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In cooperation with the U4C -- <section end="announcement-content" /> </div> <div lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr"> [[m:User:Keegan (WMF)|Keegan (WMF)]] ([[m:User talk:Keegan (WMF)|talk]]) 03:41, 29 Aprilis 2025 (UTC)</div> <!-- Message sent by User:Keegan (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Distribution_list/Global_message_delivery&oldid=28618011 --> == Toggling special characters such as ſ (long s) == On EN wikisource, they have a template <nowiki>{{longs}}</nowiki> to produce ''ſ'' on the transcription page, and by default, ''s'' on the ebook page. users on EN WS can toggle these on and off. In this book, [[:la:Liber:Nicolaus Machiavellus De Principe.pdf|''De principe'']], there are a number of unusual characters that could do with toggling: ''ſ (s); ß (ss); ẽ (en / em) ũ (un / um) æ (ae) ę (ae) õ (on / om) ã (an / am) œ (oe)''. ([[:formula:ls]] already exists here for ſ, and some other characters semi-implemented at [[:Categoria:Formulae litterarum]] but the toggling is not switched on.) In order to implement this: (1) What would LA WiCategoria:Formulae litterarumkisource need to enable for user toggling of special characters? (2) Who would I contact (assuming this is an admin task)? [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 10:06, 29 Aprilis 2025 (UTC) :It looks like it would need this installing, as a start: [[:en:MediaWiki:Gadget-Visibility.js|MediaWiki:Gadget-Visibility.js]] [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 11:13, 29 Aprilis 2025 (UTC) :{{ping|OrbiliusMagister}} as the only active magister! --[[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 11:16, 29 Aprilis 2025 (UTC) :{{ping|SZC 03}} in case you have an opinion (you made changes at the De Pricipia transcription project which we could implement better with this toggle feature). [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 07:31, 30 Aprilis 2025 (UTC) ::I would like to point out that not all of the listed characters are of the same kind: ::* ſ is a variant of s; ::* ß, æ and œ are [[:w:en:Ligature (writing)|ligatures]] of ſs, ae and oe respectively ([[:w:en:E caudata|ę]] can represent both ae or oe); ::* ã, ẽ, õ, ũ are used to indicate [[:w:en:Scribal abbreviation|abbreviations]]. ::Personally I think it would be somewhat useful to implement the toggle feature only for æ and œ, since of all the ligatures they are the only ones that carry some meaning (that ae or oe in that word is a diphthong) and the only ones that easily show up in search results and correctly displayed in web-browsers. ::Note that both English and Italian wikisources in their transcription guidelines take in consideration the ability of both modern readers and search engines to correctly interpret the character shown (see [[:en:Wikisource:Style guide/Orthography]] and [[:it:Wikisource:Convenzioni di trascrizione]]). Though it would be useful to write rules specific to the Latin wikisource. ::I hope these considerations were of any help. [[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:SZC 03|disputatio]]) 07:58, 3 Maii 2025 (UTC) ::In regards to the [[Liber:Nicolaus Machiavellus De Principe.pdf|''De principe'']] it would be appropriate to encode the text in a way that we do not lose your work of accurately transcribing the above characters, while still showing to the end user a normalized form. My edit was trying to achieve this with the templates currently in wikisource. ::From a technical standpoint, it would be useful to have a general template not specific to any character that could be used both in ''ad hoc'' situations, and in creating other templates. ::Also if such a template is created for abbreviations it should behave differently from the long s and ligatures, since 1) the text displayed is context dependent, and 2) it is common use in diplomatic transcriptions to show the abbreviated characters in parentheses (so I were taught in paleography class). ::To give an example of point 2 from the text ([[Pagina:Nicolaus_Machiavellus_De_Principe.pdf/69|page 45]], line 11): ::Original text: Iãq́ꝫ ::Diplomatic transcription: Ia(m)q(ue) ::Standard transcription: Iamque ::I’m sorry for the lengthy comments. [[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:SZC 03|disputatio]]) 11:02, 3 Maii 2025 (UTC) :::I agree something adhoc would be helpful. The template would need to specify :::* the text as-is and :::* the modernised version :::and hopefully there would be a system to pick up which to display. :::In terms of the display: this could be the js system, perhaps adapted, that we have on en.ws, or possibly it could be an adjustment to the page templates set up, to allow two different books, or sets of pages, to be presented. This would have the advantage that exports would facilitate both (IDK but suspect that exports support the default rather than user choice). [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 15:48, 3 Maii 2025 (UTC) :::I have set out this information in a [[Usor:JimKillock/Orthography|table]] including information about dictionary lookups and likely search engine issues. In short, from a user perspective, all the characters can be problematic, but æ and œ work within Alpheios for dictionary lookups, so are a bit more tolerable than the others from a default perspective. However I think it is useful tobe able to see and use the originals for some people, eg those practicing reading Renaissance scans etc; or researchers or academics looking to use source texts. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 16:09, 3 Maii 2025 (UTC) :{{ping|Alex brollo}}, {{ping|VIGNERON}}, {{ping|Candalua}} in case you can help. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 07:38, 30 Aprilis 2025 (UTC) ::@[[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] Interesting question. I'll take a look to the ensource template to understand how it works (I hope it is not based on javascript). [[Usor:Alex brollo|Alex brollo]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Alex brollo|disputatio]]) 06:18, 1 Maii 2025 (UTC) :::I’m afraid it is based on javascript: [[:en:MediaWiki:Gadget-Visibility.js]] :::To see the button you have to enable the [[:en:Help:Gadget-Visibility|Visibility gadget]]. [[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:SZC 03|disputatio]]) 11:12, 3 Maii 2025 (UTC) :::@[[Usor:Alex brollo|Alex brollo]] checking in whether we can implement this, or find another solution. I am holding off further changes until I know how to proceed - but I am sure there should be a way to do this! [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 20:40, 19 Maii 2025 (UTC) :::Noting this question comes up again at [[:Liber:Foenix. Domini Petri Ravennatis memoriae magistri - (Petrus) (IA hin-wel-all-00002799-001).pdf]] (I have [[Disputatio Libri:Foenix. Domini Petri Ravennatis memoriae magistri - (Petrus) (IA hin-wel-all-00002799-001).pdf|left a note there]]). [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 09:08, 15 Iunii 2025 (UTC) ::::OK, I have developed templates as this is holding up other people's work. I have based each template on the existing [[:formula:ls]], and avoid duplicating those that already exist using the same method at [[:Categoria:Formulae litterarum]]. Meantime if anyone has further thoughts about using Visibility Gadget or going another way, I would be very grateful. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 18:02, 17 Iunii 2025 (UTC) :::::@[[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] I have made a very basic template for flexible character switching at [[Formula:Scr]]; this returns the first entry on the book page, and the second in main space, eg <nowiki>{{scr|qꝫ|que}}</nowiki> would work the same as <nowiki>{{que}}</nowiki>. :::::However there is advice on ENWS not to use characters but use HTML entities for CSS reasons, so it is probably better for users to use specific templates. For example, I also created <nowiki>{{po}}</nowiki> which allows a user to decide what it might best represent, eg <nowiki>{{po|;}} or {{po|?}}</nowiki>. :::::In general, using set templates like <nowiki>{{que}}, {{em}}, {{um}}, {{etc}}</nowiki> is much easier for proofing, so I think I will continue to add these where it seems useful. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 08:29, 24 Iunii 2025 (UTC) ::::::Hi folks, so that you know, I have made something of a workaround to be able to enable these features, which works well enough for me. I will perhaps add some guidance somewhere. What I have done: ::::::# Installed the font Garamontio, as it has the qꝫ character, and all the possible ligatures ::::::# Created custom css to apply Garamontio to Wikisource as a whole; at [[Usor:JimKillock/common.css]]; and ::::::# Created (vibecoded) custom javascript at [[Usor:JimKillock/common.js]] ::::::The second script looks for the various spans with the css style typographic-long-s, and replaces the characters as appropriate. This seems to work surprisingly well, Garamontio does all of the discretionary ligatures etc, and is a very well designed font (fork of EB Garamond, with some extra touches useful here). The issue is of course that this applies to the whole of Latin Wikisource all of the time. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 18:35, 25 Iunii 2025 (UTC) :::::::@[[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]], reading this I wanted to tell you that you could apply styles to a index page, but I see you have already figured it out. Kudos on your progress. [[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:SZC 03|disputatio]]) 09:56, 9 Iulii 2025 (UTC) ::::::::Thanks @[[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]]; my list of scribal transformations has got quite long tho. And I need to check on the possible logic of it, some needs to hide and unhide, rather than search and replace. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 08:27, 11 Iulii 2025 (UTC) == We will be enabling the new Charts extension on your wiki soon! == ''(Apologies for posting in English)'' Hi all! We have good news to share regarding the ongoing problem with graphs and charts affecting all wikis that use them. As you probably know, the [[:mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Graph|old Graph extension]] was disabled in 2023 [[listarchive:list/wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org/thread/EWL4AGBEZEDMNNFTM4FRD4MHOU3CVESO/|due to security reasons]]. We’ve worked in these two years to find a solution that could replace the old extension, and provide a safer and better solution to users who wanted to showcase graphs and charts in their articles. We therefore developed the [[:mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Chart|Charts extension]], which will be replacing the old Graph extension and potentially also the [[:mw:Extension:EasyTimeline|EasyTimeline extension]]. After successfully deploying the extension on Italian, Swedish, and Hebrew Wikipedia, as well as on MediaWiki.org, as part of a pilot phase, we are now happy to announce that we are moving forward with the next phase of deployment, which will also include your wiki. The deployment will happen in batches, and will start from '''May 6'''. Please, consult [[:mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Chart/Project#Deployment Timeline|our page on MediaWiki.org]] to discover when the new Charts extension will be deployed on your wiki. You can also [[:mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Chart|consult the documentation]] about the extension on MediaWiki.org. If you have questions, need clarifications, or just want to express your opinion about it, please refer to the [[:mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension_talk:Chart/Project|project’s talk page on Mediawiki.org]], or ping me directly under this thread. If you encounter issues using Charts once it gets enabled on your wiki, please report it on the [[:mw:Extension_talk:Chart/Project|talk page]] or at [[phab:tag/charts|Phabricator]]. Thank you in advance! -- [[User:Sannita (WMF)|User:Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 15:07, 6 Maii 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Sannita (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Sannita_(WMF)/Mass_sending_test&oldid=28663781 --> == <span lang="en" dir="ltr">Call for Candidates for the Universal Code of Conduct Coordinating Committee (U4C)</span> == <div lang="en" dir="ltr"> <section begin="announcement-content" /> The results of voting on the Universal Code of Conduct Enforcement Guidelines and Universal Code of Conduct Coordinating Committee (U4C) Charter is [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Universal Code of Conduct/Annual review/2025#Results|available on Meta-wiki]]. You may now [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Universal Code of Conduct/Coordinating Committee/Election/2025/Candidates|submit your candidacy to serve on the U4C]] through 29 May 2025 at 12:00 UTC. Information about [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Universal Code of Conduct/Coordinating Committee/Election/2025|eligibility, process, and the timeline are on Meta-wiki]]. Voting on candidates will open on 1 June 2025 and run for two weeks, closing on 15 June 2025 at 12:00 UTC. If you have any questions, you can ask on [[m:Talk:Universal Code of Conduct/Coordinating Committee/Election/2025|the discussion page for the election]]. -- in cooperation with the U4C, </div><section end="announcement-content" /> </div> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[m:User:Keegan (WMF)|Keegan (WMF)]] ([[m:User_talk:Keegan (WMF)|disputatio]])</bdi> 22:08, 15 Maii 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Keegan (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Distribution_list/Global_message_delivery&oldid=28618011 --> == RfC ongoing regarding Abstract Wikipedia (and your project) == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr"> ''(Apologies for posting in English, if this is not your first language)'' Hello all! We opened a discussion on Meta about a very delicate issue for the development of [[:m:Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia|Abstract Wikipedia]]: where to store the abstract content that will be developed through functions from Wikifunctions and data from Wikidata. Since some of the hypothesis involve your project, we wanted to hear your thoughts too. We want to make the decision process clear: we do not yet know which option we want to use, which is why we are consulting here. We will take the arguments from the Wikimedia communities into account, and we want to consult with the different communities and hear arguments that will help us with the decision. The decision will be made and communicated after the consultation period by the Foundation. You can read the various hypothesis and have your say at [[:m:Abstract Wikipedia/Location of Abstract Content|Abstract Wikipedia/Location of Abstract Content]]. Thank you in advance! -- [[User:Sannita (WMF)|Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 15:27, 22 Maii 2025 (UTC) </div> <!-- Message sent by User:Sannita (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Sannita_(WMF)/Mass_sending_test&oldid=28768453 --> == <span lang="en" dir="ltr">Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees 2025 Selection & Call for Questions</span> == <div lang="en" dir="ltr"> <section begin="announcement-content" /> :''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation elections/2025/Announcement/Selection announcement|{{int:interlanguage-link-mul}}]] • [https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Translate&group=page-{{urlencode:Wikimedia Foundation elections/2025/Announcement/Selection announcement}}&language=&action=page&filter= {{int:please-translate}}]'' Dear all, This year, the term of 2 (two) Community- and Affiliate-selected Trustees on the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees will come to an end [1]. The Board invites the whole movement to participate in this year’s selection process and vote to fill those seats. The Elections Committee will oversee this process with support from Foundation staff [2]. The Governance Committee, composed of trustees who are not candidates in the 2025 community-and-affiliate-selected trustee selection process (Raju Narisetti, Shani Evenstein Sigalov, Lorenzo Losa, Kathy Collins, Victoria Doronina and Esra’a Al Shafei) [3], is tasked with providing Board oversight for the 2025 trustee selection process and for keeping the Board informed. More details on the roles of the Elections Committee, Board, and staff are here [4]. Here are the key planned dates: * May 22 – June 5: Announcement (this communication) and call for questions period [6] * June 17 – July 1, 2025: Call for candidates * July 2025: If needed, affiliates vote to shortlist candidates if more than 10 apply [5] * August 2025: Campaign period * August – September 2025: Two-week community voting period * October – November 2025: Background check of selected candidates * Board’s Meeting in December 2025: New trustees seated Learn more about the 2025 selection process - including the detailed timeline, the candidacy process, the campaign rules, and the voter eligibility criteria - on this Meta-wiki page [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025|[link]]]. '''Call for Questions''' In each selection process, the community has the opportunity to submit questions for the Board of Trustees candidates to answer. The Election Committee selects questions from the list developed by the community for the candidates to answer. Candidates must answer all the required questions in the application in order to be eligible; otherwise their application will be disqualified. This year, the Election Committee will select 5 questions for the candidates to answer. The selected questions may be a combination of what’s been submitted from the community, if they’re alike or related. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/Questions_for_candidates|[link]]] '''Election Volunteers''' Another way to be involved with the 2025 selection process is to be an Election Volunteer. Election Volunteers are a bridge between the Elections Committee and their respective community. They help ensure their community is represented and mobilize them to vote. Learn more about the program and how to join on this Meta-wiki page [[m:Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/Election_volunteers|[link].]] Thank you! [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2022/Results [2] https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Committee:Elections_Committee_Charter [3] https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Resolution:Committee_Membership,_December_2024 [4] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections_committee/Roles [5] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/FAQ [6] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/Questions_for_candidates Best regards, Victoria Doronina Board Liaison to the Elections Committee Governance Committee<section end="announcement-content" /> </div> [[Usor:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:MediaWiki message delivery|disputatio]]) 03:08, 28 Maii 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:RamzyM (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Distribution_list/Global_message_delivery&oldid=28618011 --> == Administrator backlog? == Hi there, I am noticing a lot of pages that say that the current version is not checked; and versions I have amended are not (apparently) displayed because they need approval. Am I right in assuming this is due to a lack of (active) administrator time? [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 10:53, 30 Maii 2025 (UTC) :Relatedly @[[Usor:Alex brollo|Alex brollo]] / @[[Usor:OrbiliusMagister|OrbiliusMagister]] / other admins, [[Colloquia familiaria]] has an old index page and other old sub pages which could do with changes being approved. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 11:58, 12 Iunii 2025 (UTC) ::Ping on this, some of the sub pages are quite broken. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 09:42, 28 Iunii 2025 (UTC) :I have tried to fix the lack of text in ePub export for [[Noctes Atticae]]. :Unfortunately, it seems that all my submissions require approval (last approval seems to have taken place more than five years ago). :Is there any way to have <code>class="ws-export"</code> to the second <code>&lt;table&gt;</code> from [[Noctes Atticae]]? :Many thanks for your help, [[Usor:Ousia|Ousia]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Ousia|disputatio]]) 19:09, 15 Augusti 2025 (UTC) == Vote now in the 2025 U4C Election == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr"> Apologies for writing in English. {{Int:Please-translate}} Eligible voters are asked to participate in the 2025 [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/Coordinating_Committee|Universal Code of Conduct Coordinating Committee]] election. More information–including an eligibility check, voting process information, candidate information, and a link to the vote–are available on Meta at the [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/Coordinating_Committee/Election/2025|2025 Election information page]]. The vote closes on 17 June 2025 at [https://zonestamp.toolforge.org/1750161600 12:00 UTC]. Please vote if your account is eligible. Results will be available by 1 July 2025. -- In cooperation with the U4C, [[m:User:Keegan (WMF)|Keegan (WMF)]] ([[m:User talk:Keegan (WMF)|talk]]) 23:01, 13 Iunii 2025 (UTC) </div> <!-- Message sent by User:Keegan (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Distribution_list/Global_message_delivery&oldid=28848819 --> == Mnemonics Book in Latin == Dear all, Over the past month, with the help of others, I’ve been compiling a list of older and often overlooked books on mnemonic techniques available on [[:en:Portal:Mnemonics|Wikisource English]]. Many of these works—some dating back decades or even centuries—offer fascinating insights into how memory has been understood, trained, and improved across different cultures and time periods. I've recently added a new section to the portal: "Multilingual Works on Mnemonic Techniques." This is in part because several of the English-language texts reference related works in other languages, particularly Latin. Unfortunately, many of these referenced works are written in Classical Latin, and my ability to work with them is quite limited—I’ve done what I can, but they remain largely inaccessible to me. If anyone has expertise in Classical Latin and might be willing to help with these texts, your assistance would be greatly appreciated. * ''[[:la:Foenix|Foenix]] by [[w:en:Peter of Ravenna|Peter of Ravenna]]'' (1491) * ''[[:la:Congestorium Artificiose Memorie|Congestorium Artificiose Memorie]]'' by Johann Horst von Romberch (1533) [[File:Johann Romberch, Congestorium artificiose... Wellcome L0032259.jpg|150px]][[File:Johann Romberch, Congestorium artificiose... Wellcome L0032269.jpg|150px]] Here is a discussion form on it https://forum.artofmemory.com/t/johannes-romberchs-congestorium-artificiose-memorie/30174 Warm regards [[Specialis:Conlationes/82.167.147.5|82.167.147.5]] 23:15, 13 Iunii 2025 (UTC) :Hi there, I could help proofing texts you have prepared perhaps? [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 09:57, 14 Iunii 2025 (UTC) :: Thanks for offering—I’d really appreciate your help with proofreading. :: We have two books. Which one would you like to start with? ::*[[Liber:Foenix. Domini Petri Ravennatis memoriae magistri - (Petrus) (IA hin-wel-all-00002799-001).pdf]] ::*[[Liber:Congestorium artificiose memorie ... - V.P.F. Joa(n)nis Romberch de Kyrspe. Regularis obseruantie predicatorie- (IA hin-wel-all-00002875-001).pdf]] ::[[Specialis:Conlationes/82.167.147.5|82.167.147.5]] 21:49, 14 Iunii 2025 (UTC) :::I can do the pages you have put into the first, as a start for you. BTW the transcribed text does not always look like it originated from the source. It is very correct, but some has different orthography and missed certain parts. That is fine of course if we are correcting to the original. (PS: you might want to create a user account so that you can be notified of replies, hide your IP address, etc). [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 08:57, 15 Iunii 2025 (UTC) :::I had a go at the first page or two; some of the orthography was removed while other parts were kept. I kept all of it as a first go. See the discussion above about how we treat orthography, hopefully we can address this with templates. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 09:11, 15 Iunii 2025 (UTC) ::::I'm using Google OCR and some AI tools to pull out text and sometimes translate it into English so I can understand it. If anyone could help me proofread or check it, I’d be super grateful! [[Specialis:Conlationes/82.167.147.5|82.167.147.5]] 00:50, 17 Iunii 2025 (UTC) :::::I have added all the templates we need for the special characters / orthography, I will start doing the pages with those. The end result will be that on the main space ebook pages, the chars will toggle on and off, at least once that is properly implemented. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 19:25, 17 Iunii 2025 (UTC) ::::::Noted, sounds good. I’ll try adding to the other pages next time. [[Specialis:Conlationes/82.167.147.5|82.167.147.5]] 22:10, 17 Iunii 2025 (UTC) == <span lang="en" dir="ltr">Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees 2025 - Call for Candidates</span> == <div lang="en" dir="ltr"> <section begin="announcement-content" /> :''<div class="plainlinks">[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation elections/2025/Announcement/Call for candidates|{{int:interlanguage-link-mul}}]] • [https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Translate&group=page-{{urlencode:Wikimedia Foundation elections/2025/Announcement/Call for candidates}}&language=&action=page&filter= {{int:please-translate}}]</div> Hello all, The [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation elections/2025|call for candidates for the 2025 Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees selection is now open]] from June 17, 2025 – July 2, 2025 at 11:59 UTC [1]. The Board of Trustees oversees the Wikimedia Foundation's work, and each Trustee serves a three-year term [2]. This is a volunteer position. This year, the Wikimedia community will vote in late August through September 2025 to fill two (2) seats on the Foundation Board. Could you – or someone you know – be a good fit to join the Wikimedia Foundation's Board of Trustees? [3] Learn more about what it takes to stand for these leadership positions and how to submit your candidacy on [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation elections/2025/Candidate application|this Meta-wiki page]] or encourage someone else to run in this year's election. Best regards, Abhishek Suryawanshi<br /> Chair of the Elections Committee On behalf of the Elections Committee and Governance Committee [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/Call_for_candidates [2] https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Legal:Bylaws#(B)_Term. [3] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/Resources_for_candidates<section end="announcement-content" /> </div> [[Usor:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:MediaWiki message delivery|disputatio]]) 17:44, 17 Iunii 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:RamzyM (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Distribution_list/Global_message_delivery&oldid=28866958 --> == [[De Principe]] == Si vis, quaeso, me adiuva ut liber novus ''[[De Principe]]'' correctus sit et erroribus liber. Nuper completus, ab aliquo alio corrigendus est. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 18:14, 27 Iunii 2025 (UTC) == <span lang="en" dir="ltr">Sister Projects Task Force reviews Wikispore and Wikinews</span> == <div lang="en" dir="ltr"> <section begin="message"/> Dear Wikimedia Community, The [[m:Wikimedia Foundation Community Affairs Committee|Community Affairs Committee (CAC)]] of the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees assigned [[m:Wikimedia Foundation Community Affairs Committee/Sister Projects Task Force|the Sister Projects Task Force (SPTF)]] to update and implement a procedure for assessing the lifecycle of Sister Projects – wiki [[m:Wikimedia projects|projects supported by Wikimedia Foundation (WMF)]]. A vision of relevant, accessible, and impactful free knowledge has always guided the Wikimedia Movement. As the ecosystem of Wikimedia projects continues to evolve, it is crucial that we periodically review existing projects to ensure they still align with our goals and community capacity. Despite their noble intent, some projects may no longer effectively serve their original purpose. '''Reviewing such projects is not about giving up – it's about responsible stewardship of shared resources'''. Volunteer time, staff support, infrastructure, and community attention are finite, and the non-technical costs tend to grow significantly as our ecosystem has entered a different age of the internet than the one we were founded in. Supporting inactive projects or projects that didn't meet our ambitions can unintentionally divert these resources from areas with more potential impact. Moreover, maintaining projects that no longer reflect the quality and reliability of the Wikimedia name stands for, involves a reputational risk. An abandoned or less reliable project affects trust in the Wikimedia movement. Lastly, '''failing to sunset or reimagine projects that are no longer working can make it much harder to start new ones'''. When the community feels bound to every past decision – no matter how outdated – we risk stagnation. A healthy ecosystem must allow for evolution, adaptation, and, when necessary, letting go. If we create the expectation that every project must exist indefinitely, we limit our ability to experiment and innovate. Because of this, SPTF reviewed two requests concerning the lifecycle of the Sister Projects to work through and demonstrate the review process. We chose Wikispore as a case study for a possible new Sister Project opening and Wikinews as a case study for a review of an existing project. Preliminary findings were discussed with the CAC, and a community consultation on both proposals was recommended. === Wikispore === The [[m:Wikispore|application to consider Wikispore]] was submitted in 2019. SPTF decided to review this request in more depth because rather than being concentrated on a specific topic, as most of the proposals for the new Sister Projects are, Wikispore has the potential to nurture multiple start-up Sister Projects. After careful consideration, the SPTF has decided '''not to recommend''' Wikispore as a Wikimedia Sister Project. Considering the current activity level, the current arrangement allows '''better flexibility''' and experimentation while WMF provides core infrastructural support. We acknowledge the initiative's potential and seek community input on what would constitute a sufficient level of activity and engagement to reconsider its status in the future. As part of the process, we shared the decision with the Wikispore community and invited one of its leaders, Pharos, to an SPTF meeting. Currently, we especially invite feedback on measurable criteria indicating the project's readiness, such as contributor numbers, content volume, and sustained community support. This would clarify the criteria sufficient for opening a new Sister Project, including possible future Wikispore re-application. However, the numbers will always be a guide because any number can be gamed. === Wikinews === We chose to review Wikinews among existing Sister Projects because it is the one for which we have observed the highest level of concern in multiple ways. Since the SPTF was convened in 2023, its members have asked for the community's opinions during conferences and community calls about Sister Projects that did not fulfil their promise in the Wikimedia movement.[https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:WCNA_2024._Sister_Projects_-_opening%3F_closing%3F_merging%3F_splitting%3F.pdf <nowiki>[1]</nowiki>][https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Community_Affairs_Committee/Sister_Projects_Task_Force#Wikimania_2023_session_%22Sister_Projects:_past,_present_and_the_glorious_future%22 <nowiki>[2]</nowiki>][https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiConvention_francophone/2024/Programme/Quelle_proc%C3%A9dure_pour_ouvrir_ou_fermer_un_projet_%3F <nowiki>[3]</nowiki>] Wikinews was the leading candidate for an evaluation because people from multiple language communities proposed it. Additionally, by most measures, it is the least active Sister Project, with the greatest drop in activity over the years. While the Language Committee routinely opens and closes language versions of the Sister Projects in small languages, there has never been a valid proposal to close Wikipedia in major languages or any project in English. This is not true for Wikinews, where there was a proposal to close English Wikinews, which gained some traction but did not result in any action[https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Closure_of_English_Wikinews <nowiki>[4]</nowiki>][https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiConvention_francophone/2024/Programme/Quelle_proc%C3%A9dure_pour_ouvrir_ou_fermer_un_projet_%3F <nowiki>[5]</nowiki>, see section 5] as well as a draft proposal to close all languages of Wikinews[https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Proposals_for_closing_projects/Archive_2#Close_Wikinews_completely,_all_languages? <nowiki>[6]</nowiki>]. [[:c:File:Sister Projects Taskforce Wikinews review 2024.pdf|Initial metrics]] compiled by WMF staff also support the community's concerns about Wikinews. Based on this report, SPTF recommends a community reevaluation of Wikinews. We conclude that its current structure and activity levels are the lowest among the existing sister projects. SPTF also recommends pausing the opening of new language editions while the consultation runs. SPTF brings this analysis to a discussion and welcomes discussions of alternative outcomes, including potential restructuring efforts or integration with other Wikimedia initiatives. '''Options''' mentioned so far (which might be applied to just low-activity languages or all languages) include but are not limited to: *Restructure how Wikinews works and is linked to other current events efforts on the projects, *Merge the content of Wikinews into the relevant language Wikipedias, possibly in a new namespace, *Merge content into compatibly licensed external projects, *Archive Wikinews projects. Your insights and perspectives are invaluable in shaping the future of these projects. We encourage all interested community members to share their thoughts on the relevant discussion pages or through other designated feedback channels. === Feedback and next steps === We'd be grateful if you want to take part in a conversation on the future of these projects and the review process. We are setting up two different project pages: [[m:Public consultation about Wikispore|Public consultation about Wikispore]] and [[m:Public consultation about Wikinews|Public consultation about Wikinews]]. Please participate between 27 June 2025 and 27 July 2025, after which we will summarize the discussion to move forward. You can write in your own language. I will also host a community conversation 16th July Wednesday 11.00 UTC and 17th July Thursday 17.00 UTC (call links to follow shortly) and will be around at Wikimania for more discussions. <section end="message"/> </div> -- [[User:Victoria|Victoria]] on behalf of the Sister Project Task Force, 20:57, 27 Iunii 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Johan (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Johan_(WMF)/Sister_project_MassMassage_on_behalf_of_Victoria/Target_list&oldid=28911188 --> == Latin incunabula and other early books == Expanding a bit on what I mentioned above, re character toggling, and also working on the books [[Foenix]] and [[Congestorium Artificiosae Memoriae]] * the Transkribus Latin Incunabula scan does a great job on the heavy gothic style print * I will see how it does with more Garamond-style texts, in case it works with these * I have developed a fairly full set of templates for scribal characters, see [[:Categoria:Formulae litterarum]] * I am thinking about using a bot to wholesale search and replace long s, and other scribal characters mapped there Between these things, the work to transcribe and correct early printed Latin books should be very much reduced. If anyone feels like helping test this out, do give me shout. Meantime I will run tests on Congestorium Artificiosae Memoriae to check how well the bot system works. