2026-04-07T02:20:36Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
        <username>Wikinews Welcome</username>
        <id>183942</id>
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== Sources? ==

This is a 'policy' question, not an 'opinion' question: &quot;Newsworthiness&quot; and &quot;acceptable sources&quot;....... OR source notes and a single post on Instagram -- are we calling that acceptable for ''2 sources'' now?--[[User:Bddpaux|Bddpaux]] ([[User talk:Bddpaux|talk]]) 18:28, 6 March 2026 (UTC)

:Hi [[User:Bddpaux|Bddpaux]], 
:* bit hard to say without example, 
:* I think they are two sources if the two pieces of content came from different people. If Jane Smith posts on instagram and then the same Jane Smith provides OR source notes on-wiki, then it's a single source.
:* Also, if the reporter providing OR notes is a different person, you'd maybe want to ensure their OR notes come from 'something else' and not from a copy/paste of an Instagram page that they have read.
:Hope this is helpful. Happy to discuss this further if desired. Regards, -- [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 10:05, 7 March 2026 (UTC)
:If you're referring to a recent piece I was involved with, I had other sources, but they were also on social media because of the nature of the event, and didn't add any useful information. This actually raises an interesting question my mind, for stories like some I have been covering (because it was suggested to me), or @[[User:Bddpaux|Bddpaux]]' [[Wikinews attends Veterans Day event in Texas, United States]], what kind of article are these actually? They largely center around the OR and simply need a source to confirm that they occurred, and feel philosophically closer to being interviews. Do others have thoughts? [[User:Tduk|Tduk]] ([[User talk:Tduk|talk]]) 10:52, 7 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Yes -- that is exactly what I am referencing. But: I don't (personally) '''have the slightest problem with it.''' I was just wondering if policy really addresses the &quot;weight&quot; of certain sources. To clarify: On my Veteran's day event article -- loads of my OR stuff historically has been = 1. I was there and did some stuff and wrote down some stuff. and 2. See? Another media source also wrote some stuff kind of pertaining to that thing as well. And to further it a bit: Interviews are fabulous! They are the foundation of much of our best OR. &quot;Newsworthiness&quot; can (in rare instances) be a bit tricky -- but there are work arounds for that stuff. If I plopped down at a coffee shop today, and started interviewing a Vietnam vet, that interview ''might'' be newsworthy -- am I publishing around Veterans Day? Did that veteran engage is some really special actions? Do they have hair raising stories? Have they never been interviewed before?
I actually had to be reminded recently (I'd missed a beat on an article) that the ''focal event'' must have 2 sources (noted in policy).--[[User:Bddpaux|Bddpaux]] ([[User talk:Bddpaux|talk]]) 19:18, 7 March 2026 (UTC)
::For OR I was thinking one or two sources confirming the event occurred is sufficient. Other information got to be supported by reporter's notes. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 11:28, 7 March 2026 (UTC)</text>
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== Request for unblock ==

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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 05:32, 7 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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  <page>
    <title>User talk:Programminformationsdienst</title>
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      <timestamp>2026-04-07T05:32:03Z</timestamp>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 05:32, 7 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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  <page>
    <title>User talk:Psullu2</title>
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    <id>3089926</id>
    <revision>
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      <timestamp>2026-04-07T05:32:07Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
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      <comment>Welcoming the newest member of the Wikinews community.</comment>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 05:32, 7 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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  <page>
    <title>User talk:Jakub Kostewicz</title>
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    <id>3089927</id>
    <revision>
      <id>5005661</id>
      <timestamp>2026-04-07T06:20:48Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
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      <comment>Welcoming the newest member of the Wikinews community.</comment>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 06:20, 7 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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  <page>
    <title>User talk:GAMOEI NATAKA</title>
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    <id>3089928</id>
    <revision>
      <id>5005662</id>
      <timestamp>2026-04-07T06:23:05Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
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      <comment>Welcoming the newest member of the Wikinews community.</comment>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 06:23, 7 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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  <page>
    <title>User talk:Adavison219</title>
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    <id>3089929</id>
    <revision>
      <id>5005664</id>
      <timestamp>2026-04-07T07:01:35Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
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      <comment>Welcoming the newest member of the Wikinews community.</comment>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 07:01, 7 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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  <page>
    <title>User talk:Ionut8400</title>
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    <id>3089930</id>