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 07:50, 1 Iulii 2025 (UTC) :The folks at Wikisource helped create a JS solution for this, see [[Usor:JimKillock/incunabula.js]]. The script does a search and replace for what is needed, on the '''first save of a new book page'''; these are the settings for the Incunabula style section of [[Liber:Foenix. Domini Petri Ravennatis memoriae magistri - (Petrus) (IA hin-wel-all-00002799-001).pdf|this scan, p 52 onwards]] for [[Congestorium Artificiose Memorie]]. It seems to work very well and is extremely labour saving! [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 22:59, 1 Iulii 2025 (UTC) == Navigation and validation == Hi there, I would like to do some work on navigation, to provide some "portal" pages similar to EN Wikisource. For example, this would help with learner texts a lot 9I often get asked how to find these texts, I point to the category pages, but these are very basic. I would also like to know what we should do about page validation. Some really necessary changes are currently languishing in the backlog. This is an admin only task: should we asking for more administrators, or is this something existing admins here can take on? [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 14:08, 13 Iulii 2025 (UTC) :Hi {{U|JimKillock}} good idea, don't hesitate to start and/or ask for help. That said, I'm not sure to see why this is an admin task (even if, yes, the underlying point is true, we need more admins). Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 09:31, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::@[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] I think the Portal namespace and some modules need setting up which require admin permissions, I will dig a bit further and come back to you. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 20:01, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) == Wikidata Item and Property labels soon displayed in Wiki Watchlist/Recent Changes == ''(Apologies for posting in English, you can help by translating into your language)'' Hello everyone, the [[m:Wikidata_For_Wikimedia_Projects/Clearer_Wikidata_Edit_Summaries/Resolve_Labels|Wikidata For Wikimedia Projects]] team is excited to announce an upcoming change in how Wikidata edit changelogs are displayed in your [[Special:Watchlist|Watchlists]] and [[Special:RecentChanges|Recent Changes]] lists. 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Thank you!<section end="body" /> </div> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[m:user:NKohli (WMF)|NKohli (WMF)]], [[m:user:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]]</bdi> 21:36, 26 Augusti 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Quiddity_(WMF)/sandbox6&oldid=29181713 --> == All pages in Athanasius Kircher - Turris Babel - 1679 are in Categoria:Formulae == I was looking for templates/formulae by looking at <nowiki>[[Categoria:Formulae]]</nowiki> All pages in [[Liber:Athanasius Kircher - Turris Babel - 1679.djvu]] are in <nowiki>[[Categoria:Formulae]]</nowiki> Many (all?) pages in [[Liber:Gallia Christiana, 1715, T1.djvu]] are in <nowiki>[[Categoria:Formulae]]</nowiki>, like article [[Gallia Christiana 1715 01/Epistola2]] These all use [[Formula:Sidenotes begin]]. There is one "[https://la.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Formula:Sidenotes_begin&oldid=79709&diff=cur pending change]" on this template. But that change puts the category outside the noinclude. ::<nowiki></noinclude></nowiki> ::<nowiki>[[Categoria:Formulae]]</nowiki> Please either reject the change or move the categoria line. [[Usor:Shenme|Shenme]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Shenme|disputatio]]) 04:17, 31 Augusti 2025 (UTC) :Hi @[[Usor:Shenme|Shenme]], I don't think anyone from the admins is monitoring or actioning pending changes currently. (see discussions re admin queues above.) [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 05:29, 31 Augusti 2025 (UTC) ::{{ping|Shenme}} {{done}} I excluded the categories. {{ping|JimKillock}} no blame but be careful next time, categories should always be excluded. Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 09:28, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :::{{ping|VIGNERON}} It wasn't @JimKillock who made [https://la.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Formula:Sidenotes_begin&diff=next&oldid=79709 the problematic change], but someone else [[Usor:Ceciliawolf]]. I noticed the problem, he included the problem a list that got your attention. [[Usor:Shenme|Shenme]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Shenme|disputatio]]) 02:46, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::::{{ping|Shenme}} yes, but [[Special:Diff/236794]]. Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 06:57, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC) == Request for admin status == Hi all, given that we have quite a lot of admin requests (mostly relating to "pending" changes), I would like to request administrator status so that some of these can be cleared. If anyone else wants to step up to help out, that would also be welcome. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 17:23, 1 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :Ping to @[[Usor:Shenme|Shenme]], @[[Usor:Ousia|Ousia]] @[[Usor:Alex brollo|Alex brollo]]:, @[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]]:, @[[Usor:Candalua|Candalua]]: in case you feel able to support my request. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 06:57, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::Hi {{U|JimKillock}}, ::I apparently missed it, where do we have « a lot of admin requests » ? ::That said, one more admin is always good, so create the request and I'll support it. ::Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 07:34, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :::Hi @[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]], :::Thank you! On the admin requests, on this page, here are these :::* [[#All pages in Athanasius Kircher - Turris Babel - 1679 are in Categoria:Formulae]] :::* [[#It would be nice to have automatic headers for the Liber: namespace]] (which you have replied to) :::* [[#Navigation and validation]] :::* [[#Administrator backlog?]] :::* [[#Toggling special characters such as ſ (long s)]] (altho this has been worked around and may not be needed) :::Most of these relate to the ''Pending changes'' backlog in various ways; two are requests for new features / modules to be ported across. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 09:01, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::::{{ping|JimKillock}} thanks, I see. It doesn't look like a lot to me, I'll try to deal with it today. Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 09:27, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :::::Thank you @[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] :) You could also take a look at the pending changes on [[Formula:Pagina_prima/Novae_Aetatis]] and [[Moriae encomium]]. The really big job is going through [[Specialis:PendingChanges|pending changes]] altogether - I understand there is a five year backlog. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 09:36, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::::::I see... I had a quick look and all changes seem good. Do we even need this extension on Wikisource? Also, if we keep it, I guess we need more reviewers rather than admins (more admins would be useful too, but that's a separate point). Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 10:35, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::Of course, the request needs to be supported; without active administrators it is very inconvenient. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 12:21, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::What do you need us to do? BTW, it would be great to know why edits require administrator approvals. Sorry, but I‘m afraid this makes contributing almost pointless. Many thanks for your help, --[[Usor:Ousia|Ousia]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Ousia|disputatio]]) 14:15, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :::So there are two reasons it would be helpful for me to be an admin; one is if we carry on with the approval system (it looks like we will not) and the other is around updating or adding certain components, modules for example. There may be other tasks I am not aware of that I could help with, but these are the ones I know about. Implementing Portal pages for example needs some work by an admin AIUI. :::@[[Usor:Ousia|Ousia]] your question re edits needing approval is [[#Do_we_need_to_approve_changes_to_pages|addressed below, here]]. :::In terms of what you / others need to do, it seems that if there is a consensus to allow me administrator permissions, then a bueaucrat user would implement it (I mistakenly opening a request at meta, and they referred me back here); so we just need to have your views, yes, no, maybe, etc. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 17:01, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::::The page [[Vicifons:Magistratus]], intended for promotion, seems to be protected; I couldn't edit it (''petitio grapheocrat'''ae''''') and add a category ([[:Categoria:Usores]]). [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 20:23, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :::::Thanks, it seems editable now so I [[Vicifons:Magistratus#Petitio_magistratus|added my request there]], if anyone wants to support it. Regarding ''grapheocrates -ae'', how is this declined? Is it otherwise treated as a masculine first declension? Thinking it ought to be added to Wiktionary as it is missing from there. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 17:00, 4 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::::::This is [https://archive.org/details/calepinusnovus2002/calepinusnovus2002-french-latin/page/n23/mode/1up?q=grapheocrates from Licoppe and Eichenseer]. Yes, this can be added to Wiktionary, I have no experience editing there. Thanks for the corrections, today the system let me in, but yesterday for some unknown reason it didn’t let me in. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 20:53, 4 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :::::::Thank you and no problem. I can add to Wiktionary I hope; is the plural therefore ''grapheocratae''; and is the singular ''grapheocrates'' or ''grapheocrata''? [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 07:14, 5 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::::::::Yes, of course. They took the Modern Greek word γραφειοκράτης. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 21:41, 5 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :::::::::Great, after a bit of struggle that is at [[:en:wiktionary:grapheocrates]] and [[:la:wiktionary:grapheocrates]] [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 12:43, 7 Septembris 2025 (UTC) == It would be nice to have automatic headers for the Liber: namespace == It would require someone with interface admin status to create [[MediaWiki:Proofreadpage index data config.json]] to replace the current index form parameters ([[MediaWiki:Proofreadpage index attributes|very old system]]) with special care to not mass delete information by unadvertedly changing some parameter's name. [https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Proofreadpage_index_data_config.json Example from the English Wikisource]. If someone wants to help, please contact me. Regards! [[Usor:Ignacio Rodríguez|Ignacio Rodríguez]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Ignacio Rodríguez|disputatio]]) 02:10, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :Hi @[[Usor:Ignacio Rodríguez|Ignacio Rodríguez]], potentially - if I have admin status :) [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 06:54, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::{{ping|Ignacio Rodríguez}} I did a test (by copy-pasting the English page), it works, so no need to be interface admin, being admin is enough. ::I only half understand that paramater page, could you give me the actual content expected ? ::Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 07:38, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :::I don't remember all the details but I worked on that page in the Spanish Wikisource almost a decade ago. I'll make a mockup in the talk page, but I can't promise to get all the Latin words right. For ease, parameter names and help tooltips will be in English internally, but they will show in Latin in the form. [[Usor:Ignacio Rodríguez|Ignacio Rodríguez]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Ignacio Rodríguez|disputatio]]) 16:56, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::::This was added and it now works perfectly. Thanks! [[Usor:Ignacio Rodríguez|Ignacio Rodríguez]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Ignacio Rodríguez|disputatio]]) 16:25, 5 Septembris 2025 (UTC) == Do we need to approve changes to pages == Hi all, Moving the discussion regarding the backlog at [[Specialis:PendingChanges]]: @[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] asks whether we need to have this feature. I suspect it was switched on because of spam, vandalism, or some other similar issue. Without it we might need to be keeping an eye on recent changes. I am not sure how the proteccted changes permissions works, or whether permissions to make approvals to changes can be delegated more widely. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 19:56, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :Changes to pages affecting project *function* must be controlled. But it seems that Pending Changes doesn't actually stop changes to something like a template/formula from having effect? See my report about <nowiki>Formula:Sidenotes begin</nowiki> above. :And checking a couple of the other initial items in [[Specialis:PendingChanges]], it seems that all pending changes are actually immediately applied to active, visible pages. :So Pending Changes <u>does not prevent damage</u> to the project. It is <u>merely a tracking and notification method?</u> :That can be useful, but requires a set of people to be change reviewers. And changes to subject matter would seem to require reviewers knowledgeable about the subject? :And when changes affect *function*, like templates, who can review and approve those? I'd think only admins. :The link to monitoring Recent Changes is undeniable. I monitor Recent Changes often at Spanish Wikisource because I've seen the random damage people can do. That is the only way to react quickly to damage. (?) But then that assumes people are checking lists frequently, at least daily. :Neither Pending Changes or monitoring Recent Changes prevent damage. They can be only part of a solution to damage. I don't know what to think about Pending Changes ''in isolation''. [[Usor:Shenme|Shenme]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Shenme|disputatio]]) 03:48, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::{{ping|JimKillock|Shenme}} I've got mainly two points : ::* vandlism is low to inexistant on la.ws (and it's already low on most Wikisources), making this extension useless and even problematic. Because it doesn't prevent changes but it prevents them to be effective. ::** Apparently the reason to install is [[Vicifons:Scriptorium/Vetera_VII#protection_of_completed_works_-_Flagged_Revisions_as_an_alternative?]] ::* this extension is actually caleld [[mw:Extension:FlaggedRevs]] and it's deprecated for years (see [[Vicifons:Scriptorium/Vetera_XI#Futrue_of_FlaggedRevs_(Pending_Changes)_extension]] or the warning on the extension itself « Flagged Revisions is complex, poorly documented, very clunky, and not recommended for production use »). Also, people on Wikisource don't seem to really master or even using it (including the reviewers rights). Maybe it's aan opportunity to list exactly what we need and find a new extension that fit these needs. ::In the end, I see a lot of cons and only a few pros... ::Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 07:35, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :I haven't seen any vandalism here in years. But if you fix the errors, the "Pending Changes" status means that the fixes will only be visible to registered users. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 12:10, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :{{ping|JimKillock|Shenme}} many thanks for your replies. I must admit that I’m an occasional Wikisource (or even Wikipedia contributor). I essentially (or exclusively) contribute corrections. :Some days ago, I wanted to download an ePub file for the [[Noctes Atticae]] (to do some regexp searches), but the export was wrong. I tried to modify the code (which I have done successfully for the Greek Wikisource many times) and I found out that I needed a ''nihil obstat'' (I’m afraid this would be way to name it). :Of course, I’m the least interested in vandalism (either contributing it myself, or being any collaborative project being infested/polluted by it). But I think there should be a way of distinguishing between vandalism and non-hardcore (or occasional) contributors. :I don’t know any perfect system, but it should be worth considering a mixed approach. Approval could be required for: already flagged users (for vandalism) and recent users (how about a five-year publishing embargo?). :Only to mention a case, my [https://el.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Συμπόσιον_(Πλάτων)&diff=prev&oldid=49677 first contribution to the Greek Wiksource] was in 2012. I don’t know for how long I have been registered in Wikimedia (I guess this was before 2010). :This isn’t about myself, the issue here is that Wikisource needs contributions to even exist (not to mention for its growth). If no regular user is allowed to contribute without approval, cooperation is basically non-existing. :Even with approval, the reply times are incredibly slow (because of the system). It is not that attention spans are getting shorter, time is the most scarce resource we all are (and I don’t have weeks or months to see whether I’m allowed to have [[Noctes Atticae]] as ePub). :Sorry, the sentence in parentheses isn’t a complaint. Please, do as you please, but my contribution is: consider that you might be making contributions way harder, project growth way slower and administrators’ roles way more complicated (probably, than they could and should be). :Many thanks for your help and your project, --[[Usor:Ousia|Ousia]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Ousia|disputatio]]) 17:15, 4 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::@[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] I think there is consensus we can switch this off. Let me know if I can help in any way if you think it's time to switch it off. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 18:25, 4 Octobris 2025 (UTC) :::{{ping|JimKillock}} thanks for the reminder and agreed for removal, so I created a task on Phabricator here : [[Phab:T406424]]. Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 09:42, 5 Octobris 2025 (UTC) ::::Thanks for filing this @[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] , the Wikimedia tech team seem to have finished their work on this now! [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 12:16, 18 Octobris 2025 (UTC) == Index page error "Error: Invalid interval" == I am getting an error: at [[:Liber:Nos in schola latine loquimur - Ars latine loquendi.pdf]] "Error: Invalid interval" for the paginae listing; even when set to <code><nowiki><pagelist 1=1 /></nowiki></code>. Any clues appreciated! [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 16:48, 5 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :This might be the infamous "0x0 bug" that has plagued Wikisource for two? three? years. Normally it resolves doing a purge in both the file page in Commons and in the local Wikisource. [[Usor:Ignacio Rodríguez|Ignacio Rodríguez]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Ignacio Rodríguez|disputatio]]) 19:34, 5 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::Thanks, that seems to b working now. 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We think it may be necessary to use a special / embedded font to do this, as I think was meant for <nowiki>{{blackletter}}</nowiki> ({{blackletter|exempli gratia}}; see [[Formula:Blackletter/styles.css]], although this does not seem to be calling a font at the moment). Does anyone have any advice about how we would add a webfont to LAWS's CSS, particularly for ℣ and ℟ ; or if there is a way to use an existing webfont with these characters that might be available to us? (Or if there is some other workable solution). [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 08:58, 24 Octobris 2025 (UTC) == Vandalismus == Vidi nuper nonnihil vandalismi, qualis in [https://la.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Veni,_Veni_Emmanuel!&curid=12961&diff=244803&oldid=244791 hoc] et [https://la.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=The_Old_Testament_(Vulgate)/Hieremias_propheta&action=history illo] apparuit. 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Appropriate for here? == What is going on here? * [[Scriptor:Coronus_Tenebrosius]] * [[Contemplationes_Metaphysicae]] * [[Puteus_Chaosi]] * [[Usor:Coronus Tenebrosius]] No statement of copyright. No proof of authorship. paginae vanitatis ? [[Usor:Shenme|Shenme]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Shenme|disputatio]]) 08:24, 9 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :Cum iure auctoris problemata non habebimus, si auctor ipse opera exponit. Et si delere consilium capiemus, [[Vicifons:Magistratus#Saumache|magistratus non habemus]], qui hoc faciant. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 11:37, 9 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :<blockquote>'''Salvete.''' '''Nomen meum est Krunoslav Mrkoci, et ''Coronus Tenebrosius'' est interpretatio nominis mei in linguam Latinam, id est identitas mea Latina.''' '''Confirmo me ipsum auctorem esse omnium operum hic editorum. Opera primum Croatice scripta sunt, hic autem in versione Latina proposita.''' 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'''Coronus Tenebrosius'''.</blockquote> [[Usor:Coronus Tenebrosius|Coronus Tenebrosius]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Coronus Tenebrosius|disputatio]]) 12:23, 9 Iunii 2026 (UTC) == Copying some templates from the English Wikisource == Hello, Would someone please be able to help me get [[s:en:Template:ppoem|en:Template:ppoem]], [[s:en:blackletter|en:blackletter]], [[s:en:Template:he|en:Template:he]], and [[s:en:Template:grc|en:Template:grc]] available to use on this Wikisource, so I can utilize them here? For the blackletter, I've tried [[Formula:Gothica|Gothica]], but that doesn't seem to be rendering properly. Thanks, [[Usor:Erblanchard57|Erblanchard57]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Erblanchard57|disputatio]]) 00:04, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :@[[Usor:Erblanchard57|Erblanchard57]] I made the shortcut for [[Formula:Graeca]]. You should not need any administror rights to do anything you need, I'll take a look into it. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 09:46, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :Blackletter is already here, [[:Formula:Gothica]] [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 10:57, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC) ::Hi! @[[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]], thanks! Just for clarification, do I need to make the template pages in Latin, or is it alright to copy them in English? Also, @[[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]], I mentioned this above, but for some reason, the Gothica template isn't working for me. See [[Pagina:Polygamia Triumphatrix.pdf/15]], for example. Any idea why that might be the case? [[Usor:Erblanchard57|Erblanchard57]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Erblanchard57|disputatio]]) 16:16, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :::@[[Usor:Erblanchard57|Erblanchard57]] This wiki lacks proper guidelines and recommendations, I would prefer if you translated the template's name, e.g., [[Formula:spatium]] rather than [[Formula:spatio]] but given the international nature of the project (nobody's mother tongue is Latin) best practice should be to add translated names as shortcuts/redirects. Beware adding templates that are already on the wiki under a different name ([[Formula:grc]] was already at [[Formula:Graeca]]). I took a quick look and it seems the fonts used by the blackletter template are not installed on the wiki; the same template does not seem to work on the French Wikisource either. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 17:40, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC) ::::Maybe we have sufficient powers to add the fonts now? Or we can ask someone with additional permissions to do so. But yes I remember now this has been a long standing problem. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 20:54, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :::[https://yaytext.com/fraktur/ This converter] 𝔠𝔬𝔫𝔳𝔢𝔯𝔱𝔰 𝔩𝔢𝔱𝔱𝔢𝔯𝔰 𝔱𝔬 𝔉𝔯𝔞𝔨𝔱𝔲𝔯 (because it exists in Unicode as separate characters). <s>However, I'm not sure if such text can be found using a regular search.</s> No, Wikipedia search finds it. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 21:48, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC) ::::I looked into using the converter, but I'm running into the issue of lack of compatibility with {{[[Formula:Ls|Ls]]}}. Would it be better to just wait for the font to be added? Do we have any idea when that will happen/who needs to be contacted for that to happen? ::::Thanks, [[Usor:Erblanchard57|Erblanchard57]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Erblanchard57|disputatio]]) 19:34, 15 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :::::These Unicode characters don't feel right on my labtop, they have heigth issues among other things. I went and asked on two different wikis about the fonts, I will come back to you when I get some answers. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 19:41, 15 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :[[Formula:Poema recte formatum]] or [[Formula:Ppoem]] now work, altho there's issues with the documentation page. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 20:52, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC) ::Thank you! [[Usor:Erblanchard57|Erblanchard57]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Erblanchard57|disputatio]]) 21:20, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :{{tl|blackletter}} was not working for me, even after locally installing UnifrakturMaguntia from Google fonts, until I restarted my web browser, which also followed my rebooting. Also, it can't be just any gothic/blackletter font, but must be one of these Fraktur fonts: UnifrakturMaguntia UnifrakturCook Unifraktur. [[Usor:Shenme|Shenme]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Shenme|disputatio]]) 21:19, 15 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :{{ping|Demetrius Talpa|JimKillock|Erblanchard57}} Fonts are downloaded locally, you need to go to Modi/Praeferentiae > Proprietates > Sermonis delectus > Plura > Scripturae and toggle "Download fonts when needed". The option seems not to be that easy to toggle on by default. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 10:56, 17 Iunii 2026 (UTC) ::Yes, great. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 11:09, 17 Iunii 2026 (UTC) ::Thank you very much! [[Usor:Erblanchard57|Erblanchard57]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Erblanchard57|disputatio]]) 15:57, 17 Iunii 2026 (UTC) ::English WS seems to pull the font in from a repository. I've copied over the module ULS, css etc, would be good to know if it has made any difference. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 13:26, 18 Iunii 2026 (UTC) ha1u0b3qwrwhvmgyxv9gmxlcx3areki 272322 272321 2026-06-18T13:26:43Z JimKillock 19003 /* Copying some templates from the English Wikisource */ Reply 272322 wikitext text/x-wiki __NEWSECTIONLINK__ <!--- __NOTOC__ --->[[Categoria:Vicifons|Scriptorium]] {{Intraincepti |w= Vicipaedia:Taberna |q= Vicicitatio:Taberna |commons: <!-- Communia --> |b= Vicilibri:Porta Communis |wikt= Victionarium:Taberna |m= <!-- Meta --> |wikispecies= <!-- Vicispecies --> |n= <!-- Vicinuntii --> }} <div class="toccolours" style="text-align:center; font-size:14pt; background:#eef; color:navy; "> Hac pagina scriptorium Vicifontis est.<br /> <small><small>Nunc iam sunt '''{{NUMBEROFARTICLES}}''' paginae. 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Fortunately, the list of changes made since the import of on Wikisource can be found [https://web.archive.org/web/20240122025223/https://vulsearch.sourceforge.net/clemtext.rss here]. There is also [https://bitbucket.org/clementinetextproject/text/downloads/ a repository] (although I am not sure if it is up to date). I have no experience in programming or making imports. So, could someone please update the text of [[Vulgata Clementina]] of Wikisource to use the latest version of ''The Clementine Vulgate Project''? [[Usor:Veverve|Veverve]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Veverve|disputatio]]) 10:01, 23 Februarii 2025 (UTC) :@[[Usor:Ser be etre shi|Ser be etre shi]] Are you able to help with this? Ping in case so. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 19:27, 3 Iulii 2025 (UTC) :@[[Usor:Veverve|Veverve]] Just checking these look like quite a small number of changes, is that right? It may be easiest to do these manually. 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In cooperation with the U4C -- <section end="announcement-content" /> </div> <div lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr"> [[m:User:Keegan (WMF)|Keegan (WMF)]] ([[m:User talk:Keegan (WMF)|talk]]) 03:41, 29 Aprilis 2025 (UTC)</div> <!-- Message sent by User:Keegan (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Distribution_list/Global_message_delivery&oldid=28618011 --> == Toggling special characters such as ſ (long s) == On EN wikisource, they have a template <nowiki>{{longs}}</nowiki> to produce ''ſ'' on the transcription page, and by default, ''s'' on the ebook page. users on EN WS can toggle these on and off. In this book, [[:la:Liber:Nicolaus Machiavellus De Principe.pdf|''De principe'']], there are a number of unusual characters that could do with toggling: ''ſ (s); ß (ss); ẽ (en / em) ũ (un / um) æ (ae) ę (ae) õ (on / om) ã (an / am) œ (oe)''. ([[:formula:ls]] already exists here for ſ, and some other characters semi-implemented at [[:Categoria:Formulae litterarum]] but the toggling is not switched on.) In order to implement this: (1) What would LA WiCategoria:Formulae litterarumkisource need to enable for user toggling of special characters? (2) Who would I contact (assuming this is an admin task)? [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 10:06, 29 Aprilis 2025 (UTC) :It looks like it would need this installing, as a start: [[:en:MediaWiki:Gadget-Visibility.js|MediaWiki:Gadget-Visibility.js]] [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 11:13, 29 Aprilis 2025 (UTC) :{{ping|OrbiliusMagister}} as the only active magister! --[[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 11:16, 29 Aprilis 2025 (UTC) :{{ping|SZC 03}} in case you have an opinion (you made changes at the De Pricipia transcription project which we could implement better with this toggle feature). [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 07:31, 30 Aprilis 2025 (UTC) ::I would like to point out that not all of the listed characters are of the same kind: ::* ſ is a variant of s; ::* ß, æ and œ are [[:w:en:Ligature (writing)|ligatures]] of ſs, ae and oe respectively ([[:w:en:E caudata|ę]] can represent both ae or oe); ::* ã, ẽ, õ, ũ are used to indicate [[:w:en:Scribal abbreviation|abbreviations]]. ::Personally I think it would be somewhat useful to implement the toggle feature only for æ and œ, since of all the ligatures they are the only ones that carry some meaning (that ae or oe in that word is a diphthong) and the only ones that easily show up in search results and correctly displayed in web-browsers. ::Note that both English and Italian wikisources in their transcription guidelines take in consideration the ability of both modern readers and search engines to correctly interpret the character shown (see [[:en:Wikisource:Style guide/Orthography]] and [[:it:Wikisource:Convenzioni di trascrizione]]). Though it would be useful to write rules specific to the Latin wikisource. ::I hope these considerations were of any help. [[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:SZC 03|disputatio]]) 07:58, 3 Maii 2025 (UTC) ::In regards to the [[Liber:Nicolaus Machiavellus De Principe.pdf|''De principe'']] it would be appropriate to encode the text in a way that we do not lose your work of accurately transcribing the above characters, while still showing to the end user a normalized form. My edit was trying to achieve this with the templates currently in wikisource. ::From a technical standpoint, it would be useful to have a general template not specific to any character that could be used both in ''ad hoc'' situations, and in creating other templates. ::Also if such a template is created for abbreviations it should behave differently from the long s and ligatures, since 1) the text displayed is context dependent, and 2) it is common use in diplomatic transcriptions to show the abbreviated characters in parentheses (so I were taught in paleography class). ::To give an example of point 2 from the text ([[Pagina:Nicolaus_Machiavellus_De_Principe.pdf/69|page 45]], line 11): ::Original text: Iãq́ꝫ ::Diplomatic transcription: Ia(m)q(ue) ::Standard transcription: Iamque ::I’m sorry for the lengthy comments. [[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:SZC 03|disputatio]]) 11:02, 3 Maii 2025 (UTC) :::I agree something adhoc would be helpful. The template would need to specify :::* the text as-is and :::* the modernised version :::and hopefully there would be a system to pick up which to display. :::In terms of the display: this could be the js system, perhaps adapted, that we have on en.ws, or possibly it could be an adjustment to the page templates set up, to allow two different books, or sets of pages, to be presented. This would have the advantage that exports would facilitate both (IDK but suspect that exports support the default rather than user choice). [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 15:48, 3 Maii 2025 (UTC) :::I have set out this information in a [[Usor:JimKillock/Orthography|table]] including information about dictionary lookups and likely search engine issues. In short, from a user perspective, all the characters can be problematic, but æ and œ work within Alpheios for dictionary lookups, so are a bit more tolerable than the others from a default perspective. However I think it is useful tobe able to see and use the originals for some people, eg those practicing reading Renaissance scans etc; or researchers or academics looking to use source texts. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 16:09, 3 Maii 2025 (UTC) :{{ping|Alex brollo}}, {{ping|VIGNERON}}, {{ping|Candalua}} in case you can help. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 07:38, 30 Aprilis 2025 (UTC) ::@[[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] Interesting question. I'll take a look to the ensource template to understand how it works (I hope it is not based on javascript). [[Usor:Alex brollo|Alex brollo]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Alex brollo|disputatio]]) 06:18, 1 Maii 2025 (UTC) :::I’m afraid it is based on javascript: [[:en:MediaWiki:Gadget-Visibility.js]] :::To see the button you have to enable the [[:en:Help:Gadget-Visibility|Visibility gadget]]. [[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:SZC 03|disputatio]]) 11:12, 3 Maii 2025 (UTC) :::@[[Usor:Alex brollo|Alex brollo]] checking in whether we can implement this, or find another solution. I am holding off further changes until I know how to proceed - but I am sure there should be a way to do this! [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 20:40, 19 Maii 2025 (UTC) :::Noting this question comes up again at [[:Liber:Foenix. Domini Petri Ravennatis memoriae magistri - (Petrus) (IA hin-wel-all-00002799-001).pdf]] (I have [[Disputatio Libri:Foenix. Domini Petri Ravennatis memoriae magistri - (Petrus) (IA hin-wel-all-00002799-001).pdf|left a note there]]). [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 09:08, 15 Iunii 2025 (UTC) ::::OK, I have developed templates as this is holding up other people's work. I have based each template on the existing [[:formula:ls]], and avoid duplicating those that already exist using the same method at [[:Categoria:Formulae litterarum]]. Meantime if anyone has further thoughts about using Visibility Gadget or going another way, I would be very grateful. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 18:02, 17 Iunii 2025 (UTC) :::::@[[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] I have made a very basic template for flexible character switching at [[Formula:Scr]]; this returns the first entry on the book page, and the second in main space, eg <nowiki>{{scr|qꝫ|que}}</nowiki> would work the same as <nowiki>{{que}}</nowiki>. :::::However there is advice on ENWS not to use characters but use HTML entities for CSS reasons, so it is probably better for users to use specific templates. For example, I also created <nowiki>{{po}}</nowiki> which allows a user to decide what it might best represent, eg <nowiki>{{po|;}} or {{po|?}}</nowiki>. :::::In general, using set templates like <nowiki>{{que}}, {{em}}, {{um}}, {{etc}}</nowiki> is much easier for proofing, so I think I will continue to add these where it seems useful. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 08:29, 24 Iunii 2025 (UTC) ::::::Hi folks, so that you know, I have made something of a workaround to be able to enable these features, which works well enough for me. I will perhaps add some guidance somewhere. What I have done: ::::::# Installed the font Garamontio, as it has the qꝫ character, and all the possible ligatures ::::::# Created custom css to apply Garamontio to Wikisource as a whole; at [[Usor:JimKillock/common.css]]; and ::::::# Created (vibecoded) custom javascript at [[Usor:JimKillock/common.js]] ::::::The second script looks for the various spans with the css style typographic-long-s, and replaces the characters as appropriate. This seems to work surprisingly well, Garamontio does all of the discretionary ligatures etc, and is a very well designed font (fork of EB Garamond, with some extra touches useful here). The issue is of course that this applies to the whole of Latin Wikisource all of the time. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 18:35, 25 Iunii 2025 (UTC) :::::::@[[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]], reading this I wanted to tell you that you could apply styles to a index page, but I see you have already figured it out. Kudos on your progress. [[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:SZC 03|disputatio]]) 09:56, 9 Iulii 2025 (UTC) ::::::::Thanks @[[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]]; my list of scribal transformations has got quite long tho. And I need to check on the possible logic of it, some needs to hide and unhide, rather than search and replace. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 08:27, 11 Iulii 2025 (UTC) == We will be enabling the new Charts extension on your wiki soon! == ''(Apologies for posting in English)'' Hi all! We have good news to share regarding the ongoing problem with graphs and charts affecting all wikis that use them. As you probably know, the [[:mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Graph|old Graph extension]] was disabled in 2023 [[listarchive:list/wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org/thread/EWL4AGBEZEDMNNFTM4FRD4MHOU3CVESO/|due to security reasons]]. We’ve worked in these two years to find a solution that could replace the old extension, and provide a safer and better solution to users who wanted to showcase graphs and charts in their articles. We therefore developed the [[:mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Chart|Charts extension]], which will be replacing the old Graph extension and potentially also the [[:mw:Extension:EasyTimeline|EasyTimeline extension]]. After successfully deploying the extension on Italian, Swedish, and Hebrew Wikipedia, as well as on MediaWiki.org, as part of a pilot phase, we are now happy to announce that we are moving forward with the next phase of deployment, which will also include your wiki. The deployment will happen in batches, and will start from '''May 6'''. Please, consult [[:mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Chart/Project#Deployment Timeline|our page on MediaWiki.org]] to discover when the new Charts extension will be deployed on your wiki. You can also [[:mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Chart|consult the documentation]] about the extension on MediaWiki.org. If you have questions, need clarifications, or just want to express your opinion about it, please refer to the [[:mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension_talk:Chart/Project|project’s talk page on Mediawiki.org]], or ping me directly under this thread. If you encounter issues using Charts once it gets enabled on your wiki, please report it on the [[:mw:Extension_talk:Chart/Project|talk page]] or at [[phab:tag/charts|Phabricator]]. 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We opened a discussion on Meta about a very delicate issue for the development of [[:m:Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia|Abstract Wikipedia]]: where to store the abstract content that will be developed through functions from Wikifunctions and data from Wikidata. Since some of the hypothesis involve your project, we wanted to hear your thoughts too. We want to make the decision process clear: we do not yet know which option we want to use, which is why we are consulting here. We will take the arguments from the Wikimedia communities into account, and we want to consult with the different communities and hear arguments that will help us with the decision. The decision will be made and communicated after the consultation period by the Foundation. You can read the various hypothesis and have your say at [[:m:Abstract Wikipedia/Location of Abstract Content|Abstract Wikipedia/Location of Abstract Content]]. 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[1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2022/Results [2] https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Committee:Elections_Committee_Charter [3] https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Resolution:Committee_Membership,_December_2024 [4] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections_committee/Roles [5] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/FAQ [6] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/Questions_for_candidates Best regards, Victoria Doronina Board Liaison to the Elections Committee Governance Committee<section end="announcement-content" /> </div> [[Usor:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:MediaWiki message delivery|disputatio]]) 03:08, 28 Maii 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:RamzyM (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Distribution_list/Global_message_delivery&oldid=28618011 --> == Administrator backlog? == Hi there, I am noticing a lot of pages that say that the current version is not checked; and versions I have amended are not (apparently) displayed because they need approval. Am I right in assuming this is due to a lack of (active) administrator time? [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 10:53, 30 Maii 2025 (UTC) :Relatedly @[[Usor:Alex brollo|Alex brollo]] / @[[Usor:OrbiliusMagister|OrbiliusMagister]] / other admins, [[Colloquia familiaria]] has an old index page and other old sub pages which could do with changes being approved. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 11:58, 12 Iunii 2025 (UTC) ::Ping on this, some of the sub pages are quite broken. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 09:42, 28 Iunii 2025 (UTC) :I have tried to fix the lack of text in ePub export for [[Noctes Atticae]]. :Unfortunately, it seems that all my submissions require approval (last approval seems to have taken place more than five years ago). :Is there any way to have <code>class="ws-export"</code> to the second <code>&lt;table&gt;</code> from [[Noctes Atticae]]? :Many thanks for your help, [[Usor:Ousia|Ousia]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Ousia|disputatio]]) 19:09, 15 Augusti 2025 (UTC) == Vote now in the 2025 U4C Election == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr"> Apologies for writing in English. {{Int:Please-translate}} Eligible voters are asked to participate in the 2025 [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/Coordinating_Committee|Universal Code of Conduct Coordinating Committee]] election. 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Many of these works—some dating back decades or even centuries—offer fascinating insights into how memory has been understood, trained, and improved across different cultures and time periods. I've recently added a new section to the portal: "Multilingual Works on Mnemonic Techniques." This is in part because several of the English-language texts reference related works in other languages, particularly Latin. Unfortunately, many of these referenced works are written in Classical Latin, and my ability to work with them is quite limited—I’ve done what I can, but they remain largely inaccessible to me. If anyone has expertise in Classical Latin and might be willing to help with these texts, your assistance would be greatly appreciated. * ''[[:la:Foenix|Foenix]] by [[w:en:Peter of Ravenna|Peter of Ravenna]]'' (1491) * ''[[:la:Congestorium Artificiose Memorie|Congestorium Artificiose Memorie]]'' by Johann Horst von Romberch (1533) [[File:Johann Romberch, Congestorium artificiose... Wellcome L0032259.jpg|150px]][[File:Johann Romberch, Congestorium artificiose... Wellcome L0032269.jpg|150px]] Here is a discussion form on it https://forum.artofmemory.com/t/johannes-romberchs-congestorium-artificiose-memorie/30174 Warm regards [[Specialis:Conlationes/82.167.147.5|82.167.147.5]] 23:15, 13 Iunii 2025 (UTC) :Hi there, I could help proofing texts you have prepared perhaps? [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 09:57, 14 Iunii 2025 (UTC) :: Thanks for offering—I’d really appreciate your help with proofreading. :: We have two books. Which one would you like to start with? ::*[[Liber:Foenix. Domini Petri Ravennatis memoriae magistri - (Petrus) (IA hin-wel-all-00002799-001).pdf]] ::*[[Liber:Congestorium artificiose memorie ... - V.P.F. Joa(n)nis Romberch de Kyrspe. Regularis obseruantie predicatorie- (IA hin-wel-all-00002875-001).pdf]] ::[[Specialis:Conlationes/82.167.147.5|82.167.147.5]] 21:49, 14 Iunii 2025 (UTC) :::I can do the pages you have put into the first, as a start for you. BTW the transcribed text does not always look like it originated from the source. It is very correct, but some has different orthography and missed certain parts. That is fine of course if we are correcting to the original. (PS: you might want to create a user account so that you can be notified of replies, hide your IP address, etc). [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 08:57, 15 Iunii 2025 (UTC) :::I had a go at the first page or two; some of the orthography was removed while other parts were kept. I kept all of it as a first go. See the discussion above about how we treat orthography, hopefully we can address this with templates. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 09:11, 15 Iunii 2025 (UTC) ::::I'm using Google OCR and some AI tools to pull out text and sometimes translate it into English so I can understand it. If anyone could help me proofread or check it, I’d be super grateful! [[Specialis:Conlationes/82.167.147.5|82.167.147.5]] 00:50, 17 Iunii 2025 (UTC) :::::I have added all the templates we need for the special characters / orthography, I will start doing the pages with those. The end result will be that on the main space ebook pages, the chars will toggle on and off, at least once that is properly implemented. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 19:25, 17 Iunii 2025 (UTC) ::::::Noted, sounds good. I’ll try adding to the other pages next time. [[Specialis:Conlationes/82.167.147.5|82.167.147.5]] 22:10, 17 Iunii 2025 (UTC) == <span lang="en" dir="ltr">Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees 2025 - Call for Candidates</span> == <div lang="en" dir="ltr"> <section begin="announcement-content" /> :''<div class="plainlinks">[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation elections/2025/Announcement/Call for candidates|{{int:interlanguage-link-mul}}]] • [https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Translate&group=page-{{urlencode:Wikimedia Foundation elections/2025/Announcement/Call for candidates}}&language=&action=page&filter= {{int:please-translate}}]</div> Hello all, The [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation elections/2025|call for candidates for the 2025 Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees selection is now open]] from June 17, 2025 – July 2, 2025 at 11:59 UTC [1]. The Board of Trustees oversees the Wikimedia Foundation's work, and each Trustee serves a three-year term [2]. This is a volunteer position. 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[[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 18:14, 27 Iunii 2025 (UTC) == <span lang="en" dir="ltr">Sister Projects Task Force reviews Wikispore and Wikinews</span> == <div lang="en" dir="ltr"> <section begin="message"/> Dear Wikimedia Community, The [[m:Wikimedia Foundation Community Affairs Committee|Community Affairs Committee (CAC)]] of the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees assigned [[m:Wikimedia Foundation Community Affairs Committee/Sister Projects Task Force|the Sister Projects Task Force (SPTF)]] to update and implement a procedure for assessing the lifecycle of Sister Projects – wiki [[m:Wikimedia projects|projects supported by Wikimedia Foundation (WMF)]]. A vision of relevant, accessible, and impactful free knowledge has always guided the Wikimedia Movement. As the ecosystem of Wikimedia projects continues to evolve, it is crucial that we periodically review existing projects to ensure they still align with our goals and community capacity. Despite their noble intent, some projects may no longer effectively serve their original purpose. '''Reviewing such projects is not about giving up – it's about responsible stewardship of shared resources'''. Volunteer time, staff support, infrastructure, and community attention are finite, and the non-technical costs tend to grow significantly as our ecosystem has entered a different age of the internet than the one we were founded in. Supporting inactive projects or projects that didn't meet our ambitions can unintentionally divert these resources from areas with more potential impact. Moreover, maintaining projects that no longer reflect the quality and reliability of the Wikimedia name stands for, involves a reputational risk. An abandoned or less reliable project affects trust in the Wikimedia movement. Lastly, '''failing to sunset or reimagine projects that are no longer working can make it much harder to start new ones'''. When the community feels bound to every past decision – no matter how outdated – we risk stagnation. A healthy ecosystem must allow for evolution, adaptation, and, when necessary, letting go. If we create the expectation that every project must exist indefinitely, we limit our ability to experiment and innovate. Because of this, SPTF reviewed two requests concerning the lifecycle of the Sister Projects to work through and demonstrate the review process. We chose Wikispore as a case study for a possible new Sister Project opening and Wikinews as a case study for a review of an existing project. Preliminary findings were discussed with the CAC, and a community consultation on both proposals was recommended. === Wikispore === The [[m:Wikispore|application to consider Wikispore]] was submitted in 2019. SPTF decided to review this request in more depth because rather than being concentrated on a specific topic, as most of the proposals for the new Sister Projects are, Wikispore has the potential to nurture multiple start-up Sister Projects. After careful consideration, the SPTF has decided '''not to recommend''' Wikispore as a Wikimedia Sister Project. Considering the current activity level, the current arrangement allows '''better flexibility''' and experimentation while WMF provides core infrastructural support. We acknowledge the initiative's potential and seek community input on what would constitute a sufficient level of activity and engagement to reconsider its status in the future. As part of the process, we shared the decision with the Wikispore community and invited one of its leaders, Pharos, to an SPTF meeting. Currently, we especially invite feedback on measurable criteria indicating the project's readiness, such as contributor numbers, content volume, and sustained community support. This would clarify the criteria sufficient for opening a new Sister Project, including possible future Wikispore re-application. However, the numbers will always be a guide because any number can be gamed. === Wikinews === We chose to review Wikinews among existing Sister Projects because it is the one for which we have observed the highest level of concern in multiple ways. Since the SPTF was convened in 2023, its members have asked for the community's opinions during conferences and community calls about Sister Projects that did not fulfil their promise in the Wikimedia movement.[https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:WCNA_2024._Sister_Projects_-_opening%3F_closing%3F_merging%3F_splitting%3F.pdf <nowiki>[1]</nowiki>][https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Community_Affairs_Committee/Sister_Projects_Task_Force#Wikimania_2023_session_%22Sister_Projects:_past,_present_and_the_glorious_future%22 <nowiki>[2]</nowiki>][https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiConvention_francophone/2024/Programme/Quelle_proc%C3%A9dure_pour_ouvrir_ou_fermer_un_projet_%3F <nowiki>[3]</nowiki>] Wikinews was the leading candidate for an evaluation because people from multiple language communities proposed it. Additionally, by most measures, it is the least active Sister Project, with the greatest drop in activity over the years. While the Language Committee routinely opens and closes language versions of the Sister Projects in small languages, there has never been a valid proposal to close Wikipedia in major languages or any project in English. This is not true for Wikinews, where there was a proposal to close English Wikinews, which gained some traction but did not result in any action[https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Closure_of_English_Wikinews <nowiki>[4]</nowiki>][https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiConvention_francophone/2024/Programme/Quelle_proc%C3%A9dure_pour_ouvrir_ou_fermer_un_projet_%3F <nowiki>[5]</nowiki>, see section 5] as well as a draft proposal to close all languages of Wikinews[https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Proposals_for_closing_projects/Archive_2#Close_Wikinews_completely,_all_languages? <nowiki>[6]</nowiki>]. [[:c:File:Sister Projects Taskforce Wikinews review 2024.pdf|Initial metrics]] compiled by WMF staff also support the community's concerns about Wikinews. Based on this report, SPTF recommends a community reevaluation of Wikinews. We conclude that its current structure and activity levels are the lowest among the existing sister projects. SPTF also recommends pausing the opening of new language editions while the consultation runs. SPTF brings this analysis to a discussion and welcomes discussions of alternative outcomes, including potential restructuring efforts or integration with other Wikimedia initiatives. '''Options''' mentioned so far (which might be applied to just low-activity languages or all languages) include but are not limited to: *Restructure how Wikinews works and is linked to other current events efforts on the projects, *Merge the content of Wikinews into the relevant language Wikipedias, possibly in a new namespace, *Merge content into compatibly licensed external projects, *Archive Wikinews projects. Your insights and perspectives are invaluable in shaping the future of these projects. We encourage all interested community members to share their thoughts on the relevant discussion pages or through other designated feedback channels. === Feedback and next steps === We'd be grateful if you want to take part in a conversation on the future of these projects and the review process. We are setting up two different project pages: [[m:Public consultation about Wikispore|Public consultation about Wikispore]] and [[m:Public consultation about Wikinews|Public consultation about Wikinews]]. Please participate between 27 June 2025 and 27 July 2025, after which we will summarize the discussion to move forward. You can write in your own language. I will also host a community conversation 16th July Wednesday 11.00 UTC and 17th July Thursday 17.00 UTC (call links to follow shortly) and will be around at Wikimania for more discussions. <section end="message"/> </div> -- [[User:Victoria|Victoria]] on behalf of the Sister Project Task Force, 20:57, 27 Iunii 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Johan (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Johan_(WMF)/Sister_project_MassMassage_on_behalf_of_Victoria/Target_list&oldid=28911188 --> == Latin incunabula and other early books == Expanding a bit on what I mentioned above, re character toggling, and also working on the books [[Foenix]] and [[Congestorium Artificiosae Memoriae]] * the Transkribus Latin Incunabula scan does a great job on the heavy gothic style print * I will see how it does with more Garamond-style texts, in case it works with these * I have developed a fairly full set of templates for scribal characters, see [[:Categoria:Formulae litterarum]] * I am thinking about using a bot to wholesale search and replace long s, and other scribal characters mapped there Between these things, the work to transcribe and correct early printed Latin books should be very much reduced. If anyone feels like helping test this out, do give me shout. Meantime I will run tests on Congestorium Artificiosae Memoriae to check how well the bot system works. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 07:50, 1 Iulii 2025 (UTC) :The folks at Wikisource helped create a JS solution for this, see [[Usor:JimKillock/incunabula.js]]. The script does a search and replace for what is needed, on the '''first save of a new book page'''; these are the settings for the Incunabula style section of [[Liber:Foenix. Domini Petri Ravennatis memoriae magistri - (Petrus) (IA hin-wel-all-00002799-001).pdf|this scan, p 52 onwards]] for [[Congestorium Artificiose Memorie]]. It seems to work very well and is extremely labour saving! [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 22:59, 1 Iulii 2025 (UTC) == Navigation and validation == Hi there, I would like to do some work on navigation, to provide some "portal" pages similar to EN Wikisource. For example, this would help with learner texts a lot 9I often get asked how to find these texts, I point to the category pages, but these are very basic. I would also like to know what we should do about page validation. Some really necessary changes are currently languishing in the backlog. This is an admin only task: should we asking for more administrators, or is this something existing admins here can take on? [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 14:08, 13 Iulii 2025 (UTC) :Hi {{U|JimKillock}} good idea, don't hesitate to start and/or ask for help. That said, I'm not sure to see why this is an admin task (even if, yes, the underlying point is true, we need more admins). Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 09:31, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::@[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] I think the Portal namespace and some modules need setting up which require admin permissions, I will dig a bit further and come back to you. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 20:01, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) == Wikidata Item and Property labels soon displayed in Wiki Watchlist/Recent Changes == ''(Apologies for posting in English, you can help by translating into your language)'' Hello everyone, the [[m:Wikidata_For_Wikimedia_Projects/Clearer_Wikidata_Edit_Summaries/Resolve_Labels|Wikidata For Wikimedia Projects]] team is excited to announce an upcoming change in how Wikidata edit changelogs are displayed in your [[Special:Watchlist|Watchlists]] and [[Special:RecentChanges|Recent Changes]] lists. If an edit is made on Wikidata that affects a page in another Wikimedia Project, the changelog will contain some information about the nature of the edit. This can include a QID (or Q-number), a PID (or P-number) and a value (which can be text, numbers, dates, or also QID or PID’s). Confused by these terms? See the [[d:Special:MyLanguage/Wikidata:Glossary|Wikidata:Glossary]] for further explanations. The upcoming change is scheduled for '''17.07.2025''', between '''1300 - 1500 UTC'''. The change will display the label (item name) alongside any QID or PIDs, as seen in the image below: [[File:Apr10 edit summary on Wikidata.png|An edit sum entry on Wikidata, labels display alongside their P- and Q-no.'s]] These changes will only be visible if you have Wikidata edits enabled in your User Preferences for Watchlists and Recent Changes, or have the active filter ‘Wikidata edits’ checkbox toggled on, directly on the Watchlist and Recent Changes pages. Your bot and gadget may be affected! There are thousands of bots, gadgets and user-scripts and whilst we have researched potential effects to many of them, we cannot guarantee there won’t be some that are broken or affected by this change. Further information and context about this change, including how your bot may be affected can be found on this [[m:Wikidata_For_Wikimedia_Projects/Clearer_Wikidata_Edit_Summaries/Resolve_Labels|project task page]]. We welcome your questions and feedback, please write to us on this dedicated [[m:Talk:Wikidata_For_Wikimedia_Projects/Clearer_Wikidata_Edit_Summaries/Resolve_Labels|Talk page]]. Thank you, - [[m:User:Danny_Benjafield_(WMDE)|Danny Benjafield (WMDE)]] on behalf of the Wikidata For Wikimedia Projects Team. [[Usor:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:MediaWiki message delivery|disputatio]]) 12:46, 14 Iulii 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Danny Benjafield (WMDE)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Danny_Benjafield_(WMDE)/MassMessage_Test_List&oldid=28981877 --> == <span lang="en" dir="ltr"> Upcoming Deployment of the CampaignEvents Extension</span> == <div lang="en" dir="ltr"> <section begin="message"/> Hello everyone, ''(Apologies for posting in English if English is not your first language. Please help translate to your language.)'' The Campaigns Product Team is planning a global deployment of the '''[[:mw:Help:Extension:CampaignEvents|CampaignEvents extension]]''' to all Wikisource, including this Wikisource, during the '''week of August 25th'''. This extension is designed to help organizers plan and manage events, WikiProjects, and other on-wiki collaborations - and to make these efforts more discoverable. The three main features of this extension are: * '''[[:m:Event_Center/Registration|Event Registration]]''': A simple way to sign up for events on the wiki. * '''[[:m:CampaignEvents/Collaboration_list|Collaboration List]]''': A global list of events and a local list of WikiProjects, accessible at '''[[:m:Special:AllEvents|Special:AllEvents]]'''. * '''[[:m:Campaigns/Foundation_Product_Team/Invitation_list|Invitation Lists]]''': A tool to help organizers find editors who might want to join, based on their past contributions. '''Note''': The extension comes with a new user right called '''"Event Organizer"''', which will be managed by administrators on this Wikisource. Organizer tools like Event Registration and Invitation Lists will only work if someone is granted this right. The Collaboration List is available to everyone immediately after deployment. The extension is already live on several wikis, including '''all Wikipedia, Meta, Wikidata''', and more ( [[m:CampaignEvents/Deployment_status#Current_Deployment_Status_for_CampaignEvents_extension| See the full deployment list]]) If you have any questions, concerns, or feedback, please feel free to share them on the [[m:Talk:CampaignEvents| extension talkpage]]. We’d love to hear from you before the rollout. Thank you! <section end="message"/> </div> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:Udehb-WMF|Udehb-WMF]] ([[User talk:Udehb-WMF|disputatio]]) 15:40, 31 Iulii 2025 (UTC)</bdi> <!-- Message sent by User:Udehb-WMF@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Udehb-WMF/sandbox/MM_target_Wikisource&oldid=29066664 --> == <span lang="en" dir="ltr">Temporary accounts will be rolled out soon</span> == <div lang="en" dir="ltr"> <section begin="body"/> Hello, we are the Wikimedia Foundation [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Product Safety and Integrity|Product Safety and Integrity]] team. We would like to announce that '''we plan to enable [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Trust and Safety Product/Temporary Accounts|temporary accounts]] for this wiki in the week of September 1'''. Temporary accounts are successfully live on 30 wikis, including many large ones like German, Japanese, and French. The change they bring is especially relevant to logged-out editors, who this feature is designed to protect. But it is also relevant to community members like mentors, patrollers, and admins – anyone who reverts edits, blocks users, or otherwise interacts with logged-out editors as part of keeping the wikis safe and accurate. '''Why we are building temporary accounts''' Our wikis should be safer to edit by default for logged-out editors. Temporary accounts allow people to continue editing the wikis without creating an account, while avoiding publicly tying their edits to their IP address. We believe this is in the best interest of our logged-out editors, who make valuable contributions to the wikis and who may later create accounts and grow our community of editors, admins, and other roles. Even though the wikis do warn logged-out editors that their IP address will be associated with their edit, many people may not understand what an IP address is, or that it could be used to connect them to other information about them in ways they might not expect. Additionally, our moderation software and tools rely too heavily on network origin (IP addresses) to identify users and patterns of activity, especially as IP addresses themselves are becoming less stable as identifiers. Temporary accounts allow for more precise interactions with logged-out editors, including more precise blocks, and can help limit how often we unintentionally end up blocking good-faith users who use the same IP addresses as bad-faith users. '''How temporary accounts work''' [[File:Temporary account banner and empty talk page.png|thumb]] Any time a logged-out user publishes an edit on this wiki, a cookie will be set in this user's browser, and a temporary account tied with this cookie will be automatically created. This account's name will follow the pattern: <code dir=ltr>~2025-12345-67</code> (a tilde, current year, a number). On pages like Recent Changes or page history, this name will be displayed. The cookie will expire 90 days after its creation. As long as it exists, all edits made from this device will be attributed to this temporary account. It will be the same account even if the IP address changes, unless the user clears their cookies or uses a different device or web browser. A record of the IP address used at the time of each edit will be stored for 90 days after the edit. However, only some logged-in users will be able to see it. '''What does this mean for different groups of users?''' '''For logged-out editors''' * This increases privacy: currently, if you do not use a registered account to edit, then everybody can see the IP address for the edits you made, even after 90 days. That will no longer be possible on this wiki. * If you use a temporary account to edit from different locations in the last 90 days (for example at home and at a coffee shop), the edit history and the IP addresses for all those locations will now be recorded together, for the same temporary account. Users who [[foundation:Special:MyLanguage/Policy:Access_to_temporary_account_IP_addresses|meet the relevant requirements]] will be able to view this data. If this creates any personal security concerns for you, please contact talktohumanrights at wikimedia.org for advice. '''For community members interacting with logged-out editors''' * A temporary account is uniquely linked to a device. In comparison, an IP address can be shared with different devices and people (for example, different people at school or at work might have the same IP address). * Compared to the current situation, it will be safer to assume that a temporary user's talk page belongs to only one person, and messages left there will be read by them. As you can see in the screenshot, temporary account users will receive notifications. It will also be possible to thank them for their edits, ping them in discussions, and invite them to get more involved in the community. '''For users who use IP address data to moderate and maintain the wiki''' * '''For patrollers''' who track persistent abusers, investigate violations of policies, etc.: Users who [[foundation:Special:MyLanguage/Policy:Access_to_temporary_account_IP_addresses|meet the requirements]] will be able to reveal temporary users' IP addresses and all contributions made by temporary accounts from a specific IP address or range ([[Special:IPContributions]]). They will also have access to useful information about the IP addresses thanks to the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Trust and Safety Product/IP Info|IP Info]] feature. Many other pieces of software have been built or adjusted to work with temporary accounts, including AbuseFilter, global blocks, Global User Contributions, and more. (For information for volunteer developers on how to update the code of your tools – see the last part of the message.) * '''For admins blocking logged-out editors''': ** It will be possible to block many abusers by just blocking their temporary accounts. A blocked person won't be able to create new temporary accounts quickly if the admin selects the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Autoblock|autoblock]] option. ** It will still be possible to block an IP address or IP range. * Temporary accounts will not be retroactively applied to contributions made before the deployment. On Special:Contributions, you will be able to see existing IP user contributions, but not new contributions made by temporary accounts on that IP address. Instead, you should use Special:IPContributions for this. '''Our requests for you, and next steps''' * If you know of any tools, bots, gadgets etc. using data about IP addresses or being available for logged-out users, you may want to test if they work on [[testwiki:Main_Page|testwiki]] or [[test2wiki:Main_Page|test2wiki]]. If you are a volunteer developer, [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Trust and Safety Product/Temporary Accounts/For developers|read our documentation for developers]], and in particular, the section on [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Trust and Safety Product/Temporary Accounts/For developers#How should I update my code?