    <revision>
      <id>5005665</id>
      <timestamp>2026-04-07T07:14:17Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
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      <comment>Welcoming the newest member of the Wikinews community.</comment>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 07:14, 7 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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  <page>
    <title>User talk:Albinostream</title>
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    <id>3089931</id>
    <revision>
      <id>5005666</id>
      <timestamp>2026-04-07T07:21:38Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
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      <comment>Welcoming the newest member of the Wikinews community.</comment>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 07:21, 7 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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  <page>
    <title>User talk:Givoz</title>
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    <id>3089932</id>
    <revision>
      <id>5005667</id>
      <timestamp>2026-04-07T07:26:56Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
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      <comment>Welcoming the newest member of the Wikinews community.</comment>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 07:26, 7 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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  <page>
    <title>User talk:Fernisbald</title>
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    <id>3089933</id>
    <revision>
      <id>5005668</id>
      <timestamp>2026-04-07T07:28:25Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
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      <comment>Welcoming the newest member of the Wikinews community.</comment>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 07:28, 7 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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  <page>
    <title>User talk:Achronian</title>
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    <id>3089934</id>
    <revision>
      <id>5005669</id>
      <timestamp>2026-04-07T07:32:44Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
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      <comment>Welcoming the newest member of the Wikinews community.</comment>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 07:32, 7 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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  <page>
    <title>User talk:Nullrend</title>
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    <id>3089935</id>
    <revision>
      <id>5005670</id>
      <timestamp>2026-04-07T07:41:16Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
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        <id>183942</id>
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      <comment>Welcoming the newest member of the Wikinews community.</comment>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 07:41, 7 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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  <page>
    <title>User talk:Liwuxin1</title>
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    <id>3089936</id>
    <revision>
      <id>5005671</id>
      <timestamp>2026-04-07T07:43:29Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
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      <comment>Welcoming the newest member of the Wikinews community.</comment>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 07:43, 7 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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  <page>
    <title>User talk:Guido Luciani</title>
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    <id>3089937</id>
    <revision>
      <id>5005672</id>
      <timestamp>2026-04-07T07:51:11Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
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      <comment>Welcoming the newest member of the Wikinews community.</comment>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 07:51, 7 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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  <page>
    <title>User talk:LS971Forever</title>
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    <id>3089938</id>
    <revision>
      <id>5005673</id>
      <timestamp>2026-04-07T07:52:17Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
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      <comment>Welcoming the newest member of the Wikinews community.</comment>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 07:52, 7 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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  <page>
    <title>User talk:Amacheque Jonathan</title>
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    <id>3089939</id>
    <revision>
      <id>5005674</id>
      <timestamp>2026-04-07T08:06:58Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
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        <id>183942</id>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 08:06, 7 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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  <page>
    <title>User talk:Bhumika khandelwal</title>
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    <id>3089940</id>
    <revision>
      <id>5005676</id>
      <timestamp>2026-04-07T08:26:19Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
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        <id>183942</id>
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      <comment>Welcoming the newest member of the Wikinews community.</comment>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 08:26, 7 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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  <page>
    <title>User talk:Lovedonia</title>
    <ns>3</ns>
    <id>3089941</id>
    <revision>
      <id>5005677</id>
      <timestamp>2026-04-07T08:28:31Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
        <username>Wikinews Welcome</username>
        <id>183942</id>
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      <comment>Welcoming the newest member of the Wikinews community.</comment>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 08:28, 7 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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  <page>
    <title>User talk:Roborbiobbi</title>
    <ns>3</ns>
    <id>3089942</id>
    <revision>
      <id>5005678</id>
      <timestamp>2026-04-07T08:40:43Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
        <username>Wikinews Welcome</username>
        <id>183942</id>
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      <comment>Welcoming the newest member of the Wikinews community.</comment>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 08:40, 7 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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  <page>
    <title>User talk:Cosmoshark</title>
    <ns>3</ns>
    <id>3089943</id>
    <revision>
      <id>5005679</id>
      <timestamp>2026-04-07T08:45:58Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
        <username>Wikinews Welcome</username>
        <id>183942</id>
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      <comment>Welcoming the newest member of the Wikinews community.</comment>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 08:45, 7 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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  <page>
    <title>User talk:Level3Registered4Life</title>
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    <id>3089944</id>
    <revision>
      <id>5005680</id>
      <timestamp>2026-04-07T08:55:17Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
        <username>Wikinews Welcome</username>
        <id>183942</id>
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      <minor />
      <comment>Welcoming the newest member of the Wikinews community.</comment>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 08:55, 7 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
      <sha1>ljri7ic6q0ppncqgn2fvdnk2z2t4m6n</sha1>
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  <page>
    <title>User talk:Axeaccused</title>
    <ns>3</ns>
    <id>3089945</id>
    <revision>
      <id>5005681</id>
      <timestamp>2026-04-07T08:56:35Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
        <username>Wikinews Welcome</username>
        <id>183942</id>
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      <comment>Welcoming the newest member of the Wikinews community.</comment>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 08:56, 7 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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  <page>
    <title>User talk:Agent37.2</title>
    <ns>3</ns>
    <id>3089946</id>
    <revision>
      <id>5005682</id>
      <timestamp>2026-04-07T08:59:58Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
        <username>Wikinews Welcome</username>
        <id>183942</id>
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      <comment>Welcoming the newest member of the Wikinews community.</comment>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 08:59, 7 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
      <sha1>f6tajflxp7lfbxj6f07l2g4y3oj258m</sha1>
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  <page>
    <title>User talk:Aliuopeyemi008</title>
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    <id>3089947</id>
    <revision>
      <id>5005683</id>
      <timestamp>2026-04-07T09:00:12Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
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        <id>183942</id>
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      <comment>Welcoming the newest member of the Wikinews community.</comment>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 09:00, 7 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
      <sha1>l9xt3b6gvjyxmyoxhocp0w1x3d11uat</sha1>
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  <page>
    <title>User talk:Pisjaq</title>
    <ns>3</ns>
    <id>3089948</id>
    <revision>
      <id>5005684</id>
      <timestamp>2026-04-07T09:20:02Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
        <username>Wikinews Welcome</username>
        <id>183942</id>
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      <minor />
      <comment>Welcoming the newest member of the Wikinews community.</comment>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 09:20, 7 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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  <page>
    <title>User talk:Pepfl62</title>
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    <revision>
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      <timestamp>2026-04-07T09:28:26Z</timestamp>
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      <comment>Welcoming the newest member of the Wikinews community.</comment>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 09:28, 7 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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  <page>
    <title>User talk:Ashuuize</title>
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    <revision>
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      <timestamp>2026-04-07T09:30:56Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
        <username>Wikinews Welcome</username>
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      <comment>Welcoming the newest member of the Wikinews community.</comment>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 09:30, 7 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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  <page>
    <title>User talk:Charlotte56768965787!</title>
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    <id>3089954</id>
    <revision>
      <id>5005691</id>
      <timestamp>2026-04-07T09:34:57Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
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      <comment>Welcoming the newest member of the Wikinews community.</comment>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 09:34, 7 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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  <page>