|how your code might need to be updated]]. * If you want to test the temporary account experience, for example just to check what it feels like, go to testwiki or test2wiki and edit without logging in. * Tell us if you know of any difficulties that need to be addressed. We will try to help, and if we are not able, we will consider the available options. * Look at our [[m:Meta:Babel#Temporary_Accounts:_access_to_IP_addresses_and_next_steps|previous message]] about requirements for users without extended rights who may need access to IP addresses. To learn more about the project, check out [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Trust and Safety Product/Temporary Accounts/FAQ|our FAQ]] – you will find many useful answers there. You may also [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Trust and Safety Product/Temporary Accounts/Updates|look at the updates]] (we have just posted one) and [[mw:Newsletter:Product Safety and Integrity|subscribe to our new newsletter]]. If you'd like to talk to me (Szymon) off-wiki, you will find me on Discord and Telegram. Thank you!<section end="body" /> </div> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[m:user:NKohli (WMF)|NKohli (WMF)]], [[m:user:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]]</bdi> 21:36, 26 Augusti 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Quiddity_(WMF)/sandbox6&oldid=29181713 --> == All pages in Athanasius Kircher - Turris Babel - 1679 are in Categoria:Formulae == I was looking for templates/formulae by looking at <nowiki>[[Categoria:Formulae]]</nowiki> All pages in [[Liber:Athanasius Kircher - Turris Babel - 1679.djvu]] are in <nowiki>[[Categoria:Formulae]]</nowiki> Many (all?) pages in [[Liber:Gallia Christiana, 1715, T1.djvu]] are in <nowiki>[[Categoria:Formulae]]</nowiki>, like article [[Gallia Christiana 1715 01/Epistola2]] These all use [[Formula:Sidenotes begin]]. There is one "[https://la.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Formula:Sidenotes_begin&oldid=79709&diff=cur pending change]" on this template. But that change puts the category outside the noinclude. ::<nowiki></noinclude></nowiki> ::<nowiki>[[Categoria:Formulae]]</nowiki> Please either reject the change or move the categoria line. [[Usor:Shenme|Shenme]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Shenme|disputatio]]) 04:17, 31 Augusti 2025 (UTC) :Hi @[[Usor:Shenme|Shenme]], I don't think anyone from the admins is monitoring or actioning pending changes currently. (see discussions re admin queues above.) [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 05:29, 31 Augusti 2025 (UTC) ::{{ping|Shenme}} {{done}} I excluded the categories. {{ping|JimKillock}} no blame but be careful next time, categories should always be excluded. Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 09:28, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :::{{ping|VIGNERON}} It wasn't @JimKillock who made [https://la.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Formula:Sidenotes_begin&diff=next&oldid=79709 the problematic change], but someone else [[Usor:Ceciliawolf]]. I noticed the problem, he included the problem a list that got your attention. [[Usor:Shenme|Shenme]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Shenme|disputatio]]) 02:46, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::::{{ping|Shenme}} yes, but [[Special:Diff/236794]]. Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 06:57, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC) == Request for admin status == Hi all, given that we have quite a lot of admin requests (mostly relating to "pending" changes), I would like to request administrator status so that some of these can be cleared. If anyone else wants to step up to help out, that would also be welcome. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 17:23, 1 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :Ping to @[[Usor:Shenme|Shenme]], @[[Usor:Ousia|Ousia]] @[[Usor:Alex brollo|Alex brollo]]:, @[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]]:, @[[Usor:Candalua|Candalua]]: in case you feel able to support my request. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 06:57, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::Hi {{U|JimKillock}}, ::I apparently missed it, where do we have « a lot of admin requests » ? ::That said, one more admin is always good, so create the request and I'll support it. ::Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 07:34, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :::Hi @[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]], :::Thank you! On the admin requests, on this page, here are these :::* [[#All pages in Athanasius Kircher - Turris Babel - 1679 are in Categoria:Formulae]] :::* [[#It would be nice to have automatic headers for the Liber: namespace]] (which you have replied to) :::* [[#Navigation and validation]] :::* [[#Administrator backlog?]] :::* [[#Toggling special characters such as ſ (long s)]] (altho this has been worked around and may not be needed) :::Most of these relate to the ''Pending changes'' backlog in various ways; two are requests for new features / modules to be ported across. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 09:01, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::::{{ping|JimKillock}} thanks, I see. It doesn't look like a lot to me, I'll try to deal with it today. Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 09:27, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :::::Thank you @[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] :) You could also take a look at the pending changes on [[Formula:Pagina_prima/Novae_Aetatis]] and [[Moriae encomium]]. The really big job is going through [[Specialis:PendingChanges|pending changes]] altogether - I understand there is a five year backlog. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 09:36, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::::::I see... I had a quick look and all changes seem good. Do we even need this extension on Wikisource? Also, if we keep it, I guess we need more reviewers rather than admins (more admins would be useful too, but that's a separate point). Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 10:35, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::Of course, the request needs to be supported; without active administrators it is very inconvenient. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 12:21, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::What do you need us to do? BTW, it would be great to know why edits require administrator approvals. Sorry, but I‘m afraid this makes contributing almost pointless. Many thanks for your help, --[[Usor:Ousia|Ousia]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Ousia|disputatio]]) 14:15, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :::So there are two reasons it would be helpful for me to be an admin; one is if we carry on with the approval system (it looks like we will not) and the other is around updating or adding certain components, modules for example. There may be other tasks I am not aware of that I could help with, but these are the ones I know about. Implementing Portal pages for example needs some work by an admin AIUI. :::@[[Usor:Ousia|Ousia]] your question re edits needing approval is [[#Do_we_need_to_approve_changes_to_pages|addressed below, here]]. :::In terms of what you / others need to do, it seems that if there is a consensus to allow me administrator permissions, then a bueaucrat user would implement it (I mistakenly opening a request at meta, and they referred me back here); so we just need to have your views, yes, no, maybe, etc. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 17:01, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::::The page [[Vicifons:Magistratus]], intended for promotion, seems to be protected; I couldn't edit it (''petitio grapheocrat'''ae''''') and add a category ([[:Categoria:Usores]]). [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 20:23, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :::::Thanks, it seems editable now so I [[Vicifons:Magistratus#Petitio_magistratus|added my request there]], if anyone wants to support it. Regarding ''grapheocrates -ae'', how is this declined? Is it otherwise treated as a masculine first declension? Thinking it ought to be added to Wiktionary as it is missing from there. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 17:00, 4 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::::::This is [https://archive.org/details/calepinusnovus2002/calepinusnovus2002-french-latin/page/n23/mode/1up?q=grapheocrates from Licoppe and Eichenseer]. Yes, this can be added to Wiktionary, I have no experience editing there. Thanks for the corrections, today the system let me in, but yesterday for some unknown reason it didn’t let me in. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 20:53, 4 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :::::::Thank you and no problem. I can add to Wiktionary I hope; is the plural therefore ''grapheocratae''; and is the singular ''grapheocrates'' or ''grapheocrata''? [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 07:14, 5 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::::::::Yes, of course. They took the Modern Greek word γραφειοκράτης. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 21:41, 5 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :::::::::Great, after a bit of struggle that is at [[:en:wiktionary:grapheocrates]] and [[:la:wiktionary:grapheocrates]] [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 12:43, 7 Septembris 2025 (UTC) == It would be nice to have automatic headers for the Liber: namespace == It would require someone with interface admin status to create [[MediaWiki:Proofreadpage index data config.json]] to replace the current index form parameters ([[MediaWiki:Proofreadpage index attributes|very old system]]) with special care to not mass delete information by unadvertedly changing some parameter's name. [https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Proofreadpage_index_data_config.json Example from the English Wikisource]. If someone wants to help, please contact me. Regards! [[Usor:Ignacio Rodríguez|Ignacio Rodríguez]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Ignacio Rodríguez|disputatio]]) 02:10, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :Hi @[[Usor:Ignacio Rodríguez|Ignacio Rodríguez]], potentially - if I have admin status :) [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 06:54, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::{{ping|Ignacio Rodríguez}} I did a test (by copy-pasting the English page), it works, so no need to be interface admin, being admin is enough. ::I only half understand that paramater page, could you give me the actual content expected ? ::Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 07:38, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :::I don't remember all the details but I worked on that page in the Spanish Wikisource almost a decade ago. I'll make a mockup in the talk page, but I can't promise to get all the Latin words right. For ease, parameter names and help tooltips will be in English internally, but they will show in Latin in the form. [[Usor:Ignacio Rodríguez|Ignacio Rodríguez]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Ignacio Rodríguez|disputatio]]) 16:56, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::::This was added and it now works perfectly. Thanks! [[Usor:Ignacio Rodríguez|Ignacio Rodríguez]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Ignacio Rodríguez|disputatio]]) 16:25, 5 Septembris 2025 (UTC) == Do we need to approve changes to pages == Hi all, Moving the discussion regarding the backlog at [[Specialis:PendingChanges]]: @[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] asks whether we need to have this feature. I suspect it was switched on because of spam, vandalism, or some other similar issue. Without it we might need to be keeping an eye on recent changes. I am not sure how the proteccted changes permissions works, or whether permissions to make approvals to changes can be delegated more widely. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 19:56, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :Changes to pages affecting project *function* must be controlled. But it seems that Pending Changes doesn't actually stop changes to something like a template/formula from having effect? See my report about <nowiki>Formula:Sidenotes begin</nowiki> above. :And checking a couple of the other initial items in [[Specialis:PendingChanges]], it seems that all pending changes are actually immediately applied to active, visible pages. :So Pending Changes <u>does not prevent damage</u> to the project. It is <u>merely a tracking and notification method?</u> :That can be useful, but requires a set of people to be change reviewers. And changes to subject matter would seem to require reviewers knowledgeable about the subject? :And when changes affect *function*, like templates, who can review and approve those? I'd think only admins. :The link to monitoring Recent Changes is undeniable. I monitor Recent Changes often at Spanish Wikisource because I've seen the random damage people can do. That is the only way to react quickly to damage. (?) But then that assumes people are checking lists frequently, at least daily. :Neither Pending Changes or monitoring Recent Changes prevent damage. They can be only part of a solution to damage. I don't know what to think about Pending Changes ''in isolation''. [[Usor:Shenme|Shenme]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Shenme|disputatio]]) 03:48, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::{{ping|JimKillock|Shenme}} I've got mainly two points : ::* vandlism is low to inexistant on la.ws (and it's already low on most Wikisources), making this extension useless and even problematic. Because it doesn't prevent changes but it prevents them to be effective. ::** Apparently the reason to install is [[Vicifons:Scriptorium/Vetera_VII#protection_of_completed_works_-_Flagged_Revisions_as_an_alternative?]] ::* this extension is actually caleld [[mw:Extension:FlaggedRevs]] and it's deprecated for years (see [[Vicifons:Scriptorium/Vetera_XI#Futrue_of_FlaggedRevs_(Pending_Changes)_extension]] or the warning on the extension itself « Flagged Revisions is complex, poorly documented, very clunky, and not recommended for production use »). Also, people on Wikisource don't seem to really master or even using it (including the reviewers rights). Maybe it's aan opportunity to list exactly what we need and find a new extension that fit these needs. ::In the end, I see a lot of cons and only a few pros... ::Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 07:35, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :I haven't seen any vandalism here in years. But if you fix the errors, the "Pending Changes" status means that the fixes will only be visible to registered users. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 12:10, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :{{ping|JimKillock|Shenme}} many thanks for your replies. I must admit that I’m an occasional Wikisource (or even Wikipedia contributor). I essentially (or exclusively) contribute corrections. :Some days ago, I wanted to download an ePub file for the [[Noctes Atticae]] (to do some regexp searches), but the export was wrong. I tried to modify the code (which I have done successfully for the Greek Wikisource many times) and I found out that I needed a ''nihil obstat'' (I’m afraid this would be way to name it). :Of course, I’m the least interested in vandalism (either contributing it myself, or being any collaborative project being infested/polluted by it). But I think there should be a way of distinguishing between vandalism and non-hardcore (or occasional) contributors. :I don’t know any perfect system, but it should be worth considering a mixed approach. Approval could be required for: already flagged users (for vandalism) and recent users (how about a five-year publishing embargo?). :Only to mention a case, my [https://el.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Συμπόσιον_(Πλάτων)&diff=prev&oldid=49677 first contribution to the Greek Wiksource] was in 2012. I don’t know for how long I have been registered in Wikimedia (I guess this was before 2010). :This isn’t about myself, the issue here is that Wikisource needs contributions to even exist (not to mention for its growth). If no regular user is allowed to contribute without approval, cooperation is basically non-existing. :Even with approval, the reply times are incredibly slow (because of the system). It is not that attention spans are getting shorter, time is the most scarce resource we all are (and I don’t have weeks or months to see whether I’m allowed to have [[Noctes Atticae]] as ePub). :Sorry, the sentence in parentheses isn’t a complaint. Please, do as you please, but my contribution is: consider that you might be making contributions way harder, project growth way slower and administrators’ roles way more complicated (probably, than they could and should be). :Many thanks for your help and your project, --[[Usor:Ousia|Ousia]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Ousia|disputatio]]) 17:15, 4 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::@[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] I think there is consensus we can switch this off. Let me know if I can help in any way if you think it's time to switch it off. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 18:25, 4 Octobris 2025 (UTC) :::{{ping|JimKillock}} thanks for the reminder and agreed for removal, so I created a task on Phabricator here : [[Phab:T406424]]. Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 09:42, 5 Octobris 2025 (UTC) ::::Thanks for filing this @[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] , the Wikimedia tech team seem to have finished their work on this now! [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 12:16, 18 Octobris 2025 (UTC) == Index page error "Error: Invalid interval" == I am getting an error: at [[:Liber:Nos in schola latine loquimur - Ars latine loquendi.pdf]] "Error: Invalid interval" for the paginae listing; even when set to <code><nowiki><pagelist 1=1 /></nowiki></code>. Any clues appreciated! [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 16:48, 5 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :This might be the infamous "0x0 bug" that has plagued Wikisource for two? three? years. Normally it resolves doing a purge in both the file page in Commons and in the local Wikisource. [[Usor:Ignacio Rodríguez|Ignacio Rodríguez]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Ignacio Rodríguez|disputatio]]) 19:34, 5 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::Thanks, that seems to b working now. 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Results will be available by 14 June 2026. -- In cooperation with the U4C,<section end="announcement-content" /> </div> [[m:User:Keegan (WMF)|Keegan (WMF)]] ([[m:User talk:Keegan (WMF)|talk]]) 17:15, 27 Maii 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Keegan (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Distribution_list/Global_message_delivery&oldid=30513860 --> == Formula:FI == {{tl|FI}} is currently broken and ignores the {{para|width}} param. All images are set to the default size, which is usually very large, like in [[Lirica (Ariosto)]]. [[Usor:Trooper57|Trooper57]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Trooper57|disputatio]]) 21:06, 31 Maii 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, I guess we should check how it is behaving in the Italian wiki(s)? [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 08:16, 7 Iunii 2026 (UTC) == Copyright problem? Appropriate for here? == What is going on here? * [[Scriptor:Coronus_Tenebrosius]] * [[Contemplationes_Metaphysicae]] * [[Puteus_Chaosi]] * [[Usor:Coronus Tenebrosius]] No statement of copyright. No proof of authorship. paginae vanitatis ? [[Usor:Shenme|Shenme]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Shenme|disputatio]]) 08:24, 9 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :Cum iure auctoris problemata non habebimus, si auctor ipse opera exponit. Et si delere consilium capiemus, [[Vicifons:Magistratus#Saumache|magistratus non habemus]], qui hoc faciant. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 11:37, 9 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :<blockquote>'''Salvete.''' '''Nomen meum est Krunoslav Mrkoci, et ''Coronus Tenebrosius'' est interpretatio nominis mei in linguam Latinam, id est identitas mea Latina.''' '''Confirmo me ipsum auctorem esse omnium operum hic editorum. Opera primum Croatice scripta sunt, hic autem in versione Latina proposita.''' '''Praeterea fere omnia opera mea iam antea Croatice edita sunt in forma typographica. Id praesertim ad carmina mea pertinet, quae primum anno 1998 in libello iuvenili edita sunt, deinde in variis commentariis typis impressis, inter quos eminenter numeratur periodicum litterarium, culturalis et scientificum ''Riječi'' (Latine: ''Verba''), quod bis delectum e carminibus meis protulit.''' '''Item magna pars commentationum aliarumque prosarum, quae hic in linguam Latinam conversa sunt, iam antea et typis et forma electronica in Croatia divulgata est.''' Quaeso ut attendatis ad paginam meam in Wikidata, ubi tam sub nomine Croatico ''Krunoslav Mrkoci'' quam sub nomine Latino ''Coronus Tenebrosius'' ut auctor operum meorum inscriptus sum. Gratias ago pro lectione. '''Coronus Tenebrosius'''.</blockquote> [[Usor:Coronus Tenebrosius|Coronus Tenebrosius]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Coronus Tenebrosius|disputatio]]) 12:23, 9 Iunii 2026 (UTC) == Copying some templates from the English Wikisource == Hello, Would someone please be able to help me get [[s:en:Template:ppoem|en:Template:ppoem]], [[s:en:blackletter|en:blackletter]], [[s:en:Template:he|en:Template:he]], and [[s:en:Template:grc|en:Template:grc]] available to use on this Wikisource, so I can utilize them here? For the blackletter, I've tried [[Formula:Gothica|Gothica]], but that doesn't seem to be rendering properly. Thanks, [[Usor:Erblanchard57|Erblanchard57]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Erblanchard57|disputatio]]) 00:04, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :@[[Usor:Erblanchard57|Erblanchard57]] I made the shortcut for [[Formula:Graeca]]. You should not need any administror rights to do anything you need, I'll take a look into it. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 09:46, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :Blackletter is already here, [[:Formula:Gothica]] [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 10:57, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC) ::Hi! @[[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]], thanks! Just for clarification, do I need to make the template pages in Latin, or is it alright to copy them in English? Also, @[[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]], I mentioned this above, but for some reason, the Gothica template isn't working for me. See [[Pagina:Polygamia Triumphatrix.pdf/15]], for example. Any idea why that might be the case? [[Usor:Erblanchard57|Erblanchard57]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Erblanchard57|disputatio]]) 16:16, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :::@[[Usor:Erblanchard57|Erblanchard57]] This wiki lacks proper guidelines and recommendations, I would prefer if you translated the template's name, e.g., [[Formula:spatium]] rather than [[Formula:spatio]] but given the international nature of the project (nobody's mother tongue is Latin) best practice should be to add translated names as shortcuts/redirects. Beware adding templates that are already on the wiki under a different name ([[Formula:grc]] was already at [[Formula:Graeca]]). I took a quick look and it seems the fonts used by the blackletter template are not installed on the wiki; the same template does not seem to work on the French Wikisource either. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 17:40, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC) ::::Maybe we have sufficient powers to add the fonts now? Or we can ask someone with additional permissions to do so. But yes I remember now this has been a long standing problem. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 20:54, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :::[https://yaytext.com/fraktur/ This converter] 𝔠𝔬𝔫𝔳𝔢𝔯𝔱𝔰 𝔩𝔢𝔱𝔱𝔢𝔯𝔰 𝔱𝔬 𝔉𝔯𝔞𝔨𝔱𝔲𝔯 (because it exists in Unicode as separate characters). <s>However, I'm not sure if such text can be found using a regular search.</s> No, Wikipedia search finds it. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 21:48, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC) ::::I looked into using the converter, but I'm running into the issue of lack of compatibility with {{[[Formula:Ls|Ls]]}}. Would it be better to just wait for the font to be added? Do we have any idea when that will happen/who needs to be contacted for that to happen? ::::Thanks, [[Usor:Erblanchard57|Erblanchard57]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Erblanchard57|disputatio]]) 19:34, 15 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :::::These Unicode characters don't feel right on my labtop, they have heigth issues among other things. I went and asked on two different wikis about the fonts, I will come back to you when I get some answers. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 19:41, 15 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :[[Formula:Poema recte formatum]] or [[Formula:Ppoem]] now work, altho there's issues with the documentation page. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 20:52, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC) ::Thank you! [[Usor:Erblanchard57|Erblanchard57]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Erblanchard57|disputatio]]) 21:20, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :{{tl|blackletter}} was not working for me, even after locally installing UnifrakturMaguntia from Google fonts, until I restarted my web browser, which also followed my rebooting. Also, it can't be just any gothic/blackletter font, but must be one of these Fraktur fonts: UnifrakturMaguntia UnifrakturCook Unifraktur. [[Usor:Shenme|Shenme]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Shenme|disputatio]]) 21:19, 15 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :{{ping|Demetrius Talpa|JimKillock|Erblanchard57}} Fonts are downloaded locally, you need to go to Modi/Praeferentiae > Proprietates > Sermonis delectus > Plura > Scripturae and toggle "Download fonts when needed". The option seems not to be that easy to toggle on by default. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 10:56, 17 Iunii 2026 (UTC) ::Yes, great. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 11:09, 17 Iunii 2026 (UTC) ::Thank you very much! [[Usor:Erblanchard57|Erblanchard57]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Erblanchard57|disputatio]]) 15:57, 17 Iunii 2026 (UTC) ::English WS seems to pull the font in from a repository. I've copied over the module ULS, css etc, would be good to know if it has made any difference. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 13:26, 18 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :::{{blackletter|fraktur}} etc [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 13:26, 18 Iunii 2026 (UTC) mr4vpj77z8v65ziqbyl0k2bpnh77nfo 272340 272322 2026-06-19T04:32:45Z Erblanchard57 30712 /* Copying some templates from the English Wikisource */ Reply 272340 wikitext text/x-wiki __NEWSECTIONLINK__ <!--- __NOTOC__ --->[[Categoria:Vicifons|Scriptorium]] {{Intraincepti |w= Vicipaedia:Taberna |q= Vicicitatio:Taberna |commons: <!-- Communia --> |b= Vicilibri:Porta Communis |wikt= Victionarium:Taberna |m= <!-- Meta --> |wikispecies= <!-- Vicispecies --> |n= <!-- Vicinuntii --> }} <div class="toccolours" style="text-align:center; font-size:14pt; background:#eef; color:navy; "> Hac pagina scriptorium Vicifontis est.<br /> <small><small>Nunc iam sunt '''{{NUMBEROFARTICLES}}''' paginae. 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Fortunately, the list of changes made since the import of on Wikisource can be found [https://web.archive.org/web/20240122025223/https://vulsearch.sourceforge.net/clemtext.rss here]. There is also [https://bitbucket.org/clementinetextproject/text/downloads/ a repository] (although I am not sure if it is up to date). I have no experience in programming or making imports. So, could someone please update the text of [[Vulgata Clementina]] of Wikisource to use the latest version of ''The Clementine Vulgate Project''? [[Usor:Veverve|Veverve]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Veverve|disputatio]]) 10:01, 23 Februarii 2025 (UTC) :@[[Usor:Ser be etre shi|Ser be etre shi]] Are you able to help with this? Ping in case so. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 19:27, 3 Iulii 2025 (UTC) :@[[Usor:Veverve|Veverve]] Just checking these look like quite a small number of changes, is that right? It may be easiest to do these manually. 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In cooperation with the U4C -- <section end="announcement-content" /> </div> <div lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr"> [[m:User:Keegan (WMF)|Keegan (WMF)]] ([[m:User talk:Keegan (WMF)|talk]]) 03:41, 29 Aprilis 2025 (UTC)</div> <!-- Message sent by User:Keegan (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Distribution_list/Global_message_delivery&oldid=28618011 --> == Toggling special characters such as ſ (long s) == On EN wikisource, they have a template <nowiki>{{longs}}</nowiki> to produce ''ſ'' on the transcription page, and by default, ''s'' on the ebook page. users on EN WS can toggle these on and off. In this book, [[:la:Liber:Nicolaus Machiavellus De Principe.pdf|''De principe'']], there are a number of unusual characters that could do with toggling: ''ſ (s); ß (ss); ẽ (en / em) ũ (un / um) æ (ae) ę (ae) õ (on / om) ã (an / am) œ (oe)''. ([[:formula:ls]] already exists here for ſ, and some other characters semi-implemented at [[:Categoria:Formulae litterarum]] but the toggling is not switched on.) In order to implement this: (1) What would LA WiCategoria:Formulae litterarumkisource need to enable for user toggling of special characters? (2) Who would I contact (assuming this is an admin task)? [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 10:06, 29 Aprilis 2025 (UTC) :It looks like it would need this installing, as a start: [[:en:MediaWiki:Gadget-Visibility.js|MediaWiki:Gadget-Visibility.js]] [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 11:13, 29 Aprilis 2025 (UTC) :{{ping|OrbiliusMagister}} as the only active magister! --[[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 11:16, 29 Aprilis 2025 (UTC) :{{ping|SZC 03}} in case you have an opinion (you made changes at the De Pricipia transcription project which we could implement better with this toggle feature). [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 07:31, 30 Aprilis 2025 (UTC) ::I would like to point out that not all of the listed characters are of the same kind: ::* ſ is a variant of s; ::* ß, æ and œ are [[:w:en:Ligature (writing)|ligatures]] of ſs, ae and oe respectively ([[:w:en:E caudata|ę]] can represent both ae or oe); ::* ã, ẽ, õ, ũ are used to indicate [[:w:en:Scribal abbreviation|abbreviations]]. ::Personally I think it would be somewhat useful to implement the toggle feature only for æ and œ, since of all the ligatures they are the only ones that carry some meaning (that ae or oe in that word is a diphthong) and the only ones that easily show up in search results and correctly displayed in web-browsers. ::Note that both English and Italian wikisources in their transcription guidelines take in consideration the ability of both modern readers and search engines to correctly interpret the character shown (see [[:en:Wikisource:Style guide/Orthography]] and [[:it:Wikisource:Convenzioni di trascrizione]]). Though it would be useful to write rules specific to the Latin wikisource. ::I hope these considerations were of any help. [[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:SZC 03|disputatio]]) 07:58, 3 Maii 2025 (UTC) ::In regards to the [[Liber:Nicolaus Machiavellus De Principe.pdf|''De principe'']] it would be appropriate to encode the text in a way that we do not lose your work of accurately transcribing the above characters, while still showing to the end user a normalized form. My edit was trying to achieve this with the templates currently in wikisource. ::From a technical standpoint, it would be useful to have a general template not specific to any character that could be used both in ''ad hoc'' situations, and in creating other templates. ::Also if such a template is created for abbreviations it should behave differently from the long s and ligatures, since 1) the text displayed is context dependent, and 2) it is common use in diplomatic transcriptions to show the abbreviated characters in parentheses (so I were taught in paleography class). ::To give an example of point 2 from the text ([[Pagina:Nicolaus_Machiavellus_De_Principe.pdf/69|page 45]], line 11): ::Original text: Iãq́ꝫ ::Diplomatic transcription: Ia(m)q(ue) ::Standard transcription: Iamque ::I’m sorry for the lengthy comments. [[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:SZC 03|disputatio]]) 11:02, 3 Maii 2025 (UTC) :::I agree something adhoc would be helpful. The template would need to specify :::* the text as-is and :::* the modernised version :::and hopefully there would be a system to pick up which to display. :::In terms of the display: this could be the js system, perhaps adapted, that we have on en.ws, or possibly it could be an adjustment to the page templates set up, to allow two different books, or sets of pages, to be presented. This would have the advantage that exports would facilitate both (IDK but suspect that exports support the default rather than user choice). [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 15:48, 3 Maii 2025 (UTC) :::I have set out this information in a [[Usor:JimKillock/Orthography|table]] including information about dictionary lookups and likely search engine issues. In short, from a user perspective, all the characters can be problematic, but æ and œ work within Alpheios for dictionary lookups, so are a bit more tolerable than the others from a default perspective. However I think it is useful tobe able to see and use the originals for some people, eg those practicing reading Renaissance scans etc; or researchers or academics looking to use source texts. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 16:09, 3 Maii 2025 (UTC) :{{ping|Alex brollo}}, {{ping|VIGNERON}}, {{ping|Candalua}} in case you can help. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 07:38, 30 Aprilis 2025 (UTC) ::@[[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] Interesting question. I'll take a look to the ensource template to understand how it works (I hope it is not based on javascript). [[Usor:Alex brollo|Alex brollo]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Alex brollo|disputatio]]) 06:18, 1 Maii 2025 (UTC) :::I’m afraid it is based on javascript: [[:en:MediaWiki:Gadget-Visibility.js]] :::To see the button you have to enable the [[:en:Help:Gadget-Visibility|Visibility gadget]]. [[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:SZC 03|disputatio]]) 11:12, 3 Maii 2025 (UTC) :::@[[Usor:Alex brollo|Alex brollo]] checking in whether we can implement this, or find another solution. I am holding off further changes until I know how to proceed - but I am sure there should be a way to do this! [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 20:40, 19 Maii 2025 (UTC) :::Noting this question comes up again at [[:Liber:Foenix. Domini Petri Ravennatis memoriae magistri - (Petrus) (IA hin-wel-all-00002799-001).pdf]] (I have [[Disputatio Libri:Foenix. Domini Petri Ravennatis memoriae magistri - (Petrus) (IA hin-wel-all-00002799-001).pdf|left a note there]]). [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 09:08, 15 Iunii 2025 (UTC) ::::OK, I have developed templates as this is holding up other people's work. I have based each template on the existing [[:formula:ls]], and avoid duplicating those that already exist using the same method at [[:Categoria:Formulae litterarum]]. Meantime if anyone has further thoughts about using Visibility Gadget or going another way, I would be very grateful. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 18:02, 17 Iunii 2025 (UTC) :::::@[[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] I have made a very basic template for flexible character switching at [[Formula:Scr]]; this returns the first entry on the book page, and the second in main space, eg <nowiki>{{scr|qꝫ|que}}</nowiki> would work the same as <nowiki>{{que}}</nowiki>. :::::However there is advice on ENWS not to use characters but use HTML entities for CSS reasons, so it is probably better for users to use specific templates. For example, I also created <nowiki>{{po}}</nowiki> which allows a user to decide what it might best represent, eg <nowiki>{{po|;}} or {{po|?}}</nowiki>. :::::In general, using set templates like <nowiki>{{que}}, {{em}}, {{um}}, {{etc}}</nowiki> is much easier for proofing, so I think I will continue to add these where it seems useful. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 08:29, 24 Iunii 2025 (UTC) ::::::Hi folks, so that you know, I have made something of a workaround to be able to enable these features, which works well enough for me. I will perhaps add some guidance somewhere. What I have done: ::::::# Installed the font Garamontio, as it has the qꝫ character, and all the possible ligatures ::::::# Created custom css to apply Garamontio to Wikisource as a whole; at [[Usor:JimKillock/common.css]]; and ::::::# Created (vibecoded) custom javascript at [[Usor:JimKillock/common.js]] ::::::The second script looks for the various spans with the css style typographic-long-s, and replaces the characters as appropriate. This seems to work surprisingly well, Garamontio does all of the discretionary ligatures etc, and is a very well designed font (fork of EB Garamond, with some extra touches useful here). The issue is of course that this applies to the whole of Latin Wikisource all of the time. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 18:35, 25 Iunii 2025 (UTC) :::::::@[[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]], reading this I wanted to tell you that you could apply styles to a index page, but I see you have already figured it out. Kudos on your progress. [[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:SZC 03|disputatio]]) 09:56, 9 Iulii 2025 (UTC) ::::::::Thanks @[[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]]; my list of scribal transformations has got quite long tho. And I need to check on the possible logic of it, some needs to hide and unhide, rather than search and replace. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 08:27, 11 Iulii 2025 (UTC) == We will be enabling the new Charts extension on your wiki soon! == ''(Apologies for posting in English)'' Hi all! We have good news to share regarding the ongoing problem with graphs and charts affecting all wikis that use them. As you probably know, the [[:mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Graph|old Graph extension]] was disabled in 2023 [[listarchive:list/wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org/thread/EWL4AGBEZEDMNNFTM4FRD4MHOU3CVESO/|due to security reasons]]. We’ve worked in these two years to find a solution that could replace the old extension, and provide a safer and better solution to users who wanted to showcase graphs and charts in their articles. We therefore developed the [[:mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Chart|Charts extension]], which will be replacing the old Graph extension and potentially also the [[:mw:Extension:EasyTimeline|EasyTimeline extension]]. After successfully deploying the extension on Italian, Swedish, and Hebrew Wikipedia, as well as on MediaWiki.org, as part of a pilot phase, we are now happy to announce that we are moving forward with the next phase of deployment, which will also include your wiki. The deployment will happen in batches, and will start from '''May 6'''. Please, consult [[:mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Chart/Project#Deployment Timeline|our page on MediaWiki.org]] to discover when the new Charts extension will be deployed on your wiki. 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If you have any questions, you can ask on [[m:Talk:Universal Code of Conduct/Coordinating Committee/Election/2025|the discussion page for the election]]. -- in cooperation with the U4C, </div><section end="announcement-content" /> </div> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[m:User:Keegan (WMF)|Keegan (WMF)]] ([[m:User_talk:Keegan (WMF)|disputatio]])</bdi> 22:08, 15 Maii 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Keegan (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Distribution_list/Global_message_delivery&oldid=28618011 --> == RfC ongoing regarding Abstract Wikipedia (and your project) == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr"> ''(Apologies for posting in English, if this is not your first language)'' Hello all! We opened a discussion on Meta about a very delicate issue for the development of [[:m:Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia|Abstract Wikipedia]]: where to store the abstract content that will be developed through functions from Wikifunctions and data from Wikidata. Since some of the hypothesis involve your project, we wanted to hear your thoughts too. We want to make the decision process clear: we do not yet know which option we want to use, which is why we are consulting here. We will take the arguments from the Wikimedia communities into account, and we want to consult with the different communities and hear arguments that will help us with the decision. The decision will be made and communicated after the consultation period by the Foundation. You can read the various hypothesis and have your say at [[:m:Abstract Wikipedia/Location of Abstract Content|Abstract Wikipedia/Location of Abstract Content]]. 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The Board invites the whole movement to participate in this year’s selection process and vote to fill those seats. The Elections Committee will oversee this process with support from Foundation staff [2]. The Governance Committee, composed of trustees who are not candidates in the 2025 community-and-affiliate-selected trustee selection process (Raju Narisetti, Shani Evenstein Sigalov, Lorenzo Losa, Kathy Collins, Victoria Doronina and Esra’a Al Shafei) [3], is tasked with providing Board oversight for the 2025 trustee selection process and for keeping the Board informed. More details on the roles of the Elections Committee, Board, and staff are here [4]. Here are the key planned dates: * May 22 – June 5: Announcement (this communication) and call for questions period [6] * June 17 – July 1, 2025: Call for candidates * July 2025: If needed, affiliates vote to shortlist candidates if more than 10 apply [5] * August 2025: Campaign period * August – September 2025: Two-week community voting period * October – November 2025: Background check of selected candidates * Board’s Meeting in December 2025: New trustees seated Learn more about the 2025 selection process - including the detailed timeline, the candidacy process, the campaign rules, and the voter eligibility criteria - on this Meta-wiki page [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025|[link]]]. '''Call for Questions''' In each selection process, the community has the opportunity to submit questions for the Board of Trustees candidates to answer. The Election Committee selects questions from the list developed by the community for the candidates to answer. Candidates must answer all the required questions in the application in order to be eligible; otherwise their application will be disqualified. This year, the Election Committee will select 5 questions for the candidates to answer. The selected questions may be a combination of what’s been submitted from the community, if they’re alike or related. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/Questions_for_candidates|[link]]] '''Election Volunteers''' Another way to be involved with the 2025 selection process is to be an Election Volunteer. Election Volunteers are a bridge between the Elections Committee and their respective community. They help ensure their community is represented and mobilize them to vote. Learn more about the program and how to join on this Meta-wiki page [[m:Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/Election_volunteers|[link].]] Thank you! [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2022/Results [2] https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Committee:Elections_Committee_Charter [3] https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Resolution:Committee_Membership,_December_2024 [4] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections_committee/Roles [5] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/FAQ [6] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/Questions_for_candidates Best regards, Victoria Doronina Board Liaison to the Elections Committee Governance Committee<section end="announcement-content" /> </div> [[Usor:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:MediaWiki message delivery|disputatio]]) 03:08, 28 Maii 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:RamzyM (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Distribution_list/Global_message_delivery&oldid=28618011 --> == Administrator backlog? == Hi there, I am noticing a lot of pages that say that the current version is not checked; and versions I have amended are not (apparently) displayed because they need approval. Am I right in assuming this is due to a lack of (active) administrator time? [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 10:53, 30 Maii 2025 (UTC) :Relatedly @[[Usor:Alex brollo|Alex brollo]] / @[[Usor:OrbiliusMagister|OrbiliusMagister]] / other admins, [[Colloquia familiaria]] has an old index page and other old sub pages which could do with changes being approved. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 11:58, 12 Iunii 2025 (UTC) ::Ping on this, some of the sub pages are quite broken. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 09:42, 28 Iunii 2025 (UTC) :I have tried to fix the lack of text in ePub export for [[Noctes Atticae]]. :Unfortunately, it seems that all my submissions require approval (last approval seems to have taken place more than five years ago). :Is there any way to have <code>class="ws-export"</code> to the second <code>&lt;table&gt;</code> from [[Noctes Atticae]]? :Many thanks for your help, [[Usor:Ousia|Ousia]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Ousia|disputatio]]) 19:09, 15 Augusti 2025 (UTC) == Vote now in the 2025 U4C Election == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr"> Apologies for writing in English. {{Int:Please-translate}} Eligible voters are asked to participate in the 2025 [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/Coordinating_Committee|Universal Code of Conduct Coordinating Committee]] election. More information–including an eligibility check, voting process information, candidate information, and a link to the vote–are available on Meta at the [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/Coordinating_Committee/Election/2025|2025 Election information page]]. The vote closes on 17 June 2025 at [https://zonestamp.toolforge.org/1750161600 12:00 UTC]. Please vote if your account is eligible. Results will be available by 1 July 2025. -- In cooperation with the U4C, [[m:User:Keegan (WMF)|Keegan (WMF)]] ([[m:User talk:Keegan (WMF)|talk]]) 23:01, 13 Iunii 2025 (UTC) </div> <!-- Message sent by User:Keegan (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Distribution_list/Global_message_delivery&oldid=28848819 --> == Mnemonics Book in Latin == Dear all, Over the past month, with the help of others, I’ve been compiling a list of older and often overlooked books on mnemonic techniques available on [[:en:Portal:Mnemonics|Wikisource English]]. Many of these works—some dating back decades or even centuries—offer fascinating insights into how memory has been understood, trained, and improved across different cultures and time periods. I've recently added a new section to the portal: "Multilingual Works on Mnemonic Techniques." This is in part because several of the English-language texts reference related works in other languages, particularly Latin. Unfortunately, many of these referenced works are written in Classical Latin, and my ability to work with them is quite limited—I’ve done what I can, but they remain largely inaccessible to me. If anyone has expertise in Classical Latin and might be willing to help with these texts, your assistance would be greatly appreciated. * ''[[:la:Foenix|Foenix]] by [[w:en:Peter of Ravenna|Peter of Ravenna]]'' (1491) * ''[[:la:Congestorium Artificiose Memorie|Congestorium Artificiose Memorie]]'' by Johann Horst von Romberch (1533) [[File:Johann Romberch, Congestorium artificiose... Wellcome L0032259.jpg|150px]][[File:Johann Romberch, Congestorium artificiose... Wellcome L0032269.jpg|150px]] Here is a discussion form on it https://forum.artofmemory.com/t/johannes-romberchs-congestorium-artificiose-memorie/30174 Warm regards [[Specialis:Conlationes/82.167.147.5|82.167.147.5]] 23:15, 13 Iunii 2025 (UTC) :Hi there, I could help proofing texts you have prepared perhaps? [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 09:57, 14 Iunii 2025 (UTC) :: Thanks for offering—I’d really appreciate your help with proofreading. :: We have two books. Which one would you like to start with? ::*[[Liber:Foenix. Domini Petri Ravennatis memoriae magistri - (Petrus) (IA hin-wel-all-00002799-001).pdf]] ::*[[Liber:Congestorium artificiose memorie ... - V.P.F. Joa(n)nis Romberch de Kyrspe. Regularis obseruantie predicatorie- (IA hin-wel-all-00002875-001).pdf]] ::[[Specialis:Conlationes/82.167.147.5|82.167.147.5]] 21:49, 14 Iunii 2025 (UTC) :::I can do the pages you have put into the first, as a start for you. BTW the transcribed text does not always look like it originated from the source. It is very correct, but some has different orthography and missed certain parts. That is fine of course if we are correcting to the original. (PS: you might want to create a user account so that you can be notified of replies, hide your IP address, etc). [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 08:57, 15 Iunii 2025 (UTC) :::I had a go at the first page or two; some of the orthography was removed while other parts were kept. I kept all of it as a first go. See the discussion above about how we treat orthography, hopefully we can address this with templates. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 09:11, 15 Iunii 2025 (UTC) ::::I'm using Google OCR and some AI tools to pull out text and sometimes translate it into English so I can understand it. If anyone could help me proofread or check it, I’d be super grateful! [[Specialis:Conlationes/82.167.147.5|82.167.147.5]] 00:50, 17 Iunii 2025 (UTC) :::::I have added all the templates we need for the special characters / orthography, I will start doing the pages with those. The end result will be that on the main space ebook pages, the chars will toggle on and off, at least once that is properly implemented. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 19:25, 17 Iunii 2025 (UTC) ::::::Noted, sounds good. I’ll try adding to the other pages next time. [[Specialis:Conlationes/82.167.147.5|82.167.147.5]] 22:10, 17 Iunii 2025 (UTC) == <span lang="en" dir="ltr">Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees 2025 - Call for Candidates</span> == <div lang="en" dir="ltr"> <section begin="announcement-content" /> :''<div class="plainlinks">[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation elections/2025/Announcement/Call for candidates|{{int:interlanguage-link-mul}}]] • [https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Translate&group=page-{{urlencode:Wikimedia Foundation elections/2025/Announcement/Call for candidates}}&language=&action=page&filter= {{int:please-translate}}]</div> Hello all, The [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation elections/2025|call for candidates for the 2025 Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees selection is now open]] from June 17, 2025 – July 2, 2025 at 11:59 UTC [1]. The Board of Trustees oversees the Wikimedia Foundation's work, and each Trustee serves a three-year term [2]. This is a volunteer position. This year, the Wikimedia community will vote in late August through September 2025 to fill two (2) seats on the Foundation Board. Could you – or someone you know – be a good fit to join the Wikimedia Foundation's Board of Trustees? [3] Learn more about what it takes to stand for these leadership positions and how to submit your candidacy on [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation elections/2025/Candidate application|this Meta-wiki page]] or encourage someone else to run in this year's election. Best regards, Abhishek Suryawanshi<br /> Chair of the Elections Committee On behalf of the Elections Committee and Governance Committee [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/Call_for_candidates [2] https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Legal:Bylaws#(B)_Term. [3] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/Resources_for_candidates<section end="announcement-content" /> </div> [[Usor:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:MediaWiki message delivery|disputatio]]) 17:44, 17 Iunii 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:RamzyM (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Distribution_list/Global_message_delivery&oldid=28866958 --> == [[De Principe]] == Si vis, quaeso, me adiuva ut liber novus ''[[De Principe]]'' correctus sit et erroribus liber. Nuper completus, ab aliquo alio corrigendus est. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 18:14, 27 Iunii 2025 (UTC) == <span lang="en" dir="ltr">Sister Projects Task Force reviews Wikispore and Wikinews</span> == <div lang="en" dir="ltr"> <section begin="message"/> Dear Wikimedia Community, The [[m:Wikimedia Foundation Community Affairs Committee|Community Affairs Committee (CAC)]] of the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees assigned [[m:Wikimedia Foundation Community Affairs Committee/Sister Projects Task Force|the Sister Projects Task Force (SPTF)]] to update and implement a procedure for assessing the lifecycle of Sister Projects – wiki [[m:Wikimedia projects|projects supported by Wikimedia Foundation (WMF)]]. A vision of relevant, accessible, and impactful free knowledge has always guided the Wikimedia Movement. As the ecosystem of Wikimedia projects continues to evolve, it is crucial that we periodically review existing projects to ensure they still align with our goals and community capacity. Despite their noble intent, some projects may no longer effectively serve their original purpose. '''Reviewing such projects is not about giving up – it's about responsible stewardship of shared resources'''. Volunteer time, staff support, infrastructure, and community attention are finite, and the non-technical costs tend to grow significantly as our ecosystem has entered a different age of the internet than the one we were founded in. Supporting inactive projects or projects that didn't meet our ambitions can unintentionally divert these resources from areas with more potential impact. Moreover, maintaining projects that no longer reflect the quality and reliability of the Wikimedia name stands for, involves a reputational risk. An abandoned or less reliable project affects trust in the Wikimedia movement. Lastly, '''failing to sunset or reimagine projects that are no longer working can make it much harder to start new ones'''. When the community feels bound to every past decision – no matter how outdated – we risk stagnation. A healthy ecosystem must allow for evolution, adaptation, and, when necessary, letting go. If we create the expectation that every project must exist indefinitely, we limit our ability to experiment and innovate. Because of this, SPTF reviewed two requests concerning the lifecycle of the Sister Projects to work through and demonstrate the review process. We chose Wikispore as a case study for a possible new Sister Project opening and Wikinews as a case study for a review of an existing project. Preliminary findings were discussed with the CAC, and a community consultation on both proposals was recommended. === Wikispore === The [[m:Wikispore|application to consider Wikispore]] was submitted in 2019. SPTF decided to review this request in more depth because rather than being concentrated on a specific topic, as most of the proposals for the new Sister Projects are, Wikispore has the potential to nurture multiple start-up Sister Projects. After careful consideration, the SPTF has decided '''not to recommend''' Wikispore as a Wikimedia Sister Project. Considering the current activity level, the current arrangement allows '''better flexibility''' and experimentation while WMF provides core infrastructural support. We acknowledge the initiative's potential and seek community input on what would constitute a sufficient level of activity and engagement to reconsider its status in the future. As part of the process, we shared the decision with the Wikispore community and invited one of its leaders, Pharos, to an SPTF meeting. Currently, we especially invite feedback on measurable criteria indicating the project's readiness, such as contributor numbers, content volume, and sustained community support. This would clarify the criteria sufficient for opening a new Sister Project, including possible future Wikispore re-application. However, the numbers will always be a guide because any number can be gamed. === Wikinews === We chose to review Wikinews among existing Sister Projects because it is the one for which we have observed the highest level of concern in multiple ways. Since the SPTF was convened in 2023, its members have asked for the community's opinions during conferences and community calls about Sister Projects that did not fulfil their promise in the Wikimedia movement.[https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:WCNA_2024._Sister_Projects_-_opening%3F_closing%3F_merging%3F_splitting%3F.pdf <nowiki>[1]</nowiki>][https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Community_Affairs_Committee/Sister_Projects_Task_Force#Wikimania_2023_session_%22Sister_Projects:_past,_present_and_the_glorious_future%22 <nowiki>[2]</nowiki>][https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiConvention_francophone/2024/Programme/Quelle_proc%C3%A9dure_pour_ouvrir_ou_fermer_un_projet_%3F <nowiki>[3]</nowiki>] Wikinews was the leading candidate for an evaluation because people from multiple language communities proposed it. Additionally, by most measures, it is the least active Sister Project, with the greatest drop in activity over the years. While the Language Committee routinely opens and closes language versions of the Sister Projects in small languages, there has never been a valid proposal to close Wikipedia in major languages or any project in English. This is not true for Wikinews, where there was a proposal to close English Wikinews, which gained some traction but did not result in any action[https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Closure_of_English_Wikinews <nowiki>[4]</nowiki>][https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiConvention_francophone/2024/Programme/Quelle_proc%C3%A9dure_pour_ouvrir_ou_fermer_un_projet_%3F <nowiki>[5]</nowiki>, see section 5] as well as a draft proposal to close all languages of Wikinews[https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Proposals_for_closing_projects/Archive_2#Close_Wikinews_completely,_all_languages? <nowiki>[6]</nowiki>]. [[:c:File:Sister Projects Taskforce Wikinews review 2024.pdf|Initial metrics]] compiled by WMF staff also support the community's concerns about Wikinews. Based on this report, SPTF recommends a community reevaluation of Wikinews. We conclude that its current structure and activity levels are the lowest among the existing sister projects. SPTF also recommends pausing the opening of new language editions while the consultation runs. SPTF brings this analysis to a discussion and welcomes discussions of alternative outcomes, including potential restructuring efforts or integration with other Wikimedia initiatives. '''Options''' mentioned so far (which might be applied to just low-activity languages or all languages) include but are not limited to: *Restructure how Wikinews works and is linked to other current events efforts on the projects, *Merge the content of Wikinews into the relevant language Wikipedias, possibly in a new namespace, *Merge content into compatibly licensed external projects, *Archive Wikinews projects. Your insights and perspectives are invaluable in shaping the future of these projects. We encourage all interested community members to share their thoughts on the relevant discussion pages or through other designated feedback channels. === Feedback and next steps === We'd be grateful if you want to take part in a conversation on the future of these projects and the review process. We are setting up two different project pages: [[m:Public consultation about Wikispore|Public consultation about Wikispore]] and [[m:Public consultation about Wikinews|Public consultation about Wikinews]]. Please participate between 27 June 2025 and 27 July 2025, after which we will summarize the discussion to move forward. You can write in your own language. I will also host a community conversation 16th July Wednesday 11.00 UTC and 17th July Thursday 17.00 UTC (call links to follow shortly) and will be around at Wikimania for more discussions. <section end="message"/> </div> -- [[User:Victoria|Victoria]] on behalf of the Sister Project Task Force, 20:57, 27 Iunii 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Johan (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Johan_(WMF)/Sister_project_MassMassage_on_behalf_of_Victoria/Target_list&oldid=28911188 --> == Latin incunabula and other early books == Expanding a bit on what I mentioned above, re character toggling, and also working on the books [[Foenix]] and [[Congestorium Artificiosae Memoriae]] * the Transkribus Latin Incunabula scan does a great job on the heavy gothic style print * I will see how it does with more Garamond-style texts, in case it works with these * I have developed a fairly full set of templates for scribal characters, see [[:Categoria:Formulae litterarum]] * I am thinking about using a bot to wholesale search and replace long s, and other scribal characters mapped there Between these things, the work to transcribe and correct early printed Latin books should be very much reduced. If anyone feels like helping test this out, do give me shout. Meantime I will run tests on Congestorium Artificiosae Memoriae to check how well the bot system works. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 07:50, 1 Iulii 2025 (UTC) :The folks at Wikisource helped create a JS solution for this, see [[Usor:JimKillock/incunabula.js]]. The script does a search and replace for what is needed, on the '''first save of a new book page'''; these are the settings for the Incunabula style section of [[Liber:Foenix. Domini Petri Ravennatis memoriae magistri - (Petrus) (IA hin-wel-all-00002799-001).pdf|this scan, p 52 onwards]] for [[Congestorium Artificiose Memorie]]. It seems to work very well and is extremely labour saving! [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 22:59, 1 Iulii 2025 (UTC) == Navigation and validation == Hi there, I would like to do some work on navigation, to provide some "portal" pages similar to EN Wikisource. For example, this would help with learner texts a lot 9I often get asked how to find these texts, I point to the category pages, but these are very basic. I would also like to know what we should do about page validation. Some really necessary changes are currently languishing in the backlog. This is an admin only task: should we asking for more administrators, or is this something existing admins here can take on? [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 14:08, 13 Iulii 2025 (UTC) :Hi {{U|JimKillock}} good idea, don't hesitate to start and/or ask for help. That said, I'm not sure to see why this is an admin task (even if, yes, the underlying point is true, we need more admins). Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 09:31, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::@[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] I think the Portal namespace and some modules need setting up which require admin permissions, I will dig a bit further and come back to you. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 20:01, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) == Wikidata Item and Property labels soon displayed in Wiki Watchlist/Recent Changes == ''(Apologies for posting in English, you can help by translating into your language)'' Hello everyone, the [[m:Wikidata_For_Wikimedia_Projects/Clearer_Wikidata_Edit_Summaries/Resolve_Labels|Wikidata For Wikimedia Projects]] team is excited to announce an upcoming change in how Wikidata edit changelogs are displayed in your [[Special:Watchlist|Watchlists]] and [[Special:RecentChanges|Recent Changes]] lists. If an edit is made on Wikidata that affects a page in another Wikimedia Project, the changelog will contain some information about the nature of the edit. This can include a QID (or Q-number), a PID (or P-number) and a value (which can be text, numbers, dates, or also QID or PID’s). Confused by these terms? See the [[d:Special:MyLanguage/Wikidata:Glossary|Wikidata:Glossary]] for further explanations. The upcoming change is scheduled for '''17.07.2025''', between '''1300 - 1500 UTC'''. The change will display the label (item name) alongside any QID or PIDs, as seen in the image below: [[File:Apr10 edit summary on Wikidata.png|An edit sum entry on Wikidata, labels display alongside their P- and Q-no.'s]] These changes will only be visible if you have Wikidata edits enabled in your User Preferences for Watchlists and Recent Changes, or have the active filter ‘Wikidata edits’ checkbox toggled on, directly on the Watchlist and Recent Changes pages. Your bot and gadget may be affected! There are thousands of bots, gadgets and user-scripts and whilst we have researched potential effects to many of them, we cannot guarantee there won’t be some that are broken or affected by this change. Further information and context about this change, including how your bot may be affected can be found on this [[m:Wikidata_For_Wikimedia_Projects/Clearer_Wikidata_Edit_Summaries/Resolve_Labels|project task page]]. We welcome your questions and feedback, please write to us on this dedicated [[m:Talk:Wikidata_For_Wikimedia_Projects/Clearer_Wikidata_Edit_Summaries/Resolve_Labels|Talk page]]. Thank you, - [[m:User:Danny_Benjafield_(WMDE)|Danny Benjafield (WMDE)]] on behalf of the Wikidata For Wikimedia Projects Team. [[Usor:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:MediaWiki message delivery|disputatio]]) 12:46, 14 Iulii 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Danny Benjafield (WMDE)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Danny_Benjafield_(WMDE)/MassMessage_Test_List&oldid=28981877 --> == <span lang="en" dir="ltr"> Upcoming Deployment of the CampaignEvents Extension</span> == <div lang="en" dir="ltr"> <section begin="message"/> Hello everyone, ''(Apologies for posting in English if English is not your first language. Please help translate to your language.)'' The Campaigns Product Team is planning a global deployment of the '''[[:mw:Help:Extension:CampaignEvents|CampaignEvents extension]]''' to all Wikisource, including this Wikisource, during the '''week of August 25th'''. This extension is designed to help organizers plan and manage events, WikiProjects, and other on-wiki collaborations - and to make these efforts more discoverable. The three main features of this extension are: * '''[[:m:Event_Center/Registration|Event Registration]]''': A simple way to sign up for events on the wiki. * '''[[:m:CampaignEvents/Collaboration_list|Collaboration List]]''': A global list of events and a local list of WikiProjects, accessible at '''[[:m:Special:AllEvents|Special:AllEvents]]'''. * '''[[:m:Campaigns/Foundation_Product_Team/Invitation_list|Invitation Lists]]''': A tool to help organizers find editors who might want to join, based on their past contributions. '''Note''': The extension comes with a new user right called '''"Event Organizer"''', which will be managed by administrators on this Wikisource. Organizer tools like Event Registration and Invitation Lists will only work if someone is granted this right. The Collaboration List is available to everyone immediately after deployment. The extension is already live on several wikis, including '''all Wikipedia, Meta, Wikidata''', and more ( [[m:CampaignEvents/Deployment_status#Current_Deployment_Status_for_CampaignEvents_extension| See the full deployment list]]) If you have any questions, concerns, or feedback, please feel free to share them on the [[m:Talk:CampaignEvents| extension talkpage]]. We’d love to hear from you before the rollout. Thank you! <section end="message"/> </div> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:Udehb-WMF|Udehb-WMF]] ([[User talk:Udehb-WMF|disputatio]]) 15:40, 31 Iulii 2025 (UTC)</bdi> <!