    <title>User talk:AgonyJoker</title>
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    <id>3089956</id>
    <revision>
      <id>5005693</id>
      <timestamp>2026-04-07T09:39:05Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
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      <comment>Welcoming the newest member of the Wikinews community.</comment>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 09:39, 7 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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  <page>
    <title>User talk:Vlamer editor</title>
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    <id>3089957</id>
    <revision>
      <id>5005694</id>
      <timestamp>2026-04-07T09:39:05Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
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      <comment>Welcoming the newest member of the Wikinews community.</comment>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 09:39, 7 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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  <page>
    <title>User talk:Prakash Pandey Akash</title>
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    <id>3089958</id>
    <revision>
      <id>5005695</id>
      <timestamp>2026-04-07T09:41:33Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 09:41, 7 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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  <page>
    <title>User talk:ConCreature</title>
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    <revision>
      <id>5005698</id>
      <timestamp>2026-04-07T09:52:20Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
        <username>Wikinews Welcome</username>
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      <comment>Welcoming the newest member of the Wikinews community.</comment>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 09:52, 7 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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  <page>
    <title>User talk:Dbtk5959</title>
    <ns>3</ns>
    <id>3089961</id>
    <revision>
      <id>5005699</id>
      <timestamp>2026-04-07T09:52:53Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
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      <comment>Welcoming the newest member of the Wikinews community.</comment>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 09:52, 7 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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  <page>
    <title>User talk:Chukwu emeka manpassman</title>
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    <id>3089962</id>
    <revision>
      <id>5005700</id>
      <timestamp>2026-04-07T09:54:50Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
        <username>Wikinews Welcome</username>
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      <comment>Welcoming the newest member of the Wikinews community.</comment>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 09:54, 7 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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  <page>
    <title>User talk:Wisterietree</title>
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    <id>3089963</id>
    <revision>
      <id>5005701</id>
      <timestamp>2026-04-07T09:58:45Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
        <username>Wikinews Welcome</username>
        <id>183942</id>
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      <comment>Welcoming the newest member of the Wikinews community.</comment>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 09:58, 7 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
      <sha1>5vdciijunbas3dxebs0s3q2fvez9wwt</sha1>
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  <page>
    <title>User talk:Klektoflakto</title>
    <ns>3</ns>
    <id>3089965</id>
    <revision>
      <id>5005703</id>
      <timestamp>2026-04-07T09:59:27Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
        <username>Wikinews Welcome</username>
        <id>183942</id>
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      <comment>Welcoming the newest member of the Wikinews community.</comment>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 09:59, 7 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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  <page>
    <title>User talk:Qwerli444</title>
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    <id>3089966</id>
    <revision>
      <id>5005704</id>
      <timestamp>2026-04-07T10:06:02Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
        <username>Wikinews Welcome</username>
        <id>183942</id>
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      <comment>Welcoming the newest member of the Wikinews community.</comment>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 10:06, 7 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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  <page>
    <title>User talk:Nosteco</title>
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    <id>3089967</id>
    <revision>
      <id>5005705</id>
      <timestamp>2026-04-07T10:08:56Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
        <username>Wikinews Welcome</username>
        <id>183942</id>
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      <comment>Welcoming the newest member of the Wikinews community.</comment>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 10:08, 7 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
      <sha1>it6hru5gtoo7c03hmehepk0mikwrztq</sha1>
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  <page>
    <title>User talk:MOMINUL Islam ArBi</title>
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    <id>3089970</id>
    <revision>
      <id>5005708</id>
      <timestamp>2026-04-07T10:26:48Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
        <username>Wikinews Welcome</username>
        <id>183942</id>
      </contributor>
      <minor />