-- Message sent by User:Udehb-WMF@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Udehb-WMF/sandbox/MM_target_Wikisource&oldid=29066664 --> == <span lang="en" dir="ltr">Temporary accounts will be rolled out soon</span> == <div lang="en" dir="ltr"> <section begin="body"/> Hello, we are the Wikimedia Foundation [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Product Safety and Integrity|Product Safety and Integrity]] team. We would like to announce that '''we plan to enable [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Trust and Safety Product/Temporary Accounts|temporary accounts]] for this wiki in the week of September 1'''. Temporary accounts are successfully live on 30 wikis, including many large ones like German, Japanese, and French. The change they bring is especially relevant to logged-out editors, who this feature is designed to protect. But it is also relevant to community members like mentors, patrollers, and admins – anyone who reverts edits, blocks users, or otherwise interacts with logged-out editors as part of keeping the wikis safe and accurate. '''Why we are building temporary accounts''' Our wikis should be safer to edit by default for logged-out editors. Temporary accounts allow people to continue editing the wikis without creating an account, while avoiding publicly tying their edits to their IP address. We believe this is in the best interest of our logged-out editors, who make valuable contributions to the wikis and who may later create accounts and grow our community of editors, admins, and other roles. Even though the wikis do warn logged-out editors that their IP address will be associated with their edit, many people may not understand what an IP address is, or that it could be used to connect them to other information about them in ways they might not expect. Additionally, our moderation software and tools rely too heavily on network origin (IP addresses) to identify users and patterns of activity, especially as IP addresses themselves are becoming less stable as identifiers. Temporary accounts allow for more precise interactions with logged-out editors, including more precise blocks, and can help limit how often we unintentionally end up blocking good-faith users who use the same IP addresses as bad-faith users. '''How temporary accounts work''' [[File:Temporary account banner and empty talk page.png|thumb]] Any time a logged-out user publishes an edit on this wiki, a cookie will be set in this user's browser, and a temporary account tied with this cookie will be automatically created. This account's name will follow the pattern: <code dir=ltr>~2025-12345-67</code> (a tilde, current year, a number). On pages like Recent Changes or page history, this name will be displayed. The cookie will expire 90 days after its creation. As long as it exists, all edits made from this device will be attributed to this temporary account. It will be the same account even if the IP address changes, unless the user clears their cookies or uses a different device or web browser. A record of the IP address used at the time of each edit will be stored for 90 days after the edit. However, only some logged-in users will be able to see it. '''What does this mean for different groups of users?''' 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Thank you!<section end="body" /> </div> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[m:user:NKohli (WMF)|NKohli (WMF)]], [[m:user:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]]</bdi> 21:36, 26 Augusti 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Quiddity_(WMF)/sandbox6&oldid=29181713 --> == All pages in Athanasius Kircher - Turris Babel - 1679 are in Categoria:Formulae == I was looking for templates/formulae by looking at <nowiki>[[Categoria:Formulae]]</nowiki> All pages in [[Liber:Athanasius Kircher - Turris Babel - 1679.djvu]] are in <nowiki>[[Categoria:Formulae]]</nowiki> Many (all?) pages in [[Liber:Gallia Christiana, 1715, T1.djvu]] are in <nowiki>[[Categoria:Formulae]]</nowiki>, like article [[Gallia Christiana 1715 01/Epistola2]] These all use [[Formula:Sidenotes begin]]. There is one "[https://la.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Formula:Sidenotes_begin&oldid=79709&diff=cur pending change]" on this template. But that change puts the category outside the noinclude. ::<nowiki></noinclude></nowiki> ::<nowiki>[[Categoria:Formulae]]</nowiki> Please either reject the change or move the categoria line. [[Usor:Shenme|Shenme]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Shenme|disputatio]]) 04:17, 31 Augusti 2025 (UTC) :Hi @[[Usor:Shenme|Shenme]], I don't think anyone from the admins is monitoring or actioning pending changes currently. (see discussions re admin queues above.) [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 05:29, 31 Augusti 2025 (UTC) ::{{ping|Shenme}} {{done}} I excluded the categories. {{ping|JimKillock}} no blame but be careful next time, categories should always be excluded. Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 09:28, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :::{{ping|VIGNERON}} It wasn't @JimKillock who made [https://la.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Formula:Sidenotes_begin&diff=next&oldid=79709 the problematic change], but someone else [[Usor:Ceciliawolf]]. I noticed the problem, he included the problem a list that got your attention. [[Usor:Shenme|Shenme]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Shenme|disputatio]]) 02:46, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::::{{ping|Shenme}} yes, but [[Special:Diff/236794]]. Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 06:57, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC) == Request for admin status == Hi all, given that we have quite a lot of admin requests (mostly relating to "pending" changes), I would like to request administrator status so that some of these can be cleared. If anyone else wants to step up to help out, that would also be welcome. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 17:23, 1 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :Ping to @[[Usor:Shenme|Shenme]], @[[Usor:Ousia|Ousia]] @[[Usor:Alex brollo|Alex brollo]]:, @[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]]:, @[[Usor:Candalua|Candalua]]: in case you feel able to support my request. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 06:57, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::Hi {{U|JimKillock}}, ::I apparently missed it, where do we have « a lot of admin requests » ? ::That said, one more admin is always good, so create the request and I'll support it. ::Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 07:34, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :::Hi @[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]], :::Thank you! On the admin requests, on this page, here are these :::* [[#All pages in Athanasius Kircher - Turris Babel - 1679 are in Categoria:Formulae]] :::* [[#It would be nice to have automatic headers for the Liber: namespace]] (which you have replied to) :::* [[#Navigation and validation]] :::* [[#Administrator backlog?]] :::* [[#Toggling special characters such as ſ (long s)]] (altho this has been worked around and may not be needed) :::Most of these relate to the ''Pending changes'' backlog in various ways; two are requests for new features / modules to be ported across. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 09:01, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::::{{ping|JimKillock}} thanks, I see. It doesn't look like a lot to me, I'll try to deal with it today. Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 09:27, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :::::Thank you @[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] :) You could also take a look at the pending changes on [[Formula:Pagina_prima/Novae_Aetatis]] and [[Moriae encomium]]. The really big job is going through [[Specialis:PendingChanges|pending changes]] altogether - I understand there is a five year backlog. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 09:36, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::::::I see... I had a quick look and all changes seem good. Do we even need this extension on Wikisource? Also, if we keep it, I guess we need more reviewers rather than admins (more admins would be useful too, but that's a separate point). Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 10:35, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::Of course, the request needs to be supported; without active administrators it is very inconvenient. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 12:21, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::What do you need us to do? BTW, it would be great to know why edits require administrator approvals. Sorry, but I‘m afraid this makes contributing almost pointless. Many thanks for your help, --[[Usor:Ousia|Ousia]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Ousia|disputatio]]) 14:15, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :::So there are two reasons it would be helpful for me to be an admin; one is if we carry on with the approval system (it looks like we will not) and the other is around updating or adding certain components, modules for example. There may be other tasks I am not aware of that I could help with, but these are the ones I know about. Implementing Portal pages for example needs some work by an admin AIUI. :::@[[Usor:Ousia|Ousia]] your question re edits needing approval is [[#Do_we_need_to_approve_changes_to_pages|addressed below, here]]. :::In terms of what you / others need to do, it seems that if there is a consensus to allow me administrator permissions, then a bueaucrat user would implement it (I mistakenly opening a request at meta, and they referred me back here); so we just need to have your views, yes, no, maybe, etc. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 17:01, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::::The page [[Vicifons:Magistratus]], intended for promotion, seems to be protected; I couldn't edit it (''petitio grapheocrat'''ae''''') and add a category ([[:Categoria:Usores]]). [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 20:23, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :::::Thanks, it seems editable now so I [[Vicifons:Magistratus#Petitio_magistratus|added my request there]], if anyone wants to support it. Regarding ''grapheocrates -ae'', how is this declined? Is it otherwise treated as a masculine first declension? Thinking it ought to be added to Wiktionary as it is missing from there. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 17:00, 4 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::::::This is [https://archive.org/details/calepinusnovus2002/calepinusnovus2002-french-latin/page/n23/mode/1up?q=grapheocrates from Licoppe and Eichenseer]. Yes, this can be added to Wiktionary, I have no experience editing there. Thanks for the corrections, today the system let me in, but yesterday for some unknown reason it didn’t let me in. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 20:53, 4 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :::::::Thank you and no problem. I can add to Wiktionary I hope; is the plural therefore ''grapheocratae''; and is the singular ''grapheocrates'' or ''grapheocrata''? [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 07:14, 5 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::::::::Yes, of course. They took the Modern Greek word γραφειοκράτης. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 21:41, 5 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :::::::::Great, after a bit of struggle that is at [[:en:wiktionary:grapheocrates]] and [[:la:wiktionary:grapheocrates]] [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 12:43, 7 Septembris 2025 (UTC) == It would be nice to have automatic headers for the Liber: namespace == It would require someone with interface admin status to create [[MediaWiki:Proofreadpage index data config.json]] to replace the current index form parameters ([[MediaWiki:Proofreadpage index attributes|very old system]]) with special care to not mass delete information by unadvertedly changing some parameter's name. [https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Proofreadpage_index_data_config.json Example from the English Wikisource]. If someone wants to help, please contact me. Regards! [[Usor:Ignacio Rodríguez|Ignacio Rodríguez]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Ignacio Rodríguez|disputatio]]) 02:10, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :Hi @[[Usor:Ignacio Rodríguez|Ignacio Rodríguez]], potentially - if I have admin status :) [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 06:54, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::{{ping|Ignacio Rodríguez}} I did a test (by copy-pasting the English page), it works, so no need to be interface admin, being admin is enough. ::I only half understand that paramater page, could you give me the actual content expected ? ::Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 07:38, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :::I don't remember all the details but I worked on that page in the Spanish Wikisource almost a decade ago. I'll make a mockup in the talk page, but I can't promise to get all the Latin words right. For ease, parameter names and help tooltips will be in English internally, but they will show in Latin in the form. [[Usor:Ignacio Rodríguez|Ignacio Rodríguez]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Ignacio Rodríguez|disputatio]]) 16:56, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::::This was added and it now works perfectly. Thanks! [[Usor:Ignacio Rodríguez|Ignacio Rodríguez]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Ignacio Rodríguez|disputatio]]) 16:25, 5 Septembris 2025 (UTC) == Do we need to approve changes to pages == Hi all, Moving the discussion regarding the backlog at [[Specialis:PendingChanges]]: @[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] asks whether we need to have this feature. I suspect it was switched on because of spam, vandalism, or some other similar issue. Without it we might need to be keeping an eye on recent changes. I am not sure how the proteccted changes permissions works, or whether permissions to make approvals to changes can be delegated more widely. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 19:56, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :Changes to pages affecting project *function* must be controlled. But it seems that Pending Changes doesn't actually stop changes to something like a template/formula from having effect? See my report about <nowiki>Formula:Sidenotes begin</nowiki> above. :And checking a couple of the other initial items in [[Specialis:PendingChanges]], it seems that all pending changes are actually immediately applied to active, visible pages. :So Pending Changes <u>does not prevent damage</u> to the project. It is <u>merely a tracking and notification method?</u> :That can be useful, but requires a set of people to be change reviewers. And changes to subject matter would seem to require reviewers knowledgeable about the subject? :And when changes affect *function*, like templates, who can review and approve those? I'd think only admins. :The link to monitoring Recent Changes is undeniable. I monitor Recent Changes often at Spanish Wikisource because I've seen the random damage people can do. That is the only way to react quickly to damage. (?) But then that assumes people are checking lists frequently, at least daily. :Neither Pending Changes or monitoring Recent Changes prevent damage. They can be only part of a solution to damage. I don't know what to think about Pending Changes ''in isolation''. [[Usor:Shenme|Shenme]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Shenme|disputatio]]) 03:48, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::{{ping|JimKillock|Shenme}} I've got mainly two points : ::* vandlism is low to inexistant on la.ws (and it's already low on most Wikisources), making this extension useless and even problematic. Because it doesn't prevent changes but it prevents them to be effective. ::** Apparently the reason to install is [[Vicifons:Scriptorium/Vetera_VII#protection_of_completed_works_-_Flagged_Revisions_as_an_alternative?]] ::* this extension is actually caleld [[mw:Extension:FlaggedRevs]] and it's deprecated for years (see [[Vicifons:Scriptorium/Vetera_XI#Futrue_of_FlaggedRevs_(Pending_Changes)_extension]] or the warning on the extension itself « Flagged Revisions is complex, poorly documented, very clunky, and not recommended for production use »). Also, people on Wikisource don't seem to really master or even using it (including the reviewers rights). Maybe it's aan opportunity to list exactly what we need and find a new extension that fit these needs. ::In the end, I see a lot of cons and only a few pros... ::Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 07:35, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :I haven't seen any vandalism here in years. But if you fix the errors, the "Pending Changes" status means that the fixes will only be visible to registered users. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 12:10, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :{{ping|JimKillock|Shenme}} many thanks for your replies. I must admit that I’m an occasional Wikisource (or even Wikipedia contributor). I essentially (or exclusively) contribute corrections. :Some days ago, I wanted to download an ePub file for the [[Noctes Atticae]] (to do some regexp searches), but the export was wrong. I tried to modify the code (which I have done successfully for the Greek Wikisource many times) and I found out that I needed a ''nihil obstat'' (I’m afraid this would be way to name it). :Of course, I’m the least interested in vandalism (either contributing it myself, or being any collaborative project being infested/polluted by it). But I think there should be a way of distinguishing between vandalism and non-hardcore (or occasional) contributors. :I don’t know any perfect system, but it should be worth considering a mixed approach. Approval could be required for: already flagged users (for vandalism) and recent users (how about a five-year publishing embargo?). :Only to mention a case, my [https://el.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Συμπόσιον_(Πλάτων)&diff=prev&oldid=49677 first contribution to the Greek Wiksource] was in 2012. I don’t know for how long I have been registered in Wikimedia (I guess this was before 2010). :This isn’t about myself, the issue here is that Wikisource needs contributions to even exist (not to mention for its growth). If no regular user is allowed to contribute without approval, cooperation is basically non-existing. :Even with approval, the reply times are incredibly slow (because of the system). It is not that attention spans are getting shorter, time is the most scarce resource we all are (and I don’t have weeks or months to see whether I’m allowed to have [[Noctes Atticae]] as ePub). :Sorry, the sentence in parentheses isn’t a complaint. Please, do as you please, but my contribution is: consider that you might be making contributions way harder, project growth way slower and administrators’ roles way more complicated (probably, than they could and should be). :Many thanks for your help and your project, --[[Usor:Ousia|Ousia]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Ousia|disputatio]]) 17:15, 4 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::@[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] I think there is consensus we can switch this off. Let me know if I can help in any way if you think it's time to switch it off. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 18:25, 4 Octobris 2025 (UTC) :::{{ping|JimKillock}} thanks for the reminder and agreed for removal, so I created a task on Phabricator here : [[Phab:T406424]]. Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 09:42, 5 Octobris 2025 (UTC) ::::Thanks for filing this @[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] , the Wikimedia tech team seem to have finished their work on this now! [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 12:16, 18 Octobris 2025 (UTC) == Index page error "Error: Invalid interval" == I am getting an error: at [[:Liber:Nos in schola latine loquimur - Ars latine loquendi.pdf]] "Error: Invalid interval" for the paginae listing; even when set to <code><nowiki><pagelist 1=1 /></nowiki></code>. Any clues appreciated! [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 16:48, 5 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :This might be the infamous "0x0 bug" that has plagued Wikisource for two? three? years. Normally it resolves doing a purge in both the file page in Commons and in the local Wikisource. [[Usor:Ignacio Rodríguez|Ignacio Rodríguez]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Ignacio Rodríguez|disputatio]]) 19:34, 5 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::Thanks, that seems to b working now. 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I am helping with this as well. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 08:01, 12 Maii 2026 (UTC) == <span lang="en" dir="ltr">Vote now in the 2026 U4C election</span> == <div lang="en" dir="ltr"> <section begin="announcement-content" /> Eligible voters are asked to participate in the 2026 [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/Coordinating_Committee|Universal Code of Conduct Coordinating Committee]] election. More information–including an eligibility check, voting process information, candidate information, and a link to the vote–are available on Meta at the [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/Coordinating_Committee/Election/2026|2026 Election information page]]. The vote closes on 2 June 2026 at [https://zonestamp.toolforge.org/1780358400 00:00 UTC]. Please vote if your account is eligible. Results will be available by 14 June 2026. -- In cooperation with the U4C,<section end="announcement-content" /> </div> [[m:User:Keegan (WMF)|Keegan (WMF)]] ([[m:User talk:Keegan (WMF)|talk]]) 17:15, 27 Maii 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Keegan (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Distribution_list/Global_message_delivery&oldid=30513860 --> == Formula:FI == {{tl|FI}} is currently broken and ignores the {{para|width}} param. All images are set to the default size, which is usually very large, like in [[Lirica (Ariosto)]]. [[Usor:Trooper57|Trooper57]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Trooper57|disputatio]]) 21:06, 31 Maii 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, I guess we should check how it is behaving in the Italian wiki(s)? [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 08:16, 7 Iunii 2026 (UTC) == Copyright problem? Appropriate for here? == What is going on here? * [[Scriptor:Coronus_Tenebrosius]] * [[Contemplationes_Metaphysicae]] * [[Puteus_Chaosi]] * [[Usor:Coronus Tenebrosius]] No statement of copyright. No proof of authorship. paginae vanitatis ? [[Usor:Shenme|Shenme]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Shenme|disputatio]]) 08:24, 9 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :Cum iure auctoris problemata non habebimus, si auctor ipse opera exponit. Et si delere consilium capiemus, [[Vicifons:Magistratus#Saumache|magistratus non habemus]], qui hoc faciant. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 11:37, 9 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :<blockquote>'''Salvete.''' '''Nomen meum est Krunoslav Mrkoci, et ''Coronus Tenebrosius'' est interpretatio nominis mei in linguam Latinam, id est identitas mea Latina.''' '''Confirmo me ipsum auctorem esse omnium operum hic editorum. Opera primum Croatice scripta sunt, hic autem in versione Latina proposita.''' '''Praeterea fere omnia opera mea iam antea Croatice edita sunt in forma typographica. Id praesertim ad carmina mea pertinet, quae primum anno 1998 in libello iuvenili edita sunt, deinde in variis commentariis typis impressis, inter quos eminenter numeratur periodicum litterarium, culturalis et scientificum ''Riječi'' (Latine: ''Verba''), quod bis delectum e carminibus meis protulit.''' '''Item magna pars commentationum aliarumque prosarum, quae hic in linguam Latinam conversa sunt, iam antea et typis et forma electronica in Croatia divulgata est.''' Quaeso ut attendatis ad paginam meam in Wikidata, ubi tam sub nomine Croatico ''Krunoslav Mrkoci'' quam sub nomine Latino ''Coronus Tenebrosius'' ut auctor operum meorum inscriptus sum. Gratias ago pro lectione. '''Coronus Tenebrosius'''.</blockquote> [[Usor:Coronus Tenebrosius|Coronus Tenebrosius]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Coronus Tenebrosius|disputatio]]) 12:23, 9 Iunii 2026 (UTC) == Copying some templates from the English Wikisource == Hello, Would someone please be able to help me get [[s:en:Template:ppoem|en:Template:ppoem]], [[s:en:blackletter|en:blackletter]], [[s:en:Template:he|en:Template:he]], and [[s:en:Template:grc|en:Template:grc]] available to use on this Wikisource, so I can utilize them here? For the blackletter, I've tried [[Formula:Gothica|Gothica]], but that doesn't seem to be rendering properly. Thanks, [[Usor:Erblanchard57|Erblanchard57]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Erblanchard57|disputatio]]) 00:04, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :@[[Usor:Erblanchard57|Erblanchard57]] I made the shortcut for [[Formula:Graeca]]. You should not need any administror rights to do anything you need, I'll take a look into it. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 09:46, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :Blackletter is already here, [[:Formula:Gothica]] [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 10:57, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC) ::Hi! @[[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]], thanks! Just for clarification, do I need to make the template pages in Latin, or is it alright to copy them in English? Also, @[[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]], I mentioned this above, but for some reason, the Gothica template isn't working for me. See [[Pagina:Polygamia Triumphatrix.pdf/15]], for example. Any idea why that might be the case? [[Usor:Erblanchard57|Erblanchard57]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Erblanchard57|disputatio]]) 16:16, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :::@[[Usor:Erblanchard57|Erblanchard57]] This wiki lacks proper guidelines and recommendations, I would prefer if you translated the template's name, e.g., [[Formula:spatium]] rather than [[Formula:spatio]] but given the international nature of the project (nobody's mother tongue is Latin) best practice should be to add translated names as shortcuts/redirects. Beware adding templates that are already on the wiki under a different name ([[Formula:grc]] was already at [[Formula:Graeca]]). I took a quick look and it seems the fonts used by the blackletter template are not installed on the wiki; the same template does not seem to work on the French Wikisource either. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 17:40, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC) ::::Maybe we have sufficient powers to add the fonts now? Or we can ask someone with additional permissions to do so. But yes I remember now this has been a long standing problem. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 20:54, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :::[https://yaytext.com/fraktur/ This converter] 𝔠𝔬𝔫𝔳𝔢𝔯𝔱𝔰 𝔩𝔢𝔱𝔱𝔢𝔯𝔰 𝔱𝔬 𝔉𝔯𝔞𝔨𝔱𝔲𝔯 (because it exists in Unicode as separate characters). <s>However, I'm not sure if such text can be found using a regular search.</s> No, Wikipedia search finds it. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 21:48, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC) ::::I looked into using the converter, but I'm running into the issue of lack of compatibility with {{[[Formula:Ls|Ls]]}}. Would it be better to just wait for the font to be added? Do we have any idea when that will happen/who needs to be contacted for that to happen? ::::Thanks, [[Usor:Erblanchard57|Erblanchard57]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Erblanchard57|disputatio]]) 19:34, 15 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :::::These Unicode characters don't feel right on my labtop, they have heigth issues among other things. I went and asked on two different wikis about the fonts, I will come back to you when I get some answers. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 19:41, 15 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :[[Formula:Poema recte formatum]] or [[Formula:Ppoem]] now work, altho there's issues with the documentation page. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 20:52, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC) ::Thank you! [[Usor:Erblanchard57|Erblanchard57]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Erblanchard57|disputatio]]) 21:20, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :{{tl|blackletter}} was not working for me, even after locally installing UnifrakturMaguntia from Google fonts, until I restarted my web browser, which also followed my rebooting. Also, it can't be just any gothic/blackletter font, but must be one of these Fraktur fonts: UnifrakturMaguntia UnifrakturCook Unifraktur. [[Usor:Shenme|Shenme]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Shenme|disputatio]]) 21:19, 15 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :{{ping|Demetrius Talpa|JimKillock|Erblanchard57}} Fonts are downloaded locally, you need to go to Modi/Praeferentiae > Proprietates > Sermonis delectus > Plura > Scripturae and toggle "Download fonts when needed". The option seems not to be that easy to toggle on by default. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 10:56, 17 Iunii 2026 (UTC) ::Yes, great. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 11:09, 17 Iunii 2026 (UTC) ::Thank you very much! [[Usor:Erblanchard57|Erblanchard57]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Erblanchard57|disputatio]]) 15:57, 17 Iunii 2026 (UTC) ::English WS seems to pull the font in from a repository. I've copied over the module ULS, css etc, would be good to know if it has made any difference. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 13:26, 18 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :::{{blackletter|fraktur}} etc [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 13:26, 18 Iunii 2026 (UTC) ::::@[[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] I just deactivated the "download fonts when needed" option for a second to see if it would work without it, and it still doesn't. [[Usor:Erblanchard57|Erblanchard57]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Erblanchard57|disputatio]]) 04:32, 19 Iunii 2026 (UTC) 9cv202l8aukwbj9rk9f1at4ivxd5i13 Formula:ULS 10 48395 272318 156760 2026-06-18T13:20:38Z JimKillock 19003 272318 wikitext text/x-wiki {{#invoke:ULS|ULS}}<noinclude> {{documentation|Template:ULS/doc}}</noinclude> pi0mfphz3gis2x6xvpingk4i2btlp7f Exercitatio Linguae Latinae/Leges ludi 0 65741 272323 214469 2026-06-18T17:16:21Z Lina Mist 32708 272323 wikitext text/x-wiki {{titulus2 |Scriptor=Ioannes Ludovicus Vives |OperaeTitulus=Exercitatio Linguae Latinae |OperaeWikiPagina=Exercitatio Linguae Latinae |Annus= 1542 |SubTitulus=Leges ludi |Genera= }} {{Liber |Ante=Ludus chartarum |AnteNomen=../Ludus chartarum |Post=Corpus hominis exterius |PostNomen=../Corpus hominis exterius }} <poem> Personae: Borgia, Scintilla, Cabanillius. '''Bor.''' Unde tu jam nobis Scintilla jucundissime? '''Scin.''' Lutetia. '''Bor.''' Qua tandem Lutetia? '''Scin.''' Qua tandem quaeris? quasi sint multae. '''Bor.''' Etiamsi sit unica, ea quaenam sit ignoro, aut ubi sita. '''Scin.''' Lutetia Parisiorum. '''Bor.''' Parisios nominari audieram, et quidem saepe, Lutetiam nunquam: est ergo Lutetia, quos nos Parisios dicimus? Ea igitur est causa cur tu tamdiu nullus es visus Valentiae, et potissimum in sphaeristerio nobilitatis. '''Scin.''' Alia ego vidi sphaeristeria Lutetiae, alia gymnasia, alios ludos, longe istis vestris utiliores ac praestantiores. '''Bor.''' Ecquos, quaeso? '''Scin.''' Triginta gymnasia plus minus in Academia illa, omni eruditionis scientiae, et sapientiae genere referta; doctos Praeceptores, juventutem studiosissimam, et optime moratam. '''Bor.''' Vulgus scilicet hominum. '''Scin.''' Quid tandem vocas vulgus? '''Bor.''' Faecem plebis, filios sutorum, textorum, tonsorum, fullonum, et ejusmodi artificum atque operariorum. '''Scin.''' Vos hic, ut video, ex vestra hac Civitate metimini orbem universum, et eosdem tota Europa existimatis esse mores, quos hic: dico juventutem illic esse frequentissimam Principum, Procerum, Nobilium, et hominum locupletissimorum, non ex Gallia modo, sed ex Germania, Italia, Britannia, Hispania, Belgica, admirabiliter addictam studiis litterarum, parentem Institutorum praeceptis et jussis: quorum mores non simplici tantum admonitu formentur, sed acri reprehensione, quum est opus etiam castigatione, plagis, verberibus; quae omnia et accipiuntur et perferuntur animis moderatissimis, et vultu modestissimo. '''Cab.''' Audivi saepenumero ejusmodi narrari mihi quum agerem in Gallia Legatus Fernandi Regis. Sed omitte quaeso nunc ista, aut differ aliud in tempus. Vides nos esse in ludo Miraculi, cui est proximus Carrosorum: hoc age, de pila sit jam sermo oblectandi nostri gratia. '''Scin.''' Amabo ne assideamus, sed deambulantes colloquamur, quae fuerit collibitum: qua ibimus? hacne per D. Stephani, an illac ad portam Regalem, et visemus in Regia Ferdinandum Ducem Calabriae? '''Cab.''' Non, ne forte optimi Principis interpellemus studia sapientiae. '''Bor.''' Praestabit mulas arcessere, ut vehentes loquamur. '''Cab.''' Ne amittamus quaeso usum pedum et crurum; tempus est sudum ac serenum, et aura frigidiuscula: satius erit pedestres quam equestres incedere. '''Bor.''' Eamus hac igitur per Divi Joannis Hospitalis ad vicum marinum. '''Cab.''' Spectabimus obiter decoras formas. '''Bor.''' Apage pedestres, erit dedecori. '''Scin.''' Majori est mea sententia dedecori, viros pendere de judicio puellarum rudium atque ineptarum. '''Cab.''' Visne, ut recta eamus per plateam ficus, et Divae Teclae? '''Scin.''' Non, sed per vicum tabernae gallinacei: nam in eo vico cupio videre aedes, in quibus natus est Vives meus: sunt enim, ut accepi, descendentibus ad sinistram postremae in vico, et invisam eadem opera sorores ejus. '''Bor.''' Omitte nunc quaeso, muliebres visitationes; si mulierem vis alloqui, eamus potius ad Angelam Zabatam, cum qua erunt confabulationes litteratae. '''Cab.''' Utinam, si id cupitis, adesset Marchiona Zeneti. '''Scin.''' Si vera sunt quae de illa quum essem in Gallia audivi, majus est id argumentum, quam ut de illo tractari leviter, et ab aliud agentibus vel possit, vel debeat. '''Bor.''' Ascendamus ad Divi Martini, an descendemus per vicum Vallesii, ad plateam Villae-rasae? '''Cab.''' Hac, inde ad sphaeristerium Barzii, seu mavis Masconorum. '''Bor.''' In Gallia habetisne ad hunc modum ludos in publico? '''Scin.''' De aliis Galliae urbibus non possum tibi respondere; Lutetiae scio nullum esse: sed in privato multa, velut in suburbiis Divi Jacobi, Divi Marcelli, Divi Germani. '''Cab.''' Et in ipsa Civitate famosissimum, quod vocant ‘Bracchae’. '''Bor.''' Luditur eadem illic ratione qua hic? '''Scin.''' Eadem prorsum, nisi quod Magister ludi praebet illic calceos, et pileos lusorios. '''Bor.''' Cujusmodi sunt? '''Scin.''' Calcei sunt coactilitii.<ref>coactilitii, Hispane : zapatos de fieltro. </ref> '''Bor.''' Non essent hic utiles. '''Cab.''' Videlicet in via lapidosa; in Francia vero et Belgica luditur super pavimentum lateribus constratum, planum, et aequale. '''Scin.''' Pilei sunt aestate leviores, in hyeme autem crassi, profundi, cum offendice sub mento, ne in agitatione vel elabantur ex capite, vel decidant in oculos. '''Bor.''' Offendimento hic non utimur nisi cum est ventus vehementior: sed quales habent pilas? '''Scin.''' Nullos fere folles, ut hic; sed sphaerulas minores vestratibus, et multo duriores, ex corio albo: tomentum est, non ut in vestris lanugo e pannis tonsa, sed pili fere canini: eamque ob causam raro luditur palma. '''Bor.''' Quomodo ergo percutiunt pilam? pugno, ut folles? '''Scin.''' Ne sic quidem, sed reticulo. '''Bor.''' Confecto ex filo? '''Scin.''' Ex fidibus crassiusculis, quales fere sunt sextae in testudine; habent funem tensum, et reliqua ut hic in ludis domesticis: sub funem misisse globulum, vitium est, seu peccatum: signa sunt bina, seu mavis metas; numeri quaterni, quindecim, triginta, quadraginta quinque seu antegressio, aequalitas numerorum: victoria, quae est duplex, ut quum dicitur vicimus signum, et vicimus ludum. Pila autem vel ex volatu remittitur, vel ex primo resultu: ex secundo enim ictus est invalidus, et ibi fit signum ubi pila est percussa. '''Bor.''' Non sunt aliae lusiones, quam sphaerae? '''Scin.''' In Civitate, quot hic, aut plures: sed inter scholasticos nulla alia permissu Magistrorum exercetur, sed interdum clam luditur foliis et aciebus: pueruli talis, nequiores taxillis. Nos Institutorem habebamus Anneum, qui obsceno die lusum foliorum concedebat; sed de illo, et in universum de lusione omni tulerat sex leges, quas descriptas in tabella appenderat in cubiculo. '''Bor.''' Ne graveris, rogo te, et eas nobis referre, quemadmodum alia fecisti. '''Scin.''' Pergamus deambulare; nam incredibili teneor desiderio patriae aspiciendae tamdiu a me non visae. '''Bor.''' Conscendamus mulas ut ambulemus commodius, tum etiam honestius. '''Scin.''' Honestatem hanc non emerim crepitu digitorum. '''Bor.''' Ac ne ego quidem ut verum fatear, manum ob eam moverim; sed nescio quo pacto magis id videtur decere nostras personas. '''Cab.''' Isthuc quidem recte, sed sumus tres, et in angustis viis aut hominum frequentia disjungeremur, unde necesse esset vel interrumpi sermonem, vel multa semper a nostrum aliquo non exaudiri, neque intelligi. '''Bor.''' Esto sane ita, pergamus pedestre; ingredere per angiportum hunc ad plateam Pegnarogiorum. '''Scin.''' Optime, inde per fabros claviles ad vicum dulciarium, tum ad forum fructuarium. '''Bor.''' Quin potius olitorium? '''Scin.''' Utrumque est: qui libentius oleribus vescuntur, vocent olitorium: qui fructibus, fructuarium. Quae amplitudo fori? Quae descriptio vendentium et rerum venum expositarum? Qui odor ex fructibus? Quanta varietas, mundities, nitor? Non possunt horti excogitari huic foro pares; quae autem Aedilis nostri et ejus ministrorum solertia et diligentia, ne quis emptor fraude a venditore capiatur? Estne ille, qui mula vehitur, Honoratus Joannius? '''Cab.''' Non, ut arbitror, nam unus ex meis pueris, qui eum modo convenit, reliquit illum abdentem se in bibliothecam suam, qui si sciret nos una esse, non deesset haud dubie nostro sermoni, et nostris ludis seria sua posthaberet. '''Bor.''' Profer tandem leges. '''Scin.''' Extricemus nos ab hac turba per plateam Divae Virginis Redemptoriae<ref>Divae Virginis Redemptoriae: Nuestra Senora de la Merced.</ref> ad vicum fumalis, et Divi Augustini, ubi minor est frequentia. '''Cab.''' Ne discedamus tam procul ab urbis corpore; ascendamus potius per vicum crumenarium ad clivum, inde ad vicum militarem, et aedes familiae vestrae, Scintilla, cujus parietes lugere adhuc videntur mihi heroem illum Comitem Olivanum. '''Bor.''' Immo luctu deposito, talem juvenem in tanti senis locum successisse serio triumphant. '''Scin.''' O quam juvat intueri curiam, et quadruplex forum Praefecti urbis (quod jam fere familiae vestrae Cabanilliae hereditarium videtur) civile, criminale, et tercentum solidorum! Quae aedificia? Quae facies urbis? '''Bor.''' Nusquam potes rectius leges ferre quam in foro, et curia; ede tandem: nam de laudibus, seu de admiratione potius nostrae Civitatis, alias erit dicendi locus aptior. '''Scin.''' Prima lex, 'quando ludendum' . Homo propter res serias est conditus, non propter nugas et lusus; lusus autem reperti ad reficiendum animum lassum a seriis; tunc igitur ludendum, quum animus aut corpus erit defatigatum, nec aliter sumendum, quam somnus, cibus, potus, et alia, quae vires renovant ac reficiunt: alioqui in vitio est quemadmodum alia quae non suo fiunt tempore. Secunda lex, 'Cum quibus ludendum'. Quemadmodum facturus iter, aut iturus ad convivium, diligenter dispicis qui sint homines futuri sodales, aut comites: sic in ludo animadvertendum cum quibus ludes, ut sint homines tibi noti; nam in ignotis magnum est periculum, et verum proverbium Plauti: Lupus est homini homo, qui qualis sit non novit: sint etiam belli, festivi, comes, cum quibus periculum non sit ne rixeris, aut pugnes, aut aliquid vel facias, vel dicas turpiter, atque indecore; ne sint blasphemi in Deum, aut dejeratores; non in dictis spurci, ne quid ex contagione affricetur tuis moribus pravum aut flagitiosum: denique sint ii, qui non aliam ad ludum mentem adferant quam tu, nempe ut a labore conquiescat et levetur animus. Tertia lex, 'Quo ludo'. Primum noto; nam in ignoratione non potest subesse delectatio, nec ludentis, nec collusorum, nec spectatorum: deinde quod simul animum reficiat, et corpus exerceat, siquidem tempus ac valetudo patitur: sin secus, ludus sit in quo non omnia possit mera sors, insit etiam peritia quae possit casum corrigere. Quarta lex, 'Qua sponsione'. Nec ulla sponsione, quod est fatuum, et celerrime exatiat; nec ita magna, quae in ipsa lusione inquietet animum, et si vincaris, mordeat ac discruciet, non est is lusus, sed carnificina. Quinta lex, 'Quemadmodum'. Ut antequam ad ludendum assideas, reputes te ad refocillandum animum venire, in cujus aleam conjicias pauculos numos, hoc est, emas illis refectionem defatigationis; cogita esse sortem hoc est variam, incertam, instabilem, communem; nullam idcirco tibi fieri injuriam; si perdas, ut id feras aequo animo, ne contrahas vultum, et suffundas eum tristitia; ne prorumpas in convicia, et maledicta, aut adversus collusorem, aut quempiam ex spectatoribus: si lucrifacias, ne sis in collusorem insolenter dicax. Prorsum toto ludo sis comis, hilaris, facetus, jocosus, citra scurrilitatem et petulantiam, ne des significationem ullam fraudis, sordium, aut avaritiae; in contentione ne sis pertinax, minime omnium jurator, memor rem illam totam (etiamsi meliorem causam habeas) non esse tanti, ut nomen Domini adferas in testimonium. Spectatores memineris esse velut judices ludi, si quid illi pronuntiarint cedito nullam edens notam improbationis: hoc modo et lusus sit delectatio, et probi adolescentis grata est educatio ingenua. Sexta lex, 'Quamdiu ludendum'. Quoad sentias animum renovatum jam et reparatum ad laborem, et vocet hora ac negotium serium. Qui secus faxit, improbe factum videri: Velitis Quirit., sollemnia in ferendi legibus verba Romae. velitis Quirites, jubeatis. '''Bor. et Cab.''' Sicuti rogavit. </poem> {{ct|{{sc|Notae}}}} <references/> 2q9ak5ux004yfi3p3l6ylnp0e4fssqh Polygamia Triumphatrix 0 82472 272338 266535 2026-06-19T03:06:25Z Erblanchard57 30712 272338 wikitext text/x-wiki {{titulus |Scriptor=Theophilo Aletheo | attribuitur= Johannes Lyserus |OperaeTitulus=Polygamia Triumphatrix |OperaeWikiPagina=Polygamia Triumphatrix |Annus= 1682 |SubTitulus= ''Id est Discursus Politicus de Polygamia'' |Genera=Religio Christiana, Religio Iudaica |Editio= Londini Scanorum. Sumptibus Authoris post. Annum MDCLXXXII. |Liber=Polygamia Triumphatrix.pdf }} <pages index="Polygamia Triumphatrix.pdf" from=1 to=1 /> {{Liber |Ante= <!-- Nomen Pagina Ante --> |AnteNomen= <!-- Latina Vicifontis Pagina Ante --> |Post= Præfatio ad Lectorem |PostNomen= Polygamia Triumphatrix/Praefatio ad Lectorem }} ==Index== * '''[[Polygamia Triumphatrix/Praefatio ad Lectorem|Praefatio ad Lectorem]]''' * '''[[Polygamia Triumphatrix/Thesis 1|Thesis I]]''' * '''[[Polygamia Triumphatrix/Thesis 2|Thesis II]]''' * '''[[Polygamia Triumphatrix/Thesis 3|Thesis III]]''' * '''[[Polygamia Triumphatrix/Thesis 4|Thesis IV]]''' * '''[[Polygamia Triumphatrix/Thesis 5|Thesis V]]''' * '''[[Polygamia Triumphatrix/Thesis 6|Thesis VI]]''' * '''[[Polygamia Triumphatrix/Thesis 7|Thesis VII]]''' * '''[[Polygamia Triumphatrix/Thesis 8|Thesis VIII]]''' * '''[[Polygamia Triumphatrix/Thesis 9|Thesis IX]]''' * '''[[Polygamia Triumphatrix/Thesis 10|Thesis X]]''' * '''[[Polygamia Triumphatrix/Thesis 11|Thesis XI]]''' * '''[[Polygamia Triumphatrix/Thesis 12|Thesis XII]]''' * '''[[Polygamia Triumphatrix/Thesis 13|Thesis XIII]]''' * '''[[Polygamia Triumphatrix/Thesis 14|Thesis XIV]]''' * '''[[Polygamia Triumphatrix/Thesis 15|Thesis XV]]''' * '''[[Polygamia Triumphatrix/Thesis 16|Thesis XVI]]''' * '''[[Polygamia Triumphatrix/Thesis 17|Thesis XVII]]''' * '''[[Polygamia Triumphatrix/Thesis 18|Thesis XVIII]]''' * '''[[Polygamia Triumphatrix/Thesis 19|Thesis XIX]]''' * '''[[Polygamia Triumphatrix/Thesis 20|Thesis XX]]''' * '''[[Polygamia Triumphatrix/Thesis 21|Thesis XXI]]''' * '''[[Polygamia Triumphatrix/Thesis 22|Thesis XXII]]''' * '''[[Polygamia Triumphatrix/Thesis 23|Thesis XXIII]]''' * '''[[Polygamia Triumphatrix/Thesis 24|Thesis XXIV]]''' * '''[[Polygamia Triumphatrix/Thesis 25|Thesis XXV]]''' * '''[[Polygamia Triumphatrix/Thesis 26|Thesis XXVI]]''' * '''[[Polygamia Triumphatrix/Thesis 27|Thesis XXVII]]''' * '''[[Polygamia Triumphatrix/Thesis 28|Thesis XXVIII]]''' * '''[[Polygamia Triumphatrix/Thesis 29|Thesis XXIX]]''' * '''[[Polygamia Triumphatrix/Thesis 30|Thesis XXX]]''' * '''[[Polygamia Triumphatrix/Thesis 31|Thesis XXXI]]''' * '''[[Polygamia Triumphatrix/Thesis 32|Thesis XXXII]]''' * '''[[Polygamia Triumphatrix/Thesis 33|Thesis XXXIII]]''' * '''[[Polygamia Triumphatrix/Thesis 34|Thesis XXXIV]]''' * '''[[Polygamia Triumphatrix/Thesis 35|Thesis XXXV]]''' * '''[[Polygamia Triumphatrix/Thesis 36|Thesis XXXVI]]''' * '''[[Polygamia Triumphatrix/Thesis 37|Thesis XXXVII]]''' * '''[[Polygamia Triumphatrix/Thesis 38|Thesis XXXVIII]]''' * '''[[Polygamia Triumphatrix/Thesis 39|Thesis XXXIX]]''' * '''[[Polygamia Triumphatrix/Thesis 40|Thesis XL]]''' * '''[[Polygamia Triumphatrix/Thesis 41|Thesis XLI]]''' * '''[[Polygamia Triumphatrix/Thesis 42|Thesis XLII]]''' * '''[[Polygamia Triumphatrix/Thesis 43|Thesis XLIII]]''' * '''[[Polygamia Triumphatrix/Thesis 44|Thesis XLIV]]''' * '''[[Polygamia Triumphatrix/Thesis 45|Thesis XLV]]''' * '''[[Polygamia Triumphatrix/Thesis 46|Thesis XLVI]]''' * '''[[Polygamia Triumphatrix/Thesis 47|Thesis XLVII]]''' * '''[[Polygamia Triumphatrix/Thesis 48|Thesis XLVIII]]''' * '''[[Polygamia Triumphatrix/Thesis 49|Thesis XLIX]]''' * '''[[Polygamia Triumphatrix/Thesis 50|Thesis L]]''' * '''[[Polygamia Triumphatrix/Thesis 51|Thesis LI]]''' * '''[[Polygamia Triumphatrix/Thesis 52|Thesis LII]]''' * '''[[Polygamia Triumphatrix/Thesis 53|Thesis LIII]]''' * '''[[Polygamia Triumphatrix/Thesis 54|Thesis LIV]]''' * '''[[Polygamia Triumphatrix/Thesis 55|Thesis LV]]''' * '''[[Polygamia Triumphatrix/Thesis 56|Thesis LVI]]''' * '''[[Polygamia Triumphatrix/Thesis 57|Thesis LVII]]''' * '''[[Polygamia Triumphatrix/Thesis 58|Thesis LVIII]]''' * '''[[Polygamia Triumphatrix/Thesis 59|Thesis LIX]]''' * '''[[Polygamia Triumphatrix/Thesis 60|Thesis LX]]''' * '''[[Polygamia Triumphatrix/Thesis 61|Thesis LXI]]''' * '''[[Polygamia Triumphatrix/Thesis 62|Thesis LXII]]''' * '''[[Polygamia Triumphatrix/Thesis 63|Thesis LXIII]]''' * '''[[Polygamia Triumphatrix/Thesis 64|Thesis LXIV]]''' * '''[[Polygamia Triumphatrix/Thesis 65|Thesis LXV]]''' * '''[[Polygamia Triumphatrix/Thesis 66|Thesis LXVI]]''' * '''[[Polygamia Triumphatrix/Thesis 67|Thesis LXVII]]''' * '''[[Polygamia Triumphatrix/Thesis 68|Thesis LXVIII]]''' * '''[[Polygamia Triumphatrix/Thesis 69|Thesis LXIX]]''' * '''[[Polygamia Triumphatrix/Thesis 70|Thesis LXX]]''' * '''[[Polygamia Triumphatrix/Thesis 71|Thesis LXXI]]''' * '''[[Polygamia Triumphatrix/Thesis 72|Thesis LXXII]]''' * '''[[Polygamia Triumphatrix/Thesis 73|Thesis LXXIII]]''' * '''[[Polygamia Triumphatrix/Thesis 74|Thesis LXXIV]]''' * '''[[Polygamia Triumphatrix/Thesis 75|Thesis LXXV]]''' * '''[[Polygamia Triumphatrix/Thesis 76|Thesis LXXVI]]''' * '''[[Polygamia Triumphatrix/Thesis 77|Thesis LXXVII]]''' * '''[[Polygamia Triumphatrix/Thesis 78|Thesis LXXVIII]]''' * '''[[Polygamia Triumphatrix/Thesis 79|Thesis LXXIX]]''' * '''[[Polygamia Triumphatrix/Thesis 80|Thesis LXXX]]''' * '''[[Polygamia Triumphatrix/Thesis 81|Thesis LXXXI]]''' * '''[[Polygamia Triumphatrix/Thesis 82|Thesis LXXXII]]''' * '''[[Polygamia Triumphatrix/Thesis 83|Thesis LXXXIII]]''' * '''[[Polygamia Triumphatrix/Thesis 84|Thesis LXXXIV]]''' * '''[[Polygamia Triumphatrix/Thesis 85|Thesis LXXXV]]''' * '''[[Polygamia Triumphatrix/Thesis 86|Thesis LXXXVI]]''' * '''[[Polygamia Triumphatrix/Thesis 87|Thesis LXXXVII]]''' * '''[[Polygamia Triumphatrix/Thesis 88|Thesis LXXXVIII]]''' * '''[[Polygamia Triumphatrix/Thesis 89|Thesis LXXXIX]]''' * '''[[Polygamia Triumphatrix/Thesis 90|Thesis XC]]''' * '''[[Polygamia Triumphatrix/Addenda|Addenda]]''' * '''[[Polygamia Triumphatrix/Index Dictorum Scripturae|Index Dictorum Scripturæ]]''' * '''[[Polygamia Triumphatrix/Index Rerum|Index Rerum]]''' {{finis}} {{PD-old|1682}} e8xc7gfcmc13t1teml6k346jwaqz2sv Pagina:Noni Marcelli Compendiosa doctrina (v.1, ed. 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XXVII:|2}} {{style|font-size:90%; margin-left:4em;|ínsanum vocant quem maltam ac féminam dicí vident.}} {{indent|{{sc|monogrammi}} dicti sunt homines macie pertenues ac decolores:|2}} {{regula|align=left|width=6em}} 19 II, 341 || 22 Luc. 1. XXVIIII || 25 1. XXVIIII || 27 Varro Hippocyne || 30 Luc. I. XXVIII || 2 1. XXVIII || 4 III, 24, 92 || 7 Luc. 1. XXVII. {{regula|align=left|width=6em}} '''18''' Adglomerare ''L''<sub>1</sub>, Ho<sub>2</sub>; Aggl. ''rel.'' — inplicare ''L''<sub>1</sub>, ''Bamb.;'' impl. ''rel.;'' applicare ''Quicheratus''. — '''19''' id eneidos ''L''<sub>1</sub>, in aeneidos ''id. 2;'' ''G;'' aeidos ''H''. — ''id''. lib. secundo. — '''20''' agglom. ''L''<sub>2</sub>, ''H;'' aglom. ''G''. — '''21''' quod ''Bamb''. — asstr. ''L''<sub>2</sub>; astr. ''H;'' adstringit (it ''in ras''.) ''Bamb''. — '''22''' XXVIII ''H''. — '''23''' collarique ''Iun.;'' collareque ''cdd''. — '''25. 26''' ''puto'' Dispalati; ''nisi n. N.'' — dicitur ''Bamb. m. 2.'' — Gnatho ''Me'', nato ''cdd''. — '''27''' '''Innocovy Iun.; sed cf. Gell. III, 18, 5.'' — Appollonium (Appollonio ''H''<sub>1</sub>) ''C.'' — '''28''' qua ''L''<sub>1</sub>. ''post'' nihil a ''litt. erasa in H.'' — '''29''' ''non l. nov. in L''. — '''30''' XXVIII ''ed. Bas.;'' XX. octavo ''L, H.'' — '''31''' nil parvo (''i. e.'' puero) huic ''M'', nihil parvi ac ''cdd''. — haut ''M'', uti ''cdd''. — littera ''id.'' (litera ''H''<sub>1</sub>); litteras ''Gerlachius''. — ''lutum de homine dictum, ut ap. Plautum.'' — '''1''' ''non 1. nov. in L; om. Bamb.'' — est hydropum ''H''; est ''deinde deletum, sed rursus restitutum.''— aquam ''cdd''. — '''3''' ''cf. comm. Luc. XXVIII, 18.'' — te ''om. G.'' — alnimo ''prius H.'' — '''4''' ''cf. 345'' me''dicamentum. — '''6''' altas ''G''; Multas ''Bamb.;'' Malthas ''ed. a. 1476.'' — greco'' L, H. — '''7''' ''μeedBaxovs ed. 1476 (paianovs al.)'' , malacus ''cdd''. — '''8''' multam ''G.'' — vident ''Turnebus'', videt ''cdd''. — '''9''' onogrammi ''G.'' — maciae pertenuaes ''prius H.''<noinclude></noinclude> hh1rz5ywwed7r1yz3pjc2jkbnq2ufmr 272341 272334 2026-06-19T06:17:09Z Shenme 17647 /* Proofread */ "Ἱπποcύνῃ" this is lunate sigma ; 272341 proofread-page text/x-wiki <noinclude><pagequality level="3" user="Shenme" /></noinclude>{{rh|50|NONIVS MARCELLVS|}} {{x-smaller|36. 37 M.}} {{indent|{{sc|adglomerare}}, inplicare, coniungere; dictum a glomere.{{gap|1em}}Vergilius Aeneidos lib. II:|2}} {{versus|20}}{{style|font-size:90%; margin-left:4em;|et lateri adglomerant nostro.}} {{indent|{{sc|collare}} est vinculi genus, quo collum adstringitur.{{gap|1em}}Lucilius lib. XXVIIII:|2}} {{style|font-size:90%; margin-left:4em;|cum manicis, catulo collareique, ut fugitivum, deportem.}} {{versus|25}}{{indent|{{sc|depilati}} dictum rarefacti.{{gap|1em}}Lucilius lib. XXVIIII:|2}} {{style|font-size:90%; margin-left:4em;|&#x201B;Gnató, quid actumst?&#x2019; — &#x201B;dépilati omnés sumus.&#x2019;}} {{indent|{{sc|excvriari}}, curia excludi.{{gap|1em}}Varro Hippocyne: Apollonium ideo excuriant, quia nihil habebat.|2}} {{indent|{{sc|pensum}} significat exaequatum, quod sine inclinatione sunt quae penduntur.{{versus|30}}{{gap|1em}}Lucilius lib. XXVIII:|2}} {{style|font-size:90%; margin-left:4em;|nil párvo huic pensi. haut litteras doceás lutum. {{!!}}}} {{versus|1}}{{indent|{{sc|aqva intercvs}}, hydropum morbus; quasi aqua inter cutem.{{gap|1em}}Lucilius lib. XXVIII:|2}} {{style|font-size:90%; margin-left:4em;|aquam te in ánimo habere intércutem.}} {{indent|M. Tullius de officiis lib. III: siquis medicamentum cuipiam dederit {{versus|5}} ad aquam intercutem.|2}} {{indent|{{sc|maltas}} veteres molles appellari voluerunt, a graeco, quasi ''{{graeca|μαλθακούς}}''.{{gap|1em}}Lucilius lib. XXVII:|2}} {{style|font-size:90%; margin-left:4em;|ínsanum vocant quem maltam ac féminam dicí vident.}} {{indent|{{sc|monogrammi}} dicti sunt homines macie pertenues ac decolores:|2}} {{regula|align=left|width=6em}} 19 II, 341 || 22 Luc. 1. XXVIIII || 25 1. XXVIIII || 27 Varro Hippocyne || 30 Luc. I. XXVIII || 2 1. XXVIII || 4 III, 24, 92 || 7 Luc. 1. XXVII. {{regula|align=left|width=6em}} '''18''' Adglomerare ''L''<sub>1</sub>, Ho<sub>2</sub>; Aggl. ''rel.'' — inplicare ''L''<sub>1</sub>, ''Bamb.;'' impl. ''rel.;'' applicare ''Quicheratus''. — '''19''' id eneidos ''L''<sub>1</sub>, in aeneidos ''id. 2;'' ''G;'' aeidos ''H''. — ''id''. lib. secundo. — '''20''' agglom. ''L''<sub>2</sub>, ''H;'' aglom. ''G''. — '''21''' quod ''Bamb''. — asstr. ''L''<sub>2</sub>; astr. ''H;'' adstringit (it ''in ras''.) ''Bamb''. — '''22''' XXVIII ''H''. — '''23''' collarique ''Iun.;'' collareque ''cdd''. — '''25. 26''' ''puto'' Dispalati; ''nisi n. N.'' — dicitur ''Bamb. m. 2.'' — Gnatho ''Me'', nato ''cdd''. — '''27''' ''{{graeca|Ἱπποcύνῃ}} Iun.; sed cf. Gell. III, 18, 5.'' — Appollonium (Appollonio ''H''<sub>1</sub>) ''C.'' — '''28''' qua ''L''<sub>1</sub>. ''post'' nihil a ''litt. erasa in H.'' — '''29''' ''non l. nov. in L''. — '''30''' XXVIII ''ed. Bas.;'' XX. octavo ''L, H.'' — '''31''' nil parvo (''i. e.'' puero) huic ''M'', nihil parvi ac ''cdd''. — haut ''M'', uti ''cdd''. — littera ''id.'' (litera ''H''<sub>1</sub>); litteras ''Gerlachius''. — ''lutum de homine dictum, ut ap. Plautum.'' — '''1''' ''non 1. nov. in L; om. Bamb.'' — est hydropum ''H''; est ''deinde deletum, sed rursus restitutum.'' — aquam ''cdd''. — '''3''' ''cf. comm. Luc. XXVIII, 18.'' — te ''om. G.'' — alnimo ''prius H.'' — '''4''' ''cf. 345'' me''dicamentum. — '''6''' altas ''G''; Multas ''Bamb.;'' Malthas ''ed. a. 1476.'' — greco'' L, H. — '''7''' ''{{graeca|μαλθακούς}} ed. 1476'' (''{{graeca|μαλακούς}} al.''), malacus ''cdd''. — '''8''' multam ''G.'' — vident ''Turnebus'', videt ''cdd''. — '''9''' onogrammi ''G.'' — maciae pertenuaes ''prius H.''<noinclude></noinclude> 1v5xb98gffyh8tcvt319dr03bg5pfvv Pagina:Polygamia Triumphatrix.pdf/26 104 83707 272324 272312 2026-06-18T17:19:11Z Erblanchard57 30712 /* Emendata */ 272324 proofread-page text/x-wiki <noinclude><pagequality level="3" user="Erblanchard57" />{{rvh|16|DE POLYGAMIA.|DISCURSUS}} {{smaller-block/s}}</noinclude>''ut non præcipiatur imperio, {{ls}}ed tantum con{{ls}}ilio atque hortatione quadam fuadeatur hone{{ls}}tâ, adeoque non {{ls}}it lex naturæ immutabilis.'' Quod etiam {{ls}}tatuit Guil. Grot. Enchir. de Princ. Jur. Nat. p. 144. Eju{{ls}}dem {{ls}}ententiæ etiam e{{ls}}t Cardinalis ''Cajetanus'' inquiens, ''jure divino uxorum pluralitatem e{{ls}}{{ls}}e licitam, idque naturali jure nullam habere indecentiam, quin & {{ls}}acerdotibus hoc licitum fore ni{{ls}}i Eccle{{ls}}ia{{ls}}ticâ prohiberentur di{{ls}}ciplinâ.'' Nec di{{ls}}{{ls}}entit ''Bellarm. l. 1. de matr. c. 10.'' cum dicit: ''Polygamiam non repugnare juri naturæ, quod e{{ls}}t divinum, quod unus vir ex pluribus fœminis liberos po{{ls}}{{ls}}it {{ls}}u{{ls}}cipere & alere.'' Ita etiam {{ls}}entiunt ''Durandus in 4 {{ls}}ent. di{{ls}}t. 33. qu. 1. & Alphon{{ls}}. in c. 19. Matth. qu. 3.'' & concedunt quidem ''Polygamiam ex parte uxoris repugnare juri naturæ, ita tamen ut negent, Polygamiam ex parte mariti, qua vir multas ducit uxores, juri naturæ adver{{ls}}ari.'' Et Becan. in man. Controv. l. 4. c. 6. conclu{{ls}}. 2. p. 1544. {{ls}}tatuit, ''non ab{{ls}}olutè & {{ls}}impliciter e{{ls}}{{ls}}e contra jus naturæ, plures habere uxores, {{ls}}ed tantum ex parte, cum non repugnet fini primario, procreationi {{ls}}obolis,'' quia quo quis habet plures uxores, eò po{{ls}}{{ls}}it plures liberos procreare. ''Thom. 4. {{ls}}ent. di{{ls}}t. 33. q. 1. Dion. Carthu{{ls}}. in {{ls}}um. Fidei Orthodoxæ l. 4. a. 171. p. 146.'' dicunt e{{ls}}{{ls}}e contra jus naturæ non primarium, quod in ip{{ls}}is principiis {{ls}}pectatur, {{ls}}ed {{ls}}ecundarium. Ex antiquis Patribus etiam {{ls}}unt nonnulli qui di{{ls}}erte ajunt, Polygamiam non e{{ls}}{{ls}}e contra jus naturæ. ''Theodoret. expreßè quæ{{ls}}t. in Gen. 66.'' {{ls}}cribit, ''naturam non prohibere plures ducere uxores.'' Et Augu{{ls}}t. de Bon. Conj. c. 17. Tom. VI. Opp. Non {{ls}}icut uni viro etiam plures habere licebat uxores; ita uni fœminæ plures viros, nec prolis ip{{ls}}ius causâ, {{ls}}i forte illa parere po{{ls}}{{ls}}et, ille generare, non po{{ls}}{{ls}}et, occultâ n. ''lege naturæ amant {{ls}}ingularitatem, quæ principantur.'' Subjecta verò non {{ls}}olum {{ls}}ingula {{ls}}ingulis. Sed {{ls}}i ''ratio naturalis vel {{ls}}ocialis admittit, etiam plura uni non {{ls}}ine decore {{ls}}ubduntur.'' Neque enim {{ls}}ic habet unus {{ls}}ervus plure Dominos, quomodo plures {{ls}}ervi unum Dominum. Ita duobus {{ls}}eu pluribus maritis vivis nullam legimus {{ls}}ervi{{ls}}{{ls}}e {{ls}}anctarum, ''plures autem fœminas legimus conjunctas cum gentis illius {{ls}}ocietas {{ls}}inebat, & temporis ratio {{ls}}uadebat. Neque enim contra naturam nuptiarum est.'' Plures enim fœminæ ab uno viro fœtari po{{ls}}{{ls}}unt, una verò à pluribus non pote{{ls}}t. conf. & T. III. Opp. col. 629. l. 9. de Gen. ad lit. c. 7. & T. IV. col. 222. Quæ{{ls}}t. {{ls}}up. Lev. I. 3. T. IV. col. 1122. de {{ls}}erm. Domini în monte. l. 1. T. V. Opp. de Civit. Dei l. 16. c. 25. T. VI. col. 415. l. 22. contra Fau{{ls}}t. Man. c. 47. T. VII. col. 415. de Nupt. & Concup. l. 12 c. 9. {{anchor|n4}}4. Supra laudatus ''Hugo Grotius'' in libro Incomparabili de J. B. & P. l. 1. c. 1. p. 4. po{{ls}}t quam ''naturale jus'' de{{ls}}crip{{ls}}i{{ls}}{{ls}}et, (quod {{ls}}it ''dictatum rectæ rationis, indicans actui alicui ex ejus convenientiâ vel di{{ls}}convenientiâ cum ipsâ naturâ rationali ine{{ls}}{{ls}}e moralem turpitudinem aut nece{{ls}}{{ls}}itatem moralem, ac con{{ls}}equenter ab autore naturæ Deo talem actum aut vetari aut præcipi'') ac non tantum à Jure humano, {{ls}}ed & divino voluntario, quod non ea præcipit ac vetat, quæ per {{ls}}e ac {{ls}}uapte naturâ aut debita {{ls}}unt, aut illicita, {{ls}}ed vetando illicita, præcipiendo debita facit, di{{ls}}tinxi{{ls}}{{ls}}et, & à communi de{{ls}}criptione jus immutabile, (quod animantibus cum homine {{ls}}it commune) libera{{ls}}{{ls}}et, tandem §. 12. dicit: ''E{{ls}}{{ls}}e aliquid juris naturalis probari folet, cùm ab eo, quod prius e{{ls}}t, tùm ab eo, quod po{{ls}}terius, quarum probandi rationum illa {{ls}}ubtilior, hæc popularior. A priori {{ls}}i o{{ls}}tendatur rei alicujus convenientia aut di{{ls}}convenientia cum naturâ rationali ac {{ls}}ociali. A po{{ls}}teriori verò, {{ls}}i non certi{{ls}}{{ls}}imâ fide, certè probabiliter ad modum juris naturalis e{{ls}}{{ls}}e colligitur id, quod apud omnes aut moratiores omnes tale creditur. Nam univer{{ls}}alis effectus univer{{ls}}alem requirit cau{{ls}}am: talis autem exi{{ls}}timationis cau{{ls}}a vix ulla videtur e{{ls}}{{ls}}e po{{ls}}{{ls}}e, præter {{ls}}en{{ls}}um ip{{ls}}um, communis, qui dicitur,'' He{{ls}}iodi e{{ls}}t dictum à multis laudatum: {{ppoem| {{grc|φήμη δε οὐ τις παμταν ἀπόλλυται, χντινα πολλοὶ}} {{grc|λαοί φημίτουος}}}} Non etenim penitus vana e{{ls}}t {{ls}}ententia, multi Quam celebrant populi. Et hæc ip{{ls}}a à Dn. Grotio monita curæ fuerunt Theophilo, qui & à priori & à po{{ls}}teriori probavit, Polygamiam e{{ls}}{{ls}}e juris<noinclude>{{right|natu-}} {{smaller-block/e}}</noinclude> 7q0ka352ccmn3mbw0n4xe82b4s8aws8 272326 272324 2026-06-18T18:50:32Z Erblanchard57 30712 272326 proofread-page text/x-wiki <noinclude><pagequality level="3" user="Erblanchard57" />{{rvh|16|DE POLYGAMIA.|DISCURSUS}} {{smaller-block/s}}</noinclude>''ut non præcipiatur imperio, {{ls}}ed tantum con{{ls}}ilio atque hortatione quadam fuadeatur hone{{ls}}tâ, adeoque non {{ls}}it lex naturæ immutabilis.'' Quod etiam {{ls}}tatuit Guil. Grot. Enchir. de Princ. Jur. Nat. p. 144. Eju{{ls}}dem {{ls}}ententiæ etiam e{{ls}}t Cardinalis ''Cajetanus'' inquiens, ''jure divino uxorum pluralitatem e{{ls}}{{ls}}e licitam, idque naturali jure nullam habere indecentiam, quin & {{ls}}acerdotibus hoc licitum fore ni{{ls}}i Eccle{{ls}}ia{{ls}}ticâ prohiberentur di{{ls}}ciplinâ.'' Nec di{{ls}}{{ls}}entit ''Bellarm. l. 1. de matr. c. 10.'' cum dicit: ''Polygamiam non repugnare juri naturæ, quod e{{ls}}t divinum, quod unus vir ex pluribus fœminis liberos po{{ls}}{{ls}}it {{ls}}u{{ls}}cipere & alere.'' Ita etiam {{ls}}entiunt ''Durandus in 4 {{ls}}ent. di{{ls}}t. 33. qu. 1. & Alphon{{ls}}. in c. 19. Matth. qu. 3.'' & concedunt quidem ''Polygamiam ex parte uxoris repugnare juri naturæ, ita tamen ut negent, Polygamiam ex parte mariti, qua vir multas ducit uxores, juri naturæ adver{{ls}}ari.'' Et Becan. in man. Controv. l. 4. c. 6. conclu{{ls}}. 2. p. 1544. {{ls}}tatuit, ''non ab{{ls}}olutè & {{ls}}impliciter e{{ls}}{{ls}}e contra jus naturæ, plures habere uxores, {{ls}}ed tantum ex parte, cum non repugnet fini primario, procreationi {{ls}}obolis,'' quia quo quis habet plures uxores, eò po{{ls}}{{ls}}it plures liberos procreare. ''Thom. 4. {{ls}}ent. di{{ls}}t. 33. q. 1. Dion. Carthu{{ls}}. in {{ls}}um. Fidei Orthodoxæ l. 4. a. 171. p. 146.'' dicunt e{{ls}}{{ls}}e contra jus naturæ non primarium, quod in ip{{ls}}is principiis {{ls}}pectatur, {{ls}}ed {{ls}}ecundarium. Ex antiquis Patribus etiam {{ls}}unt nonnulli qui di{{ls}}erte ajunt, Polygamiam non e{{ls}}{{ls}}e contra jus naturæ. ''Theodoret. expreßè quæ{{ls}}t. in Gen. 66.'' {{ls}}cribit, ''naturam non prohibere plures ducere uxores.'' Et Augu{{ls}}t. de Bon. Conj. c. 17. Tom. VI. Opp. Non {{ls}}icut uni viro etiam plures habere licebat uxores; ita uni fœminæ plures viros, nec prolis ip{{ls}}ius causâ, {{ls}}i forte illa parere po{{ls}}{{ls}}et, ille generare, non po{{ls}}{{ls}}et, occultâ n. ''lege naturæ amant {{ls}}ingularitatem, quæ principantur.'' Subjecta verò non {{ls}}olum {{ls}}ingula {{ls}}ingulis. Sed {{ls}}i ''ratio naturalis vel {{ls}}ocialis admittit, etiam plura uni non {{ls}}ine decore {{ls}}ubduntur.'' Neque enim {{ls}}ic habet unus {{ls}}ervus plure Dominos, quomodo plures {{ls}}ervi unum Dominum. Ita duobus {{ls}}eu pluribus maritis vivis nullam legimus {{ls}}ervi{{ls}}{{ls}}e {{ls}}anctarum, ''plures autem fœminas legimus conjunctas cum gentis illius {{ls}}ocietas {{ls}}inebat, & temporis ratio {{ls}}uadebat. Neque enim contra naturam nuptiarum est.'' Plures enim fœminæ ab uno viro fœtari po{{ls}}{{ls}}unt, una verò à pluribus non pote{{ls}}t. conf. & T. III. Opp. col. 629. l. 9. de Gen. ad lit. c. 7. & T. IV. col. 222. Quæ{{ls}}t. {{ls}}up. Lev. I. 3. T. IV. col. 1122. de {{ls}}erm. Domini în monte. l. 1. T. V. Opp. de Civit. Dei l. 16. c. 25. T. VI. col. 415. l. 22. contra Fau{{ls}}t. Man. c. 47. T. VII. col. 415. de Nupt. & Concup. l. 12 c. 9. {{anchor|n4}}4. Supra laudatus ''Hugo Grotius'' in libro Incomparabili de J. B. & P. l. 1. c. 1. p. 4. po{{ls}}t quam ''naturale jus'' de{{ls}}crip{{ls}}i{{ls}}{{ls}}et, (quod {{ls}}it ''dictatum rectæ rationis, indicans actui alicui ex ejus convenientiâ vel di{{ls}}convenientiâ cum ipsâ naturâ rationali ine{{ls}}{{ls}}e moralem turpitudinem aut nece{{ls}}{{ls}}itatem moralem, ac con{{ls}}equenter ab autore naturæ Deo talem actum aut vetari aut præcipi'') ac non tantum à Jure humano, {{ls}}ed & divino voluntario, quod non ea præcipit ac vetat, quæ per {{ls}}e ac {{ls}}uapte naturâ aut debita {{ls}}unt, aut illicita, {{ls}}ed vetando illicita, præcipiendo debita facit, di{{ls}}tinxi{{ls}}{{ls}}et, & à communi de{{ls}}criptione jus immutabile, (quod animantibus cum homine {{ls}}it commune) libera{{ls}}{{ls}}et, tandem §. 12. dicit: ''E{{ls}}{{ls}}e aliquid juris naturalis probari folet, cùm ab eo, quod prius e{{ls}}t, tùm ab eo, quod po{{ls}}terius, quarum probandi rationum illa {{ls}}ubtilior, hæc popularior. A priori {{ls}}i o{{ls}}tendatur rei alicujus convenientia aut di{{ls}}convenientia cum naturâ rationali ac {{ls}}ociali. A po{{ls}}teriori verò, {{ls}}i non certi{{ls}}{{ls}}imâ fide, certè probabiliter ad modum juris naturalis e{{ls}}{{ls}}e colligitur id, quod apud omnes aut moratiores omnes tale creditur. Nam univer{{ls}}alis effectus univer{{ls}}alem requirit cau{{ls}}am: talis autem exi{{ls}}timationis cau{{ls}}a vix ulla videtur e{{ls}}{{ls}}e po{{ls}}{{ls}}e, præter {{ls}}en{{ls}}um ip{{ls}}um, communis, qui dicitur,'' He{{ls}}iodi e{{ls}}t dictum à multis laudatum: {{ppoem| {{SIC|{{grc|φήμη δε οὐ τις παμταν ἀπόλλυται, χντινα πολλοὶ}}|φήμη δ’ οὔ τις πάμπαν ἀπόλλυται, ἥντινα πολλοὶ}} {{SIC|{{grc|λαοί φημίτουος}}|λαοὶ φημίζουσι}}}} Non etenim penitus vana e{{ls}}t {{ls}}ententia, multi Quam celebrant populi. Et hæc ip{{ls}}a à Dn. 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A priori quidem, dum mon{{ls}}travit convenientiam Polygamiæ cum naturâ rationali ma{{ls}}culina th. 2. & fœmininâ th. 3. ac proinde ine{{ls}}{{ls}}e huic actui rectæ rationi congruo bonitatem aut nece{{ls}}{{ls}}itatem moralem, & con{{ls}}equenter ab autore naturæ Deo talem actum præcipi. A po{{ls}}teriori verò, dum apud plero{{ls}}que omnes populos illam u{{ls}}itatam fui{{ls}}{{ls}}e prolixè §. 5. 6. 7. 8. {{ls}}eqq. deducit. Cu... 272325 proofread-page text/x-wiki <noinclude><pagequality level="1" user="Erblanchard57" />{{rvh|17|DE POLYGAMIA.|DISCURSUS}} {{smaller-block/s}}</noinclude>naturalis. A priori quidem, dum mon{{ls}}travit convenientiam Polygamiæ cum naturâ rationali ma{{ls}}culina th. 2. & fœmininâ th. 3. ac proinde ine{{ls}}{{ls}}e huic actui rectæ rationi congruo bonitatem aut nece{{ls}}{{ls}}itatem moralem, & con{{ls}}equenter ab autore naturæ Deo talem actum præcipi. A po{{ls}}teriori verò, dum apud plero{{ls}}que omnes populos illam u{{ls}}itatam fui{{ls}}{{ls}}e prolixè §. 5. 6. 7. 8. {{ls}}eqq. deducit. Cum tamen nec hoc Catone {{ls}}int contenti Anti Polygami, quidam Anti Polygamus ''autor Polygynias'' à meis partibus {{ls}}tat, & prolixè probat ''Polygamiam non e{{ls}}{{ls}}e contra jus Naturæ, qui opponi po{{ls}}{{ls}}et cœteris Anti-Polygamis contrarium a{{ls}}{{ls}}erentibus. {{anchor|n5}}5. Illorum<noinclude>{{right|Abra-}} {{smaller-block/e}}</noinclude> a1hzq6xgbl2eo7y2lffdoyceap2c7so 272327 272325 2026-06-18T19:03:12Z Erblanchard57 30712 272327 proofread-page text/x-wiki <noinclude><pagequality level="1" user="Erblanchard57" />{{rvh|17|DE POLYGAMIA.|DISCURSUS}} {{smaller-block/s}}</noinclude>naturalis. A priori quidem, dum mon{{ls}}travit convenientiam Polygamiæ cum naturâ rationali ma{{ls}}culina th. 2. & fœmininâ th. 3. ac proinde ine{{ls}}{{ls}}e huic actui rectæ rationi congruo bonitatem aut nece{{ls}}{{ls}}itatem moralem, & con{{ls}}equenter ab autore naturæ Deo talem actum præcipi. A po{{ls}}teriori verò, dum apud plero{{ls}}que omnes populos illam u{{ls}}itatam fui{{ls}}{{ls}}e prolixè §. 5. 6. 7. 8. {{ls}}eqq. deducit. Cum tamen nec hoc Catone {{ls}}int contenti Anti Polygami, quidam Anti Polygamus ''autor Polygynias'' à meis partibus {{ls}}tat, & prolixè probat ''Polygamiam non e{{ls}}{{ls}}e contra jus Naturæ, qui opponi po{{ls}}{{ls}}et {{SIC|cœteris|cæteris}} Anti-Polygamis contrarium a{{ls}}{{ls}}erentibus. {{anchor|n5}}5. Illorum<noinclude>{{right|Abra-}} {{smaller-block/e}}</noinclude> 0dwll1oefuawqune0irpnuzf0eklxx3 272328 272327 2026-06-18T19:35:15Z Erblanchard57 30712 272328 proofread-page text/x-wiki <noinclude><pagequality level="1" user="Erblanchard57" />{{rvh|17|DE POLYGAMIA.|DISCURSUS}} {{smaller-block/s}}</noinclude>naturalis. A priori quidem, dum mon{{ls}}travit convenientiam Polygamiæ cum naturâ rationali ma{{ls}}culina th. 2. & fœmininâ th. 3. ac proinde ine{{ls}}{{ls}}e huic actui rectæ rationi congruo bonitatem aut nece{{ls}}{{ls}}itatem moralem, & con{{ls}}equenter ab autore naturæ Deo talem actum præcipi. A po{{ls}}teriori verò, dum apud plero{{ls}}que omnes populos illam u{{ls}}itatam fui{{ls}}{{ls}}e prolixè §. 5. 6. 7. 8. {{ls}}eqq. deducit. Cum tamen nec hoc Catone {{ls}}int contenti Anti Polygami, quidam Anti Polygamus ''autor Polygynias'' à meis partibus {{ls}}tat, & prolixè probat ''Polygamiam non e{{ls}}{{ls}}e contra jus Naturæ, qui opponi po{{ls}}{{ls}}et {{SIC|cœteris|cæteris}} Anti-Polygamis contrarium a{{ls}}{{ls}}erentibus. {{anchor|n5}}5. Illorum argumenta, jus naturæ concernentia, conjunctim examinabo, in primis tamen ea, quæ ''Defen{{ls}}or unius'' {{ls}}eu potius unicæ ut dicendum erat in medium protulit. Dicit vero p. 66. Polygamiam e{{ls}}{{ls}}e contra jus naturæ, & non ob{{ls}}tare, {{ls}}i vel maximè multi ex ignorantiâ juris, vel etiam ex in{{ls}}tinctu carnis libidino{{ls}}o Polygami fuerint, Ex quo {{ls}}equitur hoc ab{{ls}}urdum, vel ex ignorantiâ Juris Patriarchas, quod tamen Theophilus {{ls}}atis §. 49. refutavit, vel ex in{{ls}}tinctu carnis libidino{{ls}}o, à quo Patriarchas omnes primitivæ & modernæ Eccle{{ls}}iæ Doctores in omnibus religionibus ab{{ls}}olvunt, fui{{ls}}{{ls}}e Polygamos. Suam verò the{{ls}}im confirmare nititur 1. ''ex Naturæ in{{ls}}titutione.'' Per naturam autem dubio procul non intelligit omnem naturam creatam, rationalem & irrationalem, ({{ls}}iquidem nec in angelos nec in bruta cadit conjugium) {{ls}}ed humanam tantum, de quâ {{ls}}ciendum, quod hâc in re nil ex 1. in{{ls}}titutione naturæ humanæ {{ls}}equatur, quia Deus gradatim progre{{ls}}{{ls}}us (potui{{ls}}{{ls}}et uno die creare omnia & mille ma{{ls}}culos) & à parvis initium facere voluit. Par & par creavit inter omnia animalia, ut Mu{{ls}}æus de conjugio th. 1. & communiter omnes Theologi {{ls}}tatuunt, par & par intrabant in arcam. Nec prima Rei in{{ls}}titutio præjudicat po{{ls}}teriori auctioni. Status Oeconomicus etiam in{{ls}}titutus e{{ls}}t tùm temporis, & quidem non ni{{ls}}i inter duo, & tamen nil ob{{ls}}tat, quò minus Paterfam. plures alat, non tantum uxores, {{ls}}ed & {{ls}}ervos, ancilla{{ls}}que uti in decimo præcepto conjunguntur & uxor quidem, tanquam principalis & indivi{{ls}}ibilis pars familiæ præponitur, reliqua ceu {{ls}}eparabilia adjunguntur, neutra tum, cum alieno dominio {{ls}}ubjecta appetenda. Ita {{ls}}tatus Politicus etiam in{{ls}}titutis e{{ls}}t in Paradi{{ls}}o. Quis verò tam hebetis e{{ls}}{{ls}}et mentis ut {{ls}}tatueret, non debere plures quàm duo e{{ls}}{{ls}}e in Politia. Collegium Electorale inter {{ls}}eptem e{{ls}}t in{{ls}}titutum. Jam {{ls}}unt octo & {{ls}}i placuerit Imperio Romano, po{{ls}}{{ls}}unt plures fieri Electores. Academiæ cum fundantur paucis {{ls}}æpè con{{ls}}tant Profe{{ls}}{{ls}}oribus, {{ls}}ed po{{ls}}tea augentur. Ip{{ls}}a Eccle{{ls}}ia, Deo Devota con{{ls}}tans tribus Hierarchiis, Eccle{{ls}}ia{{ls}}ticâ, Politicâ & Oeconomicâ in Paradi{{ls}}o in{{ls}}tituta e{{ls}}t, & quidem nonni{{ls}}i inter duo. Adam erat {{ls}}acerdos, Rex & Oeconomus. Eva qua{{ls}}i auditor, inferior {{ls}}uo Domino & pars familiæ. Quis verò tam blennus & bardus {{ls}}it, ut {{ls}}tatuat, nonni{{ls}}i inter duo illam propagari debere.