      <comment>Welcoming the newest member of the Wikinews community.</comment>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 10:26, 7 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
      <sha1>q8ah4h9r6wlgq27vijhhlutuevy4wtx</sha1>
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  <page>
    <title>User talk:Chib23</title>
    <ns>3</ns>
    <id>3089971</id>
    <revision>
      <id>5005709</id>
      <timestamp>2026-04-07T10:30:11Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
        <username>Wikinews Welcome</username>
        <id>183942</id>
      </contributor>
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      <comment>Welcoming the newest member of the Wikinews community.</comment>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 10:30, 7 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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  <page>
    <title>User talk:Ysh agrawqt</title>
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    <id>3089972</id>
    <revision>
      <id>5005710</id>
      <timestamp>2026-04-07T10:31:29Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
        <username>Wikinews Welcome</username>
        <id>183942</id>
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      <comment>Welcoming the newest member of the Wikinews community.</comment>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 10:31, 7 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
      <sha1>jgimdw9yk0wlonuaj8fksr7mifmge22</sha1>
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  <page>
    <title>User talk:Ashokreddy2007</title>
    <ns>3</ns>
    <id>3089973</id>
    <revision>
      <id>5005711</id>
      <timestamp>2026-04-07T10:45:22Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
        <username>Wikinews Welcome</username>
        <id>183942</id>
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      <comment>Welcoming the newest member of the Wikinews community.</comment>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 10:45, 7 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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  <page>
    <title>User talk:Tijnhistory17</title>
    <ns>3</ns>
    <id>3089974</id>
    <revision>
      <id>5005712</id>
      <timestamp>2026-04-07T11:06:44Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
        <username>Wikinews Welcome</username>
        <id>183942</id>
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      <comment>Welcoming the newest member of the Wikinews community.</comment>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 11:06, 7 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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  <page>
    <title>User talk:Albert Valiakhmetov</title>
    <ns>3</ns>
    <id>3089975</id>
    <revision>
      <id>5005713</id>
      <timestamp>2026-04-07T11:14:49Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
        <username>Wikinews Welcome</username>
        <id>183942</id>
      </contributor>
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      <comment>Welcoming the newest member of the Wikinews community.</comment>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 11:14, 7 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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  <page>
    <title>User talk:RatFactory</title>
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    <id>3089976</id>
    <revision>
      <id>5005714</id>
      <timestamp>2026-04-07T11:18:57Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
        <username>Wikinews Welcome</username>
        <id>183942</id>
      </contributor>
      <minor />
      <comment>Welcoming the newest member of the Wikinews community.</comment>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 11:18, 7 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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  <page>
    <title>User talk:Z4aiQn</title>
    <ns>3</ns>
    <id>3089977</id>
    <revision>
      <id>5005715</id>
      <timestamp>2026-04-07T11:24:07Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
        <username>Wikinews Welcome</username>
        <id>183942</id>
      </contributor>
      <minor />
      <comment>Welcoming the newest member of the Wikinews community.</comment>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 11:24, 7 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
      <sha1>sxjhl4nh6ls1dsvvl42xqtikuty1th6</sha1>
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  <page>
    <title>User talk:Mputujose</title>
    <ns>3</ns>
    <id>3089978</id>
    <revision>
      <id>5005716</id>
      <timestamp>2026-04-07T11:29:11Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
        <username>Wikinews Welcome</username>
        <id>183942</id>
      </contributor>
      <minor />
      <comment>Welcoming the newest member of the Wikinews community.</comment>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 11:29, 7 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
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  <page>
    <title>User talk:Twenty4thPrisma</title>
    <ns>3</ns>
    <id>3089979</id>
    <revision>
      <id>5005717</id>
      <timestamp>2026-04-07T11:29:43Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
        <username>Wikinews Welcome</username>
        <id>183942</id>
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      <minor />
      <comment>Welcoming the newest member of the Wikinews community.</comment>
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-- [[User:Wikinews Welcome|Wikinews Welcome]] ([[User talk:Wikinews Welcome|talk]]) 11:29, 7 April 2026 (UTC)</text>
      <sha1>cfqoo2fd3oryq9vpolqekm7uejmbl2i</sha1>
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  <page>
    <title>User talk:Mesfin68</title>
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    <id>3089980</id>
    <revision>
      <id>5005718</id>
      <timestamp>2026-04-07T11:31:08Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
        <username>Wikinews Welcome</username>
        <id>183942</id>
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      <minor />
      <comment>Welcoming the newest member of the Wikinews community.</comment>
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