<noinclude>{{right|Abra-}} {{smaller-block/e}}</noinclude> 0jxuilgt1cvyjteg1k5ump85hvsw4ml 272329 272328 2026-06-18T20:09:18Z Erblanchard57 30712 272329 proofread-page text/x-wiki <noinclude><pagequality level="1" user="Erblanchard57" />{{rvh|17|DE POLYGAMIA.|DISCURSUS}} {{smaller-block/s}}</noinclude>naturalis. A priori quidem, dum mon{{ls}}travit convenientiam Polygamiæ cum naturâ rationali ma{{ls}}culina th. 2. & fœmininâ th. 3. ac proinde ine{{ls}}{{ls}}e huic actui rectæ rationi congruo bonitatem aut nece{{ls}}{{ls}}itatem moralem, & con{{ls}}equenter ab autore naturæ Deo talem actum præcipi. A po{{ls}}teriori verò, dum apud plero{{ls}}que omnes populos illam u{{ls}}itatam fui{{ls}}{{ls}}e prolixè §. 5. 6. 7. 8. {{ls}}eqq. deducit. Cum tamen nec hoc Catone {{ls}}int contenti Anti Polygami, quidam Anti Polygamus ''autor Polygynias'' à meis partibus {{ls}}tat, & prolixè probat ''Polygamiam non e{{ls}}{{ls}}e contra jus Naturæ, qui opponi po{{ls}}{{ls}}et {{SIC|cœteris|cæteris}} Anti-Polygamis contrarium a{{ls}}{{ls}}erentibus. {{anchor|n5}}5. Illorum argumenta, jus naturæ concernentia, conjunctim examinabo, in primis tamen ea, quæ ''Defen{{ls}}or unius'' {{ls}}eu potius unicæ ut dicendum erat in medium protulit. Dicit vero p. 66. Polygamiam e{{ls}}{{ls}}e contra jus naturæ, & non ob{{ls}}tare, {{ls}}i vel maximè multi ex ignorantiâ juris, vel etiam ex in{{ls}}tinctu carnis libidino{{ls}}o Polygami fuerint, Ex quo {{ls}}equitur hoc ab{{ls}}urdum, vel ex ignorantiâ Juris Patriarchas, quod tamen Theophilus {{ls}}atis §. 49. refutavit, vel ex in{{ls}}tinctu carnis libidino{{ls}}o, à quo Patriarchas omnes primitivæ & modernæ Eccle{{ls}}iæ Doctores in omnibus religionibus ab{{ls}}olvunt, fui{{ls}}{{ls}}e Polygamos. Suam verò the{{ls}}im confirmare nititur 1. ''ex Naturæ in{{ls}}titutione.'' Per naturam autem dubio procul non intelligit omnem naturam creatam, rationalem & irrationalem, ({{ls}}iquidem nec in angelos nec in bruta cadit conjugium) {{ls}}ed humanam tantum, de quâ {{ls}}ciendum, quod hâc in re nil ex 1. in{{ls}}titutione naturæ humanæ {{ls}}equatur, quia Deus gradatim progre{{ls}}{{ls}}us (potui{{ls}}{{ls}}et uno die creare omnia & mille ma{{ls}}culos) & à parvis initium facere voluit. Par & par creavit inter omnia animalia, ut Mu{{ls}}æus de conjugio th. 1. & communiter omnes Theologi {{ls}}tatuunt, par & par intrabant in arcam. Nec prima Rei in{{ls}}titutio præjudicat po{{ls}}teriori auctioni. Status Oeconomicus etiam in{{ls}}titutus e{{ls}}t tùm temporis, & quidem non ni{{ls}}i inter duo, & tamen nil ob{{ls}}tat, quò minus Paterfam plures alat, non tantum uxores, {{ls}}ed & {{ls}}ervos, ancilla{{ls}}que uti in decimo præcepto conjunguntur & uxor quidem, tanquam principalis & indivi{{ls}}ibilis pars familiæ præponitur, reliqua ceu {{ls}}eparabilia adjunguntur, neutra tum, cum alieno dominio {{ls}}ubjecta appetenda. Ita {{ls}}tatus Politicus etiam in{{ls}}titutis e{{ls}}t in Paradi{{ls}}o. Quis verò tam hebetis e{{ls}}{{ls}}et mentis ut {{ls}}tatueret, non debere plures quàm duo e{{ls}}{{ls}}e in Politia. Collegium Electorale inter {{ls}}eptem e{{ls}}t in{{ls}}titutum. Jam {{ls}}unt octo & {{ls}}i placuerit Imperio Romano, po{{ls}}{{ls}}unt plures fieri Electores. Academiæ cum fundantur paucis {{ls}}æpè con{{ls}}tant Profe{{ls}}{{ls}}oribus, {{ls}}ed po{{ls}}tea augentur. Ip{{ls}}a Eccle{{ls}}ia, Deo Devota con{{ls}}tans tribus Hierarchiis, Eccle{{ls}}ia{{ls}}ticâ, Politicâ & Oeconomicâ in Paradi{{ls}}o in{{ls}}tituta e{{ls}}t, & quidem nonni{{ls}}i inter duo. Adam erat {{ls}}acerdos, Rex & Oeconomus. Eva qua{{ls}}i auditor, inferior {{ls}}uo Domino & pars familiæ. Quis verò tam blennus & bardus {{ls}}it, ut {{ls}}tatuat, nonni{{ls}}i inter duo illam propagari debere.<noinclude>{{right|Abra-}} {{smaller-block/e}}</noinclude> 9g846io66um2nft87l9pvgxau4p8bh2 272330 272329 2026-06-18T20:25:39Z Erblanchard57 30712 /* Emendata */ 272330 proofread-page text/x-wiki <noinclude><pagequality level="3" user="Erblanchard57" />{{rvh|17|DE POLYGAMIA.|DISCURSUS}} {{smaller-block/s}}</noinclude>naturalis. A priori quidem, dum mon{{ls}}travit convenientiam Polygamiæ cum naturâ rationali ma{{ls}}culina th. 2. & fœmininâ th. 3. ac proinde ine{{ls}}{{ls}}e huic actui rectæ rationi congruo bonitatem aut nece{{ls}}{{ls}}itatem moralem, & con{{ls}}equenter ab autore naturæ Deo talem actum præcipi. A po{{ls}}teriori verò, dum apud plero{{ls}}que omnes populos illam u{{ls}}itatam fui{{ls}}{{ls}}e prolixè §. 5. 6. 7. 8. {{ls}}eqq. deducit. Cum tamen nec hoc Catone {{ls}}int contenti Anti Polygami, quidam Anti Polygamus ''autor Polygynias'' à meis partibus {{ls}}tat, & prolixè probat ''Polygamiam non e{{ls}}{{ls}}e contra jus Naturæ, qui opponi po{{ls}}{{ls}}et {{SIC|cœteris|cæteris}} Anti-Polygamis contrarium a{{ls}}{{ls}}erentibus. {{anchor|n5}}5. Illorum argumenta, jus naturæ concernentia, conjunctim examinabo, in primis tamen ea, quæ ''Defen{{ls}}or unius'' {{ls}}eu potius unicæ ut dicendum erat in medium protulit. Dicit vero p. 66. Polygamiam e{{ls}}{{ls}}e contra jus naturæ, & non ob{{ls}}tare, {{ls}}i vel maximè multi ex ignorantiâ juris, vel etiam ex in{{ls}}tinctu carnis libidino{{ls}}o Polygami fuerint, Ex quo {{ls}}equitur hoc ab{{ls}}urdum, vel ex ignorantiâ Juris Patriarchas, quod tamen Theophilus {{ls}}atis §. 49. refutavit, vel ex in{{ls}}tinctu carnis libidino{{ls}}o, à quo Patriarchas omnes primitivæ & modernæ Eccle{{ls}}iæ Doctores in omnibus religionibus ab{{ls}}olvunt, fui{{ls}}{{ls}}e Polygamos. Suam verò the{{ls}}im confirmare nititur 1. ''ex Naturæ in{{ls}}titutione.'' Per naturam autem dubio procul non intelligit omnem naturam creatam, rationalem & irrationalem, ({{ls}}iquidem nec in angelos nec in bruta cadit conjugium) {{ls}}ed humanam tantum, de quâ {{ls}}ciendum, quod hâc in re nil ex 1. in{{ls}}titutione naturæ humanæ {{ls}}equatur, quia Deus gradatim progre{{ls}}{{ls}}us (potui{{ls}}{{ls}}et uno die creare omnia & mille ma{{ls}}culos) & à parvis initium facere voluit. Par & par creavit inter omnia animalia, ut Mu{{ls}}æus de conjugio th. 1. & communiter omnes Theologi {{ls}}tatuunt, par & par intrabant in arcam. Nec prima Rei in{{ls}}titutio præjudicat po{{ls}}teriori auctioni. Status Oeconomicus etiam in{{ls}}titutus e{{ls}}t tùm temporis, & quidem non ni{{ls}}i inter duo, & tamen nil ob{{ls}}tat, quò minus Paterfam plures alat, non tantum uxores, {{ls}}ed & {{ls}}ervos, ancilla{{ls}}que uti in decimo præcepto conjunguntur & uxor quidem, tanquam principalis & indivi{{ls}}ibilis pars familiæ præponitur, reliqua ceu {{ls}}eparabilia adjunguntur, neutra tum, cum alieno dominio {{ls}}ubjecta appetenda. Ita {{ls}}tatus Politicus etiam in{{ls}}titutis e{{ls}}t in Paradi{{ls}}o. Quis verò tam hebetis e{{ls}}{{ls}}et mentis ut {{ls}}tatueret, non debere plures quàm duo e{{ls}}{{ls}}e in Politia. Collegium Electorale inter {{ls}}eptem e{{ls}}t in{{ls}}titutum. Jam {{ls}}unt octo & {{ls}}i placuerit Imperio Romano, po{{ls}}{{ls}}unt plures fieri Electores. Academiæ cum fundantur paucis {{ls}}æpè con{{ls}}tant Profe{{ls}}{{ls}}oribus, {{ls}}ed po{{ls}}tea augentur. Ip{{ls}}a Eccle{{ls}}ia, Deo Devota con{{ls}}tans tribus Hierarchiis, Eccle{{ls}}ia{{ls}}ticâ, Politicâ & Oeconomicâ in Paradi{{ls}}o in{{ls}}tituta e{{ls}}t, & quidem nonni{{ls}}i inter duo. Adam erat {{ls}}acerdos, Rex & Oeconomus. Eva qua{{ls}}i auditor, inferior {{ls}}uo Domino & pars familiæ. Quis verò tam blennus & bardus {{ls}}it, ut {{ls}}tatuat, nonni{{ls}}i inter duo illam propagari debere. {{anchor|n6}}6. Deinde affertur, quòd recta ratio homini indita clamet, in unaquaque re primam antiquitatem e{{ls}}{{ls}}e ponderandam. In quo re{{ls}}picitur ad illud {{grc|πολυθρύλλητον}}; ''antiqui{{ls}}{{ls}}imum quodque veri{{ls}}{{ls}}imum.'' Quod {{ls}}uas etiam patitur limitationes, {{ls}}iquidem Diabolus etiam antiquior homine, & homine quoque Chri{{ls}}to non tamen verior & melior, {{ls}}iquidem in veritate non {{ls}}tetit. Joh. 8. Sed concedo ex abundanti primam antiquitatem e{{ls}}{{ls}}e ponderandam, {{ls}}ed rectè atque {{ls}}obriè, ut deinceps audiemus. In{{ls}}uper dicitur, ad primum matrimonii initium non claris verbis Chri{{ls}}tum ip{{ls}}um remi{{ls}}i{{ls}}{{ls}}e. Verum enim verò Chri{{ls}}tus Matth. 19. ex primo conjugio & verbis Adami tantùm probat indivi{{ls}}ibilitatem conjugum, quòd debeant adhærere invicem, u{{ls}}que ad finem vitæ, nec quia à Deo {{ls}}emel conjuncti, {{ls}}eparari, {{ls}}ed manere una caro, unitate animi & corporis. Neque etiam prima in{{ls}}titutio conjugii e{{ls}}t in cap. 11. ubi e{{ls}}t exemplum primarum nuptiarum, {{ls}}ed cap. 1. ubi Deus dicit: ''cre{{ls}}cite & multiplicamini;'' quæ verba dubio procul de conjugio, eju{{ls}}que primario fine, propagatione {{ls}}obolis agunt, {{ls}}icuti ex his Theophilus {{ls}}ufficienti{{ls}}{{ls}}ime Polygamiam th. 20. a{{ls}}truxit. Sicuti vero cum Paulus adducit exemplum<noinclude>{{right|Abra-}} {{smaller-block/e}}</noinclude> 4n39l29w85e6mf6yyc6ghwmozs9vc1y 272332 272330 2026-06-18T22:13:16Z Erblanchard57 30712 272332 proofread-page text/x-wiki <noinclude><pagequality level="3" user="Erblanchard57" />{{rvh|17|DE POLYGAMIA.|DISCURSUS}} {{smaller-block/s}}</noinclude>naturalis. A priori quidem, dum mon{{ls}}travit convenientiam Polygamiæ cum naturâ rationali ma{{ls}}culina th. 2. & fœmininâ th. 3. ac proinde ine{{ls}}{{ls}}e huic actui rectæ rationi congruo bonitatem aut nece{{ls}}{{ls}}itatem moralem, & con{{ls}}equenter ab autore naturæ Deo talem actum præcipi. A po{{ls}}teriori verò, dum apud plero{{ls}}que omnes populos illam u{{ls}}itatam fui{{ls}}{{ls}}e prolixè §. 5. 6. 7. 8. {{ls}}eqq. deducit. Cum tamen nec hoc Catone {{ls}}int contenti Anti Polygami, quidam Anti Polygamus ''autor Polygynias'' à meis partibus {{ls}}tat, & prolixè probat ''Polygamiam non e{{ls}}{{ls}}e contra jus Naturæ, qui opponi po{{ls}}{{ls}}et cœteris Anti-Polygamis contrarium a{{ls}}{{ls}}erentibus. {{anchor|n5}}5. Illorum argumenta, jus naturæ concernentia, conjunctim examinabo, in primis tamen ea, quæ ''Defen{{ls}}or unius'' {{ls}}eu potius unicæ ut dicendum erat in medium protulit. Dicit vero p. 66. Polygamiam e{{ls}}{{ls}}e contra jus naturæ, & non ob{{ls}}tare, {{ls}}i vel maximè multi ex ignorantiâ juris, vel etiam ex in{{ls}}tinctu carnis libidino{{ls}}o Polygami fuerint, Ex quo {{ls}}equitur hoc ab{{ls}}urdum, vel ex ignorantiâ Juris Patriarchas, quod tamen Theophilus {{ls}}atis §. 49. refutavit, vel ex in{{ls}}tinctu carnis libidino{{ls}}o, à quo Patriarchas omnes primitivæ & modernæ Eccle{{ls}}iæ Doctores in omnibus religionibus ab{{ls}}olvunt, fui{{ls}}{{ls}}e Polygamos. Suam verò the{{ls}}im confirmare nititur 1. ''ex Naturæ in{{ls}}titutione.'' Per naturam autem dubio procul non intelligit omnem naturam creatam, rationalem & irrationalem, ({{ls}}iquidem nec in angelos nec in bruta cadit conjugium) {{ls}}ed humanam tantum, de quâ {{ls}}ciendum, quod hâc in re nil ex 1. in{{ls}}titutione naturæ humanæ {{ls}}equatur, quia Deus gradatim progre{{ls}}{{ls}}us (potui{{ls}}{{ls}}et uno die creare omnia & mille ma{{ls}}culos) & à parvis initium facere voluit. Par & par creavit inter omnia animalia, ut Mu{{ls}}æus de conjugio th. 1. & communiter omnes Theologi {{ls}}tatuunt, par & par intrabant in arcam. Nec prima Rei in{{ls}}titutio præjudicat po{{ls}}teriori auctioni. Status Oeconomicus etiam in{{ls}}titutus e{{ls}}t tùm temporis, & quidem non ni{{ls}}i inter duo, & tamen nil ob{{ls}}tat, quò minus Paterfam plures alat, non tantum uxores, {{ls}}ed & {{ls}}ervos, ancilla{{ls}}que uti in decimo præcepto conjunguntur & uxor quidem, tanquam principalis & indivi{{ls}}ibilis pars familiæ præponitur, reliqua ceu {{ls}}eparabilia adjunguntur, neutra tum, cum alieno dominio {{ls}}ubjecta appetenda. Ita {{ls}}tatus Politicus etiam in{{ls}}titutis e{{ls}}t in Paradi{{ls}}o. Quis verò tam hebetis e{{ls}}{{ls}}et mentis ut {{ls}}tatueret, non debere plures quàm duo e{{ls}}{{ls}}e in Politia. Collegium Electorale inter {{ls}}eptem e{{ls}}t in{{ls}}titutum. Jam {{ls}}unt octo & {{ls}}i placuerit Imperio Romano, po{{ls}}{{ls}}unt plures fieri Electores. Academiæ cum fundantur paucis {{ls}}æpè con{{ls}}tant Profe{{ls}}{{ls}}oribus, {{ls}}ed po{{ls}}tea augentur. Ip{{ls}}a Eccle{{ls}}ia, Deo Devota con{{ls}}tans tribus Hierarchiis, Eccle{{ls}}ia{{ls}}ticâ, Politicâ & Oeconomicâ in Paradi{{ls}}o in{{ls}}tituta e{{ls}}t, & quidem nonni{{ls}}i inter duo. Adam erat {{ls}}acerdos, Rex & Oeconomus. Eva qua{{ls}}i auditor, inferior {{ls}}uo Domino & pars familiæ. Quis verò tam blennus & bardus {{ls}}it, ut {{ls}}tatuat, nonni{{ls}}i inter duo illam propagari debere. {{anchor|n6}}6. Deinde affertur, quòd recta ratio homini indita clamet, in unaquaque re primam antiquitatem e{{ls}}{{ls}}e ponderandam. In quo re{{ls}}picitur ad illud {{grc|πολυθρύλλητον}}; ''antiqui{{ls}}{{ls}}imum quodque veri{{ls}}{{ls}}imum.'' Quod {{ls}}uas etiam patitur limitationes, {{ls}}iquidem Diabolus etiam antiquior homine, & homine quoque Chri{{ls}}to non tamen verior & melior, {{ls}}iquidem in veritate non {{ls}}tetit. Joh. 8. Sed concedo ex abundanti primam antiquitatem e{{ls}}{{ls}}e ponderandam, {{ls}}ed rectè atque {{ls}}obriè, ut deinceps audiemus. In{{ls}}uper dicitur, ad primum matrimonii initium non claris verbis Chri{{ls}}tum ip{{ls}}um remi{{ls}}i{{ls}}{{ls}}e. Verum enim verò Chri{{ls}}tus Matth. 19. ex primo conjugio & verbis Adami tantùm probat indivi{{ls}}ibilitatem conjugum, quòd debeant adhærere invicem, u{{ls}}que ad finem vitæ, nec quia à Deo {{ls}}emel conjuncti, {{ls}}eparari, {{ls}}ed manere una caro, unitate animi & corporis. Neque etiam prima in{{ls}}titutio conjugii e{{ls}}t in cap. 11. ubi e{{ls}}t exemplum primarum nuptiarum, {{ls}}ed cap. 1. ubi Deus dicit: ''cre{{ls}}cite & multiplicamini;'' quæ verba dubio procul de conjugio, eju{{ls}}que primario fine, propagatione {{ls}}obolis agunt, {{ls}}icuti ex his Theophilus {{ls}}ufficienti{{ls}}{{ls}}ime Polygamiam th. 20. a{{ls}}truxit. Sicuti vero cum Paulus adducit exemplum<noinclude>{{right|Abra-}} {{smaller-block/e}}</noinclude> 4mflmb5e5myiim7xcj6szczc2y3wuay 272335 272332 2026-06-19T00:50:59Z Erblanchard57 30712 272335 proofread-page text/x-wiki <noinclude><pagequality level="3" user="Erblanchard57" />{{rvh|17|DE POLYGAMIA.|DISCURSUS}} {{smaller-block/s}}</noinclude>naturalis. A priori quidem, dum mon{{ls}}travit convenientiam Polygamiæ cum naturâ rationali ma{{ls}}culina th. 2. & fœmininâ th. 3. ac proinde ine{{ls}}{{ls}}e huic actui rectæ rationi congruo bonitatem aut nece{{ls}}{{ls}}itatem moralem, & con{{ls}}equenter ab autore naturæ Deo talem actum præcipi. A po{{ls}}teriori verò, dum apud plero{{ls}}que omnes populos illam u{{ls}}itatam fui{{ls}}{{ls}}e prolixè §. 5. 6. 7. 8. {{ls}}eqq. deducit. Cum tamen nec hoc Catone {{ls}}int contenti Anti Polygami, quidam Anti Polygamus ''autor Polygynias'' à meis partibus {{ls}}tat, & prolixè probat ''Polygamiam non e{{ls}}{{ls}}e contra jus Naturæ, qui opponi po{{ls}}{{ls}}et cœteris Anti-Polygamis contrarium a{{ls}}{{ls}}erentibus. {{anchor|n5}}5. Illorum argumenta, jus naturæ concernentia, conjunctim examinabo, in primis tamen ea, quæ ''Defen{{ls}}or unius'' {{ls}}eu potius unicæ ut dicendum erat in medium protulit. Dicit vero p. 66. Polygamiam e{{ls}}{{ls}}e contra jus naturæ, & non ob{{ls}}tare, {{ls}}i vel maximè multi ex ignorantiâ juris, vel etiam ex in{{ls}}tinctu carnis libidino{{ls}}o Polygami fuerint, Ex quo {{ls}}equitur hoc ab{{ls}}urdum, vel ex ignorantiâ Juris Patriarchas, quod tamen Theophilus {{ls}}atis §. 49. refutavit, vel ex in{{ls}}tinctu carnis libidino{{ls}}o, à quo Patriarchas omnes primitivæ & modernæ Eccle{{ls}}iæ Doctores in omnibus religionibus ab{{ls}}olvunt, fui{{ls}}{{ls}}e Polygamos. Suam verò the{{ls}}im confirmare nititur 1. ''ex Naturæ in{{ls}}titutione.'' Per naturam autem dubio procul non intelligit omnem naturam creatam, rationalem & irrationalem, ({{ls}}iquidem nec in angelos nec in bruta cadit conjugium) {{ls}}ed humanam tantum, de quâ {{ls}}ciendum, quod hâc in re nil ex 1. in{{ls}}titutione naturæ humanæ {{ls}}equatur, quia Deus gradatim progre{{ls}}{{ls}}us (potui{{ls}}{{ls}}et uno die creare omnia & mille ma{{ls}}culos) & à parvis initium facere voluit. Par & par creavit inter omnia animalia, ut Mu{{ls}}æus de conjugio th. 1. & communiter omnes Theologi {{ls}}tatuunt, par & par intrabant in arcam. Nec prima Rei in{{ls}}titutio præjudicat po{{ls}}teriori auctioni. Status Oeconomicus etiam in{{ls}}titutus e{{ls}}t tùm temporis, & quidem non ni{{ls}}i inter duo, & tamen nil ob{{ls}}tat, quò minus Paterfam plures alat, non tantum uxores, {{ls}}ed & {{ls}}ervos, ancilla{{ls}}que uti in decimo præcepto conjunguntur & uxor quidem, tanquam principalis & indivi{{ls}}ibilis pars familiæ præponitur, reliqua ceu {{ls}}eparabilia adjunguntur, neutra tum, cum alieno dominio {{ls}}ubjecta appetenda. Ita {{ls}}tatus Politicus etiam in{{ls}}titutis e{{ls}}t in Paradi{{ls}}o. Quis verò tam hebetis e{{ls}}{{ls}}et mentis ut {{ls}}tatueret, non debere plures quàm duo e{{ls}}{{ls}}e in Politia. Collegium Electorale inter {{ls}}eptem e{{ls}}t in{{ls}}titutum. Jam {{ls}}unt octo & {{ls}}i placuerit Imperio Romano, po{{ls}}{{ls}}unt plures fieri Electores. Academiæ cum fundantur paucis {{ls}}æpè con{{ls}}tant Profe{{ls}}{{ls}}oribus, {{ls}}ed po{{ls}}tea augentur. Ip{{ls}}a Eccle{{ls}}ia, Deo Devota con{{ls}}tans tribus Hierarchiis, Eccle{{ls}}ia{{ls}}ticâ, Politicâ & Oeconomicâ in Paradi{{ls}}o in{{ls}}tituta e{{ls}}t, & quidem nonni{{ls}}i inter duo. Adam erat {{ls}}acerdos, Rex & Oeconomus. Eva qua{{ls}}i auditor, inferior {{ls}}uo Domino & pars familiæ. Quis verò tam blennus & bardus {{ls}}it, ut {{ls}}tatuat, nonni{{ls}}i inter duo illam propagari debere. {{anchor|n6}}6. Deinde affertur, quòd recta ratio homini indita clamet, in unaquaque re primam antiquitatem e{{ls}}{{ls}}e ponderandam. In quo re{{ls}}picitur ad illud {{grc|πολυθρύλλητον}}; ''antiqui{{ls}}{{ls}}imum quodque veri{{ls}}{{ls}}imum.'' Quod {{ls}}uas etiam patitur limitationes, {{ls}}iquidem Diabolus etiam antiquior homine, & homine quoque Chri{{ls}}to non tamen verior & melior, {{ls}}iquidem in veritate non {{ls}}tetit. Joh. 8. Sed concedo ex abundanti primam antiquitatem e{{ls}}{{ls}}e ponderandam, {{ls}}ed rectè atque {{ls}}obriè, ut deinceps audiemus. In{{ls}}uper dicitur, ad primum matrimonii initium non claris verbis Chri{{ls}}tum ip{{ls}}um remi{{ls}}i{{ls}}{{ls}}e. Verum enim verò Chri{{ls}}tus Matth. 19. ex primo conjugio & verbis Adami tantùm probat indivi{{ls}}ibilitatem conjugum, quòd debeant adhærere invicem, u{{ls}}que ad finem vitæ, nec quia à Deo {{ls}}emel conjuncti, {{ls}}eparari, {{ls}}ed manere una caro, unitate animi & corporis. Neque etiam prima in{{ls}}titutio conjugii e{{ls}}t in cap. 11. ubi e{{ls}}t exemplum primarum nuptiarum, {{ls}}ed cap. 1. ubi Deus dicit: ''cre{{ls}}cite & multiplicamini;'' quæ verba dubio procul de conjugio, eju{{ls}}que primario fine, propagatione {{ls}}obolis agunt, {{ls}}icuti ex his Theophilus {{ls}}ufficienti{{ls}}{{ls}}ime Polygamiam [[Polygamia Triumphatrix/Thesis 20|th. 20.]] a{{ls}}truxit. Sicuti vero cum Paulus adducit exemplum<noinclude>{{right|Abra-}} {{smaller-block/e}}</noinclude> da4a4ctndlq3tsi2avh0rh3v8hhn5mj 272336 272335 2026-06-19T00:52:22Z Erblanchard57 30712 272336 proofread-page text/x-wiki <noinclude><pagequality level="3" user="Erblanchard57" />{{rvh|17|DE POLYGAMIA.|DISCURSUS}} {{smaller-block/s}}</noinclude>naturalis. A priori quidem, dum mon{{ls}}travit convenientiam Polygamiæ cum naturâ rationali ma{{ls}}culina th. 2. & fœmininâ th. 3. ac proinde ine{{ls}}{{ls}}e huic actui rectæ rationi congruo bonitatem aut nece{{ls}}{{ls}}itatem moralem, & con{{ls}}equenter ab autore naturæ Deo talem actum præcipi. A po{{ls}}teriori verò, dum apud plero{{ls}}que omnes populos illam u{{ls}}itatam fui{{ls}}{{ls}}e prolixè §. 5. 6. 7. 8. {{ls}}eqq. deducit. Cum tamen nec hoc Catone {{ls}}int contenti Anti Polygami, quidam Anti Polygamus ''autor Polygynias'' à meis partibus {{ls}}tat, & prolixè probat ''Polygamiam non e{{ls}}{{ls}}e contra jus Naturæ, qui opponi po{{ls}}{{ls}}et cœteris Anti-Polygamis contrarium a{{ls}}{{ls}}erentibus. {{anchor|n5}}5. Illorum argumenta, jus naturæ concernentia, conjunctim examinabo, in primis tamen ea, quæ ''Defen{{ls}}or unius'' {{ls}}eu potius unicæ ut dicendum erat in medium protulit. Dicit vero p. 66. Polygamiam e{{ls}}{{ls}}e contra jus naturæ, & non ob{{ls}}tare, {{ls}}i vel maximè multi ex ignorantiâ juris, vel etiam ex in{{ls}}tinctu carnis libidino{{ls}}o Polygami fuerint, Ex quo {{ls}}equitur hoc ab{{ls}}urdum, vel ex ignorantiâ Juris Patriarchas, quod tamen Theophilus {{ls}}atis §. 49. refutavit, vel ex in{{ls}}tinctu carnis libidino{{ls}}o, à quo Patriarchas omnes primitivæ & modernæ Eccle{{ls}}iæ Doctores in omnibus religionibus ab{{ls}}olvunt, fui{{ls}}{{ls}}e Polygamos. Suam verò the{{ls}}im confirmare nititur 1. ''ex Naturæ in{{ls}}titutione.'' Per naturam autem dubio procul non intelligit omnem naturam creatam, rationalem & irrationalem, ({{ls}}iquidem nec in angelos nec in bruta cadit conjugium) {{ls}}ed humanam tantum, de quâ {{ls}}ciendum, quod hâc in re nil ex 1. in{{ls}}titutione naturæ humanæ {{ls}}equatur, quia Deus gradatim progre{{ls}}{{ls}}us (potui{{ls}}{{ls}}et uno die creare omnia & mille ma{{ls}}culos) & à parvis initium facere voluit. Par & par creavit inter omnia animalia, ut Mu{{ls}}æus de conjugio th. 1. & communiter omnes Theologi {{ls}}tatuunt, par & par intrabant in arcam. Nec prima Rei in{{ls}}titutio præjudicat po{{ls}}teriori auctioni. Status Oeconomicus etiam in{{ls}}titutus e{{ls}}t tùm temporis, & quidem non ni{{ls}}i inter duo, & tamen nil ob{{ls}}tat, quò minus Paterfam plures alat, non tantum uxores, {{ls}}ed & {{ls}}ervos, ancilla{{ls}}que uti in decimo præcepto conjunguntur & uxor quidem, tanquam principalis & indivi{{ls}}ibilis pars familiæ præponitur, reliqua ceu {{ls}}eparabilia adjunguntur, neutra tum, cum alieno dominio {{ls}}ubjecta appetenda. Ita {{ls}}tatus Politicus etiam in{{ls}}titutis e{{ls}}t in Paradi{{ls}}o. Quis verò tam hebetis e{{ls}}{{ls}}et mentis ut {{ls}}tatueret, non debere plures quàm duo e{{ls}}{{ls}}e in Politia. Collegium Electorale inter {{ls}}eptem e{{ls}}t in{{ls}}titutum. Jam {{ls}}unt octo & {{ls}}i placuerit Imperio Romano, po{{ls}}{{ls}}unt plures fieri Electores. Academiæ cum fundantur paucis {{ls}}æpè con{{ls}}tant Profe{{ls}}{{ls}}oribus, {{ls}}ed po{{ls}}tea augentur. Ip{{ls}}a Eccle{{ls}}ia, Deo Devota con{{ls}}tans tribus Hierarchiis, Eccle{{ls}}ia{{ls}}ticâ, Politicâ & Oeconomicâ in Paradi{{ls}}o in{{ls}}tituta e{{ls}}t, & quidem nonni{{ls}}i inter duo. Adam erat {{ls}}acerdos, Rex & Oeconomus. Eva qua{{ls}}i auditor, inferior {{ls}}uo Domino & pars familiæ. Quis verò tam blennus & bardus {{ls}}it, ut {{ls}}tatuat, nonni{{ls}}i inter duo illam propagari debere. {{anchor|n6}}6. Deinde affertur, quòd recta ratio homini indita clamet, in unaquaque re primam antiquitatem e{{ls}}{{ls}}e ponderandam. In quo re{{ls}}picitur ad illud {{grc|πολυθρύλλητον}}; ''antiqui{{ls}}{{ls}}imum quodque veri{{ls}}{{ls}}imum.'' Quod {{ls}}uas etiam patitur limitationes, {{ls}}iquidem Diabolus etiam antiquior homine, & homine quoque Chri{{ls}}to non tamen verior & melior, {{ls}}iquidem in veritate non {{ls}}tetit. Joh. 8. Sed concedo ex abundanti primam antiquitatem e{{ls}}{{ls}}e ponderandam, {{ls}}ed rectè atque {{ls}}obriè, ut deinceps audiemus. In{{ls}}uper dicitur, ad primum matrimonii initium non claris verbis Chri{{ls}}tum ip{{ls}}um remi{{ls}}i{{ls}}{{ls}}e. Verum enim verò Chri{{ls}}tus Matth. 19. ex primo conjugio & verbis Adami tantùm probat indivi{{ls}}ibilitatem conjugum, quòd debeant adhærere invicem, u{{ls}}que ad finem vitæ, nec quia à Deo {{ls}}emel conjuncti, {{ls}}eparari, {{ls}}ed manere una caro, unitate animi & corporis. Neque etiam prima in{{ls}}titutio conjugii e{{ls}}t in cap. {{SIC|11.|II.}} ubi e{{ls}}t exemplum primarum nuptiarum, {{ls}}ed cap. 1. ubi Deus dicit: ''cre{{ls}}cite & multiplicamini;'' quæ verba dubio procul de conjugio, eju{{ls}}que primario fine, propagatione {{ls}}obolis agunt, {{ls}}icuti ex his Theophilus {{ls}}ufficienti{{ls}}{{ls}}ime Polygamiam [[Polygamia Triumphatrix/Thesis 20|th. 20.]] a{{ls}}truxit. Sicuti vero cum Paulus adducit exemplum<noinclude>{{right|Abra-}} {{smaller-block/e}}</noinclude> t4wbzc3mhuoc57j71qr2j395oqij6wz Polygamia Triumphatrix/Thesis 2 0 83711 272331 2026-06-18T20:28:28Z Erblanchard57 30712 Paginam instituit, scribens '{{titulus |Scriptor=Johannes Lyserus |OperaeTitulus=Polygamia Triumphatrix |OperaeWikiPagina=Polygamia Triumphatrix |Annus= 1682 |SubTitulus= Thesis IΙ. |Liber=Polygamia Triumphatrix.pdf }} {{Liber |Ante= Thesis I |AnteNomen=Polygamia Triumphatrix/Thesis 1 |Post= Thesis III |PostNomen= Polygamia Triumphatrix/Thesis 3 }} <pages index="Polygamia Triumphatrix.pdf" from=23 to=27 fromsection=T2 tosection="T1" /> {{Liber |Ante=Thesis I |AnteNomen=Polygamia Triumph...' 272331 wikitext text/x-wiki {{titulus |Scriptor=Johannes Lyserus |OperaeTitulus=Polygamia Triumphatrix |OperaeWikiPagina=Polygamia Triumphatrix |Annus= 1682 |SubTitulus= Thesis IΙ. |Liber=Polygamia Triumphatrix.pdf }} {{Liber |Ante= Thesis I |AnteNomen=Polygamia Triumphatrix/Thesis 1 |Post= Thesis III |PostNomen= Polygamia Triumphatrix/Thesis 3 }} <pages index="Polygamia Triumphatrix.pdf" from=23 to=27 fromsection=T2 tosection="T1" /> {{Liber |Ante=Thesis I |AnteNomen=Polygamia Triumphatrix/Thesis 1 |Post= Thesis III |PostNomen= Polygamia Triumphatrix/Thesis 3 }} 391g4lo26zgtkcg6z86y6fzr71akz7m Disputatio Libri:Noni Marcelli Compendiosa doctrina (v.1, ed. 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[[Usor:Shenme|Shenme]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Shenme|disputatio]]) 22:32, 18 Iunii 2026 (UTC) 4lylh2onmma6lszi17gud51yi36b1km Pagina:Polygamia Triumphatrix.pdf/28 104 83713 272337 2026-06-19T01:02:27Z Erblanchard57 30712 /* Emendata */ 272337 proofread-page text/x-wiki <noinclude><pagequality level="3" user="Erblanchard57" />{{rvh|18|DE POLYGAMIA.|DISCURSUS}}{{smaller-block/s}}</noinclude>Abrahami in explicandâ naturâ fidei, non pote{{ls}}t exinde tota e{{ls}}{{ls}}entia fidei exhauriri, {{ls}}ed adjungenda etiam {{ls}}unt reliqua dicta hinc & inde de fide agentia, & cœtera Exempla Hebr. 11. longâ {{ls}}erie à Gentium Apo{{ls}}tolo adducta, ita etiam in materiâ conjugii explanandâ non {{ls}}ufficit unicum exemplum Adami Gen. {{SIC|11.|II.}} qua{{ls}}i {{ls}}it unica totalis & adæquata norma omnium de conjugio occurrentium controver{{ls}}iarum, cum exinde principaliter indi{{ls}}{{ls}}olubilitas perpetua, uti Chri{{ls}}tus docet, evincatur; {{ls}}ed addendum etiam e{{ls}}t caput primum, ubi in mandato ''cre{{ls}}cite & multiplicamini,'' procreatio {{ls}}obolis, eju{{ls}}que convenienti{{ls}}{{ls}}imum medium Polygamia {{ls}}cil. ut Theoph. th. 20. mon{{ls}}travit, imperatur. Nec prætereundum e{{ls}}t caput. {{SIC|111.|III.}} ubi dominium viri ab{{ls}}olutum in uxorem, eju{{ls}}que {{ls}}ubjectio {{ls}}umma in omnibus, uxori{{ls}}que voluntas in {{ls}}olidum dependens à voluntate viri de{{ls}}cribitur. Neque negligendum e{{ls}}t cap. 4. ubi exemplum habetur primum Lamechi digami, non reprehen{{ls}}um, {{ls}}ed ut Theoph. th. 32. docet, {{ls}}atis benedictum à Deo, qui cum primum exemplum contra ejus legem, {{ls}}i qua fui{{ls}}{{ls}}et Gen. 11. non taxat, approbat, aut legem tollit. Sequentia etiam capita {{ls}}unt in{{ls}}picienda, ubi in Antediluviabus con{{ls}}picitur abu{{ls}}us conjugii, quòd ex voluntate carnali ducerent, quas vellent uxores. Nec omittenda reliqua Nahoris, Abrahami, Jacobi, E{{ls}}auvi, Simeonis, Elkanæ, Gideonis, Saülis, Davidis, Salomonis Exempla Polygamica, nu{{ls}}piam neque generaliter neque {{ls}}pecialiter neque per legem neque in exemplis reprobata. Et {{ls}}ic pote{{ls}}t vera natura conjugii explicari, atque clari{{ls}}{{ls}}imè domon{{ls}}trari, quòd Polygamia cum jure divino non pugnet, atque ma{{ls}}culinæ & fœmininæ naturæ, adeoque juri naturæ non {{ls}}it contraria: ni{{ls}}i velimus dicere, quòd populus Dei oculi{{ls}}{{ls}}imus, cum quo Deus familiari{{ls}}{{ls}}imè cùm ip{{ls}}e tùm per Prophetas locutus, hæc jura ignoraverit. Audiamus tamen porrò, quomodo ''Autor unius'' ulterius {{ls}}atagat {{ls}}uam Monogamiam probare. Si prima, inquit, hominis origo con{{ls}}ulitur, ea hæc fuit, ut Deus, autor naturæ, ma{{ls}}culum & fœminam (non fœminas) in unitatem {{ls}}ocietatis conjugalis jungi bonum e{{ls}}{{ls}}e judicaverit. Quod quidem concedimus, Deum pro bono habui{{ls}}{{ls}}e, uno & quidem primo humanæ creationis die unam tantum fœminam adjunxi{{ls}}{{ls}}e. Non enim putabat con{{ls}}ultum unâ die Adamum pluribus onerare uxoribus. (Unde Laban ad Jacobum ait, ut prius {{ls}}eptimanas aliquot cum Leâ con{{ls}}umat, quò melius amor maritalis excitetur, confirmetur, atque {{grc|ἐύνοια}} maritalis {{ls}}eu, ut vocatur, {{grc|ὀφειλομένη}} {{ls}}tabiliatur, nec per alias uxores impediatur. præ{{ls}}ertim po{{ls}}t lap{{ls}}um ubi multa hone{{ls}}tè fiunt, quæ non hone{{ls}}tè con{{ls}}piciuntur) {{ls}}ed primum animadvertere, quomodo cum primâ {{ls}}e gereret. Cum verò primæ obediendo laberetur, atque omnibus bonis animi, corporis, & fortunæ, Paradi{{ls}}o etiam, mediante Evâ excideret, plures {{ls}}ine dubio non de{{ls}}iderabat uxores, metuens ne totius mundi exul plura mala incurreret. Primam autem, ut Biblia Erne{{ls}}tina explicant, de{{ls}}iderabat, cum Deus ad ip{{ls}}um adduceret omnia animalia, ad examen Adami in {{SIC|{{grc|ονομαθεοσὰ}}|ὀνοματοθεσία}} illorum in{{ls}}tituendum, & exinde creati Adami concreatam {{ls}}apientiam explorandam & excolendam; & cum par & par in omnibus contemplaretur brutis, Adamus etiam {{ls}}ociam concupivit, quod Deus ip{{ls}}e innuere videtur, huic examini rigoro{{ls}}o {{ls}}ubjungens: ''non e{{ls}}t bonum hominem e{{ls}}{{ls}}e {{ls}}olum:'' qua{{ls}}i diceret; in animantibus animadvertit ille, quod non habeat, cum {{ls}}it {{grc|μικροκόσμος}}, parem, ''faciamus igitur ei adjutorium.'' Et hoc bonum {{ls}}eu beneficium uti vocatur mulier, volenti communicabat. Cum verò po{{ls}}t lap{{ls}}um ex {{ls}}upradictà ratione nollet plures, invito etiam Deus plura nolebat obtrudere, {{ls}}i quidem Deus ceu liberum agens hominem etiam creavit liberum, libereque permittit agere, nec cogit quemque ad aliquod bonum vel accipiendum vel refugiendum. Neque ab{{ls}}urdum e{{ls}}t, {{ls}}i quis dicat, Adamum po{{ls}}t lap{{ls}}um Evæ non fui{{ls}}{{ls}}e adeò æquum, {{ls}}ed for{{ls}}itan illam ceu tanti mali cau{{ls}}am, ni{{ls}}i {{ls}}ingulari{{ls}}{{ls}}imè cor ip{{ls}}ius direxi{{ls}}{{ls}}et Deus, & illam in{{ls}}eparabilitatem conjugalem ab Adamo jamdum in primâ adductione Evæ agnitam in memoriam revoca{{ls}}{{ls}}et, nunquam iterum a{{ls}}pexi{{ls}}{{ls}}e, {{ls}}ed potius repudia{{ls}}{{ls}}e. {{nop}}<noinclude>{{right|7. Ex-}}{{smaller-block/e}}</noinclude> fywwayd6cy1yn059k2hon5d2jh2fda3 Pagina:Polygamia Triumphatrix.pdf/29 104 83714 272339 2026-06-19T04:12:26Z Erblanchard57 30712 /* Emendata */ 272339 proofread-page text/x-wiki <noinclude><pagequality level="3" user="Erblanchard57" />{{rvh|19|DE POLYGAMIA.|DISCURSUS}}{{smaller-block/s}}</noinclude>{{anchor|n7}}7. Exinde verò quod ''Autor unius'' dicit, Deo vi{{ls}}um bonum e{{ls}}{{ls}}e, {{ls}}i duo tantùm conjungeret, tale extruit argumentum: Quodcunque adver{{ls}}atur bonitati naturæ humanæ à Deo primum conditæ, illud adver{{ls}}atur juri naturæ. Atqui Polygamia adver{{ls}}atur. E. Minor e{{ls}}t {{ls}}impliciter fal{{ls}}a, {{ls}}iquidem Deus tantùm mon{{ls}}trare voluit, convenientius e{{ls}}{{ls}}e uno die unam tantùm ducere, {{ls}}icuti ip{{ls}}e uno & quidem primo creationis Adamiticæ die unam tantum a{{ls}}{{ls}}ociare voluit, non tamen exclu{{ls}}it aut prohibuit plures {{ls}}equentibus ducere diebus. Bonitas verò illa perpetua & {{ls}}emper ob{{ls}}ervanda, quòd ita in duobus duntaxat debeat con{{ls}}i{{ls}}tere, unde probabitur? Eadem etiam dici po{{ls}}{{ls}}ent de animanibus, e{{ls}}{{ls}}e contra bonitatem naturæ brutalis primitus creatæ, {{ls}}i jam Pater familias gallo plures gallinas, bovi, hædo, arieti plures concederet fœmellas. Quòd quàm ab{{ls}}urdum {{ls}}it, nemo non videt. Fundar autem illam (perpetuam) bonitatem in lege perpetuâ conditoris de Monogamia exclu{{ls}}iva Polygamiæ. Quæ lex nu{{ls}}piam apparet, & e{{ls}}t planè Utopica, ut infrà videbitur. Momenta verò quæ ob{{ls}}ervanda affert ad minorem probandam, {{ls}}anè non {{ls}}unt invicta, {{ls}}ed partim refutata jamdum, partim adhuc inferius refutanda. Placet tamen ea breviter examinare: Primò igitur dicit, Deum crea{{ls}}{{ls}}e Adamum bonum, {{ls}}i {{ls}}ermo {{ls}}it de bonitate per{{ls}}onali & individui, nihilominus tamen de{{ls}}ideratum e{{ls}}{{ls}}e aliquod adhuc bonum, commune {{ls}}cilicet faciens ad propagationem {{ls}}peciei decentem & perpetuam. Verum enim verò primum hoc momentum parum momenti habet, & no{{ls}}træ Polygamiæ nil præjudicat, {{ls}}ed potius i{{ls}}tam {{ls}}tabilit, dum conjugii, cujus {{ls}}pecies e{{ls}}t Polygamia, nece{{ls}}{{ls}}itatem inculcat. Alterum verò momentum, quòd {{ls}}cilicet Deus illud bonum commune con{{ls}}titui{{ls}}{{ls}}et in adjuctorio non multarum, {{ls}}ed unius tantùm mulieris, nil momenti habet, {{ls}}iquidem ut omnia initia {{ls}}unt parva, ita Deus voluit à pari, {{ls}}icut in cœteris animanibus, incipere, quod erat in principio {{ls}}ufficiens ad con{{ls}}tituendam {{ls}}ocietatem conjugalem, nil tamen impediebat, quò minus i{{ls}}ta {{ls}}ocietas po{{ls}}teà potuerit augeri. Non enim ''in{{ls}}titutio'' i{{ls}}ta erat ''exclu{{ls}}iva plurium, {{ls}}ed'' tantùm ''con{{ls}}titutiva nece{{ls}}{{ls}}ariorum ad conjugium requi{{ls}}itorum.'' Sicuti enim ad con{{ls}}titutionem ''herilis'' vel ''paternæ {{ls}}ocietatis {{ls}}ufficiunt duæ per{{ls}}onæ,'' quæ tamen ita {{ls}}unt comparatæ, ut herus po{{ls}}{{ls}}it habere plures {{ls}}ervos, & Pater plures liberos: ita ad con{{ls}}titutionem {{ls}}eu in{{ls}}titutionem conjugii duæ per{{ls}}onæ, maritus & uxor {{ls}}cilicet, {{ls}}unt nece{{ls}}{{ls}}ariæ, non tamen ita con{{ls}}titutæ, ut in po{{ls}}terum maritus non po{{ls}}{{ls}}it habere plura adjutoria. Nil enim amplius probatur, quàm quòd Deus tantum unicam adduxerit Adamo, non verò, quod Deus voluerit, etiam in po{{ls}}terum ita & non aliter debere fieri aut po{{ls}}{{ls}}e; quod in tertio & quarto momento autor {{ls}}ine ratione affirmat. Abundè quidem Adamo fuit pro{{ls}}pectum unâ uxore uno die ducendâ, quæ cum po{{ls}}tea Adamum illicò {{ls}}eduxi{{ls}}{{ls}}et, tantum odium certe ip{{ls}}i {{ls}}imul, præter opinionem quidem, dubio procul ingeneravit, ut plura eju{{ls}}modi adjutoria Diaboli non de{{ls}}ideraret. Cur Deus non autem plures Evas in principio creârit, cum maximè ad multiplicandum genus humanum hoc ip{{ls}}um facere potui{{ls}}{{ls}}et, partim jam diximus, partim dicemus, {{ls}}i cau{{ls}}am Anti-Polygamus prius nobis {{ls}}ignificarit, quare non in {{ls}}ingulis partibus & angulis terræ Adamos crearit. Deus voluit certè, ut ab uno {{ls}}anguine omnes provenirent homines, non ut Judæi tantùm ab Adamo, Gen. 2. gentiles verò ab alio Gen. 1. de{{ls}}cripto, cum reliquis animantibus creato ortum traherent, uti quidem {{ls}}omniavit ''I{{ls}}aacus Peyrerius,'' natione Gallus, quam ''Johannes Meffre{{ls}}otius'' in externâ Reformatorum communione vixi{{ls}}{{ls}}e refert, ''Mare{{ls}}ius'' à ''Belgii Hi{{ls}}panici proceribus'' ad palinodiam redactum te{{ls}}tatur. 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